#assassination | Ravenholdt | Page 3368

grave elk Jun 28, 2019, 3:36 AM

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its like i was blessed to be bad m+ sin

strange python Jun 28, 2019, 3:37 AM

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Outlul then

tidal sedge Jun 28, 2019, 3:41 AM

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!essence

prisma monolithBOT Jun 28, 2019, 3:41 AM

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Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

grave elk Jun 28, 2019, 3:42 AM

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im assuming all the benthic gear should just be rerolled until i get sockets?

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i have the MS pants with gem

jaunty comet Jun 28, 2019, 3:43 AM

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So I am simming the Benthic pants vs my LFR version of the CoS pants and they get beat by a couple. The sims have been handling the pants correctly, right?

meager nebula Jun 28, 2019, 3:47 AM

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some of the benthic gear pieces are quite good

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but yes the pants do sim correctly

opal meadow Jun 28, 2019, 3:55 AM

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so benthic gear can roll sockets?

cobalt pelican Jun 28, 2019, 3:55 AM

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yes

opal minnow Jun 28, 2019, 3:56 AM

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is that what everyone is spending manapearls on?

vast monolith Jun 28, 2019, 3:58 AM

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So in the moment we using lucid dreams ?

opal meadow Jun 28, 2019, 3:59 AM

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whats the opening rotation with master assassin?

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andyeah im using lucid dreams

cobalt pelican Jun 28, 2019, 3:59 AM

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the full opener is in the guide, lucid, and basically benthic r erolls for pearls

opal meadow Jun 28, 2019, 4:03 AM

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Feels weird to waste the crit on garrote

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or does it still crit

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i guess garrote does crit

devout temple Jun 28, 2019, 4:12 AM

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Is blood bad?

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I've been doing bg's 3 days straight still dont have rank 1. all losses.

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wow pvp i touched like 10 years ago and its shit and still is shit

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I think im just gonna wait for 9.0 or 8.3

opal meadow Jun 28, 2019, 4:19 AM

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I feel like a wet noodle as an assassination rogue in pvp

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everyone has a ton of heals or CDs and i feel like i dont have enough dps?

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maybe i'm just bad though, i dont have a lot of pvp experience

bright axle Jun 28, 2019, 4:27 AM

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You shouldn’t have issues killing anything as an assass in a pvp environment it’s definitely your gameplay

opal meadow Jun 28, 2019, 4:30 AM

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mostly i have trouble with mages, hunters, and DKs

limber dew Jun 28, 2019, 4:34 AM

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anyone have any insight into the mechagon trinket 3 slow, customizable and its potential potency?

jaunty comet Jun 28, 2019, 4:38 AM

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So we're leaning to Lucid now for the Major slot?

opal meadow Jun 28, 2019, 4:39 AM

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yeah

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vision of perfecion looks neat though

jaunty comet Jun 28, 2019, 4:41 AM

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Will give it a whirl and see how it feels

grim canopy Jun 28, 2019, 4:42 AM

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do rated battelgrounds count for the blood essence

lusty narwhal Jun 28, 2019, 4:58 AM

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Dont see why they wouldnt

stable plinth Jun 28, 2019, 5:09 AM

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they do not

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specifically says battlegrounds, pvp islands and epic BGs

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rated BGs are for the other essence

grim canopy Jun 28, 2019, 5:27 AM

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fuck

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Rbg would be so much better these pugs oh man

nimble tartan Jun 28, 2019, 5:37 AM

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lucid feels bad on some farm fights in bod

grim canopy Jun 28, 2019, 5:49 AM

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what u mean bad

opal meadow Jun 28, 2019, 5:49 AM

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it feels bad in mekka

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pop lucid get: (1) shrunk, (2) bomb, (3) teleports away

grim canopy Jun 28, 2019, 5:50 AM

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rofl

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i can't wait to unlock 55slot

hearty junco Jun 28, 2019, 6:24 AM

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So what is the best thing to spend manapearls on, i see people keep mentioning legs?

bronze kelp Jun 28, 2019, 6:39 AM

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depends on what u want 😉

hearty junco Jun 28, 2019, 6:46 AM

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dmg

prisma monolithBOT Jun 28, 2019, 6:47 AM

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Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

tame cobalt Jun 28, 2019, 6:47 AM

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!essence

stark oxide Jun 28, 2019, 7:10 AM

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How should I gem if I'm still in the gearing process and want to be semiviable for both m+ and raid?

lament dove Jun 28, 2019, 7:13 AM

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1 "wrong" gem means like 20-30 dps loss at most so you'll be viable no matter how you gem imho

stark oxide Jun 28, 2019, 7:15 AM

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well realy I'm talking 4 gems, 2 ring enchants, and my weapon enchant (assuming we only run one force multi, and the other an old enchant)

bronze kelp Jun 28, 2019, 7:38 AM

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hm... as m+ and raid require different stats, you could aim for an inbetween gear

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but as u need much haste in ST environment and much crit/mastery but nearly no haste on m+, its difficult to do that

rustic onyx Jun 28, 2019, 7:41 AM

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with lucid you could go ham on mastery which is good for both but i assume you don't have it since youre gearing

fallow otter Jun 28, 2019, 7:41 AM

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unless you are pushing the envelope just pick raid or m+ to focus on and the other will be good enough

neat estuary Jun 28, 2019, 7:51 AM

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Depending on the week, Dungeon and group composition your role and therefore itemization Changes aswell

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You can be the st guy in nasty tyrannical weeks If your grp picks up the slack

austere ruin Jun 28, 2019, 7:53 AM

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any good Benthic gear?

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worth useing manapearl, even my gear is 418

strange python Jun 28, 2019, 7:54 AM

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How high does Benthic azerite go, to 430?

neat estuary Jun 28, 2019, 7:55 AM

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425 atm i think

austere ruin Jun 28, 2019, 7:56 AM

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425

upbeat geode Jun 28, 2019, 8:02 AM

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the essences page is currently telling me to use Lucid in both minor and major slot, is that even possible?

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nevermind i didnt read "if you do not have a minor-only slot unlocked yet"

jade minnow Jun 28, 2019, 8:11 AM

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do you think that alchemy trinket is worth getting on rogue over other flat agility trinkets?

high ruin Jun 28, 2019, 8:20 AM

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blood no longer a top tier essence?

opal meadow Jun 28, 2019, 8:21 AM

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lucid feels so good to use idk which is top though

high ruin Jun 28, 2019, 8:21 AM

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https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/essences/1t-t23-assassination

Hero Damage

Class theorycrafting community, latest simulation results and resources -based on SimulationCraft- for World of Warcraft.

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interesting

opal meadow Jun 28, 2019, 8:21 AM

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lucid is adrenaline rush for us

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i dont get why lucid tier 2 and tier 3 have a difference in dps though

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sims might be broken still

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unless i don't understand how leech works

opal minnow Jun 28, 2019, 8:23 AM

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There will be constant tweaks to the apls associated with each essence over the next few weeks. that was just the initial build from herodamage. essence sims will vary a lot in the coming weeks.

austere ruin Jun 28, 2019, 8:24 AM

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which potion u guys think its good?

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Potion of Unbridled Fury or Superior Battle Potion of agility

opal meadow Jun 28, 2019, 8:26 AM

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focused resolve was doing insane damage for me on ST testing

austere ruin Jun 28, 2019, 8:27 AM

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r u talking about potion @ Beverice?

opal meadow Jun 28, 2019, 8:27 AM

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yes

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20% crit chance for 20 seconds

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and then 4% crit chance for the rest of the fight assuming you don't hit anything else

austere ruin Jun 28, 2019, 8:29 AM

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sad thing is, no focused potion on my server lol

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none on AH

opal meadow Jun 28, 2019, 8:30 AM

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get your guildie to make you some

austere ruin Jun 28, 2019, 8:31 AM

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yeh

opal minnow Jun 28, 2019, 8:32 AM

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you can sim yourself with different pots in raidbots. for me on an MA build for patchwerk, focused resolve was best.

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 8:32 AM

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@opal meadow Lucid rank 3 gives you a vers proc when you proc the energy refund

opal meadow Jun 28, 2019, 8:32 AM

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isn't that for minor

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 8:32 AM

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and the uptime of that buff is like 30 ish %

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yea but the major is both major + minor

opal meadow Jun 28, 2019, 8:32 AM

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oh what

austere ruin Jun 28, 2019, 8:33 AM

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thx guys

opal meadow Jun 28, 2019, 8:33 AM

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???? i had no idea lol

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 8:33 AM

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monkaS

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I've come to the conclusion that i dont like SotS trinket

opal meadow Jun 28, 2019, 8:35 AM

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its nice in raid bad in everything else

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 8:35 AM

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Its just annoying to use

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gotta have it on its own keybind cus you cant really macro it to a CD

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So it takes up a bind spot, ugh

opal meadow Jun 28, 2019, 8:36 AM

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why not?

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I macro it to vendetta

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unless we're talking about different trinkets

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 8:36 AM

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I dont wanna accidently place it and have to move

opal meadow Jun 28, 2019, 8:36 AM

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wait

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shrine of the storm my bad we are talking about different trinkets yeah i hate that trinket

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 8:37 AM

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I am talking about the circle

neat estuary Jun 28, 2019, 8:37 AM

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That one sucks

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 8:37 AM

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I hate it tbh

wise whale Jun 28, 2019, 8:37 AM

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is it feasable to get full benthic 415 befor season 3? I havnt played for a year and want to prepae for m+ and raids

opal meadow Jun 28, 2019, 8:37 AM

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yep i hate it too

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 8:37 AM

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makes me enjoy raiding less

opal meadow Jun 28, 2019, 8:38 AM

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just dont use it

opal minnow Jun 28, 2019, 8:38 AM

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you can try to farm the plumage from kr to replace it, its not too far off from galecaller's

opal meadow Jun 28, 2019, 8:38 AM

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i farmed CoS for the trinket to replace galecallers

neat estuary Jun 28, 2019, 8:38 AM

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@wise whale benthic is the catchup mechanic yea

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 8:38 AM

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yea i was thinking about CoS too

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but i cant spend any coins atm

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so rip

wise whale Jun 28, 2019, 8:38 AM

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yes i know but will i get enough pearls in 3 weeks?

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 8:38 AM

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yea

opal meadow Jun 28, 2019, 8:38 AM

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you get like 20 a day

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or more if you kill rares

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 8:38 AM

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i have gotten like over a 100 since patch launched

neat estuary Jun 28, 2019, 8:38 AM

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Around 420ilvl should be fine for s3 release

wise whale Jun 28, 2019, 8:39 AM

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i am 380

opal meadow Jun 28, 2019, 8:39 AM

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420?

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 8:39 AM

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its 425

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right

opal meadow Jun 28, 2019, 8:39 AM

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around 400 will be fine for s3 at least for normal/heroic

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 8:39 AM

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and 430 when raid is released

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best part about benthic is that you can send it to alts

neat estuary Jun 28, 2019, 8:39 AM

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Even 400 is fine okay TIL

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 8:40 AM

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so with little cost you can deck out a completely fresh alt in 380 gear

opal meadow Jun 28, 2019, 8:40 AM

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mythic bod is 415

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there's no way you need 420 for 8.2

neat estuary Jun 28, 2019, 8:40 AM

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You are right

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 8:40 AM

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you will need 415 ish for heroic azshara

wise whale Jun 28, 2019, 8:40 AM

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I just want to be high enough to get in mythic+, my guild will take me for raid anyway

neat estuary Jun 28, 2019, 8:40 AM

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Overestimated 420 since i aim for that

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 8:41 AM

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I'm 415 atm, but ilvl is lower due to rings not following ilvl rules

opal meadow Jun 28, 2019, 8:41 AM

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yeah i'll be aiming for 420 too but ive been running mythic bod and m+ all season

neat estuary Jun 28, 2019, 8:41 AM

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418 here

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 8:41 AM

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I'm just going to farm the boots/bracers

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pray for sockets

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and boost em to 425

opal meadow Jun 28, 2019, 8:42 AM

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boots are leatherworking though arent they

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 8:42 AM

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Truuu

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so maybe bracers only

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i think those are the ones with good procs

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maybe the belt too, 2% more dmg to aberrations

opal meadow Jun 28, 2019, 8:42 AM

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belt has a aoe damage proc

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might be intereesting

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 8:43 AM

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alliance or?

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the items are follower based, so we dont have the same items on alliance vs horde

austere ruin Jun 28, 2019, 8:43 AM

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@opal meadow, for cleave fights, which potion would you start with, if u go SS trait?

neat estuary Jun 28, 2019, 8:44 AM

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agility

austere ruin Jun 28, 2019, 8:44 AM

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u mean the 1215 agility one

wise whale Jun 28, 2019, 8:44 AM

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I have 13 days till release at 20 pears/day that would be 260 pearls, but i would need 450 for full 415 benthic

austere ruin Jun 28, 2019, 8:44 AM

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got it

neat estuary Jun 28, 2019, 8:44 AM

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at the end of the day you are still an assa rogue even in cleave fights

wise whale Jun 28, 2019, 8:44 AM

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I already have 1 piece upgraded so 400

neat estuary Jun 28, 2019, 8:44 AM

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so you gonna use that vendetta

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and want to pump into that TB

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correct me if i'm wrong ^^

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 8:46 AM

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cleave as in 3 targets ish

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or what

opal meadow Jun 28, 2019, 8:46 AM

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most of the time if there are 3 targets to cleave i just single target

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 8:46 AM

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yea

opal meadow Jun 28, 2019, 8:46 AM

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idk if that's right

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 8:46 AM

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keep dots on others

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and st

neat estuary Jun 28, 2019, 8:47 AM

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yep

opal meadow Jun 28, 2019, 8:47 AM

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i dont even dot the others

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im bad

neat estuary Jun 28, 2019, 8:47 AM

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you should

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 8:47 AM

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dotting the other targets is a dps gain for ST

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more energy

neat estuary Jun 28, 2019, 8:47 AM

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^

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depends on how close they are to each other ofc

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not worth to walk 15s across the room

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to dot a 2nd target ^^

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 8:48 AM

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depnds on how long its gonna live tbh

neat estuary Jun 28, 2019, 8:48 AM

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but you wouldnt realy call it cleave then i guess

opal meadow Jun 28, 2019, 8:48 AM

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so on rastakan which has 3 unit cleave i just singletarget every time i try to cleave i end up doing less dps

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im probably playing wrong

neat estuary Jun 28, 2019, 8:48 AM

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tbf rastakan is pretty chaotic depending on your guild

opal meadow Jun 28, 2019, 8:49 AM

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but when i single target i get like 40k dps

neat estuary Jun 28, 2019, 8:49 AM

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i try to 3x ss open + rupture on the big one

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then CDs on big one

opal meadow Jun 28, 2019, 8:49 AM

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oh

neat estuary Jun 28, 2019, 8:49 AM

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and vanish 3x ss after opener

opal meadow Jun 28, 2019, 8:49 AM

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well if you're running SS it's different for sure

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 8:49 AM

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SS is the pad build for rastakhan 4Head

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you could just do ruptures on 3 targets

neat estuary Jun 28, 2019, 8:49 AM

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i like ss so much more even on pure st

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it just feels better :/

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 8:50 AM

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Hmm

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I think MA is cool

neat estuary Jun 28, 2019, 8:50 AM

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the dps window is just longer

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its not that punishing if you have to play a mechanic inbetween

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espacially jaina

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 8:50 AM

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you actually gain ur full CPs quicker with MA, pretty sure

neat estuary Jun 28, 2019, 8:51 AM

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you open and eat that first avalanche, no biggie, come back, vanish, double garrote and keep on going

opal meadow Jun 28, 2019, 8:51 AM

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yeah i run MA the opener is nice

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mutliate usually 3-4 CPs

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then envenom crits too

neat estuary Jun 28, 2019, 8:51 AM

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i raid with 2 other rogues, both playing MA, me subterfuge, they usualy start off doing more dps but i catch up and get ahead like 30s into the fight

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 8:51 AM

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monkaHmm

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dunno if thats on them

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also having 3 rogues monkaS

opal meadow Jun 28, 2019, 8:52 AM

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how much dps are you in 30s into the fight?

neat estuary Jun 28, 2019, 8:52 AM

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let me check

tame cobalt Jun 28, 2019, 8:53 AM

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What pieces should i go for in benthic gear?

neat estuary Jun 28, 2019, 8:53 AM

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40k+

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 8:53 AM

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with lucid the assa opener feels gud

neat estuary Jun 28, 2019, 8:53 AM

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that was jaina first kill

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few weeks ago

faint canopy Jun 28, 2019, 8:53 AM

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I know Lucid dream is the essence to go, but i don't understand when to use it, does anyone know where does it fit in the rotation?

neat estuary Jun 28, 2019, 8:53 AM

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dunno if that was a good try or not

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best opener was 65k+ ^^

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 8:53 AM

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I use lucid right after vendetta has dropped

neat estuary Jun 28, 2019, 8:53 AM

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but everything crittet and the stars aligned

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 8:54 AM

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you dont want to overlap lucid and vendetta, its just wasted energy

faint canopy Jun 28, 2019, 8:54 AM

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But my vendetta has Nothing personal so i super overcap energy

worldly iron Jun 28, 2019, 8:54 AM

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once I get energy starved after the first TB I pop lucid

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 8:54 AM

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yes so yo use it after vendetta is over

opal meadow Jun 28, 2019, 8:54 AM

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i use lucid a few seconds after vendetta

rustic onyx Jun 28, 2019, 8:54 AM

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you just use it when you have less than 50 energy

worldly iron Jun 28, 2019, 8:54 AM

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and keep blasting

neat estuary Jun 28, 2019, 8:54 AM

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what vanitaus said

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 8:54 AM

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dont use it during vendetta tho

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its a big dps loss

neat estuary Jun 28, 2019, 8:54 AM

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use it as soon as you get energy starved

opal meadow Jun 28, 2019, 8:54 AM

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vendetta is 40 energy over 20 seconds

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its not a lot

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 8:54 AM

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its still a dps loss

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as per sims

opal meadow Jun 28, 2019, 8:54 AM

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really? thats weird

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 8:54 AM

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1000 dps loss according to those

faint canopy Jun 28, 2019, 8:55 AM

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So

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Vendetta ends and i pop it or

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10 or 5 sec before?

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 8:55 AM

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Just use it right after vendetta is over, you will have like 40 ish energy at that point so ideal time to use it

worldly iron Jun 28, 2019, 8:55 AM

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pop it once you run out of energy after opening

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 8:55 AM

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NotLikeThis

rustic onyx Jun 28, 2019, 8:55 AM

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there is no ideal time to use it like after vendetta

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it's depend on proc

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you just press it when you cannot press another gcd

opal meadow Jun 28, 2019, 8:55 AM

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sims aren't concrete yet?

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 8:56 AM

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i dunno man, i just go by the sims made by eleem yesterday

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which showed a 1000 dps loss to use it during vendetta

solid nova Jun 28, 2019, 8:56 AM

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No they're not concrete yet

rustic onyx Jun 28, 2019, 8:56 AM

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i assume the 1000 dps loss was using it right after you press vendetta

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when you don't lust

opal meadow Jun 28, 2019, 8:56 AM

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ok so vendetta gives 60 energy over 3 seconds so after those 3 seconds you use lucid when you're starved for energy

rustic onyx Jun 28, 2019, 8:56 AM

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you have to press it at like 5 sec of vendetta remaining usually

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for example mekkatorque

austere ruin Jun 28, 2019, 8:57 AM

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yof is right, just use it when ur 50% low on energy after using vendetta

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not hard

rustic onyx Jun 28, 2019, 8:57 AM

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yes i dunno why everyone overcomplicate it

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you cannot press another gcd = lucid

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nothing else matter

austere ruin Jun 28, 2019, 8:57 AM

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do not ever ever use it with vendetta

rustic onyx Jun 28, 2019, 8:57 AM

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vendetta/tb timing don't matter

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 8:57 AM

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Like its just wasted energy

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but you do you i guess

opal meadow Jun 28, 2019, 8:58 AM

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you're gonna energy cap no matter when you use it right?

austere ruin Jun 28, 2019, 8:58 AM

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rogues it's all about manage your energy

neat estuary Jun 28, 2019, 8:58 AM

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@opal meadow yes

rustic onyx Jun 28, 2019, 8:58 AM

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how do you waste energy pressing it when you have >50 energy ?

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i don't understand

austere ruin Jun 28, 2019, 8:58 AM

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lol

neat estuary Jun 28, 2019, 8:58 AM

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thats why you want to use it as you are low on energy

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 8:58 AM

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because you get more energy during vendetta

neat estuary Jun 28, 2019, 8:58 AM

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and cant use something else anyway

austere ruin Jun 28, 2019, 8:58 AM

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vendetta doesn't gives u max energy

neat estuary Jun 28, 2019, 8:58 AM

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that usualy does not happen during vendetta ^^

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 8:58 AM

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it all depends on if you lust on pull too

neat estuary Jun 28, 2019, 8:59 AM

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yes

austere ruin Jun 28, 2019, 8:59 AM

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indeed

rustic onyx Jun 28, 2019, 8:59 AM

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that why you all overcmplicate it

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 8:59 AM

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no one is overcomplicating it

rustic onyx Jun 28, 2019, 8:59 AM

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press it >50 energy

tame cobalt Jun 28, 2019, 8:59 AM

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no you press it <50energy

opal meadow Jun 28, 2019, 8:59 AM

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when do you use lucid with lust?

tame cobalt Jun 28, 2019, 8:59 AM

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not >50

neat estuary Jun 28, 2019, 8:59 AM

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dont use it with lust

rustic onyx Jun 28, 2019, 8:59 AM

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yes that what i meant sorry typo

opal meadow Jun 28, 2019, 8:59 AM

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so after lust

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 8:59 AM

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No

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Like

tame cobalt Jun 28, 2019, 8:59 AM

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u use it when you have less than 50 energy

austere ruin Jun 28, 2019, 8:59 AM

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yes, if u dont need energy, dont press lucid

tame cobalt Jun 28, 2019, 8:59 AM

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nothing else matter

rustic onyx Jun 28, 2019, 8:59 AM

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i mean ppl overcomplicate it saying you shouldn't press it during vendetta or w/e when it's not true if you don't lust at pull

faint canopy Jun 28, 2019, 9:00 AM

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I have unleashed hell upon this chat

neat estuary Jun 28, 2019, 9:00 AM

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😄

rustic onyx Jun 28, 2019, 9:00 AM

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the only rule followed by sim is less than 50 energy press it

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 9:00 AM

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If you use it the first time you go below 50 energy i dunno what to tell you

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if you read the sim it also says that using lucid during vendetta is a 1000 dps loss, but yea sims are not 100% yet sure.

neat estuary Jun 28, 2019, 9:00 AM

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we can go even deeper and consider boss mechanics aswell

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when do you really want to use lucid

tame cobalt Jun 28, 2019, 9:01 AM

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Do you even wanna use it ever?

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you might cap if you need to run away

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Best to save it 🤔

neat estuary Jun 28, 2019, 9:01 AM

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better not use it at all

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😄

austere ruin Jun 28, 2019, 9:01 AM

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lol

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 9:01 AM

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https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5pgq9J2JmjfGfcKzAgcZXS

Raidbots

Advanced Sim - 33,421 DPS - Raidbots

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this is the sim in question

rustic onyx Jun 28, 2019, 9:01 AM

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Assuming lust on pull

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that why it's 1000 dps loss

opal meadow Jun 28, 2019, 9:02 AM

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lucid when under 50 energy means you'd use it during vendetta right

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 9:02 AM

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No

tame cobalt Jun 28, 2019, 9:02 AM

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yes @opal meadow

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 9:02 AM

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What

opal meadow Jun 28, 2019, 9:02 AM

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but you run under 50 energy in vendetta

neat estuary Jun 28, 2019, 9:02 AM

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we went full circle

faint canopy Jun 28, 2019, 9:02 AM

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o no

tame cobalt Jun 28, 2019, 9:03 AM

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not sure what is hard to understand here tho

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you need energy you press it?

neat estuary Jun 28, 2019, 9:03 AM

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yea

opal meadow Jun 28, 2019, 9:03 AM

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makes sense to me

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that's how ive been using it

austere ruin Jun 28, 2019, 9:03 AM

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exactly lol

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use it when u need energy

neat estuary Jun 28, 2019, 9:03 AM

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i guess its pretty clear that you not gonna use it right with your opener

austere ruin Jun 28, 2019, 9:03 AM

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that is it

neat estuary Jun 28, 2019, 9:03 AM

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since you just overcap like a motherfucker

opal meadow Jun 28, 2019, 9:03 AM

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yeah

austere ruin Jun 28, 2019, 9:03 AM

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doesn't need to line up with anything

neat estuary Jun 28, 2019, 9:03 AM

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and it feels wasted

faint canopy Jun 28, 2019, 9:03 AM

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my brain is too small to read the raw input

neat estuary Jun 28, 2019, 9:03 AM

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so after the first few seconds

tame cobalt Jun 28, 2019, 9:03 AM

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Use before opener pepega

neat estuary Jun 28, 2019, 9:04 AM

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you just gonna use it as you see fit

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like yof said its not that complicated

opal meadow Jun 28, 2019, 9:04 AM

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basically during raid this week ive been doing 1. opener. 2. be energy starved. 3. pop lucid. 4. go ham

austere ruin Jun 28, 2019, 9:04 AM

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indeed

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 9:04 AM

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the top sim listed uses it at 49 seconds, assuming lust

rustic onyx Jun 28, 2019, 9:05 AM

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i just gonna say it one last time there is no perfect timing for it it depend on crit on mutilate and proc on minor ....

austere ruin Jun 28, 2019, 9:05 AM

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lol

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 9:05 AM

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if you use lucid together with vendetta and lust cus you're starved for a second you're a pepege

opal meadow Jun 28, 2019, 9:05 AM

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ok this is assuming no lust on pull

rustic onyx Jun 28, 2019, 9:05 AM

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you're never starved for a second with lust and vendetta

opal meadow Jun 28, 2019, 9:05 AM

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^

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 9:06 AM

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You wanna rule all kinds of misunderstandings out

austere ruin Jun 28, 2019, 9:06 AM

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vendetta u will actually

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before the buff runs out

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so like most poeple said, after using vendetta, if u know ur low on energy, just pop lucid

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simple

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then go ham

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pump shit

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 9:07 AM

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There are very few bosses where you dont lust on pull atm

tropic ocean Jun 28, 2019, 9:08 AM

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?

neat estuary Jun 28, 2019, 9:08 AM

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rly?

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i know a lot xD

rustic onyx Jun 28, 2019, 9:08 AM

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xD

tropic ocean Jun 28, 2019, 9:08 AM

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Rastakhan, opulence, jaina, stormwall, mekka

neat estuary Jun 28, 2019, 9:08 AM

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even conclave

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 9:08 AM

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i mean we lust everyone on pull except jaina

tropic ocean Jun 28, 2019, 9:08 AM

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Jadefire, conclave

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War

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Wat

neat estuary Jun 28, 2019, 9:08 AM

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almost every boss in bod

austere ruin Jun 28, 2019, 9:08 AM

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depends on raid

neat estuary Jun 28, 2019, 9:08 AM

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besides grong and champions

worldly iron Jun 28, 2019, 9:08 AM

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floffwhat

tropic ocean Jun 28, 2019, 9:09 AM

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Like theres not much point lusting these bosses on pull

opal meadow Jun 28, 2019, 9:09 AM

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my raid doesn't lust on pull for like any boss

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 9:09 AM

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well if you can kill first boss on conclave within 20 seconds its worth lusting, which is kinda easy

opal meadow Jun 28, 2019, 9:09 AM

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rastakan we lust in the shadow realm

tropic ocean Jun 28, 2019, 9:09 AM

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Same

opal meadow Jun 28, 2019, 9:09 AM

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jadefire we lust after 2nd 7 sided strike

tropic ocean Jun 28, 2019, 9:09 AM

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We already need to stop dps for doors without lust

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😂😂

opal meadow Jun 28, 2019, 9:09 AM

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yeah

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same

neat estuary Jun 28, 2019, 9:10 AM

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same

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 9:10 AM

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i dunno, we just blast every boss from start, except jaina.. for obvious reasons

tropic ocean Jun 28, 2019, 9:10 AM

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For jadefire we used to lust on pull but with current dps theres so much bad overlaps

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So we save it

opal meadow Jun 28, 2019, 9:10 AM

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opulence lust on pull pepega

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 9:10 AM

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oh yea not opulence too

neat estuary Jun 28, 2019, 9:10 AM

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blockade aswell

tropic ocean Jun 28, 2019, 9:10 AM

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And for mekka or blockade not worth a

opal meadow Jun 28, 2019, 9:10 AM

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uhh mekka would be dumb as well

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 9:10 AM

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we lust blockade on pull

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and mekka

opal meadow Jun 28, 2019, 9:11 AM

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mekka you wanna lust after 40%

tropic ocean Jun 28, 2019, 9:11 AM

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For what reason

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😂😂😂

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 9:11 AM

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for no reason

opal meadow Jun 28, 2019, 9:11 AM

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why would you lust on mekka wtf

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 9:11 AM

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to blast dps

neat estuary Jun 28, 2019, 9:11 AM

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if you lust mekka on pull you might get into intermission wihtout bots up xD

tropic ocean Jun 28, 2019, 9:11 AM

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Looooooö

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We dont know why but we do it

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Pog

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 9:11 AM

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shit dies anyway

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so who cares

neat estuary Jun 28, 2019, 9:11 AM

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yea

opal meadow Jun 28, 2019, 9:11 AM

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my guild is pretty uhh something.. so we can't kill mekka

worldly iron Jun 28, 2019, 9:11 AM

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turning into #wow-general

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 9:12 AM

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just slight derailing

opal meadow Jun 28, 2019, 9:12 AM

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we're talking about lust and lucid i think but yeah

tropic ocean Jun 28, 2019, 9:12 AM

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Internet police never sleeps

worldly iron Jun 28, 2019, 9:12 AM

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you were, yes

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thefuzz

tropic ocean Jun 28, 2019, 9:12 AM

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So do you

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Lucid on pull

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🤔😅

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😂😂😂😂

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 9:12 AM

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yikers

austere ruin Jun 28, 2019, 9:13 AM

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lol

neat estuary Jun 28, 2019, 9:13 AM

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lust lucid and vendetta as first 3 gcds yes

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you dont want to starve

opal meadow Jun 28, 2019, 9:13 AM

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you forget thistle tea

tropic ocean Jun 28, 2019, 9:13 AM

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Thats my strat too

tame cobalt Jun 28, 2019, 9:13 AM

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but you go lucid lust into vendeta

opal meadow Jun 28, 2019, 9:13 AM

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you use that after lucid

neat estuary Jun 28, 2019, 9:13 AM

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oh boy

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 9:13 AM

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not starving -> being obese

tame cobalt Jun 28, 2019, 9:13 AM

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and only then pull

faint canopy Jun 28, 2019, 9:13 AM

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Okay i have another question to stirr everyone up, do you use subterfuge or the better simming one, master assassin?

tropic ocean Jun 28, 2019, 9:13 AM

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I also like to have my energy full

neat estuary Jun 28, 2019, 9:13 AM

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subterfuge

opal meadow Jun 28, 2019, 9:14 AM

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i use MA since i dont use SS

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 9:14 AM

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master assassin of course

tropic ocean Jun 28, 2019, 9:14 AM

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Incase i need it for a dangerous scenario

opal meadow Jun 28, 2019, 9:14 AM

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if you use SS you use subterfuge

neat estuary Jun 28, 2019, 9:14 AM

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i could go MA, still sticking to subterfuge 😦

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 9:14 AM

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i prefer MA opener

tame cobalt Jun 28, 2019, 9:14 AM

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I use SS with Master assassin pepeez

opal meadow Jun 28, 2019, 9:14 AM

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i dont like the MA opener on the website though. i toxic blade then vanish

faint canopy Jun 28, 2019, 9:14 AM

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I've actually never used MA, how do you use it? I'm too used to subterfuge

neat estuary Jun 28, 2019, 9:15 AM

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amafu bad boy

faint canopy Jun 28, 2019, 9:15 AM

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Push, enlighten me with your Simming knowledge

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 9:15 AM

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you wanna use big abilities in vanish, tahts about it

worldly iron Jun 28, 2019, 9:15 AM

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!guide

prisma monolithBOT Jun 28, 2019, 9:15 AM

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Assassination Guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/

austere ruin Jun 28, 2019, 9:15 AM

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always vanish > TB

opal meadow Jun 28, 2019, 9:15 AM

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why though?

austere ruin Jun 28, 2019, 9:15 AM

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with MA opener

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max TB time and damage

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with the crit window

worldly iron Jun 28, 2019, 9:16 AM

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TB hits hard and it's more consistent damage

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 9:16 AM

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i prefer to use TB right before vanish, this was a big discussion back in the day too

opal meadow Jun 28, 2019, 9:16 AM

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i TB then vanish then envenom for 5 CP crit and then mutilite for 4 cp crit

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 9:16 AM

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its barely a difference in dps

worldly iron Jun 28, 2019, 9:16 AM

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it's just more consistent

opal meadow Jun 28, 2019, 9:16 AM

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yeah probably doesn't change much

worldly iron Jun 28, 2019, 9:16 AM

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your damage won't skyrocket, but you won't get fucked over by not critting

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 9:17 AM

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if you TB right before vanish you can get 2 crit envenoms in it tho

opal meadow Jun 28, 2019, 9:17 AM

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yeah

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 9:17 AM

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vanish env - mut - env

worldly iron Jun 28, 2019, 9:17 AM

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but you might also end up with 3cp

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and not env a second time

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 9:18 AM

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thats RNG for you

worldly iron Jun 28, 2019, 9:18 AM

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exactly

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 9:18 AM

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PepeHands

faint canopy Jun 28, 2019, 9:18 AM

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I'm having a Jimmy neutron cerebral scene right now

opal meadow Jun 28, 2019, 9:18 AM

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but if you TB you'll still have only 1 or 2 CPs

worldly iron Jun 28, 2019, 9:18 AM

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that's what I meant by vanish -> TB -> mut being more consistent

neat estuary Jun 28, 2019, 9:18 AM

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could you not just mutilate a 2nd time before TB -> vanish?

worldly iron Jun 28, 2019, 9:18 AM

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1-2 cp from TB -> usually 3cp from mut

neat estuary Jun 28, 2019, 9:18 AM

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you might overcap

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but you will never be forced to 3cp env

worldly iron Jun 28, 2019, 9:19 AM

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overcapping from crits isn't really an issue

tame cobalt Jun 28, 2019, 9:19 AM

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but we like overcaping in here, no?

opal meadow Jun 28, 2019, 9:19 AM

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if you get 3 cp you just dont env

neat estuary Jun 28, 2019, 9:20 AM

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i just stick to subterfuge untill MA is clearly ahead

opal meadow Jun 28, 2019, 9:20 AM

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MA is fun 😦

neat estuary Jun 28, 2019, 9:20 AM

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like by a huge margin xD

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na MA kinda sucks for me

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i am just so used to playing subterfuge due to m+

worldly iron Jun 28, 2019, 9:21 AM

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I get two vendettas on boat on M jaina with MA, wouldn't get that while waiting for vanish to cool down

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with subterfuge

opal meadow Jun 28, 2019, 9:21 AM

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yeah i dont like the cd gap with subterfuge

neat estuary Jun 28, 2019, 9:21 AM

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i cant even use my 2nd vendetta on the boat

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since everytime i want to use it we have to call a dps stop

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since next blizzard is around the corner

worldly iron Jun 28, 2019, 9:22 AM

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we skip the blizzard now PirateHeart

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thanks essences

neat estuary Jun 28, 2019, 9:22 AM

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yea thats nice

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i suggested we do that aswell

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be we had 5 family & friends guys with us last time

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they just dont pull the numbers

faint canopy Jun 28, 2019, 9:23 AM

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Do what your name says

worldly iron Jun 28, 2019, 9:23 AM

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I accidentally had a SS trait on my helm once and went to subterfuge since I had already HS'd once to reforge another piece, and it did feel nice to have big bleeds ticking if you got the first avalanche. but yesterday, I was still top 4-5 after stepping back to jaina, even with MA

neat estuary Jun 28, 2019, 9:24 AM

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yea

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i feel like it really comes down to boss mechanics and playstyle in general

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its hard for me to judge if one is better than the other

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even if it might be on paper

worldly iron Jun 28, 2019, 9:24 AM

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I do like SS, it's a fun trait, I just really don't like it anymore on single target, it usually prevents me from using a vendetta here and there

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especially since we pump too hard for many mechanics now

icy ember Jun 28, 2019, 9:25 AM

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so we are using lucid dreams, right? when do you activate it?

neat estuary Jun 28, 2019, 9:25 AM

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oh boy

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 9:25 AM

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monkaS

neat estuary Jun 28, 2019, 9:25 AM

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here we go again

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 9:25 AM

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Scroll up for your own good

opal meadow Jun 28, 2019, 9:25 AM

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omegalul

neat estuary Jun 28, 2019, 9:25 AM

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tl;dr

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dont use it with lust+vendetta

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use it when your low on energy

icy ember Jun 28, 2019, 9:26 AM

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so we use it outside of cooldowns right

neat estuary Jun 28, 2019, 9:26 AM

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you might want to use it if you only have vendetta up but not right from the get go

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maybe with 5s left or something like that

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but thats up for debate

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 9:26 AM

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If you cant use it on pull if you lust it will forever be misaligned

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Just saying

icy ember Jun 28, 2019, 9:27 AM

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well its an energy regen proc, it isnt that useful if you are maxed out

neat estuary Jun 28, 2019, 9:27 AM

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bossfights are rarely target dummys anyway so

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you have to cycle them around mechanics and phases anyway

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the point is

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lust+vendetta+lucid = overkill

austere ruin Jun 28, 2019, 9:30 AM

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oh and also, i wanna point this one out, always refresh your garrote before u pop lucid

neat estuary Jun 28, 2019, 9:30 AM

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why?

austere ruin Jun 28, 2019, 9:30 AM

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because Garrote only gives u 1 CP

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u wanna max all your energy on mut + evn

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in the lucid window

neat estuary Jun 28, 2019, 9:32 AM

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so you want to refresh not only garrote but rupture aswell?

austere ruin Jun 28, 2019, 9:32 AM

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yes

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i forget to type rup

neat estuary Jun 28, 2019, 9:32 AM

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on all available targets aswell ... jeez i am never gonna use lucid

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jk 😃

austere ruin Jun 28, 2019, 9:32 AM

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lol

icy ember Jun 28, 2019, 9:32 AM

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ye what about the minor power at 55

neat estuary Jun 28, 2019, 9:32 AM

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didnt look into minors at all yet tbh

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someone shed some light

opal meadow Jun 28, 2019, 9:33 AM

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lucid minor probably

neat estuary Jun 28, 2019, 9:33 AM

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can you use the same essence as minor+major?

icy ember Jun 28, 2019, 9:33 AM

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you cant equip it twice

neat estuary Jun 28, 2019, 9:33 AM

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ok

opal meadow Jun 28, 2019, 9:33 AM

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you get the minor

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if it's major

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ye

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i didnt know either till an hour ago

icy ember Jun 28, 2019, 9:34 AM

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well ok maybe you guys can correct me if im wrong, but you can equip it twice eh

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so 200% 4Head

neat estuary Jun 28, 2019, 9:35 AM

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if you equip a major essence

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the minor part of that essence is active aswell

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if you equip a minor essence, only the minor part is active

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you cant equip the same essence multiple times in minor and major slots

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thats what i understood, i might be wrong

opal meadow Jun 28, 2019, 9:37 AM

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sounds right to me

solid nova Jun 28, 2019, 9:38 AM

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📎 unknown.png

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10/10 arrow ik

neat estuary Jun 28, 2019, 9:38 AM

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and about the last part?

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using the same essence in multiple slots?

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not possible?

tame cobalt Jun 28, 2019, 9:39 AM

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not possible

solid nova Jun 28, 2019, 9:39 AM

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No its not,

neat estuary Jun 28, 2019, 9:39 AM

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thanks

solid nova Jun 28, 2019, 9:39 AM

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But also, why would you want to do that

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You get the major and minor effect for having it in the major slot

neat estuary Jun 28, 2019, 9:39 AM

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maybe there could be a nice stack if it would be possible, but whatever, makes sense as it is

tame cobalt Jun 28, 2019, 9:40 AM

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stacking some minors would be op

solid nova Jun 28, 2019, 9:40 AM

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Yeah they're unique slots, cant have more than 1

worldly iron Jun 28, 2019, 9:40 AM

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it makes es-sense

neat estuary Jun 28, 2019, 9:40 AM

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badum tss

solid nova Jun 28, 2019, 9:40 AM

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See yourself out omegalulbig

worldly iron Jun 28, 2019, 9:40 AM

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tipfedora

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I was very sad when I was using the flamey essence one wednesday, it was very boring

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but lucid dream feels super fun

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not being energy starved as assassination PirateHeart

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such sustained burst on opener

tame cobalt Jun 28, 2019, 9:41 AM

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i like blood and aoe

stable oxide Jun 28, 2019, 9:42 AM

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So i've been missing some of the chats the last days. What essences do we go for? Lucid Dream? Vendetta cooldown thingy? Or is Blood of the Enemy still the one to go for? As a Mythic raider

opal meadow Jun 28, 2019, 9:42 AM

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lucid major till you get minor slot then wait for sims

solid nova Jun 28, 2019, 9:43 AM

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!essrank

prisma monolithBOT Jun 28, 2019, 9:43 AM

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Assassination Essence chart: https://bit.ly/2xdr7P8

opal meadow Jun 28, 2019, 9:45 AM

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i dont like how good condenced rank 3 is

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seems boring

solid nova Jun 28, 2019, 9:46 AM

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Unless tuning changes it, it seems good for a lot of specs

opal meadow Jun 28, 2019, 9:47 AM

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yeah

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it's the best essence but its just like not impactful to your rotation really? just a haste buff. i like lucid because it's fun

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or the blood one seems fun too, more crit is nice

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blood essence + crit pot = 40% crit chance

tame cobalt Jun 28, 2019, 9:49 AM

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but it doesnt seem that good in the rankings

solid nova Jun 28, 2019, 9:49 AM

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Wdym?

neat estuary Jun 28, 2019, 9:49 AM

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thats why he said "it seems fun" 😄

tame cobalt Jun 28, 2019, 9:49 AM

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I guess thats true it is more fun

neat estuary Jun 28, 2019, 9:49 AM

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some plebs still enjoying the game

tame cobalt Jun 28, 2019, 9:49 AM

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@solid nova in the essrank you cheked blood isnt as good

solid nova Jun 28, 2019, 9:49 AM

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I mean blood for m+ is going to be good

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lul nvm Iris

jade minnow Jun 28, 2019, 9:50 AM

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https://www.wowhead.com/item=168674/abyssal-alchemist-stone

Wowhead

Abyssal Alchemist Stone

This epic trinket of item level 410 goes in the "Trinket" slot. It is crafted. In the Trinkets category. Added in World of Warcraft: Battle for Azeroth.

tame cobalt Jun 28, 2019, 9:50 AM

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ye but its still outscaled by iris

jade minnow Jun 28, 2019, 9:50 AM

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worth getting? or not

solid nova Jun 28, 2019, 9:50 AM

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Massively omegalul Wtf

tame cobalt Jun 28, 2019, 9:53 AM

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guess i dont need that 50k honor for now

solid nova Jun 28, 2019, 9:55 AM

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I'll probably still do it passively for it

rose violet Jun 28, 2019, 10:02 AM

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?

solid nova Jun 28, 2019, 10:04 AM

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Try your luck in #wow-general this isnt the channel

cobalt flame Jun 28, 2019, 10:05 AM

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Yeah i guess so .. sorry

potent stone Jun 28, 2019, 10:32 AM

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Yo guys, do we have a website to check everything like lockonestopshop?

rustic onyx Jun 28, 2019, 10:32 AM

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ravenholdt is probably the closest

solid nova Jun 28, 2019, 10:38 AM

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@potent stone Atm Wowhead is more up-to date

potent stone Jun 28, 2019, 10:38 AM

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okay thanks

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but i guess ill just ask here, for assa m+ i right now have 3xSS 1xMD 1xNP 1xEB should i go 2xEB and lose 1xSS?

royal lantern Jun 28, 2019, 10:46 AM

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yes

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stacking SS is not really worth it anymore when you can get more EB for most dungeons

runic kernel Jun 28, 2019, 10:48 AM

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is sin best for WQs and content like that?

royal lantern Jun 28, 2019, 10:48 AM

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do you have more gear for sin then for other specs

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if yes, yes

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if no, no

hushed valley Jun 28, 2019, 10:48 AM

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Vwym ss isnt worth staxhinfx

runic kernel Jun 28, 2019, 10:48 AM

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Im shit gear for everything lol

hushed valley Jun 28, 2019, 10:48 AM

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Stacking

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Hero damage has shrouded 3x notably a ove eb

royal lantern Jun 28, 2019, 10:49 AM

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when you have the choice bettwen getting 2xSS or 2xEB, the 2xEB will win in most dungeons

runic kernel Jun 28, 2019, 10:49 AM

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EB?

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 10:49 AM

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dungeon sims is not a good measure of traits

royal lantern Jun 28, 2019, 10:49 AM

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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

runic kernel Jun 28, 2019, 10:49 AM

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I thought SS sucked now??

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Without deeper strat and all

royal lantern Jun 28, 2019, 10:49 AM

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somone else asked for m+

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 10:49 AM

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it doesnt suck, but EB is just better for the big pull meta

royal lantern Jun 28, 2019, 10:49 AM

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and 1xSS is still good for dungeons

runic kernel Jun 28, 2019, 10:49 AM

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Whats EB again?

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 10:50 AM

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FoK trait

royal lantern Jun 28, 2019, 10:50 AM

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echoing blades

runic kernel Jun 28, 2019, 10:50 AM

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What traits should I be going for? I just hopped into 8.2 with a 850 ilvl

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 10:50 AM

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850 monkas

royal lantern Jun 28, 2019, 10:50 AM

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with 850 it doesnt matter

icy ember Jun 28, 2019, 10:50 AM

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do you raid or do you M+?

royal lantern Jun 28, 2019, 10:50 AM

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because shit dies when you look at it 😄

runic kernel Jun 28, 2019, 10:50 AM

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But when I get my benthic pieces

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 10:50 AM

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he is stuck in legion

runic kernel Jun 28, 2019, 10:50 AM

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Pvp mostly

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And dungs

royal lantern Jun 28, 2019, 10:51 AM

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dungeons deepens on the dungeon, but 2-3xEB is almost always good

hushed valley Jun 28, 2019, 10:51 AM

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Idk I would figure eb being dead last in ST would make it far less appealing

royal lantern Jun 28, 2019, 10:51 AM

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for pvp you want too stack twist the knife

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you always spend WAY more times doing aoe in dungeons

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even in tyranical weeks

hushed valley Jun 28, 2019, 10:52 AM

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I mean personally I just switch ol for m+

runic kernel Jun 28, 2019, 10:52 AM

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I just wanna focus on other content right now.. then ill get a pvp set ofc

icy ember Jun 28, 2019, 10:52 AM

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ye, you are basically better off going outlaw in M+ and staying asn for the raid and picking up 3x np and 3x dd

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but that is just my opinion

hushed valley Jun 28, 2019, 10:52 AM

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But I've seen wicked raid dmg on bosses like champs with ssx3

royal lantern Jun 28, 2019, 10:52 AM

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mate

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thats padding

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thats like saying that outlaw is the best rogue spec for jaina

hushed valley Jun 28, 2019, 10:53 AM

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🤷‍♂️

runic kernel Jun 28, 2019, 10:53 AM

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@icy ember Speaking to me bud?

royal lantern Jun 28, 2019, 10:53 AM

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because they can pad so much dps with BF on the balistas/iceblocks

icy ember Jun 28, 2019, 10:53 AM

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im speaking to all of the discord

hushed valley Jun 28, 2019, 10:53 AM

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@icy ember would you want one ss over 3rd dd

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Just for cp

royal lantern Jun 28, 2019, 10:54 AM

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for raids? nope

icy ember Jun 28, 2019, 10:54 AM

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well, no, but that is just me personally, i can visibly see someone swapping to 1x ss over NP instead of dd on fights like jadefire

royal lantern Jun 28, 2019, 10:54 AM

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if you stack DD you go MA, and SS is pretty bad without subterfuge

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why would you take ss for conclave....?

icy ember Jun 28, 2019, 10:55 AM

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edited

royal lantern Jun 28, 2019, 10:55 AM

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they heal too full hp every time a new guy spawns

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😄

rose violet Jun 28, 2019, 10:56 AM

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Raptors

icy ember Jun 28, 2019, 10:56 AM

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but i don't like swapping azerite around, i just roll 3x np and 3x dd

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noone complains

hushed valley Jun 28, 2019, 10:57 AM

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Word

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Ty

edgy pawn Jun 28, 2019, 10:57 AM

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i like to get 1 bbi in there

hushed valley Jun 28, 2019, 10:57 AM

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Tryan aswell

runic kernel Jun 28, 2019, 11:00 AM

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Whats the best sin spec atm for questing and such?

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im 2233121

rose violet Jun 28, 2019, 11:03 AM

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All you need for questing is subterfuge

lean thorn Jun 28, 2019, 11:04 AM

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Does the energy regen from Memory of Lucid Dreams makes Haste weight much lower? Or will it still be top stat for ST?

solid nova Jun 28, 2019, 11:04 AM

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Probably will do yeah

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Sims are still a bit squiffy atm though

lean thorn Jun 28, 2019, 11:05 AM

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As I understand the bis combo be Condensed Life-Force for major slot and Memory of Lucid Dreams for the minor one

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I just couldn't find the info how much exactly energy per minute we'll get from the minor slot of Lucid Dreams

spice surge Jun 28, 2019, 11:09 AM

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I've noticed that lucid minor doesnt impact stat weights much at all

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The major makes haste less valueable though

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 11:11 AM

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I felt that my galecallers was sort of wasted, dunno

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def going to swap that out asap, terrible to use

real bay Jun 28, 2019, 11:14 AM

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lurkers peepoguns lucid just makes it even better

royal lantern Jun 28, 2019, 11:15 AM

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holy shit, i simply cant spend all that energy from lucid

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i overcap all the time

upbeat geode Jun 28, 2019, 11:15 AM

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do you pop it together with vendetta?

royal lantern Jun 28, 2019, 11:15 AM

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nope, ofc not

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 11:16 AM

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got 884 energy from lucid minor during a 5:5 minute fight yesterday

plucky oak Jun 28, 2019, 11:16 AM

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i popd it after second envenom in tb window

shy axle Jun 28, 2019, 11:17 AM

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it works like in the racing games back in the days

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push the button harder

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ytho

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 11:18 AM

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some rng involved, it has a fixed procrate right? and you can get it on your finishers/garrotes

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quite the difference in energy gained

royal lantern Jun 28, 2019, 11:18 AM

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yeha, i use it on the 2x TB window and ALWAYS overcap, even when i use stuff on the gcd

upbeat geode Jun 28, 2019, 11:18 AM

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ye it procs from every ability

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 11:18 AM

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yea i just checked my log

spice surge Jun 28, 2019, 11:19 AM

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Im unsure if its a flat% chance everytime or if its rppm, i'd assume its rppm but who knows

upbeat geode Jun 28, 2019, 11:19 AM

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did it proc on faint? 😄

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 11:19 AM

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using feint monkas

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i noticed one mutilate proc

royal lantern Jun 28, 2019, 11:19 AM

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feint in 2k19 omegalul

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 11:19 AM

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25 energy back

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lots of 12-18 energy restored

jovial tulip Jun 28, 2019, 11:20 AM

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so I'm not the only one thinking lucid dream sims are sort of inflated ? Like, when would you optimally use it if not with your CDs, you have energy for days without using it I feel like

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The minor is just strong

royal lantern Jun 28, 2019, 11:20 AM

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lucid dreams+venom rush strats inc

spice surge Jun 28, 2019, 11:20 AM

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@jovial tulip Use it when youre low on energy (<50)

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 11:20 AM

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the on use just extends ur opener dmg

spice surge Jun 28, 2019, 11:20 AM

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Dont line it up with vendetta or anything

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 11:20 AM

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you are swimming in energy until almost a minute into the fight, its quite neat

jovial tulip Jun 28, 2019, 11:20 AM

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Yeah, usually when I'm low on energy, I got no dmg anyways, like I'm far off from TB etc, so I feel like it would be wasted

spice surge Jun 28, 2019, 11:21 AM

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You still get lots of DD damage

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 11:21 AM

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i usually get a TB in the lucid window

frigid sleet Jun 28, 2019, 11:21 AM

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it devaluate haste a lot for me

upbeat geode Jun 28, 2019, 11:22 AM

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i dont have my lucid minor yet, can we get close to 100% EB uptime with it?

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 11:22 AM

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and even if you dont get a TB during lucid window you'll go into a TB without having to pool energy because you're basically full

jovial tulip Jun 28, 2019, 11:22 AM

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hmm, so we will 100% want to use that major as assa then ? Because I'm leaning towards using vision in major, then lucid in the minor
even if sims don't support it, numbers wise, I feel like that might be stronger ?

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 11:22 AM

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why visions

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monkaHmm

lean thorn Jun 28, 2019, 11:23 AM

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Is it in theory possible to make it 5 envenoms in 1 TB then? poggers
TB->relic-> env - muti - env - muti - env - muti - env - muti - env
10 gcd in total

world first?!?! pog

upbeat geode Jun 28, 2019, 11:23 AM

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sims say lucid in minor right now

lean thorn Jun 28, 2019, 11:23 AM

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Considering u'r full of crit and get 4cp everytime lol

crystal vessel Jun 28, 2019, 11:23 AM

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If you EB, can the vision proc go on more than 1 target?

jovial tulip Jun 28, 2019, 11:23 AM

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Vendetta CD reduction as Minor and chance to proc Vendetta + trait, if we still haste stack, might be strong, but yh, idk

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 11:23 AM

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no

spice surge Jun 28, 2019, 11:23 AM

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Vendetta cd reduction isnt very powerful as it offsyncs vanish

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 11:23 AM

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you're also going to misalign vendetta and vanish

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this is the same debate as was had during the CDR days of legion but for another class

upbeat geode Jun 28, 2019, 11:24 AM

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missalign monkaS

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 11:24 AM

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sure its nice having ur CD more often, but it fucks everything else up

jovial tulip Jun 28, 2019, 11:24 AM

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I don't remember t hat being such a huge deal back in legion tho ? during the convergence meta

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or maybe that's so long ago that I've forgotten already haha

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 11:24 AM

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couldnt you get vanish down to a 1 minute cd

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so you had it back up for 2nd vanish anyway

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i mean

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vendetta

jovial tulip Jun 28, 2019, 11:25 AM

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Vendetta at it's lowest was like 1.1min CD

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not 1min flat

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 11:25 AM

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yea but so you only had to hold vanish for a few seconds

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would not be the case now i think

spice surge Jun 28, 2019, 11:25 AM

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Its not only vanish either. Lurkers is still an amazing trinket and likely to be sought after even in palace

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And the storm effects from aszhara (see belt from aszhara boss)

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Both of those also have 2 min cd which you dont want to missalign

rigid mango Jun 28, 2019, 11:26 AM

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Yeah, vision looks horrendous for raid

jovial tulip Jun 28, 2019, 11:27 AM

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hmm, true, lurkers OP
I still don't see the full value of lucid for rogues tho, since you overcap so hard, atleast I have so far
For other classes, sure, it's busted, boomie's for example get AP, their rotation is moonfire starsurge, moonfire, starsurge etc, broken lol
but for rogue, idk
Anyhow, someone mentioned for sims lucid is minor ? what's being used as major then ?

spice surge Jun 28, 2019, 11:27 AM

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You get the minor when you have the major

jovial tulip Jun 28, 2019, 11:28 AM

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yeah, obv 😄

spice surge Jun 28, 2019, 11:28 AM

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And right now most people only have 1 major slot and no minor

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 11:28 AM

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Assa is probably one of the better lucid classes

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not close to say fire but still

rigid mango Jun 28, 2019, 11:28 AM

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Minor is the thing you want

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Not the major

spice surge Jun 28, 2019, 11:28 AM

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The major that sims the best is condensed life force (after you get 2 slots and can have lucid minor)

rigid mango Jun 28, 2019, 11:28 AM

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Odds are we swap major as soon as we can

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But the minor is fucking bonkers.

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 11:28 AM

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i guess you can run the crucible in major

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until condensed

jovial tulip Jun 28, 2019, 11:29 AM

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I'm at neck lvl 53 atm, so not far off 😛
so once I hit 55 I'll put lucid in minor, but yh, major I'm still not sure

spice surge Jun 28, 2019, 11:29 AM

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Yeah flames are fine

royal lantern Jun 28, 2019, 11:29 AM

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wath do you guys think about worldvein when some people in the raidgroup use it?

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 11:29 AM

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cus you will get 55 in neck before you have condensed

lone sorrel Jun 28, 2019, 11:29 AM

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Hi, can anyone confirm Lucid Dream effect breaking stealth when it procs on sap ?

vagrant wigeon Jun 28, 2019, 11:29 AM

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does nazjatar stuff change traits ?

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 11:29 AM

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crucible of flame is a good major, no doubts

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Razen it might be your follower doing some shenanigans

spice surge Jun 28, 2019, 11:30 AM

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@jovial tulip https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/e7mBMsC1gmFbWTs6tTuZnz
This is my character so slight deviations for yours ofc (caps is major)

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 11:30 AM

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but i have experienced the same thing

lone sorrel Jun 28, 2019, 11:30 AM

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@faint harness ok ty mate

spice surge Jun 28, 2019, 11:30 AM

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I've heard reports of it too

shy axle Jun 28, 2019, 11:30 AM

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follower not vanishing with me annoys me

lone sorrel Jun 28, 2019, 11:30 AM

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also this ^

jovial tulip Jun 28, 2019, 11:30 AM

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@spice surge thank you, didn't realise we could sim the essences already, was doin like 50 different sims yesterday lmao

lone sorrel Jun 28, 2019, 11:31 AM

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hmm, same happened without follower

rigid mango Jun 28, 2019, 11:31 AM

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Life force lucid here we come OMEGAWHEELCHAIR

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 11:31 AM

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@spice surge your sim is saying lucid in major and flame in minor is better monkaHmm

rustic onyx Jun 28, 2019, 11:32 AM

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lucid is the best major till rank 3 essence or condensed life

jovial tulip Jun 28, 2019, 11:32 AM

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not sure which sims you are lookin at but life force major and lucid minor is showin as best for me

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 11:32 AM

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yea but you cant get life force yet

rustic onyx Jun 28, 2019, 11:32 AM

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yes so lucid is the best major right now

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we can get

spice surge Jun 28, 2019, 11:32 AM

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Those sims are all with r3

spiral escarp Jun 28, 2019, 11:32 AM

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hey guys, is it possible to use the essences as part of macros and how? I tried with /cast and /use but none seems to work...

rustic onyx Jun 28, 2019, 11:32 AM

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i think you need rank 3 flame for it to be better than rank 1 lucid

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in major slot

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 11:33 AM

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what is stopping flame ranks btw

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isnt it just a questline

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rep based?

rustic onyx Jun 28, 2019, 11:33 AM

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neck lvl

rigid mango Jun 28, 2019, 11:33 AM

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Isn't it levels?

spice surge Jun 28, 2019, 11:33 AM

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@spiral escarp /cast Heart Essence

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 11:33 AM

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right

spice surge Jun 28, 2019, 11:33 AM

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Its neck lvl

rigid mango Jun 28, 2019, 11:33 AM

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54 for r2 iirc

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 11:33 AM

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rank 3 is lvl 60?

scenic torrent Jun 28, 2019, 11:33 AM

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How many Shrouded Suffocination trais is too many?

rigid mango Jun 28, 2019, 11:33 AM

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60 or 65

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 11:33 AM

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it makes sense, i think method was going for 60 neck lvls

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for rank 3s

rigid mango Jun 28, 2019, 11:34 AM

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60 r3 70 r4 ye

spice surge Jun 28, 2019, 11:34 AM

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@scenic torrent For ST you want 0, for cleave you want as many as possible, for aoe you want 1

scenic torrent Jun 28, 2019, 11:35 AM

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@spice surge ty, its just some random pieace, nothing better to pick anyways

vestal wren Jun 28, 2019, 11:36 AM

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should i make a bot command for the azerite major macro?

spice surge Jun 28, 2019, 11:36 AM

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@rigid mango Its yikes how MA is still simming higher than subt and ns with blood+crit pot lul

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Idk

vestal wren Jun 28, 2019, 11:36 AM

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i pinned it in general yesterday and thought that would be suefficient

spice surge Jun 28, 2019, 11:37 AM

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First time i've seen it mentioned, so i think its fine

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Since dragging out the spell from your spellbook does the exact same thing as that macro i dont see the need really

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But hey

real bay Jun 28, 2019, 11:37 AM

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this,and it's on gcd

molten mirage Jun 28, 2019, 11:37 AM

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Is lucid essence BIS for us?

vestal wren Jun 28, 2019, 11:38 AM

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depends what you mean by bis

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 11:38 AM

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sim it bro

molten mirage Jun 28, 2019, 11:38 AM

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i mean the exact acronym deffinition

vestal wren Jun 28, 2019, 11:38 AM

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!essenceranking

prisma monolithBOT Jun 28, 2019, 11:38 AM

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Assassination Essence chart: https://bit.ly/2xdr7P8

molten mirage Jun 28, 2019, 11:38 AM

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best in slot

vestal wren Jun 28, 2019, 11:38 AM

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for major essences rank 1 seems huge

spice surge Jun 28, 2019, 11:38 AM

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What slot though? 🤔

molten mirage Jun 28, 2019, 11:39 AM

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thx fuu

vestal wren Jun 28, 2019, 11:39 AM

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if you have 1 major 1 minor we might take it to minor slot

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and for m+ i am not sure if you use it

peak quarry Jun 28, 2019, 11:41 AM

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!essence

prisma monolithBOT Jun 28, 2019, 11:41 AM

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Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

peak quarry Jun 28, 2019, 11:49 AM

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Should I pick second shrouded suffocation or echoing blades?

rigid mango Jun 28, 2019, 11:50 AM

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For m+, probs eb

peak quarry Jun 28, 2019, 11:50 AM

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hmm thanks

woven summit Jun 28, 2019, 12:03 PM

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!essrank

prisma monolithBOT Jun 28, 2019, 12:03 PM

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Assassination Essence chart: https://bit.ly/2xdr7P8

peak quarry Jun 28, 2019, 12:20 PM

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!wa

prisma monolithBOT Jun 28, 2019, 12:20 PM

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Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

carmine valve Jun 28, 2019, 12:29 PM

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Would you pop Lucid dream 3 sec after vandetta?

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or right after vandetta

worldly iron Jun 28, 2019, 12:30 PM

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you don't pop it during vendetta, you will overcap way too much energy (edit: if you have NP, I keep thinking about that trait by default since I run it)

rose violet Jun 28, 2019, 12:30 PM

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I would pop it after your toxic blade ran out

fiery cradle Jun 28, 2019, 12:31 PM

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pop it whenever you don't have enough energy to mut in your next gcd

rigid mango Jun 28, 2019, 12:32 PM

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You pop it whenever sub 50 energy

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Regardless of syncing

carmine valve Jun 28, 2019, 12:32 PM

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THe energy from vandetta only lasts 3 sec

solid nova Jun 28, 2019, 12:32 PM

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Vendetta

carmine valve Jun 28, 2019, 12:32 PM

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so after 3 sec, whenever I reach sub 50 energy?

rigid mango Jun 28, 2019, 12:36 PM

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Just whenever

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You reach sub 50

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If you do, press it

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If you can't press a button next gcd, press lucid.

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!essrank

prisma monolithBOT Jun 28, 2019, 12:37 PM

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Assassination Essence chart: https://bit.ly/2xdr7P8

tropic ocean Jun 28, 2019, 12:38 PM

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Idk why would you not use it during vendetta

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Obv when im low energy i‘d want to use it during vendetta cuz I want to pump out as much envenom during vendetta as I can 🤷🏿‍♂️

solid nova Jun 28, 2019, 12:40 PM

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That still falls into the -50 energy statement though

tropic ocean Jun 28, 2019, 12:40 PM

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Yes ofc

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Im just not sure how ppl come to the conclusion not to use it during vendetta

worldly iron Jun 28, 2019, 12:40 PM

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right, last time I answered that, it was during the opener

tropic ocean Jun 28, 2019, 12:41 PM

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Even with np and 26% haste I starve energy during last third of vendetta 🤷🏿‍♂️

worldly iron Jun 28, 2019, 12:41 PM

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so yeah, of course you'd use it during vendetta if you can benefit

solid nova Jun 28, 2019, 12:41 PM

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^

tropic ocean Jun 28, 2019, 12:41 PM

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Probably will change with minor

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But until then pump

rigid mango Jun 28, 2019, 12:43 PM

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Until we get life, we might just stick to lucid

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Or r3 flame

tropic ocean Jun 28, 2019, 12:46 PM

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Really looking forward to that guardian essence

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And apm increase by lucid minor

spice surge Jun 28, 2019, 12:46 PM

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?

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You get the minor when you have the major

solid nova Jun 28, 2019, 12:47 PM

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^

tropic ocean Jun 28, 2019, 12:47 PM

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Yes but I cant use both rn

spice surge Jun 28, 2019, 12:48 PM

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If you use lucid

zinc pine Jun 28, 2019, 12:48 PM

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Main slot essences have both enabled.

spice surge Jun 28, 2019, 12:48 PM

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You get both the major and the minor

tropic ocean Jun 28, 2019, 12:48 PM

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I‘m looking forward to combo guardian major with lucid minor

dark crag Jun 28, 2019, 12:48 PM

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The middle essence has both

spice surge Jun 28, 2019, 12:48 PM

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Thats still a lot less apm than simply lucid major

drifting fulcrum Jun 28, 2019, 12:48 PM

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!essence

prisma monolithBOT Jun 28, 2019, 12:48 PM

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Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

tropic ocean Jun 28, 2019, 12:49 PM

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Yeah but should be higher dps wise

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And you still have more apm than we had before essences

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Which is great

upbeat geode Jun 28, 2019, 12:50 PM

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i just spam my buttons with 200 APM and pretend they do things

tropic ocean Jun 28, 2019, 12:50 PM

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This is not fury channel

carmine valve Jun 28, 2019, 12:51 PM

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im abit confused by echo blade trait, first time testing this trait out. so if theres 1 target, and I use FoK, the echo proc only happends after I crit my own FoK 5 times?

tropic ocean Jun 28, 2019, 12:51 PM

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No

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It happens for every crir

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Crit

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Within first 5 crit hits

carmine valve Jun 28, 2019, 12:52 PM

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So if theres 10 mobs, echo blade will only happend on the first 5 crit on mobs?

tropic ocean Jun 28, 2019, 12:52 PM

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Yes

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Else it would be ridiculously broken

spice surge Jun 28, 2019, 12:52 PM

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@carmine valve It will shoot out the wave from the first 5 yes, but it will hit all mobs

carmine valve Jun 28, 2019, 12:52 PM

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Does the FoK from echo blade apply poison or give combo point or anything? beside always being crit

tropic ocean Jun 28, 2019, 12:53 PM

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No cp

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I dont think it can poison either

carmine valve Jun 28, 2019, 12:53 PM

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what about applying Deadly poison?

spice surge Jun 28, 2019, 12:53 PM

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no

arctic walrus Jun 28, 2019, 12:54 PM

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Going off by that chart would you not want to wait on switching out lucid until you get r3 life force or r3 flame

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Nvm better to throw lucid on minor and get more dps out of something else

carmine valve Jun 28, 2019, 12:55 PM

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Ok between essences and traits feeling about overwhelmed

tropic ocean Jun 28, 2019, 12:56 PM

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?

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Is that a question?

glass relic Jun 28, 2019, 1:02 PM

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what do we think about that new arcane heart trait?

tropic ocean Jun 28, 2019, 1:05 PM

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I think the mastery trait will be very strong but arcane not so much

fathom echo Jun 28, 2019, 1:12 PM

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anyone getting taken out of stealth all the time now ?

solid nova Jun 28, 2019, 1:12 PM

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Your follower

fathom echo Jun 28, 2019, 1:12 PM

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ah ty

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even neri?

solid nova Jun 28, 2019, 1:13 PM

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I believe so mate

wide hedge Jun 28, 2019, 1:20 PM

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yep i only run around with neri and she always gets me out of stealth

polar cape Jun 28, 2019, 1:27 PM

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Lucid energy return does it too i tink

short depot Jun 28, 2019, 1:29 PM

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raidbot is opti or not ?

tropic ocean Jun 28, 2019, 1:30 PM

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its the most common used sim tool yes

short depot Jun 28, 2019, 1:31 PM

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yes i know but for the 8.2 ?

tropic ocean Jun 28, 2019, 1:31 PM

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yes

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for the 8.2 too

short depot Jun 28, 2019, 1:31 PM

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ok good thx

solid nova Jun 28, 2019, 1:31 PM

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You can sim yes

tropic ocean Jun 28, 2019, 1:31 PM

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just resim your char on a daily basis as it gets updated and optimized day by day

solid nova Jun 28, 2019, 1:31 PM

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But theres also a big disclaimer about unstablility while things are settling out

rigid mango Jun 28, 2019, 1:31 PM

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It's janky sims though

solid nova Jun 28, 2019, 1:31 PM

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The big red bar on the website

rigid mango Jun 28, 2019, 1:31 PM

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^

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They're not entirely optimised yet, so just take them with a grain of salt

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Compare with others' and try to get something similar blobshrug

hollow stone Jun 28, 2019, 1:35 PM

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Or just hoard everything and sim before july 9 when its stable and optimizing actually matters

rigid mango Jun 28, 2019, 1:36 PM

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I mean I assume that's what everyone's doing anywats

hollow stone Jun 28, 2019, 1:36 PM

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I think we'd be surprised lol

rigid mango Jun 28, 2019, 1:36 PM

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Yeah omegalul

opal pumice Jun 28, 2019, 1:44 PM

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!essence

prisma monolithBOT Jun 28, 2019, 1:44 PM

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Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

versed heart Jun 28, 2019, 1:47 PM

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can assas wear one fist wep?

solid nova Jun 28, 2019, 1:47 PM

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No

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You need 2 daggers for mutilate

versed heart Jun 28, 2019, 1:49 PM

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what about sub?

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or is it only for outlaw

vapid turtle Jun 28, 2019, 1:50 PM

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sub can in offhand, only assassination requires 2 daggers

lethal heart Jun 28, 2019, 1:57 PM

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!essence

prisma monolithBOT Jun 28, 2019, 1:57 PM

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Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

north star Jun 28, 2019, 1:59 PM

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are there any benthic gear sims available?

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or atleast an early idea of which ones are looking like the best ones to keep

sudden ocean Jun 28, 2019, 2:02 PM

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what's the new crafted trinket like for rogue?

glacial glacier Jun 28, 2019, 2:25 PM

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Does anyone know if sin is gonna be the best raiding spec again?

lean thorn Jun 28, 2019, 2:33 PM

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Only ~~the gods~~ blizzard know for sure

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But from what I've heard sin is a safe bet

solemn meadow Jun 28, 2019, 2:34 PM

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📎 unknown.png

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do punchcards

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sim decent?`

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eh the trinket I mean

glacial glacier Jun 28, 2019, 2:36 PM

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thanks sentrip! I like all the specs. I play whatever is best

spice surge Jun 28, 2019, 2:36 PM

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That trinket is not properly implemented in simc yet, but it doesnt look very good to me

tame cobalt Jun 28, 2019, 2:37 PM

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The trinket is bugged. Punchcards dont always give the stats they say they do

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!essencerank

prisma monolithBOT Jun 28, 2019, 2:40 PM

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Assassination Essence chart: https://bit.ly/2xdr7P8

solemn meadow Jun 28, 2019, 2:42 PM

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well the red punchcards seem good?

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idk if they actually are tho

spice surge Jun 28, 2019, 2:44 PM

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Do they?

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280 haste on a 1 rppm proc seems atrocious to me

solemn meadow Jun 28, 2019, 2:45 PM

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the optimization one

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sounds cool

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📎 unknown.png

thorny kettle Jun 28, 2019, 2:51 PM

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!Essence

prisma monolithBOT Jun 28, 2019, 2:51 PM

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Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

woven summit Jun 28, 2019, 2:52 PM

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!essrank

prisma monolithBOT Jun 28, 2019, 2:52 PM

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Assassination Essence chart: https://bit.ly/2xdr7P8

solemn meadow Jun 28, 2019, 3:03 PM

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https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4AmbBVYTQQ8Pkrii6CZpbU

Raidbots

Top Gear - Tylur - 32,321 DPS - Raidbots

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pepehands

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Do the blue cards do anything?

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or are there better red ones

faint harness Jun 28, 2019, 3:08 PM

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Blue cards are just quirky utility

crisp steppe Jun 28, 2019, 3:08 PM

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blue cards seem like flavor things

woven summit Jun 28, 2019, 3:09 PM

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Will banthik gear be bis for raiding?

devout spire Jun 28, 2019, 3:10 PM

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! essences

prisma monolithBOT Jun 28, 2019, 3:10 PM

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Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

crisp steppe Jun 28, 2019, 3:16 PM

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well you probably won't be able to upgrade all benthic gear to 425 or 430 whatever the cap is.

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then as soon as the raid comes out you get 430 from heroic. the belt has a powerful passive on it for doing more dmg to abberations which are like 2 bosses

modest quiver Jun 28, 2019, 3:29 PM

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you will get 2-3 pieces before raid comes out, try to get a socketed 385 one and upgrade that, or aim for ur slots that arent already 420+

tribal marlin Jun 28, 2019, 3:30 PM

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Punchcard trinket with the 404 basic red card don't look good, might be pretty decent with red card coming in S3

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also both Insidious gift and Kimbul are busted right now so hard to compare

sleek cargo Jun 28, 2019, 3:51 PM

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!Essence

prisma monolithBOT Jun 28, 2019, 3:51 PM

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Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

woven summit Jun 28, 2019, 3:54 PM

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Is exanguinate going the tallent to go for m+ in the new season?

rigid mango Jun 28, 2019, 3:55 PM

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Why would it?

elder gulch Jun 28, 2019, 3:59 PM

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does anyone know if the mechagon azerite gear will be sold by the vendor?

rigid mango Jun 28, 2019, 3:59 PM

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Sounds no assa to me

arctic walrus Jun 28, 2019, 4:00 PM

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Is there any word if we can skip essence ranks?

ripe nimbus Jun 28, 2019, 4:00 PM

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Does anyone know if the mechagon azerite gear with assassin traits on it will be sold by the vendor?

rigid mango Jun 28, 2019, 4:00 PM

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Sounds very un assa to me

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Imagine if there was a channel like #wow-general where you could ask non spec specific questions

elder gulch Jun 28, 2019, 4:01 PM

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oh, u'r one of those

rigid mango Jun 28, 2019, 4:02 PM

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I'm just making the mod's lives easier

ripe nimbus Jun 28, 2019, 4:02 PM

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The answer is yes liquid btw

rigid mango Jun 28, 2019, 4:02 PM

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It's me or a mod, you pick

ripe nimbus Jun 28, 2019, 4:02 PM

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There mods that's there job leave it to them u brown noser lol

rigid mango Jun 28, 2019, 4:03 PM

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blobshrug wanna get mad about what the rules are just bring it up with them

elder gulch Jun 28, 2019, 4:03 PM

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hey zine, do you know if the SS trait on mechagon azerite gear scaled to 445 from the vendor?

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😃

latent gazelle Jun 28, 2019, 4:03 PM

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Once mechagon is split into 2 dungeons and made into M+ prolly

rigid mango Jun 28, 2019, 4:04 PM

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Using more than one channel monkaSweat

latent gazelle Jun 28, 2019, 4:05 PM

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Lol

quartz escarp Jun 28, 2019, 4:28 PM

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!Essence

prisma monolithBOT Jun 28, 2019, 4:28 PM

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Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

shy axle Jun 28, 2019, 4:29 PM

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@rigid mango glad you ain`t in the mage discord arent ya

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pepehands

civic palm Jun 28, 2019, 4:29 PM

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o _ O

shy axle Jun 28, 2019, 4:35 PM

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because there`s only 1 channel for all 3 speccs