globules is a 3rd ring trait so it can't be
#assassination
summer valve
topaz trout
yeah its not in the same row
woven summit
i'll tell you my other traits just to log in
soft island
And MA azerite should have double dose and vendetta traits
latent tendon
How do you have r3 blood already
topaz trout
no lifed BGs during honor week
modest tendon
I know someone who has rank 4 lol
soft island
Skill obviously
opal meadow
woven summit
my other traits beside SS are tradewinds and filthy transfusion
and it sims worse with them for MA
topaz trout
what ess are you running, storms
topaz trout
tradewinds is the mastery one right?
woven summit
yeah
topaz trout
are you running just that one piece with SS?
woven summit
nah i have 2 SS
topaz trout
that makes more sense now
woven summit
and when i replace them with filthy transfusion and tradewinds i get less dps with MA
So guess I need something like TTK, Covenant?
to go MA
woven summit
I got 3x DD and 1xNP and 2x SS
vapid scarab
make those 2 SS, TtK
woven summit
If I had treacherous covenant and 1xTTK or something would be better
woven summit
yeah maybe 2x TTK would be way better
yeah I don't want to spend titan residuum now
vapid scarab
still money
topaz trout
im an advocate of 3x dd 3x NP so the raid azerite gear sucks for me minus the head
which means i need to gamble resid for shoulders and chest
vapid scarab
you should be an advocate of whatever sims higher for your character
topaz trout
that ones good too
topaz trout
i could live with it
topaz trout
id say gross to mastery but with lucid minor..mastery is near the top
topaz trout
thats kinda crazy tbh
vapid scarab
8 allies is a pretty steep requirement
tropic ocean
Well it will be really good for all of then
527 second szaz
Stat*
Steroid version of tc
vapid scarab
not everyone likes mastery
tropic ocean
I dont think it will really matter
527 second stat should be good for probably everyone
In doubt can put it on tanks heals
So u got 6 covered
vapid scarab
yeah in a vacuum where they aren't giving up anything else for it
tropic ocean
But I guess there will be enough dps that like it
Retri assa bm warr
Just to name a few
stuck knoll
MM likes it more than bm
tropic ocean
The shear amount of stat will make it good even if its not ur best stat
stuck knoll
But it seems decent
Like most raids will have enough ppl to run it
They’re still insane
stuck knoll
On rings it’s like 40 ilvls
tropic ocean
Simmed 12 dps more
Against 415 non socket
So i assume on std piece 50stat 20ishilvl?
stuck knoll
Well currently they’re worth about 20 ilvls so it’s probably closer to 30
vapid scarab
is there a way to sim essences and ranks you don't have yet
tropic ocean
60 would outvalue mythic gear
winter moss
south horizon
Are the benthic pieces listed in the pins considered "must gets" or are they more so the pieces that are okay to use?
just got the boots with a socket, dunno if worth upgrading considering im a LW and will get higher ilvl boots with socket
drifting cloud
they are better than lw boots
stuck knoll
@vapid scarab through advanced sim
drifting cloud
if by now you mean 12h ago, and by stealth you mean in a hotfix
solid nova
Since last night
drifting cloud
then yes
timid cloud
Yeah, that was done yesterday.
stuck knoll
@vapid scarab azerite_essence=id:rank:1formajor/0forminor
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strange python
❤
i'll fix
solemn meadow
does the dmg on use punch chard sim good for us?
proud compass
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upbeat geode
i got a benthic piece with a socket, is it worth to upgrade just because it has a socket or should i look at other things too?
inner citrus
this one worth upgrading? :/ avoidance is sad
solid nova
No socket = No good
upbeat geode
thanks ausgelebt
i scrolled trough pins but missed the part about benthic gear, my bad
solid nova
spice cloak
less than a 1% difference for sockets id upgrade it
solid nova
1% from socket?
spice cloak
your sims may vary
spice cloak
not really worth blasting through pearls chasing the right rng boot with a socket for me
spice cloak
went through 200 or so not one socket
could have upgraded multiple 410 + for more dps than chasing a socket atm
spice surge
Well yeah, if you want to maximize your simdps literally only this week then sure
hazy iron
i keep getting sockets on the shit trait belt 😦
spice surge
But socketed boots are literally better than anything else in the entire game
hazy iron
out of 250 pearls, 4 sockets on the shitty version
spice cloak
ill upgrade them when i rng them next expansion at this point
solid nova
350 dps loss if i remove the socket on my 410 boots a lone, seems more than worth to invest pearls into something which is outsimmed by so little
spice cloak
yep
hazy iron
git guud kappa, etc
upbeat geode
you ruind the rng for us
hazy iron
net behd net behd, good soize
river smelt
Hey you guys, which do you think is more viable with a high haste and low crit level exsanguinate or poison bomb? For m+ specifically
solid nova
I assume you mean exang vs tb, rather than PB
solid nova
PB most likely
river smelt
Thanks a lot!
frigid briar
solid nova
Potion of Empowered Proximity?
Or something
Primary stat increase based on X amount of targets around you
hazy iron
sounds solid for giga pulls
weary iron
how good / bad is the benthic belt that does physical dmg on proc?
solid nova
Apparently 5 targets in 8 yards caps the stat of 1800
hazy iron
oh yeah it has a cap, whoops
outer estuary
cosmic pier
you get a 370 form the nazj intro quest
cosmic pier
run m+
bronze kelp
Just farm m+
cosmic pier
kill oppulence and rasta in bod
bronze kelp
As you farm freehold for dice, u get a dagger for free, cause dice never drops XD
small thicket
bronze kelp
Underrot is crit mastery dagger that is also good
modest tendon
Question on exsang,Iv heard it scales with haste is this true?
modest tendon
Is it viable in raids then? You can want to avoid haste in m+ right?
tame cobalt
exang sims better for me in st 🤔
modest tendon
It’s a fun talent then not very practical
hearty junco
spice surge
Pants from CoS
strange python
Did some testing with this https://gyazo.com/212d0c74aacf41e000d002922a71e462
10 second duration, seems to average 1 ppm
removed all my vers, left me with 10% crit (think that's baseline) and frontloaded it into the haste
mastery was slightly buffed/untouched
dawn coyote
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rigid mango
@strange python Yeah, it frontloads your stats and adds somewhere between 200-300 stats
strange python
Unsure how powerful it can be in PvE, but in PvP it certainly has it's moments
strange python
It's basically Lei Shen trinket without the agi
tropic ocean
idk how u guys sim so high
with mastery
i simmed my char 500times and its telling me more haste
at 34% mastery
woven summit
For what essense?
tropic ocean
lucid
woven summit
Weird
I got 45% mastery and it still says mastery
I only sim 30.5K though because I play with sub plus 2X SS
woven summit
Do you sim everything correctly though?
Like patchwerk 5 mins 1 boss
Maybe you accidentally switched something
tropic ocean
yeah
5mins 1 boss
ok I think I found the error
not the newest version of simc addon
not as far ahead as your guys mastery but seems better
blissful basin
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distant lava
what am I looking at ?
naive ridge
Hey guys! what minor should i use with lucid dream as major?
i mean what is good as minor for now
tropic ocean
@distant lava bracursssssss
vapid scarab
There’s no socket, who cares
haughty parrot
any benthic gear we should be looking at?
potent dust
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tropic ocean
@haughty parrot maybe
devout gazelle
Guess we should go after the akanas boots with socket on it?
solid nova
Yup
devout gazelle
have it already but without socket 😦
just got the fathom boots tho with mastery proc and socket
is it worth or meh?
vapid scarab
if only there were some kind of, sticky note, or bulletin board system within discord that allowed users to pin frequently asked questions so that people can quickly get answers 
inner citrus
there's pinned messages right?
upbeat geode
if only there was some sort of emote to ditect people to that location
bronze topaz
is prepotting with focused resolve possible while using subterfuge?
doesnt work for me 😐
cosmic pier
is there an easy way to import all the essences to raidbots so I can see what would sim the highest for me? so I know what to target
solid nova
Top gear
tiny arrow
Rip, got the phys wrist with sockets instead of frost wrist
strange python
Does raidbots automatically calculate equipped major essence or do you need to add it manually?
tiny arrow
ripe nimbus
I ran 4 alts through Naz starting quest and did the unshackled emissary on all of them finally got me socketed Crit boots
ripe nimbus
Yah I got so many fall damage socketed boots before I got the Crit ones. 5 socketed fall damage boots xD
spice surge
Fall damage ones are 
Im a panda rogue with those and i jump of every cliff everywhere without dying 
ripe nimbus
Value!!!
tiny arrow
Fuck, now I got fall dmg ones with socket
ripe nimbus
Cursed
hollow stone
Clearly you dont want it badly enough
carmine valve
Would you ever rupture in toxic blade window?
rigid mango
If you have to, you've missplayed
carmine valve
Like choice between reapplying rupture before TB delaying TB, or apply TB moment off CD and reapply rupture instead
rigid mango
You just planned poorly
spice surge
Ideally you dont have to, but if you have to you refresh rupture
carmine valve
so no matter make sure u dont have to reapply rupture in TB
solid nova
Yes, but that being said, if you have to, its better to reapply rupture during TB than letting it fall off
carmine valve
Ok aonther similar question
Is it worth wasting 1 CP from Toxic blade, like imagine you already have 5/5 combo point, and you want to use Toxic blade now, like it just came of CD?
bronze kelp
Yes it is
bronze kelp
The time not using it is worse
sweet flame
are sims for the palace trinkets accurate yet?
tepid ridge
yeah true
rigid mango
the other for all
upbeat geode
Boots prio 1
neat horizon
How are you guys faring in wpvp? Struggling with kills?
tepid ridge
thanks for the answers 😃
neat horizon
Wanted more answers about assassination in specific but sure
tepid ridge
not really sure about when to fish for boots
tepid ridge
should probably wait for M release week
ripe nimbus
Use alts to fish for boots and don't upgrade until ur proggin in EP incase they nerf
tepid ridge
so toxic oh it's sin chan all fine :p
tepid ridge
we can trade benthic stuff? 😮
tropic ocean
🙄🙄🙄🙄
tepid ridge
didn't even realised that
ripe nimbus
Yes the token is BoA
tepid ridge
so we should bank pearls for upgrades and farm on alts makes sense
rigid mango
Yes.
upbeat geode
are tokens locked on type? can i farm leather on shaman?
tepid ridge
pvp battle is 10 once /day aswell
topaz trout
do you think blood ess applies its crit bonuses before the damage
carmine valve
Would you delay your 2nd vendetta so your vanish can catch up? Since we are using subterfuge garrote from opener with first vendetta, delaying our first vanish for garrote to fall off
gentle path
what am i missing with putting blood in major, all my sims say otherwise and yet a lot of top logs are with blood in major socket
warped shoal
Hey Guys,
i used a Weak Aura from a Twitch Streamer, but i forgot his name
The only thing i still now is he had an powerpoint with his Weakaura and Plater profiles for easy installing, also he streamed mostly with his mythic+ friends
Thx in advance
carmine valve
Musclebrah?
solid nova
@warped shoal #wow-general - extremely vague question.
topaz trout
@gentle path are you using MA?
gentle path
i run both depending on the azerite im using, but yeah WA is the sim is what i had on
ma*
solid nova
@carmine valve Yes, its in the guide
warped shoal
@carmine valve nah wasnt musclebrah
topaz trout
but if you have two ess slots
two ess slots i see
yeah looks right
ohhh
its in the minor slot
thats weird
gentle path
yeah tahts what im wondering, alot of the logs im looking at have it in major
ripe nimbus
Do you have rank 3?
gentle path
just rank 2
topaz trout
its only r2 there
ripe nimbus
That's why
topaz trout
which might be why
ripe nimbus
They have rank 3
topaz trout
yeah
ripe nimbus
People had rank 3 on first day or two lol
ripe nimbus
It's not hard it's just mind numblingly boring xD
topaz trout
very boring
especially since I had to enlist as alliance for more honor/ap
which meant for me looking at the back side of a dark iron dwarf all day
gentle path
thanks
topaz trout
so yeah i tested and the crit bonuses from blood apply after the damage. which makes me feel like on ST, blood should be activated just before vanish and in AOE just after
faint harness
so we're delaying bote to every vanish?
solid nova
rigid mango
Probs after vendetta before tb
faint harness
yikes, with bote rank 3 as major both haste and mastery are at 4.22, many choices what do
faint harness
Right, so looking at current sim logs, the APL isnt even using the cyclotronic blast at all
gonna have to try using it anyway i guess
rigid mango
Unsure what's up w that one
faint harness
according to mystler its not implemented yet
but ive tried using it in random world content and it seems pretty good on top of the bis stats you can put in the trinket
rigid mango
ah
faint harness
it does about 150k dmg per use
faint harness
2 min
rigid mango
Doesn't seem bad
faint harness
it says its a channel but you can keep doing dps regularly while its channeling
so you dont lose any other dmg except for the 1 sec/1.5 sec cast
right now its only a 500 dps loss ish using the trinket without the use effect working
rigid mango
Compared to what?
rigid mango
hm
faint harness
a buddy of mine did some napkin math and said the on use effect should be about 1.4k dps
hazy iron
Ah yes
faint harness
like its a very special thing, it doesnt even put other use trinkets on cd
and it doesnt go on cd if you use another use trinket right before or anything
completely separate
hazy iron
Does the on use become a thing after putting in the 3rd punch card or something?
faint harness
and it has a 40 yard range
hazy iron
I’ve ignored my trinket
hazy iron
Oh nice
ripe nimbus
faint harness
i mean we're talking about the trinkets use in assassination spec
i think acquisition is a valid question in relation to that
solid nova
!warn @ripe nimbus If you want to arbitrarily troll the spec channels because you don't agree with rules, you can do it somewhere else. Not going to keep telling you on a daily basis.
hazy iron
Lol
tiny arrow
faint harness
Anyway, i'll test the trinket on some fights tonight, even if its a sim dps loss.
tardy jay
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faint harness
btw im looking at the APL in the sim log
and its using blood of the enemy after TB
really strange
sick pasture
Is it worth using Rank 2 blood over the others?
faint harness
lucid rank 2 was simming higher for me
but i got rank 3 blood
so it overtook lucid
as major
rigid mango
Is that r3 blood?
Because maybe it's worth w rank 3 for the crit dmg
but even then it feels weird
faint harness
its weird cus its using it mid TB
rigid mango
Feels as if it slots pretty well in between vend and vanish
faint harness
when you should be doing envenoms
rigid mango
idd
faint harness
gonna try sim it again and see if it uses it differently first, sometimes the action sequence is off
rigid mango
Fair
neat horizon
You guys feel 8.2 is a good patch to main rogue for every damn aspect this game throws at you from pvp to pve?
faint harness
yes
rigid mango
Sin is the best class for m+ by a far margin
Rogue*
It's arguably the best melee that doesn't grant some type of buff/dmg increase
faint harness
mechagon and beguiling is punishing for rogues
rigid mango
I'm unsure for pvp but idk
neat horizon
How are they punishing?
faint harness
well you cant skip with shroud
neat horizon
Sin should be able to be a crazy pick for beguiling though no?
rigid mango
it seems like it plays into rogue quite well
faint harness
so shroud becomes less valuable
neat horizon
Well afaik only void cant be skipped
rigid mango
we're still one of the best melee classes in teh game
faint harness
and they usually put that right into a pack of mobs that you used to skip
rigid mango
and for sin, beguiling plays into its strengths
faint harness
sneaky blizzurds
also they added some packs that are right where you would shroud in the past, like AD last week
rigid mango
Aye
neat horizon
Ah jeez
rigid mango
I mean that's the intent
faint harness
they are trying to crack down on shroud
rigid mango
Sorta
faint harness
its obvious
rigid mango
but weakly so
rigid mango
I mean
I'm pretty sure it's barely going to touch it that much
We're just shrouding other shit now
faint harness
Right, regardless of that. Rogue is really strong at everything.
rigid mango
Very much so.
neat horizon
Thing is, my dh is 120 and 415ilvl while my rogue’s still 103
quiet totem
Gearing doesn't take long atm with benthic etc
faint harness
livid hull
So cyclotronic blast from PSCD is op af ST. Was 1k dps increase over a 400 HLD and that's with the incorrect secondaries as the db has them just over half what the trinket actually gives on live. With that dps it puts the trinket in solid 2nd place. Nothing short of Azshara's Font of Power can beat it even if the trinket forges to 440.
rigid mango
Is it r3 or r2?
livid hull
actions.cds+=/use_item,name=pocketsized_computation_device
neat horizon
Will have to put more thought into this, seeing as dh might be gutted on pvp side now that healers have many tools to get mana back. But nonetheless thanks guys 😃
livid hull
I haven't experimented with holding for energy deficits or waiting for vend to drop but I suspect it won't matter much.
faint harness
I was a big advocator of the cycloblast so this is good news
well it gets buffed by vendetta dmg takent oo
livid hull
No
faint harness
are you sure?
livid hull
With 8.0 trinkets aren't affected by stuff like that
rigid mango
Pretty sure
rigid mango
vendetta increases only rogue abilities
faint harness
i have a vers on use trinket tho
so maybe thats why it does 170k sometimes
it makes sense, the vers activation increases each tick by 3k times 6
so 18k more
livid hull
I suspect it might actually be best to open with cyclotronic blast haha for the MA buff
faint harness
it cant crit
rigid mango
MA is like vend
livid hull
ah then let me make that change rf in the simc profile
rigid mango
Doesn't effect other shit either
faint harness
oh shit it was simming with crits 
rigid mango
It's limited to rogue stuff only too afaik
faint harness
thats a big dps loss
livid hull
Are we sure it can't crit?
Can't test it in game yet
Still 3k rep away from rev Mech 
I think you are wrong on MA. It should straight up increase your crit chance by 50% for 3s after stealth breaks.
faint harness
Been using it in pvp thus far, its really fun to burst ppl with it
rigid mango
Because it doesn't actually give you crit
ripe nimbus
Ur not wrong
rigid mango
it just gives you a flat amount of crit increase
lean thorn
Sup guys
What's the right amount of mobs that makes us spam 
without spending CP?
Considering EB x3 of course
rigid mango
on rogue abilities
livid hull
lame
lean thorn
After x3 rupture ofc
livid hull
I miss shoulders
rigid mango
@lean thorn 5+
But it's with the additional thing of
if there's a prio target where you can dump envenoms into that needs to die first
you can/should prio pumping prio dmg into it, esp if 2-3 ttk
lean thorn
Thanks for the answer, Zine
livid hull
Sure. Uh. How do I save a log from the simc app. It's been a while. I clicked save and nothing happens.
faint harness
just gyazo the dmg numbers otherwise
sick pasture
my sims tell me that using blood minor with lucid major is a dps lose over Lucid minor with CoF major 😮
rigid mango
That's not weird
seing as how lucid major is meh
blood minor is meh
and CoF major + lucid minor is really good
hollow stone
Cof is just good overall
rigid mango
^
hollow stone
It may not be bis, idk. But its good
faint harness
might be your stats
rigid mango
It seems close to blood
faint harness
if you have a bunch of haste lucid major loses value
rigid mango
Until r3 life we rolling whatever tbh
hollow stone
What zine said. Lucid minor is the big increase for sin, not the major
austere ruin
hello all, which potion u guys use on opener?
strange python
flame and bote are so close it seems that it literally doesnt matter which you use till r3 life i believe
faint harness
lucid major was beating CoF major by quite a bit for me when i was gemmed with mastery
hollow stone
But a significant chunk of the "lucid major > cof major" was due to lucid minor. If you can slot lucid as minor, using it as major loses value
faint harness
just equipping lucid in major made haste turn into my worst secondary stat
rigid mango
Was that with or without
hollow stone
Is basically what we're saying
rigid mango
2nd slot?
faint harness
with 2nd slot
rigid mango
hm
faint harness
lucid and bote outsims any other combination
by a few 100 dps
but yea thats blood r3
faint harness
yea i agree, i've had to swap complete gems twice now
lucid just tanks haste value
unless you swap to deeper
livid hull
faint harness
wow thats actually even lower dmg then it should do
per use
i'm assuming thats with 0% vers
cus mine is doing 25k flat per tick
and up to 27.5k ish with vers trinket popped
and that sim says 22k per tick
livid hull
5% vers
faint harness
still doing less dmg than it should, about 5k per tick
crimson condor
what gear are you guys using for raid? upgraded benthic?
rigid mango
2-3 upgraded benthic if rng lets me
faint harness
boots with increased crit dmg + socket
modest mason
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faint harness
its all i got atm
livid hull
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Was a minor dps increase. About 120 dps.
faint harness
so it wont use it straight away
livid hull
Basically it won't trigger during MA cause MA won't affect it
faint harness
i cant believe such an easy card to get would be this good
i'm just gonna assume somethings off or it will get nerfed
pessimistic brain
strange python
CoF is Crucible of Flame right?
faint harness
yas lad
livid hull
IDK im curious to see if the Mecha rings are broken af. Last I knew there was no internal CD. Logic loop of division + shorting bit band + BF/FOK could be broken AF.
faint harness
I dont know what effect those have
livid hull
15,643 Nature damage to a nearby enemy anytime you damage an enemy from behind. enemy not target and it doesn't say ability just damge
faint harness
also GL getting the best combination
But back to the trinket
even if its not bis for PVE, its much fun for PVP i urge anyone to try it out, give it a shot
the 40 yard range is crazy too
austere ruin
question, which potion u guys use on opener?
carmine valve
!essence
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livid hull
I can't really comment on the rings yet cause simc hasn't implemented them yet it seems.
faint harness
the simc devs are all busy with playing the game
livid hull
And that's code side not profile
faint harness
ngl, i've spent 4-5 hours a day just doing wq swoops, naz/mech, rares, fishing
livid hull
yeaaaa
carmine valve
I tried to find guide about pooling, but ravenholdt and wowhead dont mention it. Would you use envenom in elaborate plan buff, or use it in previuos envenom buff, or would you wait til both fall off
empty badge
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livid hull
Pooling is minor at best but wait to refresh so EP doesn't drop.
hazy torrent
Why are there people generating sims for ilvl 440 kaja fried bananas and doom shrooms
livid hull
With lust, + lucid + np you'll be gcd locked for about 60s after the fight starts.
carmine valve
so emphazize on keeping EP, envenom buff is mostly ignored
But would you push for 4-5 combo point envenom inside EP?
livid hull
You pool so you can refresh ep
faint harness
ngl i dont really play around EP
livid hull
As I said it's minor
faint harness
i play around TB but not EP
hollow stone
Lucid changed pooling. Depending on the stage of your rotation changes the answer to your question. Within vend/lucid major, yoou gcd cap so youre going to be clipping ep and env buffs constantly. Outside of that huge energy regen window, you just dont overcap on E or cps and youre not losing potential dps
livid hull
You would envenom only if energy is going to cap @carmine valve
hollow stone
Setting up your tb windows is the most important
If youre flooded, and can reasonably do so without negatively impacting your tb window you want to env right at the last possible second of an ep window (0.1 sec remaining, or whatever)
carmine valve
ok so just before EP is about to fall off, at the same time make sure you get as much envenoms u can get before TB falls off
hollow stone
Getting 3 envs in a tb window is pretty easy now with lucid minor
So if youre not getting 3, you need to plan your tb better
carmine valve
Outside of TB, what are your usually goal of EP, the way im thinking is 1-2 Mutilate inside EP, then pool energy for envenom and another 1-2 mutilate in the new EP
but then I wont be able to envenom in EP, since im pooling for 1-2 mutilates
livid hull
actions.direct=envenom,if=combo_points>=4&(debuff.vendetta.up|debuff.toxic_blade.up|energy.deficit <=25+variable.energy_regen_combined|!variable.single_target)
hollow stone
Outside, like push said, its not worth trying to play around, think of ep as a bonus not something to chase. Its better to play around muts in env windows outside of tb for better chance at dd procs
Tldr; dw about ep as much as you are
livid hull
So you'd env if vendetta is up, toxic blade is up, energy deficit is >25 or you have more than 1 target
dark crag
hollow stone
Cof major lucid minor but if you want a real answer, you gotta sim it
tropic ocean
livid hull
lucid major + cof minor based on what you currently have but sim yourself
Actually I think AJ's rec might be better if you have r2 cof
hollow stone
He did so it probably is but yea, simminy cricket
livid hull
Yeah napkin math says COF major & lucid minor would win by about 400 dps.
slim jolt
Raidbots doesnt show Omnipurpose Efficient Logic Board or Subroutine: Overclock?
carmine valve
You kinda need to manually find the Id of the gem and replace it with your in the /simc line
slim jolt
DO you know which ones better just as a flatline?
civic palm
Yeah, another trinket entirely. Between those though?
blissful basin
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livid hull
yeah best to sim yourself. For instance I have r2 cof, lucid and boe. My best combo is lucid maj and blood minor.
33k st
grave lodge
Am i the only one having issues simming the mechagon punchcard trinket? Trying to figure out if its better than the Highborne Compendium of Sundering one
deft nymph
what's the problem
grave lodge
it only show the red punchcard in the sim
deft nymph
i hear it's pretty bad and sundering is pretty good
mine shows the yellow too but it sims bad
faint harness
the cyclotronic blast is really good
its not even used in regular sims, thats why its "simming bad"
deft nymph
ah i got the rearranger
faint harness
the cyclotronic blast is bought when you're revered from the quartermaster
deft nymph
ahh
timber meadow
are the haste/mastery boots with the crit bonus worth boosting to 420 for raid?
rigid mango
Pins.
rigid mango
Yep
frail knoll
And it can be a real pain as the boots themselves are pretty rare compared to other boots
deft nymph
what do you mean you don't want reduced fall dmg?
cosmic pier
bring back no fall damage sub passive 
rigid mango
There's no less and more % chance to get them I don't think
I got more crit boots than anything else
Regardless the evidence is anecdotal
cosmic pier
yeah gotta remember most peoples sample sizes are prety small
timber meadow
yueah i just got the boots from the wq but no socket
rigid mango
idk, people believe in anecdotal evidence bound to their findings 
frail knoll
i mean idk, but i bought like 15-20 boots, got more other boots with socket than actual crit boots without
in other hand i got my belt with socket first try so maybe you're right
rigid mango
Ofc, sockets are an added % chance
wooden fog
How do u get CoF essence?
rigid mango
From literally doing the intro?
wooden fog
Ok
frail rose
btw what ilvl is dropping end of dungeon next week?
deft nymph
415 from +5
i think the forge cap will be maxed next week tho? 455 if you're luckboi?
hollow stone
I thought they capped forging on week 1 of a new season to prevent people from spamming m+ to mythic raid gear before mythic is out
So it would max at like 440 or something
Idk for sure tho
Ill see myself to gen chat
ripe nimbus
U are correct
deep flicker
is the bentic armor list not pinned? i saw it the other day but cant find it right now 😒 if anyone be so kind to repost it
deep flicker
first pin i see is about the essences
deep flicker
nvm saw it :p
hollow stone
Its at the bottom of that
deep flicker
yeah i was blind
rigid mango
was
dim sigil
strange python
my belt is almost 430 but still havent rolled boots or wrists yet ruh roh
Mythic week
faint canopy
Yo anyone know if the new trait Loyal to the end stacks x3?
cuz that would be too insane
1350 haste vers and crit to everyone when someone dies
hollow stone
Is that the parse cheese one where you get hella stats when a homie dies?
faint canopy
Yes
hollow stone
Should stack
hollow stone
Idk for sure
hollow stone
Dream eleem has spoken
faint canopy
everyone gets 15% raw dmg from vers, 16% crit and 20% haste?
for the rest of the fight?
spice surge
wat
hollow stone
*** only if using the trait
meager nebula
Isn't it just for a duration
faint canopy
each loyal to the end gives 450mastery if at least 8 persons have it
so if you stack it x3
it should give 1350 mastery
then when someone dies
hollow stone
Id have to read it again. But pretty sure it only procs if the dead guy and you both have it
faint canopy
it gives everyone (who has the trait) 1350 of every other stat
If that's the case the trait is literally mandaroty for raid
mandatory*
hollow stone
Either way, trait designed around homies dying is terrible design, likely wont be used for prog, and will be funsy for parses (this is all pure opinion and speculation, believe at your own risk)
rigid mango
Like
faint canopy
everyone else with the trait gets lust
hollow stone
Bro
hollow stone
Youre sacrificing the use of other traits too
rigid mango
if someone dies you get 450
hollow stone
Its not just "here's stats"
rigid mango
It's not anything special
rigid mango
yes
faint canopy
but if you have 3?
faint canopy
That's what i was asking to begin with
i don't know if it stacks
but it sounds like it should
hollow stone
Id have to read again, but if it specifies a cap, 3x will still have the same cap
faint canopy
herodamage shows an increase in dmg if you stackx3
wooden fog
doees anyone know how to get the 3rd rank for Crrucible of flame?
spice surge
rigid mango
At 430 it's capped at 167 + 334 according to wowhead
@wooden fog 60 neck
litearlly just google it my dude
wooden fog
thanks
spice surge
But yes, if the increased stat buff is permanent it will be exceptionally strong
rigid mango
I don't ever see it stacking insanely tho
one of the two components of the trait is going
either the flat or the added stat per close
spice surge
Well, 350 of every stat is pretty good
rigid mango
Probably second
350 of every stat when someone dies
yeah
It's only mastery
Until people die
hollow stone
Idk, im unconvinced that the stats you get outweigh the dps from a better trait + the homie w a better trait still being alive
spice surge
Aszhara has a mechanic that literally kills people
rigid mango
That too
meager nebula
If it's perma, you just get a shaman killed off the bat
spice surge
Like vael in classic
rigid mango
Just stragiht up?
meager nebula
And they ankh
hollow stone
Like, consider raid dps, not just your dps
spice surge
Thats only on mythic though iirc
rigid mango
I mean that being said idk how good this'll be on prog
maybe if u int on farm
but realistically wasting ankh/br on prog seems risky
and not really worth it
unless you're really sure on what you're doing and need the dps check
faint canopy
it's not just some dps if it's perma
it's perma lust + perma crit buff + perma 15% extra raw dps
meager nebula
You could test the duration if you ask a homie to buy a benthic piece with it on
rigid mango
If you're going off the wowhead tooltip
I wouldn't
it suggested the crit pot being forever too
With lack of wording
hollow stone
Sure, but do those increases out dps another homie being alive the whole fight? I highly doubt it does
rigid mango
But idk, if it's perma then maybe
rigid mango
but even then, using ankh/br for scarier situation seems better on prog atleast
meager nebula
Well
turbid zealot
!essences
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meager nebula
If nobody checks it I'll test it tonight
hollow stone
Imo, just let the chinese masters of cheese figure it out and then mimic them
spice surge
If the buff is permanent then that trait is absolutely insane, which is why i assume it is not and probably only lasts 10-20s
rigid mango
indeed
faint canopy
I don't have any friends
I have the benthic armor with it
but i need someone else
Anyone wanna test it rn?
iron heath
which piece should i upgrade first ?
supple monolith
Can anyone help me why is so hard to do dmg on m+
hollow stone
All aboot dem traits for m+
iron heath
this helps ty!
sudden trench
Sin with 3 x echo, with blood = profit
hollow stone
Lucid is likely better. But i can def see having fun with blood
tropic ocean
with beguiling and depending how it is tuned I can imagine having a st blast essence will help a lot
spice surge
Well yes, if you dont need more aoe damage you dont use the aoe damage essence
hollow stone
Probably is, like you said, for now. Once we can get all r3, and blizz does their tuning bullshit next week or the week after, we'll have to reevaluate
hollow stone
And did more dmg (of course) since its longer cd now XD
wooden fog
Crucible of flame was doing like 10-12% of my dmg for rank 2 with lucid minor, this viable?
hollow stone
Anyone check out if kraken's eye > 50 haste gem (or whatever stat youre gemming)? Looks like you can use 1 kraken eye and 1 leviathan eye if you want
Yes. Thats viable, of course
Sim if you want ideal
spice surge
Isnt that only 60 agi?
hollow stone
Buffed it to 80 i believe
wooden fog
Does raidbots sim essences now?
spice surge
Yes
wooden fog
Ooo ty
hollow stone
So it would be 80agi vs 50 of your best secondary
spice surge
Then probably worth
hollow stone
227.2 vs 189 w your values
tropic ocean
yea
spice surge
Immersion breaking, my character has two eyes not one
rigid mango
marble hemlock
you clearly have no eyes, else you wouldnt have gone through with creating a panda
rigid mango
You're horrible.
kindred cedar
I upgraded boots for manapearl, is there anyway to rollback the upgrade?
to get the manapearls back
hollow stone
No. And dont bother opening a ticket. No way blizz will refund you
vernal mauve
!essences
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odd rampart
Remeber when blizz made you spend Mana pearls to get abyssal focus, then removed the quest and never refunded the approx. 75 pearls? Good times
civic palm
Nope.
tropic ocean
Fk blizz
civic palm
w a o w, what a statement. 👉 #wow-general 
dire spoke
simple meteor
boys the benthic wrist the best are the frost dmg and 15% slow right?
vapid scarab
odd rampart
@civic palm mb
muted cove
If I have the boots from CoS at 425 should I still consider getting the benethic boots?
rigid mango
Yes
Use gear compare to see the diff
And if it's an increase and worth while to you
muted cove
I don't have the actual boots so im using Droptimizer to see
muted cove
ah didnt know. I thought it just compared sets of gear you already have
rigid mango
You can do both 😄
honest needle
how much of a dps difference is it when u get 55 neeck to unlock minor essence
rigid mango
A fair bit
honest needle
is it a huge dps overal difference
rigid mango
Everyone should have it if you're raiding hc atleast
honest needle
like if i dont have it can i still beat some 1 in dps if they do have it if im a better player ?
honest needle
raid launches this week
honest needle
im only 51 neck
rigid mango
I'm 52 and I missed 5 days
honest needle
i havent been caring about neck level cause i play several toons
rigid mango
Idk, pick one and grind on it
I'd say
But if you're not pushing anything high, it wont matter
honest needle
i havent done islands or worldwuest for ap in 4 months. I just raid and do m+. I just started doing dailies again for flying
muted cove
whats the fastest way to grind to 55, without banging my head against my keyboard doing islands lol
rigid mango
That too
distant lava
it's huge too
distant lava
9k9 ap total
rigid mango
It's a lot yeah
Just doing all the WQ's and your island cap each week shouldn't be that bad
honest needle
so its worth doing full normal and bod heropic clears
rigid mango
I spend about an hour a day doing that shit and then late night island spam when people've gone to bed
solid nova
honest needle
i dont like playing 1 toon so it really sucks to grind neck on multiple toons
muted cove
so just spam islands until i feel like deleting wow gotcha
rigid mango
Like richard said though, it's a #wow-general convo
sleek umbra
does lucid major devalue haste for us?
sleek umbra
ah ok, thought i was going crazy for it wanting me to be at like 13%
rigid mango
Nah it'll devalue it a lot
but don't dump haste gear yet since you'll probs not run lucid major in a while
quaint roost
!Essence
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sleek umbra
yeah, was mostlying wondering about for my sockets, been wanting me to stack mast
thanks for the info tho
sleek umbra
ill keep simming over the next few days when i get minor unlocked and stuff
white basalt
@day pretty sure you can only get 8100 total AP from BoD. Doing it on another difficulty wont give you more AP. Also, all difficulties give the same AP
nimble tartan
is it if you don’t get loot
muted cove
Will Vision of Perfection be the go to essence until we can get condensed life-force or will it just depend on the situation?
distant lava
best is lucid dreams right now
rigid mango
like, visions minor is worth more or less nothing