assassination

[worldly seal]

ty

[rancid bobcat]

What's a good trait combo for dungeons? I've saved a lot of 420 azerite so I can run a lot of combos of twist/echo/shroud

though i don't think i can cut one of those completely to run 3/3

running 2/2/2 atm

[jaunty comet]

Are the guide's recommendations for potions up to date? SBPot of Agility and Focused Resolve?

[civic palm]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/

[stable plinth]

Benthic boots and belt with a socket @dim flicker

[civic palm]

Don't make me make some pasta

[dim flicker]

What does the belt do?

[jaunty comet]

I read the guide but I just want to be sure because the SBPoA is lvl100, first time being a pure DPS in a long time and dont want to make an ass out of myself. At least in game.

[rancid bobcat]

wat

[prisma cypress]

how close to Elaborate Planning do you suppose Blindside needs to be in order for the execute damage to be better (in terms of killing bosses, not personal numbers)?

[civic palm]

It needs to be BETTER than EP.

For reference, it wasn't better when we had a 5min execute phase.

Though that was Uldir, course.

[prisma cypress]

wasn't better by what metric

[civic palm]

Did more damage than the other options, we're DPS I am not sure what other metric there is.

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[prisma cypress]

well that's why i said in terms of killing bosses

[civic palm]

o _o

[prisma cypress]

i understand it's almost always going to be lower dps than EP unless the boss remains in execute range for a longer time for whatever reason

but on a lot of fights, the later phases are harder/more hectic/difficult for healers etc, so it might be more useful to have your damage backloaded to the end of the fight to get through the hard part faster

[civic palm]

Nope do damage as well as you can, there's no secret.

[prisma cypress]

for that reason i think blindside would be superior if they were identical overall dps

[civic palm]

They're not.

[vocal kelp]

the fact that Double Dose is a powerful trait for ST makes it even worse since it removes mutilate after 30% or whatever it is

[prisma cypress]

so logically it stands to reason that there's some threshold where if it's close enough, it'd be better in practice

i don't think you get what i'm saying but i hope someone else does

i think it's an interesting discussion to have

[civic palm]

I get, exactly, what you are saying.

It's still not better.

[warm cave]

Nothing synergizes with it on azerite gear well or at all and that's a big part of your damage

[prisma cypress]

ok let's say they're exactly equal in overall dps... if one helps you get through the hard part of the fight faster and the other helps the same across both hard and easy portions of the fight, would you agree that the execute talent would be better in practice?

[warm cave]

That's really situational but without a doubt I think blindside would trail behind on damage

[civic palm]

They're not equal.

No reason for hypotheticals when the founding theory isn't the truth.

Blindside was good ONE TIME this expansion, when you had VERY poor gear.

[prisma cypress]

again, it's not about the damage alone, it's about when you're able to leverage that damage output most effectively to help the raid get through the fight

having higher dps in the hardest part of the fight seems more important to me than having higher dps in the easy parts

so if they were equal, the execute talent would come out ahead unless the fight starts out hard and gets easier

but most fights get harder at the end

[fast forum]

lmfao

[civic palm]

EP is higher DPS in the hardest part of the fight.

...

So...

yeah.

[prisma cypress]

is it, though?

[warm cave]

The ability isn't strong enough even in your ideal situation is what I think we're trying to explain

[prisma cypress]

well my original question was how close would it need to be in order for it to be worth losing the little bit of overall dps in order to get that extra execute damage

i understand that may or may not be the case currently

[warm cave]

Yah man, go download simulationcraft and run the simulation yourself

[civic palm]

It would have to do more DPS in Execute than EP does, that's "how close".

[prisma cypress]

it's hard to imagine that blindside wouldn't outperform EP in execute alone lol

[civic palm]

It doesn't.

There.

It didn't when there was a FIVE MINUTE EXECUTE PHASE.

It would need a dramatic buff to ever be worth it.

Gotta realize that EP buffs everything you do in that phase, whereas Blindside is just itself.

[prisma cypress]

is there a way to specify boss starting hp% in simc?

[echo cargo]

EP buffs all damage, Blindside is just an execute

[civic palm]

Probably but that's a useless metric most of the time.

[prisma cypress]

well it'd be the way to evaluate whether it's better in execute or not

[echo cargo]

Blindside would need to be like, a hyper-execute for it to be better than EP

[meager nebula]

there is an execute patchwerk option in raidbots

[echo cargo]

in the realm of 75% than it is now lol

• then you need to use other Azerite traits as well

So maybe if there's a boss similar to the last boss of EoA that lasts for 7 minutes and you're running exsang 😂

[civic palm]

We're basically waiting on a Trait to make it worth it.

or a buff, but I think if anything it will be a trait.

and so long Double Dose exists there is a 0% chance of ever using it without a buff.

Ever.

[nimble tartan]

blindside

[shy dust]

Miz stated even with a 5 min execute phase it still lost out on dps

And yah still had to argue it lol

[civic palm]

By 0% I really mean that.

But it's in the Top 20 combinations in the combinator SIMs

you might say.

But it's also 3% behind, while being in the Top 20.

[prisma cypress]

it's 1.5% behind for me, in general, with 1x double dose. but for the last time, the question wasn't even about whether it's ahead or behind overall

[civic palm]

But HOW MUCH BETTER it would have to be to win out.

3%

[prisma cypress]

it was about how close it would need to be overall in a world where it does more in execute and less overall

[civic palm]

ish

It's not worth the GLOBAL when it's free. > _>

It might as well not exist in your rotation, only exist in Execute, and when you press the button you're bench for the fight because we're not sure why the FUCK you picked Blindside.

We got a Warrior instead of you.

[prisma cypress]

idk i don't use it i just thought it was interesting to consider the value of execute damage vs overall damage

[civic palm]

No such thing in regards to a boss.

Your "overall boss damage" is just as worth your "execute damage".

[bleak spoke]

it's weaker than mut in execute because it doesn't proc dd

[civic palm]

It was weaker BEFORE we had DD > _>

[bleak spoke]

^

[arctic walrus]

Bruh blindeside is 5% behind EP for me even on a 10 MINUTE execute phase

[bleak spoke]

LOL

[civic palm]

That's not his question though, he's wondering what the change would have to be like.

Just have it do 10x DMG.

ezpz there ya go

[bleak spoke]

hey miz/tisu for 2t do you rupture the offtarget in your tb or just let it sit with just the garrote until after tb?

i can't seem to figure out a consistent thing that feels better

[civic palm]

Rupture OT if there is no downtime.

[plucky stream]

@bleak spoke Id rupture OT, more energy regen

[civic palm]

Don't refresh DoTs in TB if you are losing a ENV.

[bleak spoke]

before or after toxic blade?

yeah exactly my thought that i didn't want to lose an env

[civic palm]

If you could get a 5CP ENV off instead, ENV.

[bleak spoke]

oh so if it's like 3 or 4 cp just rupture the off target or something?

[civic palm]

You can low CP refresh during TB so long you are getting 2x + ENV during the TB.

[bleak spoke]

ah okay

[civic palm]

Again though, if you cannot keep a poison on the target for 100% of the Bleed duration, it is not worth muilti-dotting.

[bleak spoke]

fair

[civic palm]

There's probably a breakpoint in there somewhere but it's a good general rule.

Look @ encounters like...

Cabal vs. UuU

Cleave on Cabal because there's a HIGH CHANCE you have 2 targets in melee at all times.

ST on UuU because of the HEAVY movement requirement.

and iffy add uptime.

[bleak spoke]

Yeh

How are the fights this tier looking

[civic palm]

Be more specific.

[bleak spoke]

The coming tier*

In terms of cleave vs st

[civic palm]

About the same number of ST fights as BoD.

[bleak spoke]

So half of them I guess

[civic palm]

There are some mechanics that you might have to move to manage but they are manageable.

~3

This is without knowing the fights on Mythic, though I am not sure that could change much without getting you benched for being melee to begin with.

[bleak spoke]

I think I need to sit at a dummy and work on assa cleave again, I’ve played too much outlaw m+ this last season to still be comfortable

and me no want bencho

[civic palm]

Just apply rupture, MUT to keep poison on.

I am not sure if Garrote is worth the energy use.

[bleak spoke]

garrote's a hefty commitment yeah

[lean coral]

anyone using blood of the enemy in raid?

its simming higher for me

[vivid hill]

yep

bote + minor lucid

[placid dawn]

how much higher?

[vagrant wigeon]

can someone tell me what part in nazjatar stuff we need to upgrade?

[hollow cloak]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pCrzk4z27WFt7RsLcGixPG

can someone help me

how versa is now good for assa?

[quartz dew]

guide says to use empowered prox on 3 targets, but at 360 per surely it would have to be 4 targets

oh you get 360 base and 3x 360 for the mobs

[lusty narwhal]

How the fk is everyone simming at 33k

[rigid mango]

It's not that hard

I've seen optimised sims at 35k

[lusty narwhal]

Im on at 30.1k with basically identical gear to the above person

Not sure how

[rigid mango]

Sockets?

Daggers?

Trink?

[quartz dew]

he has triple OP too

[hollow cloak]

@lusty narwhal i even have 54 neck

so when i have 55 then 34k ez

[civic palm]

basically the same thing

[lusty narwhal]

2x 425 daggers, 4 sockets, maxed enchants, 410 lurkers, 415 kimbul 🤷🏻‍♂️

Guess Ill have to check again

[zenith gust]

32k with shittiest daggers ever https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wZEqmsBAB79VJ62NohceYk

[lusty narwhal]

Yeah ok I must have something ticked or entered wrong lol

[quartz dew]

almost 33 with no op sadtime azerite
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/32NvxEyC46MBwE8QTecCRA

[arctic walrus]

Just have 9 sockets, it's that easy

[strange python]

so dummie question

why does garrote increase from 18 secs to 23 seconds when applied twice from stealth

and why does rupture last 31 seconds at 5 combo points instead of what's in the spell that's 24 seconds

[quartz dew]

up to 30% of the previous applications duration is added on to the next

[strange python]

that explains garrote, but rupture??

[civic palm]

Same deal.

...

[strange python]

fresh 5 combo point rupture, no reapplication last 31 seconds

on the spell it says 5 points: 24,732 over 24 sec

[civic palm]

Correct.

[strange python]

why am I getting 7 more seeconds

where does it come from

[civic palm]

You're not. Screenshot?

[strange python]

I am not, you're right

[quartz dew]

even deeper strat only puts it at 29 O_o

or 28

[strange python]

R.I.P. my brain

[civic palm]

👌

[strange python]

are you at work or something mizerok

i've seen you on here all day xD

now is this because of an innate ability to rogues, or do all classes have the same thing?

[civic palm]

It's a game thing.

@strange python It's complicated.

[quartz dew]

used to be warlock only "pandemic" but everyone's had it for a while now

[strange python]

🤔

thank you for your answers and patience ❤

[civic palm]

NP

[strange python]

does feint reduce the damage from grong's tantrum?

[civic palm]

Yep.

It's an AoE ability, Feint reduces AoE damage.

[strange python]

❤

[civic palm]

UNLESS

[polar forge]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8NNwTj57KpRwXvQBDPX9s6
take the ttk on the helm?

[civic palm]

It's flagged to NOT reduce the damage.

[strange python]

what mizerok... now im confused

[modest oyster]

when is best time to use Lucid major

after 3 secs of Vend?

so you don't cap energy

[civic palm]

There are several cases in BfA where Feint DOES NOT reduce the AoE damage you might take because reasons.

< 50 energy

Use Lucid.

[strange python]

do we know which cases those are?

[civic palm]

If you NRG cap it's not the end of the world so long you are GCD locked and mashing shit.

There's a list, I do not remember them all.

IMO just hit Feint and watch the raid frames to see.

ezpz

or cloak it.

It's magic damage O _O

[strange python]

can you cloak grong's tantrum?

[civic palm]

Yessir.

[polar forge]

yes

[strange python]

😮

[civic palm]

BUT WHY?!

[prisma cypress]

it's nature damage

[civic palm]

Because Alliance has an undead variant of the boss.

and it does SHADOW damage.

and if Alliance could magic immune it but not the Horde...

[quartz dew]

yea, I feint the slams/throws instead

[civic palm]

wooboi.

[prisma cypress]

alliance 😂

[quartz dew]

or did on prog, just cloak the hard tantrum and be healed on the easy ones

[civic palm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[strange python]

thanks guys

[polar forge]

can someone give some input on the sim i sent pls, double NP doesnt sim that strong for me it seems

[civic palm]

As compared to?

[polar forge]

ttk

[spare dust]

Does the ttk piece have overwhelming power

[polar forge]

they both do

[quartz dew]

I mean it's 15 dps difference, and np is always going to do all it's damage and you have lurkers.

so I'd take the np but that's 90% feelcraft

[zenith gust]

do the new trinkets sim correctly¿ its siming better than a socketed 400 harlans

[civic palm]

It's week -2 as far as balance tuning goes.

[polar forge]

thanks, just wondering what you guys would do in my shoes

[vagrant wigeon]

which armbands we need to upgrade ?

[civic palm]

None of them?

Lemme check.

There's a few of them that could be good.

Dunno though.

The possible socket and item is more important until we learn more about proc rates and damage, etc.

[vagrant wigeon]

kk

[warm harbor]

is any benethic armour good for sin this tier, in terms of mythic prog?

[civic palm]

If you are min-maxing then you are going to want to get a socket in;

There might be a good wrist as well, but there are a few choices there.

[reef peak]

I just got The Boots and Wrists with socket

[civic palm]

woop

[zenith gust]

wait, simming 200 more dps when putting a TTK instead of a NP, wtf? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/usgLtu4zt4PiATeAQZBf3W

[strange python]

is the new enchant good?

[civic palm]

yers

[rigid mango]

@zenith gust it's the OP trait on the chest

Cepha is the bis piece because of OP

[zenith gust]

i see

so if OP doesnt proc enough might be a loss right? maybe NP is more reliable? i'm just making this up, but makes some kind of sense to me

[rigid mango]

Nah, cepha is better

[spice surge]

The haste from overwhelming power is immensely better than any other trait in that row

[rigid mango]

Funny.

[spice surge]

Even though NP is better than ttk, the different in overwhelming vs something else in that row is so large it doesnt matter

YES ITS VERY FUNNY

[zinc cliff]

was highborne proc fixed?

[reef peak]

Yes

[zinc cliff]

rip, dmg nerf tho

[reef peak]

Still a good trinket to use. it sims better than my 410 dice

or any of my other 400 Trinkets

[warm harbor]

have the sims been changed to even account for this change yet?

[reef peak]

yes

Look at Bloodmallet

[warm harbor]

ah true, but i noticed doing some m+ yesterday that FoK doesn't add stacks to your targets which severly limits is usefulness in AoE

[ancient onyx]

!Essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[crisp hollow]

when do i use lucid active in the rotation?

[civic palm]

< 50 NRG

GONNA NEED A COMMAND FOR THIS AT THIS RAAAAAAAAAAAAATE

[celest mirage]

lol

[crisp hollow]

do it

[civic palm]

:3

[crisp hollow]

capitalize on my shame

FINISH HIM

[hollow stone]

!lucid

?????

[civic palm]

youwish

[hollow stone]

Cmon

[icy ember]

!essrank

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essence chart: https://bit.ly/2xdr7P8

[rough agate]

How important are the crit dam boots with socket from benthic

[civic palm]

not

[vast forum]

not something you can't play without, but pretty goo

good

[rough agate]

ok ty

have wasted a lot on trying for it already

[timber meadow]

dang is plummage like not that great for assa?

[spice surge]

What else would you spend your pearls on though

[timber meadow]

my 395 lurkers is simmin better than 420 plummage

[spice surge]

Plummage is great

Lurkers is absolutely insane

[vast kelp]

which of the new pots is better?

[arctic walrus]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pTa3GhS5U8nvmGADnPzCHL

36k

[cobalt gyro]

Wonder if getting my minor essence will add that much damage

[civic palm]

650ish dps

oh wait nevermind they ruined HD, there's one that's like 750dps

[feral shadow]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[arctic walrus]

I got a 420 socket kimbul that bumped me up 700 dmg

[elfin plaza]

Vers is a lot higher on my stat weights now

Also simming 9 sockets is such a chore 😦

[strange python]

so, you wqant the boots and wrists?

whats our best pot for prepot?

raid

[spice surge]

@strange python Boots and belt, crit damage and aberration damage are the effects youre looking for

[strange python]

tjaml ypu!

thank you*

[spice surge]

With a socket. I'd suggest starting with boots because they are better against all bosses

Whereas the belt is only good for 2

[strange python]

got the boots. socketed haste mastery. Worth upgrading them already?

[spice surge]

Yes

Its 3% crit damage, its almost surely better than what you're wearing already when you've upgraded them once or twice (besides high ilvl crucible boots)

Afaik the bonuses are not in simc yet, but its roughly 1½ dwarf racial, and the dwarf racial gives you around 1.1% dmg

[rotund pier]

can anyone tell me why my dps is so low-considering my ilvl, gear,and 55 neck??? im lost,should be higher,ive simmed it every which way

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vZNp4s5iWtj96Vtm4yyva9

[vapid scarab]

you don't have a single socket

[rotund pier]

one in cloak

but like thats not going to make 2-4k difference

i have 3 dd and 2 np, decent trinks, decent stat distribution, decent 2 essences, should be higher i thought

[spice surge]

Well, one socket is worth like 200-250 dps

Also you dont have any of the CoS boots or legs, both of which sim insanely high

Why did you upgrade benthic legs without a socket??????

[rotund pier]

my previous pants were very bad, did some early upgrading

i have H CoS boots/pants but both boots/pants i have on sim higher

[spice surge]

That seems unlikely

And also, your older pants sim higher

[rotund pier]

they do not

[spice surge]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rqCNDLzH8eeZcK9izayoGL

You are massively underestimating the value of sockets

[rotund pier]

sorry thought u meant cos

[spice surge]

On most pieces they're worth around 15-20 ilvls, on some pieces upwards of 30-40

[rotund pier]

but is it worth dropping 3 ivls of HP for 200dps

[spice surge]

Yes

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/viBPYMK4F45GA88VgWTcZB

Also the boots do sim higher, so idk

[hazy iron]

I literally upgraded my benthic gloves with shit trait for now because it has a socket, replacing 420 gloves. Finger crossed I get socketed belt and / or boots.

[strong sigil]

Question for all the other sin rogues, would twist the knife still be better than arcane heart?

[vapid scarab]

sim it

[nimble tartan]

i love the boots and legs from cos

i cant believe we never have to kill uunat again god bless america

[hazy iron]

I’ve not used my boots much due to paranoia in dropping stacks

[cosmic vine]

So poton of Focused resolve is taking me out of stealth

[nimble tartan]

boots are good dude

[spice surge]

Most damage sources do not remove the stacks

For example on conclave you have 100% uptime

[cosmic vine]

its so annoying

[nimble tartan]

boots uptime on uunat p good time at full stacks https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/vmMaXV8THRDxn63q#fight=19&type=auras&source=30&ability=295278

[spice surge]

Yeah and boots are about as good as other boots at 4-5 stacks

[nimble tartan]

gotta simmie and see how much better these benthic boots are gonna be

[spice surge]

They seem to be roughly as good as my 425 socket ones

(425 benthic with a socket that is)

Which is also roughly as good as 455 boots with a socket

[nimble tartan]

man this makes having alts so good to just accumulate a lot of pearls

im too casual for that

[spice surge]

Needs to be alts of the same armor type but yeah

Or atleast i think so, i couldnt find non-leather ones

[nimble tartan]

the boots in the sims assume you are in eternal palace by default right

[acoustic sleet]

I spent 75 mana pearls for the boots lol best i got is an upgraded speed stat😭😭

[spice surge]

The bonuses arent implemented in simc but i compared dwarf racial to no racial and then added roughly 50% to that

But yeah

[nimble tartan]

are they not

[spice surge]

Obv boots arent as good outside of palace

Or well maybe they are

I just dont know the name of the boots 😄

[nimble tartan]

yeah they are haha

akana's reefstrider

[spice surge]

When i did the comparisons a while ago i dont think they were 😉

But maybe

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mBgVDt4nZxHqBbn6DUK5LS
@nimble tartan

[cobalt pelican]

this is at 425 on the benthic?

[spice surge]

ye

I also dont have 55 yet for the extra minor, but i doubt that would change any of these comparisons

[cobalt pelican]

azshara haste raid buff thing for leather is gloves and boes are wrists/gloves so they seem to be the best start to finish basically

i doubt i'll be able to get mine to 425 in time for raid opening though with how little i do

[acoustic sleet]

I guess it would be worth to reroll until we get the pearl with socket

[nimble tartan]

alright i spent all my pearls

and didnt get a socket

i spent 200

hell ye

[cobalt pelican]

i spent around 80 and got them socketed

but i think i was fairly lucky

[nimble tartan]

i got sockets on the other trash ones oh well

next time

[acoustic sleet]

you get about 500 pearls per week

lol dw

or more

[cobalt pelican]

i'm at 405 ilvl on them now, will probably end at 415 or whatever by raid opening

i definitely do not get 500 pearls a week

the week is just ending in eu and i probably got like 250

[acoustic sleet]

yesterday i got 75

[spice surge]

@cobalt pelican There is no haste buff thing for leather

[acoustic sleet]

probably a wq

[spice surge]

Only crit, and thats on belt

[cobalt pelican]

but i didn't really go out of my way to do everything every single day

the gloves from azshara?

[spice surge]

Gloves are the damage effect

Belt is the raidwide crit bonus every 2 mins

[cobalt pelican]

oh shit yea

i just saw storm and was like uhh

these are all the same

[jolly spoke]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vG231MEixPGKsqNtrQQjQu

what can i improve on? seems like my dps is so low.

[cobalt pelican]

guess i shouldn't look at loot tables at 4am

[spice surge]

That proc is absolutely insane when everybody has it, its basicly another lurkers for us

Since its every 2 mins and lines up with vendetta perfectly

[cobalt pelican]

FREE damage

nothing could satisfy me more

[spice surge]

So when most or everybody has those effects, its not even gonna be worth using the benthic belt on the aberrations

[cobalt pelican]

there's lots of pretty neat stuff this tier actually

kinda cool

shame i don't like rare farming or chest unlockering

so i spend most of my days right now idlly waiting

[acoustic sleet]

i settled on the vims belt i got it socketed with speed upgrade

which is fine i guess

[cobalt pelican]

seems pretty normal rayne for your gear, you have no essence equipped in the sim and you have no sockets/lurkers/etc which is where most of the difference to other sims will come from

[daring imp]

Any of the new enchants worth using?

[warm harbor]

believe so

[nimble tartan]

force multiplier is good

[sturdy wyvern]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[chilly marsh]

unexpected essence combination https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mQ1379EVWWgUFPE5Te6ZS9

lucid main + blood minor

[arctic walrus]

Wish me luck boys, time to roll for some socketed boots

[chilly marsh]

you guys did the sin of socket boots?

[elfin plaza]

Still one Essence. Been too lazy to farm neck 😦 https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nvNGeksgkVUVnTuayP5q4N

[latent pebble]

whens best time for dreams during vendetta window?

[vapid scarab]

whenever you hit <50 energy

[latent pebble]

figured as much, been trying to do it after 2nd env typically

[strange python]

it feels impossible to not cap on energy lol

[warm harbor]

if you cap you cap, see how you sim with less haste in place for something like crit/mast if the logs show you wasting a lot of energy

but as long as you aren't losing out on GCD's then over-capping a little here and there wont destroy your deeps

[untold zinc]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[distant mist]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9vU5PF4sFA9HWvepr16oQz

yea i saw the same thing lucid main blood minor

[tall pelican]

What’s the norm for mythic + heavy aoe plus ok single target azerite Traits

Echox3 ssx2 ttk x1 ?

[warm harbor]

you probably want another TTK in place for either an EB or SS depending on the dungeon as if you're speccing for prio dmg at least 2x TTK's is best (3 if you wanna pump prio)

if your not fussed on prio and want to be a pad lord probably replace the TTK with an SS or an SoB

[storm forum]

besides the crit boots, what other benthic gear is looking good?

[lusty narwhal]

Belt

[spice cloak]

anyone know how to sim a higher level bemthic peice w/o ugrading it in game for raidbots

[storm forum]

thanks

[nimble tartan]

raidbots gear Compare

[storm forum]

thats the extra 2% damage belt right?

[nimble tartan]

Type the item in and you can adjust the item level and socket stuff

[spice cloak]

ah ok ty !

[nocturne gate]

or u can take the link from it out of wowhead

[pulsar torrent]

guys, 1st time as rogue/assa ... and strugling with the AoE part 😦 (on m+) ... i dunno if i hav to spam fan and spend cp on envenom, or talent crimson, if i should use vanish to get subterfuge and spam garrote ... anyone could advice me, cause the guides didnt help me much 😦 ty in advance

[bronze kelp]

on multitarget: garrote 3 targets out of stealth, always apply rupture until u got 4-5 bleeds running for constant energy reg, build CP with fok, spend with envenom

[nimble tartan]

Crimson isn’t worth rn safe to just take pb. I also think sometimes it’s not even worth to envemon and use every global on fok

[bronze kelp]

if you have heavy big pulls, spam fok without spending CP. only if you have to reapply ruptures

[nimble tartan]

And just straight up say fuck the cpa

Cps

[bronze kelp]

also depends a bit on your traits

[vapid scarab]

it depends how many EB traits you have

[bleak spoke]

It feels bad but yeh nothing beats fok dpet on huge pulls with many eb

[bronze kelp]

for a safe setup go 2ss/2ttk/2eb

thats a comb that works on any affixes and any dungeon

[bleak spoke]

For 2/2/2 on ~8-10 targets it feels accurate to finish every 7 or 8 globals

Beyond that it’s fok spam

On 3 eb you hard mongo fok

[pulsar torrent]

gotcha, atm i hav 1ss/2np/1 eb

[bleak spoke]

At 8-10

[vapid scarab]

there's no reason for you to finish

[bleak spoke]

At 1 eb you upkeep ep

There most certainly is for him

[bronze kelp]

np is not very usefull in m+

[vapid scarab]

yeah, you spread out ruptures

[bronze kelp]

@pulsar torrent thats only 4 traits, whats the other 2 ?

[bleak spoke]

1 eb is a really tricky playstyle

[pulsar torrent]

1 scent, 1 twist

[bleak spoke]

I’d only play 1 eb in kings

[pulsar torrent]

couldnt get anything nice 8(

[vapid scarab]

do you have anything else other than scent

[bronze kelp]

u want always at least 1 eb and 1 ss

[vapid scarab]

like even a lot of generics would beat SoB

[bleak spoke]

Not really on cleave

[vapid scarab]

you don't have much ruptures out on cleave

[pulsar torrent]

Undulating Tides XDD

[bleak spoke]

That’s an ❌

You do have many ruptures on cleave with 1 eb

Like

Your opener on a large pack of say 8 is g g g r fok fok r fok fok fok r and then it’s already better than tc

So yeah unless you’re playing 3 ss tradewinds somehow or something like that sob isn’t bad in that situation

Cuz our bleed scaling is mastery agi our fok scaling is crit verse

[pulsar torrent]

hmm, gotcha, and in that m+ situation ... blood of the enemy or lucid dream as essence ?

[bleak spoke]

Blood is probably the play

Until we get focusing iris

[bronze kelp]

later u want lucid as minor

blood is good

[bleak spoke]

Lucid is bad in m+ insofar as you sit e capped

[bronze kelp]

lucid is nice on big pulls at the moment

[bleak spoke]

That’s why haste is bad in m+

[pulsar torrent]

ye, im almost at 50k honor for rank 3

[bleak spoke]

Man what

Lucid does nothing on big pulls if you play it proper

Because our rotation is smooth

[bronze kelp]

lol u can insta burst ^^

[bleak spoke]

Man what

Lucid doesn’t burst

Lucid sustains globals

[hazy iron]

He’s saying you can go straight into fok spam

[bronze kelp]

ähm if u activate u can spam fok like hell

jep

[hazy iron]

Without spreading ruptures

[bleak spoke]

That’s dumb as hell you run out of juice so fast

[bronze kelp]

250k peak on 2 trash packs + reaping inc

[hazy iron]

Which is true, but you eventually need to rupture

[bleak spoke]

Pulls last 45 seconds what are you gonna do after

[bronze kelp]

not on pug keys +15

[bleak spoke]

You can do the same with galecallers or exsang doesn’t mean it’s the right play

Man like

Okay I guess

[bronze kelp]

it works in off season

with s3 start its not worth it

[bleak spoke]

I guess the keys I play aren’t necessarily representative of the general population

[bronze kelp]

i normally also play 19-20 keys, but not in off season

there is no need for

[hazy iron]

Same, no one ever does 2’s or 3’s anymore

Joking obviously

[bleak spoke]

man i'm not shaming lower keys i'm just saying taht i'm speaking from a different perspective i guess

[pulsar torrent]

btw, thank u all ❤ luv u ... gonna try to get some useful traits to do it better XD

[bleak spoke]

believe in yourself!

and try different things

[bronze kelp]

im with you, but atm im testing out some fun in off season, and for ultra burst on huge pulls, lucid is fun enough 😃

[civic palm]

Also Lucid Major might be better in M+ at stupid keys but we will seeeee.

[bleak spoke]

for ST burn maybe

[civic palm]

2-4 target even

[bleak spoke]

because if with lucid you don't change playstyle on trash pulls and you can play 28-30k dps in current gear on tyran bosses then it's probably good

[civic palm]

Once you're at like... 6 targets, w/e.

[bleak spoke]

yeah but once you hit the 5th bleed you're e capped i just don't see how it can be really good

[bronze kelp]

the down side of blood is, that all mobs have to be in range (speaking about off season atm) and with reaping incoming and pulling more trash, u rarely have that

[bleak spoke]

cuz on bleed 5 you retain energy to slowly lose on muti

and then on bleed 6 you're clear to muti spam

and every global spent on envenom is like

you get energy back

idk where's seli

SELIIIIII

@marble hemlock

[bronze kelp]

XD

[pulsar torrent]

u guys are theorycrafting more than i keep it up @_@ hahahaha

[bleak spoke]

lmao if i thought i could catch seli last season

[bronze kelp]

no we are feelcrafting atm 😉

[bleak spoke]

legit we were like 200 points apart then he went up 500

and then another like 300 while i languished in depletoland

[civic palm]

No feelycraft, if your average pull is lower than 5 Lucid Major is better, even with the CD.

This doesn't mean that's actually better numerically than anything else, just that it gets better at lower target counts.

[bleak spoke]

ah okay

i thought you meant that it was guaranteed to exceed the potential of something like blood was why i was confused

cuz it seems to me that any force crit mechanism with strong procs is crazy on cleave

or strong activation in this case

[civic palm]

Lucid Minor also probably messes with total Bleed requirements as well.

[bleak spoke]

i'm just getting the strong strong feeling that we probably honestly play focusing major no matter what next season if it's not tuned down

because the single use nuke is just so potent to deal with something likie the void emissary

[civic palm]

Ye.

[bleak spoke]

like opening grg v focusing is gonna just wreck it

maybe we dn't even vendetta

just like grg focusing tb

[bronze kelp]

as far as i experienced while testing this week with lucid, i needed 1 less rupture for constant energy reg

[bleak spoke]

it makes sense yeah but my issue with the whole thing is that unless you play all 3 EBs it doesn't actually change how you play

because you output more bleeds as a rule anyway

[civic palm]

1 less bleed sounds right.

[bleak spoke]

like your bleed output outpaces your energy needs to a large degree from the way i play at least

at the same time in a place like kings i can see it being the play for sure

like having the hard burn on zul is enormous

or on axe lady

[bronze kelp]

but i guess the 3 EB times are over in s3, cause if you go focusing iris major, u got a huge aoe burst, and due to beguiling affix more prio target is needed so 3 ttk will be the thing i guess

[bleak spoke]

problem with lucid is probably one of uptime

like if you can stick to a target it's good

[civic palm]

Lucid_Ma sure.

[bleak spoke]

yeah you're right

it might be less important with dungeon builds

it's kinda funny how dynamic assa stuff is

like in raid ttk makes it so you have to stick, in m+ ttk makes it so you can let go

[civic palm]

Lucid_Mi removing ~1 Bleed on average means you're into PrioDmg 1 - 3 GCDs earlier.

[bleak spoke]

that's also true

3 gcds is actually really soon

it makes it compete with any spec in terms of not having setup

[civic palm]

and that's not accounting for the luckier side of the Minor procs either.

[bleak spoke]

in a way the gold standard of prio is always "okay is this as fast as strike nb ss evis"

[civic palm]

Still need to see how good Arcane is 😐

[bleak spoke]

and g g g r fok tb env is really fast

compared to ggg r fok fok r fok tb env

i think fire's stealing the show this tier

[civic palm]

Possibly.

[bleak spoke]

I think in m+ though we might see some assa fire dh comps again

[bronze kelp]

what essence makes fire viable again ?

[bleak spoke]

Lucid

[bronze kelp]

hm... i liked fire mage so far 😃 but i generally hope, that there will be a bit more diversity in m+ combos this season

[civic palm]

vrooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooom

[bleak spoke]

More specs being able to do things they want to do is super good

[bronze kelp]

what do you guys think about iris minor effect ?

the haste buff seems a nice + on boss fights but on trash it seems to have nearly no value, am i right?

[bleak spoke]

Haste has little value yeah

[bronze kelp]

i dont know if i should farm blood ranks. my go to atm will be iris major and lucid minor

maybe blood becomes the next minor ?

[inner citrus]

Yea, i would also like other specs see some play. I hope other comps will do good as well. 1-2% difference from one another and around 3-5 options of comp would suffice as of the moment

[tame cobalt]

!Essencerank

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essence chart: https://bit.ly/2xdr7P8

[bleak spoke]

anything's better than what we have now

there's the NA comp which is outlaw outlaw ww and the EU comp which is outlaw ele dh

and then the KR comp wiht a ret pally or something

[inner citrus]

the NA comp is just sad. rogue will never go out of place with m+ this expac unless they do something terrible to it thou

a reason i benched my mage :/

[bleak spoke]

i mean as someone who plays the NA comp it's very very fun to actually play

[inner citrus]

people just don't take you unless you are meta

[bleak spoke]

and our team has a variant on it which is outlaw hunter ww and that's the best control out of any comp we've tried

like you have giga control over anything that goes on in the dungeon

[inner citrus]

it is fun but then again, no real competition on other comps. meta is stale. like you can only count how many specs are actually viable

[bleak spoke]

nah we pushed some wf keys with it

i got slotted out for the one that was actually wf but that's cuz i suck :^)

worst time to go to bed etc

in the end it's more about the player i think still

like there's a hard limit on what you can bring i.e. you need 3 melee kicks including the tank for sure

i'd say it's more like certain comps make pulls possible that aren't "supposed to be"

i.e. with darkness, eq, there were some pulls that we could not have played with the NA comp

and with garrote silence there's some pulls that are impossible without seli

or flawless

seli's motherlodes are actually fkn beautiful

like

when we pull motherlode it's a haphazard mess that's decently fast but when they pull motherlode shit burns down

[inner citrus]

yea. but a lil diversity would really be awesome for the meta of m+

wait so the go to azerite major right now is the condensed life-force for raids and focusing iris for m+ right?

as assass

[bleak spoke]

if lucid is competitive i play lucid

it's just so pleasant

(just kidding i'll definitely play condensed life force for prog if it's best zzz)

[inner citrus]

yea lucid makes the playstyle smoother. but sims says life-force for raids+natural pve and focusing iris for m+

for pvp, probably also life-force or lucid for burst

[bronze kelp]

lucid minor is very strong

the major is not that good so it will be only my minor go to

[inner citrus]

yep but we can put lucid as minor. i think the lucid minor is a staple.

in all contents

[bronze kelp]

major will be not worth it

[vapid scarab]

blood is just gonna scale so hard

[bronze kelp]

heard that a lot

[hearty junco]

My guild wants us melee to get worldvein thingy as a minor

[bronze kelp]

and i hate, that i have to hard farm honor :/

worldvein minor is also very good if you look at the sims

[inner citrus]

i think i'll be running condensed major + lucid minor + something for raid and iris major + lucid minor + something for m+

seli tried the blood in m+ and it didnt really do well than expected

[bronze kelp]

dont underestimate worldvein

[hearty junco]

im not, but i want smooth gameplay

[bronze kelp]

i mean for minor

[hearty junco]

what if the energy thingy is not bis as major then

[bronze kelp]

lucid?

its not bis as major

worldvein and lucid minor, are the highest simming minors so far

*for m+

[vapid scarab]

i don't see blood as a m+ essence either

but raids

it's just gonna scale so hard with raid gear

[inner citrus]

how is blood gonna scale so hard with raid gear?

[bronze kelp]

blood could also outscale in m+. the sims atm are with current gear

[inner citrus]

yea. everything will get messed up till 2-4 weeks in to the raid

but im referring to things as current gear stands

[bronze kelp]

the higher your gear gets, the more value do the secondary stats get

[vapid scarab]

what do you mean @inner citrus

how is it not

it gets stronger multiplicatively the more damage we do

which with raid gear goes up and up

[inner citrus]

sorry that was not a sarcastic question. that was a legit question.

[vapid scarab]

yeah blood right now is whatever

[inner citrus]

i see. yea agreed. probably at 430++ ilvl blood would surpass

[vapid scarab]

but everything else is mostly just flat damage

so with actual gear those stats are gonna be huge

[inner citrus]

and with that much haste, we might not even need the lucid minor

[vapid scarab]

especially since it lines up with our 2min cds

[inner citrus]

i hope the vendetta essence makes it to the top. even just the minor one

[vapid scarab]

why, it's a boring passive and promotes a really toxic dumb build

it really fucks up our CDs and desyncs them

it's just bad all around

[inner citrus]

well getting to use vendetta more is fun :p

[vapid scarab]

cus vendetta is such a cool ability and interacts with the kit so much

like it's literally just a flat dmg increase CD

[flat obsidian]

but it's fun : )

[inner citrus]

^ well said. haha. doesnt have to be top tier but atleast sometimes we get to use it as a meme build but viable meme build

[vapid scarab]

why do you want to desync your CDs

it feels like ass to play

[meager nebula]

Holding blood for 30 seconds isn't all that much better either

[vapid scarab]

it

15s

[bleak spoke]

i think the problem with vop is that we have a 2 part cd

in vanish

[meager nebula]

Blood is a 90 second cd no?

[vapid scarab]

actually im just dumb

blood is 2min but r2 is 25% off

so 90s

[meager nebula]

The tooltips are dumb

I'm always looking at the r3s anyway

Since that's what we end up with

[inner citrus]

something like blood + vendetta essence + something would be nice

[hidden plinth]

don't think we will ever see a essenz combo without lucid

[inner citrus]

well then blood + vendetta + lucid 😄 hahaha

[severe bough]

How about blood minor?

[inner citrus]

if u put an essence in major its minor is automatically activated

[vapid scarab]

do we know if unbound force minor has any kind of ICD?

[hidden plinth]

do you guys think we will run the same azerite comb for 8.2 3x DD 1x TTK 1x NP and the crit trait?

[vapid scarab]

for ST yeah

[icy ember]

what is the crit trait

[vapid scarab]

bbi

[spice cloak]

anyone using inscription trinket as a place holder till raid trinkets?

[icy ember]

well i run purely ST for raiding on my sin rogue, i run w/3x DD and 3x NP

and sometimes swap in 1x ss

[vapid scarab]

you just run whatever sims higher

if it's a cleave fight you look at SS

[nimble tartan]

bbi is so hot

[icy ember]

what does bbi do

i've never used it

[nimble tartan]

chance to proc and give u a b unch of crit

its really fuckin good

u feel the power when it procs

[bleak spoke]

Neither have I, cuz I can’t get the piece FeelsBadMan

Next tier I save I save

[modest tendon]

When do you use the lucid dreams active? Alongside vendetta?

[vapid scarab]

whenever you have <50 energy

[modest tendon]

So just after?

Because you get energy regent in the vendetta window

Seems a bit pointless

[vapid scarab]

yeah it usually happens around 10s in

[modest tendon]

So you wait until you are energy starved to use it

Ty

[vapid scarab]

<50 energy

use it

[wispy apex]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[autumn shoal]

With the essence, if we use the pearl, the haste is still important on mono? I'm trying to sim a bit and i'm at 32,8K actually and i have change a haste/crit to a mastery/versatility

So i asking myself for the next tier to make my whish list with the bis stats

And what about loyal to the end? Can we consider that we need just one?

[solid nova]

You dont need a "wish list for bis stats", just sim yourself with top gear to determine upgrades

[autumn shoal]

It's more give it to my guild to have an idea of what i need you know, it's not really a bis list

[winter moss]

well tell them to wake the fuck up

due to war/titanforge and socket procs there is NO bis list

[solid nova]

Bis lists are irrelevant

[winter moss]

e.g: 415 cranedancer leggings are p good for sin

but get outsimmed by 425 vers haste legs from m+

[autumn shoal]

Ok mate, thanks for the information

[proper wing]

Is Dungeon Slice (Beta) the right way to sim for most of the m+ situations, or is it "beta" indeed and it's sketchy?

[tawny bramble]

Quick question : playing assa, poison build, with lucid dreams.
When do you use essence ?
I fell like if I use it at the beginning during Vendetta, I cap energy (I'm at 1428 haste, 21%).
Instead, if I delay it a little, I've more use of it.
Or, I was wondering to lower my haste so that I dont cap energy during vendetta+lucid. Yet, the sims are still giving me haste as my best second stat.
Thanks for your inputs 😄 !

[winter moss]

ill try to answer that rq

[delicate bolt]

Hi there, which benthic azerite piece is best for assassination?

[winter moss]

use it when enegystarved

[modest jasper]

@proper wing it's a decentish baseline. Not perfect. Puts more focus on ST iirc than on big trash pulls. I would recommend simming multiple target sims and single target sims in addition.

Depends on what you are looking for.

[winter moss]

@delicate bolt socketed ones

[solid nova]

Boots with crit damage and Belt with 2% aberration damage. No socket = No good @delicate bolt

[delicate bolt]

is any of the azerite decent? it's just my alt for now

[winter moss]

some arent bad for m+

but havent paid to much attention to it

[solid nova]

In Palace? https://tinyurl.com/yxqp5vbn

Spreadsheet with drops

[winter moss]

benthic gear reachard

[delicate bolt]

nono, from the vendor. Is any of the benthic azerite decent?

[winter moss]

unless you pick eb on a piece you can make everything work for raid

[solid nova]

Oh

[proper wing]

@modest jasper Aye, since my build is more AoE oriented, I'd say I'll be simming the multi-tar. Ty, ty.

[winter moss]

you dont wanna overcapp energy that hard, so in the first 3 secs of vendetta it's almost a waste
then there is a fluffy pillow in the following 2 seconds where you start dropping from high levels of energy
then right before you would continue with your normal rotation you can give yourself a "second" wind of energy flow and keep pumping envenoms during vendetta @tawny bramble

RichardToday at 10:11
Boots with crit damage and Belt with 2% aberration damage. No socket = No good @hollow wraith

[tawny bramble]

@compact ocean yy thx, that's what I finally did yesterday, and I ended using my lucid at something like 3 sec before vendetta rruns out

[solid nova]

425

415 for azerite

[untold current]

The benthic belt we are fishing for does it say "you do increased dmg to aberrations in Najatar and the eternal palace?

[solid nova]

Yes

[untold current]

Ok, so its just datamined to be 2 %?

[winter moss]

2 min google search https://ptr.wowhead.com/item=167765/fathomstalker-waistband

[strange python]

is benthic gear simming correctly?

[solid nova]

Yes

[hearty junco]

i spent 130 mana pearls to get boots with socket, got haste main stat and mastery of stat. Should i be happy and upgrade it?

[winter moss]

the answer is behind a wall || yes ||

[hearty junco]

wow thats cool

teach me 0.0

[untold current]

@winter moss Was that link for me?

[winter moss]

Yes

[untold current]

I dont see where it says 2%

Which was my primary question

[winter moss]

primary question was "does it say ..."

secondary: why 2

and Yes

datamined

[solid nova]

https://www.wowhead.com/guides/benthic-gear-effects-nazjatar

[untold current]

Thanks @solid nova that's helpful

[solid nova]

[nimble tartan]

i still cant believe i spent 200 pearls and got nothing

[strange python]

im up to 400 atm

omegalul

[winter moss]

please cling to you mistakes in #wow-general unless it involves a question about assassination

[steep obsidian]

i got a socketed abberation belt from my first benthic thing

[young portal]

Why when I sim with Lucid does my mastery weight sky rocket? What could I possibly be doing wrong?

[winter moss]

because you need less haste

[stable oxide]

With Lucid dream, doesn't Deeper Stratagem get better than Vigor?

[winter moss]

does it sim higher?

[gritty flame]

Sim yourself

[stable oxide]

Or are we not that comfortable with energy yet :P?

This is theorycrafting :P

But yeah

[winter moss]

this isnt theorycrafting

[stable oxide]

if the sims say differently

then most likely it's not better :<

[crisp steppe]

just play it see how it feels

[young portal]

Yeah I understand we need less haste using Lucid, but the uptime is 10%

[winter moss]

well

let me break it down to you

what stat weights even mean

[young portal]

Sure, I'm all ears

[winter moss]

You see that every Point on the list got a number attached to it and at the bottom you see a little note: * 1 point of X will increase your stat by Y

[young portal]

Aye

[winter moss]

from the point you used /simc on forward a point in mastery would increase my dps by 3.85points

GIVEN the circumstance that i dont lose any other stats

[marble hemlock]

@bleak spoke

[winter moss]

so effectively stat weights are numbers that give a piece of gear a certain value

to compare two pieces of gear you take all stats from one piece, multiply it with the value given from statweights and compare it to the other

so if mastery is higher than haste, doesnt mean haste is bad

haste i probably the second highest stat for you like the sim above

[wispy apex]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[young portal]

Thanks @winter moss for the explanation

Cleared it up a bit

[winter moss]

the best idea is to sim topgear anyway

statweights are hard to apply to current situations in terms of gear/upgrades

[young portal]

I just panicked a bit as I'm coming over from outlaw and I wanted to get a gear set together for sin for heroic week next week and my stats are all over

Especially with the Lucid essence

Thank you again

[winter moss]

good point to start is 25% crit 21%hast 30% mastery and whatever the other stats give you in vers%

from there on you can sim yourself till you black out.

especially if you get a new piece of gear that is worth something

[strange python]

I'm so scared to roll benthic and get nothing good

[winter moss]

well

[strange python]

😭

[winter moss]

you not gonna use those pearls anyway

just another gamble

[strange python]

And btw when do u guys use lucid dreams ?

i always use it after my opening

but i dunno

[young portal]

Appreciated Mac ty

[winter moss]

you're welcome

[young portal]

I've been using it when energy starved once Vendetta wears off

[strange python]

Ya i do the same

[winter moss]

let my copypaste my own post

one second

you dont wanna overcapp energy that hard, so in the first 3 secs of vendetta it's almost a waste
then there is a fluffy pillow in the following 2 seconds where you start dropping from high levels of energy
then right before you would continue with your normal rotation you can give yourself a "second" wind of energy flow and keep pumping envenoms during vendetta

@strange python

[strange python]

Ok thanks ! I will try that way then 😃

[winter moss]

if you want a number where to look out for lucid

when you hit ~50 energy

after the vendetta regeneration runs out

[strange python]

Ok i will then 😃

[simple meteor]

is the benthic boots better then crucible boots?

[solid nova]

You can sim them and find out

[slim socket]

effect from benthic gear works correctly in sims?

[solid nova]

https://medium.com/raidbots/raidbots-patch-8-2-status-124b8dca2c2b

[slim socket]

cool time to sim then 😄

[mental obsidian]

When do u use lucid in opener

With MA

[winter moss]

you dont wanna overcapp energy that hard, so in the first 3 secs of vendetta it's almost a waste
then there is a fluffy pillow in the following 2 seconds where you start dropping from high levels of energy
then right before you would continue with your normal rotation you can give yourself a "second" wind of energy flow and keep pumping envenoms during vendetta

probably the first GCD after TB window

[mental obsidian]

Ty

And you delay lucid for vendetta right?

Mid fight

[winter moss]

whenever energy starved

but probably the best idea is to handle it like vanish

[mental obsidian]

Coming from outlaw i always feel energy starved as sin lul

[stable oxide]

You need to pool energy :P

[nimble tartan]

i never line em up

[stable oxide]

I start pooling energy when I see my TB is gonna be off cooldown in around 7 seconds

[mental obsidian]

Hmm

Never heard that before

[stable oxide]

But now with Lucid you have to pool less

Never heard what?

I assume you want you want as much envenoms in your TB timer as possible, and if they are also empowered by Elaborate planning that you are using the maximum capacity of the two talents

why waste energy on an envenom befor the TB when you can save energy to get 3 elaborate planned envenoms within the TB timer

[tropic ocean]

just have 150+energy and 3-4 cp when tb is off cd and u good

[stable oxide]

Yeah indeed

[nimble tartan]

ima be real with yall just press ur buttons u cant go wrong bro

[tropic ocean]

lol

[nimble tartan]

its true man...

its a double dose world nothing matters keep pressing mutilate bro..

[tropic ocean]

sure man

whatever you say

[stable oxide]

I always do 4 mutilates befor envenoming

sometimes I just ignore my finishers at all

no bleeds

no envenoms

only mutilate

[tropic ocean]

same

just mutilate

with vendetta and lucid

and rest pooling

[nimble tartan]

thats how u get rank 1 uunat bro just mutilating

[stable oxide]

I almost killed LFR Uunat with my guild

[nimble tartan]

ill never press a bleed in my life!!!

[stable oxide]

Bleeds are scary :(

[solid nova]

Dont do it

[tropic ocean]

HUEHUEHUEHUEHUE HIHIHIHIHI

[solid nova]

@nimble tartan Confirmed sources say trolling spec channels reduces benthic socket chances by at least 45.69% its a risky road dude

[nimble tartan]

but fr though like pressing mutliate as much as u can with all these double doses is all u gota worry about

[tropic ocean]

such funny

[nimble tartan]

its your biggest damage button when u combine all the damage from mut

dd, mut main hand, mut OH

[solid nova]

Omr stop

[nimble tartan]

im being serious !!

im just sayin when my envenoms overall for 3.69m but my mutilate overall for 4.4m

thats just mafematics

[hearty junco]

Hahahaha

quick maff

[spare dust]

Bleeds do 1k dmg envenom 40k, dobt press blood buttons

[mental obsidian]

He learned to play assa from dalaran gaming

[solid nova]

[green heart]

Sup, what is the current stat prio for assas? Just recently came back to the game

[tropic ocean]

whatever raidbots tells you

[nimble tartan]

you can find out right here ! https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/stats

[green heart]

Will that show me what my stat prio should be?

[nimble tartan]

yes sir just put your realm and character name

[tropic ocean]

you run your character through it and it will list your best to worst stat

[nimble tartan]

and it will sim you in the gear you logged off in

[green heart]

Amazing, much appreciated!

[nimble tartan]

but remember stat weigths fluctuate heavily! so always sim after equipping a piece of gear!

[tropic ocean]

install simcraft addon and u can press /simc copy paste and sim whenever u change a piece of gear

[green heart]

Sweet, thanks guys!

Another thing, which traits are up top now?

[nimble tartan]

you can find all that and more at https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/azerite-levels/1t-t23-assassination

[solar rose]

@nimble tartan what do u sim at

[nimble tartan]

im not even 55 bro

[solar rose]

[dense nexus]

Hey guys do we have a stat cap now ? Like 50% crit or something ?

[rigid mango]

Nope

[solar rose]

I tried hitting 37k but I don't have enough sockets

[nimble tartan]

yeah im at like 33.8k

[solar rose]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/g342Tfzoe6SwfeUdoB1KQz

[nimble tartan]

i dont have the boots or anything im fuckin scuffed bro

[dense nexus]

So its still haste<crit<mastery ?

[nimble tartan]

i spent all my pearlies

im depleted

you're so thick

[tropic ocean]

@dense nexus sim yourself

[dense nexus]

@tropic ocean Well i would if i know how the shit work ^^

[tropic ocean]

install simcraft addon

ingame type /simc

copy that shit go to raidbots.com

pick stat weights

paste

done

[dense nexus]

thats all ?

[solid nova]

That's all

Or if you've got some time to spare to better understand: https://www.wowhead.com/how-to-use-raidbots-sims-stat-weights

[west gyro]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[simple meteor]

guys when i open with garrote and i use blood of the enemy after on vendetta does my garrote gets the buffs from blood of the enemy?

[pale knot]

Which benthic pieces are the ones you want?

[royal lantern]

waist/feet

waist with more dmg against aberations, feet with higher crit dmg in naz

[pale knot]

Inst there wrists with frost dmg proc to?

[steep oasis]

is stat weights still good since they told me to use top gear instead on raidbots

[royal lantern]

use top gear

and @pale knot deepens if you have a better wrist avaible or not i gues

@steep oasis reason is pretty simple, your statweights change with every single piece of gear you EQ anyway, so you can just use topgear

i sometimes use statweights too check wich gear i should aim for, but thats it

[steep oasis]

okay thx 😃 will do that also

And another question about the benthic armor is it boots-wrist- hands ?

[solid nova]

Just boots and wrist

With a socket roll

[steep oasis]

kk thx

[rigid mango]

Waist too

The abberation dmg increase works for 2 bosses in EP @steep oasis and can be useful

[steep oasis]

okay thx well going for boots first and guess it will take a while untill i have socket on akana's reefstriders :p

[solid nova]

Boots and waist sorry* Not wrist.

[prisma oyster]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[prisma oyster]

recommened major/minor setup for M+ first week s3?

:D

[marble hemlock]

lucid major, purification minor

[winter moss]

fuck just wanted to say watch seliathan

[prisma oyster]

thanks, Seliathan !

i'm so happy i won't have to farm 50.000 BG honor for m+

I assume once we have more minor slots we'll want lucid as a minor?

[winter moss]

bote is good for 5~6 target pulls

[prisma oyster]

or is it simply the best major all around

[winter moss]

and fact: guildmate already is at 81k honor

[faint harness]

Still getting rank 3 bote

Only 18k to go all

[mint kindle]

What new enchants do you guys get?

[prisma oyster]

sure mac if you like that sort of thing that's fine

[mint kindle]

On weapons I mean

[winter moss]

@mint kindle

[prisma oyster]

but i have a job a wife and a dog mang i can't spend the little time i have farming BGs :D

I also don't like doing them

[crisp steppe]

drop ur wife and dog m8

rank4 is whats going to really make you happy