assassination

[muted cove]

what about for major

[rigid mango]

And the major isn't worth enough to get picked

Well as major you always get minor with it

So it ends up being very meh

Or even bad

I assume you only have one slot ye?

[muted cove]

yeah im at 52 almost 53 now

[rigid mango]

Yeah then lucid

Until 2nd slot when you're better off taking flames for example, with lucid as a minor

In contrast to vision, lucid has an AMAZING minor, and pretty aight major

Which means we want the minor but not really the major

[muted cove]

gotcha ty

[distant lava]

flames

[livid hull]

Yeah cyclotronic is undersimming in simc. Hits for 25.5k and simc has it hit for 22.5k. Then there's the mucked up stats.

[rigid mango]

yeah, it's mucky

[distant lava]

zuck mine

[livid hull]

Its no question 2nd best trink for rogue ST

[rigid mango]

muck zine

We'll see

It looks good

[upbeat hazel]

how much sim dps does the minor essence usually give?

[rigid mango]

Seems about 2k ish @upbeat hazel

[autumn night]

is haste still the go to stat?

[rigid mango]

Sim yourself.

[daring olive]

its my lowest atm

[rigid mango]

With lucid major haste sucks

So

[daring olive]

Imo it's giga hard to judge sim stats before we scale with raid gear or run sims with them first

[rigid mango]

Aye

It's going to be hard to know before we know how everything sclaes

I wanna see those giga sim numbers

[frigid sleet]

best one we've seen here is like 36k right

[grave elk]

how are fathomstalker shoulders?

[rigid mango]

I've seen like, near 37k as tops

[cobalt pelican]

if you have blood3 and neck55 37k is probably doable in big gear

[frigid sleet]

I have all that and I'm barely 35k

not big geared enough I guess

[dire spoke]

https://i.snag.gy/fZQ7DO.jpg

[frigid sleet]

[vapid scarab]

Those are decimals not commas

4.99 dps grats

[crisp steppe]

Lolugae

[dire spoke]

jokesonyou

that's how its displayed on the site

[acoustic atlas]

How the heck are some of you simming like 36k, and why does it want me to swap crit now. https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/unEzzjXbphM1drxGdNi1g2

[rigid mango]

It was pre-socket nerf

And they also have a lurkers

and cepha

[acoustic atlas]

Oh I gotcha, what are most mythic people simming now. Yeah I know lurkers and ttk is killing me

[cobalt pelican]

it probably wants you to socket crit cause you only have crit and haste selected

[rigid mango]

It's not the ttk

What he said too

Sim it with mastery my dude

[acoustic atlas]

Im boosted

[rigid mango]

Cepha is good because of the 3rd OP

not because of the TTK

TTK < NP but OP >>>>>>>> any other 3rd ring

[acoustic atlas]

Alright thanks

[rigid mango]

Also swap your essences around

Blood major at r3 should outsim lucid major for sure

Do it the other way round and you should also sim higher

[subtle anchor]

What does Cepha stand for?

[acoustic atlas]

Blood major just feels scuffed to me running MA

[rigid mango]

Cephalohide

The chest piece from siege

DD TTK OP

Aye I understand it's a bit worse to play, but it's better

Should be, anyways

[frigid sleet]

speaking of which, considering that the 20% crit pot is better, shouldnt the opener change a tiny bit since it maybe doesnt make much sens to put TB into MA window anymore at ~90% crit ?

[rigid mango]

It's not 20% iirc

It's like 5, or 10

It's SUPER wonky

[spice surge]

You cant use it in the opener

[frigid sleet]

I remember a green name saying that crit pot was like way better than any other

[spice surge]

Or rather, you cant prepot it since it puts you in combat

[rigid mango]

Yeah

[spice surge]

Yes

[rigid mango]

It was

[spice surge]

Because we assumed the tooltips were correct

[rigid mango]

but it turned out entirely diff from what it said

[spice surge]

They arent

[frigid sleet]

ho so its not a prepot, nvm then I guess

[rigid mango]

What eleem said

Is it still as buggy eleem?

giving inconsistant numbers?

[spice surge]

Idk i havent looked into it

[rigid mango]

I honestly don't even know what's the best pot atm

[spice surge]

All i heard was that it breaks stealth+combat when you use it so its unusable as a prepot

[rigid mango]

unbridled fury?

[spice surge]

Ye

[rigid mango]

Yeah

Aight cool

[spice surge]

Its probably fine to use crit one during the fight though

If the numbers stop being funky

[rigid mango]

Aye I imagine it could be a good 2nd one

[frigid sleet]

guess we gonna gamble envenom on that one maybe

[rigid mango]

hm?

[frigid sleet]

I mean fishing for 2envenom into MA instead of playing safe tb+evenom

[rigid mango]

Maybe?

[charred canopy]

which belt was it that u wanted to have for eternal palace

[acoustic atlas]

I ended up being 34.3 with having blood major / ld minor like +600dps difference.

[faint harness]

I used crit pot today, didnt put me in combat at least

[acoustic atlas]

Its just feels so scuffed that you cant use it in the opener. I guess I'll just have to get used to it

[faint harness]

but i heard the dmg procing one does a quite a bit dof dmg

[zenith gust]

unbridled fury for raid bosses? agi for m+?

[vapid scarab]

probably proximity for m+

[zenith gust]

thx

[odd rampart]

this is a really rookie question but why does my emp garrote sometimes not trigger on fights? like, i will hit a mob from stealth and it treats the garrote like its a non-stealth garrote and triggers the cd even with subterfuge

[cobalt pelican]

do you have an example log or something cause nothing should cause that

if you overwrite the garrote you lose the damage but as long as you're sure you're subterfuge the first should never trigger a cd from real stealth (not meld)

[odd rampart]

not on hand

its always on pull though

[vapid scarab]

are you sure you're actually casting it from stealth

[odd rampart]

yeah

[vapid scarab]

and not cancelling stealth with a prepot or something

[odd rampart]

does it not work if i cast

shroud

[vapid scarab]

it shouldn't make a difference

[odd rampart]

that could be it honestly

i didn't think prepot cancelled stealth

[cobalt pelican]

besides the new one they don't

[vapid scarab]

certain pots do

[odd rampart]

focused resolve one?

[cobalt pelican]

focused resolve cancels stealth i believe yes

[odd rampart]

yeah focused resolve absolutely was causing that ok

bizarre

[cobalt pelican]

if you read up in the chat from a tiny bit ago it's not really usable as a prepot

cause it cancels stealth to tag to the mob for the crit

[odd rampart]

so its like a second pot only?

[cobalt pelican]

unless they change it, yeah

[odd rampart]

we start with jsut the improved agi ones then eh

[karmic kite]

i was using them fine on uunat last night

dropped me out of stealth but didnt put me in combat

[odd rampart]

i mean, if you pop it at like, 3 and then stealth it works fine

[hazy iron]

I wonder if you could macro focused resolve to a stand alone garrotte key bind and use on opener

[karmic kite]

i used it right on pull

[hazy iron]

/cast pot /cast garrotte

Etc

[karmic kite]

does it not work with subterfuge or something?

it was working fine with MA

[hazy iron]

With tricks so you don’t get punched obviously

#prepull

Lol

[cobalt pelican]

you were just losing some of your ma window

which is negligible compared to not getting an empowered garrote playing subterfuge

[odd rampart]

yeah it probably fcks the MA window too actually

now that i think about it

[cobalt pelican]

whether you lost enough of it to miss a global i'm not sure

i've not played with it personally

and to be honest you usually only have the 2nd global be a crittable ability on the opener anyway as ma

[karmic kite]

no i definitely didnt lose any globals

[cobalt pelican]

which you likely can't miss

cause the 3rd is rupture

[karmic kite]

im pretty sure even if i was subterfuge i wouldnt have missed anything

[cobalt pelican]

so you were potting then restealthing?

[odd rampart]

im playing subterfuge right now and if you cast the pot in stealth before pull it unempowers ur garrotes mate

[karmic kite]

i was able to use it literally after the boss was aggro'd

[cobalt pelican]

you don't get subterfuge from unstealthing yourself manually

[karmic kite]

and just shadowstepping into melee to not lose any uptime

[cobalt pelican]

so you don't get a grace window

[karmic kite]

thats what i was asking

ive been basically exclusively using MA so i was asking if it triggered sub or not

[cobalt pelican]

manually unstealthing gives neither

[karmic kite]

it gives MA for sure

just tried it

[cobalt pelican]

hm

ah yeah i guess that makes sense, they're worded differently

[odd rampart]

do my stat prios change if im playing sub into cleave fights

[strange python]

hey has anyone noticed an issue with worldvein rank 2 (minor) breaking stealth?

it seems to be breaking stealth on the same timer in which it spawns the shards regardless of being in combat

[warm harbor]

there's seem similiar instances of essences breaking us outta stealth, wouldn't be surprised if veins was bugged

[strange python]

yeah if some others could test it would be good, but it definitely seems bugged

when I switch to anything else in the minor slot no stealth breaks

[remote oak]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[crystal viper]

!essences

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[odd rampart]

how accurate is hectic add cleave for simming bod fights

[blissful basin]

not seeing it in the pinned guide - any point in > 1 EB?

[balmy quest]

yes, the damage stacks

the 5 targets doesn't change

but the damage increases

[blissful basin]

ok, tyvm @balmy quest

[balmy quest]

np mate

it is why the "cookie cutter" sin m+ build is 2EB/2SS/2TTK

[blissful basin]

ah, that's the exact info i needed! ty again

[fallow otter]

do we know the value if the benthic boots in raid yet?

anyone done some maths? 😃

[civic palm]

~1% in 415 gear

Also;

it works.

[fallow otter]

sim assumes you are in new raid?

[civic palm]

SIM assumes you are hitting a target like usual.

With bonuses applied as you would expect.

[fallow otter]

Akana's Reefstrider Footwraps
Haste / Mastery
Increases the damage you deal with Critical Strkes while in Nazjatar and the Eternal Palace by 3%.

sim needs to know you are in EP or Naz

it will be added to raidbots later like zuldazar set bonus

[civic palm]

uhhuh

[fallow otter]

but how to sim in the short term?

[quiet totem]

I am pretty sure it takes it into account as those boots sim higher at 425 vs 445 currenlty

[fallow otter]

im not stressed tbh because they have socket and obv 425 with socket gonna be good for a bit anyway

by then sim will show for sure

@quiet totem yeh you're right - i'd assume the same - https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tgPs5p83jRad29rUJm25C3

[meager nebula]

the sims already act as if you are in the correct zone

so they sim properly

[fallow otter]

ty

[civic palm]

mmm

ye

1.2% over boots with the same stats @ the same item level without a DPS proc/etc.

probably worth more with more crit

[cobalt gyro]

ye

[honest needle]

does sin get any mbis zerite from the 385 mana pearl vendor that we can upgrade to 425 ?

[civic palm]

getsashittonofcritrealfast

Haste is being devalued a lot in Raid so we're moving towards Crit/Mastery and Vers for Raid and M+, speculate with that in mind.

[balmy quest]

vers wat

[cobalt gyro]

ye, lucid procs make haste

[civic palm]

3% @ 450

Casual 800 DPS boots > _>

and only

[honest needle]

does sin get any mbis zerite from the 385 mana pearl vendor that we can upgrade to 425 ?

?

does any 1 kno ?

[fallow otter]

yes

wel just discussed this

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tgPs5p83jRad29rUJm25C3

[honest needle]

which slot ?

[fallow otter]

here is a guide @ my gear

[honest needle]

i didint see any 1 discuss it

[fallow otter]

boots OP

only took me 125 pearls to get socket hahaha my luck sucks

[honest needle]

im asking if any of the azerite gear is bis ?

nott off pieces

[fallow otter]

oh azerite... dont think so

[honest needle]

so only piece that bis we can get from pearls is boots?

[civic palm]

and belt for ~2 bosses.

and uhhh, maybe some bracers.

For now.

[vapid scarab]

if only there were some kind of sticky note, or bulletin board system within discord that allowed users to pin frequently asked questions so that people can quickly get answers to questions that have been already asked and answered hundreds of times

[civic palm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Those don't work, come back in a year.

[honest needle]

should i still be using my titanium residue to get 420 azerite i currently have bis outlaw gear but i wanna go back to sin since its my fav spec

but i dont have bis azerite

[civic palm]

I don't think "BiS" anything matters all too much atm.

[royal lantern]

stuff can change

[vapid scarab]

you know there's a raid coming out next week right?

[honest needle]

ya i have a shit ton of residue

[civic palm]

and a good dungeon.

With lots of NOT SHIT loot.

[honest needle]

so should i use my residue i have or save it ?

i have 6k

[civic palm]

Save it for holes you might have in acquiring new Azerite.

[fallow otter]

s3 gonna get your alot more TR

[civic palm]

and use the residue to target something you need IN SPECIFIC.

[fallow otter]

ive got 16k ><

[honest needle]

i have so much gear in my bags i need to get rid of shit but i dont kno what to keep or get rid of i hate stashing so much crap

[civic palm]

Low level can go in the trash.

[honest needle]

https://gyazo.com/1607de0337140d03ed375a0b56a0c99c

i got way 2 much crap

[civic palm]

Yeah figure it out you filthy hoarder.

[honest needle]

its so bad

i horde everything

cause i play outlaw and assasination and i do m+ and raid

so i have different sets

so sometimes i think 400 azerite is better than 420

if i dont have good traits right ?

[civic palm]

😐

[honest needle]

or am i wrong

[civic palm]

[honest needle]

i do

sims say 400 is better which didint make sense

thats why i was asking

[civic palm]

That's some shit traits.

[fallow otter]

sim the benthic traits

problem solved

[inner tree]

feel like every azerite in raid is hot garbage except za qul head rip

[civic palm]

Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah they're not great.

[balmy quest]

Yay for getting to roll random pieces from the vendor all tier and not getting the shit I need

[civic palm]

Eh just get ready to use 2 SS|TtK pieces for a little while.

[royal lantern]

you mean, like azerite traits where in uldir?

[sour wraith]

With MA would it be worthwhile to do mut -> rupt -> gar -> vend -> tb -> mut -> vanish -> env -> mut to 4 + -> env?

instead of gar mut rup

[exotic rose]

What would be the benefit?

[civic palm]

Missing out on a tick of energy.

and something like this has been math'd to death.

[sour wraith]

Benefit would be the extra cp so you're guaranteed to have 4 cp going into the vanish

[royal lantern]

mut->rupture is dead at the moment you dont get 4cp

with 3cp you would need too re-apply your rupture during the tb or not

its only 16seconds

[civic palm]

That opener also desyncs your vendetta|vanish by 3 seconds or so.

[cobalt gyro]

The slight randomness of CP is just how you have to play it. Not a big deal and certainly not worth rearranging everything for

[civic palm]

Especially considering that averages are what the SIM is actually good at, and the opener is a done deal unless we're talking Essence usage or something actually different.

[cobalt gyro]

Even then with double dose traits losing an env in the opening TB is probably not that terrible because it makes mutilate do pretty high damage om its own

[honest needle]

whats more important for m+ eb or ss ?

ss right?

[fallow otter]

we still aiming for 3xDD, 1xTTK, 1xNP, 1xBI for pure ST?

[civic palm]

1 SS, at least 1 EB

Required.

[honest needle]

for m+ right

[rigid mango]

Yes

Minimum 1 eb/ss

[honest needle]

ya im 416 overall ilvl but my lower azerite adrops me down to 407 and my 407 ilvl stuff is simming higher

[rigid mango]

But you'd want more eb atleast, ss is a bit more situational

[honest needle]

is it really worth dropping that much ilvl

[icy ember]

i do the same thing day

[honest needle]

with the gear i have i cant either stack 3 ss 1 eb at 400ilvl gear or i can do 3 eb with no ss with higher ilvl gear

what u think is better

[icy ember]

err just responding to you earlier and talking about raiding as asn and outlaw for M+

[honest needle]

ya i think sin is def the way 2 go now i like it better i only switch to outlaw cause it was so good for m+

[icy ember]

ye i feel your pain w/gearing and whatnot, but it just sort of "lets go" of the titan residuum count when you roll for a random piece, you might get a good one for either spec

[honest needle]

ya and i got good for outlaw thats why i went oputlaw

now im trying to go back to sin i still dont have the right traits

so alot of my 400 azerite is better than my 420 which sucks

[icy ember]

ye i recently bought gorak tuls mantle for the price of 7k

[fallow otter]

@honest needle i just go outlaw for m+ coz it was just better - always sin for raid tho

be interesting if it keeps its spot

gouge so good also

[honest needle]

so u dont think sin will be better for m+

I thought people were saying sin is already better

[rigid mango]

Hooow about we don't start this

If any of you have a time machine, have this talk

[fallow otter]

situational i'd say but yep it could be no point even bothering until we start getting in there

[honest needle]

Im just curious. Not trying to start drama

ya tru

[rigid mango]

Seeing as how neirher do, just play whatever and see what's better

[honest needle]

I personally like rotation better for sin. When i play outlaw my hands cramp up

Im old

lol

[fallow otter]

i hope outlaw is better for m+ personally so i have a reason to play both specs

sidenote, im over m unnat i dont even get to play my rogue for it booooooo

anyone else progressing?

[royal lantern]

it feels like most people just skiped crucible mythic

[fallow otter]

true, dont blame them - we just trying to get CE and its nearly over

[vernal fern]

hey guys i have a quick question

[winter moss]

ask right away

[vernal fern]

when running blood as main essence and lucid second, when do i use blood on opening?

with subterfuge i mean

[winter moss]

gar rupt gar blood vendetta toxic

[vernal fern]

after TB?

alright thx

i was using it after vendetta and overcapping energy

^^

[winter moss]

blood gives us crit chance to the target

and we are at 3 cp

at this time

so if you use it before tb and tb crit we have 5 cp, havent wasted to much energy and we paired the cd with vendetta

to me this is an absolute win

[vernal fern]

yeah its pretty neat

but then should i always use blood with vendetta ? cuz it has 30 sec less cd

[vapid scarab]

yes

[faint harness]

@fallow otter you mean the patchwerk boss uunat? Its nice to be able to dodge every beam.

[fallow otter]

@faint harness well yeh if you only 4 melee its faceroll for melee im so jealous - but my warlock alt is pretty geared so im forced on it - super annoying fight after doing it for 300 wipes

[honest needle]

for single target u guys think its still running 1 ss cause i have the choice to go 3 dd and 3 NP or i can do 2 np and 1 ss

most fights are gonna have some cleave im guessing right

so 1 ss might be worth iy

it

[faint harness]

Not running SS

[fallow otter]

i havent run SS for a long time

[faint harness]

You can swap in ss on said fights

[rigid mango]

If you can get 2+ garrotes per vanish

Yes, ss

If not, no

[honest needle]

this is whats simming best for me as of now https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hyohFa8npdF5j2ZQXcmi88

[ember rover]

For Uwunat you should play full single target. 3DD and 3 NP, if possible.

[honest needle]

but i also have a dd and ss 420 i can use for my chest

[faint harness]

@fallow otter playing a melee on uunat is a joke, shame you had to play warlock. Literally ook ook boss as melee

[honest needle]

on my goraktul shoulders blightborne infusing is simming higher then NP

[faint harness]

Then use it

I use blightborne for st too

[honest needle]

i am im jusst suprised i thought gorak was bis with dd and np

ok cool

[fallow otter]

yup im 3xDD, 1xTTK, 1xBI, 1xNP have been for a vlong time, thats why i have 15k TR got lucky for shoulders

i'd say many here are the same

[faint harness]

I run 3x DD, 2x NP and 1x BI atm

[fallow otter]

pieces

[faint harness]

Dont have cephalohide chest tho

[fallow otter]

some pref her 1x SS tho, but once i got shoulders and switched to MA i didnt go back

[ember rover]

@fallow otter you should take Blightborne infusion with a grain of salt as when simming patchwerk, you won't always be able to get the balls to benefit from the buff in real raid environment.

However, if you time your Vendetta right, NP will always deal its full dmg.

[faint harness]

I feel like MA is something you get used to quick

[honest needle]

what shoulders

[rigid mango]

Imagine if a proc had a chance vs np always doing full dmg

[faint harness]

[ember rover]

What I meant was, even if it does proc, you won't be able to pick it up sometimes.

[onyx rock]

@honest needle i made your sim a lot better https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uWAwcaTa3cyuBKpoww88Nz

[honest needle]

how

wtf

[onyx rock]

well look at it

[honest needle]

u didint even see all my gear u can prolly make it even better lol

[onyx rock]

i did see it

[honest needle]

all u did different is add enchat and mastery gems right

[onyx rock]

and talent

[hazy geyser]

is there any list of which benthic gear is BiS and worth upgrading?

[summer valve]

@ember rover are you sure you aren't mixing up blightborne infusion with something else? blightborne infusion is just a straight crit proc, you don't pick anything up

[ember rover]

You're right, I was confusing it with the bubble you pick up.

[fallow otter]

i was about to type that out

😃

[faint harness]

Yea i was doubting my own sanity there

[fallow otter]

@hazy geyser its Pinned, from my sims boots>bracers>belt

boots like 1.8% for me with same stats and ilvl bracers 1.3%

[hazy geyser]

thx

[fallow otter]

belt i probably wont bother for 2 bosses only

@faint harness hahaha ikr

[vernal fern]

btw do we know which is better between crit pot and agility pot ?

[faint harness]

People are saying crit pot puts you out of stealth

I didnt notice it myself, might be due to running MA and not noticing the ma window being shorter on pull

[vernal fern]

this sounds weird lol

[fallow otter]

i havent got rank3 crit pot yet so ill be using super agi until it drops but afaik u want the crit one

[vernal fern]

aye 😉

[fallow otter]

the good news is a should be flying by tonight so at least i can herb a bit

[faint harness]

The amount of burst you can do in an opener with crit pot, mechagon nuke punchcard and blood of the enemy major is quite disgusting

[ember rover]

With Agi Pot, I was doing 85k consistently last night on u'unat, didn't know that Crit Pot was better.

[royal lantern]

i somewhat doubt that we will use blood for most raidfights

[faint harness]

Well, i dont think the crit pot is great

[royal lantern]

crit is probably the best for pure st

1 target, nothing else

[faint harness]

Yea im using blood because its r3 and outsims anything else

[royal lantern]

fair point

still missing 7k honor

[faint harness]

But with this current setup i have like 4-5cds i need to press at the right time in the opener

Its a bit monkas

Still not quite sure when to use the mechagon trinket

And delaying bote to after vanish hasnt always gotten into my head on some pulls

My current best opener seems to be mut-gar-rup-mechagon-vendetta-mut-vanish-tb-env-mut-env-bote and so on. But im not 100% sure on it

[ember rover]

You got MA or Subterfuge?

[faint harness]

Ma

[ember rover]

I think you're not supposed to use TB during the 3s MA you get after vanish.

[distant mist]

wouldn't bote vanish envenom mut envenom be the play ?

[faint harness]

It might be, tried most openers

But the sim with bote is using it after 2nd env after vanish

And i also found that to be strong when trying it

[ember rover]

I think you want the 3s MA window to be filled with Muti + envenoms.

That should, at least at first glance, be the best.

[faint harness]

It literally doesnt matter

Some ppl do it pre vanish

Some after

This has been a topic for a long time

The difference is minimal

And iirc in favor of using tb after vanish

[ember rover]

One thing I`m super certain of, you should definitely use BotE before the vanish window, if you have rank 3.

[fallow otter]

am i the only one going for lucid>whatever until rk3 raid?

[ember rover]

So that you get 25% more dmg from your crits in the BotE window.

[distant mist]

i am too

[fallow otter]

i dont have enough time irl to farm honor ontop of the other stuff

[royal lantern]

my muscle memory is tb>vanish, so i use that......

[faint harness]

Yea whatever works the best for you

And the bote thing is up in the air

Ive asked mystler about bote opener but he didnt reply

[ember rover]

I've tested a bit last night.

With BotE before Vanish, I would burst around 85k

[faint harness]

Cus i would also assume it would be pre vanish but its not in sims

[ember rover]

With BotE after vanish, I`d go a measly 75~ish

[faint harness]

I went above 100k with the stuff i use atm

[ember rover]

Ah, never managed that, most I did was 91ish

[fallow otter]

boots gonna be awesome for that

[faint harness]

Mechagon trinket is a bit cheating tho

150k+ in one gcd during opener

[fallow otter]

whats going to be the go to passive trinket you guys reckon?

up to date dice?

[quiet totem]

Inscription I think ?

[fallow otter]

ilvl400 aint gonna compete

[faint harness]

Im using the mechagon one atm since it doesnt pu other use trinkets on cd, its completely separate

So i use both plume and that one in opener

[fallow otter]

oh it does? nice

can link me the one specifically?

[spice loom]

Is the mechagon trinket good as assassination because I have kimbul‘s trinket and not sure if I should replace it or not

[faint harness]

Its from mechagon revered

Well from my logs yday it did between 4-5% dmg during a full bod run yday

Which probably beats kimbuls, while having bis secondary stats which easily beats agi stick

[strange python]

Mechagon trinket is legit Guldan all over again

[ember rover]

I believe Kimbul is extremely overrated.

[fallow otter]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=167672/cyclotronic-blast&bonus=0:1472 ?

[faint harness]

Yes

[ember rover]

Did 2.3% of my DMG on a full 10 minute fight.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/MCT7n6qYymdWJhj8#fight=28&type=damage-done&source=14

[faint harness]

There are no working sims for cycloblast yet

So its hard to tell how good it is

But its def good

[fallow otter]

in what land is 2.3% from a trinket bad, am i missing something here lol

[faint harness]

Cyclo doubles that tho

[fallow otter]

haha yeh tonight ill get it for sure

keen to try

[faint harness]

• makes your opener bonkers

[fallow otter]

when is cyclo best in the opener? is this the reason blood is so good or what

[quiet totem]

Can the ticks crit?

[faint harness]

No

[fallow otter]

ok so no blood doesnt help

[faint harness]

So you dont pair it with ma or bote

[quiet totem]

ok so it is always the same damage then

[faint harness]

It gets boosted by vers

[quiet totem]

ah yes

[frigid briar]

How much are people doing with this over 5 minutes ST?

[faint harness]

The trinket does about 450k+ over 5 mins

[quiet totem]

150k / 2min if used on CD

[faint harness]

Depending on your vers

[frigid briar]

I mean dps as a player not the trinket

[fallow otter]

so i should pair this towards the end of Cos trinket?

when are you popping?

[faint harness]

Right at start

Before vendetta

[sour wraith]

What yellow cards are you guys using?

[fallow otter]

yellow will be whatever sims better for you im guess, just stats

[faint harness]

You gotta remember the use effect is a channel but you can keep spamming abilities during it, nothing seems to stop it

[sour wraith]

Not an easy way to sim different yellows though unless I'm not seeing an option for it

[fallow otter]

oh wtfffffff

[faint harness]

And you can also move while casting it and channeling it

[fallow otter]

ohhhhhhhh

wow

ok

thats awesome

now it doesn't matter

i was assuming i was locked down during channel

[faint harness]

Nope, only during the cast itself which is equal to about one global

[fallow otter]

are you macroing vers trinket with it?

[faint harness]

But you can also move during that time

I was thinking about it, but currently just using it standalone

[frigid briar]

What kinda dps are people pushing with this trinket over 5minutes? Over 34k?

[faint harness]

Depends on the fight tbh

[frigid briar]

On ST

Stormwall ect

[faint harness]

Well not really 34k no

But thats not because of trinket

[nimble tartan]

430k is so much for a trinket

[fallow otter]

yeh trinket seems like a lock

[frigid briar]

Omr your rank one Uunat?

[nimble tartan]

i havent checked in a few days

[frigid briar]

Nearly took your log last night

Fuckin 4% wipe

Zzzzzzzz

[nimble tartan]

i did it all natty bro not even 2 essences

[fallow otter]

wish i could rogue for unnat

sigh

[frigid briar]

I have 52 traits and 416itmlvl

[faint harness]

I played ret paladin on uunat

[fallow otter]

rogue so good for it also

[frigid briar]

52 neck level i mean

Procs were just insane

[nimble tartan]

yeah i had a lot of procsd

basically never ran out of energy the whole fight

[fallow otter]

lucid makes sin feel so good

[frigid briar]

Trinket proc 420 loaded dice for hero P3 when hero came up

Like every mut was 4 cp for 25 seconds

[fallow otter]

drool

[frigid briar]

Never gonna happen again

Was doing 69k dps

Was mad, ill die on the kill now lel

[nimble tartan]

check this big ass blightbnorne chain

40 seconds

https://i.imgur.com/OM8YT6r.png

[frigid briar]

Dam

Thats during vendetta aswell right?

[nimble tartan]

no we lusted around 5:40

[fallow otter]

@frigid briar vampire for sure

[faint harness]

5:40? Is that the timings with essences

[frigid briar]

We hero 6 minutes

Thats start p3

For us anyways

[nimble tartan]

u can skip a lot now this was last week idk what we did this week

5:35 lust this week

so same shit

[frigid briar]

You can hero and get 2 sets of adds P2 aswell

But means less p3 damage

No point really, we tried it for consitancy to p3 pulls but meh

[nimble tartan]

the add skip is weird cause uc an beat it for like 4 secs and then itll spawn still

[frigid briar]

Yeah

[faint harness]

Its doable without lust if you run a decent comp and 3 healers

[frigid briar]

Happened to us a few timea

We will kill it tonight

5% last night and someone fucked up the trident

[faint harness]

Yikes

[frigid briar]

To many were dead to just blast the boss though

[faint harness]

Are you running ret gods?

[frigid briar]

Im guessing we just bubble the adds and external them,

We have a holy and a tankadin

No ret

[nimble tartan]

i saw this attempt this guild gets the boss to like 0.3% and someone stats screamin in the mic like WOOOOO

and then they wipe

300k health

[frigid briar]

Dude

It could be my mates guild

Thisisfine

[faint harness]

Yea we wiped like 3-4 times sub 3% before killing it

Its normal on uunat

[frigid briar]

I have the clip if you wanna see it again haha

Boss is legit like 1 mutilate from dying

[nimble tartan]

i would cry

[faint harness]

We had a 0% wipe according to logs at one point

The boss is an ass

[frigid briar]

We on overtime to get it now

Y I K E S

[faint harness]

Hope you get it

Will be the most rare CE ever

[ember rover]

Alliance still has hall of fame on it.

Till next resett

HAHAH

[faint harness]

Yea

[royal lantern]

raiding on alliance is fine btw

[fallow otter]

hope we get it this weekend...

[nimble tartan]

its a really good famed title

[frigid briar]

Yeah people who got famed uunat is best achieve I can think of tbh

https://clips.twitch.tv/PlainFragileClipsdadSoBayed

[faint harness]

Spent almost 3 raids on sub 5% but didnt have essences at the time. But being that close is still not that close on mr uwunat

[frigid briar]

Thats the wipe your talking about

If its them.ofc

[nimble tartan]

lmao its not this one but this is so good too

[frigid briar]

P3 unnat with hero is melting now though with essence

5% is really close

[nimble tartan]

yeah you got this brother

[faint harness]

Its all about tanks staying alive, at least it was for us

The moment they stayed alive we killed it

[ember rover]

On our rekill, we had some timing issues.

Due to essences, we blast boss in P1 and P2 and we don't get 3 min CDs in P3.

[frigid briar]

Some pulls the timings just are off. Like the boss timings, everything changes for some reason

[ember rover]

So our DPSer's with 3min CDs were asked to not use them in P2 so that they have it at the start of P3.

[faint harness]

The boss is going of spell queues like most bosses these days

Skip queues and it fucks with the whole fight

[frigid briar]

For us its about people not being shit

[nimble tartan]

https://clips.twitch.tv/AgitatedFrozenClipsdadTheTarFu

[ember rover]

No, that didn't happen to us.

But the thing is, at the start of P3 you have a full 30s of tank and spank.

Where you can blast boss, so you want hero there with every single CD available.

If you use 3mins in P2, you won't have them for this 30s window in P3.

[frigid briar]

Yeah

[ember rover]

Right now, that is.

Before the essences, you still had them in p3.

[faint harness]

How long is the fight now

We havent even attempted reclear since killing it, mostly cus of cabal, not uwunat

[ember rover]

Between 9:45 and 10:30 mostly according to wowprogress.

[odd rampart]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bWPcTe3GNQi2YYjkavEkxH

vers is second highest simming stat monkaS

[frigid briar]

If we killed it last night me WA told me fight would be 10m 10secs approx

[dusky tinsel]

anyone else getting haste as their lowest stat with lucid major and blood minor? simc wants me to fully gem/enchant crit and drop all my haste on ST with MA, feels weird lol

[nimble tartan]

finally got the boots with a socket

[deft shore]

I'm guessing we're going Condensed Major and Lucid Minor after Tuesday's clears?

[rigid mango]

@dusky tinsel yes, the lucid major devalues haste a lot

@deft shore probs not, life aint that good until higher ranks iirc

atleast not compared to high rank of the ones that are farmable

[dusky tinsel]

yeah I figured it would but man its got me dropping it to almost M+ numbers

[young portal]

@dusky tinsel mine did exactly the same, haste just hits rock bottom

[rigid mango]

http://prntscr.com/oaw74l

Yeah

rank 3

[deft shore]

Yeah, I'm just having a hard time getting the PvP stuff done so I wish I could avoid Blood but it's seeming obvious I just can't.

[ember rover]

Blood is super super good, and very easy to use effectively.

[rigid mango]

Flames is good

[ember rover]

It's 200% worth it.

[rigid mango]

Blood isn't insane

It's good, but not amazing

[ember rover]

It's 600 DPS behind Condensed, while being really easy to use.

[rigid mango]

And a pain to grind

[ember rover]

And you will get Condensed rank 3 way late into the raid.

[deft shore]

I'll have a R2 Condensed by Tuesday's end (Hopefully) lol

Is it 6 per boss or 6 per Azshara, though?

[ember rover]

Blood R3 > Anything else R2

[rigid mango]

Yeah but flame

If you cba grinding blood, esp now we don't have pvp event

Flame is really close to blood and u get it for playing the game, faster if u do islands

[deft shore]

Yeah, got R2 flame already

[rigid mango]

Yeah, then you're fine

Just grind for 60

[young portal]

So Lucid major, Flames minor? If you don't have the time to grind honor is what you're recommending?

[rigid mango]

In a couple of weeks it wont matter anyways

No

Lucid minor

Flames major

[young portal]

Oh sorry yeah mb

[rigid mango]

Lucid is good on the basis of its minor, not its major

[young portal]

Thank you, I just don't have the time for the honor grind as I'm sure many others are the same

[rigid mango]

Yeah for sure

[ember rover]

You should just do the daily win and queue as Alliance if you're horde.

Daily win gives around 1k, and there's 3 of them.

[rigid mango]

What if I'm ally?

[ember rover]

So easy 3k for 3 wins.

Queue as ally?

You get the bonus anyway.

[young portal]

@ember rover thanks for the tip👍

[ember rover]

Also, the quests from Wintergrasp and Alterac Valley can be completed on both sides.

Those quests that give 1.5k honor each.

So that makes 4 in total for 6k free Honor.

[nimble tartan]

are those quests weeklies

[ember rover]

That I don't know, I've done them last week to push for R3 BotE, but didn't touch PvP this week 😄

[faint harness]

we need mystler to get on top of this when to use BotE thing

cus if its supposed to be used before vanish it might be even better than the sims suggests cus its currently using it after 2nd envenom

[solid nova]

Keep in mind that the damage of the essence itself is not affected by damage increases from your abilities but you should always set it up for some cooldown window. Even the 1.5min version should be used with  Vendetta up, and (if talented) with  Toxic Blade in order to benefit from the crit boost as much as possible.```

He wrote the wowhead guide on it

[distant lava]

you talking about blood richard ?

[solid nova]

Are we not?

[distant lava]

am confused then

[faint harness]

We are

[distant lava]

didn't eleem do sims at the beginning of the patch

[ember rover]

In my personal testing, the usage that granted me the most dmg was like this:

[distant lava]

and they say blood was simming higher when he was using it paired with vendetta ?

[faint harness]

Djamax, if you look at current APL, it uses BotE r3 after 2nd envenom

[ember rover]

After opener and having rupture + garrote on target, I`d get 5CP then vendetta + envenom + tb + bote + vanish

[rigid mango]

but we're talking about when in those vendetta windows

you're using bote

The APL uses it where I wouldn't expect it to be used

but maybe it's the best option,

[faint harness]

i tried both options yesterday and personally had better flow and better dmg outcomes when using after vanish

[distant lava]

oh I read what richard sent wrong, mb yeah

[faint harness]

but it might be 100% situational

[ember rover]

@faint harness that makes no sense for me, though.

[solid nova]

Oh i follow

[ember rover]

You want it during the MA window.

[solid nova]

Why after 2nd envenom though?

[faint harness]

cus thats when MA has dropped

its right after vanish MA window

in the APL

[solid nova]

Extended crit window

Makes sense i guess but

[ember rover]

But you want it DURING it, cause you get 25% crit dmg from Rnak 3, no?

[faint harness]

cus you dont wanna spend a GCD on non env/muts during MA BT

TB

[ember rover]

If it's right before vanish, you don't waste GCD during MA.

[faint harness]

i dunno tbh, thats why i want mystler or someone to comment on it

i asked in TC research already

i assume they have tried different BotE options and found this sims the highest, but cant know that for sure

[ember rover]

The most sense that I see, and I got in practice, was if I used it after I had vendetta + TB right before Vanish.

TB gets you to 1 CP then you BotE + Vanish + muti to 5CP

[faint harness]

i mean if you use both BotE and Vanish after TB isnt that many lost gcds

during TB

[ember rover]

1 GCD, the BotE GCD.

[faint harness]

if you're doing it that way i would prefer to use TB after vanish

yea but 1 GCD is kinda big during MA opener

[ember rover]

I think that TB during MA is big.

I always use TB before Vanish so I get 1 CP + 4 from muti

[faint harness]

that depends on crit levels i suppose, you can also get fucked by RNG

[ember rover]

I think people sleep on the 25% crit dmg from BotE

During MA, that's effectively 25% more dmg done.

[faint harness]

it might be that current sim is not updated with how bad the crit pot is

so if its assuming you sit with about 20-25% crit + 20% crit pot + 20% BotE crit it wouldnt matter much if you delayed it

but in reality the crit pot isnt giving you 20% crit

[ember rover]

I mean crit DMG, not crit chance.

[faint harness]

yes..

but crit dmg is relying on crit chance

[ember rover]

During Ma, with BotE up, it's like 90% crit for me.

[faint harness]

and if you can sit at 70% crit even after MA windows it might be better

assuming the crit pot works as it should

which it doesnt

[ember rover]

I dunno, I`m kind of rarted for not testing the crit pot.

[faint harness]

i didnt check its tooltips yesterday during raid

so i cant say how much crit it gave

doesnt show in logs either

[tropic ocean]

On wednesday it was 4-5% ish

[ember rover]

I see Rank 1 rogue on Uunat using Agi pot.

[tropic ocean]

so just used 1200 agi pots

[ember rover]

Not saying that's optimal just cause he rank 1, but.

[nimble tartan]

thats because im poor

[faint harness]

many rogues killed it pre 8.2

having essences should push you into rank 1 territory when the others wont have it

or is it 8.2 logs you're talking about

[nimble tartan]

hes talking about the new shit

so 8.2

lol

[tropic ocean]

Dont think many ppl reclear cos

[faint harness]

yea alright

we killed it like a month ago, havent set our foot in there since

[ember rover]

8.2 only.

[tropic ocean]

Not meant to trashtalk but

[marble hemlock]

seeing how you get rank1 on uunat by multidotting on adds as much as possible, its no surprise that agi wins in that scenario 😃

[tropic ocean]

I doubt there will be much more than 100 rogues even killing uunat 8.2

[faint harness]

if even 100 rogues

[nimble tartan]

yeah i think itwas like 50 rogues last time i checked

[faint harness]

[ember rover]

Rogues are good on the fight, though.

[stable totem]

how do we get Lucid dream rank 2?

[ember rover]

We take no dmg from beams 😄

[faint harness]

i rerolled rogue after CoS

[tropic ocean]

Many ppl take no dmg from beams 😅

[cold patio]

@stable totem earn 3k Bodyguard XP

[faint harness]

played ret paladin god on Uunat

blasting p3 dmg

[stable totem]

okok ty

@cold patio any good way to track it?

[tropic ocean]

Use punchcard trinket on next uunat @nimble tartan see if u can parse better

[faint harness]

theres an achievement

imagine reclearing uunat

[tropic ocean]

@stable totem if u have the quest tracked it shows

Xxx/3k xp

On your screen

[nimble tartan]

there is no more

uunat

[faint harness]

recipe for burnout

[nimble tartan]

its over forever

[frigid briar]

Reclear mythic Uunat gets you 900AP though right 🤡😂

[faint harness]

[nimble tartan]

p sure we got like the 7 people who didnt have CE the kill too

so thats cool

they got famed

[faint harness]

i want to reclear the raid for lurkers at 425 base

[frigid briar]

Tonight ima bonus roll that fat 425 with socket

[faint harness]

should honestly go back when azshara is out

and get 455 proc

ez

[tropic ocean]

Pog

[frigid briar]

From LFR

Lol

[tropic ocean]

455 lurkers

Is what

1300?

1400?

[faint harness]

you'll probably kill yourself from using it

[nimble tartan]

im using a heroic one still

its too late for me

[frigid briar]

Nah cos 3% stam buffs from neck

[nimble tartan]

i tried 3 times

[faint harness]

i dont even have lurkers on my rogue

[tropic ocean]

How much mastery is 455

[nimble tartan]

i even will have 1 less roll for azshara cause i spent one this week for it

but who cares

[faint harness]

close to 10%

or wait

nope

[frigid briar]

Dont need bonus roll when vendor trinket is Op

Lel

[faint harness]

yes

[tropic ocean]

@frigid briar hahahahhaa

[nimble tartan]

true i just need revered right so i can go grab it rn?

[tropic ocean]

Yeah

[frigid briar]

Yeah

[nimble tartan]

imagine its so good straight up from red card only

so that means

its just insane

with good stats on it

[faint harness]

if you have good yellow card to go with it

[frigid briar]

You can TF punch cards as well

[tropic ocean]

Think I will waste my rolls on hc weapons

[nimble tartan]

i mean its already insta slot from the red alone

[tropic ocean]

430+ weap biggy

[frigid briar]

I have a 415 mastery stat one

[nimble tartan]

but idk maybe the mastery during vendetta give me more value than it but idk

[faint harness]

using haste/mastery yellow

[nimble tartan]

it did like alot for this log i saw on a 9 minute fight

like 680k

[tropic ocean]

U still use lurker

Ome

[faint harness]

you can use lurker with the mechagon one

[nimble tartan]

oh can i use 2 on use

dam

we out here

[tropic ocean]

Yeah

[faint harness]

it doesnt share cds with other trinkets

[nimble tartan]

they fixed this last time

cause this happened with mekka trinket too

[faint harness]

yea its gonna get nerfed so have fun while you can

[frigid briar]

Personally im not gonna use vendor trinket or blood essence major

If it turns out really busted then sure ill bang it on for new tier but doubt it gets that far and I doubt its value rn

[tropic ocean]

Better save the gold

🤷🏿‍♂️

[frigid briar]

Much is it

[tropic ocean]

Maybe a pot worth

[frigid briar]

I prolly cant afford it if it more than 1k 😂

[tropic ocean]

Lul

[frigid briar]

Spend 200k on pots yesterday

Cleared the AH like fook

Market gonna get so expensive soon

200k bugged crit pots may I add 👌

[nimble tartan]

👀

[frigid briar]

Blizzard will fix this asap right 👀

Save them for next tier 😂

[real bay]

just sell them to unaware ppl

[frigid briar]

Thats the plan

[tropic ocean]

Loooool

[real bay]

no return policy

[tropic ocean]

I still pot with prolonged power 🙋🏼‍♂️

[real bay]

Lmao

so did some guy in our raid

str pots were 200g at the time

use prolo

[frigid briar]

I had a str krackens eye in for unnat progression

not a new meta it seems

[tropic ocean]

Well agi pots where 490g at a time in early bfa on my realm

Man gotta do what mans gotta do

[real bay]

500-1000g on my

str always cheap

he got some shit from the raid lead

[neat estuary]

just get engineering up to 150 and farm mk2 in an hour

easy way to make some quick gold

sells for 150-250k on my realm

i usualy sell 1 a week

pretty much covers my expenses

[frigid briar]

Im done with farming, tokens are my income now

Should be selling lock picking

Becoming a joke rn

[neat estuary]

yea

got all my mates sending me tons of lockboxes every day

i couldnt keep up with who sent what at some point

so i just started to keep them

easy

[real bay]

just cod them back for 500g each

[neat estuary]

or open them, collect the gold. leave shitty greens and greys and send them back

[frigid briar]

I just open them and keep them

Fuck they gonna do leave the guild?

its just rp

[solid nova]

#wow-general

[frigid briar]

Weew, my bad

[strange python]

What’s mk2 purge

[neat estuary]

the engineering mount

lets you mine ores while mounted

basically the skygolem for miners

[frigid briar]

Yo richard, offtopic these dudes

[solid nova]

Channel topics too difficult

[mental obsidian]

https://prnt.sc/oay4k3

https://prnt.sc/oay4nd

how big is the difference

from the ones with crit effect

anyone knows?

[solid nova]

They are implemented in sims now

you should be able to use gear compare

No idea on a rough number, but i assume its big

The crit damage is huge

[dark crag]

I hope blizz makes the boni nazjatar only

[mental obsidian]

i opened so many

but i think they nerfed socket chance

[solid nova]

Its just rng

Nothing was nerfed

Other than sockets from 60-50

[mental obsidian]

most of my guildies got them day 1

[solid nova]

RNG

[strange python]

gimme the crit boosts with socket PepeHands

[solid nova]

I got crit boots with socket on roll 4

Nothing since

Its just rng

[strange python]

how many pearls is it to go from 385-425

[solid nova]

200

[strange python]

and how many pearls do people invest in trying to fish for it

[solid nova]

But only 100 for 385-420

[strange python]

hmm

so what you're telling me is

[desert pelican]

@strange python u can fish from alts

[strange python]

i spend anything over 100 pearls on fishing

because 420 is decent

enough

[solid nova]

Id rather have 2 items at 420

than 1 at 425

[strange python]

i have the frost dmg bracer

[solid nova]

Yeah they're good

[strange python]

at 420 atm

with socket ofc

[solid nova]

[strange python]

think im gonna fish for the crit boots now

😃

oh btw guys

a good tip too

[solid nova]

Ill have boots 420 today and then carry on fishing for wrists

[strange python]

do the intro on your alts for 20 pearls

i did it on all my alts and got like 30 boots

xD

[desert pelican]

U can get like 40+ pearls in a less than hour on alt

[strange python]

unless you actually wanna gear your alts DansGame

did you go for rank 3 blood, rich?

[solid nova]

Nope

Not going to either

[strange python]

fair

[dark crag]

With flying i can finally level my alts outside of incursions

Get me some pearls

[strange python]

Can the yellow cards from junkyard tinkering crafting titanforge?

[solid nova]

Wrists as i dont think the waists will benefit much beyond Orgozoa and Za'qul

Where as the wrists will be a constant

[hushed valley]

@strange python yes

[dark crag]

Got 415 jaina boots with socket, 425 belt and 420 wrist. Benthic gear is pure pain

[hushed valley]

But afaik that trinket is hot garbage

[strange python]

no

[faint harness]

he doesnt know

[dire spoke]

Got a 425 haste crit yellow card yesterday

[strange python]

Gonna wait for the titanforge cap to be raised and then craft loads

[crisp steppe]

can you macro the new punchcard trinket to vendetta?

cyclotronic blast*(

[atomic saddle]

Is it still worth to go for benthic items now that sockets are nerfed?

[solid nova]

Yes

[hushed valley]

@faint harness correct me if I'm wrong 🤷‍♂️ havent gotten a haste mast or haste crit yellow to try yet

[hazy iron]

I fished for a socketted benthic belt but only because i was stuck with a 400 socketted belt. Going wrists next >.<

[faint harness]

@crisp steppe no you cant

[sick cradle]

what's the stat prio with lucid as a minor?
is haste still worth it then, or is it crit mastery all the way?

[hushed valley]

ok so ive gone and read back. got a couple questions
1.) is the "vendor trinket mentioned" the 410 adventurer augment
2.) is the personal computation trinket only viable with a haste mast yellow card

[faint harness]

depends on your stat weights right

[raven mica]

[sick cradle]

yeah, but I mean in general

[raven mica]

:simyoself:

[faint harness]

the vendor trinket is prob the cyclotronic blast punchcard

[sick cradle]

I am asking about a general case when you have your essences, not something I can just sim myself over

[rigid mango]

Wot

[royal lantern]

there is no general case for most stuff

[raven mica]

Why would you want a generalization over just simming your specific case.

[royal lantern]

except ofc that riple in space is PROBABLY not a good trait for dps etc....

[faint harness]

haste is generally less valued when you use lucid but it all depends on how much haste you already have

also talents matter too

thats why its better to sim yourself

[sick cradle]

because I'm not asking about my specific case right now, but for what's down the road in a couple of weeks when we have all our essences and what not

[rigid mango]

Yeah and then

You sim

[raven mica]

Then you just resim

Or if you’re worried about loot that’s dropping, input it into a pawn string and also use the droptimizer

[strange python]

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