assassination

[dire spoke]

ty

[vestal wren]

wasnt there a mount you could buy for those?

[arctic walrus]

Why spend 5 on getting an item when I can ride on my aquatic mount??

[spice surge]

Mb, yeah there are

[onyx rock]

I acually hope the Benthic Gear will get a Nerf. 420 Boots without a Socket sims 337 DPS higher then 450 Warforged Crit/Haste Boots without a Socket for me.

[spice surge]

If they nerf benthic boots we will just have to farm CoS for the boots instead

So i prefer benthic

[vestal wren]

the issue with benthic is that you can roll for sockets

[faint harness]

the only thing i would consider is keeping 50 pearls for the essnce

[vestal wren]

the effects are a bonus and its kind of hard to justify blizz adding dps effects there

[faint harness]

I dont get that tho, they finally make something extra than just simple items

and people scream nerf

same with the red punchcard from mechagon

relax ppl

[vestal wren]

well they beat (even without a socket) mythic itemlvl raid pieces

given ppl fish for sockets they are more powerfull then what you get in mythic

[faint harness]

the raid items have special procs too

[vestal wren]

this means you are maxed out in up to 5 slots and even have stronger gear
then from mythic before you even step in there

[faint harness]

the storm thing

[onyx rock]

Yes. Its a cool Item dont get me wrong but i dont wanna do the hardest content in the game for an item thats not as good as an item that everybody can get with manaperls.

[faint harness]

i dont do the hardest content to get good gear

the gear is merely a tool that enables killing the biggest bosses. Yea some ppl do it for loot but i'll never understand that

[vestal wren]

i mean its overall a bit wired

you can fill both trinket slots with the punchcard item and alchemy trinket and be fine (some classes even have that bis)

[faint harness]

the punchcard item is a early raiding thing, it will get outscaled by trinkets in mythic

[vestal wren]

so you essentially have the majority of slots filled with mythic itemlvl gear before even stepping in heroic

(if you spend enough time in the game)

shadow priest tl;dr: insec and punchcard up to mythic where the mythic trinkets break even

insec = alchemy trinket

[faint harness]

I know that they are incredibly strong for its ilvl

So BotE rank 3 beat Lucid rank 3 as major

still

[chilly marsh]

blizzards fault for making main stats a joke sicne legion

agi is my 5° best stat

only above oH dmg FOR NOW

[faint harness]

agi was the best stat earlier in BFA

i thought that was boring personally

[mental obsidian]

"So BotE rank 3 beat Lucid rank 3 as major" ?????

[faint harness]

just equipping whatever has the highest ilvl

[chilly marsh]

i update my sims from yesterday with sockets:

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sQ8TDjDQanFBHrX6JaNDoh

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aYjqNx9rciFuL1MeojJjt4

[vestal wren]

i think its the firsti agree gear scaling is fucked up

[chilly marsh]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oLHvNqgY2ePzyuazXnGbmu

benthic beats mythci gear even with socket

[flint star]

How do you open with MA and punchcard trinket?

[vestal wren]

even without*

[faint harness]

@mental obsidian see sim above

[chilly marsh]

evne if mythic gear have socket sorry

[vestal wren]

socket value is flat, this means if it beats the gear without socket it ofc does the same with

[chilly marsh]

425+ socket >>> 445+ socket

yes

[vestal wren]

only with the effect tho

[blazing matrix]

arent the bracers like the biggest dmg upgrade

the one from the benthic

[faint harness]

boots are pretty good too

[chilly marsh]

did the sim just to confirm

[vestal wren]

it comes down to what you have in the slot, dropoptimizer has an option to sim it

[blazing matrix]

well i have leatherworking for boots and legs so

i am guessing i should get wrist belt

[chilly marsh]

i wish dropotimizer had a checkbox for sockets

[spice surge]

@flint star The punchcard cannot crit

And even if it could, MA and vendetta does not boost the damage on non-rogue specific abilities

So it would not get the extra crit from MA

[flint star]

That sucks.

[vestal wren]

i think i read that raidbots has an uption to dissable the effects of the gear

so

[arctic walrus]

It's implemented

[blazing matrix]

https://gyazo.com/9ab5bb2f3f0a034b7fe4d528d0aa2b38 , https://gyazo.com/ddc35b7459c9222249968855aa9b85d3 , https://gyazo.com/20164683851081d54b9322506ed22cda

i wonder which ones are best sims are very strange for me

[vestal wren]

socket value might be insane overall

[faint harness]

like none of those are the actual bis benthics

[vestal wren]

so even without the effect you probably beat mythic itemlvl items

wrists are

[faint harness]

you want the frost dmg wrists right

not the pufferfish ones

[chilly marsh]

i mean when mastery is 4.5 and agi is 2.8

something is wrong lol

[vestal wren]

pufferfish is close, i would not fish for frost if i got that

[faint harness]

[vestal wren]

better go for a other slot

[wise whale]

nice i have socket pufferfish

[faint harness]

i got both boots and belt with socket

just need bracers

[chilly marsh]

you need gloves

[faint harness]

Nahh

[chilly marsh]

1 in 6 and need to have socket

gj gambling

[vestal wren]

there are 5 slots

[faint harness]

you want the raid gloves for the storm buff

[chilly marsh]

gloves are insane good too

[faint harness]

pretty sure the raid version is better

no guaranteed sockets tho

[spice surge]

The belt is probably more worth it

[vestal wren]

^

[spice surge]

Or well, assumig you cant use both, maybe you can

[faint harness]

the gloves are dmg proc ye

belt is crit buff

[chilly marsh]

i need to sim belts didnt had time for it yet

[wise whale]

boots are crit buff

[chilly marsh]

but msut be good

[vestal wren]

so, how many targets and what sim duration should i use to compare specs using prio_rotation?

[faint harness]

we're talking raid items now Kotomokoto

at least i am

[wise whale]

ah sry

[chilly marsh]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aYjqNx9rciFuL1MeojJjt4

gloves is close

[chilly marsh]

not teh best in slot

[spice surge]

Theres nothing mentioning not being able to use both storm items tbh

[faint harness]

I assume you can use them all

[vapid scarab]

how many allies does worldvein sim with as default?

[faint harness]

3

[spice surge]

But if everybody has the +stat items similar to the belt

[vapid scarab]

how do I change that?

[spice surge]

We get around as much stat as a lurker with every vendetta

[faint harness]

I mean i assume the actual raid items with procs will be better than benthic

[spice surge]

Which is GIGA

[faint harness]

in the end

the only benthics surviving might be boots

and bracers

[vestal wren]

there should be an option for that too (from raidbots discord announcements)

[vapid scarab]

I'm not seeing it

[arctic walrus]

Did you scroll down

It's next to covenant uptime

[vapid scarab]

found it

default is 5

[vestal wren]

i do

[faint harness]

how big is the area

8 yards?

[rigid mango]

Yeah

[arctic walrus]

prio_rotation is only good on 4+ yea?

[vapid scarab]

yeah, r3 increases that by 50% tho

so r3 is 12 yrds

[faint harness]

i loathe procs where you have to stand within an area to get the buff benefits

[vapid scarab]

12 yrds is like just out of melee range as well

but i mean, you aren't doing damage anyway if you aren't in melee as a rogue so

[vestal wren]

🤔 i did something wrong, i even put in 2x ttk
(8 targets 4 min)
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2SRstTXRujNdKGTLvGwiKW/simc

[arctic walrus]

[vapid scarab]

would be really annoying on a fight like ghuun where everyone is spread all around the boss

[rigid mango]

Mythic behemoth has that

[vapid scarab]

yeah so world vein is probably rip there

[rigid mango]

Can't be within X range of one another

[faint harness]

just reading some abilities later on in EP there's a bunch of area denial/spread mechanics which should technically devalue the islands essence a lot

[vapid scarab]

good because it's boring as hell

[vernal fern]

do i have to change weapon enchants when i switch from m+ to raid ? and what should i use ? I guess 1x force multiplier

[faint harness]

like GL using that essence on azshara

[arctic walrus]

Can you do a shoter duration to maybe represent an add wave? idk @vestal wren

[faint harness]

its my lucky day bruvs

[vestal wren]

@arctic walrus sure

letme dissable bl, etc too

[crystal pilot]

has anyone been having lucid dreams cause finishers to not cost combo points?

i've been running into a lot of times where i 5 cp envenom and still have 5 cp

[vapid scarab]

you probably got parried/dodged

[crystal pilot]

can trash mobs in mecha parry/dodge?

[faint harness]

anything can parry and dodge

[vapid scarab]

everything in the game can if you hit it from the front

[crystal pilot]

can honestly say i dont think i've ever seen anything parry/dodge until i socketed lucid dreams r2

[faint harness]

just RNG stuff mate

[vestal wren]

40 sec sim without raid buffs if i did no mistake
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4YiV5Sz1KEPfRWFkxS9ctA/simc

[faint harness]

is assa that bad prio

seemsweirdman

[arctic walrus]

I mean it makes sense prio wise

Have to spend gcds spreading bleeds

[vestal wren]

it makes sense if you look at it in context

outlaw gets aoe -> st by default

and subtlety esp. with tornado too

[arctic walrus]

Assassination's the only spec that has to actively swap targets to aoe

Neither of the other 2 have to

[vestal wren]

its interessting that assassination is doing more overall dps with prio rotation in 40 sec sim

[faint harness]

with 3 TTKs?

[vestal wren]

i put in 2 ttk

[mental obsidian]

what about 3ttk in ST

[vestal wren]

?

what combination should i try

the above is with 2 ttk 2 eb 2 ss

[fathom wyvern]

so i have the crit increase boots, is it worth going all in on upgrading them already?

[arctic walrus]

Get the others imo

[fathom wyvern]

they are better?

[arctic walrus]

Boots give flat 2/3% (forgot which one) while the others have dmg that scales with ilvl

[faint harness]

you'll upgrade em all eventually anyway

[vapid scarab]

just having the boots is not even what you want

you want sockets

[fathom wyvern]

got a socket in the boots

[charred moat]

i just got the boot with the socket and thought might aswell put it up to 425

[faint harness]

Use alts to fish sockets

[vestal wren]

i just did this 😛
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6gsapCYv11wCW1N8UMvnNr/simc

[arctic walrus]

So dropping ttk helps with prio

[lime temple]

Anyone know when to use lucid dreams major? Or should I only be using it as a minor

[faint harness]

Well that seems fucked

[vapid scarab]

@lime temple

[mental obsidian]

how can i sim the mecha tinket?

for yellow cards

i got a bunch

[vestal wren]

probably need to put in the id's by hand

not sure if there is a better option, probably worth to ask in simc or raidbots discord

[vapid scarab]

i would just look at your stat weights and go with the 2 highest

[marble hemlock]

do you have a direct link to the last 2 ones you did fuu?

[vestal wren]

what you could also do is just sim the trinket without yellow card and then just do stat overwrites for your ones

links are there

[marble hemlock]

thanks

thought it was only screens 😄

[vestal wren]

na, i tent to link sims so ppl can say: fuck this sims not playing right

[fathom wyvern]

but if i have the crit boots with a socket i should upgrade right?

[vestal wren]

sure, there is no harm doing that

[lime temple]

@vapid scarab where

[charred moat]

i see people simming like 6k higher than me, im guessing the minor essence makes a big difference

[marble hemlock]

hmye, seems about right that ttk doesnt do much in that situation, its 6envenoms over 40seconds, the SS probably has more value in that one then

[rapid aurora]

hey guys which benthics glove are the best ?

[blazing matrix]

poen's deepsea grips @rapid aurora

[inner leaf]

need to win pvp island expedition for htat essence

this is so bs lol

[wise whale]

i cant even pay ppl to win me one

[inner leaf]

i keep meeting this druid/sham/priest

who keep winning no matter what

lol

[chilly marsh]

do it : tank/dps healer rogue

[vestal wren]

simming 6 mins makes ttk about equal for prio damage with the prio setting

[chilly marsh]

if enemy come to fight elt tanke healer buying time adn go sneak pickign azerite

[rigid mango]

Equal to outlaw?

[chilly marsh]

if you're losing do tank heal slow enemy team

[vestal wren]

2ttk 2 ss 2eb about equal to 3ss 3 eb

[chilly marsh]

got the 50 win achieve doign it

easy

[rigid mango]

Lol

[vestal wren]

outlaw and sub blast sin away in prio damage going from sims

[rigid mango]

I feel it's weird, because I can feel a sizeable diff playing 3ttk

[vestal wren]

i could do 3 ttk + 3 eb?

[rigid mango]

No

That would never happen

3 ttk 2 eb 1 ss

[vestal wren]

kk moment letme check that

[rigid mango]

Is probably go to next season

No SS wont happen, probably

Unless shit really gets shifted

[vestal wren]

3 ttk 1 ss 2 eb is still behind
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rbYEia7ynq7toWH3R9PnUM/simc

[rigid mango]

I'm actually a bit confused about it

[spice surge]

Behind compared to what fuu, not using eb?

[rigid mango]

Have you tried w deeper?

[vestal wren]

3ss 3eb

[rigid mango]

Since deeper looks like a possible play next season

[vestal wren]

or outlaw/sub

[spice surge]

Hmmmm

[vestal wren]

in terms of prio damage

[rigid mango]

Try deeper

[blazing matrix]

so the gloves are bad bcs its either heal or deal dmg, a friend of mine tested it and told me they always heal bcs u always hit allies instead of the enemy

[cosmic pier]

how long is that sim?

[muted cove]

Do you guys think that Lurkers will be phased out once people start getting mythic trinkets?

[vestal wren]

40 secs

[vapid scarab]

@blazing matrix it's a projectile that goes out, it's garbage as ranged but melee it should be fine

[vestal wren]

interessting, is there a good alternative for hands?

[blazing matrix]

yes fuu they are

its seems so that in boss fight the droplets always hit allies

and heal

[vestal wren]

sim might not consider that

[blazing matrix]

yes they dont

a friend of mine confirmed it

hope no one wasted anything on them

[vapid scarab]

is your friend a ranged player

[blazing matrix]

he tested both perspectives

[cosmic pier]

also any actual proof, clip or someting?

[vestal wren]

well hence they are the only dps hands, its 🤷

[mental obsidian]

actually cant sim all gems/enchants with a shitty premium raidbots acc

[blazing matrix]

no clip but he is friend of mine u can test it yourself

[mental obsidian]

at once

[blazing matrix]

but i guess they are the best if u get them with gem

there is a chance u hit the enemy its just small

[vestal wren]

you could potentially in advanced

well, hence there are no alternative ones to them they remain the best pick effect wise

[vapid scarab]

probably just the lowest on the list to fish for

only if you have everything else already socketed

[vestal wren]

or if you have a bad piece in the slot

[vapid scarab]

but they were like that even before to so 🤷

[blazing matrix]

i wonder if the pufferfish can miss

the wrist sims almost same as the bis one but who knows

[vapid scarab]

it's a timer so yeah if the mob moves out of it

[vestal wren]

@rigid mango with deeper.
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jWGMsUfZmwKE5FuLhDqaQX/simc

[marble hemlock]

its mostly an issue of the apl prioritizing dot-refreshes. i think esp the early vanish into 3garrote on targets 4+5+6 makes it fall behind on sustain at around the 20second mark, which is where the prio falls off s ubstantially for the ttk version

[blazing matrix]

@marble hemlock is this about m+?

[marble hemlock]

kinda busy rn, but its definitly a great start to get a better look at different traits and how they affect overall and prio damage. gonna have a closer look at it at a later point

[blazing matrix]

are u talking about m+ tho

[marble hemlock]

im talking about the prio-damage sims fuu is running right now

so that would obviously be m+, yeah

[ruby idol]

Just play outlaw

[marble hemlock]

dont dad.... just dont :p

[vestal wren]

*subtlety

[ruby idol]

How do i sim assa prio apl?

What do i put in the custom apl window

[marble hemlock]

check tc-updates

[ruby idol]

Mmk

[vestal wren]

priority_rotation=1

just like subtlety prio rotation aka zul mode

[ruby idol]

Does the apl change how many dots it applies if lucid minor is active?

[vestal wren]

the sims are with essences

[cosmic pier]

rip shuriken combo

[marble hemlock]

its iris/visions i think in the ones you linked earlier

but you can just exchange it for any other essence im sure

[vestal wren]

i took the dungeon profiles from simulationcraft

and ofc changed azerite traits accordingly for assassination

(and also dissabled bloodlust and raid buffs)

[ruby idol]

What i was trying to ask was if the apl is overpriortizing bleeds on secondary targets with lucid minor since less are needed to maintain energy, no?

[vestal wren]

essences are:
iris major
lucid & purification minor

[marble hemlock]

i think the biggest issue is that instead of preparing a good energy sustain and then being able to pump prio for 15+sec straight to get the best value out of our CDs, it instead refreshes bleeds mid-cd

@ruby idol i think it just refreshes bleeds whenever the energy is dipping below a certain amount

so with the energy refunds in mind, that just happens less frequently alltogether

[crisp steppe]

is it even using FoK?

[marble hemlock]

ye, exclusively

[ruby idol]

Hm, ya simming assa prio is tricky i guess cause there are rules but there are also exceptions as youre playing around tb windows

[crisp steppe]

ok I thought it mentioned in tc updates its using mutilate for prio

[vestal wren]

its actually a good question if lucid is considered in the change

i havent looked at the actual apl changes

[marble hemlock]

its also running very low crit

and high haste

25% crit/22% haste

[ruby idol]

With lucid minor you go into vendetta tb after just 1 rupture right?

[marble hemlock]

gonna insert my own gear later, probably gonna be quite the difference 😄

[vestal wren]

priority_rotation=1 is whitelisted so you can use it in any of raidbots sim categories

[ruby idol]

And yes tc updates says fok is only used as a posion applicator on secondary targets with bleeds on them

Otherwise it muts

[crisp steppe]

well the sims fuu did is using fok at least

[ruby idol]

Weird ok

[spice surge]

Because it has eb

Koji said EB apl is different

It still not a prio gain to use fok, even with multiple EB

[ruby idol]

So is it conflicted in what its trying to accomplish then?

[vestal wren]

so, i probably need to drop eb 🤔

[spice surge]

Not really, since EB is what people would be using in the scenario we are trying to simulate

[crisp steppe]

yeah

most likely at least.

if there is a true prio dmg boss where you dont want dmg on the adds you play sub

[vestal wren]

yes the issue is fok (just like storm) is hitting like wet noodles

[ruby idol]

But if the goal is to do prio dmg, then eb shouldnt really be taken into account right?

[crisp steppe]

but yeah for most scenarios EB is what you'd use

[ruby idol]

Like its there it does dmg, but should still follow whatever the prio apl is

[crisp steppe]

I disagree with that Dad. theres simply not much point in doing so

[vestal wren]

sim is also on a high target count (8) so migth be that

[ruby idol]

Not much point in doing what?

[crisp steppe]

going for pure prio damage as assassination. when we already know you can just play sub if thats what you're looking for

[ruby idol]

Simming to try to find the best apl to do the highest prio dmg? Isnt that the entire point

[marble hemlock]

well, the goal should obviously be to find the soft-spot where the prio gain from higher cp generation fok has on multitarget exceeds the higher damage-per-execute on the priotarget that mutilate gets

[ruby idol]

Ya were talking about optimizing a sim tho, not what the absolute best gameplay decision is

[vestal wren]

i mean both is connected 😉

[crisp steppe]

yeah if your goal is to sim for the sake of simming rather than informing your gameplay decisions

[ruby idol]

And then using a combination of aoe sims and prio sims to find the best ganeplay decision in any given situation

Youre thinking too small my dude

[marble hemlock]

this looks... very messy

[ruby idol]

Lmao

Wut is THIS

No man

[marble hemlock]

lets try with the new apl

[ruby idol]

Ok i believe

[vestal wren]

lower target counts make stuff closer (40 secs 5 targets)
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mG9oGbMyNrEnPCLzq5irV3/simc

[meager heath]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[vestal wren]

5 targets make outlaw below sin

[ruby idol]

What traits are used in assa prio

[vestal wren]

3 ttk 1 ss 2 eb

[ruby idol]

So 3ss outperforming 3ttk on prio

[vestal wren]

yes

[ruby idol]

Means the apl isnt there yet, theres no way

[marble hemlock]

its interesting to see and check though what the main-culprit is

from what ive seen from fuus sims, its mostly the constant bleed-refreshing during CDs

which is exacerbated by the early vanish into 3xgarrote after no more than 4GCDs

so most of the early sustain comes from garrote, which then all fall off at roughly the same time, creating a situation where a lot of time is spent on sustaining energy instead of actually prio-dpsing. would also explain the high value on SS on prio

[ruby idol]

Vanish 3g shouldnt happen til tb window ends, correct?

[marble hemlock]

the question is how to avoid that happening in the apl by rewriting parts of it

nah

[vestal wren]

dont forget that the sim is quite short

so there could be side effects of that too

[marble hemlock]

yeah

having better results on longer sims makes sense

[cunning blaze]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[marble hemlock]

since the energy sustain is mostly done via ruptures in longer sims once its less vanish or rather garrote-heavy

[tepid ridge]

is mecha trinket good for sin?

still no sim on herodamage?

my sims looked aweful with him is this decently implemented in the APL ?

[vestal wren]

the punchcard trinket is op, the op card can be bought, i made a pin in #wow-general for it

[tepid ridge]

oh

my bad

[rigid mango]

If u change to

[tepid ridge]

rly sry

[rigid mango]

Nightly

On raidbots

It sims correctly iirc

[vestal wren]

^ yes, also always use nightly

[tepid ridge]

thanks for the tips 😃

not used to use nightly

[vestal wren]

you always should, and switch to weekly if there is a wired outcome
(but if thats the case we almost always will inform you in here)

[ruby idol]

Did koji say what trait/essence were used in the screenshot he linked in tcupdates

[vestal wren]

i think its without essences

[tepid ridge]

yeah you are totaly right

[ruby idol]

It has to be conflicting apls when prio and EB are both taken into account

[tepid ridge]

still alot to learn on wow TC 😃

[tall snow]

Hey, are you guys using the Subroutine Optimization red card? Is it good? Any other better?

My sims are telling me to use Lurkers and the Dice

D:

[vestal wren]

there is no reason to take anything not cyclonic blast in red slot atm

and its op, where to get it is pinned in #wow-general

[tall snow]

It's a quartermaster item there on Mechagon right?

Let me check.

[vestal wren]

its sold in mechagon, you need rep for it tho

[strong kernel]

what is our major and minor for HoA?

[solemn meadow]

Pins my friend

in the BFA Guide there is now an essence section

[strong kernel]

ty

[marble hemlock]

hmye, its like i said, you have these insane windows of no-envenoms in the middle of it

due to the 6garrote opener

[rigid mango]

How often do you do 6 garrote opener btw seli

[marble hemlock]

never

[rigid mango]

Hm ok I'm not a full pepega then

[marble hemlock]

the major issue is that its probably best way to sustain energy in the short-term, but isnt sustainable long-term, and thats what ultimately holds it back

since i basically play with the prio being the other way around. sustain energy first, and then go into prio-mode to get the best usage out of TB/Vendetta

[rigid mango]

There are no envs in that like

[marble hemlock]

but im not sure if youd be able to write an apl that runs the way i/we play

since it would have to be predictive basically

[rigid mango]

13 sec of no env

Sheesh

[marble hemlock]

like, the go-to opener is still g>g>g>r>fok>r>fok>vend>tb>env>fok>env etc.

that way you dont have to refresh any bleeds mid-vendetta or mid-tb

you pop lucid as you start dropping some energy from the garrotes running out at the end of vendetta

[rigid mango]

Yeah I mean I'm no longer shocked at the pisspoor prio we have

According to those sims

[marble hemlock]

its the best we have rn, its just a question of whether we can improve on it further

but yeah anyway, before lucid drops you can get to the 5r energy sustain and youve had a full vendetta with basically 8-10 envenoms within it

[amber sun]

are you still running with ds for m+ or back to vigor?

[marble hemlock]

yeah, very much liking ds

[amber sun]

have to try next time we run m+ currently everyone in our guild is preping for the raid difficult to get some ppl to do more then the 1 each week :/

[crimson condor]

ok i'm a bit overwhelmed by all the new gear - are you guys upgrading your 410 pieces from s2 with benthic gear and mech trinkets?

[rigid mango]

Just the 3 pieces

[little crow]

you guys think we will stick with high crit/mastery and echoing blades for m+ or more of a single target thing

[rigid mango]

First option

[inner leaf]

Lol I won that goddam pvp island expedishit

Need it for next week

For outlaw aoe

[stable yarrow]

Broke 37k sim with 3 NP / 3 DD

[arctic walrus]

What benthics do you have on

[ripe bramble]

Need to upgrade bracers and get gloves https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kFnKj8NSrN8QvjmXwQZoqg

[tall snow]

My sim: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wiDUtwL3oKm7oJr27XwsYD is not telling me to use any Echoing Blades trait. I've selected the Smart Sim, Dungeon Slice. Is this right?

[stable yarrow]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hRkrjhanxG6EXtv2omjoWW @arctic walrus

[tall snow]

I tought that talent was top tier for dungeons?

[little crow]

dungeon slice is kinda meh

[tall snow]

What sim method you guys using for dungeons?

[arctic walrus]

Imagine having a 425 dagger

[vestal wren]

its not perfect, but the best from the standard fight styles

[stable yarrow]

[vestal wren]

@marble hemlock so you would delay vanish untill after vendetta?

[marble hemlock]

definitely, ye

[strange python]

do you have to do a +15 next week or is 10 still the cap?

[marble hemlock]

basic opener on aoe g g g r fok r fok vend tb env -> fok/env spam

pop lucid as energy drops low close to the end of vendetta, keep spamming, then build ruptures during last ~8sec of lucid

[vestal wren]

did a slight "hack" for the sim
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dtCr8pcDhruMdhvZ4aZG3X/simc

it sims slightly higher in prio

[steel summit]

So outlaw is pretty much done for M+ and Sin is back on top?!

[marble hemlock]

mhye, looks a bit better already

theres still a lot of additional bleed refreshes/garrotes

i wonder what makes it garrote here

since we're already at full energy

[vestal wren]

could be pandemic

not sure tho

[marble hemlock]

nah, its a fresh garrote on enemy4

[vestal wren]

oh, right

[strange python]

do you have to do a +15 next week or is 10 still the cap?

[marble hemlock]

id also suggest running a higher crit gearset if possible

having low-crit leads to needing a lot more builders

[hoary latch]

I'm liking my exsanguinate with 3x suff, but toxic blade sims higher sigh

[vestal wren]

so, like this?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/f2CAoE4HVDoBwU8He1DTgf/simc

[hoary latch]

Anyone else run exsanguinate over toxic blade?

[civic palm]

Not if they want to do more damage.

[hoary latch]

😦

lol

[scenic nacelle]

Are we going for the crit pot or sticking to Agi. I'm aware crit pot removes us from stealth

[civic palm]

Crit, agi is poor.

Just fix your opener.

[cobalt gyro]

Just do the outlaw strat.

Pot > stealth > pull boss.

[civic palm]

Yarp.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

or just pot and drop stealth it's not the end of the world

You're not using Nightstalker you don't lose anything that matters that much.

[ripe bramble]

Is Unbridled Fury straight up inferior to Crit and Agi pots?

[civic palm]

Nope.

just SIM the three potions and see where they end up for you.

[simple prawn]

hey - just got back after a longer break (8.1.) guild talked me into gearing my rogue ... is there a quick wrapup for raidpreparation somewhere? i looked but didnt find infos on which pieces to aim for benthic wise and what to do and whatnot

[faint harness]

According to guildie the crit pot is only bugged for rogues

[rigid mango]

Pins.

Always. Check. Pins.

[arctic walrus]

How are people getting rank 3 lucid already

[tame cobalt]

farming rep

daily

[vapid scarab]

they did nazjatar every day?

[muted jacinth]

crit pot is bugged?

[steel summit]

Reefwalker bark + naga attack plans

[civic palm]

o _O

[steel summit]

M+ azurite is 3x EB And??

[civic palm]

It's not Season 3 yet so nothing is concrete.

[arctic walrus]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/88m4s4qtFTy95qfBX6asdo

Do i keep trying for ori's or just go with puffer

[mental obsidian]

worth to do intro of nazj for pearls?

anything else I could do more worth?

[arctic walrus]

I'm down 250 on bracers alone

intro is worth on alts for free 4 pieces

[blazing matrix]

i`ve spent 400 pearls still no bis bracer

[faint harness]

I dunno if my head is doing me one

[dire spoke]

How does your rogue sim nearly 2k more than mine

[faint harness]

but it feels like lucid rank 3 minor procs more often

than rank 2

[arctic walrus]

For some reason I'm simming higher than anybody and tbh idk why

[faint harness]

what do you sim?

[dire spoke]

35k

419

[rigid mango]

I've seen a 37k sim

[arctic walrus]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gZq8tLbHB9PsUmZSWWAbf8

this is without any bracers and 400 boots

[rigid mango]

So you're not above everyone

I've actually seen several come to think of it

[faint harness]

i sim 36 500 too

[dire spoke]

is ttk broken now

because I use 2 np

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bfy87MCA5nazjk5PUpW5B9

no offense tho, doesn't make sense I sim less

or I'm stupid

[arctic walrus]

4 sockets, flame minor

[dire spoke]

blood is that of a boost?

[civic palm]

Shouldn't be.

[fathom wyvern]

Why do we want frost dmg on wrist when its no dmg we deal, the stats?

[civic palm]

o _O

The DMG.

[dire spoke]

false info, my bad
The frost dmg wrists are no real dps gain in a real raid actually ... should be updated in pins

if an ally stands in the way you heal him

[civic palm]

Just, make a perfect circle.

ezpz

[dire spoke]

sure

just saying you should aim for boots and waist first

[civic palm]

ye

[fathom wyvern]

so i just want waist and boots?

[civic palm]

Waist is even, > _> , get the boots.

[dire spoke]

pretty much

I tried DS btw, simd 80 dps less than Vigor

[fathom wyvern]

i have both boots and waist with socket

[civic palm]

ok

[fathom wyvern]

guess i upgrade boots first then?

[mental obsidian]

the intro quest takes so long imo, how many pearls do u even get?

[civic palm]

o _O

[dire spoke]

@arctic walrus so you have 8 sockets vs my 4 - and you use blood vs my flame ... the only thing are your waist and legs which deal plain dmg

[vapid scarab]

@dire spoke you're incorrect there, the wrists always do dmg, the gloves heal and do dmg

so yes, you want wrists

[crystal barn]

i am randomly being broken out of stealth and i cant figure out why - this started happening an hour ago.......

[vapid scarab]

are you using BotE and creeping venom?

[harsh goblet]

uhhh

[dire spoke]

@vapid scarab they are different? wow my bad really

[harsh goblet]

is dribblign inkpod as insane as it reads?

dribbling*

[crystal barn]

BotE?

[vapid scarab]

blood of the enemy

[crystal barn]

what does it stand for

nope

using creeping venom tho

[strange python]

@crystal barn do you have worldvein in minor?

[crystal barn]

yes

is that the cause?

[strange python]

yeah it's bugged - switch to another minor

[crystal barn]

thank god - i though i was going crazy

[strange python]

you'll find it's probably knocking you out of stealth on the same timer as the lifeblood shard timer in the tooltip (18-25s)

[fathom wyvern]

if i upgrade the benthic armor now to 425 will the ilvl cap increase next reset on that item too?

[dire spoke]

it will unlock the possibility to increase the item

[fathom wyvern]

im kinda unsure of starting to blow my pearls yet in case its "too rushed"

[drifting cloud]

425 is the cap, what upgrade?

[meager nebula]

Benthic ilvl won't be increased

[dire spoke]

I heard they will be 430, no?

[drifting cloud]

that was early on ptr only

[meager nebula]

^

[blazing matrix]

so

[dire spoke]

oh whew

[meager nebula]

It was changed in a later build

[blazing matrix]

what item level will drop from next week's 6+ keys?

[meager nebula]

It's capped at 420 I think

[drifting cloud]

yeah should be 415 or 420

[fathom wyvern]

so benthic wont be able to be upgraded even after the ilvl increase?

[faint harness]

maybe azerite will

[dire spoke]

? I can upgrade it to 425

[meager nebula]

No

[serene sierra]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fKHAaamCfoSk79y6aEN85o

[meager nebula]

It's hard capped at 425 for non azerite

[serene sierra]

why this seem so low?

[meager nebula]

415 for Azerite

[lime temple]

Anyone know when to use Lucid dreams major? Cant find it in the pins. If its in the pins could you direct me?

[dire spoke]

@serene sierra you gear isn't optimal, just get better items

[arctic walrus]

2nd time I've seen "item upgraded" only to have it be avoidance

on Ori's

[harsh goblet]

if they actually capped dribbling inkpod at 10

PepeHands

[vestal wren]

its iterally in the first pin messiah

tl;dr: if you are energy starved

[harsh goblet]

@vestal wren right but where in the first pin

Kappa

[civic palm]

[harsh goblet]

FeelsBannedMan

[drifting cloud]

@serene sierra you have no essence in the sim lol

[serene sierra]

@dire spoke ok thanks, just seems like 50% decrease for 10 ilvl is crazy. ill keep chuggin!

[dire spoke]

essences are not provided by the armory, download simcraft (addon)

and use its copypasta instead

[vestal wren]

always the safe bet

[serene sierra]

oh ok tyty

[dire spoke]

imagine blizzard database is slower than some thirdparty project

[vestal wren]

i think there is a armory update planed

[civic palm]

Yeah was gonna say, this is just a formatting issue.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[vestal wren]

so, there might be the possibility that we dont need the simc addon in the near future

[civic palm]

and there ain't no reason for Blizzard to update the Armory to accommodate people that are just gonna use something else anyway.

Not rapidly anyway.

[vestal wren]

giving 3rd party sites more information is always nice

[civic palm]

Right but we're ahead of them at this point and there's no immediacy for them to catch up.

[faint harness]

do blizzard approve of simc

[civic palm]

Maybe it's a sign to them that a large overhaul is needed, anyway, offtopic.

Why wouldn't they? o _O

[faint harness]

it creates community perception

[vestal wren]

well blizz def. is aware of simc and its potential and issues

[faint harness]

they have talked bad about it before

that it lack scientific relevance

[vestal wren]

and 3rd party sites like bloodmallet/herodamage are quite nice for them too to have a look

[faint harness]

that their numbers behind doors is completely different to what simc finds

[spice surge]

Not completely different

[civic palm]

I mean, look at this Discord and the endless people asking seemingly dumb questions, those questions exist because there's an answer they want and the tools that exist fulfill that.

[spice surge]

They just look at more things that ST 5 min dps rankings

[faint harness]

i do remember the Q&A back in Legion

with class devs

and they took a shit on the TC community

[vestal wren]

blizz has iirc some ingame "simulation" tool

[solid nova]

How is this assassination related?

[civic palm]

We use numbers.

Duh.

[vestal wren]

richard is right, we are diving into #wow-general material

[dire spoke]

lol

[inner surge]

are those particularly mentioned benthic items mandatory for gearing for EP, or just optional?

or just depends on what sims higher 🤔

[vestal wren]

benthic gear is a nice boost to your power budget

the effects are good and even without socket those compete/beat mytic equivalents

[inner surge]

and should I already go for the max upgrade?

[lime temple]

is there an item to put a socket in benthic gear?

[dire spoke]

what?

[steel bison]

nah you have to roll a socket when you loot the item

[lime temple]

someone told me there is a 50 pearl item to put sockets in them

but i think he was trolling

[dire spoke]

they proc sockets and stats like avoidance like any drop, there is nothing more to do with pearls other than upgrading

[drifting cloud]

hello excuse me you can buy a mount at exalted

also you need 50 for lucid 3

[dire spoke]

I mean yeah, was talking about the items

[drifting cloud]

[marble hemlock]

@vestal wren what did you change for the more recent one?

since it still does the tb>garrote thingy

but runs at much higher prio-dps, almost 10% more

oh nvm, it doesnt anymore, instead goes 2xfok after tb 😄

should probably only tb at 4+

[vestal wren]

i reduced the garrote to be used on max 3 targets
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/f2CAoE4HVDoBwU8He1DTgf/simc

but i might broke sth

[vocal lion]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > mastery > vers >= haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.

[shy grove]

are the crit benthic boots worth taking over a shit benthic with a socket

[vapid scarab]

you would have to sim it

[shy grove]

its only 3% right?

3% crit damage

[vapid scarab]

yeah but

[daring atlas]

!essences

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[vapid scarab]

it's only 50 secondaries

so

sim it

[shy grove]

kk

ive been trying to roll those crti boots with a socket

im like 250 pearls in still no luck 😦

[dreamy plover]

What prepot should i use

[hidden plinth]

should i go for this sim build https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vuyHrWuoJ2LqN1NmHPUYbA or stay with bote major and lucid minor ... ?

[vapid turtle]

yes

that's the entire point

[rigid mango]

@dreamy plover unbridled fury

@hidden plinth if enough people have worldvein, yes

If not, no

[vapid scarab]

you simmed that with 5 allies also with worldvein

you can tweak it in raidbots settings

[rigid mango]

Worldvein is only better if others have it

[faint harness]

in the latest APL update BotE is the 3rd best major for sin

[vapid scarab]

It has been there the entire time

[faint harness]

no flames was better

[vapid scarab]

very marginally

[faint harness]

bote in major and lucid minor seems to be the play until you have rank 3 azshara essence

[rigid mango]

Aint it always been life > blood/flame

[vapid scarab]

yeah

[rigid mango]

I don't see how that's been changed then

[vapid scarab]

"yay blood is 3rd now"

[faint harness]

bloodmallet

[rigid mango]

Using bloodmallet

[faint harness]

I am 99% certain that blood of the enemy wasnt there before this apl update

[vapid scarab]

oh you mean the site that shows the exact same data as hero damage?

"yay blood is 3rd now"

that better?

[meager nebula]

didn't you know that the extra 50 dps on HD makes a difference

[rigid mango]

I mean blood n flame have been same thing

Since start

[faint harness]

Nein

[rigid mango]

Yay.

[vapid scarab]

yeah

[faint harness]

people in here were talking about how shit bote is

[civic palm]

Maybe the change to the correct tooltipping has confused people.

Who was claiming Blood was shit? O _O

wut

[rigid mango]

They've been within minor dps since the start

[faint harness]

yesterday

lots of ppl

[rigid mango]

It's meh until r3

At r3 it goodie tho

[faint harness]

i posted a sim with bote as major "why the fuk are you using bote"

[vapid scarab]

because it simmed higher

[rigid mango]

Sounds like s voicing their opinions

They've always been like that

[vapid scarab]

like, even just looking at the chart

[rigid mango]

Trust.

[vapid scarab]

blood 3 >lucid 2

[rigid mango]

It's been down to stats etc

[vapid scarab]

and we can't get guardian yet

so

[rigid mango]

It seems stat dependant since I see both being used

[faint harness]

yea theres no need to be all sassy about it 🙂

[rigid mango]

No need to say stuff without evidence of it being true

[vapid scarab]

I mean just weird for you to come in excited about something that's always been the case anyway

[rigid mango]

It's been blood/flame since start

[faint harness]

Okay, sorry for disturbing your peace master

[rigid mango]

I've been telling people it since the release of sims so idk

[faint harness]

I shall go back to watching pewdiepie now

[rigid mango]

Maybe your sims were diff?

[civic palm]

o o f

[vapid scarab]

even if they did change and blood was literally the bottom essence and went to 3rd, that doesn't mean anything because guardian and lucid are still above it

[rigid mango]

It's been flame/blood major + lucid before r3 life since we saw initial sims.

That simple

[scarlet sequoia]

whats the ideal number to sim worldvein at?

[rancid bobcat]

are the pufferfish bracers any good? got socketed of those twice

hmm, seem a bit behind

[meager nebula]

they are decent but not ideal

[rancid bobcat]

i guess i technically dont have anything else to spend pearls on

[vapid scarab]

@scarlet sequoia the same amount of people using it that you're doing content with

they're slightly behind ST but they go up as soon as there's a second target

but stuff can move out of the dmg so be careful

[scarlet sequoia]

yeah ok fk that essence seems stupid

[vapid scarab]

if you have a fight melee can just be stacked it's pretty bis for everyone

[fallen sapphire]

Guys can anyone tell me statistically what the best race is for pve dps? I've rolled a dark iron dwarf and I'm enjoying Fireblood and the 4% movement speed indoors, but I've seen Night Elf recommended as the top dps race to play, sometimes Void Elf, and sometimes Human.

My question is surrounding the Human racial - +2% more of all secondary stats. Can anyone tell me why NE or VE would actually be recommended over Humans? surely +2% more of all secondary stats beats out +1% haste in the night for NE or the proc that VE get? or am I not reading something right?

I know in the grand scheme of things it probably wont make a huge difference and a lot of players just sat play whatever, but surely +2% haste/crit/mastery/vers is pretty awesome?

[simple prawn]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[tepid ridge]

when we play with blood and MA in ST do we blood just after or before vanish?

[tall snow]

So I am trying to improve cleave dps for M+ trash pulls. I understand we try to stealth and do 3 G for starters on 3 different mobs. What after that? Rupture main target? FoK and Rupture? Lets say the pull has 4 mobs.

[tepid ridge]

I guess its off GCD right?

oh no it's on GCD 😢

I still don't get why should we use blood major over memory, is there any wrong sims on herodamage?

[spice surge]

?

Lucid is way higher than blood

[tepid ridge]

yeah but dunno

like the pinned message is a bit confusing for me

and I've seen many many high players farming blood and using it

maybe it's just preventive

[harsh sphinx]

the sim uses blood directly after the first envenom when i checked, but i remember @spice surge linking some sims that said otherwise, though that was a bit ago.

[tepid ridge]

that's wrong to use it this way right?

[faint harness]

Its because lucid gets way more value from its minor

while blood get more of its value from the major

so when you sim, its usually better to have blood in the major slot

[tepid ridge]

so major blood / minor lucid is kinda the way to go

[faint harness]

just compare blood/lucid minors

[tepid ridge]

my sim don't tell me this but I got poor rank on blood atm

[faint harness]

its only a thing with blood rank 3, i'm quite sure

[tepid ridge]

I should make gear compare so I'm dumbass ^^

[spice surge]

Blood is better than guardian before you get higher ranks of guardian

[tepid ridge]

I've seen many good parses aswell with blood major / lucid minor

[spice surge]

Sicne you can have blood r3 at raid opening

But you cant have guardian 3

[tepid ridge]

yeah obviously guardian is out for the early progress

wich is my case so

wich lockout can we get guardian 3? didn't seen any decent infos about it

[vapid scarab]

@fallen sapphire nelf gets shadowmeld which let's you get a restealth for more subterfuge garrote uptime. that said none of the races are that impactful for dps

[faint harness]

the PTR/preliminary numbers seem to be pointing at 2nd week

[tepid ridge]

hmmm kinda fast so

[faint harness]

IF heroic gives 6 of the item per boss

(the 3 bosses)

[tepid ridge]

I'll go for rank3 blood any way not much to do these 2 weeks

kinda painful to pvp for me but w/e

[fallen sapphire]

@vapid scarab thanks, I've just simmed and yeah there's basically 150 dps difference between the races

[meager nebula]

hero damage has a list of all the races dps for different fight styles

[narrow slate]

Is force multiplier work taking over Deadly or Quick?

[tepid ridge]

yeah just play what you like I guess @fallen sapphire

[meager nebula]

https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/races/ds-t23-assassination if you're interested in taking a look @fallen sapphire

[strange python]

when do we cast that mechagon trinket in the opener?

[stable plinth]

Garrote -> Mut -> Rupture -> Trinket

[deft nymph]

i thought you just use it with vendetta

can't you still use abilities during the channel?

[strange python]

you would probably much rather be mutilating in vendetta than casting the trinket

[deft nymph]

the trinket is off gcd

no?

[strange python]

it is but it still casts

[deft nymph]

and you can mutilate during the cast

[strange python]

its like a 1 second cast then a 2.5 second channel

[deft nymph]

or so i've been told, not quite revered yet

[nimble tartan]

theres a cast time where u cant do anything

[deft nymph]

would that not line up with the gcd of casting vend?

[nimble tartan]

then theres another cast where its actually doing damage where u can press gcd

[strange python]

you can do all you want during the channel but not the cast time

[nimble tartan]

it doesnt get increased by vendetta

[deft nymph]

i know but if there's no actual loss of ability-use during vendetta it'd be better to get it on cd quicker

[nimble tartan]

there is a loss

[deft nymph]

i really need to get revered so i can play around with it

[strange python]

i saw like 2 logs where people precast it during pull timer

[nimble tartan]

u gar mut rup trinket

vendetta

[strange python]

kk

[nimble tartan]

losing a gcd in vendetta is not good

so obviously u dont channel in vendetta

[vernal fern]

maybe using it after TB window is good?

[deft nymph]

but casting vendetta invokes a gcd no?

so if you vendetta/trinket the trinket cast is just during vendetta's gcd?

[strange python]

no

[nimble tartan]

its slightly longer than a gcd

[strange python]

1.2 seconds

[vapid scarab]

idk man at that point you're talking about wasting .2 sec of a vendetta

[spice surge]

Tbh it doesnt really matter much when you use it

[lone junco]

as long as you dont cap E and dont let bleeds drop and dont bork your vanish, even vendetta doesnt really matter

[spice surge]

Since its not affected by anything you use, it does the same damage whenever

[vapid scarab]

well yeah but during vend we're capped with lucid, so since it doesn't get afffected you'd rather use abilities that actually are while inside

[civic palm]

or you're not energy capped and you press the buttoooooooooooon.

[faint harness]

just use it before/after first rupture, its not rocket science and doesnt have to be

[vapid scarab]

but at the .2s mark, easiest to just macro it and forget

[lone junco]

sad day when it gets nerfed by 33%

but fun things get cut

[slim socket]

Soo this new crit potion is legit? Sims shows almost 800 dps difference between superior agi and crit one?

[white basalt]

800 overall dps or during the duration?

[strange python]

so for the people using pocket-sized computation device, when are you using the on use in the rotation

[faint harness]

scroll up just a few times

[strange python]

k thanks

[faint harness]

just discussed it

[slim socket]

overall

[white basalt]

Damm thats big, is it still bugged?

[slim socket]

tooltip on item says it give up to 20% but everytime i use it buff shows 5%

and fact that it removes stealth on use

seems pretty scuffed

[white basalt]

So then prob better to use superior agi unless they "fix" it tuesday?

[spice surge]

Unbridled is better than standard agi on ST

[slim socket]

yep

[distant mist]

Pot at 2s stealth profit

[slim socket]

370 more dps for me than superior

but still

crit pot seems broken

[vapid scarab]

or just don't drink the potion from stealth

pot stealth profit

[distant mist]

^

[wooden fog]

Just be stealthed, drink crit pot at 1 sec mutilate (has the MA) buff then garrote rupture to open

[distant mist]

I’m a sense you can still crit pot garrote mutilate and still bonus from ma

[wooden fog]

If you got ur timing down you can garrote before mutilate, but I play it safe and mutilate garrote rupture after, either way works

[zenith gust]

lurker goes before or after vendetta? i usually pop it before, but no reasoning behind it :p

[slim socket]

why not with? 😄

[zenith gust]

i mean in the macro

[distant lava]

doesn't matter, just make sure if you have the cancel aura in

that it's before the trinket

[slim socket]

dude u never cancel it

just blame healer

[distant lava]

I mean I was doing mekka so

[broken kettle]

Are there considered "default" professions for raiding that we grab? I got leatherworking, i was thinking Alchemy or Engineering

[distant lava]

not canceling it sometimes is yikes

[harsh sphinx]

can't pump if you're dead

[rose violet]

it takes like 2 hots to heal it

really not that much damage you take

[distant lava]

200k

is a lot

[rose violet]

its not

[distant lava]

specially when you take 80k or more in the last 10 secs

by itself its not

when you get bomb on mekka

you cancel it

[faint harness]

Lurkers on jaina

Always spicy

[rose violet]

you're not damaging while running out anyway

[arctic walrus]

He's not saying you should always cancel it

But if you're about to die, you need to have the button ready

[distant lava]

yeah w/e I'm done with taht dude, he just wants to be annoying

[full flame]

are any of the benethic effects worth using at 425? I have boot with crit damage and the belt with extra physical damage in an area. No idea how strong they are???

[broken kettle]

i hear bracers with frost damage are good too

[strange python]

@full flame belt with 2% damage to abberitions with socket, crit damage boots with socket, frost damage bracers socket

socket is a major key cuz they are worth like 40 ilvls

[pastel wasp]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[frail gate]

Ive spent 400 pearls on trying to get literally any of the fucking benthic pieces with a socket, and havent gotten 1

[lime temple]

Somewhat new to sin - is there a micro play to elaborate planning? Or is it something I should somewhat ignore

[vapid scarab]

basically ignore

in m+ you can space out your ruptures to maintain it but

very minor overall

[zenith gust]

on a raid boss do you delay TB to align it with vendetta, or just pop it on CD??

[distant lava]

use it on cd

it'll come back during the vendetta normally

[vapid scarab]

it's naturally going to fall into vendetta at some point

doesn't have to be at the very start

[zenith gust]

k thx

had to raid with my frost mage in BoD because of raid needs, and i'm probably going back to assa this tier. have forgotten a lot of stuff

[cloud seal]

Vim's belt seems OP af 😮

[rigid mango]

@zenith gust unless you know the fight is perfect 3/4/5 vend kill timers, then you press vemd on cd regardless

[dreamy plover]

on raidbots how do you sim other essenses that you dont have

[cobalt pelican]

probably going to upgrade my vims before bracers since i already got it socketed and i'm poor as shit on pearls

add the essence id and the level in the same format as the ones you have

azerite_essences_available=4:1/12:2/23:3/27:2 just change this on your simc string

23 is blood, 27 is lucid, 12 is flame whatever

[dreamy plover]

azerite_essences_available=4:2/6:1/12:2/15:1/23:2/27:2 - So how would i change this to worldvein rank 2 minor and cruciable of flame major

[tall snow]

Hello again, I asked this before but channels was kinda empty. Raidbots is not suggesting me any Echoing Blades on my azerite gear. Is this normal? Isn't Echoing Blades top tier for Dungeon (using Dungeonslice sim)?

[dreamy plover]

wrong bit

[zenith gust]

@rigid mango thx

[fallow cypress]

!Essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[cobalt pelican]

azerite_essences_available=4:2/12:2

is worldvein2/flame2

just put it into top gear and select which is minor and which is major

depends on what the alternatives are alex but it should suggest them to some degree i'd imagine

[stoic halo]

Anyone experiencing random stealth break?

[cobalt pelican]

everyone, i think

there's like 200 new things that randomly unstealth you despite you not even interacting with

[fallow cypress]

Cyclotronic Blast damage from the mechagon trinket isn't buffed by vendetta right?

[vapid scarab]

nope

vendetta only increases rogue abilities

[fallow cypress]

yah i figured, i didn't think an on-use would count as an ability but wanted to make sure. So definitely a dps loss to pop during vendetta

So use it after vendetta and Memory of Lucid Dreams then?

[zealous lily]

for ST do we use focused resolve, unbridled fury, or greater agi pot now?

i guess ic an sim and see

[frozen karma]

from what I read it was focused resolve for ST, greater agi for 2 targets

[zealous lily]

my sim says focused resolve

[plush crescent]

what essence should i be using for pure single target

[zealous lily]

yeah looks like that is the case

[plush crescent]

i can sim all essences? on raidbots i assume

[frozen karma]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[cobalt pelican]

focused resolve is in a state of uhh

[cobalt gyro]

I mean even if you can't, the ones you don't have are mostly irrelevant since you can't use them yet

Right now though it's blood and lucid being pretty good, would expect to see that sim well

[cobalt pelican]

it has several bugs and forces you to unstealth prepull, unbridled seems to be the safest bet but don't invest in a ton of any of them till we know if focused gets fixed

[hazy iron]

Does it really matter if focused resolve removes stealth? Our first MA window is purely for the mutilate and coming generation, which is easy enough given we have 3 seconds of the buff

[cobalt gyro]

Or you could pre pot, then stealth

[hazy iron]

Just mutilate - garrotte - rupture instead

[cobalt pelican]

you aren't going to be playing ma on every fight regardless

[hazy iron]

True I guess

[cobalt gyro]

Doesn't matter can still pre pot then stealth

[cobalt pelican]

and then there's the case of the pot being basically dysfunctional

[analog glade]

Cyclotronic squale with vendetta ?

[cobalt gyro]

Nope vendetta is rogue abilities only

[hard stump]

!pots

!potions

[clever ivy]

is it worth dropping 5 to 10 ilvl to get crit/mastery instead of haste/mastery on weapons? (m+ setup) on armor i would say definitely, but weapons?

[cobalt gyro]

Idk. Does it sim better?

[clever ivy]

sorry im refering to seliathan saying that its absolutley worth it dropping some ilvl for crit mastery stats for m+ .. and i can see that, was just wondering how it is about weapons.. simming for dungeon ist kinda meh, but im running it for sure.. (its gonna say get more haste, since my haste is super low for m+, so idk

[analog glade]

@cobalt gyro ty

[lone junco]

@tall snow dungeon slice doesnt take into account reaping. EB is good in big pulls with high crit.

[spice surge]

@clever ivy Mainhand never worth dropping ilvl, offhand is basicly like armor slots, the damage of it isnt relevant

[clever ivy]

ty @spice surge :)!

[vapid scarab]

@fallow cypress just macro it to vendetta and put the trinket first

the cast will occur during the GCD and you can continue using abilities during the channel

[obtuse solar]

Worldvein Resonance seems to be breaking stealth for me in Ass only

[jovial vault]

with rank 3 blood do we just hold it to line it up with vendetta everytime?

[zealous lily]

so with focused resolve you prepot, stealth, opener?

i'm buying some now so i guess i'll verify on a dummy

[vapid scarab]

yes

@jovial vault yes

[jovial vault]

kk

[wraith lance]

Lucid dreams or blood for pure st?

At similar ranks

[shy dust]

[wraith lance]

I did, at raidbots. but I don’t have access to simcraft atm and I’m impatient af

Raidbots doesn’t work with powers yet

[cobalt pelican]

raidbots uses simc and does work with essences

as a baseline if they're both 2 lucid major blood minor if they're both 3 blood major lucid minor, but this is VERY general

and not really useful information

[wraith lance]

You sure? Cause there was a gigantic text saying they didn’t work with essences and you should use simcrafts own client to sim esscence

[cobalt pelican]

raidbots is just an interface for simc, more or less

[shy dust]

It says they don’t work when you Load from armory

If you download the simc addon and copy and paste the text

Top gear will sim it perfectly fine

[wraith lance]

Ok, ty!

[stone crescent]

Should I trust the Sim stat weights? Not sure if haste is still good even with lucid on

[shy dust]

Use top gear over stat weights

[strange python]

do you guys know if residuum is gonna scale in the weekly chest or just ap?

[ancient onyx]

so basically we need to stock up on shit ton of crit potions then right?

i got like 400 agi pots and that could have been a mistake lol

[cobalt pelican]

buying bulk of any pot right now is probably not a good idea

[ancient onyx]

i crafted em

[cobalt pelican]

eh, same thing functionally

make enough for what you need and no more

prices are bound to slowly die as the last flying acquirers trickle in and then there'll probably be some changes to how the crit pot works since it's buggy anyway

[ivory light]

Is double dose build still good for cleave fights or should i change to outlaw or maybe m+ build for aoe/cleave fights?

[strange python]

Ss/subt will do more damage

But if the other thing you're hitting isn't important, it is just pad

[distant mist]

Ss double dose 1 np or maybe even ttk if you need to kill certain things faster

Really all depends on how the boss encounters will play out

[shy dust]

@cobalt pelican what’s buggy about it?