assassination

[rigid mango]

Some you can't

[vapid scarab]

Yes one dungeon one pull you kill it

[cobalt gyro]

there's also one with the middle pat in atal

[vapid scarab]

Like

[cobalt gyro]

it's not just one dungeon though

there's one in front of the boss in atal

what, just gonna skip the bosS?

[midnight flower]

No m+ is impossible now that’s what blizzard wants 🤣

[cobalt gyro]

4head

[rigid mango]

There's two types of beguiling you want tof unnel on

[vapid scarab]

In front of Volkaal? Everybody skips that

[rigid mango]

With true vision?

[cobalt gyro]

i mean if it's a void

[tropic ocean]

Wat

[rigid mango]

hm

[cobalt gyro]

you literally can't skip it

for 1

and 2

no, priestess

[vapid scarab]

Tank pulls to side

Group runs past

[cobalt gyro]

void doesn't move

[tropic ocean]

It has 60yd aggro no?

[cobalt gyro]

and has 60y range

[rigid mango]

Void doesn't move

[cobalt gyro]

you're not skipping it lol

[tropic ocean]

We had similar issues

The aggro range is huge

[rigid mango]

Yeah

It's like reaping

huge aggro range

which means 2 types of them you want to funnel on

the void and the un cc'able shite

Where ttk's will shine, but just like now, it'll be week dependant

[cobalt gyro]

when i tested atal

https://i.imgur.com/yBGnKrl.png

there was emmisaries on x

[vapid scarab]

I mean at 60 yards it’s gonna pull while you pull the pack before it

[cobalt gyro]

the middle pat isn't a pat anymore

[vapid scarab]

No way that stays

[cobalt gyro]

so if there's a void on the X in the middle

you cannot skip

[rigid mango]

Oh it's not patrollin?

[cobalt gyro]

nope.

[rigid mango]

So you have to take without shroud?

[cobalt gyro]

all pats just afk if there's an emissary in them from what i saw

[tropic ocean]

We need to change or we we will get slappes

Slapped 😛

[cobalt gyro]

you could skip it

if you have a wl

but

warlock in keys

[rigid mango]

Well this is about sin in m+ so

[cobalt gyro]

ye

[rigid mango]

Like, I think if the dungeon has enough emmisaries

not running 3 ttk is foolish

[cobalt gyro]

realistically run as many as you have access to

[rigid mango]

Yeah

[cobalt gyro]

without giving up all shrouded/eb's

[rigid mango]

Yeah obv

but in a minmax situation

[tropic ocean]

If you play beguiling together with other stuff

Outlaw just as good

[vapid scarab]

Well the argument was if loyal gives you comparable prio to ttk, then why would you ever use something so rigid in use like ttk

[rigid mango]

I mean, not really?

You need to kill the emmisaries first

they are the prio

[tropic ocean]

Yeah so

[rigid mango]

sin funnel > outlaw funnel

[tropic ocean]

Target emmissary flurry rest

While sin must spread bleeds

[cobalt gyro]

depends on the emmisary

[rigid mango]

Sure

but you can also just

[tropic ocean]

Before pumping

[rigid mango]

fok 3 ttk pump envenoms

[cobalt gyro]

see the problem is going to arise from emmisaries in nasty pulls

[rigid mango]

doing more or less ehte same thing

[tropic ocean]

The time needed is differenr

Ol is roll bf pump

Sin is g g g r pump

so it wont make a big diff

[rigid mango]

Yeah but you think the extra like, 3 GCDs makes outlaws funnel better?

[tropic ocean]

no

I said it wont make a big diff

Or not as big as one might think

[rigid mango]

I mean, it's not about big or small diff, it's about which one is better

And if we run 3 ttk deeper lucid

[tropic ocean]

Since we need ramp up and rebleeds

[rigid mango]

ST is far better

[tropic ocean]

To sustain fok cp gen

[rigid mango]

And also just save lucid for emmisaries and your ramp up is far faster

[tropic ocean]

Not sure we gonna use lucid

Protocol seems 2 busted to not be used

[rigid mango]

I'm not sure anything can do anything against proto

If it can RNG bop 10+mil hp

Nothing compares

[tropic ocean]

Even if its a low chance

5 protocols on nasty mos

Mobs will be the play

[vapid scarab]

Yeah so you just protocol the emissaries 4head

Why funnel

[tropic ocean]

Zine next kick on confessor

Oh wait nvm

[inner tree]

hol up just simed myself and haste is my last stat by far with lucid major is this legit ?

[faint harness]

if thats what your sim show, yes

[inner tree]

patchwerk 5mn

[rigid mango]

Yes, lucid major chunks the value of hste

[inner tree]

i know stat weight can be janky thats why i'm asking

crit versa sin rogue wtf

[rigid mango]

until u swap out lucid as major

[inner tree]

do you ever tho

major + minor lucid is too strong

[rigid mango]

no

the minor is giga

[vocal kelp]

the major, less giga

[inner tree]

looking at sims the major is second just behind raid one

[nimble tartan]

major lucid is hot

[inner tree]

yea if sims are correct running anything else than lucid major is hard trolling

[rigid mango]

What sims

Herodamage?

It's got the major and minor in one

That's why the major looks insane

[karmic kite]

my sims are telling me to stack haste and use lucid major 🤔

[inner tree]

https://bloodmallet.com/index.html#rogue_assassination?data_view=essences

[rigid mango]

Yeah

like I said, both of them have minor inside of major

lucid minor carries lucid

The major isn't bad, it's just not the best

[inner tree]

hm ok didn't know that

[rigid mango]

As soon as u can

if you have stuff like blood/cof high

they'll be better

[karmic kite]

yeah im at 1650 haste and my sims are telling me lucid major and r2 blood minor

how is haste still valued so highly for me

[inner tree]

ok so it would be best to have blood major and lucid minor until you can swap blood for cof coorect ?

[rigid mango]

blood/cof are v close

Diff is small

until rank 3 life force, they'll be hte best choices we have

[inner tree]

ok so it's safe to assume that haste will still be bis stat with cof right

don't really feel like changing all my gear for 2 weeks

[rigid mango]

I wouldn't say so

but what I would do is just save all of it

Haste is too volatile a stat

Good until it aint

[untold current]

Anyone have advise on what to sim first as a baseline for top gear when I have so much viable gear in my bags? Selecting all I want to sim is = 60m iterations

[rigid mango]

Azerite and trinkets are easy

[untold current]

so sim those first?

[inner tree]

damn that undulating tide trait is actually pretty good

[rigid mango]

Screenshot ur azerite and send it

[inner tree]

raid traits don't stack ?

[untold current]

i have set azerite

so not simming that

[rigid mango]

Aight

[untold current]

more about gems/enchants/rings

[rigid mango]

trinkets then

Ah

[untold current]

weapon enchants

[rigid mango]

Well those are the ones that fuck you over

Force + higherst simming one is the weaps normally

Rest is just a bunch of slow simming I suppose

[untold current]

doing that

[scarlet sequoia]

are there any opener rotation things with blood of the enemy yet?

[rigid mango]

The APL uses it after TB

With MA

[vocal oasis]

no lists out yet for the "best" benthic pieces?

[honest needle]

do we need a 15 key this week to get max loot chest ?

or is it still +10

[sharp viper]

they increased the difficulty so i think +10 is still max gear for the chest

[honest needle]

can any 1 confirm this

cause i wanna know if i need to push

I hate pugging

[inner pier]

i belive so but you might wanna push higher than 10 just to get a higher key for the next week

i think it will be like 3 lvls downgrade next week ( not confirmed tho)

[rigid mango]

4 afaik

if it's the same as last season

ask in #wow-general if you wnat more people to see

probs more people who'd be able to answer it there

[honest needle]

last expansion u needed a +15 to get max loot

I was curious if its still the same

[dire spoke]

yeah but

the season system is different

[cobalt pelican]

your chest next week will be s2 anyway

[sharp viper]

mythic+ season 3 will open with mythic raid iirc

[inner pier]

are those boots really good and worth upgrading for the next tier?

[rigid mango]

but yes.

[dire spoke]

if they have stats you need

[cobalt pelican]

the stats don't change

[inner pier]

i see

😄

[rigid mango]

The stats are static

[dire spoke]

really

[hollow stone]

They are bis

Yes

And yes

[dire spoke]

whew

pucc me then

[cobalt pelican]

only 700 pearls to go

i love world quests

:shmiley face:

[inner tree]

dropped like 150 pearls trying to get a socket on these boots

seriously considering upgrading them without socket fk it

[rigid mango]

Worth it when pearls are useless in 2 weeks

[chrome cedar]

is it even worth stockpiling pearls atm

[hoary apex]

which benthic pieces should I upgrade first

[cobalt pelican]

there's not really any benefit to spending them till raid day

so you can sit on 200 (or whatever the 425 cost total is) and gamble down to that on raid day

and if you don't hit a socket you can then upgrade the unsocketed

[rigid mango]

Aye 200 for 385-425 iirc

but 420-425 is 100

[chrome cedar]

lovely, thanks

[shrewd depot]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[civic palm]

[white basalt]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[inner tree]

sim with cof major and lucid minor both rank 3

[karmic kite]

how on earth do you have r3 lucid

[dense blaze]

Don't need to have rank 3 to sim innit

[inner tree]

yea just simming

[karmic kite]

ok i thought i was missing something major

[inner tree]

not farm from it tho at 5500/6000 on the achiev

[formal falcon]

do you actually gem a agi gem right now? using r1 lucid

sims tell me to put 1 in, rest mastery full on

[rigid mango]

If sim says so, aye

[formal falcon]

12% haste seems so low though xd

drop 3% haste by changing gems haste > mastery

i guess the lucid minor proc is pretty godly

[swift lodge]

it feels pretty good so far

[severe nacelle]

has anyone tested the best benthic gear for the slots not mentioned in the pins?

[lusty narwhal]

lost a lot of value on haste with lucid

actually lower than vers wtf

and thats without minor

[rigid mango]

Without minor?

Wot

[lusty narwhal]

yeah idk

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mxFTR3c4hsDbt112EqFCbG

[rigid mango]

How can u not have the minor?

[lusty narwhal]

because im not 55 yet? lol

[rigid mango]

You get the minor with the major

....

lol.

[lusty narwhal]

ah nvm

lmao

[rigid mango]

[lusty narwhal]

HRRR

[rigid mango]

don't lol me fool

[meager nebula]

oops

[rigid mango]

[lusty narwhal]

hard brain fart

meant second slot

[rigid mango]

[lusty narwhal]

but yeah low value, weird

[rigid mango]

Nah

the lucid major chunks your haste value

by a bunch

[lusty narwhal]

ill be on like 15-16% haste probably if i bin the haste enchants like what the sims telling me to do

seems low

[rigid mango]

I'm on lower

[lusty narwhal]

[lone junco]

LOLOLOL Haste 4.28 agi 2.71.

🇷 🇮 🇵

[strange python]

finally 55 >.>

lucid major > bote minor for me

[civic palm]

mmm

[short token]

so we should be going hard with our pearls to get the benthic boots with crit/socket?

i'm reading conflicting things - people saying save until raid

[lofty jay]

I’m using my alts pearls to farm for boots

[short token]

so then boots are the way to go?

i don't have an alt capable of that atm

[lofty jay]

I’m primarily outlaw but I would assume the boots are even better for sin considering the stats

[short token]

So guess I’ll spend and try to get em then

[grim canopy]

okay wtf these companions keep breaking my stelath in najatar

[frosty obsidian]

what are the standard sim settings for m+? 3 bosses 3 mins?

patchwerk?

[nocturne gate]

dungeonslice

[frosty obsidian]

o thats new

[white basalt]

@grim canopy yeah it's super annoying. Think something is bugged. High mob density and stealth detecting turrets make it worse

[grim canopy]

once i got revered i barely go there except maybe compaion xp

for lucid3

[arctic walrus]

How good would assassination be for island farming over outlaw

[rancid bobcat]

scales pretty well if you have good azerite

[honest needle]

so all we need this week is a +10 for the week to get max loot from weekly chest right ?

are u guys sure we dont need a 15

[arctic walrus]

You don't need to but I'm pretty sure residium will scale up so you want as much of that as possible

[spice cloak]

i followed the sims on gem enchant gear replacements but I notice in game it feels much worse dps wise and engergy wise

[civic palm]

Just believe your intuition, fuck the numbers, rise up humans!!

[spice cloak]

garbage in garbage out

[plucky stream]

is there a list for bis benthic gear??

Disregard, found it in pinned messages

[civic palm]

What a man... so attractive, good job :3

[haughty lily]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[subtle aurora]

Finally dinged 55 ap level. So guys, major bote and minor lucid?

[nimble tartan]

i love wow!

[subtle aurora]

I love wow but I hate grinding!

[tribal marlin]

probably Major Lucid and Vein Minor if you have multiple vein in your party

if you don't have bote R3 don't bother farming it and just go LucidM + Vein for ST

[grim canopy]

for AoE bote major?

[deft shore]

Lucid/Vein and not Lucid/Flame anymore oof

I'm just gonna sim until raidbots servers burn to the ground

[modest tendon]

Does evasion work on the severing axe dot on the third boss in kings rest?

[cobalt gyro]

yes

[modest tendon]

Good to know 😄

[frosty obsidian]

!essemce

[opal meadow]

are punchcards simming correctly yet?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/75Yc8M6jSjfc4cXG2kuvrm

Rip. 0 damage from the punchcard lol

Anyone know how to add a line in to make it use the punchcard on cd?

[shy dust]

Use the nightly build

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[glass trench]

!essence

[opal meadow]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2aaDCDVJAPdVQqG5QzYfee

It works, ty rae

Is it good though 🤔

[autumn night]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8HeTEeoMuPgV8YBvNmgkAg

[opal meadow]

is that one aoe?

[faint harness]

Its ST, "patchwerk"

[opal meadow]

Sorry, i mean is that punchcard aoe

the channeled one

[faint harness]

Nope

[opal meadow]

The frost damage bracers are 200 more dps than the pgys damage ones, but i got phys damage with a socket.. do i keep rolling?

[vapid scarab]

if you want to?

what kind of question is that

[opal meadow]

I just feel like i might end up blowing 400+ perals and wont find the right one

[unreal perch]

chances are you're right

[quiet totem]

It depends on how much time you want to spend to get that extra 200 dps

[unreal perch]

probably get more use out of the time farming ap honestly

[feral shuttle]

I rolled like 4 socketed proc on dmg taken bracers last night :( - now I've got the physical dmg I think I'm just going to stick with those.

Took like 200 perls to get those.

[unreal perch]

I feel behind since I haven't been farming sockets

[vapid scarab]

you could spend 400 pearls or you could spend 5

rng is rng

do what you want

[feral shuttle]

Yeah ofc. It's still irritating tho

[glacial vault]

you want vim's belt for sin no?

[feral shuttle]

[fierce yew]

How do you guys aquire so many pearls lol?

[vapid scarab]

do content

[tame cobalt]

Kill rares after youre done with wqs and dailies

[inner tree]

trying some sims right now anyone know what context means ?

like trinket1=,id=169321,context=13

[austere ruin]

which potion u guys use for opener?

[inner tree]

crit pot seems broken

[unreal perch]

i've been hearing crit pot

[jovial vault]

agi pot on pull

crit second pot

crit pot breaks stealth

[inner tree]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jw2GFiynuXgCMwikVMDR2Z

does that trinket even sim correctly

[dense blaze]

Do y'all have any idea if the Naga Deployment Orders from scrying stones are on a cd?

[faint harness]

only heard weekly

but nothing official

[inner tree]

def weekly like bark

[faint harness]

you're using the wrong raidbots

sim nightly

not weekly

on weekly sims the inscription trinket is simming way higher than it should

[inner tree]

ok ty trying that

[tardy ether]

crit potion 2s prepull then stealth

[jovial vault]

cant break stealth if you have to use shroud

[hidden plinth]

do I see it right the first 4 bosses are pure ST ?

[tardy ether]

well if you don't shroud obviously

can also use it a little earlier and still shroud probably still stronger than agi pot especially for the opener

[onyx rock]

An then some pepega in your guild is prepulling...

[inner tree]

does the mechagon trinket with cyclotronic blast sims correctly ? seems insanely broken (nighty build)

[stone pilot]

think blizz will fix crit pot breaking stealth any time soon?

[dense blaze]

In a few months sure

[faint harness]

@inner tree yes it sims correctly

[outer kernel]

what is the best way to use that mechagon trinket?

[coarse tusk]

You can use the naga orders as many times in a week as you get them. I've used 2 last week.

I get r3 lucid tommorrow.

[ornate meteor]

Whats this naga order?

[coarse tusk]

Gives you 150 xp per bodyguard. 450 total.

[distant mist]

nice

how farmable is it?

isnt it from the box's from the stone thing?

[inner tree]

pretty sure it's a weekly lockout so 1 per week + 1 with murloc vendor

[ornate meteor]

Wow, whats the item name? I searched naga order on youtube but it show only nazjatar wikipedia and some naga creatures

[coarse tusk]

I've gotten 2 from scrying box and 1 from mrrl secret shop

[distant mist]

i havent gotten any from the box yet.

my luck on that's been horrible

[inner tree]

got 2 from scrying chests 1 each week

and a third with mrrl

[coarse tusk]

I was extremely lucky.

[strange python]

so you can use that + the bark??

[inner tree]

yea

[coarse tusk]

Yeah

[inner tree]

but bark is def weekly lockout

[distant mist]

pretty sure it was daily

but i might be mistaken

[inner tree]

no way

[distant mist]

maybe my week has blended

[inner tree]

i know there was some exploit on like day 1 but fixed

been doing those trees for like a week and got 2 barks

each time on first tree i killed for the week

[white basalt]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/

[acoustic atlas]

im 800 way from r3 lucid. You're killing it if you get it tomorrow

I'm unlucky with scrying

[tawdry rune]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[cobalt pelican]

you get rank 3 lucid before the reset just by doing dailies and like 1 bark a week so there's not much benefit to busting your balls for ti

[nimble tartan]

im only 4485/6000

[cobalt pelican]

and there's at least 4 days of dailies left at 300 a day

that + 1 bark = 6000

[calm wedge]

Hey, are we going to have a sim like this one for assass ? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4Xb82xsJ8ZHDM2QhQKb4tT

[rigid mango]

That sim being what, a BiS list?

[calm wedge]

yeah

[rigid mango]

There is no bis list

Sockets > items

[calm wedge]

I believe its not 100% accurate because of benthic not being completely implemented yet

True, but its a good approx. of what we can hope / aim for

[rigid mango]

Stats change

Sockets are a thing

The only thing you can check for bis shit are trinks/azerite

possibly weap

The rest you can RNG a good piece from a +6 and there u go, BiS piece

[calm wedge]

yeah but maybe some benthic gears are bis

[rigid mango]

And that would be in the pins 😄

Like it is

[calm wedge]

Okay sorry xd

[meager nebula]

Its pretty much useless information, so likely not

[inner tree]

btw new raid trinkets don't sim correctly right ? except azshara one

[rigid mango]

unsure, mystler was working on it

[vestal wren]

there are some wip ones

[dark parcel]

I wonder how Vision of Perfection sims with 3x Nothing Personal, still worse than lucid and the raid one right?

[rigid mango]

Yes, it's still not good enough

[dark parcel]

: (

[austere wadi]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[dark parcel]

wish it would be

[rigid mango]

Why tho

[dark parcel]

ye i know, wondering if the sims included NP

because right now, vendetta and vanish have a very awkward overlap

essence would fix that

[rigid mango]

wot

They have a giga smooth overlap?

[distant lava]

[rigid mango]

Vision would fuck it up

[distant lava]

how do 2 2 mins cds

have bad overlap

[dark parcel]

no? not if you run SS? you never pop vanish on your vendetta, what

[rigid mango]

Unless you're running Sub, where even then

Yeah

Vision would fuck it up even worse

?+??

[dark parcel]

no?

[distant lava]

yeah

[rigid mango]

They'd be desynced by nearly a min

[dark parcel]

like, you wait full garrote duration before using vanish

[distant lava]

maybe would line up for 3rd vendetta

but I doubt that

yeah that would mean

you get vendetta

ever more earlier than vanish

[dark parcel]

with the relic, it's way better

[distant lava]

[dark parcel]

try it on ptr

[rigid mango]

Iuje

Like*

[distant lava]

sure bud

you're right

[rigid mango]

It sounds horrid

I never ever want it to be meta

[distant lava]

FILTER

[dark parcel]

ooh i'm silly

[rigid mango]

Whoopise

[dark parcel]

: D

i see what you're saying

[rigid mango]

Just the playstyle of it

RNG chance to get % dmg increase?

Could be nuts, could be meh

[golden bobcat]

hello anyone know if raidbots sims with the crit potion?

[dark parcel]

kinda reminds me of the legion relics

that was nice

[rigid mango]

not as opener I don't think

[stuck knoll]

You can change what it sims with in advanced

[golden bobcat]

ah good ty

[rigid mango]

The crit pot is really bad for opener

[inner tree]

thanks fuck vision is trash that would have been legion poison bomb all over again

[rigid mango]

It might be good as a second pot

since it currently brings us out of stealth

which means it's auto garbage.

[stuck knoll]

I thought focused was actually pretty decent in sims

[golden bobcat]

will that be patched

hopefully

[stuck knoll]

There’s a ton of issues with that potion

[rigid mango]

It was, but it was simmming with 20%

[inner tree]

cant pot then stealth

[golden bobcat]

doubt thats intended

[inner tree]

cant u

[stuck knoll]

Like not stacking correctly

[rigid mango]

and not taking u out of stealth

[stuck knoll]

Yeah ik

[rigid mango]

I don't know if it is or isn't

it said 20% on wowhead

and then on live it only goes to 5%, sometimes 10%

it also brings you out of stealth

So it's auto hot garbage

[stuck knoll]

It’s supposed to stack to 20 but it doesn’t properly

[rigid mango]

It's wack

[stuck knoll]

You can do what you do for outlaw opener if you’re determined to use it

[inner tree]

why not prepot then stealth

[stuck knoll]

Be unstealthed then stealth

[inner tree]

unless it puts you in combat

[rigid mango]

Sounds baad

You lose seconds on the pot

[stuck knoll]

It’s fine but if someone prepulls you’re fucked

You don’t really

Just prepot at normal time and stealth neithr takes a gcd

Can ss to the boss

[rigid mango]

Idk, you also need to be a long way away

So either use SS or you're fucked

I'd rather just not use buggy hellfite

[stuck knoll]

It’s fine but it’s too risky for very little gain imo

[rigid mango]

Aye

[inner tree]

caster opener with crit pot + azshara trinket

[stuck knoll]

The pot is garbo anyway til it’s fixed

[inner tree]

let me setup 10sec before pull

[arctic walrus]

Still better than HFC locks

[sick pasture]

Does anyone have a master assassin WA?

[void nest]

How good is sin in higher level m+ keys compared to the other specs or does it depend on the dungeon? I enjoy playing all the specs so just wondering

[mighty elm]

🍆 🍆 🍆 🍆

[frosty obsidian]

I’ve never even gotten a socket from that Kadala bullshit and I’ve legit spent like 500 pearls

[distant lava]

that's unlucky

weirdly unlucky

[frosty obsidian]

Mantle was also the last legendary I got, maybe I should make a new rogue

[distant lava]

I got the swim speed boots with socket twice in a row

[hazy iron]

Just wait for 3 sunders, you'll be aight

and if you're in an even group go to the right

[faint harness]

Ive scrapped vims

With sockets

Like 3 of them

Vims works on every boss

Might be worth keeping

[sage thorn]

just restore them

it* i mean

[faint harness]

All 3

[quiet totem]

You won't generate more threat in M+ the effect is only in nazjatar

[faint harness]

Not worried about threat tbh

Unless the tank is a massive pepega it shouldnt matter

[quiet totem]

I don't see how you are pulling threat off the tank in raid

[royal lantern]

tank got a dc midfight

[faint harness]

Evasion tank dude

Next strats

[royal lantern]

wasnt that a legit thing for 1 fight in BC?

deeper on sin

blergh

[inner tree]

deeper could make sense seing how broken lucid is

[faint harness]

You need several ttks for it afaik

Deeper aint simming higher for me at least

[vestal wren]

ss is always a good trait

[inner tree]

3 ttks/deeper for a LIDL sub experience

[faint harness]

Stacking tradewinds too?

[royal lantern]

i was the only guy that used tradewinds on zul

[fierce yew]

Would it be worth going full single target for m+ on tyrannical weeks? Trying to understand when to swap gear sets -.-

Or rather, how should my though process be when deciding how to gear for separate weeks

[distant lava]

never worth going full ST if DD np is what you have in mind

[royal lantern]

its never worth it too go full st

you still spend most of the time doing adds

[rigid mango]

You're better off going higher ttk/ss and dropping an eb

[royal lantern]

in tyranical weeks you simply tend too pull bigger

[rigid mango]

Ever taking DD is int

1 NP in high tyr keys like KR/ToS can be good

But situational

[inner tree]

2 EB 2 SS 2 TTK in tyranical is pog

[fierce yew]

Running 3xEB 2xTTK 1xSS at the moment

[arctic walrus]

Are there an optimal 3 az pieces you aim for in regard to m+

Haven't been assassination in a dungeon since season 1

[dusky tinsel]

get 1 SS, then stack as many EBs and TTK as you can and that's pretty much been the setup so far

[fierce yew]

When simming for m+ situations, would you use hectic add cleave or the dungeon beta btw?

[royal lantern]

dungeon slice

but always take it with a grain of salt

[distant lava]

sin dungeon slice is

go with a mixture of SS / EB / TTK and full mastery crit gear

[dusky tinsel]

hectic add cleave isnt very realistic, that's essentially skorpyron from legion, dungeon slice is ok, but its mostly ST and light cleave. Really depends on how your tank pulls, if you guys pull big often, then it might be worth doing like 10 targets for 1-1.5mins and just feelycrafting off that

[faint harness]

I dont trust dungeon slice, ngl

[distant lava]

trying to get OP as inside trait to help with ST energy regen

[lavish olive]

guys what about talents for keys ? 1312221 - is it good setup ?

[distant lava]

1 is master poisoner ?

[lavish olive]

y

[distant lava]

from memory in keys you play 222221

[arctic walrus]

no you take ep

[dusky tinsel]

dont use master poisoner lol

ever

[distant lava]

wait I'm missing a few

[dusky tinsel]

unless you're in pvp

[lavish olive]

oh. ok i'm just wanna to try assa right now

thx

[wraith lance]

What is TTK? S:

[distant lava]

it's 2212221

in keys

[spice surge]

Twist the knife

[arctic walrus]

Guys I think we might be on to something here

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eoW6EvxjPu5iT2oGJa1ofk

deep strat

is a whole

[wraith lance]

Wat really, that’s sought after?

[arctic walrus]

SEVENTEEN dps increase

[dusky tinsel]

Seli runs deeper in M+ with lucid, I've tried it, feels weird to me running 6 CPs, havent played with 6CPs since legion I think, so thats mostly just me being rusty 😛

[inner tree]

try to sim deep strat with 3 ttk in a cleave scenario

with the regen from lucid might be good

idk

[arctic walrus]

hmm do I do EB too

[spice surge]

I generally dont think dungeon slice works overly well for assa so i wouldnt trust it

[cosmic pier]

9 sockets jesus

is Cylcotronic blast simming correctly? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ngSqD9LKdAYmjBUCBc8ffv

seems way better than any of my other trinkets

[inner tree]

yes and it's fat

[rotund mural]

guys i got these benthic boots that give crit, but no socket... should i start upg them or keep trying to spend these for a socketed one?

[rigid mango]

Socketed

[rotund mural]

even if i never get one? xD

[rigid mango]

[dusky tinsel]

always worth fishing for one with a socket

they proc with sockets often

[rotund mural]

nah i mean, like i have 100 manapearls, and try to find the socketed one but none comes, so ...100 manapearls gone 😛

[arctic walrus]

a l t s

[rigid mango]

Yeah, I've pumped 150 into feet with now avail

Just keep on trucking bud

[rotund mural]

ok, i will

[dusky tinsel]

damn son, took me 3 attempts to get one with a socket, feelsbad

[rotund mural]

thanks

[cosmic pier]

just make sure you have enough pearls to buy your lucid upgrade

[distant lava]

got the belt first try but feet and bracers are sneaky bois

[arctic walrus]

Not really sure if I'm simming the right conditions but

Deeper strat seems to jump in value on 3 tar cleave

[cosmic pier]

makes sense since you would get enough energy off your bleeds

[dusky tinsel]

DS is good in multi target, the only problem you're going to run into is if you're using SS, if you dont get DP in your 3xgarrote opener it feels pretty bad energy wise to start

[arctic walrus]

I simmed patchwork 3 bosses though

[rotund mural]

well 100 wasted.... not 1 with socket xD damn

not even with crit ability

[rigid mango]

as long as you have 100 pearls on main

to make them 420

You're good.

100 pearls for 5 ilvls when you can pump that into another piece seems like a huge waste

[short jacinth]

I'm well past 200 and keep getting sockets on the wrong boots..

[inner tree]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kzUEMxWWpKwaEMgAr3TBAH

didn't bother changing stats

[dusky tinsel]

I'm waiting the day before/of raid before I fish for anything else incase I get lucky on a WQ/rare drop

[rigid mango]

Gonna do all alts too

40 per alt seems neat.

[arctic walrus]

Thought it was 20

[rigid mango]

You can keep on doing some stuff

like the basic shit for your follower dude

and get another 15-20 easily

[arctic walrus]

Nazgatar emissary was nice, free 25

[rigid mango]

Shoulda done it back then

[arctic walrus]

With flying too it's more convenient now that you don't need to unlock flight paths on all alts

[balmy quest]

once they lift gear level caps what can benethic gear be upgraded to?

[rigid mango]

425

[dusky tinsel]

they havent said

[rigid mango]

is its max

It's not intended as actual gear

[dusky tinsel]

its unlikely they'll make it go higher though

[rigid mango]

It's a catch up mechanic

[spice surge]

Catch up mechanic providing BiS gear

[rigid mango]

Rep providing BiS trinket¨

[spice surge]

It will probably get outscaled though

[spark oyster]

Which trinket ?

[arctic walrus]

Red card

[rigid mango]

The card trinket

With the rep card you get from revered

[cobalt gyro]

Cyclotronic blast

[rigid mango]

Is nuts.

That thing

[cobalt gyro]

It's GIGA

[cosmic pier]

are there any blue cards that matter for dps or are they just roleplaying garbage?

[spice surge]

They dont matter for dps no

[rigid mango]

They're all 4fun

[untold current]

This game is not for fun

[cobalt gyro]

Yeah, one matters

[rigid mango]

I'd assume the azshara trink is on trink cd

[cobalt gyro]

Do not get the neural silencer

Ever

[rigid mango]

which means we pick that or lurk huh

[cosmic pier]

fun is phat logs

[spice surge]

Im still confused why its counted as a usable gem and not an on-use trinket

[untold current]

Stop swapblasters on manno platform

is giga

[rigid mango]

I think if it was on use

it wouldn't be worth it

[dusky tinsel]

stopping lifegrip is a no-go for raid though

[spice surge]

@rigid mango Plumage and gigablaster together

[cobalt gyro]

Maybe thats why it doesn't activate trinket cd

[rigid mango]

Aye it looks

[cosmic pier]

chek out this bad boy from last night https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/p9CXWQa7zHRq1w6x#fight=14&type=damage-done

[spice surge]

Giga increased blaster

[rigid mango]

I just need to grind rep

It did 27k with plumage for some

[cosmic pier]

5 vendettas on jaina lul

[rigid mango]

Who is jaine

[arctic walrus]

Can't link logs cuz private

[spice surge]

Imagine not being revered yet

[cobalt gyro]

Also you need to make sure you put in the highest lvl punchcard you can

[cosmic pier]

just play in a shitter guild like me lmao

[arctic walrus]

What ilvl is the red card

[cobalt gyro]

415

[spice surge]

http://piclair.com/data/0npjg.jpg

[cobalt gyro]

I'm like halfway exalted

[rigid mango]

not even half way to honored

[arctic walrus]

Imagine not flying

[spice surge]

As long as you do the wq in mechagon everyday it should be fine

I cba doing everything, but the wq gives 850 rep, which is insane, and also #wow-general

[cobalt gyro]

Inb4 revered required for the dungeon unlocks so no one gets vision

Not that it's that goos for sin

[cosmic pier]

i wanna meme with vision + loaded dice on outlaw

[rigid mango]

Lucky there's an #outlaw channel for that

[arctic walrus]

I can't have fun with cyclotronic my kimbul too good

[rigid mango]

[cosmic pier]

do you need to stack haste for kimbuls to be good?

[vestal wren]

no

[hidden plinth]

which card is the strong one?

[cosmic pier]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=167672/cyclotronic-blast&bonus=0:1472

[arctic walrus]

Is the reason vers went up in value due to them increasing dmg on stuff like kimbul's and CoS pants

[hidden plinth]

and which yellow card you use with this ?

[cosmic pier]

sim your different ones and find out whats best for you

[dark crag]

Can you craft yellow cards?

[arctic walrus]

Yea but you should wait for cap to go up

[ornate meteor]

when do you guys use crucible flame major during opener?

[balmy kraken]

Is the alchemy trinket viable for assassination?

[spice surge]

Its not very strong at all no

Its not awful, but there are plenty of other trinkets that are better

[coarse token]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[cosmic pier]

whats the best time to use cyclotronic? after the first TB in vendetta?

then on cd i assume

*tb window

[faint harness]

Before vendetta

[inner tree]

with vendetta after tb yes

[rigid mango]

Nah not w vendetta

[faint harness]

the blast is not increased by vendetta

[rigid mango]

vend doesn't increase its damage afaik

[inner tree]

it is tho

[rigid mango]

So before fend

[faint harness]

No its not

[rigid mango]

yes.

[inner tree]

just tried it

[faint harness]

versatility increase its dmg

[rigid mango]

vend only increases rogue abilities afaik

same for MA

only increases crit of rogue abilities

so

[stuck knoll]

All cds are white listed

So only certain abilities work

[rigid mango]

hm?

afaik they're all connected to rogue abilities, MA doesn't give flat crit

[stuck knoll]

That’s why if a trinket has a channel it’s better to use it outside of vend or wings

[rigid mango]

Aye

[faint harness]

if you have bound a vers trinket or something similar to vendetta that might be why you see a dmg increase

[cosmic pier]

ah ok so gar> mut > rup then cyclo

[rigid mango]

MA gives increased crit to rogeu abilities not just crit to everything

[cosmic pier]

then vanish etc

[rigid mango]

Aye

pop plumage with it

if you have it

From the anecdotal numbers I saw people using, it gained about 3k+ from popping plumage

[faint harness]

3k+ per tick

so about 20k ish

[rigid mango]

Aye

Quite insane.

[faint harness]

y

i have bound my plumage to cycloblast now

is big

[rigid mango]

Aye I'd imagine that's the best play

[faint harness]

but i think someone had a slightly better opener

[inner tree]

yea had my plumage bound to vendetta mb

[faint harness]

mut-gar-trinket-rup

to get more out of the rup

[cosmic pier]

fak i didnt realise the yellow cards got destroyed and i overwrote a good one

[dark crag]

How does a dmg channel affect rupture? Was the card fixed that you can't use other things while channelling?

[faint harness]

you can keep doing dmg as usual after the cast

the channel isnt interrupted

the only thing that interrupts the channel is another channel

[dark crag]

So why not just macro it into vend?

[faint harness]

cus its on GCD

or i mean, its a cast

so why would you

[inner tree]

still a cast so you lose a lot of energy by poping vendetta before i guess

[dark crag]

The comnents on wowhead made it sound like instant channel not on gcd

[faint harness]

yea you dont want to overcap while using it

it has a 1 sec cast time

ish

1.5 sec

maybe

it gets lowered by haste

[stable yarrow]

its a cast into a channel

[dark crag]

Patch 8.2 rise of the gcd

[rigid mango]

but why use it in vend

[faint harness]

i mean you dont want to use it with vendetta anyway

[rigid mango]

to waste vend dmg

[faint harness]

its a dps loss

[rigid mango]

It's not increased by vend

so you're standing there losing vend GCD's

[faint harness]

unless you're running out of binds i dont understand the criticism

[stable yarrow]

yeah gar > mut > trinket > rupture seems good

[rigid mango]

Aye

[strange python]

Hmm why does Concentrated flame now sim for more that Lucid for me! o.O

?*

[royal lantern]

cus flame is pretty strong

and lucid is only good cus of the minor for us

[strange python]

I thought the Major was pretty strong? Bit of over capped energy but ability spam for 15(?) seconds

Meh, Ill do what the Sims say

[rigid mango]

You don't gain that much

You're nearly gcd locked anyways

you gain 3-4 GCD's I think

[royal lantern]

blood rank3 sims best for me right now so 🤷

but tbf, still working for that neck 55

[rigid mango]

blood/cof r3 will be the best before life

[scenic nacelle]

Wish I didn't have to grind BGs for a great pve essence ...

[sour wasp]

winning 2 bgs isn't exactly grinding innit?

[scenic nacelle]

for rank 3?

[rigid mango]

For rank 3 bud

[scenic nacelle]

50k honor

[sour wasp]

ah mb

[strange python]

Rank 3 requires 50k honor

[rigid mango]

A bit more than 2 bgs

[cobalt pelican]

aiming for like 6k honor a day or so for the last week has been pretty tolerable honestly

[rigid mango]

It doesn't look atht bad w dailies

[inner tree]

then u get into ashran and oh boy you're in for a nice 45mn lose

[cobalt pelican]

if i get ashran i just stand near the fight pressing detection

or leave and do other stuff

[scenic nacelle]

I guess I know what I'm doing tonight

[arctic walrus]

Just leave after losing the first fight, deserter lasts shorter than a full game

[strange python]

which prepot do we use now?

[rigid mango]

Probably unbridled fury

[strange python]

isn't focused resolve better for st?

[arctic walrus]

My sim's finally about to finish after 30 minutes

[rigid mango]

Focused takes u outta stealth

so it's unplayable as first pot

[strange python]

stealth doesnt matter to me

for raiding

[scenic nacelle]

focused takes you out of stealth so yea...

[rigid mango]

What?

[strange python]

?

[rigid mango]

How does stealth not matter

[strange python]

on pull it doesnt

[cobalt pelican]

if you play ma it's pretty insignificant

[strange python]

^

[cobalt pelican]

like you can probably play it just fine

i think you'll still end up playing sub on a decent amount of fights

[strange python]

so normal prepot bu the new version is bad now or?

[cobalt pelican]

especially given how shit the azerite gear is

you're not going to land on dd/np instantly

[inner tree]

wait what sub is good again ?

[cobalt pelican]

sub(terfuge)

[strange python]

he meant subterfuge

[inner tree]

PepeHands

[rigid mango]

Also with how buggy garbage the crit one is

as it's not stacking to 20%

[strange python]

hows unbridled fury vs normal prepot

[rigid mango]

Fury wins I think

[strange python]

is the difference big

[cobalt pelican]

unbridled is better from the sims i checked

[rigid mango]

Aye

[cobalt pelican]

like 300diff

or so

[rigid mango]

I've not seen the sims

[cobalt pelican]

in current gear

[strange python]

aight

thanks

[rigid mango]

but yeah, better

[inner tree]

that undulating trait is actually pretty decent

according to sims

so you get a good helm and chest i guess from raid

[arctic walrus]

Had a sim running for 40 minutes only for it to tell me my equipped is the best

[rigid mango]

How good is "pretty decent"

[strange python]

worth

[sour wasp]

well look at it this way

[haughty lily]

I haven’t simmed in months 😅

[sour wasp]

it took you no time to figure something that took a computer 40 mibs

mins*

so you're a genius

[harsh goblet]

anyone have an up to date link for dps sims

[rigid mango]

What type of sims

[inner tree]

i think it's a little bit worse than DD

so third

[harsh goblet]

class comparison

[rigid mango]

Well dd is first so

Ask in #wow-general might be someone there

[inner tree]

how is dd first

wtf

[arctic walrus]

It's weird though cuz I'm gemmed haste/mastery but those are my 2 lowest stat weights atm

[rigid mango]

DD's the best trait

For ST

[inner tree]

wot

[rigid mango]

??+

how are u confused by this?

[inner tree]

https://bloodmallet.com/index.html#rogue_assassination?data_view=azerite_traits&type=trait_stacking&tier=3

[carmine valve]

DD works well with toxic blade

[rigid mango]

So why not run 3 NP every ST fight?

[drifting cloud]

[inner tree]

so that sim is bullshit ?

[rigid mango]

I mean sim yourself and see

Or check any patchwerkf fight

and see what people are running

I think people really underestimate how broken DD is

http://prntscr.com/obez58

DD dealing 3rd most dps

Seems fine my dude

[inner tree]

that screen doesn't mean shit tho

[rigid mango]

because?

[inner tree]

how many dd how many np

[rigid mango]

That's me running 3dd 2np 1 bbi

[inner tree]

crit% ?

[rigid mango]

Crit doesn't play into this as much

[rigid mango]

Just look at the colossal diff

[arctic walrus]

Here's my r1 on conclave

[rigid mango]

DD is the best trait

^

Like

[arctic walrus]

3 dd 2 np 1 blightborne

[rigid mango]

I don't think you realisle how stupid DD is

1 NP is god tier, for sure

But after that, DD all the way

[inner tree]

3dd 3np

[arctic walrus]

what fight

[rigid mango]

How long was the fight

[rigid mango]

beacuse if it's perfect NP right

[arctic walrus]

there's mech

[inner tree]

5.55

fiught

fight

on mekka

[rigid mango]

You must not be playing correctly in that case

[stuck knoll]

Mekka is a really bad fight to compare with

[rigid mango]

DD should never be that low

[sick cradle]

anyone know the RPPM of Lucid minor?

[rigid mango]

But yeah that too

[inner tree]

that's not me

some random

[haughty lily]

I mean mekka has a lot of luck involved tbh and is that person MA? Cause sometimes you can just be unlucky

[inner tree]

ranked 10 on mekka

and tbh everyone in the top dps on mekka is lucky

[rigid mango]

ye obv

[fallow peak]

What are people thinking about 3 np with vision of perfection? Would the entire dot proc or only for the 7 seconds of vendetta?

[rigid mango]

Bad

7 sec

[stuck knoll]

Better to look at grong though if you’re just looking at top logs it’s a lot of ss avuse

[rigid mango]

Stormwall/conc are good fights to look at for logs

[haughty lily]

I hate how the first 5 bosses of BoD you practically have to go SS

[inner tree]

well i tried to find the only "patchwerk" in the raid

[rigid mango]

Most of the time stormwall is patchwerk

[haughty lily]

Patchwork is stormwall

[rigid mango]

for melee so

[scarlet sequoia]

Why would 3 np be bad? It’s already good, it would only get stronger with vision of perfection?

[rigid mango]

Vision is bad

3np isn't bad

[inner tree]

true but mekka kinda is if you're lucky too

[fleet whale]

it's probably hard to get 3 np

[inner tree]

which the people in the top are

[hasty hamlet]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[fleet whale]

with how azerite gear is set up

[spice surge]

Vision major is fine

[haughty lily]

Mekka has so much downtime tbh I wouldn’t call that patchwork

[spice surge]

Vision minor is pretty bad

[scarlet sequoia]

The synergy with vision and 3 np would be worth tho?

[rigid mango]

No?

[arctic walrus]

conclave is the closest to patchwork tbh

[scarlet sequoia]

Why not

[rigid mango]

because vision is BAD

3 NP doesn't ave it

[fleet whale]

vision isn't that good... this isn't legion anymore

[rigid mango]

Having a minor doing quite litearlly fuck all

[fleet whale]

we don't need cdr stuff no more

[rigid mango]

Isn't good.

3NP isn't inherently bad

[inner tree]

on blockade

kinda close i guess

[rigid mango]

Vision is bad.

That's all

[arctic walrus]

This is my blockade and I played bad on this

[inner tree]

but it's true that 3NP could be better depending on the length of the fight

[haughty lily]

What’s the most optimal azerite for BoD? I’ve been running 3dd and 3 np but it’s annoying for half the raid cause everything is multi target. Should I just reforged and run 1ss 3dd 2np?

[fallow peak]

Any idea how often the proc on vision

[spice surge]

1 rppm

[rigid mango]

If you want the technically highest simming set

it's 3 dd 1 np bbi ttk 3 op