assassination

[inner tree]

most people run 3 DD 2NP TTK or 3DD 1NP 1BBI 1 TTK

pretty hard to find enough logs with 3 DD 3NP to compare

[fleet whale]

https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/essences/1t-t23-assassination

[drifting cloud]

Because nobody takes np if they have gorakthuls

[fleet whale]

vison major is below 5 other majors

[stuck knoll]

It’s an annoying set up to get

And there’s better

[rigid mango]

Major includes minor

tho

so

If there was a dd np op chest

[fleet whale]

and look at minor on the list

[rigid mango]

that'd be BiS

but there aint, so cepha it is

[inner tree]

spymaster have it

[rigid mango]

Nope

not OP

OP makes teh diff

[arctic walrus]

Is there a way to see how much ttk contributed to env dmg

[inner tree]

oh ok OP like that

[rigid mango]

both spymasters and mekka chest are dd np but no OP

Doing the maths I suppose? @arctic walrus

It's aids for sure

[inner tree]

i feel like bbi make ttk stronger

[rigid mango]

Crit is good yes

[inner tree]

just simmed myself and 3 dd 3np is like 30 dps increase over 3dd 1 np 1 bbi 1 ttk

lol

[rigid mango]

Is that with lucid major slotted?

[fleet whale]

i'm kind of surprised how bad unbound force minor is. I guess it either takes too long to stack up or completely screws stat weights

[inner tree]

yep

[rigid mango]

Then that's not going to be too accurate

since lucid major hates haste

If you sim it w smth else r3 major and lucid minor, the OP's might still carry enouigh

[inner tree]

gonna try that

[rigid mango]

idk tho

[inner tree]

but pretty sure i simmed it already way before essences and it was pretty similar

[rigid mango]

Np scales well w mastery

[arctic walrus]

There's virtually no exclusively patchwork boss

and NP probably starts to fall off then

imo

[rigid mango]

I mean, not really?

[stuck knoll]

While not patchwerk there looked to be a few more ST bosses

[rigid mango]

You'll always need boss damage

And NP is some good shit

[arctic walrus]

Tru

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/urpzD4FmFVnZ11fegQ9UK6

Wasn't better for me

[inner tree]

my man a fucking jewelry

wtf

[rigid mango]

Wait

hm

If it's not out simming bbi with lurkers + gemming mastery + well optimised sim

I'd be amazed to see it doing it atm

ever

[inner tree]

when i simmed with lucid major it put versa and crit way above mastery

feelsweird gemming versa

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gVM4XmF93WNmToYc1TdnqF

here u go

with blood and lucid rank 3

[arctic walrus]

Lucid or flame?

[inner tree]

fk i trolled

[rigid mango]

Aye

[arctic walrus]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7PiFQtM6CzufjfMaTfjpjJ

My stat weights yet top gear thinks I shouldn't gem any vers

[rigid mango]

Ignore stat weights

That's what I always do anyways

[inner tree]

yea got that too

[rigid mango]

Fuck that shite, top gear takes more into concern I feel like

[inner tree]

but i had like 0 versa on my gear

[rigid mango]

Ah

cyclotronic

probs

[inner tree]

true

[rigid mango]

Scales giga w vers

[dark crag]

I could reach like 18% versa

[rigid mango]

Zoinks

[inner tree]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kgsEv8aGB9wFbLj4W7q1cE

[dark crag]

425 socket jadefire ring

[inner tree]

jesus

[rigid mango]

hm

I suppose that makes sense

so what's making your sim value Np>bbi whilst vel's is np<bbi

[inner tree]

weird cause he must have a lot more mastery than i do too

also i think np damage is heavily influenced by the fight length

if you get a clean 5mn fight with 3 vendetta

[rigid mango]

Yeah obv

[inner tree]

that's cool

[rigid mango]

if u get clean

6.20 kill

with perfect 4 vend

It's quite nutty

[dark crag]

Time to get rb premium, all these gem, enchants, traits, talents and essence combis add up fast

[inner tree]

in my sim i put blood major too

[rigid mango]

5 bucks a month is fuckall for premium

[inner tree]

maybe that

with the crit from blood major

np can skyrocket i guess

[vapid scarab]

Just mooch raidbots sub from a guildy

[arctic walrus]

Going off memory but I think I'm at 43% mastery

19% haste

and 23% crit

<1% vers

[earnest bridge]

Hey guys, do you know which 8.2 potions will be used ?

[rigid mango]

Probably unbridled fury

[vestal carbon]

What minor trait should we be getting?

[arctic walrus]

Whatever sims best for you

[prime prism]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[carmine valve]

Is tanks gonna use Worldvein essence?

Asking cause having 3 melees beside tank is not always gonna work for me in m+

[rigid mango]

I'd find more tanks in #wow-general than in here my dude

[crisp steppe]

@carmine valve wouldn't worry to much about it. we'll see what happens. I don't think it'll be a very popular option to run untill people have 2 minor slots anyway

[green jetty]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[inner citrus]

when is it a good time to use cyclotronic?

[strange python]

Anyone have the list for BiS azerite gear from EP?

[tropic ocean]

no

[rigid mango]

in your opener, it looks like garrote > muti > cyclonic > rupture keep on going w opener

There isn't a BiS list for anything

[inner citrus]

im using sub thou..

[rigid mango]

Oh.

After your sub windo then

I pressume

[tropic ocean]

theres nothing but a theoritcal "bis" but as for now I don't think we know how good/bad new traits are

so can't know

[inner citrus]

so use it on cd i see

[rigid mango]

Use it fast, before vendetta

because it's not increased by vend

So you want it before then

[inner citrus]

oh right i see. thanks 😃

the damage is huge thou

[rigid mango]

mmhm

[tropic ocean]

@strange python current assumption is you will most likely use 1 np 3 dd for st and 1 or 2 of these new loyal traits (if they stack)

other than that probably gorak tul/cephalohide unless they nerf/buff traits

[inner citrus]

will cyclo be good in m+ thou?

[tropic ocean]

I doubt it will outvalue spy glass crit

[rigid mango]

It's only ST, so probs not

Stats are worth way more than raw dmg trinks/effects in m+

[inner citrus]

mm..so its just an ilvl pad for me till next week then

[rigid mango]

Or use in raid

It'll be good there

[inner citrus]

yea till we get 430 gear i suppose

[rigid mango]

Depends on how it scales

[inner citrus]

my replacement for it is just kul tiran cannonball thou

[rigid mango]

Yeah, that's horrid

[strange python]

@tropic ocean So SS won't be that good then?

[tropic ocean]

ss will still be good on encounters with multiple targets

[rigid mango]

For ST, no

[tropic ocean]

and depending on killtime ofc

[rigid mango]

but cleave, yues

just like now

[tropic ocean]

so probably in first few ids it wont be as good but once u kill the bosses fast it will be very good for st too

think the mark is +-3min

[strange python]

well I have the benthic gear so I have 1 DD, 2 SS, 1 SoB and 1 TTK

guess i'll just get it to 425

[inner citrus]

you'd want EB too for addfights and m+

[fresh abyss]

"guess i'll just get it to 425" all your pieces?

you realise it takes like 150+ pearls ea piece

[strange python]

no

the azerite pieces

not all my gear lol

[rigid mango]

EB isn't really that good for add fights either

Has to be A LOT of adds to make it good

[vapid scarab]

Why do you garrote immediately right after garroting?

[inner citrus]

so EB is only for m+?

@vapid scarab by the time you get to 2nd envenom, rupture has already fallen off right?

[round harbor]

to get max empowered garrote time

[arctic walrus]

Pandemic adds like an extra ~7 seconds

[rigid mango]

Pandemic my dude

[vapid scarab]

Ok that makes sense

And for the opener garrotes you don’t refresh at the normal time you wait until it’s completely run out and then do it again with vanish correct?

[rigid mango]

Yes

[inner citrus]

yes

[rigid mango]

You don't reapply non-snapshotted ontop of snapshotted ones

[inner citrus]

after that you let it run out completely and do normal garrote

btw, i usually delay my vendetta + toxic after garrote-rup-g-mut-env-garrote (4-5cp)- rup-mut(4-5cp)-vend +tb

or im doing it wrong?

[cobalt pelican]

the opener is in the guide

[vapid scarab]

You don’t gain anything by delaying that

[rigid mango]

The openers are the best

Follow them.

[inner citrus]

usually after the 2nd env during vendetta, rupture runs out :/

cant get the3rd env on the tb window

[vapid scarab]

So refresh it?

[rigid mango]

You should have it so that your tb windows aren't spent refreshing

If you used a rupture instead of env in tb

You just missplayed, and the only reason that happend

[arctic walrus]

refresh during tb bad

[rigid mango]

is because you missplayed before that

[arctic walrus]

refresh during vend is ok

[rigid mango]

Even if rup is outside of pandemic

but tb is up any second

And rup'll fall off during tb

you refresh early, and make tb clean

[inner citrus]

oh right. i see. will try that instead

[vapid scarab]

So then the opener what do you do

[rigid mango]

hm?

[vapid scarab]

You start with a 3cp rupture

[rigid mango]

Yeah

[vapid scarab]

Yeah so when do you refresh it

[rigid mango]

After tb?

[vapid scarab]

It will fall off during TB

Okay

[rigid mango]

It doesn't fall of during tb does it?

[vapid scarab]

I’m pretty sure but not 100%

[arctic walrus]

It doesn't pretty sure

[worldly iron]

no it doesn't

[rigid mango]

3 points it 16

[cobalt pelican]

a 3point rupture is 16 seconds

[rigid mango]

yeah

wtf are u on about dude

lol

[cobalt pelican]

you have 2 globals before tb so you'll probably have like 4 seconds left on rupture when your tb ends

which is fine

[vapid scarab]

Is it fine to lose 1-2s of rupture uptime if it means 1 extra env in tb?

[rigid mango]

If you play correctly, that should never happen

[cobalt pelican]

if you get to the point that those are your choices, yes

but just plan your tb windows in advance

[rigid mango]

litearlly the only thing hard about sin

is preplanning usage

That's all this spec is on ST

[vapid scarab]

I could probably make a WA that indicates if rupture is <10-12s and TB cd <4ish, refresh

[rigid mango]

I mean, the spec is quite low APM

there's not much to do

You should be able to see if that's going to happenm

[inner citrus]

2 new traits are a must take huh

[vapid scarab]

Still pretty new to the spec so why not

[rigid mango]

2 traits for what

[inner citrus]

loyal to the end

and something

[sour wasp]

hey guys, quit in 8.0 and just came back, do ruptures have to be full cp or it didnt matter in bfa?

[inner citrus]

for raiding

[rigid mango]

And something?

[arctic walrus]

Doesn't matter

[rigid mango]

They are linear in damage and time

[sour wasp]

so i can apply 2cp and 2cp ones right?

3cp*

[rigid mango]

4/5 are just more efficient

for PB

etc

[sour wasp]

gotcha

[arctic walrus]

But if it's gonna fall off just refresh

[rigid mango]

@inner citrus yeah, 1 trait

[sour wasp]

ok, so the uptime is more important than gettin higher pb chance?, right?

[rigid mango]

Idk about the 2nd one

Well

You always want it up

You shouldn't struggle with keeping the bleeds on it

[inner citrus]

hmmm..right2. thanks

[arctic walrus]

Your last resort is reapplying rup, you should avoid getting to that point in the first place

[celest swan]

u macro'd the cylco blast?

i cant cast in the "cast" only in the channel right?

so if i use it late in the gcd, i lose out

[inner citrus]

i did /use 13 or 14

[celest swan]

i mean wiht another ability or so

[inner citrus]

ur channeling it b4 it takes effect soooo

[arctic walrus]

On the gcd is it not

[carmine valve]

the dmg get increased by vendetta but Crucible of flame doesnt get dmg increased?

[sour wasp]

one more thing, should i always aim to get 2 envenoms out during tb? and try not to refresh bleeds in it?

@carmine valve vendetta increases rogue abilities dmg

[rigid mango]

Just like MA only increases rogue abilities' crit

not trinkets etc

[arctic walrus]

@sour wasp yea

[sour wasp]

@arctic walrus so i refresh rup early if it will fall during tb, right?

[warped shoal]

is someone using Mizeroks WA and can answering me a Question?

[solid nova]

Can always ask Mize himself

[rigid mango]

@civic palm

There u go

sooner or later he will respond, maybe

[strange python]

Should I slot machine the frost dmg one or just upgrade?

[warped shoal]

@rigid mango oh thx didnt know that ^^

[rigid mango]

All gucci

[fierce yew]

So when I sim dungeon slice it tells me that 425 invocation sims higher than 400 socketed dice, could that be correct? Asking since some here said to take that sim with a grain of salt

[vapid scarab]

@sour wasp with lucid minor you should honestly aim for 3

it's not even that difficult

[sour wasp]

@vapid scarab yeah well im only lvl 50 on my neck right now

😃

[vapid scarab]

you still get a major slot

[sour wasp]

yup, i have lucid major atm

[vapid scarab]

and lucid is currently the best major

major comes with minor

[sour wasp]

might get bote to sim them

[vapid scarab]

don't need to get it to sim it

[sour wasp]

cool

whats the optimal use of lucid atm?

[vapid scarab]

[crystal vault]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pLor6E5WbpvSYcEw1Lbfvh

this looks weird to me

[arctic walrus]

Looks pretty normal?

[celest mirage]

minor essence for island spam?

[vapid scarab]

Whatever sims higher?

[mental obsidian]

next week do we get more residum and ap?

cause season 3

[keen crest]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[crystal vault]

@arctic walrus 2 on use trinkets?

[vapid scarab]

Cyclo doesn’t trigger trinket cd

[mighty elm]

is fastest way to farm honor regular bgs? or epics

i dont wanna spend more time than needed in this hell

[karmic kite]

i assume regular if you can consistently win

[rigid mango]

@crystal vault it's counted as a gem instead of trinket

[arctic walrus]

Random bgs and if ur horde get Merc buff

[unreal perch]

any tips for winning a pvp island as sin?

[tropic ocean]

Collect more azerize faster than the enemies

[unreal perch]

well, you're not wrong

[kindred cedar]

what specc is best for that? outlaw?

just go with that 😄

[tropic ocean]

Spec wont really matter

Composition/rabbit charm

Thats it

[unreal perch]

I have no idea, I'll admit I don't do enough islands as is

[tropic ocean]

I had good result with sin tank heal

[unreal perch]

wait rabbit's charm?

[tropic ocean]

The item that makes u invisible to ninja boxes azeritr etc very fast

[unreal perch]

huh I never even thought of that

[tropic ocean]

Whenever its up buy as much as u can and send it per mail to alts

And collect from mailbox when u need it in weeks where its not uo

Up*

[unreal perch]

I mean to be fair after I get one win I'll never do pvp islands again

[tropic ocean]

🤷🏿‍♂️

Its good for mythic too

Or heroic

[unreal perch]

touche

I'll keep an eye out

[solemn meadow]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qCz6bfw4cR6RvuvY4kz5Mw

so the trinket

is now bis?

dont mind blood

[unreal perch]

the trinket is very good

[tropic ocean]

@solemn meadow as long as its unnerfed its very good y

[solemn meadow]

I mean

it now sims correctly

[spice surge]

Its gonna get outscaled pretty fast

[solemn meadow]

it simmed worse than kimbul 2 days ago

[spice surge]

But yes, for now its very good

It didnt seem very good because we were under the assumption it triggered the standard on-use cd, which it doesnt

[unreal perch]

I just realized I need to get my red card still

so thanks for the reminder

[solemn meadow]

np

[strange python]

Which cards should we be slotting in it for red? On use or flat stat increase

[unreal perch]

cyclonic on use right now

like it's a ton of damage

[strange python]

Awesome, thank you.

[arctic walrus]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eaKa1vDM1JXVbYTVZ6eSPV

Well this is surprising to say the least

#cyclotronicgang

[unreal perch]

seeing all these sims are reminding me how bad I need new weapons

[proud yarrow]

i see everyone sim cyc but when i sim it says its worse than my gala or dice

[unreal perch]

ya mines actually doing that too

[scarlet sequoia]

It’s because it’s you

[proud yarrow]

Dam

lol

[scarlet sequoia]

The truth hurts

[arctic walrus]

I need a new yellow though

[dark crag]

The amount of sockets is too high

[unreal perch]

i need a yellow too

[scarlet sequoia]

Just craft one mates

[unreal perch]

I haven't been super focused on gearing. haven't been trying to get sockets or craft a good yellow

[arctic walrus]

I'm waiting for Tuesday so cap goes up

[unreal perch]

I'm just hoping I have some weapon luck in mechagon on tuesday

[dark crag]

Since i have no benthic luck, i demand wf daggers first boss

[proven lance]

Question, I'm looking to swap from Outlaw to Assassination, is double dagger the way to go or can I get away with just a dagger in MH?

[dark crag]

You need 2 for muti

[unreal perch]

you have to run double daggers as assassin

as much as I hate it

it's like, the only spec in the game that can use literally only one type of weapon

[dark crag]

Subs kinda the same with stupid sht

[proven lance]

Ah bummer town, okay. I just recently rolled a Rogue... looks like I'm going to be staying Outlaw until I farm up some daggers. Mastery/Haste seem to be the stats to farm, yeah?

[unreal perch]

crit is important to get up too

one of those things you tend to wana sim for yourself

[proven lance]

Yeah I got plenty of crit atm. Just need to know if I should hang onto any viable mastery/haste gear - suppose I will and sim it later

yeah

Well, that gives me something to do D:

😄 * thanks

[unreal perch]

but ya the weapon thing irritates me. I don't play a lot lately so I only have a 365 and 370 dagger still...

I have to do more mythics

[proven lance]

Yeah I have a 400/395 sword... hence why I was hoping to hold onto one of them

But from what I can see, Assassination and Sub do significantly more dps

[unreal perch]

I think outlaw is doing fairly better than sub atm?

I could be wrong

[granite rampart]

everything’s doing fairly better than sub right now

[mild rover]

hey y'all - I haven't simmed the new enchants yet and was wondering if anyone has any insight on how good Force Multiplier will be for assassination.

[rigid mango]

One of them + another standard stat one is normally the best

[unreal perch]

still optimal to pop envenom if you hit 4 instead of going to 5 I imagine?

[rigid mango]

Yes, always finish on 4+

With deeper, 5+ ofc

[unreal perch]

just wanted to make sure, thanks

[exotic meadow]

anyone got a list of best punchcards for trinket

[rigid mango]

Cyclonic or it's garbage

That's pretty much it.

[exotic meadow]

lit thanks

[unreal perch]

the yellows are all just kinda stats aren't they?

[rigid mango]

Yeah I mean stats comes down to what you need

What you're simming high for, but the trinket is pretty bad without cyclonic

[unreal perch]

and blue is just utility stuff

[rigid mango]

yeah, 4fun stuff

Get a good yellow one and cyclonic and you're good

[unreal perch]

I still need to get the recipe to make yellows

not finding recycling groups though

[arctic walrus]

Make one

[unreal perch]

but it's so much easier to just complain about it! lol

more so I'm going for lunch soon anyways

[sand whale]

enable weather machine or wait until someones does, then farm like crazy

easy parts

[unreal perch]

idk how well I could farm that on my own, so I'd wana make a group for that

[sand whale]

that's what I'm saying, if you enable the weather machine they are all squishy

still better in a group ofc

[unreal perch]

oh duh

I've never used the weather machine so I had no idea. also I realized I need more EB

I apparently only have one..

[quaint sequoia]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[cinder palm]

Sup boys, when does M+ season start for grinding score? Next week or week after?

[tame cobalt]

why do sims exanguinate right before garrote ends? shouldnt i refresh garrote before exanguinate?

[hushed valley]

any particular time to be popping cyclotronic blast

[crisp steppe]

@cinder palm next week. you won't get full loot next week yet though but the new season has started.

not sure but probably before vendetta and when you're regaining energy

[hushed valley]

didnt see in pins

[cinder palm]

ok thx

[crisp steppe]

like you don't want to be overcapping energy still during the 1? second cast time it has

[hushed valley]

does it do more damage based on any stats or procs or just the higher ilvl yellow

[spice surge]

@tame cobalt Because garrote isnt the main reason exsang is used

You use it for rupture mostly

[crisp steppe]

I'm not sure how the damage is calculated. @hushed valley try sticking in a higher yellow card see if that chnages the tooltip or dmg at all

[spice surge]

But tbh you dont really use it at all, tb is better in every scenario atm

[tame cobalt]

Didnt know that one. For st it sims more for me as i dont have good azerites and im using 3 shrouded

[vestal wren]

#tc-updates we will finally be able to answer the most important question.
will ttk assassination beat subtlety

[slender smelt]

are we still stacking haste even with lucid on btw?

[tame cobalt]

And if i have galecaller and exang should i stack them or use both on cd? @spice surge

[vocal kelp]

3 shrouded is still good for st when paired with subt

[spice surge]

Both on cd

[white basalt]

i really like having at least 1 shrouded no matter what

[spice surge]

I dont like it at all

[white basalt]

i admit its just me being stubborn and being used to it

[spice surge]

Because i dont like rupture falling of during vendetta

During the opener

[white basalt]

eh

[hushed valley]

it seems vers at least increases dmg on cyclotron blast

[white basalt]

so you're saying with 1 shrouded you're using the 3 cp rupture and it falls off during vendetta, and u dont like that?

[fleet anchor]

Quick note here that I have finished the investigations into the priority rotation support for the Assassination APL. Details are in #tc-updates

@primal gazelle @sturdy python @marble hemlock

[strange python]

all this grinding has me feeling like

[past marten]

Guys, #feelycraft question here: Frost proc and pufferfish wrists sim quite close to each other on ST (Patchwerk), would you consider taking the pufferfish, as it has the upperhand on AoE, while having the issue of potential dps drops due to boss movement?

[crisp steppe]

I went with the pufferfish bracers. didn't feel like farming more bracers

all your points are correct. pufferfish will be better on some bosses while ori's are going to better on other bosses

[unreal perch]

From everything I've seen damage boosts benefit cyclotronic

[crisp steppe]

versatility should benefit it yeah

I don't think vendetta does

[unreal perch]

Rune of power for mage I know does

Not sure the exact wording on vendetta

[crisp steppe]

I will try vendetta in a couple mins then

[unreal perch]

Worth a shot

[crisp steppe]

I also don't think its supposed to work with rune of power at all, if thats the case

[tame cobalt]

With Deeper stratagem do i need to mutilate when at 4CP or do i finish at 4+?

[polar cape]

5+

[fleet anchor]

Vendetta is a whitelist

It doesn't affect non-Rogue abilities

[past marten]

^

or let's say: it shouldn't - you never know if the code spaghettis out

[crisp steppe]

does not work

[past marten]

does cyclotronic work on sims already?

[rigid mango]

Think so

[unreal perch]

Not sure it still shows as a damage drop for me lol

[jade minnow]

https://ctrlv.cz/3taE guys what are those volcanic things? i cant find it anywhere

[crisp steppe]

@jade minnow compendium of the highborne

inscription trinkets

[jade minnow]

thats a lot damage

[crisp steppe]

yeah its a strong trinket

costs maybe 5k to make

no harm trying it out

[sour wasp]

anybody know what the proc chance of lucid minor is?

[strange python]

!essences

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[flint star]

!Essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[sour wasp]

i might be an idiot, but it doesn't say the actual proc chance

[lone junco]

@fleet anchor seems like the major gain would be from St Env on prio Target instread of full tabbed rupture uptime. Right?

Once enough bleeds are out and poisons are up and E is high to pump vendetta tb and mut env spam into a single Target.

Seems reasonable.

[tropic ocean]

Why mut

For prio u build with fok

[fleet anchor]

Well, it's about 50/50

Half the gain comes from simply using Mutilate instead of Fok

[spice surge]

Even with EBs mut still more?

[fleet anchor]

Unless you need to reapply poisons

[spice surge]

Or what is the gearset you used

[fleet anchor]

FoK is terribly weak

[tropic ocean]

Idk what target count we are talking about but since guy said „once enough bleeds are out“ i assumed in an aoe scenario

[spice surge]

Check #tc-updates aus

[fleet anchor]

So about half the gain comes from using Envenom instead of more Ruptures/Garrotes once you reach an Energy saturation point

And the other half is just about only using FoK as infrequently as needed to keep poisons going

[marble hemlock]

yeah, the interesting part is basically how much prio we gain from using fok as the sole builder vs using fok only to maintain poisons

and then weighing that up vs the loss of aoe

[fleet anchor]

Yeah, honestly they should have buffed FoK a lot in BfA to adjust for the loss of the baseline PK traits

It's really super weak nowadays

[spice surge]

They did though, its EB

[marble hemlock]

yeah, echo carries it alot, and also applies some additional prio to the main-target due to overlapping echoes

[spice surge]

Which is why im curious because i dont see mut being better for prio if you're using ebs. Since fok does so much damage

[fleet anchor]

Yeah I mean EB is not terrible as an option, but baseline FoK is really much weaker than it should be realistically

We already put off using it until like 4-5 targets nowadays

[tropic ocean]

Ooooh

[fleet anchor]

And their goal for AoE rotational abilities has always been 3+

[tropic ocean]

so building with mut is higher prio than fok

Even though u might need 2gcd instead or one

[fleet anchor]

@spice surge I didn't specifically check the EB setup as to if that was better or worse, EB FoK logic was left alone since it was a different APL line

[spice surge]

Ah i c

[fleet anchor]

I'd have to look some more into that in terms of if it's a gain or not

[sour wasp]

oh wow, fok is terrible indeed

[fleet anchor]

For priority damage it looks like at lower target counts it may still be worth avoiding using FoK spam even with triple EB

I'm checking some target count numbers

[cobalt gyro]

i imagine building with fok can only be more prio damage if you're at enough targets that you're gaining 5 combo points for every fok

[tropic ocean]

4 or 5 no?

Like

If i mut and its non crit i need 1
More gcd

To get 4 at least

[fleet anchor]

@spice surge Prioritizing FoK even with triple EB looks like a loss even at like 7 targets for pure prio damage

[sour wasp]

damn

[fleet anchor]

It's not nearly as much as without EB

[tropic ocean]

well I guess in this scenario the prio gain over overall loss

Is not worth

[fleet anchor]

This is without EB:

[tropic ocean]

Its 1eb vs 0eb?

[fleet anchor]

3x

But anyway, that's definitely a tougher call

Lose a lot more AoE damage when running 3x EB to not use FoK aggressively

[spice surge]

Is asd the triple eb or what

[fleet anchor]

And the Prio gain is less

[spice surge]

I dont quite get the pics

[fleet anchor]

Yeah, wasn't meant to be overly well labeled 😄

But the asd in the top is putting in a priority_target limitation on the EB line as well

e.g. not using FoK every builder

So with triple EB you lose about 20k overall damage, gain 4k prio damage

With 0x EB you only lose like 3.5k overall damage and gain 6k prio damage

[spice surge]

Guess i was wrong then, mb

Still probably more worth to use fok for the aoe obv

But for pure prio

[fleet anchor]

It's a very tough call.. personally I'd say if you are running triple EB you probably should spam anyway because the tradeoff is pretty huge

But I'll update the APL to consider that for the prio option

That's also at 7 targets

At something like 4 targets the difference is a bit larger

[tropic ocean]

But thats the more interesting part actually

Like 3-5 targets

Obv with high target count fok>all

But 4k prio is big

Especially with nasty mobs

[fleet anchor]

At 4 targets even with 3x EB the difference is like 7k prio

[tropic ocean]

Yeah

Thats huge

[fleet anchor]

I'll toy with this a little bit more, might need to check the MA condition too

[tropic ocean]

Vanish re garrote as well

🤷🏿‍♂️

[chilly marsh]

in a big pull 10+ adds is there a threshold when Fok is better ?

[tropic ocean]

Better for what

For overall output iirc with 3eb its 4+?

[spice surge]

Its 2

for overall dmg

[deft shore]

@unreal perch run with “nightly sim” and not weekly. Nightly sim has correct damage, weekly has it at like 0 or something.

[fleet anchor]

For prio damage? Probably not. Maybe some extremely high amount where you can cap out on EB usage every time

At 10 targets it does start to become fairly small of a gap

about 2k

And lose about 40k overall 😛

I mean if you are running EB and have 10+ targets obviously you should be spamming FoK

😄

[unreal perch]

thanks for the heads up

[chilly marsh]

yeah kind of interesting sims you did kojiyama

some pull you just bring adds to boss

[lone junco]

Can we petition for scent to be large vers gain instead of agi. Thx.

[chilly marsh]

even bwonsamdi

we cold petition for agi not be my 5° best stats for rogue lol

its sad

[tropic ocean]

Petition to keep reaping

And double mob count

[chilly marsh]

keep reaping and make rupture aoe the dream

[deft nymph]

3rd EB + SoB + Heed vs 1st SS + NP + OP for keys

feels like the third EB might not be worth eh

[fleet anchor]

The unfortunate fact is that FoK being so weak is a big reason it's hard for us to actually have really meaningful ST gains from cleave anymore

Hard to keep poisons up while still funneling ST damage

[lone junco]

The most ruptures you can reaonably maintain is like 7-8. It just stinks that the gains from agi aren't that big.

[fleet anchor]

The bonus Energy mostly gets wasted

[tropic ocean]

@deft nymph heed not as good

To outvalue 2/3 op for st

[lone junco]

Yeah. That's always a key point on cleave Sims is the E cap.

[fleet anchor]

It does mean most of our AoE is "free"

[lone junco]

And without cooldown.

[chilly marsh]

i hate this legion bfa >> secundary stats meta

[lone junco]

Btw.

[fleet anchor]

But it's hard to actually exceed the ST priority damage in cleave scenarios

vs. just pure tunneling

[chilly marsh]

god agi is my 5° best stat

[fleet anchor]

At best we only gain a couple k

Which is unfortunate

[tropic ocean]

At least main stat somewhat has value for us

So be happy

Ask dk mage if they like mainstat 🤷🏿‍♂️

[lone junco]

I saw some weights yesterday with haste at 4.8 stat and agi at 2.4. That's bonkers.

[fleet anchor]

We can do pretty enhanced ST damage once we get up to enough targets, just not great at 2-3

Because FoK is just too terrible

Having to keep poisons up takes quite a lot of resource

[tropic ocean]

4.8 haste

Wtf

[honest needle]

do we really need to grind all ap world quest n stuff i play multiple toons. i mreally dont wanna grind all this ap to get 55 neck

Im only at 51

all my other toons are only 49-50

wrong chat sry

[tropic ocean]

you dont need to do anything

[chilly marsh]

Weapon DPS 14.29
Mastery 4.20
Critical Strike 3.60
Haste 3.59
Versatility 3.55
Agility 2.88
Off Hand Weapon DPS 1.58

[tropic ocean]

It comes down to what you want to achieve

[chilly marsh]

my sims

agi STINK

[sour wasp]

lmao scarf

[tropic ocean]

Thats no st sim

[sour wasp]

thats some scuffed shit there

[honest needle]

how much of a dps increase is the 55 minor trait over not having it ?

[chilly marsh]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/i4mehkjSJGXqKeKjB56Aoq

[tropic ocean]

Sim yourself to see it

[chilly marsh]

slots are like > 15 ilvl now

[honest needle]

i dont kno how to sim it if im not that curretn neck level

[tropic ocean]

Edit the input

[lone junco]

Raidbots gear compare may let you put in a minor essence without being 55 neck

[edgy pawn]

I got about 1.6k for getting the lucid minor at 55

[tropic ocean]

How is ur dps so low

And stat weights so crazy

[chilly marsh]

actually is there a way to sim how may ilvls exactly a socket is worth ?

[lone junco]

Sure.

[tropic ocean]

Edit the ilvl of the item manually is possible i think

[lone junco]

Gear compare. Duplicate an item. Then add the socket. Then duplicate it again. Dropping ilvl.

[tropic ocean]

For me same item 400 socket outsims 420 atm

[lone junco]

Until the socket with lower ilvl equals that without the socket.

[spice surge]

Depends on what slot it is

[lone junco]

Very easy in gear compare.

[chilly marsh]

yea 4.2 mastery 2.88 agi huge gap

[spice surge]

Rings and offhands sockets are worth upwards of 40+ ilvls

Pants its only worth like 10-15

[lone junco]

true Offhand weps ilvl isn't worth much.

[spice surge]

Since the total amount of stats are different based on their slot

[tropic ocean]

Boots in my case

[chilly marsh]

i could prob drop 3-5 ilvls for socket gear

[lone junco]

That's why my rogue ilvl was always kinda low. I ran like 9 sockets.

[chilly marsh]

need to sim it now

god agi really sucks for rogues...

ilvl dotn mean shit...

[lone junco]

Ilvl gives you more haste 😃

[tropic ocean]

I could wear 421

But wear 414 cuz 7 sockets carry

[lone junco]

but yeah. High Benthic with socket will show up all over.

you will see logs of people with sockets in every slot now.

[chilly marsh]

lol i rolled 40+ belts

never got a socket

im sad

[lone junco]

didnt try hard enough i guess

I got socket first try on back and leech 2nd time. I hope 3rd is leech socket.

[distant mist]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/r2XX5EY8pk8GcEnzKRDRvj

[chilly marsh]

true haha

[distant mist]

With the Mechagon trinket it’s higher

[chilly marsh]

really want taht 2% dmg on belts

[distant mist]

I got all Belts wrist with sockets

[spice surge]

Upgraded benthic gear without sockets

[deft nymph]

i got 420 socket belt now

[distant mist]

Yea that was like my day one oops lmao

[deft nymph]

and 385 socket boots

bracers soon™

[distant mist]

Oh that sim was like 4 days ago

My boots are 420 now

[chilly marsh]

i have 580 peals on my main

only using pearls from alts for rolls

gettign lazy of farming on alts...

[distant mist]

So is sim busted for gloves ?

Because the poens says it gives like 500 dps increase even over socketed gloves that aren’t poens

[chilly marsh]

is that a benthic glove ?

dont remmeber waht tehy do

[distant mist]

Benthic gloves

They have a chance to do frost damage or something like that

[vestal wren]

the effect is enabled by default thats why

effect + socket is the dream

[distant mist]

Oh ya

Guess I’ll get my gloves next socketed

Can I just go back in time an stop dumb me from upgrading stuff before I realize they could socket

[vestal wren]

also dont forget you can send pieces from your alt to main

[distant mist]

Ya I found that out... after I got my boots

[chilly marsh]

im starting to think that raid gear will not be that good

with benthics + socket

[lone junco]

im starting to think that wow will not be that good

[chilly marsh]

only mythic

lets say benthic effect is worh 5 ilvls

[sour wasp]

is poens that strong?

[chilly marsh]

a 420 benthic + sockt

[sour wasp]

i mean the effect itself

[chilly marsh]

socket +- 10-15 ilvls

a benthic 420 with a good effect + socket is +- = 440 gear

[lone junco]

but there will be raid gear with sockets.

[chilly marsh]

i could be wrong

sure

but benthic you can far way easier

440+ only mythic once a week

if you want to min-max your farm

benthic looks way better

[cobalt pelican]

i don't have enough alts to pearl farm my way to victory

ah..

[lone junco]

its nice cause you can send daily quest gear to your main to try and proc sockets

[chilly marsh]

yes

its what im doing

[lone junco]

and other way around, when you have a socket, just send the shit backwards to alt

[chilly marsh]

have near 600 on main

and farmign alts

[cobalt pelican]

jeez..

what even is there to do for pearl farming

trees algans and rares with flying/

[deft nymph]

just get flying 4Head

[past marten]

If you can trust the sim, Benthic 425 boots + socket are better than 460 boots + socket

[sour wasp]

wait, pearls are account wide?

[cobalt pelican]

the pearls themselves aren't but you can send bought tokens i think

i simmed wrists and honestly they don't seem insane enough to warrant me going out of my way to farm 1k pearls

[chilly marsh]

benthic look WAY overpowered

[past marten]

And the sim for Benthic Boots isn't so hard to calculate, it's a flat increase for crit damage

[cobalt pelican]

though how accurate that is idk

[chilly marsh]

we can do a full benthic setup 420+ socket

[past marten]

to be fair, the only Benthic piece that is really out of line, are the boots

[chilly marsh]

X heroic adn mythic levle gear

and see the results

[sour wasp]

yeah the boots seem broken af

[past marten]

And that's because they are the only piece that is actually scaling

[deft nymph]

i mean the belt scales

but only matters for 2 bosses

[past marten]

Yeah, I don't really consider farming for the belt, two bosses is just not enough for me to force myself

[deft nymph]

i just sorta lucked out on the belt

first pull got a socket and my current belt was p crappy

so i dumped pearls upgrading it

[past marten]

The biggest problem with the belt is that you might replace that one with the raid belt soon-ish

[deft nymph]

what is the forge cap next week

all the way to 455 or?

[past marten]

Rumours are that it's capped to 445

Nothing confirmed though afaik

[sour wasp]

so i guess their catch up mechanic is still a lottery after all

ecks dee

just spend 20 pearls trying to get the boots

4 reduced falling dmg pairs

[vapid scarab]

you don't roll socketed perfect effect gear as catchup gear

[tropic ocean]

next week is

M+ farm party

Yaaaaay

[vapid scarab]

you hit 120 at like 280ilvl, now you can buy a full set of 385 pretty cheaply, that's the point of it

[sour wasp]

ye ik

[strange python]

80k ST opener on rare

https://i.gyazo.com/361d64bb92cf0c72b7f9bff3758b59d6.png

this trinket is buuuuuusted

[slender smelt]

what trinket?

[vestal wren]

i made a pin for it in #wow-general

but yes, the card is way to good

[strange python]

its not

it's the fact that the trinket doesn't share 30s cd with other on-use trinkets

u can use it + other on-use at once

like lurker or galecaller

[deft nymph]

why would you though

don't you want to use it outside of your cds?

[strange python]

card trinket has 2min cd

the same as vendetta

and lurkers

it lines up perfectly

so why not?

[deft nymph]

does vendetta or lurkers affect the trinket dmg?

wouldn't you just be wasting 2.5sec of vendetta/lurkers on the trinket when you could be hitting buttons that get buffed by them?

[vapid scarab]

no

[strange python]

it doesnt

[vapid scarab]

yes

[strange python]

the trinket doesn't make you stop attacking

it channels while u do ur thing

[vapid scarab]

yeah you just have to cast before

then normal opener

[deft nymph]

ohh

[strange python]

thats the beauty of it

and the fact that u can use it without putting ur bis trinket (lurker) in bags

makes it op

[sour wraith]

does it knock you out of stealth/open combat when you cast it?

[strange python]

uhh probably

haven't tested but I suppose it does

since it's channel

[sour wraith]

Cuz if you could precast before a fight

[deft nymph]

i mean if it doesn't break stealth

[strange python]

no point doing it, just macro to vendetta/lurkers

[deft nymph]

that would be interesting for wpvp lol

[sour wraith]

There's a short cast time before the channel starts though so you'd have to double press for the trinket and then vend to go off

I tried that yesterday

[vapid scarab]

it's not like you just cast it from stealth

even if it breaks they're sitting in a cheap/sap while you cast it

if you use crucible you can legit oneshot people with it

[strange python]

there is no such thing @sour wraith

just checked

[sour wraith]

Not surprised because that would be crazy

[strange python]

i meanyt

you don't have to double press for thr trinket and then vendetta to go off

[sour wraith]

Oh

[strange python]

literally macro vendetta/lurkers/card trinket to one button

and everything goes off with one click

https://streamable.com/4igqk

here you go

[sour wraith]

Yea I must've hit a different button than I thought I had then

[unreal perch]

is the macro just as simple as it sounds?

just cast + use + use?

[sour wraith]

yea

[unreal perch]

dope

[sour wraith]

Also Cyclo does break stealth when you first cast it but it doesn't start combat until the channel starts

[unreal perch]

now if only I had the CoS trinket..

but ya I never realized the cast wasn't broken by taking actions, thought it was just the channel

[strange python]

ok, little correction

there is a channel time in which you cant attack

but it's like 0.2s

or so

you barely feel it

[unreal perch]

is it effected by haste do you know?

[strange python]

no idea

/cast Vendetta
/use Lurker's Insidious Gift
/use Pocket-Sized Computation Device

here is my macro for it

[empty badge]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[unreal perch]

I'm disappointed in myself that I never went and got lurker's

[strange python]

lurker will get even more value right now

since mastery got much higher in value with essences

[unreal perch]

ya I just don't really have a raid group, let alone one doing CoS

actually not true I may have just found a group for palace today but, still not CoS

[strange python]

i literally got my 410 socketed on first day of HC

and never went back there

not a fan of CoS

[unreal perch]

at best I can try to LFR it

which even then is questionable

would most likely still be better than my 410 trinket but, rng and dealing with lfr

also macro feels weird to me, it'll cast trinket before vendetta sometimes which messes with the vendetta cast

[vapid scarab]

because you used it while on the GCD

wait for GCD to press it

[strange python]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/x5NC7vJgw7QRqV32j7NyPC

[unreal perch]

ah guess I'm not delaying enough

[strange python]

this card trinket got me 1,5k dps on sim

[shell bloom]

Is the mechagon trinket gonna be best now or what trinkets do we want for raid?

[unreal perch]

mechagon is probably going to be best lol

until they nerf it

[magic plover]

Doesn't it prevent you from attacking while channeling?

[sour wraith]

No

[unreal perch]

not at all lol

[sour wraith]

AAs and abilities can be used

[unreal perch]

even if it did like

it does so much damage

[deft nymph]

you just can't do other channels

which isn't relevant for us

[strange python]

it does prevent you from attacking during initial channel

which is like 0.2s

you barely feel it

[magic plover]

Okey that's nice

[deft nymph]

so

odds on that card getting nerfed on tuesday? :p

[sour wasp]

won't happen

[strange python]

hotfixed

[sour wasp]

not on tuesday i don't think

[strange python]

maybe

[civic palm]

High chance of hotfix before raid IMO.

[unreal perch]

turns out a trinket that does 150k+ damage in a single cast is pretty good

[sour wasp]

would it still be worth it if it didn't let you do anything during channel?

[deft nymph]

yep

[civic palm]

If only because it's so one-sided.

[unreal perch]

it's like 45k dps

[deft nymph]

you'd just use it right after vendetta

would be a minimal difference really

[scarlet sequoia]

ouf this laster trinket is insane, just had a 100k opener (not with MA)

[unreal perch]

23.5k damage per half second?

[sour wasp]

you mean after vendetta fades?

[spice surge]

I mean, lurkers generally give you more damage than that

[deft nymph]

ye

[spice surge]

Its just that its not as obvious

[deft nymph]

dump your energy and then use it while you regen

[marble hemlock]

if you play subterfuge, you can use it before your opener since the initial cast doesnt destealth 😃

[coral sparrow]

Hello rogues, is it me or versa is good now for assa atm? It feels now stronger than before 8.2?!

[magic plover]

Isn't it better to use it right after vendetta

[hushed valley]

"sim"

prob best to use the trinket when you arent full on energy

seems to scale w verse. i dont have lurkers but do have plume

was like a 20k dmg increase

[magic plover]

45k ticks instead of 25k?

[hushed valley]

overal dmg

[magic plover]

Kk

Can these ticks crit?

[hushed valley]

410 plume gives me like 10% vers

[magic plover]

I got 400 plume with versa socket in it

So it's pretty similar

[spare hawk]

omg (._ .) https://gyazo.com/e57c3ab9813634bee8b5c9f14859d6b9

[sour wasp]

perforada Pog

[simple meteor]

anyone tried the incription trinket for m plus does it look good?

[outer kernel]

dont know why but if i sim that trinket dont sim pretty good

its not better then my trinkets :S

[simple meteor]

gonna buy it and do some sims after heroic opens this trinket gonna get ilvl increase or not btw?

[unreal perch]

sim on daily not weekly Kevin

apparently

[pastel tiger]

Could I please get some tips on energy efficiency? I just started raiding as a rogue and that was the one thing that came up on wowanalyzer.

[fiery cradle]

pool for tb don't overcap

[chilly marsh]

does https://www.wowhead.com/item=170368/vims-scalecrusher-clasp also hit the main target ?

[pastel tiger]

@fiery cradle ok so keep my energy high while waiting for toxic blade? What is a good range to aim for?

[tropic ocean]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[fiery cradle]

@pastel tiger there's not really a set energy, you want to be as close to cap without capping for tb, fit 3 env into tb

[pastel tiger]

Ok ty

[distant mist]

I like how the trinket is castavle in stealth

Castable

Also even when you play ma it doesn’t destealth till the channel starts

I think

[ripe bramble]

The gloves aren't listed in the pin, are they not worth going for?

[sour wraith]

https://streamable.com/0cy4j

@strange python yea idk my Vendetta doesn't go off

with a macro

[strange python]

mine doesnt either

right now

[unreal perch]

mine is working fine

[strange python]

like they hotfixed it LOL

[unreal perch]

just make sure it's not being used while the GCD is active

if there's even a bit of GCD active it'll use the trinket first and you can't cast while doing the initial cast

also, gloves are all utility based aren't they? no damage boosts

[ripe bramble]

https://ptr.wowhead.com/item=170334/poens-deepsea-grips

[south horizon]

hey guys, the pins say that blood of the enemy should be paired with vendetta in ST. does this mean i should use it prior to vendetta, or during the vendetta window?

[distant mist]

Poens

[unreal perch]

I stand corrected

[distant mist]

Is damage

[frigid jasper]

how relevant is the difference in the benthic equips for the belt? I have the supposedly worse one with a socket but not upgraded and sitting on about 150 pearls and I'm not sure if I should keep gambling for the aberration damage one or just upgrade the one I have to 420

[distant mist]

I was doing some sims on the tank one . And it supposedly does some good dps

Better then regular socketed gear dunno how much threat it equates too though

[frigid jasper]

but how does it equate to the aberration damage one?

[distant mist]

It was swimming slightly higher

Simming

I’ll check again when I get home though

[frigid jasper]

yeah see obviously the threat gen would be a con but to the people I've talked to about it they've said the threat gen belt is better than the aberration damage one

purely on damage statistics anyway

[distant mist]

I’m also gonna guess that the abberation one will do better when there are multiple enemies up

But can’t be certain just yet

It also looks like crit is gonna be our better stat if you have those boots too

[ripe bramble]

Which is exactly the 2 Aberration bosses in Palace. Both Orgozoa and Zakul have adds

Really depends how high end your guild is

[frigid jasper]

not really planning on raiding tbh even though guild is <200 world

[ripe bramble]

Not sure why you'd even consider the aberration dmg then lol

[frigid jasper]

bc the possibility of going back to raiding is still out there, I'm not a social or a raider, more of a social raider that would get called in if they really needed me

that and I've no idea what's considered an "aberration" so I'm not sure how useful it is outside of the raid

[chilly marsh]

Ok guys i did some sims : i don't know if i did it 100% right not a pro on it IF someone with more experience could double check the results i would really be glad.

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/e67QdG3mcGwgWkhjz5hYDE

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eAiCvYku1USGrk6CWD7j4o

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/e39fpPCBXMzfhkWdhZeQsY

looks like benthci gear OUTDPS mythic 445 items

[distant mist]

It’s true

[ripe bramble]

Should have tossed a mythic 445+socket in there

[distant mist]

My friend was simming t23 lock and 3 of the benthic pieces were beating the other pieces

^ and that

[chilly marsh]

not puttint socket on heroic and mythci gear locked on a weakly farm ( not reliable)

benthic you cna far 24h a day

[ripe bramble]

But it's possible, and so is higher than 445 ilvl

[chilly marsh]

you cna fish a benthic with socket for only 5 peals

its crazy

sure if you hit the jackpot you cna get 455 + socket + leach

[distant mist]

Plus some of the mythic gear doesn’t have “effects” on them

[chilly marsh]

not reliable tough

[ornate herald]

benthic gear still worth rolling for after gem nerf?

[scenic nacelle]

I’m assuming the benthic gear is going to get nerfed. I’m sure blizzard doesn’t want 425 gear destroying 445 gear

[ornate herald]

its already been nerfed

[spice surge]

Well thats going to happen regardless

[scenic nacelle]

Oh has it?

[ornate herald]

they nerfed gems from 60 to 50 so you don't wear 400 pieces over 415s etc

or that was their reasoning, i dont have the math

[spice surge]

Doesnt matter much

Sockets are op at 40 too

[distant mist]

What is really sad... you wanted to wear 400 over 415 when we had the 40 gems too

[scenic nacelle]

Sockets OP in general

[spice surge]

You just get so little with ilvl increases compared to a socket

[distant mist]

What blizzard doesn’t understand is our primary stats are just dogshit compared to or secondary

[spice surge]

Depends on the slot ofc, mainhand is pretty good

[scenic nacelle]

So it’s more or less the socket outweighing the 445 gear and not the actual effect. Got it.

[spice surge]

They understand but its hard to make agi good, since all the other stats scale exponentially when agi doesnt

[distant mist]

Make agi give crit again :3

Like back in wrath

[scenic nacelle]

Wasn’t that how it was in classic?

Whoops we getting a little off track I think

Pls don’t kill me

[white basalt]

General chat!!!!!!

[opal meadow]

So i got 55 neck

what do i grind now

[spice surge]

Pearls

[white basalt]

More neck

[opal meadow]

i tried

algans stopped dropping perals for me awhile ago

i think they have a daily cap

[white basalt]

Mechagon for punchcard

[opal meadow]

i meant in terms of essences

[white basalt]

I'd farm several if you can

[distant mist]

Punchcard is an essence

:c

[opal meadow]

i've done everything there is to do in naz/mecha so i dont need to worry about that

I still want to test ripple in space minor

It can't be simming right since it's showing 0 damage in herodamage

but also why is vision of perfection not simming right?

[spice surge]

wdym not simming right?

[opal meadow]

er

[vapid scarab]

use nightly not weekly

[opal meadow]

Hero damage hasn't been updated in awhile

i see