assassination

[hushed valley]

@faint harness is the redistributor a no go then or is it just a if you have a haste mmast card\

[sick cradle]

Sure, but for purposes of saving and upgrading benthic gear

[tropic ocean]

Theres no generalised answer

[raven mica]

Gearsets then

[faint harness]

I don't know Moonserf

[solid nova]

As it's different for everyone, there's no definitive answer. If you're looking for "generics" then your best bet is looking at herodamage or bloodmallet which uses set gear pieces

But it's inaccurate doing that

[rigid mango]

Crit/mast/haste are all close

It comes down to your stats

[tropic ocean]

U sim your top gear and eq ur best

[solid nova]

Far quicker to just run a sim and get an accurate answer

[rigid mango]

So, sim

[sick cradle]

and there I got an answer that helped, they're still all close

thanks

[solid nova]

Yes, but because they are all so close

Its more important to sim

[sick cradle]

yes

[tropic ocean]

Close?

[sick cradle]

But i didn't know if lucid made haste way less important

[solid nova]

Well Lucid gives you refunded energy costs

So it makes sense surely

[sick cradle]

yeah, but I haven't found the proc rate, could find it via detailed sim I guess

but depending on how much energy it gives, the worse haste becomes

[tardy jay]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[faint harness]

i had 1800 haste when i got lucid first week, it made haste become my worst secondary at the time. But things change all the time, just sim yourself and you'll be better off

[raven mica]

That’s also like

[tropic ocean]

My worst second stat

[raven mica]

A boat load of haste

[tropic ocean]

Is off 0.2 my best

[solid nova]

Like you can look at generic lists, but they wont help your individual toon

My stats and Ausgelebts are going to vary, as will ours from the next player etc

[tropic ocean]

And its the first time in ages versa is actualy good for me

[sick cradle]

sure, but I'm guessing that none of you have vers as your highest

nvm lol

[raven mica]

Kinda funny that all 3 of my secondaries were really close when I swapped to sin, and versa was like 400

[tropic ocean]

2nd highest

[solid nova]

Loads of people recently have said "Why is vers simming so high now"

[tropic ocean]

Vers is better than haste and crit for me atm

[solid nova]

Its 3rd for me

2nd for Ausge

and top for someone yesterday

Simming is the way fam

[tropic ocean]

And once u drop lucid will change again

[raven mica]

The life of a spec that scales off of every stat.

Is this how afflocks feel?

[strange python]

how to use the new mechagon red card trinket on use properlyy???

[tropic ocean]

I came to the conclusion i just sim every potential gear change

@strange python bind it to a button and press it

Buff it by versatility if you can

[raven mica]

Sins also bear the top of the statistics for like every raid tier

[faint harness]

someone should make a pin on the things the punchcard does

[raven mica]

This must be what afflocks feel.

[cobalt pelican]

you can just add essences you're interested in to your sim

[tropic ocean]

Stats are so poorly balanced

[faint harness]

Like the fact that you can keep using abilities while you're channeling the punchcard, that you can move and cast it etc etc

[tropic ocean]

On same classes main stat is dogshit

For us its decent

[solid nova]

Surely after your first/2nd use of the punchcard

I'd like to think people would realise they dont need to stand still and do nothing

[frigid briar]

Lol

[solid nova]

[faint harness]

yea but its not obvious that you can keep doing dmg

[frigid briar]

Nice try richard

[faint harness]

with other spells

[tropic ocean]

[solid nova]

[tropic ocean]

How long u been here richard you should know better

[frigid briar]

People dont even check pins

[royal lantern]

pins?

[frigid briar]

Only way is answering 5000 a day

[raven mica]

?

[solid nova]

Just going to have Moroes answer "Have you simmed yourself" to everything with a question mark

Cya later.

[raven mica]

I agree with this decision.

[royal lantern]

automatic message everytime somone has a message with a ?

[prisma monolith]

Have you simmed yourself?

[tropic ocean]

Hahahaha

[distant lava]

why didn't he answer me, it was important that I knew

[raven mica]

He did it!

[tropic ocean]

Some questions are just so hard to answer like

[solid nova]

[rigid mango]

[royal lantern]

do you love me richard?

[raven mica]

[tropic ocean]

pls keep your stuff in mage discord @solid nova

[solid nova]

Wouldn't be seen there anyway, see you in #wow-general

[tropic ocean]

🙋🏼‍♂️

[subtle aurora]

Hey guys for lucid essence, is there a quest to get r3?

[raven mica]

It’s an achievement

[subtle aurora]

Or do I just keep doing follower daily exp until 6k?

Ah ok

Meaning I just keep grinding xp?

6k more or another 3k?

Ahhh ok not so bad

Better than grinding 50k honor

[cobalt pelican]

do

BOTH

[rigid mango]

Or just do flame and not touch bote

[cobalt pelican]

do

ALL 3

[subtle aurora]

Noooooo

Rip alr farming

[quaint dagger]

Hows assassination performing in m+ currently compared to outlaw after the 8.2 nerfs?

[subtle aurora]

W/o lucid I feel energy starved on st :/

[frigid briar]

Lucid ftw

[cobalt pelican]

tbh blood3 is still better than flame3 as a major in my current gear

but i guess with flame you at least have neck level

probably a better grind long term

[rigid mango]

How about I cba?

flame until life

[obsidian ridge]

I don't think there's enough "feedback" on the 8.2 affix yet to certainly say which spec will do better for m+. I think outlaw is going to be stronger though just because the spec plays itself as if made for m+ content. endless stuns, can cheese mechanics with vanish without dps loss and so on

[cobalt pelican]

just use the island essence

ez

[subtle aurora]

Do we use bote on st?

[rigid mango]

if r3 yes

[subtle aurora]

Ah wait, 50k honour includes the 15k already farmed for r2 yea?

[faint harness]

yes

[subtle aurora]

Okie

[obsidian ridge]

if you're horde do the bgs as an alliance mercenary

[subtle aurora]

I'm alliance and I always lose 😦

[faint harness]

if you play horde on EU you get the 50% enlistment bonus if you queue as alliance which is the same amount of honor you gained during BG week

[obsidian ridge]

tbh while grinding the bgs it started to be fun at some point

[faint harness]

since the 2 didnt stack apparently

[frigid briar]

Only if 500000 people arent doing the same, sometimes its better to que as horde if its busy times

[subtle aurora]

Ashran lags my computer and makes me sleep 🤣

[frigid briar]

So check if you have 50% from your faction before you get buff

[subtle aurora]

OK thanks

[faint harness]

i've had it all the time so far

[frigid briar]

I did it during pvp event and had to switch it on and off every fre

Few*

[subtle aurora]

Eh so bote major, lucid and flame minor?

[mental obsidian]

https://prnt.sc/oazata

🤔

[frigid briar]

Thats when method and other big streamers was streaming it though so probs alot of people copying them ect

That ui makes me wanna puke

[faint harness]

why did you make it so big

conserve screen space

[obsidian ridge]

May I ask what kind of hands you have to be able to use shadowstep on 9?

[crisp steppe]

@mental obsidian make sure you have similar abilities in similar spots. defensives next to defensives etc

[mental obsidian]

im legally blind

my UI is perfect

[crisp steppe]

no

[mental obsidian]

yes

[crisp steppe]

what I just pointed out is already wrong with it

[frigid briar]

I dont even use a keyboard nowdays apart from straff left and right

[mental obsidian]

just cause u play like that, dosent mean it s a must to keep defensives next to each other

[crisp steppe]

its better

don't be silly

[mental obsidian]

i was just poinitng out my spells are fked, as in i have garrote as outlaw

[frigid briar]

Why are you running outlaw finisher as assassin?

New meta

[cobalt pelican]

bote will only be a relevant st essence till week 4 (?) of the raid when people get their hands on life force

[mental obsidian]

cause I changed specs and it messed up

[cobalt pelican]

unless changes happen

so whether the grind is worth it for that is up 2 you and if you might use it somewhere else

[frigid briar]

Life force week 4 yeag riiiiiiggghhht

More like week 66 for me

Never lucky

[obsidian ridge]

bote is probably going to be really good in mythic+

[frigid briar]

This is the plan

[cobalt pelican]

it's a guaranteed drop, no?

so 3 normal, 3 heroic

• 1, 2 mythic depending on your guild

27 required for rank 3 which is where it pulls ahead by quite a distance

[obsidian ridge]

which boss drops the reagents again?

[faint harness]

4 last right

[frigid briar]

Lucid ST till lifeforce
Blood AoE

Lurker trinket
Mecha punch card

GG to victory

[cobalt pelican]

all of the nagas

[faint harness]

[cobalt pelican]

so 3,6,8?

[frigid briar]

Is it gaurenteed drop?

[faint harness]

radiance, queens court and azshara drops it

[cobalt pelican]

i think it's just a guaranteed raid drop to time gate the essence

but i'm not 100% sure

[frigid briar]

Blizz usually dont like 100% drops, they pref like 1% cos rng is fun

[cobalt pelican]

that's what i've assumed

[frigid briar]

Ive no idea, never thought about it tbh

Lucid ftw anyways, feels amazing to play with

Feels》DPS

[cobalt pelican]

i've kinda gotten used to the slow feeling so lucid makes me more annoyed than not annoyed

every energy wasted is 1 tear

[steep obsidian]

😐

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[potent stone]

!essence

[shy axle]

How did you change your pooling behaviour with lucid? How do you do it now? wait for 80e to finish with env? Or are you trying to time it with EB buff? Or just hammering, whatever as long as you do not cap cp and energie?

[cobalt pelican]

around the minor you generally don't have to change much as long as you're paying attention, outside of lust even if you get half of something back you aren't gaining energy fast enough to overcap without reacting

the major is uhh.. press your buttons aggressively

the harder the better

[carmine lynx]

quick question is raidbots ( namely top gear ) broken or not functioning properly?

[solid nova]

Nope, works fine

[stable yarrow]

Is Cyclotronic Blast simming correctly? It's simming almost 2k lower than 415 kimbuls

or is it just bad

[carmine lynx]

i'm asking because i simmed myself 10 minutes ago for 33.4k and now it changed all my gems and enchants and items and goes to 30k only , doing the same exact sim and using the same setting as the one before

[solid nova]

Can you link the sim/sims

[shy axle]

@cobalt pelican thanks man, but that does not really answer it tough. That is clear, nothing to ask about. Just wanted to know if you are prio env buff/eb buff or nothing and hammering it because you gain that much energy. You never get an answer for that haha

[cobalt pelican]

you don't change the way you play at all, so you will still play to fit as much energy into envenom that you can

the refunds aren't enough to blend those windows together

the windows are more frequent, though

[carmine lynx]

nvm i found the problem I was simming with the wrong essence , due to changing lucid to bote for BG's my bad ...

[solid nova]

Yup 😄

[hushed valley]

So I came back ~1mo ago. Began to do catchup and by chance have gotten far better gear for OL. I prefer Sin for raiding and OL for m+. Are there any real notable traits to grab or should I just stack as much no and or dd as I can

Np*

My understanding is ss is less important in raid than m+

[rigid mango]

SS is the best cleave traiut you have

[tribal marlin]

you really want 3xDD for ST

it have even more value than it already has with lucid dream

[glass trench]

hey guys is there a list for the benthic stuff?

[rigid mango]

[glass trench]

k ty 😄

sry

iam shit

[carmine valve]

3x DD and 3x NP is best for ST?

or can u go 3x DD and 1x SS 1x NP 1x TTK. ?

[crisp steppe]

Sim bro

U wont have access to everything regardless

[carmine valve]

I guess my second line it is then

[shy axle]

the "BiS" St setup prior to Ep was 3x DD/1xNP/1xBB/1xTK. The OP trait has some yalue too

value

for St you don`t want SS, but you can still use it with a relativly small dps loss

[scenic nacelle]

@shy axle Ep as in elaborate planning?

[sullen pagoda]

thats for ST bosses but you still want SS traits for cleave bosses which are usually like half in a raid

[rigid mango]

Eternal palace

[empty badge]

3 DD 3 NP is the way to go

[rigid mango]

[dense quail]

yo ! so how much are you guys siming atm ?

[rigid mango]

3 DD 1 ttk np bbi 3 OP is better 😄

[sullen pagoda]

yeah

in the end

[dense quail]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nKNkvjxMV2ojhvT7xkk1zx can you get better trait than this ?

[rigid mango]

if they aint the ones I just said

[sullen pagoda]

@dense quail did u try simming flame as major instead of blood

[dense quail]

I didn't sim minor trait right !

[sullen pagoda]

ur sim is barely higher than mine with no 55 https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/b6cTpUmY5nWcz57y3vmkh4

[dense quail]

nvm

U talking about essence

[sullen pagoda]

ye

[dense quail]

Yeah I did

[rigid mango]

just about

1k more

[sullen pagoda]

ive seen someone link like 35-36k yday

34k doesnt seem high idk

[rigid mango]

32 is fine

35-36 and ur in big leagues

34*

[faint harness]

How many sockets do you have mtvcribs

like 6-7

thats all there is to it

[sullen pagoda]

ye im not bad in that department

really unlucky with weapons tho

[solid nova]

+3 sockets on him

Thats yuge

[sullen pagoda]

base weapons whole tier

[tired citrus]

What potion are you using

[solid nova]

World of Sockets

[hearty junco]

I simmed like 32 or something, i did however come top of 3 on some bosses yesterday!

[solid nova]

I mean

[stable yarrow]

wish punch card was simming correctly

[solid nova]

Sim dps doesnt directly relate to raid performance

[rigid mango]

^

[sullen pagoda]

ye

[rigid mango]

U can sim 36k and still do fuckall

[sullen pagoda]

you need to garrote one garrote two garrote three for that raid performance

[faint harness]

full ST blast watchu mean

[sullen pagoda]

ye our GM marking me for melee group on stormwall and i go "YO im padding the adds mark someone else"

[tiny arrow]

Anyone know best timing to use cyc blast?

[faint harness]

opener

[solid nova]

Punchcards and Cyc blast arent simming correctly right? Or are they

P sure cards arent

[tiny arrow]

So garrote-muti-rupt-cyc blsat- Normal CD rotation?

[faint harness]

they are not being used in sims atm

[stable yarrow]

@solid nova cyc blast isnt working at all

[faint harness]

so they do 0 dmg

[solid nova]

Ah thought so, merci

[faint harness]

some guy was doing his own sims tho with "use mechagon trinket" command or something

and said it was simming right below azshara trinket

[stable yarrow]

[solid nova]

I'll wait for the people with the knowledge to give the data out tbh

[faint harness]

same, just cute

[tiny arrow]

100% gonna be nerfed it it's that good

[frigid briar]

I have the knowledge

Your DPS is fate, if RNGesus looks on you well you do good.

[atomic saddle]

"something's not quite right..."

[vagrant tapir]

cyc blast?

[tiny arrow]

Revered Rustbolt red card: Cyclotronic Blast

[carmine valve]

Im having hard time trying to line up in a way where I dont have to refresh Rupture in TB

[rigid mango]

You can rupture before pandemic

if it means tb window is clean

[carmine valve]

But as im hitting target dummy, I end up where I either have to hold of using TB and refresh rupture, or use rupture in tb

[tiny arrow]

just rupture before the TB window

[carmine valve]

even if its 15+ sec?

[rigid mango]

15+??

[carmine valve]

isnt 8 sec the pandemic

[tiny arrow]

If you have it up for 15sec, it can lsat the TB window

[rigid mango]

Just rupture so that you don't need to refresh it

during tb

that's all

[mental obsidian]

will we use any of the rep essences? or can I stop grinding rep

[faint harness]

i heard rustbolt essence for m+

as minor*

6 min heroic uunat fight

blaster trinket

[tiny arrow]

What dps did it do?

[quasi pewter]

damn not bad

[faint harness]

1500 dps for the use effect

[tiny arrow]

Insane

[faint harness]

and i got low vers

2% vers

it scales quite well with vers actually

[onyx rock]

Rupture dmg to low. You need to pad harder !!!

[faint harness]

was doing it with boomkin and destro warlock guildies, those adds didnt live long

[onyx rock]

Yeah i am just joking

Trinket dmg looks nice

[faint harness]

the cast time is giga fast during lust as well

[spice surge]

I've heard it doesnt activate the cd of other trinkets too

[crisp steppe]

oh word?

thats cool

I'm enjoying it a lot while WQing huge burst

[faint harness]

yea im using 2 activation trinkets with it

[crisp steppe]

can imagine it sees some use in the raid too

[spice surge]

Lurkers is still slightly better (or well, depends on ilvl)

[faint harness]

you run it with lurkers

[spice surge]

But since you dont have to choose

For some reason 🤷

Its just from revered yeah?

[faint harness]

y

so if you want to try something else its easy to just buy another one

210 gold

[cobalt gyro]

whys everyone saying anything "good" is getting nerfed recently

inscription trinket is decent

[marble hemlock]

because most of these are good because of mechanics that arent consistent with the rest of the game

[cobalt gyro]

"yeah it'll be nerfed"
cyclo is decent and not simming correctly
"itll be nerfed"

[marble hemlock]

i.e. cyclo not incurring the on-use cd like any other on-use trinket

[oak pilot]

cyclo already got removed from arenas

[cobalt gyro]

well ya it pretty much 1 shots

makes sense

[faint harness]

hmm

its "only" 60k dmg per use in pvp

[cobalt gyro]

wait so you can use double on use with it, now that one i didn't know

[marble hemlock]

people have just grown cycnical, because most things that are pretty good are good because of design flaws or implementation flaws

[oak pilot]

"only" 60k meanwhile a boomie surges twices at the same time while channel goes on

[faint harness]

I keep saying it, but i didnt know it. You can also just keep attacking while the channel is going on.

[tribal marlin]

xD yesterday I told my self "ok imma do some maths for that punchcard tomorrow"

some guys did the math before me looks like

[cobalt gyro]

well i think the attacking while it's being channeled is kinda required tbh

[faint harness]

Hmm

if they remove that you could say its balanced

[cobalt gyro]

no it would be useless

[faint harness]

yes

so balanced in blizz eyes

[oak pilot]

It's still +150k in PvE?

[faint harness]

yes

[tribal marlin]

actually the maths are great : around 160k / 120sec + 400 secondary stat

[faint harness]

even more so with vers

i pair it with plum, 980 vers on use

[oak pilot]

Nasty 😄

[faint harness]

which bumps it up to 27k

per tick

[tribal marlin]

tthe fact is that 400 secondary actually worth a hell lot of damage

compare to 400 primary

[faint harness]

yes

got 298 haste and 93 mastery or something on mine

big stats

[cobalt gyro]

even better you can effectively pick which one you want

[tribal marlin]

I deleted my 404 haste/crit for a 424 crit/versa thinking imma never use it as assa xD

what a mistake

[marble hemlock]

the on-use is already ahead of most dmg-proc or use trinkets, and the secondary stats are worth way more than primary stat these days

only trinkets that have a chance at competing with it rn are trinkets with a socket

[cobalt gyro]

maybe non-socketed trinkets if you don't have a good yellow punchcard for it

[turbid zealot]

is this about the customizable trinket?

[arctic walrus]

If cyclo scales with vers, couldn't you run plume and pop both

[faint harness]

yes

[sullen pagoda]

@tribal marlin vers is almost my top simming stat as assa

[faint harness]

which is what im doing

[marble hemlock]

the new scaling on dmg procs and everything will push vers above all other stats

[tribal marlin]

mine is crit because I wear boots

[marble hemlock]

its kinda dumb

[tribal marlin]

with standards boots I have haste really high

[sullen pagoda]

wearing boots should devalue crit tho not increase

[tribal marlin]

it increase it a hell lot

[sullen pagoda]

are you using Lucid?

haste dropped insanely with lucid

[tribal marlin]

with standards boots -> around 3.97 for crit

with crit boots -> 4.5 for crit

[arctic walrus]

Boots definitely don't devalue crit

[tribal marlin]

no I use BotE Major + Lucid minor

[cobalt gyro]

lucid dropped haste to just above agility for me

instead of competing with mastery

[faint harness]

i've found its only lucid major that does that

[tribal marlin]

wierd for me it remain my best stat just under crit but the boots value crit a lot

3% crit damage is huge

[sullen pagoda]

yeah for me its https://i.imgur.com/9DFT4mN.png and i got boots too

[cobalt gyro]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9wUD1gxVsijMCrYc7vqBam

[tribal marlin]

wow do you play with like Shrouded ?

[sullen pagoda]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/b6cTpUmY5nWcz57y3vmkh4 nah MA

[tribal marlin]

maybe it's the punchcard

[faint harness]

it doesnt work yet

[tribal marlin]

wait imma do a sim in 5mn

[faint harness]

in sims

[tribal marlin]

ok ok

[sullen pagoda]

maybe its cuz i got lucid as major also

no 55 traits yet

[tribal marlin]

maybe my Gift's is devaluing mastery

[faint harness]

lots of factors that play into that

the only consistent thing i've found is that lucid major devalues haste slightly

[elfin valley]

im curious when yall think is a good time to pop the trinket (using MA/TB)

after that first TB window?

[faint harness]

before everything

[tribal marlin]

no juste before Rupture

Garote -> mutilate -> punchcard -> rupture

[marble hemlock]

the way the trinket works, is that you cast it for ~1.5sec, and then you channel the damage. during the damage you can continue using abilities

[elfin valley]

yeah i get that

[faint harness]

its like 1 GCD

during bloodlust the cast time is substantially lower

[marble hemlock]

the trinket cannot crit

[elfin valley]

so th ideal situation is what @tribal marlin said?

[marble hemlock]

so it doesnt matter when you pop it, the only thing that matters is that you wanna pop it late enough that the 1-2gcds it takes to cast it during which you cannot use abilities, you dont overcap

[spice surge]

Even if it could it wouldnt be affected by MA

[tribal marlin]

you juste pop it on cd ideally just before vendetta I guess

[marble hemlock]

none of our modifiers affect the damage

[oak pilot]

Stoopid question. Is there any info about the vision of perfection proccing Nothing Personal?

[tribal marlin]

I mean just before vnedetta so you don't waste a global in vendetta

[cobalt gyro]

it was on ptr, but since no one can get it on live yet we have no idea if it changed @oak pilot

[elfin valley]

and simc is incorrect for the trinket as of right now right?

[tribal marlin]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9E2JC6eAcKA4MjYgizAcMu

[faint harness]

simc is not even using the trinket atm, its doing 0 dmg in the logs

[tribal marlin]

without boots crit is at like 4.0

[faint harness]

there is a command to make it use the trinket tho

(which i cant remember now)

[oak pilot]

Cheers @cobalt gyro

[faint harness]

actions.cds+=/use_item,name=pocketsized_computation_device

think its this one

[cobalt gyro]

i tried that but it didn't do anything for it

[elfin valley]

interesting

[tribal marlin]

is the trinket implemetend in simc at least

because if it is not you won't be able to sim even with the command

[faint harness]

yes

it is

you just need to use the client

not raidbots

[marble hemlock]

its still gonna use the secondaries the trinket provides, and using it on cd is ~1.2k dps

[spice surge]

You can do that on advanced in raidbots if you want

[elfin valley]

so we add this command in the bottom in APL?

[faint harness]

its showing 1.5k dps on my logs from ydays raid

when using it

on CD

[cobalt gyro]

apparently optimization is crazy too

[elfin valley]

thanks for the info guys

[marble hemlock]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/i23JmBXzSymSQmZzoFfQ8J

[ember viper]

does vision still proc nothing personal and if so are sims modeling that correctly?

[marble hemlock]

jsut add ~1.2k (worst case where the fight ends right as the CD comes back up) and you can compare it to regular trinket sims

[rigid mango]

@ember viper yes it procs np but only for 7 sec ish

and yes

it's bad for ST

[ember viper]

ahh i see, thanks

[cobalt gyro]

https://i.imgur.com/VSHvyXo.png

optimization is lmao

[lone junco]

@cobalt gyro looks like a nice trinket vanish Ma round.

60crit 64 mastery 24 vers will bang pretty hard.

[simple meteor]

juice openers

[cobalt gyro]

well if you arrange your stats to proc the stats you want you can make it pretty giga

[lone junco]

just not sure if the TB goes in the high mastery no crit or prior to the trinket

[cobalt gyro]

this is proc'ing versa/mastery because i have high mastery/versa and lower of everything else

[lone junco]

i guess vanish tb env mut env is still best.

I thought it was based on the stats of your yellow card.

[cobalt gyro]

is it?

hmm

[lone junco]

check. your yellow should be high mastery low vers

[arctic walrus]

Yeah the yellow card stats

[cobalt gyro]

https://i.imgur.com/pPTMJmL.png

looks like it

[lone junco]

yep

[cobalt gyro]

that's pretty giga either way

[lone junco]

and, probably bis for the MA round

[cobalt gyro]

this character's a monk so it gives no shits about haste

[molten walrus]

sorry to interrupt, but what's the addon that shows you % on the trinket?

[cobalt gyro]

advanced tooltips

[molten walrus]

thanks!

[vestal carbon]

Hey what are going to be the top trinkets for m+?

[cobalt gyro]

says it for every stat on items

[tribal marlin]

oh damn it's crazy

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/duFDBX5FGNnshimLdNbbUg

1k more with the trink

[arctic walrus]

Will it be better than a 420 socket kimbuls though 🤔

[faint harness]

is that even a question

[strange python]

which trinket you guys talking about?

[faint harness]

cyclotronic blast

[arctic walrus]

I need pearls so bad, I have boots and bracers just can't upgrade them

[lone junco]

@tribal marlin trinket + MA might cap you at 100% crit

[tribal marlin]

how btw if you try to do some advanced simulation importing in-game string with simc add-on

you need to make sure you remove the "#" before azerite_essences in the import string

[lone junco]

I wonder if lower crit yellow card would be beetter for sin

might check your statd during a /trinket vanish. see if crit goes to like 115% or something.

[tribal marlin]

why would it

I don't have 50% crit even with that punchcard + high BotE stacks

[lone junco]

sounds good.

Ive seen people with 66% crit without MA. just havent messed with the Card trinket yet on my rogue.

[strange python]

is that trinket gonna be legit

[faint harness]

why wouldnt it

its just a trinket

[strong sundial]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/

[lone junco]

It has no agi.

[strange python]

haven't compared it to the raid trinkets

[lone junco]

hope it has a niche use though.

[strange python]

yeah that too

but agi is a meh stat anyways if it goes a fuck load of secondary

[cobalt gyro]

no agi makes it better

especially with being able to pick the 400 of whatever stats

[rocky berry]

what's the max haste we gonna go for

[faint harness]

why would you want agi on it

[cobalt gyro]

i'd only want agi on it if i got a fuckload of it

[strange python]

you sim

and if haste is not top stat

then you go for the thing that is top

[lone junco]

I guess budget for budget no agi means other stuff is higher.

[cobalt gyro]

stack what your sim tells you

[faint harness]

I sim 34k with the trinket and its not even using the thing on it

[lone junco]

anyway, its neat to take high haste for overall spec. and trinket it into high mastery, during a vanish that gives you 50% crit

thats the best synergy I could imagine.

as far as stat shuffles go

[silver zenith]

Soon™

[faint harness]

[cobalt gyro]

i don't think this is proccing as often as it says on wowhead

@lone junco also apparently it's bugged

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/266347012524474368/596716957919608834/unknown-39.png

[lone junco]

yikes with Parry/block on prot pally as well.

get crushed.

[cobalt gyro]

it definitely means be care ful using this with any type of stat procs

[arctic walrus]

Imagine your OP stacks getting redistributed

[cobalt gyro]

ya. exactly.

[lone junco]

lets see. hpal, If I gear for high haste and glimmer spread, then trinket into high Vers it would pump the ticks.

[cobalt gyro]

popping lurkers and then the trinket falling off

[lone junco]

@cobalt gyro I was actually thinking about MA crit getting redistributed.

[cobalt gyro]

so you have negative mastery

MA doesn't give you crit rating

[lone junco]

thats good. would be a huge value pumped into mastery or what not.

Id rather keep the 0crit +50% crit

[cobalt gyro]

it doesn't even add 50% to your sheet crit

[arctic walrus]

How many ilvls does each manapearl upgrade give

[cobalt gyro]

15 for the first upgrade

then 5 per

[stable yarrow]

wut

oh nvm xd

[arctic walrus]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vbKA7zoQXnTrQ5mjbx2bE7

Shit i just realized I rolled the wrong wrists

I thought I was all set lmao

[stable yarrow]

dat belt =/

[sick pasture]

Hey what benthic pices do we want, I have the boots

[stable yarrow]

Frost dmg wrists and abberation belt

[hollow stone]

Is the phys dmg belt any good or nawwww?

I know the pins and abberation one is rec. just curious

[hidden plinth]

@arctic walrus but you have the right belt or?

[arctic walrus]

I was pretty impatient and this belt was a big upgrade over my old one, so I upgraded instead of rerolling for abberation one

Although I do have the one I need in my bags now

[hollow stone]

Is that the phys dmg one? Raidbots on mobile is hella cringe

[arctic walrus]

I'll sim it rq

[stable yarrow]

phys dmg one sims higher but abberation one will be huge on the 2 bosses

i dont think raidbots adds the bonus abberation dmg?

[cobalt gyro]

it does if you change the race of the target

[arctic walrus]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8qnxgxiiCga7jj6E5MVLu2

<1% so like eh

[stable yarrow]

@cobalt gyro where do u change that on raidbots?

[hollow stone]

Fair

Yea. I know the abber one will almost def be bis for those bosses. But there's other bosses too afaik

[arctic walrus]

Any good way to farm pearls?

[strange python]

rares

[urban junco]

Rares and Algans

[hollow stone]

Careful, channel police gon getcha

[urban junco]

^

[arctic walrus]

Any good way to farm pearls as an assassination rogue?

[tropic ocean]

lol'd

yeah put your bleeds on the mobs and then envenom with 4+cp

[hollow stone]

Dont forget leeching

Op

[arctic walrus]

Oh yeah that's big

ty for this spec specific advice

[hollow stone]

Tbh, i think the best way is to just grind on alts as well and mail em over. Your alts need to be sin rogues too.........

😏

[simple meteor]

playing x3 ss x3 eb plus healing trinket from crucible for farm

[tropic ocean]

u can send the pearls?

[spice surge]

No, but you can send the gear tokens

[hollow stone]

Just swap constantly, i use my m+ gear for kill x mobs stuff to aoe down and then swap to st for those big rares

[tropic ocean]

well dont need 😄

[spice surge]

Well sure if you got all pieces with a socket already you dont need it

[simple meteor]

yeah same pretty much applejuice

[hollow stone]

Its like 220? (Confirmation required) to get benthic from 385 to 425. Thats over 600 just to upgrade 3 pieces. You musta gone suuuuuuuper hard on pearls. Dang

[cobalt gyro]

you get a lot passively from dailies

[simple meteor]

yeap just got my wrist 425 now need to farm for rest

[hollow stone]

I mean, i did dailies every day since launch and some additional stuff and was still only at like 350

[simple meteor]

atleast now with flying will be hella faster

[hollow stone]

Didnt hard grind rares

Yea

[scenic saffron]

!essences

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[severe wasp]

Anyone have much experience with undulating tides?

I got it on some shoulders last night and it seems pretty good

[hollow stone]

It does seem pretty good. But no firsthand experience here

[severe wasp]

It was doing about 4.8k per hit and about 4 hits on a single enemy in naz

I just haven't seen it on any guides is why I was asking

[hollow stone]

Yea. It def seems like a good alternative but when it comes to st raid set ups, you gotta consider the 3rd traits too. I havent planned out "bis" az from raid so idk if theres a viable piece when we're talking true highest potential sim dps

Its definitely good tho

[severe wasp]

The shield it gives is nice too. Only like 40k but still nice

[hollow stone]

If i had to guess, we're probably looking at the same 3 az pieces as last tier

With the new dd np helm

Dd np op

[severe wasp]

I got vendetta,undulating,overwhelming

[hollow stone]

Meaning at most you could only have 2 dd

Which is.... probably bad

All feely atm tho

[severe wasp]

3 np 2 dd 1 undulating

[hollow stone]

Yea. Not ideal

[severe wasp]

2 op 1 gut is what I have

[hollow stone]

Definitely not bad, just not ideal

[severe wasp]

I'm only simming 25k at 404

Is that about right?

[hollow stone]

Couldnt tell ya

Way too many factors to consider

[severe wasp]

True

[hollow stone]

404 w 10 sockets is probably like 420 without sockets, just to show how much it can jump around

[severe wasp]

I did just get crit boots but haven't upgraded yet

[arctic walrus]

It's not about what you sim but what you are actually doing in raid/dungeons

[urban junco]

^

[hollow stone]

Well yea. But if you wanted accurate sims youd want to kill yourself cause youd have to sim per boss, accounting for mechanics, blah blah

It would be terrible

[severe wasp]

I do have a question though. Should I use vendetta as much as possible in dungeons? Or always hold it for boss priority target?

[hollow stone]

Im not saying on cd, but im not saying not on cd

You want it up for bosses

As long as it will be up before the boss, use it

[severe wasp]

I always gave it for boss but I feel like I'm losing out by not using it more

Especially since I'm using 3 np

[hollow stone]

I know youre just starting up the gearing but you really need another set for dungeons

Np and dd are trash tier

[arctic walrus]

If you're not gonna be fighting a boss in the next 2 minutes use it

[obsidian cipher]

Anyone using cyclotronic blast?

[severe wasp]

What should I use in dungeons. And sorry for the noobness

Just trying to get better and more familiar

[fair blaze]

Depends on what role are you suppose to fill in your team comp

If you are starting, the 3 SS 3 EB build is pretty good for aoe dmg

[amber quail]

Is essence macrable with vendetta?

[severe wasp]

We do t really set roles

[fair blaze]

But when you start going higher and your team comp will lack for priority dmg on thrash

[severe wasp]

We just go in and kill stuff lol

[fair blaze]

The build that Seliathan goes is pretty strong

[rigid mango]

Just build any mix of ttk/eb/ss

and you'll be well off

You need one EB and one SS minimum

Rest are flexible depending on what role you fill in the comp/dungeon

[amber quail]

3xttk-2xeb-1xss

[ornate herald]

would you guys go eb/ttk/ss on tyran?

[rigid mango]

Yes, that's a mix of eb/ttk/ss

What else?

On tyran you just cut down to 1/2 eb and pump rest into ttk/ss

In niche situations 1 np can be worth it, but I don't think it's generally recommended

[amber quail]

Ttk is set on 3x

[rigid mango]

hm?

[amber quail]

Always, but Jon play something about 37crit-6haste-40mast...or something

[rigid mango]

Always what

[amber quail]

I tryied to find pieces, but had half gear. So went 3xEB 3xSS

[rigid mango]

I'm so confused what you're saying.

[ornate herald]

Are they ever going to let us change traits w/ tomes?

[amber quail]

Seliathan grar

[rigid mango]

No they wont

Probably

[amber quail]

I followed him in S2

[ornate herald]

my bag space is suffering

[rigid mango]

Yeah what's your point AsK

Idk what you mean with ttk is always set at 3x

[amber quail]

XD only apreciate him

No particolare point. I find his way to play amazing

That’s all

[rigid mango]

Stil

what does "ttk is set on 3x" mean

[scenic saffron]

So which benthic gear between the feet,wrist and waist is the most busted one ? Going to start rolling for sockets

[rigid mango]

feet>wrists>waist

[amber quail]

Him play with 3 azerite trait of Twisting the knife

All time

[rigid mango]

Yes, a lot of the time he does

[amber quail]

In fortified and tyrannical

[rigid mango]

But not always, he changes his builds quite frequently

He normally ran 3eb later in the season to keep up with outlaws

but also did stuff like 3ss 1 ttk bbi eb for Tyr KR keys

[amber quail]

Mostly him use what i wrote 3xTtk-2xEb-1xSs

[rigid mango]

Uhhh

Depends when you watched him

He often used 3 EB later on

[amber quail]

Well, may e i see him mostly with that setup. Peace

[tropic ocean]

XD

think he mostly use 3 eb 2 ttk 1 ss

due to headpiece iwth ttk has bad 3rd ring trait

[rigid mango]

also just to go 3 eb to keep up w outlaw pad

:^)

[tropic ocean]

think 3 ttk would be nice but iirc the only piece is opulence helm

and the 3rd ring traits are bad

[rigid mango]

The only piece w ttk on helm?

I'm pretty sure there're 1/2 more

[tropic ocean]

with a good combo

of ttk/ss/eb

[rigid mango]

aye

There's a couple more

[tropic ocean]

oh no

fh helm

is good actually

eb ttk op or ss ttk op

[rigid mango]

Irontide and flashpowder

One is SS/EB + TTK, the other TTK + EB

Irontide has OP, flashpowder has flames I suppose?

[tropic ocean]

op 2 strong

[rigid mango]

Irontide is just a nutty helm

🙏

[amber quail]

Anyone knows if is possibile to made essence in macro with vendetta?

[strange python]

No point

Essences are gcd locked

[amber quail]

Ty

[tropic ocean]

think the nly option for new trait will be helmet

and need to use NP in shoulders then :<

[simple meteor]

what's the new trait?

[tropic ocean]

it gives u flat mastery and mastery per person also wearing the trait up to 527 in mythic iirc

if someone dies u gain haste crit versa equal to buff u had

[cobalt gyro]

double on use trinket

is fucking hilarious

https://i.imgur.com/k7As4nJ.png

[ripe nimbus]

Be quiet dude ur gonna get the trinket nerfed

[cobalt pelican]

i still don't know what i'm doing with profs

[strange python]

Which trinket @cobalt gyro

[cobalt pelican]

i was gonna do lw engi but i guess the crit boots wil lalways be better

and if there's a helm that mitebcool

i'm LOST

[cobalt gyro]

cyclo and lurker's

[strange python]

Cyclo?

[strange python]

Ah this one

How do you open with these

[cobalt gyro]

i mean i just did normal opener with them macro'd togehter

[ripe nimbus]

Id say there's a high chance the benthic gear gets nerfed and LW will be a fine choice still

[strange python]

They share 30s cd tho?

[ripe nimbus]

No

U can use both lol

[simple meteor]

nop that's why busted

[strange python]

Hotfix Inc

Hi what essences we are playling in raid enviroment? Anyone know that ?

[nimble tartan]

what’s the best way to get tittyforged punchcards

[tropic ocean]

[cobalt gyro]

hard to say what ppl are using for raid

when raid comes out next week

[distant lava]

but odo we're supposed to know wdym

we are paid to researh on ptr

wait

[ripe nimbus]

Imma use ripple of space so I can pretend to be a mage

[distant lava]

we're not

[tropic ocean]

well you will use what you get to rank3

flame/lucid

[nimble tartan]

yeah I cba with blood bro

[strange python]

Same

[distant lava]

I've been oscillating between I can't do it and I can

[strange python]

Got crucible and lucid rank 2 and gonna use em

[balmy cradle]

Did it in bonus honor week and im really glad i did

[nimble tartan]

I got rank 2 😃

It’s not that bad u get like 700 honor per bg win in merc mode

[simple meteor]

last week was ez for r3 now I don't see it worth for people to farm

[balmy cradle]

Friend of mine just got rank 4 of blood on first sunday yikes...

[nimble tartan]

We won like every bg the other day too horse are trash

[simple meteor]

but I like it so much on islands

[strange python]

How much honor do you get per pvp island?

[tropic ocean]

once we unlock all essences

I guess it will be something like life force major lucid minor bote minor or smth

but thats just my personal estimate

[winter moss]

Is this #wow-general?

[simple meteor]

i just spam islands for ap just using bote didn't farm islands for honor

[cobalt gyro]

man sin feels sooooooooo good with lucid and deeper

[rich wren]

yup

[simple meteor]

how much haste you have?

[cobalt gyro]

25%

[strange python]

Lucid as minor you mean?

[cobalt gyro]

lucid in general

i don't have two slots right now so

[strange python]

I got 55neck today but not sure what to put in major

Probably lucid

[night prawn]

Is deeper viable with lucid?

[simple meteor]

i use lucid and bote swaping them around for aoe and st

[rich wren]

maybe

[cobalt gyro]

depends if it sims better or not

[strange python]

My bote is lvl1

[simple meteor]

blood sims better for major for me at 2+ targets

but mine is r3 and lucid r2

[ripe nimbus]

Even at 700 honor per BG that's 71 battlegrounds of pure nope lol

[tropic ocean]

can u use 2x same minor?

[lone junco]

@cobalt gyro Double on use is fun. Now it comes down to raw stat gain per click for the other trinket

Sounds like GCB would be on the table. cause the haste is big and snaps.

Mastery ramp from the Lurker might cap higher, but will make for a smaller vanish peak.

[tropic ocean]

^?

mastery doesn't ramp up on lurkers

[lone junco]

doesnt it?

[tropic ocean]

only the dmg ramps up

not the mastery

[lone junco]

thought the buff stacks

ah

is the lurker mastery peak higher than an equiv GCB haste?

[hot hill]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[lone junco]

my web blocker is up at work, so only going off memory

more like Homr

[nimble tartan]

😳

[lone junco]

I keed. hows your neck grind going? much fun best game ever?

[cobalt pelican]

galecallers gives much more haste than lurkers give mastery but only lasts 10 sec

[lone junco]

MA only lasts 3s

but I can see that numbers would matter for a bit.

[tropic ocean]

the mastery gives flat dmg

which you want in burst window

also its 3x as long

[cobalt pelican]

it's just just short of 1500 haste at 410 for galecallers, lurkers is like 933 at the same ilvl

[nimble tartan]

I’m like 54 neck dude

I’m a casual

[lone junco]

Big haste converted into Biggest mastery.

[cobalt pelican]

same dude

[tropic ocean]

with essence and np u dont have resource issue so

mastery big big

i open with 100k+ and I don't have neck 55

[lone junco]

Right. So you would vendetta GC. /Trinket TB Vanish Env mut env.

[tropic ocean]

vanish>tb>mut>envenom

[lone junco]

prob. with the 0crit +50% its a gamble.

[tropic ocean]

tb vanish env mut env ccan go higher

but it will make u want to throw keyboard out of your window

when mut doesnt crit

[lone junco]

so you stacking DD/TTK then for the Biggest vanish round right? inc 220k env crits.

[tropic ocean]

no

[lone junco]

bang bang bang

[tropic ocean]

with current gear 3 dd 1 np 1 bbi 1ttk

but that might change with new raid items

[lone junco]

BBI proc would make heavy mastery with trinket

I like the way that slides.

[tropic ocean]

bbi procs crit ho

tho*

xD

[lone junco]

Still slides to mastery with mech trinket

[tropic ocean]

just fromlooking at the items and if m+ items dont change with season start

[ripe nimbus]

Yah cause people use that xD

[tropic ocean]

I highly think we will use new raid helmet, gorakt uls and cephalohide

[lone junco]

would be rng luck to get that but it if procs on open youll have a Monster vanish at t= 5sc

[cobalt pelican]

probably yeah

2nd to last boss means probably goggles groaks ceph for prog which is

depressing

[tropic ocean]

😄

i wonder if the secondary part on new trait stacks too

so if u wear it 2x u get 2x the buff from allies

cuz I guess that'd outvalue having op on shoulders

[azure sluice]

any one have Gearing guide for bis 8,2

[lone junco]

@cobalt pelican bloodlust haste conversion is big.

lol if you have a cancelaura macro that clicks off trinket a few sec after the vanish round.

so you pump out MASSIVE opener, then click it off to conserve your bloodlust.

holy shit,

[cobalt pelican]

that trinket confuses my brain too much

[rigid mango]

a lot of dleete

[lone junco]

thats fun

yeah. saving that for myself

[rigid mango]

hm?

[short jacinth]

How does the conversion mechanic actually work on that trink?

[lone junco]

takes your stats. adds them up. and redistributes based on your yellow card.

then the other 2 become 0

So your yellow Mastery/Vers card means you will wind up with 0 haste. Huge mastery, medium vers, 0 crit

which. during vendetta you dont need haste.

[short jacinth]

So sum total of all secondary stats

[lone junco]

and during MA you dont need crit.

[livid hull]

cyclotronic is the only viable red card

[lone junco]

thats probably true for overall fight average dps

but i want to see a 300k env.

I keed.

but not really

[short jacinth]

So this trink is fed worth using assuming you have the correct cards

[short jacinth]

Def *

[lone junco]

I did enjoy this

Tanks use secondary stats to buff defensives

[tropic ocean]

Assa rogue can block?

[lone junco]

so it really fucks up their defensives

[short jacinth]

Rofl

[lone junco]

would be funny if one of the tanks is like newp, and gain massive defensive for duration

protpally crit is parry, mastery is dmg reduction Str is block.

so haste /vers dump might not be horrible.

[cobalt gyro]

here's trinking on like, normal mekka

https://i.imgur.com/NMGctgI.png

trinket*

[scenic saffron]

So if we get a mastery/crit yellow + cyclotronic red, the trinket is worth to use

[lone junco]

I would expect Mastery/vers to be better, but would like to see numbers.

[livid hull]

crit simmed as worst 2ndary with cyclo

mast/vers

[lone junco]

does the sim /use/use ?

need to check the apl output to see if it double used trinket combos

[livid hull]

actions.cds+="/use_item,name=pocketsized_computation_device,if=master_assassin_remains=0"

[lone junco]

no, the output timeline.

[livid hull]

it's a dps loss to us it during MA

[azure sluice]

what is the crit breakpoint right now in assasin for singel target

[lone junco]

there isnt one

[livid hull]

sim yo self

[azure sluice]

u guys recommand to use mastrtful wopen in echnat for ST?

[livid hull]

TBH the highest ilvl yellow you have should go in the PSCD

because it will increase the ilvl of the PSCD and thus the damage done by cyclotronic

ilvl of the PSCD is an avg of red & yellow cards

[lone junco]

I just want to see a Bloodlust + Power infusion + whatever else external + double trinket vanish env round with the mongo peaks.

[nimble tartan]

The play is to use the trinket before the vanish so u double dip crit buff

Unless it can’t crit

[livid hull]

it can't crit

[nimble tartan]

They think of everything

[lone junco]

overall average is lame. I want a mongo opener.

big boner work.

[livid hull]

so 404 yellow + 415 red would be a 410 trink and a 424 yellow and 415 red would be a 420 trink

the re-procedurally generared punchcard recipe makes a guareenteed 415 yellow with a high chance to forge

[dark crag]

What's your essence combi? For me lucid major+bote minor sims best at all rank2

[sullen pagoda]

wouldnt it be the play to save mats until next patch for higher titanforge cap 🤔

[nimble tartan]

yes cribs

u brain big

[livid hull]

lucid major bote minor. Both r2. Thou if you ground out r3 bote then bote wins

[nimble tartan]

ive got lir 4k scraps

[livid hull]

the limiter is the galvanic oscillator

[dark crag]

Would make sense that a r3 essence wins over r2

[sullen pagoda]

@nimble tartan too bad im also small brain who created the mecha mount

[dark crag]

Is the punchcard trinket that thing were you socket stuff in?

[livid hull]

yes

[sullen pagoda]

im not even mount collector got like 86 total

[ripe nimbus]

U need oscillator to buy the mecha essence and alot of them 10 for rank 2 and 20 for rank 3 so If u want that don't spend em

[dark crag]

Can you vendor the base thing?

[livid hull]

that essence sucks for rogue anyway

so nbd

[ripe nimbus]

That's depending they don't do balancing on the essences which is a far shot saying they won't

[lone junco]

Are any of the good essences an unreasonable amount of /use secondary trait?

[ripe nimbus]

What do you mean by that

[lone junco]

Is blood of the enemy crit rating.

Just looking to pump secondary stats into the mech trinket.

[ripe nimbus]

I think blood minor is haste

[lone junco]

Could be 2k haste

Needs to be /use for an opener to work.

And minor needs to be good overall.

[ripe nimbus]

Blood minor is Crit until certain stack then turns into haste or some funky crap like that

But the blood minor is pretty bad anyway in comparison to others

[strange python]

Does Blood gain insane value in cleave fights??

[lone junco]

Just meme hunting

[nimble tartan]

Y’all stressing out when we all just gonna slot in the raid essence bro

[patent topaz]

Looks like its RIP raiding for this expansion. 9 sign ups for heroic next week including 1 tank and 0 healers

[ripe nimbus]

Time to find a guild that enjoys the game

[lone junco]

Na horde?

[patent topaz]

EU horde

we can maybe scrape a group for heroic combining all the players from dead raid teams in the guild

most of them are pretty bad though

[lone junco]

I wouldn't mind getting a rogue. I had to swap pally main

[ripe bramble]

@nimble tartan It only beats Lucid and Blood if it's rank 3

[patent topaz]

stoppped raiding after 5/9 in bod. I think maybe 5 people out of the original roster from uldir is still playing

[nimble tartan]

yeah but we’ll have rank 3 by the time my guild gets to azshara most likely

[fathom crag]

!essences

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[azure sluice]

lately it seems Mastry is the best stats for singeltarget

i thought st is all about haste crit

what happend

[lone junco]

its been haste mastery for st and crit mastery for aoe for at least a year.

[civic palm]

Essences and Traits happened.

[stable yarrow]

still haste for me xD

[lone junco]

lucid and haste have an interaction around E cap.

gl with that though.

[feral shuttle]

I see a lot of people talking about and grinding the blood essence but it's not mentioned in this guide for ST - is it super strong for m+ ?

[civic palm]

Ye, smash Crit Mastery, big dick ENVs incoming.

TtK might not be shit for ST, weird world.

[lone junco]

selis 6cp env rounds with 3ttk are getting big.

[civic palm]

Blood is good for M+ as a starter ye.

Because it's M+ odds are something cheesier will take its place.

[low girder]

blood's also decent as a minor for ST until raid essence

[feral shuttle]

So are people just running it going into the first few weeks?

[low girder]

better than flame anyway

[feral shuttle]

I'm just wondering how much time to invest into grinding it....

[strange python]

bloods simming my highest major until raid essence :((

atm*************

[low girder]

i only have r1 so lucid's beating it by a considerable margin for me

[rigid mango]

flame/blood are near equal

[scenic saffron]

which essences do you guys plan on using during first heroic clear ?

[rigid mango]

Pick either.

Flame M + lucid m

[low girder]

think that depends on your stats, sims are saying blood r2 is a decent bit higher than flame r2

for me specifically

[rigid mango]

It's saying flame r2 is better than blood r2 right?

[low girder]

no, blood over flame

as a minor

[rigid mango]

http://prntscr.com/ob4plt

[low girder]

lucid beats both as a major quite handily

yeah that's overall sims, i said me specifically

[rigid mango]

Lucid major quite bad

It's far better as a minor

With a better major in that slot

[civic palm]

Ye

[rigid mango]

Aka flame/blood

[low girder]

we don't have access to the good major yet

[civic palm]

For everything as well.

[rigid mango]

But

Flame and blood

are the best we have

[low girder]

idk flame r2 gets crushed for me as a major