My opinion
#assassination
woven summit
ornate meteor
Ask ytd abt when to use lucid and people told me to use it when vendetta almost end like 5-7 sec before it end, and now saw u guys tellin to use on 2nd tb and not on vendetta idk which one to follow
woven summit
I heard from a conversation here that lucid is best used below 50 energy
you go below 50 energy during vendetta as well
and I guess you focus mastery for Lucid so energy regenaration is not that good with haste capped
onyx rock
The sim is using it 9-12 sec. after first Toxic Blade Window
winter moss
well reapplying garrote during tb doenst follow the same rules as reapplying rupture
onyx rock
Also you dont wanna use it to late becouse you dont wanna waste a cast of it
winter moss
if one gcd got you to 4cp(crit) you can spend one gcd the to reapply
but if you dont crit with mut during tb you shouldnt reapply garrote until the very end of tb
macToday at 10:49
vendetta provides 60 nrg over 3 seconds, then you should be in a mid/high range of nrg
use it when at 40 or 50 NRG and you are NOT in a TB window
since using essence costs a gcd
follows the same rule as garroting, if you have a free gcd during tb
go for it
if not, dont
ornate meteor
For my current stats yeah im sitting at 46% mastery with around 15-18 haste iirc so lucid when under 50 while vendetta then?
winter moss
yes
ornate meteor
I see
winter moss
you dont wanna overcapp energy that hard
so in the first 3 secs of vendetta it's almost a waste
then there is a fluffy pillow in the following 2 seconds where you start dropping from high levels of energy
ornate meteor
But usually at 40 energy when using lucid sometimes there is a chance for me to cap energy around 1-2 sec bcos of lucid energy refund too is that okay?
winter moss
then right before you would continue with your normal rotation you can give yourself a "second" wind of energy flow and keep pumping envenoms during vendetta
solemn meadow
haha
the optimization punch card is funny
50% crit 40% haste
sadly not that good I believe
tardy jay
do we have best in slot benthic item for rogues ?
winter moss
using essence and following up with env or mut takes you away from the cap so one gcd nrg cap is not that bad
@tardy jay socketed ones
tribal marlin
is it 240 to each stat or only 240 overall stat (the proc from the optimization punch card)
tribal marlin
The red punchcard
solemn meadow
it gives more than 240
tribal marlin
mmh they removed it maybe
lean thorn
No new info on the Highborne Compendium? Still broken?
solemn meadow
yo what pots are bis for us?
austere wadi
sims are showing me its the crit pot. But its pretty shit that they break stealth
faint harness
the crit potion seems to be shit, doesnt it
vernal walrus
is Pocket-Sized Computation Device a good trinket? i returned 2 days ago to wow
solemn meadow
nah
faint harness
it depends on your punchcards i guess
solemn meadow
atleast compared to the current best
tried out crit haste / crit mastery / haste mastery / haste crit
with all current available red cards
maybe the ones from mechagon do good stuff but
faint harness
i dunno man
i have a mastery/crit yellow punchcard and its only a few dps behind my other trinkets already
with shit red card
ionic arrow
What nameplate addon do you use track you bleeds on mobs. Im looking for a addon that gives my a good overview over multiple targets in m+. I come from outlaw, but switching to sin makes we wanna clearly see bleeds on nameplates
strong sundial
Plater
winter moss
TidyPlates works as well
solemn meadow
Plater ye
ionic arrow
testing plater right now, bleeds from 1st target overlap with nameplate of 2nd target, also bleeds are pretty dark, but I like the nameplate frame, seems like I have to costumize a little bit
blazing pumice
change nameplates to stacking
solemn meadow
if I let simc decide what prepot to use
I sim for 33k
if I try out all new pots
I sim for 32,5k???
which potion is he using
found it
Crit prepot
sims best for me
winter moss
@ionic arrow plater is a highly customisable name plate addon that allows you to create nameplates just how you want them to be, if you expect something to be preset or want something profile to import head over to wago.io and move into the plater profile section
wild stone
How do you crit prepot if it breaks you out of stealth? Isn't that like, horrible for Master Assassin and subterfuge?
winter moss
it's bug and afaik about to be fixed iirc
wild stone
Cool beans
strange python
Ok, so this guy is telling me to gem & enchant for full crit, is he talking crap?
dusky tinsel
you could just sim your own gems/enchants to find out
wild stone
Speaking of simming, blood of the enemy rank 2 is simming higher than lucid dreams for me
winter moss
then it probably is better for you than lucid dreams
strange python
Hi guys its possible to use the Essence and Vendetta in one macro?
dusky tinsel
all essence are on the GCD, so no
strange python
only with cast sequence?
lean thorn
I guess you wouldn't want it anyways cause in the first 3 secs of Vendetta you would overcap like crazy (if we are talking of lucid)
spice surge
With how impactful essences are i would bind them separately
lean thorn
Then you don't want to use it right after Vendetta or you'll waste a ton of energy
dusky tinsel
if you're using lucid you wouldnt want to use it til vendetta is finished anyway
lean thorn
You want to use it in the second part of Vendetta duration when u are beginning to energy starve
dusky tinsel
I find myself using it with sub 3 seconds remaining on vendetta or immediately after
strange python
but later we using lucid as a minor one? instead of major?
lean thorn
Well depends on what u'll use in major
winter moss
noone knows for sure
strange python
Raid ST for ex.
winter moss
still
dusky tinsel
raid essence (at least currently) seems to be the highest simming one, but like mac mentioned, no one knows yet
lean thorn
It will be tuned most likely so just farm all the essences you can and we'll see what's best for us after the raid release
winter moss
vision major + lucid minor sounds strong af but will it be? cant tell ya
strange python
and blood minor maybe?
lean thorn
again - nobody knows for sure
winter moss
we gotta wait for s3 to actually hit the servers
lean thorn
I really wouldn't want them to nerf lucid though, it's minor effect seems to smoothen the rotations quite a bit
winter moss
then over a few weeks essences will be balanced again
and then we can tell you
depends on RPPM
dusky tinsel
and there's always the probability of tuning before mythic releases to fine tune numbers that were OP in the first week of heroic release
mental obsidian
How long does it take for fan of knives to get 20 stacks?
dusky tinsel
40 seconds if you're using hidden blades, but not sure why you would ๐ค
vagrant wigeon
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royal lantern
mate, for 99%it doesnt matter at all wath you play
except ofc stuff like ''we have too many melee/ranged''
winter moss
too late tryan 
royal lantern
allready pressed enter 
ionic arrow
wrong channel ๐
winter moss
im sorry he gone but id pin it anyway
vagrant wigeon
in mm + does assa can beat outlaw?
rigid mango
Yes
winter moss
yes
cobalt pelican
you don't 1v1 people in dungeons i don't think
winter moss
let them people pad if they want to
fallen geode
In tyrannical weeks ๐
winter moss
and welp there is the unwise answer
fallen geode
I guess if you get lucky on the rolls.. Iโve been getting more 5 rolls lately it seems lol
rigid mango
Aslong as they don't get garbo rolls, they can normally beat us
fallen geode
^
rigid mango
That's a very non assa question 
solemn meadow
don't be like that 
rigid mango
Also, don't know, I should ask the plebs too
dark crag
Yes daily, the question is, can you get even more
restive inlet
Allright so, I managed to get the benthic boots with a socket. at 385 they were an upgrade over my 415 boots with similar secondaries. what other benthic pieces are good? maybe the bracers or belt?
past marten
What happened to the Bloodmallet figure? Blood R3 is currently highest rank
rigid mango
rigid mango
It's already gotten nerfed
strange python
oh
strange python
ye i'll sim it
pliant apex
read the guide on revenholdt site for assa, still confused on rotation
when toxic blade is only go to talent, why mention exanguiate and others , makes it confusing
also whatis shrouded suffocation , im so confused as a new rogue
why not make the guide simple and friendly to new players
marble hemlock
its about as simple as you can make it while still getting into what the spec has to offer outside of the go-to cookie cutter build
pliant apex
can you please help explain the rotaation to me
marble hemlock
if thats still too complicated for you, i dont know what to tell you
it clearly explains how to do your opener depending on what traits/talents youre running, explains how to generate combopoint, and when/how to use them (depending on talent choice)
stable oxide
Shrouded Suffocation is a azerite trait that empowers your garrote
pliant apex
after the last point 'Vanish when Garrote hits 5.4 seconds or less when talented into subterfuge' i start from point 1?
tepid ridge
not sur if trolling or........ hm
stable oxide
He is new, don't act elitist
marble hemlock
well, its states the condition -> when talented into subterfuge. so you open your talent-panel, check what subterfuge does, and then that line should start making sense
pliant apex
ah ic i c, and i should always run subterfuge for raids and pve right?
marble hemlock
if it sims highest for you, yes
thats largely dependant on gear though, for most people with higher ilvls, master assassin is the stronger talent in that tier
pliant apex
does it sim highest for most ppl?
stable oxide
That depends on your azerite traits
With the right traits "Master Assassin" Sims the highest
pliant apex
the guide states i open with garrote, its assumed i open from stealth and garrote right?
stable oxide
Yes
stable oxide
Do you know what "pandemic" is?
pliant apex
nope
marble hemlock
well, its just assumed that everyone knows to always open from stealth in every spec, seeing how its one of our core-mechanics ๐
royal lantern
its in the pins
pliant apex
oh okay, confusing still for noobs tbh
also the guide says open with garrote, i dont use garrote the second time till i vanish right?
marble hemlock
royal lantern
if you have subterfuge/ss yes
marble hemlock
literally the first line
pliant apex
im reading pull rotation
marble hemlock
and for your opener itself, it would depend on your azerite and talent choices
pliant apex
so i always use grrrote on cd with subterfuge?
marble hemlock
thats why theres 5 different ones, since our opener changes depending on what traits/talents we run ๐
marble hemlock
how?
pliant apex
is there like a youtube video explaining rotation for beginners
marble hemlock
what traits do you run, what talents do you run
pliant apex
the ones guide says run
marble hemlock
theres is 5 different openers. only one of them applies to you.
which one, we dont know. you do.
pliant apex
Single Target
Level 15: Elaborate Planning
Level 30: Master Assassin or Subterfuge
Level 45: Vigor
Level 60: Optional
Level 75: Optional
Level 90: Toxic Blade
Level 100: Poison Bomb
these
marble hemlock
again
pliant apex
eh 5 openers wtf
marble hemlock
which talents do YOU run
stable oxide
I have a hard time trying to explain Pandamic, but it is a really important mechanic for assassination rogues
pliant apex
same as the ones i listed
marble hemlock
you just copypasted
marble hemlock
so, out of the 5 openers
one says "master assassin talented"
so you can disregard that one
now the other 4 are a combination of exsanguinate/tb and ss/no ss
marble hemlock
im gonna assume you run tb since you copied the talents from the guide
so the last question is what traits do you have
do you have atleast 1 SS trait?
pliant apex
whicever seemed fun to me tbh
echo jay
Not necessarily. TB is still fine with SS. But SS part is important
pliant apex
i dont think so ... can you look me up please smileypoo=-forstmourne
marble hemlock
no
shouldnt be hard for you to figure out what traits you have and tell us
if you want help
pliant apex
okay sec
echo jay
@marble hemlock I applaud your patience
strange python
lmao
stable oxide
xD
strange python
sometimes i ask actual questions and get ignored
pliant apex
running double dose , ss , overwhelming power
marble hemlock
good
pliant apex
you mean im not asking acutal questions?
marble hemlock
so you run "one or more shrouded suffocation powers for toxicblade"
which would be this section of the opener
marble hemlock
so to answer your earlier question, as is written in the opener, yes, you do not garrote after the first 2 until it runs out and you vanish again
pliant apex
i dont even build combo points before rupture?
marble hemlock
garrote builds combopoints
stable oxide
Garrote gives you 3 combopoints
marble hemlock
1 without ss traits, but since you have one, it builds 3
pliant apex
ahh ic
so i rupture at those 3 points
shit man acc to that rotation, i do first envenom at 1 or 2 points?
is that okay?
marble hemlock
?
pliant apex
only from stealth thou right
marble hemlock
yes. i also suggest you read what the subterfuge talent does
stable oxide
Subterfuge counts as being in stealth
pliant apex
so the second garrote will also give 3 point?
stable oxide
if you do it within the subterfuge timer, yes.
And with that rotation above it should
solid nova
- Do you have subt selected
- Are you using the second garrote in your subt. window
stable oxide
do Garrote - Rupture - Garrote
spice surge
it doesnt
marble hemlock
no it doesnt
crisp steppe
take some time to read things over
solid nova
The guide doesnt state that
marble hemlock
the guide says "garrote, rupture, garrote"
stable oxide
Do you know the addon "Weak Auras"?
pliant apex
yes, and i got it now, ty,
i hadnt put the rupture spell on stealth bar
so i would to come out of stealth
marble hemlock
take your time when going through the guide, and take it step by step
pliant apex
and the window would close
yes i will, i thank you immensely however for pointing me in the right direction fellas
marble hemlock
well
pliant apex
i didnt know where to start
marble hemlock
we just pointed you back to the guide :p
pliant apex
yes but i had the b asics wrong, like no rupture on stealth bar
also pointed what opener to use
stable oxide
Does the guide explain pandamic btw?
pliant apex
now i practice
solid nova
The pins do
marble hemlock
well, if the guide says to use rupture, its a good idea to have it on there
pliant apex
what is pandemic
marble hemlock
the pins have pandemic, and its not a concern for someone who just starts out
understand what your abilities do first
solid nova
Get the basics covered first mate
marble hemlock
no, assa is considered, by many, to be one of the easiest specs on singletarget
pliant apex
okay richard
marble hemlock
just takes some practice
pliant apex
yea , i meant is pandemic a hard concept
marble hemlock
no
stable oxide
No, but you do need to understand it to optimise your rotation
pliant apex
ic , any guide i can read up on pandemic?
stable oxide
but i agree that the basics are more important
marble hemlock
get the basics down first
once you can do the opener without looking at the guide, and keep your rotation going
you can start learning about mechanics that make up minor improvements
pliant apex
ic ic
stable oxide
-Pandemic this term relates to reapplying buffs/debuffs. When a debuff (like garrote) is refreshed, its remaining time (up to a cap of 30% max duration, so 18x0.3=5.4s for garrote) will be added to the new buff. Primarily used to give leeway to reapply bleeds, however can also be used to make bleeds last longer.
This is pandamic
pliant apex
ah ic
stable oxide
But again, the basics first :P
solid nova
Goodluck
frigid sleet
is there any ressource yet on how to use blood essence most efficiently ? at r3 on single target
rigid mango
hm?
spice surge
with vendetta, before tb
frigid sleet
right thanks
vagrant wigeon
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loud pine
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simple meteor
do we wait 30 second for blood r3 at second vendetta?
strange python
wait
is blood r3 bis or are you just using it for now?
the only way i farm that to r3 is if it's bis for something
supple monolith
Hi
simple meteor
using it for now
supple monolith
Does anyone know how 1 go rank 2 blood of the enemy?
strange python
15k honor
tardy ether
15k honor
supple monolith
Kk thx
strange python
so you farmed 50k even though you have no idea if it's gonna be good enough to use
you crazy
simple meteor
honor week increase
strange python
yeah but still haha
i got 15k and even that was kinda aids
although i'm alliance and we lose most games
80% of them
simple meteor
was worth it i love it even if it ain't gonna be good doing 200k on reaping with x3 eb 
woven sentinel
You can q as horde
strange python
rly
simple meteor
i am horde but I que as mercenary for all
supple monolith
how you can q as horde
strange python
i won all my games with a 5 man premade
but that's rare i get 5 people wanting to pvp
wild stone
Does anyone know why exactly one should use herodmg over bloodmallet? I see diff results on each website for Rogue stuff
fresh coyote
transfering from alliance to horde. Any particular racial that sits well with sin rogues horde side?
solar rose
Blood elf ๐
crisp steppe
void elf 
50% cheaper transmog. its wild to me that majority of raiders still horde
thorn edge
rich wren
Look good feel good play good
urban junco
^
brave fable
returning player, looks like sin is still top for raids, but m+ seems to be split between outlaw+sin. I can't really be bothered to keep two specs up, is sin competitive for m+ around the +20 mark?
solid nova
Yes
brave fable
Great, and finally best way to get geared? Currently at 385. Just the new zones? or spam M+ too?
brave fable
cool ty
vapid scarab
just farm as many pearls as possible, spam m+ next week
brave fable
gotcha, pearls drop from rares and wqs (etc.) right?
real bay
also benthic is acc bound so you can buy them on alts
brave fable
ah cool, my spriest is 410 so im clearing zone on it, will send everything to rogue in that case
thanks folks
real bay
pearls aren't but gear is so you save some, just have to upgrade on rogue
vapid scarab
and farm the pearls to upgrade on rogue
urban junco
Yeah, benthic is such a good catchup now for alts
brave fable
Realistically what ilvl should it get me to by raid time?
i.e. will I be ready for normal or HC?
winter moss
depends on how much time you put into the game
i mean you can boost an alt from 280 to 405 over a weekend
brave fable
ah cool, its eu reset tomorrow so if I smash it tonight and over next few days I should catch up quickly
winter moss
if you got some friends who run full leather runs, sure why not
vapid scarab
getting past 405-410ish is gonna take a bit
brave fable
Apologies ๐ Thanks though!
desert pelican
mechagon card trinket is good for start raiding now? and what combination?
vapid scarab
punchcard is mediocre at best
hollow junco
punchcard is a wonderful stat stick w/ proc trinket for when you don't want to give a fuck about an on-use trinket while killing shitty WQ Mobs
just keep it in a different gearset than raid gear
spare hawk
where can i see benthic armor for assa?
rigid mango
strange python
can you do merc mode as alliance?
pliant apex
on the openeer for 'One or more Shrouded Suffocation powers for Toxic Blade' final point is garrote twice, i restart rotation from rupture after that? like point no 2?
strange python
60% mastery here i come
scarlet sequoia
anything out on benthic gear and which effects are the best etc?
solid nova
Yeah not sure on the gain % on rolling for them but not going to assume its massive
scarlet sequoia
i mean they only go to 425 so kinda need socket for it to be worth i guess
solid nova
Yeah definitely
rose violet
hollow junco
keep in mind you'll be farming 430s (before TF) from M+ starting one week from today
i get that there isn't a lot else to do with manapearls but i doubt that upgrading benthic gear should really be any kind of focus
scarlet sequoia
im not trying to gear up like this, some of the effects might be worth it for actual content so yeah was just wondering if any1 had done testing with sims or something
spice surge
425 boots with sockets are better than any like 440 boots without*
Even without factoring in the benthic bonus
valid spoke
How?
spice surge
Sockets are op
scarlet sequoia
still tho its like 100 agility difference
rose violet
Sockets are worth about 15 ilvl not 30
scarlet sequoia
sockets are better now so probably worth more than last patch
spice surge
Well depends on slot
warm ibex
think theyโre Bit more now
spice surge
But on rings 415 socket is about equal to 455
pliant apex
why doesnt method guide ask to use ' vanish' when running subterfuge @Subterfuge Opener:
Garrote
Rupture
Garrote
Vendetta
Toxic Blade
Envenom
Mutilate to 4cp+
Envenom@
they dont mention vanish, but they do with master assasin build
ravenholdt guide however says vanish and garrote twice
floral loom
because you wait until garrote falls off
which happens ~24 sec in
until you vanish
pliant apex
well method people shouldve mentioned that in rotation, poorly written guide
floral loom
you tell em!
pliant apex
even ravenholdt guide isnt well written, no one writes these thinking of completely new players
also after vanish and 2 garrotes, what rotation to follow then
this info is no where
marble hemlock
weve had this discussion before, it is written in the guide, you just dont seem to understand it and then blame the guide instead of reading it again to understand it properly
vapid scarab
there isn't a spec in the game that follows a rotation, everything is a priority
pliant apex
it really isnt mentioned in a beginner friendly way, lots of info is implied
vapid scarab
then ask questions about what you don't understand
pliant apex
im not an idiot, the guide itself takes liberties toward explaining stuff in the guise of being succinct
vapid scarab
and not just say the whole guide is shit and confusing
rigid mango
imagine if the guide
had a discord connected to it
where you could ask questions
if you're confused
marble hemlock
so whats the problem then with the ravenholdt guide?
rigid mango
marble hemlock
what do you think is missing?
pliant apex
whats missing is the 'loop' of rotation itself
marble hemlock
other then, you know, how to put abilities on bars or opening from stealth, both of which are assumed to happen before you start reading a guide
pliant apex
the rinse and repeat mechanism, which a new player needs
marble hemlock
maybe thats because its not a loop
marble hemlock
we have a bleed which has up to 32 seconds of duration, another one with up to 24seconds, a 25second cooldown, a 2minute cooldown
pliant apex
see its ambiguous, and ambiguity is intimidating to new players
marble hemlock
its not ambiguous at all
pliant apex
it is to me man
marble hemlock
and because youre not an idiot, the guide must be bad?
pliant apex
it is a poorly written guide indeed, theres also poor grammar in there. pathetic
rigid mango
lol.
marble hemlock
i still dont get your problem, it clearly states all priorities of your rotation
vapid scarab
you fundamentally misunderstand how specs work
you operate based on a priority, not a rotation loop
spring iron
harlans or cannon?
rigid mango
Sin is about prioritating abilities
vapid scarab
every spec in the game is about prioritizing abilities
tiny arrow
Not sure if he's trolling or just stupid
pliant apex
what class has that loop, ill play that, im re rolling from mage
pliant apex
im not stupid ffs, whats with the insults
rigid mango
You're insulting the guide
marble hemlock
rigid mango
idk
marble hemlock
what is unclear
rigid mango
and the writers
marble hemlock
about this section?
tame cobalt
No class has a loop?
pliant apex
frankly i wish classes were simpler so i could stop failing trials
i can never play a class well
i always under perform
marble hemlock
all classes build up resources and then spend them, and that resource generation is not static for any class
tame cobalt
this is so omegalul
pliant apex
its true
pliant apex
ive failed 12 trials in the last year
dense quest
pretty sure its a troll
pliant apex
im being honest, look up artmaker-frostmourne
dense quest
Ive seen this story before
pliant apex
im sick of failing trials and being not good enough for every top guidl i try
spring iron
so.... should I use harlans loaded dice or the cannon trinket?
tiny arrow
Stop being shit then (:
pliant apex
and i dont want to be in shitty guilds which cant get CE
ive tried man, i just cant be a good player with consistent top dps
so sick of this crap
tame cobalt
Go use rotation addon ๐
pliant apex
whats the name
dense quest
just play a class you like
pliant apex
of addon
vapid scarab
it literally comes down to just not wasting resources and using abilities on CD
hollow junco
play DH
pliant apex
DH is easy?
vapid scarab
every class in the game can be summed up that way
hollow junco
can't mess up that rotation
tame cobalt
HeroRotation if i member corectly
hollow junco
rotation isn't even the right word, it's just the word people like to use to describe pushing buttons
pliant apex
oh .. its an easy rotation for DH?
rigid mango
He's trolling.
spring iron
@pliant apex maybe it's time to readjust your expectations. Maybe you aren't ready for a CE guild. CE guilds are Mid Tier guilds IMO
marble hemlock
most classes dont have a rotiation anymore, but a priority list that they work down
spring iron
High Tier guilds are Top 100 guilds
dense quest
maybe aim for aotc instead?
rigid mango
If you aren't, unlucky.
spring iron
and then there's WF racing guilds which are THE TOP
marble hemlock
so theres always some dynamic gameplay that relies on the player to identify what situation they are in to then use the "right" button if they want to maximize their dps
tiny arrow
the rotation ain't rlly that hard
spring iron
How quickly do you get AoTC?
dense quest
but are you doing top dps in aotc situations
rigid mango
Idk what this convo even became.
The guide has missing pieces, but nothing about rotations for st afaik
dense quest
honestly just pick a spec and class you enjoy playing do content with it
eventually you get good with it
then you do whatever you want
pliant apex
ok
marble hemlock
so it seems youre looking for things that dont exist. youre looking to be part of a CE guild while being a mediocre player at best, and youre for an easy class that just presses buttons 1-2-3-4-5 and then repeats and can do good dps
pliant apex
exactly
gentle path
why are you feedin the troll
pliant apex
is there a class like that?
spring iron
@zine should I use harlans dice from M10 or Kul Tiran Cannonball from M10?
rigid mango
So you're trolling.
marble hemlock
i strongly suggest you change your attitude regarding both of these, and it will make you a better player, and youre gonna enjoy the game more by doing so
rigid mango
@spring iron dice
pliant apex
im not, i just want an easier class
spring iron
ty
pliant apex
ok
dense quest
there isnt
gentle path
runescape is a good game art, go play it
marble hemlock
i already told you earlier, assa is considered by many to be one of the easiest specs for riading
dense quest
the problem is raid environment now sometimes requires you as X class to do X things
dense quest
if you cant perform X things while doing dps
rigid mango
we should end this convo probs
dense quest
there are others who can
pliant apex
im not trolling ripcord, why must you say that , im stating facts, as i see them
hasty brook
This lucid dream essen is nutsa. I can see this getting nerfed. Can't spend enough enegry on it
rigid mango
Like
gentle path
lol
rigid mango
The way you think is like
You want your cake and eat it too, for free, every day, and never get diabetus
haughty lily
!essence
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marble hemlock
so yeah, think about what you enjoy about the game, if you cant handle assa then youre kinda out of luck. the guide is not perfect, but ive recommended it to dozens of people and none of them had any issues understanding it and picked the spec up very quickly
rigid mango
The guide has enough info to bring you to a basic level
When you have questsions about deeper stuff
this is the place
pliant apex
fair enough
hasty brook
it seems overwelming at first because we have several openners that differ depending on our traits but you get used to it.
marble hemlock
has nothing to do with trusting me, youre just looking for the wrong thing. now that you know thats the case, re-read the guide, play along as you do, and youll understand why there is no loop or anything like that
rose violet
dafuq did i just read?
ripe nimbus
Science
hasty brook
idk I just got here
rigid mango
Don't read
fathom wyvern
what t100 talent does assa run in keys with EB traits?
rose violet
too late
rigid mango
Pb
marble hemlock
@fathom wyvern PB
hasty brook
gross...
you would think with the OP lucid dream that you can shy away from vigor
at-least in dungeons
rigid mango
wait deeper strat actually higher on st?
quasi pewter
little bit ye
rigid mango
pog
waxen valve
Easy or hard at which level of playing? Assa got dots, cds, windows, resource management. At low apm mistakes are more punishing :)
marble hemlock
ive played deeper on st in keys already with shitty haste, and it feels great :p
go for it
quasi pewter
hm
rigid mango
I guess lucid is all we need huh
marble hemlock
was contemplating playing it myself in raids
hasty brook
Not saying that is all we need. JUst feels really good.
quasi pewter
i really hope lucid is bis major in the future aswell
hasty brook
Same.
rigid mango
r3 life force lookin juicy
hasty brook
^
rigid mango
But we'll see w scaling and all
livid hull
What does 3 stacks, 0 stacks and default mean on herodamage?
rigid mango
Like
It's 3 diff bosses that drop it iirc
just not sure if increased by diff or not
I'd assume it is, maybe 1 nm 2 hc 3 m
rigid mango
It got a bit nerfed aye
rigid mango
I've yet to test it on my part, but yeah it seems a bit worse
quasi pewter
alot apparantly
rigid mango
Isthat swapping 1 peice?
quasi pewter
300 dps worse than 405 socket dice before it was 300 more
polar forge
Crit gems?
polar forge
So triple DD with all mastery gems/enchants is wat to go?
polar forge
Way*
fathom wyvern
@rigid mango is there anything you would swap out? i dont have lurkers... never lucky on loot
rigid mango
When running lucid major it devalues haste a bit, so a fair bit you get mastery as prio
I'd pick whatever sims highest
unless it's a GCB
Gear doesn't matter in a couple of weeks anyways
Don't stress it my dudes
red plaza
on use trinkets work well. pvp one is easy to get or plume from kings rest
zenith gust
anyone has the macro for lurkers?
polar forge
Iโve been too lazy to swap off garrote build until new azerite
vapid scarab
what macro do you need
polar forge
With subt and tb
vapid scarab
you just
#showtooltip Vendetta
/use 13
/use 14
/cast Vendetta
bronze topaz
is there a 'bis' profession for assa?
polar forge
^
bronze topaz
ok thanks
vast forum
engi bis profession for everything
quasi pewter
true
vast forum
nothing beats infinite gliders, speed or shield on belt, AH in main city
no amount of dps can compensate for that
polar forge
Knock back on belt is good for keys too
strange python
just buy a long boi and you get all that and a better profession
fathom wyvern
does this sim seem legit? losing 2x NP traits and mastery over crit and haste gems?
arctic walrus
I don't get why even with lucid, mastery gems don't sim better for me. I have 9 sockets (8 haste 1 agi)
strange python
my sims are putting me to like 15% haste and 60% mastery lol
twin wharf
Do we have a potion command or smth?
cobalt pelican
you're simming light movement 6mins which is pretty irregular
but it's not abnormal to want mastery over haste at this point
fathom wyvern
but the traits doesnt seem messed up do they? its 2x NP traits instead of blightborne and covenant
cobalt pelican
blightborne has always simmed higher than np
well, in most cases
tc probably gains a bit on how you've simmed, 6 mins is absolutely unideal for np
strange python
if thats what the sim tells you then sure @fathom wyvern
cobalt pelican
because it comes off cd just as your fight length ends
fathom wyvern
should i sim patchwerk instead?
cobalt pelican
sim what you want, most people just sim patchwerk 5m you can sim 6m light movement if you want but
it's pretty obvious that np would be a worse trait in that situation
since you lose an entire cast of it
vocal kelp
^
cobalt pelican
because the fight ends when it comes off cd
fathom wyvern
assuming i combo plumage with vendetta?
rigid mango
versa over haste? 
rigid mango
Sheesh
ionic tree
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strange python
couple people with 58 neck already lol
go eat some ass for the love of god take a break
ripe nimbus
If u link ur sim one more time I'm going to delete my sys32 folder
cobalt pelican
or just equip the nazjatar boots
cobalt pelican
feet=,id=170141,gem_id=168641,bonus_id=6300/4802/6290/1492/4786
is the 400ilvl string i think
autumn slate
When during the opener do I click Lucid dreams button
hollow stone
When below ~50E. Its usually like 5-8 sec remaining on vend
autumn slate
Ok ty
strange python
Do we want any of the new pots for assassination or are we still using Superior Battle Potion of Agility for ST?
hollow stone
Agi is the safest bet. The crit one, based on reports here, is not working as intended so its tough to say for sure
If youre looking to stock up on pots, either save your mats or make agi
strange python
What about the fury one?
hollow stone
It was simming well but im unconvinced. You can sim em if you want but my advice would be just go agi
strange python
kk
quasi pewter
crit one could just be a tooltip error
hollow stone
^
quasi pewter
kind of hard to check unfortunately
when i look at first 25 sec of every pull in my logs my crit does seem very high (as if it was working correctly at 20%)
but cant be sure ofc
its also weird that it stacks to 10 on uunat and only 5 on jaina
and takes you out of stealth
thats a big yikes aswell
empty ravine
do we still use haste and crit weapon enchant? or is the weapon speed one good?
empty ravine
got you
hearty junco
it was waist and boots you wanted to buy or mana right?
strange python
Waist and boots correct
strange python
W/e gets a socket and the trait I suppose
rigid mango
The waist is better for two bosses
the feet are better for any boss not those two
Two bosses (orgozoa/zaquul iirc) count as abberations and thus the damage counts there
but no other, so crit is bette rthere
urban junco
What about gloves?
sudden ravine
Ok , so the Pin here says the Trinket wasn't working with multiple people using it
but Blizzard just put out a hotfix that says the trinket was proccing -too much- with multiple people using it
solid nova
It was procing off the explosion yes
The shared effect on multiple users is still a thing
civic palm
The text is kinda vaaaaaaaaague.
The way they worded it makes me think it was literally just having it equipped, which is dumb beyond reason.
silver zenith
vagrant wigeon
what socket we need with benthics stuff ?
civic palm
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
vagrant wigeon
na
empty ravine
its vest of reverent adoration
which isnt bad
but i want one with goddam fok trait
celest mirage
anyone looked at the new inscription trinket? someone told me it was good but wanted to confirm before I dropped the gold.
empty ravine
no idea
silver zenith
Rickey check pins
sudden ravine
Some hotfix just went through on it, so who knows
paper helm
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rigid mango
@celest mirage it was broken, it's now been slightly adjusted and now seems good but not insane
Sim it with gear compare if you want to see if it's a potential upgrade
stable plinth
thank god they fixed the essences stealth bugs
urban junco
^
Was so annoying
It's bad enough that the Rogue follower in Naz doesn't restealth when you vanish
so you're stuck in combat
empty ravine
wtf why am i getting the same azerite piece when i buy the random vendor
literally 3 of the same chest, now 3 of the same shoulders
crystal vessel
Yup. Thatโs why Iโm saving for specific next tier.
urban junco
^
paper helm
if i have shrouded suffocation do i need to take Deeper Stratagem and Exsanguinate?
wooden kiln
Hello guys, have a small question about the bentic gear.
Is the belt with damage buff against Aberations going to be strong in raid content? Is it useful spending that much manapearl upgrading it?
Thanks a lot for your answer ๐
solid nova
2 bosses in Palace are Aberrations, For now we can assume yes.
wooden kiln
@solid nova So you'll use the belt versus those 2bosses and another one vs the other bosses?
paper helm
@rigid mango ok, herodamage charts showed SS to be very low without those talents so I was just wondering
solid nova
^
wooden kiln
And the boots are a must have for all content aswell?
wooden kiln
I mean all raid bosses in EP by all content, my bad, didn't use the good words
karmic galleon
hey guys, is there something im missing about Sin's aoe? following the rotation in guides, I just can't seem to get ahead of even the tank in +4-6 target pulls.
rigid mango
Echoping blades
karmic galleon
i have one
sick pasture
Would you guys rather use Blood major or lucid major for raid opening?
fervent atlas
memory lawl
peak saffron
So Blood of the Enemy rank 3 major with Lucid Dream minor rank 2 is simming highest for me at the moment, with master assassin ST boss fight, should I be delaying my 2nd cast of Blood of the Enemy to line up with my vanish and vendetta + toxic blade, or use it on cooldown? I'm not 100% sure how to read Raidbots api to know the answer on my own.
silver zenith
@sick pasture What ever sims the best
fervent atlas
xd
sick pasture
Is there any way to sim the essences?
peak saffron
raidbots has an option for them under top gear
silver zenith
Currently for me its Lucid rank 2 minor with Crucible of flame rank 2Major
peak saffron
you're already 60 neck? @silver zenith
rigid mango
No he's not
silver zenith
I miss clicked, im only 55
peak saffron
yeah im 55 as well, still not sure how to use my Blood of the Enemy rank 3 major effectively
silver zenith
I'll use blood of the enemy rank 3 in M+ tho, fo sho
loud sand
So other specs are showing some 425 benthic pieces + socket are simming higher due to the effect; like the +crit damage boots, etc. Have we confirmed any such examples for sin?
peak saffron
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pBWsHFT6t5RAWjGibPUwny here's my sim if that helps anyone
silver zenith
Have u tried simming with Unbridled prepot thingy
peak saffron
no
rigid mango
blood and crucible are looking ver close to one another on r3
peak saffron
so do I line up my 2nd cast of blood with my vendetta, vanish, and toxic blade, or just use it on cooldown? lol. does anyone know?
latent tendon
are we still looking at blood major and lucid minor for the first weeks ?
loud sand
I thought blood major went back to being garbage with the changes from ptr to live?
ripe nimbus
Why use blood major when u can use CoF R3
peak saffron
I don't have CoF r3. im not 60 neck
onyx rock
@peak saffron That is what you sim does. Dont know how well it is optimized but yeah...
peak saffron
that seems really weird
loud sand
Blood major may be potent, but the minor is simming very poorly. I'd think we would consider that when choosing our major.
peak saffron
I'm just following Sims, which might be wrong right now
loud sand
Why not take lucid, given its major + minor combo sims higher than other combos?
civic palm
Blood is still 10sec ye?
civic palm
Because what sims highest for YOU might be different than for someone ELSE.
I would still probably Blood before TB/Vanish/etc.
latent tendon
lucid feels really wonky atm
still using old gear which has too much haste
i get energy capped every time i use lucid
civic palm
Then wait longer and spam harder.
latent tendon
maybe once we drop all that haste and stack crit/mastery
ripe nimbus
The blood of the enemy minor is horrible so I'm not sure how it's simming higher for people when there's clearly better major slots that will be avail first weeks
civic palm
There's going to be the chance that you get NRG capped after losing it on very low energy due to how much fucking NRG can be generated from the procs while you have the Major running.
loud sand
When I use it as soon as I'm energy starved, it feels pretty smooth
onyx rock
Well my Gear want ALL the Haste... and i am at 28% right now
loud sand
But again, we each have different stat levels
onyx rock
Yes
peak saffron
"feel" craft isn't simming
@civic palm that's the opener that makes sense to me, I'm just concerned to do with the casts afterwards.
do we delay or on CD?
civic palm
Yeah delay it.
Chance of losing a cast is very low.
Not possible if the fight doesn't last over 6 fucking minutes.
runic basin
hey guys
civic palm
๐
runic basin
alchemiststone - top / flop ?
civic palm
checksthefuckingcharts
shy dust
Mizerok sounds tired of everyones shit lol
civic palm
It's crap!!
๐
Honestly it's probably fine as a filler trinket if you've nothing better.
It's probably better than the Punchcard... for now.
runic basin
thank u
rigid mango
Mizerok is tired of all shit
civic palm
Naaaah
rigid mango
Lie.
civic palm
Maybe.
vivid hill
did they fix the highborne trinket yet
opaque tree
How are people grinding to 55 on neck? Obviously not just doing world quests. Are you doing islands non stop??
rigid mango
Yes.
opaque tree
I havenโt unlocked my minor slot yet. ๐ฆ
Do both pvp islands and mythic give the same AP? Although I assume doing pvp islands is better way to go for blood essence at the same time?
rigid mango
Very #wow-general question
opaque tree
Mmkay
outer venture
when do I use memory of lucid dreams? When the energy regen from NP runs off (so after vendetta)?
ripe nimbus
When ever u go below 50 energy don't try and line it up with stuff
low swift
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cold meteor
!enchant
outer venture
ok ty
mystic charm
!wa
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fathom wyvern
!commands
rigid mango
Waddaya need
civic palm
!friend
rigid mango
Booli
steady bay
question about memory of lucid dreams, is it most optimal to use that outside of vendetta? for example, pop it for toxic blade after your vendetta runs out?
civic palm
Use it when you have less than 50NRG.
steady bay
even if it might not be paired up with toxic blade?
civic palm
Yes. There are other things to consider than just your TB windows.
Though coming off the high might make going into those windows awkward as your APM will drop dramatically.
steady bay
alright, thanks<3
arctic walrus
Any word on how good the new traits are
have a choice to replace blightborne with loyal to the end
civic palm
Math not done.
verbal loom
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zinc pine
Are there Benthic sims by chance? I couldn't see any in pins
placid dawn
wtf, 35k?
arctic walrus
Big pump
placid dawn
how much dps did the second minor give?
placid dawn
well fuck, im at 31.5k or something
stable plinth
Lucid major is actually simming higher for you?
My R3 blood is actually outsimming my R2 lucid as major still zzz
worldly seal
any general consensus on whatsthe best benthic bonuses
arctic walrus
Yeah not really sure why r1 lucid is a better major than both r2 blood and flame
worldly seal
the benthic bonus that increasses threat is no bueno right?
stable plinth
Raidbots is super slow today for me so my sims taking a while
worldly seal
even tho its aoe
solid nova
Nothing notable beyond boots/belt
harsh sphinx
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crisp steppe
well it'll work for every boss right
rather than just 2/9
you can buy tokens on alts btw
they're boa
worldly seal
doesnt it pull threat?
i guess technicaLLYU
u wont pull over a tank
but what if u have a nasty opener
civic palm
Just Tricks it :3
hazy iron
rancid bobcat
what's commonly used settings to sim for dungeon?
rigid mango
Dungeonslice
icy ember
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rigid mango
But it's not v accurate for sin
rigid mango
You can't properly but like
6t 40 sec i guess?
It's more down to know prios
Less than simming for sin
rigid mango
Fly?
dim flicker
Anyone have any ideas of what Benthic gear might be OP/Good for Sin?
civic palm
FLIGHT. POINT.
worldly seal
ty