assassination

[strange python]

Oh right ok

Well thanks for the info 😃

[atomic saddle]

so from a feelycraft point of view we expect flame essence to still be used on most bosses even when there are adds included?`

[vapid scarab]

Literally nobody can answer that accurately

Hence “farm as much as you can as high as you can cus who knows what will be good”

[atomic saddle]

alright then, thought there was more of a clear idea already by ppl testing ptr and stuff but we will see, thanks anyway

[rigid mango]

go flame and or blood

there u go¨

[vapid scarab]

And then if tuning week changes anything be annoyed you have to go farm the r1/r2 you could have already gotten when there was nothing else to do

[strange python]

How long did it take you guys to get blood rank 3

[south horizon]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[tribal marlin]

it's my 2nd long day farming it and i'm at 34k/50k

[fathom viper]

find four fire mages who are good

[tribal marlin]

but tbh it's a "fun" grind, you can find some fun doing BGs

[fathom viper]

can get it in a day

but otherwise, it's a grind

[tribal marlin]

It's somewhere between 20h and 50h

20h if you go full premade and win everything in 15mn

[stuck knoll]

Take this to #wow-general

[hollow lark]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[atomic saddle]

you find premade grps in the rbg tab i guess?

[grim canopy]

i couldn't find a single premade i just lost every match and barely even ran k2

very fun patch so far

[jovial vault]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hXgQZAR5juZaM6iJUoFGaZ are sims wrong saying this inscription trinket is decent?

[daring atlas]

I know we are saying Lucid dreams is number 1 if you don;t have a minor slot opened but man.... I can't see how anything beats that .. We can stack mastery > Crit because of that

[timber mauve]

Wondering about that trinket, tooltip is different outside game then inside game

sims pulling bad data?

[daring atlas]

I don't think so? What the stat weights for your toon?

What essence you using>

[onyx loom]

i guess sim is working

[jovial vault]

im using lucid for my essence

[daring atlas]

That may be right then based of stat priority.

[jovial vault]

well it simmed higher then my 410 dice

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9EnWMjJftZmw4VPxwft8z4

[daring atlas]

Run your stat weights and post it

[jovial vault]

just did

[daring atlas]

Sorry just loaded for me 😃 llol. I am assuming that it prefers that and sims higher because the straight agility. That is almost 100 more agility. The dice is RNG on what it gives for 15 sec

So i am assuming that because of the straight agil diff, that pulls ahead in a 10 min fight

[jovial vault]

but dice gives more agi

[daring atlas]

Is yours M+ - rank 10?

[jovial vault]

my dice is a 410

also beats my 420 plummage

[daring atlas]

Ya idk why then, cause the only logical explanation would be the agility but if your dice is more then no clue

[lone junco]

Btw. Don't go DEing old bis, due to new Sims.

[jovial vault]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kktF7b7crPE9Pc32eNo25V theres all my trinks

oh god no

im assumming sims are wrong atm

[lone junco]

Balance week will be important

[daring atlas]

Well the lurkers i get tho right because of the mastery and that being your highest stat weight but the inscrip trink lol

no idea

[grim canopy]

Fire is gonna get nerfed first

or lucid

[vapid scarab]

The inscription trinket is over simming by about 40%

It’s about equal to kimbuls

Slightly higher

[lone junco]

Yeah. I want to see trinkets in logs before I bust coin on one.

[jovial vault]

i only spent 11k on mine

[vapid scarab]

Just did some testing and it was proccing about half as often as the sims for about 30% less damage

was capping out around 900 dps rather than 1500 from the sims

[lone junco]

11k seems fine for trinwkts.

[vapid scarab]

It’s still better than anything else you can get atm really but it’s not as insane as sims make it out to be

[carmine valve]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[ionic matrix]

just stopping in to see what the story on highborne sundering is

its about 4% of my overall damage on a 10 million test at dummies

sim has the wrong values listed on the item though, so that could be skewing raidbots into the over value

[strange python]

Is there some way to know how good are the new traits? Loyal to the end, Arcane Heart Etc?

[lone junco]

@strange python just buy them all and try them a bit.

sims will be out soon, but they will all change after balancing. so good luck with that.

or read this.

https://www.wowhead.com/guides/assassination-rogue-azerite-essences

[white basalt]

What's the best transmog for sin?

[latent tendon]

Lucid dreams would mean we'd have to drop a lot of the haste tho wouldn't it?

[ionic matrix]

thats what everyone is doing raicky

[latent tendon]

I've tried it out and I get energy capped every time I use it even if I start out with very Lowe energy

[ionic matrix]

swapping to full mastery

[warm ibex]

my mastery stat weight is looking around 3.9 now whilst haste went down to 3.5 once i use lucid

[ionic matrix]

I went from about 24% haste to about 16% and its certainly an improvement on single target, which means its even better for aoe or cleave because you will have more energy and haste loses value

[warm ibex]

so, probably more effective stacking mastery after a point

[ornate meteor]

Do you guys use lucid on burst pull? Or after vendetta end?

[ionic matrix]

using it on pull is a complete waste

[warm ibex]

i use at first instance of hitting 0 energy after first TB window

[ionic matrix]

it needs to be used about 2/3 of the way through vendetta

[warm ibex]

seems to line up nicely for vendetta and 2nd TB windows

[ionic matrix]

^what kush said is correct

[ornate meteor]

So when im low on energy while using vendetta and about to end just use lucid ya?

[ionic matrix]

yeah

[warm ibex]

at rank 1 it lines up perfectly with every vendetta for pronged burst windows, rank 2 will mix it up a bit

[rigid mango]

You hit less than 50 energy, you pop it

That simple

Normally happens about 10-15 sec into vend

[warm ibex]

i’d use a lower window than 50 energy imo

[ionic matrix]

agreed

[rigid mango]

Well

Sims say 50 is highest dps

[ionic matrix]

no

[warm ibex]

but depends on haste, fight etc

[rigid mango]

So i pref dps

Yes

They do

[ionic matrix]

the sim doesnt say 50 is the highest

its just coded to use it at 50

[rigid mango]

[warm ibex]

^^

[ionic matrix]

because they had to use a number...

[rigid mango]

Eleem tested it

[warm ibex]

just use when 50 or below

keep everyone happy

[rigid mango]

Proving that 50 was the breakpoint to gain most dps

[ionic matrix]

yes, use at 50 and waste energy

lose dps

[warm ibex]

but you get more value the less energy you have when popped

[rigid mango]

Sub 50, win dps

[warm ibex]

as you’re less likely to cap

[rigid mango]

I'll take that for sure

You pop it as long as you're under 50, there're better and worse situations, but that's optimal

[warm ibex]

this is all trivial tbh tho, till next week with raid out and higher ranks and more essences available it’s all a meme

just get as many as you can as high rank as you can get them

then come back and read discord after tuning

[rigid mango]

Of course, soon we wont ever touch lucid major

[ionic matrix]

the reason you would use it <50 is because mutilate cost 50. However, there is natural lag in the game that sim doesnt account for and a human cant account for so actually using it at 49 means you will more than likely be using it 60 and wasting energy. That's why the reality is that its best to use when you are at like 20-30 energy.

because input lag and servers exist in real life, but they dont in simc

because the second you use it at 49 energy, you lose a global, which pushed you to nearly 80-90 energy and you then have to deal with the fact that you cant global perfectly so you are going to waste that energy

[hollow stone]

<50 means 50 or under right?

[ionic matrix]

49 and under technically

<=50 would be 50 and under

[tacit plinth]

Is haste still over valued in raidbots or is it at least slightly more reliable in terms of it being #1 stat

[ionic matrix]

most people arent running haste as #1 anymore based on the new lucid dreams essence

its actually more than likely #2 or 3 depending on your gear.

its still good though

[tacit plinth]

sorry, to clarify , this would be primarily in the context of M+, I'm using the dungeon sim even though its new, dont know if that changes the answer

[civic palm]

haste was never overvalued and mastery was creeping up since NP release

[ionic matrix]

I would think in dungeons haste would be even less valuable

because of multidotting and energy regen being much higher

[civic palm]

It's very poor in dungeons.

[tacit plinth]

That was my assumption as welll

[civic palm]

and has simmed as such.

[tacit plinth]

well for my dungeon sim its still simming highest and that was my confusion, thank you for clarification

[ionic matrix]

InSomnia can you shed some light on higborne trinket

[civic palm]

What about it?

[ionic matrix]

it seems to be oversimming by about 40%

30-40%

and its pushing it to the top of several priority lists

[civic palm]

Part of it seems to function like Ignite used to.

[ionic matrix]

dont think thats correct

because testing it at the dummy

and its not anywhere close to 5% of overall damage

maybe 4%

[civic palm]

It's right but there might also be other problems.

2-5% is still insane for a trinket.

Anything more than 2% is very strong.

[ionic matrix]

I think the in game proc chance is much lower than the sim

I am almost 100% sure the sim is incorrect

[civic palm]

Things have changed since PTR, for sure.

[ionic matrix]

I think the issue is that the ptr data that the trinket pulls from

shows vastly different stats than the in game version

[civic palm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Don't use Focused Resolve either btw, that's a piece of shit.

[ionic matrix]

ive been using unbrideled fury

seems good I think

[civic palm]

Yep

[ionic matrix]

the agi ones could be useful if something requires heavy instant burn

but for most fights, the longer 1 min duration probably wins

[grim canopy]

so im starting to do a bit more seriouse m+, what is really good mods that alert me to something important i Should kick

also mods that make the cast bar more clear on their name plate

[civic palm]

Almost every addon that changes the nameplates shows clear cast bars, and most of the time you're better off learning and/or asking whether or not you should be focusing on something.

[grim canopy]

like every time i watch a sstream i see a big alerts and noises

when a crazy spell is being cast

[civic palm]

uhhuh

[grim canopy]

is that bigwigs?

[civic palm]

or littlewigs, or dmg, or some WA, or something else.

[grim canopy]

ahh

[civic palm]

dmg == dbm

[grim canopy]

alright ill try all those and also look for some enhanced WA's

[floral loom]

what's the general rotation on reaping with at least 2x EB?

do you even use finishers?

and is hidden blades a good option?

[ionic matrix]

reaping goes away in 1 week

[floral loom]

i'm aware of that

but reaping is also just another way of saying "high MT burst"

[ionic matrix]

there is probably some threshhold of add # where you wont use finishers

but its gotta be pretty high

because without finishers you wont have posion bomb procs

i guess you could do crimson tempest 1x and just do fok spam after that

flawless would the person to answer that

[civic palm]

HB is fine

[royal lantern]

[hollow stone]

Just spam fok in reap waves after having dots out for regen or snipe regen by rupt before something dies

Otherwise just fok

[teal frigate]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[balmy quest]

Every time I pop Lucid no matter how much I spam abilities I cap energy pretty quickly even outside of bloodlust and vendetta. Feels bad capping energy when it is generally the golden no-no of our rotation 😦

I love the minor but the major is ugh

[lusty narwhal]

It is a pretty insane regen rate so it’s to be expected in a way

[balmy quest]

I kind of hope tuning comes through which puts another essence as our best ST major

[lusty narwhal]

Lucid feels pretty nice though

You are using it sub 50 energy yeah?

[balmy quest]

I mean it is great never running out of energy during a TB even if you've not pooled

but it just feels like I'm "losing resources" you know?

Yeah definitely using it sub 50 energy

[vapid scarab]

That kinda takes away the whole fun of the spec

[balmy quest]

no pooling for TB 😦

[vapid scarab]

With infinite resources where is the planning

[balmy quest]

ikr

[vapid scarab]

Makes the spec boring and spammy

Keep dots up and use everything on cd

Cool, sick essence

[lusty narwhal]

Kinda always was though, the planning isnt that hard to be fair

[vapid scarab]

It’s still something to think about

[lusty narwhal]

Yeah

Well at least it changes gameplay up a bit, where as if Vision was BiS it’d just be a NP proc lol

[limber dew]

when do you use lucid dreams?

[balmy quest]

I actually think visions makes the rotation more interesting than lucid

[vapid scarab]

Visions means you plan again so yeah

[balmy quest]

It means vanish isn't aligned with your vendetta, so do you use it on CD or hold it for a vendetta proc?

[vapid scarab]

Anything that makes you not just spam mut into finishers and tb on cd is better

[limber dew]

when do you use lucid?

[balmy quest]

<50 energy

[civic palm]

under 50NRG

The last Mutilate you use that gets you under 55 NRG just mash it

[balmy quest]

I guess it is nice to have a 2min CD that shouldn't be used with vendetta, but it isn't that interesting

would have been worse if it was just another line to throw into your vendetta macro

[carmine valve]

Last time I played sin in m+ was in season 1, I used 3x SS trait with Exang + Crimson Tempest build. has much changed from that?

[vapid scarab]

you don't use 3x SS and you don't play exang or CT

[carmine valve]

what?

You dont spread garrote anymore?

[vapid scarab]

not really outside of the 3 empowered ones when you open

after that you don't refresh on more than 2 targets

[carmine valve]

thats so weird

so u go for 3x echo blade?

[vapid scarab]

2-3

2SS/2TTK/2EB is a nice balanced build

[red plaza]

all around would be 2-3 eb/1 ss/2-3 tk

what Sas said XD

[vapid scarab]

basically you just maintain 5 bleeds for infinite energy and FoK spam or funnel into a prio target

the target count for that depends on how many EB you have

but at 3 EB I'm pretty sure 2 targets is the breakpoint

[carmine valve]

so more than 2 target spam fok?

with 3eb?

[vapid scarab]

iirc yeah

for overall damage

but sin isn't completely about just overall dmg

you kind of play sub rogue role in a way

but less specialized into that one thing

[carmine valve]

poor sub

[civic palm]

They're fine just unfun to play.

and shuriken combo was way more powerful than the priority targeting SIN has atm.

[vapid scarab]

well yeah

SasquatchToday at 11:15 PM
you kind of play sub rogue role in a way
but less specialized into that one thing```

[sudden ocean]

is the new inscription trinket any good?

[limber dew]

sims top

by a long shot

[sudden ocean]

confirmed or are the sims still unstable

[limber dew]

no idea i just bought one to test

[vapid scarab]

sims higher than it should but it's still the best trinket you can get atm

[lusty narwhal]

Check #tc-research

Discussion on it there

[vapid scarab]

it oversims by about 30%

slightly better than a same ilvl kimbuls

[sudden ocean]

ah so it snipes stacks if multiple people are using it

[lusty narwhal]

Supposedly

[quiet totem]

How does it stack up to 430 trinkets though?

[vapid scarab]

what are those 430 trinkets

[quiet totem]

I mean once season 3 starts

So raid / M+ drops at 430

[jolly spoke]

you mean the 400 item level Highborne Compendium of Sundering is better than 410/420?

i have a 410 gales and 420 kimbul

[limber dew]

hows the new weapon enchant looking?

[vapid scarab]

you want one

[jolly spoke]

yeah over the 420?

[vapid scarab]

probably not

i was talking about the weapon enchant

[nimble tartan]

any assassination players that are also cute want to talk about rogue stuff

[jolly spoke]

just trying to figure it out haha.

[civic palm]

oof haste

[limber dew]

thats Lucid for you 😄

@vapid scarab fore-multiplier

[vapid scarab]

i know what it's called

you want one

[spice surge]

Wait what, why are your stat weights so low

[limber dew]

Agility=2.48, CritRating=3.67, HasteRating=3.79, MasteryRating=3.70, Versatility=3.34, Dps=12.37, OffHandDps=1.36 )

[civic palm]

Because I am not fucking 420.

[spice surge]

Unluck

[hazy iron]

I’m stuck at 414 with 5 sockets :X

[spice surge]

I mean, a socket is worth A LOT of ilvls (on that specific piece)

Especially now that they introduced 60 stat sockets

[onyx rock]

Imagine having 8 😏

[spice surge]

http://piclair.com/data/97q1f.jpg

🤔

[nimble tartan]

i cant wait to roll sockets on all slots with benthic

[nocturne gate]

thats pretty funny eleem

[winter moss]

anyone thoughts on the benthic boots?

[spice surge]

Get them with a socket and you're gucci

[winter moss]

unlucky

socket luck went into mydas 425 with socket

[ashen ermine]

Is there a bis for benthic gear floating around?

[winter moss]

bis isnt the shit anymore

since everything can war/titanforge +socket

[ashen ermine]

Ok bis was shit word to use. Is there like a list of benthic gear we SHOULD get

[civic palm]

Nope.

The cloak for the proc if you want the murloc stuff.

[celest mirage]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[balmy quest]

does anyone have the snippet for a simc string that I can use to add my Lucid essence into a raidbots run? I'm not at a pc with wow at the moment so I can't /simc

[spice surge]

Check #tc-updates and scroll up a bit and you'll find it 😃

[rancid bobcat]

!enchants

!enchant

[solid nova]

Sim yourself for enchants

[high ruin]

!essencechart

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essence chart: https://bit.ly/2xdr7P8

[high ruin]

so what are yall's plans/goals for essences for week 1 of raid? seems to be from that chart it looks to be lucid major and worldvein minor will be bis

maybe blood + lucid minor if the boss has lots of adds. I honestly havent looked at the boss fights too much yet

[rough agate]

really worldvein minor?

oh only if 3 allies have it as well

[high ruin]

Yeah I have no idea how popular it will be amongst other classes

but in a 20 man raid group it doesnt seem impossible

[latent tendon]

Is the raid coming this reset or the next?

[high ruin]

next

[latent tendon]

Ah cool

I'm hoping to farm bote rank 2 by then

I'm about halfway in at this point and I only started farming it seriously like a couple days ago

Bote major and lucid minor seems like a good setup to run with till the theorycrafting is finished

Scratch that. I'm only 5k in so I still have a ways to go😅

[hazy iron]

Surely sims on the inscription trinket are broken

anyone done some dummy tests or logs?

[modest jasper]

The Highborne Compendium?

[solid nova]

#tc-research Trinkets effect is significantly reduced if more than 1 person has it

[modest jasper]

Ye, that.

It sims correctly though.

[solid nova]

Yeah

[modest jasper]

It's just bugged ingame.

[solid nova]

Just multiple people having it fucks it

It'll be fixed/likely nerfed in the process

[modest jasper]

Not even sure if they'll nerf it.

[solid nova]

100% they will

[modest jasper]

Historically craftable trinkets always were quite good compared to mythic trinkets of tier before.

But ye. Good chance I guess.

[solid nova]

"Quite good" it literally demolishes everything

[modest jasper]

Ye, so did DMD for a lot of tiers.

[solid nova]

Not to that extent

[modest jasper]

True I guess.

[misty tusk]

Fathoms was bis for real long time

[modest jasper]

I mean craftable trinkets being really good is a nice thing, I don't even mind it.

It's just weird when they are better than mythic raid alternatives.

[solid nova]

Well as the interaction with multiple trinkets is broken, if it gets nerfed it'll be when they fix it

[hazy iron]

at 10k i bought one anyways

[solid nova]

As that is definitely something that needs to be fixed

[hazy iron]

but fair enough

[solid nova]

I mean id still buy one if cheap

[modest jasper]

It's at like 30k or something?

No reason to not buy it in all honesty.

[solid nova]

Even at 100k id do it

For that sim value

[modest jasper]

I mean also for the chance that it turns out to still be good

And even if not you can probably resell it for a decentish amount.

[misty tusk]

20-30k on my servers atm

[solid nova]

Yeah id get it

[modest jasper]

Ye for that price definitely.

Like in the very worst case you spent 30k on nothing. Worse things out there.

[solid nova]

Cant guarantee it'll be nerfed when the multi-use gets fixed

30k for a trinket like that?

Bargain

[modest jasper]

Also good chance they only nerf it by like 20-30%

Which would still make it reasonably good.

[solid nova]

Yeah

Definitely

[misty tusk]

Even if it gets nerfed it's likely still gonna be competitive with the avaliable trinks

[hazy iron]

inb4 they skyrocket to 400k after fix and no nerf

[misty tusk]

That's why you buy while prices still are tanked

If it gets good someone will very likely reset the market

Stays good *

[modest jasper]

Well, let's hope it's still at a decent price when I come back home

[hazy iron]

honestly, im thinking of buying a second one and reselling it later

[solid nova]

Its a gamble but if you wont miss the money worth it

[hazy iron]

10k on my server so not too bad of a gamble i suppose

[onyx rock]

Does it sim right ? The ingame Tooltip shows way less dmg than the tooltip in raidbots

[hazy iron]

it apparently sims correctly, but is broken in game if more than one person has it

[onyx rock]

yeah i read this in tc channel

[hazy iron]

i noticed the tooltip disparity too though

honestly just hit a dummy for 2 minutes and compare damage

[onyx rock]

i mean the tooltip is wrong on most stuff... kimbul trinket too

[hearty junco]

can you upgrade the trinket to 415? (inscription)

[twilit portal]

no

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/r4MwMn8rZzqshiEZzHFquL r3 BotE vs r1 Lucid ....

[solid nova]

Why would you assume an AoE Essence will sim well on ST?

[round harbor]

Lol

Also why mfd?

Curious

[solid nova]

MP as well?

[twilit portal]

mhm pvp build, my bad

[modest jasper]

It's already spiking a good chunk on Ravencrest 😄

At 50k already.

Was at 15 6 hours ago

[onyx rock]

Hmm so the Trinket Uptime on a 10 mil taget dummy fight was 87%

it did 900 DPS

seems like the raidbots tooltip is right and the ingame tooltip is wrong

the avarage tick was 1,809 dmg and this is almost the same as in the sim breakdown

[fallow cypress]

!Essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[wooden kiln]

Hi, if we play with Lucid Dreams as essence, is the haste going in lower priority than Critical Stirke and Mastery?

[tame cobalt]

Sim it

[crystal vault]

Is Highborne Compendium of Sundering bugged or is it that good?

[pastel forge]

@crystal vault Mystler said something in #tc-research

[onyx rock]

@crystal vault scroll a bit up i did some testing and it seems like the sims are correct

[crystal vault]

@onyx rock in raid too ?

[onyx rock]

only on dummys

but the hits etc. was like in the sims

[past marten]

apparently it's good in raids, too

[hazy iron]

yeah this is solid. I really hope they just fix it, but a nerf is coming for sure when they do

[past marten]

but only if nobody else wears it? 😄

[onyx rock]

thats i am not sure about

[hazy iron]

my testing was the same smarty, I did about 890ish dps

[crystal vault]

but not working correctly in-game in some way that it its value drops rapidly as soon as more than one person wear it. i'm not familiar with the details of that issue, right now though. from tc-research

[solid nova]

Highborne Compendium of Sundering
-Yes, It sims correctly
-It doesn't however work correctly in-game. Multiple people with the same trinket mean the procs are being spread across those players and drastically reducing its impact.
-The effect is bugged, if/when it's fixed the trinket get's adjusted, we don't know.

[hazy iron]

huge uptime

[hazy iron]

doing gods work, Richard

[solid nova]

Questions will spike as the day goes on, just makin life easier

[onyx rock]

so just dont tell anybody about the trinket in your guild and you are gucci

[solid nova]

I mean historically craftable trinkets have been strong, so an adjustment after the shared use effect (as that 100% is a bug) is

Can see it being nerfed and equally being left a lone

Blizzard stuff

[spice light]

@wooden kiln
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cfSYbGonxeteGBBUphKRAw

[quasi pewter]

do we know anything about crit pot and why it only stacks to 5/10?

[past marten]

based on my current gear (414 + 6 sockets), rank 3 BotE + r2 Lucid outpeform any other Major/Minor combination by 700 dps

[onyx rock]

Offtopic but what is this Font ? @quasi pewter

[solid nova]

Looks like standard elvui fonts

[quasi pewter]

arial narrow

[solid nova]

Ye

[past marten]

If they don't nerf stuff, BotE might actually be our BiS major until we hit Guardian r3

[solid nova]

Have you got the sim for that Fichte?

Surely they must be pretty close together on ST at least

Maybe 2t+ it gets more out scaled

[lean thorn]

I bet this question has been asked a lot, but does raidbot sim the stat weights correctly with the Lucid relic?
Haste went way down and Mastery weight is top-1 for me according to it
Should I reroll full mastery gems/chants or is it not simming it correctly?

[hazy iron]

if you;re anything like me, completely replacing your haste gems / enchants will swap the weights back around, best sim a mixture of both

using gear compare

[spice light]

it makes sense why haste is going down when u use lucid

[past marten]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5FvU3jVKJNyXyYaY9j6HLh

[lean thorn]

Yeah it does. of course, my question is do we know if it's simming correctly, that's all I ask

[past marten]

@solid nova I only simmed BotE 3, Flame 2 and Lucid 2

Because - according to my information - that's the highest you get when the raid hits (probably even for Mythic first week)

[vivid hill]

did you already get lucid rank 2>?

[past marten]

No, but you can manually change it in the SimC input

[vivid hill]

ah thanks

[past marten]

@lean thorn We don't know anything for sure, mate

[quasi pewter]

you can propably get lucid 3 for mythic week

[past marten]

Isn't that 18k bodyguard xp total?

[quasi pewter]

no

6k

[past marten]

Oh

[lean thorn]

wait so it's 3k for 2 then 6k for 3?

[quasi pewter]

yes

[lean thorn]

Seems not like blizzard are used to balancing tiers lol

[quasi pewter]

seems like it

[onyx rock]

i rly hope BotE will not be BiS... i will not farm Bg´s !

i did islands for 18 hours... but no bgs... ever

[quasi pewter]

flame 3 is neck 60 right?

[past marten]

Yes

[quasi pewter]

also doable for mythic week / 2nd week

[lean thorn]

BotE will probably still be BiS for m+, won't it?
Seems just too powerful

feelcrafting over here bois

[onyx rock]

maybe

[quasi pewter]

iris is good aswell according to sims

[past marten]

I hate the idea of channelling though

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cYjrp9AUnL4Gi7BxqMxm9A

[quasi pewter]

yea but its alot of damage

[past marten]

That's the sim with Flame 3, Blood 3 and Lucid 3

[quasi pewter]

yikes

[past marten]

Blood still 350 ahead and neck level 60 is probably a harder grind than Blood

Blood 3 + Lucid 3 even 1k ahead of Lucid 3 + Flame 3 (more if you don't farm until 60 neck)

[onyx rock]

i am actually at 34.631 with flame rank 2 and lucid rank 1

but i cant compare with blood 3

[past marten]

You can

Just have to manually change the SimC input

[onyx rock]

let me see

[past marten]

Blood "code" is 23, Flame is 12 and Lucid is 27

[onyx rock]

ty

its simming

[dark crag]

How will a casual ever reach blood 3, i thought wow is made for casuals

[royal lantern]

the same way a casual gets most stuff done

they dont

[past marten]

"the casual" is just the boogeyman that salty players use to complain about stuff

[quasi pewter]

atleast its not locked behind rating

imagine that lmao

[royal lantern]

and blood rank 3 is really not THAT extrem if you think about it

yes, we rush it, but if you do 1-2 bg's every day you have it in 2-3 months too

[past marten]

if you just play for a win per BG (and you don't do ranked) with a 50% win chance, you get like 1.7k honor a day (more or less)

[royal lantern]

yeh, first win of the day is insane

[past marten]

that's a month of farming, if you start on day one and do it all day everyday you have it by mythic week two, three the latest

@onyx rock So what did your sim tell you?

[onyx rock]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jJynjx4WjCvcW8K4aJd1B1

[atomic hamlet]

why you sim with rank3 essences ?

[past marten]

To see what is BiS for the raid

Taking the leap that the balance changes won't affect results too much :^)

[onyx rock]

lucid/flame is actually super close

0,4%

[dark crag]

Good that flame is a solid choice

[past marten]

Flame 60 is going to be a tight call though

*3

[onyx rock]

whats the code for the guardian essence ?

[solid nova]

@past marten Ah okay mate

Was just curious

[past marten]

Guardian is 14

Do we have intel on the drop rate for the Guardian Essence?

And drop amount

Obviously

[onyx rock]

Guardian Rank 2 would be Heroic yeah ?

[narrow orchid]

Is there a way to track how much honor i have towards Blood?

[solid nova]

Yeah theres an achievment

[past marten]

It's called Battlefield Tactician

[narrow orchid]

Ty

[past marten]

@onyx rock It does not seem to be connected to difficulty

[onyx rock]

oh ok

so... guardian rank 2 is simming like shit

[past marten]

It's about the Aqueous Reliquary that drops (3 bosses drop it)

Will have to see if Heroic drops more or if both Normal and Heroic give you 3 per reset

[rigid mango]

I'd hope hc drops more and mythic there aftee

[onyx rock]

1k lower than in the sim i posted before

[past marten]

I simmed Guardian 3

tops out BotE 3 + Lucid 3 by 350

[onyx rock]

yeah i just wanted to be more realistic with it

for the first weeks i mean

[past marten]

Yeah, let's hope the sim is wrong for that one

[onyx rock]

yeah

[past marten]

Because Rank 2 is so bad, it's not even an option

But it's aligned with the Herodmg results

[rigid mango]

Aint it just going to be flame + lucid

[past marten]

It will be Blood + Lucid

[rigid mango]

Hm

[past marten]

Only if you get Flame to 3 (neck to 60) is it somewhat close

Flame 3 + Lucid is 350 dps worse than Blood 3 + Lucid

[rigid mango]

Yeah well I assumed both at r3

It might come down to what you're wearing?

[past marten]

Probably, I don't know about scaling

[rigid mango]

Flame lucid simmed higher than blood lucid when eleem was doing his sims

So seems that it's about what you're wearing

[past marten]

It is probably also about the fight

Some fights might favor flame, because of the 40yd range

Some might favour Blood, because of the "burst on demand"

[rigid mango]

I've not seen cleave sims w blood

Because it might be better just thanks to that

[past marten]

Flame has 0 cleave, doesn't it?

[rigid mango]

But idk

Think so

[past marten]

Parsing with "Cleave Add" (add up for 40% of the fight), you end up with a 1k difference between Flame and Blood

[rigid mango]

I mean also r3 life will take 54 reliqueries

So I think that has to mean it drops more on higher

[past marten]

Maybe 1 in Normal, 2 in Heroic and 3 in Mythic

[rigid mango]

Because the time frames on the other essences aren't that fuckdd

[past marten]

That's would I would do

*what

[rigid mango]

That's what I'm assuming it is

/hoping

[past marten]

Most won't get it before week 4, I'd assume

[rigid mango]

Seems about reasonsble

I believe lucid r3 is about 3 weeks

Iirc

Sounds like the same ballpark

[past marten]

300xp per day (if you do the bare minimum) = 20 days

[rigid mango]

Yah

[past marten]

So even if you slack hard on that, you will get it exactly before Mythic drops

[rigid mango]

Ofc w out any rng'd items rhat is

[past marten]

wtb Titanforged Bodyguard XP

How much AP did you need for 60 from 50?

550k?

[rigid mango]

Uhh I can't remember

[solid nova]

To 60? Way more than that

It's 450k to 55 from 50

[modest jasper]

Uff.

[quasi pewter]

what

[modest jasper]

Where do people get all that AP?

[quasi pewter]

no

its around 150 k to 55

[modest jasper]

Weren't people 58 already?

[rigid mango]

Mythic islands

My dude

[quasi pewter]

500k seems about right to 60

[modest jasper]

Did they increase the gain?

[rigid mango]

Not afaik

Guildy done 190 islands since 8.2

[mental obsidian]

300xp per day (if you do the bare minimum) = 20 days, what else can u do tho? @past marten

[modest jasper]

Oh. Damn.

[rigid mango]

[modest jasper]

190

[rigid mango]

He's top 20 world I think tho

[modest jasper]

I am proud if I complete my weekly 3.

[mental obsidian]

🤔

[rigid mango]

There rares n shite iirc

[runic kernel]

At about 380 ilvl what mythic + level should I try for this week? Im not big into affixes

[rigid mango]

#wow-general

[runic kernel]

Trying to get answer :/

[solar rose]

There’s 4 tree rares that have a chance to drop an item that gives 300 follower exp on a daily lockout. There’s a good post on a wowhead comment section about it, the turnin is ancient reefwalker bark, I’m not at my pc so can’t link

[quasi pewter]

i thought you could only turn it in once per week

daily would be insane

[solar rose]

I’ve been told by several sources it was daily, but have not done it more than one day so idk

I’ll find out when I wake up

https://www.wowhead.com/item=170184/ancient-reefwalker-bark#comments

[quasi pewter]

the spreadsheet for them say you can loot it even after your first kill aswell

[rose violet]

Can’t link btw

[quasi pewter]

killed like 7 yesterday no drop :<

[solar rose]

Ya that was very annoying to dig up on my phone

I got it first try

😃

[quasi pewter]

i was in several groups where all 4 people got it but me

[past marten]

I mean: What do you even get after Lucid Dreams 3?

If I can comfortably make it to that before Mythic, I personally don't see a reason to go ham on them

[solar rose]

People like to min max and get things done earlier??

[past marten]

True. Not taking anything away from those people. I just think I get more from min-maxing other stuff than followers 😃

[solar rose]

The amount of time it takes is not that long, so if it takes me 10m to get an item to increase my followers by 300 why wouldn’t I

[past marten]

Well, Saryero apparently killed 4 trees w/o the item, sounds like more than 10m

But no need to discuss that, that's pretty subjective

Let's get back to discussing Sims that will change anyday

[quasi pewter]

im still progressing uunat and i have no life

🔫

[frigid briar]

Isnt lucid dreams only BiS on pure ST?

[rose violet]

It’s mostly the minor that makes it good

[quasi pewter]

the minor is propably gonna be bis for everything

rank 3

and its not like major isnt good for m+

but there might be better options like iris or bote

[south horizon]

is there any reason why im simming a lower ilvl weapon in the MH? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/39ok7appehS1kzDshBxbMR

[frigid briar]

I still have 8k honor to go for blood before wednesday

[south horizon]

surely a 415 MH 400 OH makes sense over 400 MH 415 OH

[quasi pewter]

because you didnt select the 415 in mainhand on sim page?

[south horizon]

i am a potato

[latent tendon]

@quasi pewter can you link said spreadsheet?

[quasi pewter]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/14CuD2OISqXmw70T4MO2qfN0Sjh-wekvWrRNqy0PKdL4/edit

[latent tendon]

Cheers! Is there a general checklist or guide that everyone is following for Nazjatar rep?

[quasi pewter]

mostly just do all quests worldquests and dailies

unless you want to spend multiple hours per day aoe grinding shit there is not much more to do for rep

[ebon granite]

Afternoon 😊 Can i bonus coin Uu'nat on HC difficulty multiple times in the same week??

[quasi pewter]

and well i guess the bark rares would be worth it

doesnt take that long

you can bonus roll as muchas you want yes

[ebon granite]

Thank you Saryero!

[strange python]

can i do a super high key this week (23-24) and then next week get a high key in preparation for the following weeks chest

is that the strat?

[quasi pewter]

yes

[strange python]

cause someone is telling me otherwise but pretty sure he's wrong

ok cool

[quasi pewter]

well i would assume so

why wouldnt you want to have high key in preparation?

[strange python]

dno

i think i explained it badly to him haha

all good though, now he gets it

[rigid mango]

It's -4 iirc from your last week, atleast it was like that in s2

[strange python]

hmm, lucid dream rank 2 is pretty dire

[atomic saddle]

Did anyone watch Bosses and PTR and knows if its worth to farm Blood of the Enemy Rank 3 for raid opening?

[rigid mango]

You've like, asked this question 5 times already

Go for blood or flames

[atomic saddle]

I asked for patchwerk but no one was here yday who could answer it considering boss mechanics

[rigid mango]

The diff wont be huge enough

Pick one, go for it.

[sick pasture]

Are those the benthic boots you want for rogue?

[crisp steppe]

maybe try to get a socket on em

[sick pasture]

Aight, but it is those right?

[royal lantern]

yep

[sick pasture]

Thank you

[past marten]

Did someone do the calculation what the crit dmg increase actually looks like? Sorry if I am beating a dead horse here.

[rigid mango]

It's 3% iirc

[zinc cliff]

!Essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[dusty flume]

@rigid mango @sick pasture Could you sim it ? like dps compare ? (I don't have my rogue high level :/ )

[rigid mango]

Sim what

[dusty flume]

boots

[rigid mango]

They're good

[simple meteor]

are boots better then the crucible ones ?

[dusty flume]

I mean, i want to compare
I've mates to convince that don't believe only by your says but only watching 2 sims 1 with and 1 without to see what you gain

[solid nova]

You can sim items you dont have in raidbots

[full pecan]

Hello, so... you guys, who are using lucid. When you use it? When it works the best in your opinion.

[dusty flume]

Yeah i know but i've not the 120 lvl on mine

[crisp steppe]

im just popping it when im low on energy. like 10sec left on vendetta usually

no idea what the best is

just see how ur energy regen is during vendetta. I haven't been playing NP so maybe its not that big there

you could then use it with toxic blades outside of vendetta

[zinc cliff]

i find it best to use with TB dumps tbh

[strange python]

Hello lf for a german rog player for some questions whisper me pls 😃

[hearty junco]

got a list of benthic gear we should pursue for the raid?

[solid nova]

Boots/Belt

[zinc cliff]

^

belt dmg, boot crits

[hearty junco]

i like this list

i am happy now

[zinc cliff]

crit/haste for BiS

[hearty junco]

got a name for the belt?

[zinc cliff]

boots have haste/mast only

[hearty junco]

ok so it can roll different stats, but dmg/crit is on all boots and waist?

or is that random aswell

[zinc cliff]

nah, random proc

[hearty junco]

so

everything random

[zinc cliff]

https://www.wowhead.com/guides/benthic-gear-effects-nazjatar#benthicarmor-leather

[solid nova]

If its not socketed, keep rolling.

[hearty junco]

was it the 2% increased dmg we want?

[zinc cliff]

ye

[hearty junco]

okok

[hollow kelp]

hi is someone here with clue about weakauras, i need a icon filled with a color of my coice if i have a buff would be nice if someone could help me out im a WA noob

[rigid mango]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[hollow kelp]

i dont need anything to import but thx

[rigid mango]

yeah if it's non assa, go #wow-general

[crystal vault]

400dps from haste sockets to mastery

[devout scaffold]

switched from haste to mastery and gained 400 dps?

what are your stats like?

[crystal vault]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/t8fjinYtXU6avCy3cDsWfg

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9K3zuQudMWNhccaFquDTs2

[hollow kelp]

dont forget the weapon enchant

the gain is not only from stat change

and u need to change lvl 30 talent xD

[past marten]

Is this a joke I don't understand?

[vagrant wigeon]

does the rogue assa still good in raid ,

[solid nova]

Yes

[past marten]

Still looking like a safe bet for melee slots

[rigid mango]

@hollow kelp swap lvl 30 trait? why?

[hollow kelp]

if u check the top logs u see that noone play it cause subterfuge is better

[past marten]

obviously depends on the fight

[solid nova]

Erm, not sure about that one chief

[past marten]

but for patchwerk, MA is way better rn

[solid nova]

^

[rigid mango]

Check top mekka/stormwall/jaina

and or any boss dmg lolg

To see you're very wrong

[past marten]

I don't understand why people come in a class discord to convince mains about stuff like that

[rigid mango]

🤷

[crystal vault]

preach us

[lone junco]

but top logs. butt butt.

[rose hill]

Context is everything too.

[lone junco]

the double garrote open is all.

if you can garrote 2, subterfuge is nice.

a s w e k n o w.

[strange python]

arent the benthic boots only good if you are alliance?

[woven summit]

So different essenses has different stat weights

[teal frigate]

hi , how to macro crucible of flame cast?

[past marten]

well, if an energy gives you more energy then haste gets devalued

[pliant apex]

hey guys totally new player to assasi and rogue, where should i start to learn

[past marten]

on the top

there is a link after SIN GUIDE HERE

start there

[lone junco]

makes for a nice vanish though.

[past marten]

Looks nasty

[lone junco]

@crisp shard nice work. If this is you.

[woven summit]

@past marten Yeah only with lucid i need mastery

rest of the essenses are haste i guess

simmed some other it was haste

[lone junco]

and so sayeth thy vanish

YEEEEEEEEE

[past marten]

Most likely, essences give either Crit/Haste procs or Energy refund

[lone junco]

Love 3ss logs. RIP

[past marten]

Mastery seems to be a great stat for the new raid, it wasn't so far off Haste during 8.1 either

3 Garrotes, 3 Shrouded and BotE

sounds hella spicy

[lone junco]

What is the use time of BOTE?

8sec?

[vapid scarab]

10s of crit 5s of crit dmg

[echo jay]

Anyone help with a raidbots sim? I don’t understand why I’m simming so low compared to others at the same ilvl

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cqzn1u1XWbyA9Cv3B5Ve8V

[lone junco]

will line up well with a /use trinket vendetta vanish gg exang.

[vapid scarab]

That’s the old version

[solid nova]

@echo jay No essence in sim,

[lone junco]

same diff.

if it is 10s you can squish a 3ss exang into it.

will make for a major peak.

[vapid scarab]

Like I already said

10s of crit 5s of crit dmg

[past marten]

IIRC there was some slight snapshotting involved with Exsang

How did that work again?

[lone junco]

right. 2min. align with vendetta vanish gg trinket exang BOTE.

Its a haste thing.

[keen laurel]

@echo jay kinda odd you sim that low https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qLwNNhEFY1LZYYz3Eo3hQB

my 401 rogue

:x

[rigid mango]

No essence

[solid nova]

As said

[lone junco]

some good value of exang is to squish a huge dps cd across the full duration of a short buff.

[solid nova]

No essence

[rigid mango]

vs lucid

like

[past marten]

No essence no win

[rigid mango]

idk how this is weird

[echo jay]

I guess it doesn’t pick up essence from armory. I’m on phone so don’t have simc input

[lone junco]

@past marten exang takes your momentary haste a the time of click, and calcs your tick rate. then doubles it. So haste is snapshot.

[rigid mango]

There's ya issue

That's why GCB is so good for exsang

[lone junco]

Ish.

[past marten]

I hate that trinket

Made me hate my tanks

:^)

[lone junco]

funny thing about exang, haste didnt really pump more peak dps. it is an energy trickle.

RIP BOTA

my bae.

hi @solid nova

[solid nova]

[vapid scarab]

@lone junco the problem is r2 BotE reduces the CD by 25%

so it stops lining up well

[lone junco]

1.5 is exang on cd.

right

?

[rigid mango]

ye

Exsang aligns with bote

[lone junco]

vendet vanish desync is sad

oh well.

[vapid scarab]

exsang doesn't

exsang is 45s, 1:30

BotE is 1:45

[lone junco]

which you would then hold again until 215

barf

[crisp steppe]

Vanish is 2

[lone junco]

I think the lucid DD spam is more likely the win.

[rigid mango]

for sure

[lone junco]

yeah. but you dont vanish exang until 0:18

so 2:18

[vapid scarab]

if r2 BotE actually did something useful

[lone junco]

too much delay.

[vapid scarab]

it would be sweet

lucid is so boring

BotE is kinda cool at least

[lone junco]

boring deeps is still deeps

[vapid scarab]

ofc

[strange python]

is that new inscription trinket good? its only 20k in the auction house

[lone junco]

how much cdr hits vendetta with that major?

[rigid mango]

[lone junco]

will it ever make it to 1.5m?

[vapid scarab]

I think it goes to 1:45

[lone junco]

probably not enough to be useful, and just enough to fuck up your vanish

[vapid scarab]

idr

[strange python]

oh lol ty i havent noticed a new pin in weeks and was desensitized from looking up there

[woven summit]

So now we need two type of gears. One with haste for mythic keys, one with mastery for raiding, two type of weapons with two type of enchants

because of different essenses

[spice surge]

Its 15.6% reduction,

[vapid scarab]

@woven summit haste has super low value in m+ wdym

[spice surge]

So its 100s instead of 120

[pseudo tree]

!Essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[woven summit]

@vapid scarab What stat is the best for m+?

[vapid scarab]

crit iirc

[lone junco]

is greyhound smoking the good stuff? or did I miss a change to blindside and vr

[woven summit]

interesting

thanks

[rigid mango]

That'¨s very inaccurate

and @woven summit it's crit -> master/vers depending on traits

normally aim fo rabout 35-40 % crit

[lone junco]

Ive always watched Blindside waiting for it to be tuned. Same with VR.

[crisp steppe]

Blindside

[strange python]

Sub Opt red punchcard + 284 crit 94 haste yellow better for single target or multi?

[lone junco]

Blindside should be MUT. 2h 2/4cps.

[rigid mango]

Like, they're just both bad :/

[lone junco]

not a 1/2 cp garbage

[rigid mango]

It's sad

[woven summit]

@rigid mango Cool, will change my enchants and sockets with crit for keys

[lone junco]

blindside proc on mut would apply DD>

blindside proc on mut would land in TB

it is not mut and is not good. and that is lame.

I do like the DS run in M+ with lucid

[rigid mango]

It looks cool

[lone junco]

so much e. big foks. big Envs.

[rigid mango]

3ttk ds lucid

[lone junco]

yeah.

[rigid mango]

Should be more value damage too

[lone junco]

I was really hoping for bracer equiv

[strange python]

Is EP better than MP atm?

[rigid mango]

yes

[lone junco]

yes

[rigid mango]

Half of this is in the guide/simmable

you don't swap anything apart from MA/Sub atm

Which is quite boring

[strange python]

wouldnt EP/MA/Exsan be really good

[lone junco]

it was.

not any more

DD is too strong.

[rigid mango]

no

sub

[strange python]

when did they nerf it

[lone junco]

nothing was nerfed. new traits kick exang out.

[rigid mango]

DD with Tb is just so much better

exsang doesn't scale well either

tb scales really well

[lone junco]

right. exang is just more energy and tick rates right now.

[rigid mango]

And Eb kicks exsang out of m+ sorta

[lone junco]

no time for bleeds. gotta fok

[rigid mango]

Building any haste

🤢

Yoiu don't stack SS anymore iether so

[past marten]

If they buff Blindside/make it viable

tears of joy, I am telling you

won't happen though

[lone junco]

I feel that melee is too big a component. the EP gain is high.

[rigid mango]

Ep scales too well too

[lone junco]

but its just numbers. they can do whatever they like.

[rigid mango]

I don't see blindside being better unless huge buff or 9.0 changes

tbh

[strange python]

just got this, https://gyazo.com/8963579f92dea38b41e40bf5e2c3342d
should i swap it from this: https://gyazo.com/6867019d3d814b6f1f031c30506d23b5

[past marten]

Yeah, uptime on EP is like 60%+ at least

[rigid mango]

[past marten]

And uptime during burst is high

[woven summit]

I wish i didn't disencahnted all that gear, now I need to change enchants and gems everytime i switch between raids and keys lol

[past marten]

So it's like 8% dmg extra

[lone junco]

@strange python crit for M+ haste for raid.

[strange python]

@lone junco ok thanks

[woven summit]

or mastery for raid if you lucid I guess

[strange python]

damn blood of the enemy and flame sim super close

[past marten]

True. But I think more players will have Blood 3 before they get Flame 3

Not sure how many players will be at neck 60 when Mythic drops

[woven summit]

So you go crit for m+ even with blood of the enemy?

[rigid mango]

Probably

[woven summit]

nice thanks will run one 10 now to test it out

[rigid mango]

It's a CD, you still need crit everywhere else

[strange python]

im 54 1/2 just sweeping the ap world quests each day super super casual

[lone junco]

saw seli at 67% crit yesterday. made me lol.

[woven summit]

true

[rigid mango]

67%

Seli being seli I suppose

[woven summit]

However, I noticed that even though lucid is a CD you still don't need haste for single target raiding

[lone junco]

thats runing lucid. with trinkets and ench rolling.

[rigid mango]

It's the lucid major devaluing haste

[woven summit]

oh yeah the minor as well

[rigid mango]

as soon as we swap it out, haste will be back on the table

not the minor

as much

[lean thorn]

Checked the pins, thanks

[rigid mango]

[strange python]

so if i go like flame/bote major and lucid minor i should still lean towards haste?

[rigid mango]

Yes

Haste is still good with lucid minor only

[strange python]

So Lucid wouldn't be that good for raiding since ur stacking haste already?

@lean thorn its on bloodmallet

[rigid mango]

What?

Lucid will ofc be broken

But the major is meh

it's the minor we're after

[strange python]

that's what I mean

[woven summit]

So you say that we will all switch to Life Force and then haste will be back as prio stat for raiding?

[rigid mango]

hm?

It's not thanks to haste

that the major is bad

[strange python]

wouldn't it be better to go another major like blood and lucid minor?

[rigid mango]

it's just not as good

yes

It's what everyone's intending on doing

[woven summit]

You guys talking about keys?

[strange python]

Haste will probably drop on value once we get lucid ad minor

[lone junco]

LOLOL

Blindside is a fun talent, but not very good for performance. This talent competes with Mutilate and does not synergize with Azerite traits that would be used.

DESERVING OF A CHECKMARK I DO SAY

[rigid mango]

indeed.

iv sucks ass

[rigid mango]

not a rogue main iirc

[leaden garden]

Is the benethic belt we want the one with phys dmg and threat?

[rigid mango]

No, the one with abberation dmg

for 2 bosses in EP

[leaden garden]

Aha. Ty!

[strange python]

Its raid only belt tho

[rigid mango]

Pretty much

but also WM/UR have abberations so

[strange python]

True

Im gonna hold with it tho

[jolly spoke]

so to get Socketed Beth gear we just keep buying the 5 orb buys?

[strange python]

Till raid release

Pretty much, its rng

[jolly spoke]

oii thats fun haha

[strange python]

Idk about stats on this gear

I rolled once and got socketed crit haste belt

No idea if u can roll other stats

[woven summit]

So what will the ideal essense composition look like for raiding? Life-Force major > Lucid minor?

[strange python]

Lvl3 life force Major

Lucid minor

Untill u have Lvl3 life force

Use lucid as major

[rigid mango]

nah

blood/flame is better

[strange python]

Sims say lucid

[woven summit]

you think? What about lucid as major with mastery as prio?

[strange python]

So im trusting it

[woven summit]

Yeah sims say lucid

[rigid mango]

which sims

[woven summit]

bloodmallet

[strange python]

Hero damage

Both

[rigid mango]

ah the ones where majors have theirminors in them?

ah

[strange python]

Yes

[solid nova]

Is bloodmallet taking into account minors now?

I didnt think it was before

[strange python]

Idk about bloodnallet

I mostly checked herodamage

[rigid mango]

we want lucid for the minor

not the major

[strange python]

Yes