after "prepulling" with it lol. Also fucks the raid on shroud if they need it
#assassination
elfin plaza
white basalt
yes you can use it then stealth, just tried it on a mob
quasi pewter
nice
white basalt
its quick though
quasi pewter
i assume thats how you would want to use it
sudden canyon
is raidbots up to date with new APL
raw tusk
thinkin of switchin to assas for a bit anything i should know going into this patch lol
rigid mango
How to play the class sounds good
vestal wren
theres not a lot of changes for assassination
spice surge
Wdym zine, bloodmallet seems almost identical to mine
rigid mango
Wasn't az dude higher?
spice surge
True
spice surge
Idk, should be higher on both though
Since you could use it with 4m vendetta
Instead of 3min
spice surge
Well no it doesnt
vestal dagger
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
spice surge
But your 10% haste is better during vendetta
sudden canyon
ah. i havent played since 8.0 thought maybe there was some class changes or something
rigid mango
Fair
floral loom
Is kimbals bis right now?
spice surge
But its mostly wierd because of including both major and minor in the same is a bit missleading
For the future when you can have multiples
rigid mango
Y for sure
honest iris
kimbul got buffeD?
rigid mango
I mean I don't see lucid being taken as major as soon as we get next slot
Just running minir probs best
tribal marlin
It's wierd major and minor essence have same value
ripe nimbus
almost all damage trinkets got buffed
raw tusk
thanks for zero help zine lol
nocturne gate
how important is it raidwise to gather the pvp essences ? bc i hate pvp so much and dont really want to go for pvp content at all.
rigid mango
Idk what you're really looking after with the worlds most open and broad question
Blood seems aight for m+
But hard to see what's gonna be BiS come new season
raw tusk
Ok i havent been asass in a long time whats the traits and stuff to go for
tough whale
rigid mango
Eb/ttk/ss for m+, dd/np/ss for st
raw tusk
is there anything that doesnt gain any benefit from stacking?
rigid mango
No, NP is a need as a one of, but still on of BiS trait after that
SS is also a need for m+
raw tusk
Alright I've got 2 DD 2 SS 2 Np. i should swap the Np to TC?
tough whale
top tier pepo
rigid mango
Ss is better in cleave, dd np is better in patchwerk
white basalt
will the pocket sizerd computation device trinket be good?
tough whale
i mean, if you make it good, yes?
white basalt
something i should try to farm before raid or nah?
tough whale
ilevel gated behind titanforge and no mechagon
not rly farmable itll just drop if it drops for sockets
white basalt
ah i see cool
balmy condor
so I explored all the things, did the wq's and the quests
and now what, just wait till the gate gods let me in?
bleak star
Can you get punch card trinket? Or is it tied to dungeon?
meager nebula
its from the dungeon
tribal marlin
few testes about best way to use Lucid Major effect : best way to use is whenever you don't have enough energy for mutiate within the next global (basically use it whenever you fall under 50 energy) regardless of of everything
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uc4EX38XPFJjDtiGwG8kE1 (here sorry messed up with trinket shit earlier, this one should be good)
sly flume
just from quests after getting there
bleak star
Roger that fam
white basalt
so for the concentrated flame, i if i want to be super try hard, i would build 3 stacks before pull, correct?
sly flume
You can use those two weeks to gear alts and rep for flying, its pretty much just worth playing when the raid releases and they raise the ilvl cap if you just interested in gear
bleak star
Shame visions isn’t for another 2 weeks would be fun to do that np trait
rigid mango
Unlucky it's not as good as lucid
honest iris
hows the new weap enchants?
lament oak
Does anyone know if master assassin affects the crit chance for the essence?
ripe nimbus
it doesnt
hollow bridge
what is the best benthic gear to get?
neon sedge
can anyone confirm that doing a +10 before opening has any sort of benefit? I saw a forum recommending doing a +10 before opening. Possible essence related.
rigid mango
Opening what
cunning urchin
lmao done an epic bg 2 times still no credit for the quest
obsidian ruin
@neon sedge not relevant until season 3 afaik (since it says loot +4/7 weekly chest in season 3) for focusing iris
neon sedge
ty
elder gulch
so what essences are looking giga for m+ atm?
spice surge
Blood
steel summit
Blood for raiding too?
spice surge
Lucid atm till you get two slots
rigid mango
You think we go guard + luc min at 55 eleem?
spice surge
Or blood+lucid yeah
Although ptr data might have been scuffed and/or they might retune stuff
steel summit
So lucid > Vision atm? for ST raiding.
spice surge
With new pot and blood active at the same time thats like 80% crit 
Vision isnt available now
So yes
steel summit
Heh, yeah, my bad.
ripe nimbus
neither is lucid
rugged torrent
I'm late to the party, the consensus is Lucid ye?
ripe nimbus
the consensus is u cant get anything better then cruicible of flame right now so use that one
hazy geyser
so which essences should we start grinding for? i know the vendetta one is decent but thats about it
tribal marlin
Quite sad this is one of the best setup ... litterally the 2 first essence you'll get
untold current
anyone have an issue with /cast concentrated flame in macro?
untold current
pvp one right?
stable plinth
win 1 epic bg, normal bg, island pvp
untold current
still, dont know whats up with macro not casting
#showtooltip Sinister Strike
/startattack
/cast Sinister Strike
add /cast concentrated Flame
doesnt go
scenic nacelle
except my 1 epic bg never counted for me.. feelsbadman
harsh sphinx
can you get it? thought it has to be s3
vapid scarab
@tribal marlin you can't do a different minor from your major tho
not until you hit 55 and 65
tribal marlin
I was meant to sim lvl55 setup
but flame look quite busted dunno
I mean, for the "very first essence you get"
empty badge
What enchants do I use for single target now?
vapid scarab
the ones that sim highest
red zealot
The new enchants worth?
empty badge
^^ thats what i want to know
vapid scarab
if they sim higher yes
if they aren't implemented in simc yet then how would anyone know
ripe nimbus
@untold current All the essence actives are on the GCD
scenic saffron
Any idea how to use Lucid active ? The first TB window after vendetta finishes or ?
keen elk
@scenic saffron scroll up about 20 or so minutes. They were discussing it a little. I think the consensus was to use it virtually whenever you are under 50% energy but I may be paraphrasing out of context so I recommend reading thru it
fleet whale
anyone try Kimbul's yet?
steel wagon
isnt blood of the enemy better than the defauly one right now?
for single target or no
keen elk
@balmy quest thank you for correcting me lol my paraphrasing was shit
fleet whale
also i just simmed and Kimbul's is a dps loss for me?
balmy quest
all good bro I got chu ❤
untold current
Yes
steel wagon
Do we want to use crucible or blood of the enemy tonight?
charred canopy
cant get blood one tonight unless ur extremely lucky
i did one normal bg and it counted for the quest won 2 epic battlegrounds and they didnt count
apparently its a bug that they know about cause alot are reporting it
steel wagon
I have the blood one
charred canopy
then ur lucky
steel wagon
thanks. not trying to be rude but that doesnt answer my question xD
is blood better than the cruicible?
charred canopy
i mean its up to u but i would assume the blood might be better for now.
out of the 2
warm cave
Force Manip good for weapons now or stay with old stat weight enchants
wooden flax
So, has anyone had this issue today? I am ilvl 414 and for some reason i feel very underpowered in Nazjatar, soloing content?
visual quartz
and thats a problem?
wooden flax
I almost died on a pull of 4 mobs... which has not happened in Zandalar or Kul Tiras...
untold current
I imagine the content is scaled up a bit compared to the rest of bfa
wooden flax
I am just curious... because the benthic gear, even has lower ilvl, they have better secondary stats with decent equipment procs
turbid galleon
is there a time to optimize the concentrated flame essence?
or basically just on cd
or not use at unless out of melee range
wooden flax
I just got a feeling that blizz is just saying, hey I know you 415 op, but get your benthic gear anyways
supple hearth
wooden flax
I mean... you have a point...
drifting cloud
I mean Zandalar is probably scaled to less than 350
wooden flax
I am really wondering if they scaled the zone to ilvl, and lower ilvl is better balanced...
is it worth to save my 415 gear for when raid comes out and just roll with benthic gear in Nazjar for now? Just curious if that would feel better
cobalt pelican
people have been asking for world content to be slightly more difficult for a while
drifting cloud
when Argus scaled with ilvl it was a shitshow
cobalt pelican
assasination is like not particularly spectacular in world content either
drifting cloud
and it got removed afaik
hollow stone
Talent for leeching poison. Profit.
wooden flax
I'll give wearing all benthic gear a shot tomorrow... see how I feel 😛
(mine the 420 azerite piece of course)
untold current
Can u even get all benthic atm? How do u get that many mana pearls
shy dust
crucible is currently better according to sims
wooden flax
@untold current I did like, 3 hours of content and got 80 something pearls
white basalt
anyone have a working version of details?
wooden flax
You get 1 piece from entry quest. And each piece is 5 pealrs from the vendor, at 385.
so it's pretty easy.
and each piece can be upgraded 7 times
lost sentinel
finally a raid where we get daggers early 😃
wooden flax
LMAO
lost sentinel
btw yes world content is influenced by your ilvl, unequipping gear doesn't make it easier, also higher ilvl is still strong afaik
wooden flax
I was more leaning towards a psychological aspect 😉 if I forget I was 414, and start at 385, I might not feel as bad when doing world content
play to have fun, right?
bleak star
can we que for heroic strom yet?
ornate gazelle
With a MA opener, when's the best time to use Concentrated Flame?
warped wind
what are the best enchants now?
vast pond
So what is this I'm hearing about kimbul's being buffed?
white basalt
details is fucked
if kimbuls is good for sin now im gonna be pissed cuz i gave away my 425
waxen vine
where should you concentrated flame during MA opener, after toxic blade finishes?
onyx rock
A 420 Kimbul is a 2,5k !!! dps upgrade compared to a 415 Dice for me @white basalt
Its totally busted
Cabal Legs are insane too now
white basalt
perhaos its just the sims that are fucked up?
tough whale
Im doing BoD now and kimbuls isnt hitting very hard at all tbh
onyx rock
I cant right now sry i am in my bed
tough whale
I had 7 procs on grong for 64k overall
onyx rock
Seems right
white basalt
meanwhile my details is saying im doing 211k DPS on jaina boat phase xD
tribal marlin
What about new inscription trinket
anyone tried it ?
could be busted too with that update regarding of how fathom was
modest violet
does raidbots take in to account the new trinket scaling
white basalt
there is new trinket scaling?
tough whale
They changed how damage tooltips works on items
so generally all damage tooltip items (kimbuls, fathoms, yulon, etc) do more damage
raven spire
whats the best follower for rogue?
round harbor
dont know that it really makes a difference, but i chose the homie on the right
white basalt
One of them has an aggro range reduction, i bet thatll be the best for farming n stuff?
thin lagoon
I chose far left cuz shes a rogue too
tough whale
Youll have to get all of em up anyway /shrug
raven spire
they all stealth if u do
thin lagoon
p cute too 👀
raven spire
haha
tough whale
vanish DOES NOT make them stealth
surreal solar
Do we know what essences are best yet?
thin lagoon
for ass lucid is best
raven spire
stealth makes them stealth tho
surreal solar
lucid anything else to watch/work toward?
thin lagoon
class discords have the best ones posted
surreal solar
blood requires pvp tho right?
raven spire
yeah
lone junco
@onyx rock pretty sure the sim is busted.
surreal solar
i don't think i'll ever get blood then
tough whale
I dont think youll need it unless major changes come through
FWIW obviously because sims are still fairly (*)
lone junco
you wont use lucid for M+
keen elk
do we have any word on the new weapon enchant yet? outside feelycraft
raven spire
u would use the minor for m+
ashen ermine
im really debating dropping my haste wep chant for the force multi chant
cobalt gyro
why not both
opaque tree
Hi guys, any idea on who is best to lvl up first as a companion?
to rank 3 for lucid
tough whale
^
vapid scarab
you'll level up all 3 anyway
spring iron
So are we done now with EB build in m+?
ashen ermine
idk if it out weighs the mastery chant
vapid scarab
pick the one with the cooler transmog
cobalt gyro
yes
opaque tree
wasn't sure if one of them had a better niche right off the bat
ashen ermine
ahhh
cobalt gyro
there's no way it's worse lol
spring iron
So are we staying as AoE build for now?
cobalt gyro
i mean the new affix isn't out yet so that's a question we can't answer
surreal solar
have talents changed at all or is EP still pulling ahead of MP?
vast forum
MP will likely never pull ahead of EP in pve unless they do something to overtune deadly poison
scenic nacelle
whatever you feel like using
bleak star
lucid dream comes from rank3 follower right?
surreal solar
blood is meant for M+
jovial vault
i take it force multiplier doesnt stack with 2?
shadow zealot
what weapon enchants are best now ?
civic palm
Similar to what you have now, can SIM it.
shadow zealot
from the new 8.2 ones i mean
civic palm
Yeah
inner citrus
so what are the go-to essence to get now? 😮
harsh sphinx
you using curcible of flame miz?
unborn vapor
who's the best sidekick for us? vim?
bleak star
how many days till we can get lucid, 2-3?
spice cloak
oof bfa . fairly dead discord discussion for a new 'content' patch
fiery cradle
2 days
grim canopy
BFA has a lot less players than legion
high ruin
is the pvp quest for the blood essence out yet?
grim canopy
which specs isn't crucible bis
lone halo
@high ruin it is
bleak star
only daily missions level follower corret?
high ruin
any1 else feel weird that a potential bis for pve is locked behind pvp?
grim canopy
yes blizz screwed up
vast forum
nah, it's fine
the one that has potential to be bis is locked behind non-rated pvp
completely fine
woven summit
yo yo, any guides by ravenholdt regarding essenses?
non-rated pvp? well it's fine then yeah
spice cloak
nope dont think it gets updated anymore. crucible isnt even updated on it
woven summit
It says Blood of the Enemy's is the best for aoe and it synergizes great with EB
severe bough
I thought blood of the enemy was also bis ST
woven summit
Yeah both bis lol
If this is true bro, that's very convenient, we'll just use the same major essense for both keys and raids
severe bough
Nice
woven summit
But this is according to bloodmallet sims
severe bough
Im using blood for stormwall prog (just a month of rsading with guild)
woven summit
We'll see whether something changes or something
real bay
wouldn't trust any sims just yet tbh
woven summit
Yeah not 100% to be trusted I agree
severe bough
Yeaj im not even simming
woven summit
Things might change. That's why I'm happy the raids and the new season is not out yet. We got 2 weeks to optimize our characters.
woven summit
I still haven't turned on the game because it's 8am here in Europe, patch just got released.
How's essenses grinding so far?
Any fun? Scale of difficulty?
severe bough
I am having TONS of fun
Grinding blood will be painful tho
100k honor for rank 4
I got 2500 honor before calling it for the day
Also queuing for epic battleground is stupid
woven summit
Grinding blood? What essense is that?
woven summit
ah right
severe bough
The crit essence
woven summit
I see Blood of the Enemy doesn't sim that well on bloodmallet
severe bough
Yeah idk
woven summit
But yeah I guess we should farm the most we can
Don't know what essense where it will be in 2 weeks
woven summit
I guess they are
woven summit
Yeah we shall see. If you say it's powerful for you then it has potential.
reef mulch
Do you need to do the Blood rank1 quest or can you just grind for rank2?
woven summit
I guess you can't use rank 2 without rank 1?
woven summit
Yeah it's a progression
reef mulch
ah ok bummer, pvp islands gon be fun 😛
woven summit
lol
I hate islands the most
But you know I like that they make us do some casual pvp
I always liked casual pvp for fun
and the queues will be faster now
woven summit
APL?
severe bough
So i dont think they are the end be all up until they get optimized
Yeah
I dont remember tye abreviation
meager nebula
Current sims are only very basic
severe bough
But its how the tc program the bot
meager nebula
Action priority list or something
severe bough
To oerform the rotation
woven summit
ah I see
woven summit
I think that sim list will change from day to day now
woven summit
What's on your top 5 essense priority list to grind right now?
Just grind the top 5 that sim atm?
Memory, Vision, Crucible, Focusing Iris and, Life-Force?
and Blood
so 6
severe bough
Blood-lucid-flame(i guess)-vision when mechagon is up
Then idk
Whats focusing iris?
Oh tje one from m+?
woven summit
ah yeah
severe bough
When we prepare for raid
severe bough
Also that
severe bough
Yeah
woven summit
and mythic keys ofc
meager nebula
If you get every essence
You never have to worry when they get nerfed
You can just swap them out
woven summit
Yeah true
severe bough
I may try flame tomorrow on prog, but i doubt it will be better than blood
woven summit
This essense system looks pretty promising so far
peak saffron
does anyone know how to macro Essences to abilities? trying to get Crucible of Flame to work with my Toxic Blade macro, but it doesn't fire. even if I spam the macro since it's on GCD
severe bough
Ts like the master assasin talent in steroids
For 10 seconds
How can i say no to that
I dont know much about macros tbh
Theres time to just press it
When theres no energy
peak saffron
so weird because if you manually type /cast Concentrated Flame, it fires
woven summit
Guess it doesnt work in combination with other commands yet
Only as a solo macro cast
meager nebula
Likely it will get fixed later on
jaunty comet
So, I am getting a little confused looking at some sims and stuff, what are the traits we're supposed to be hitting? Thought my 3x SS, 2x DD and 1 Scent was not shabby
celest mirage
stable pine
can you macro vendatte with blood since they on the same cd?
solemn meadow
what essence do we get?
pale knot
luicd right ?
vestal wren
lucid seems the strongest major
lean coral
@stable pine blood is on gcd
stable plinth
Why is it that when I sometimes exit stealth I don't get my subterfuge buff?
austere ruin
anyone know the new raid trinket are good for sin rogue?
tropic ocean
🤷
woven summit
What addon are you using for dps now? I see details! is not updated
Or is details! working fine despite not being updated since 8 June
tropic ocean
works fine for me
scenic saffron
which benthic gear is best for us guys
woven summit
What benthic gear mean?
raven osprey
you can get benthic gear from najzatar questing, starting at 385 and can be upgrade to 430 i think, but not sure
raven osprey
no idea yet how you upgrade it, maybe with the abyssal focus?
solid nova
Yeah pretty decent overview there
vocal kelp
where do you start the quest for blood essence?
distant mist
vocal kelp
ty
woven summit
Details! is making errors for me saying This version of Details! is being ported to Classic WoW
Guess need to find the BFA version now
what dps addon are you using?
crisp shard
How is it going with the rogue sims?
woven summit
works but it errors all the time
real bay
did you update all addons
woven summit
I disabled details! and it's fine now
It was showing a details error
I downloaded again didn't work had to disable it
I mean it worked showed dps and all but showed error everytime i went in combat
Maybe they'll release an updated version soon
solid nova
New patch, addons usually are all over the place until updated properly, better suited for #wow-general
woven summit
Yeah true my bad
robust cloak
so for those that are raiding tonight like myself, when are you planning on using the concentrated flame active? i'm assuming after first TB window in vendetta and then just on cd
robust cloak
the starter flame one appears stronger no?
rigid mango
Yes
shy axle
why not use lucid? because it need the minor to be good?
coarse solar
Can't get lucid straight away iirc
You need a r3 bodyguard just to get rank 1 of Lucid don't you?
coarse solar
and flame is only a 30s cooldown so not much point hanging on to that cooldown. Use it on CD
eager kernel
if u did all dailies before reset u could have gotten lucid rank1 atleast some1 in my guild has it
strange python
Is Scent of Blood or Undulating Tides trait better?
rigid mango
strange python
they're both relatively weak imo but I can't decide
rigid mango
Both look garbahe
icy ember
!essences
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Essences overview:: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd
solemn meadow
hmm
I have no more quests?
by my mates do? but I can't do anything else I only have 25 players killed and level 3 bodyguard
anyone got a idea?
mystic talon
you need lvl 3 bodyguard
solid nova
Probably #wow-general
raw tusk
has anyone figured the best punchcards yet?
jovial fractal
dunno what im doing wrong, tried macroing Concentrated Flame just onto my mutilate key and it wont activate
solid nova
Afaik its GCD limitations?
jovial fractal
im no pro to this stuff, i guess. Just putting it on its own key
coarse solar
Think Essences can't be macroed at the moment, or at least Flame. Heard several people report the issue when trying to put it into a multi-line macro
opal meadow
why does bloodmallet say lucid dreams gains 500 dps from rank 3
jovial fractal
Ah cheers Cantor
solid nova
@opal meadow I think theres a disclaimer for BM atm, its not quite accurate
opal meadow
All you get is leech?
solid nova
Errors all over the place with a few sims atm
opal meadow
ah
solid nova
Yeah should settle out eventually, just a few things to iron out
So its a soon ™ thing
opal meadow
Makes sense. It did just come out
unreal hornet
is it worth to farm BotE rank 3 asap? At bloodmallet it sims lower than expected
solid nova
Read above, BM sims arent quite stable yet
terse whale
!Essence
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd
spice surge
Bloodmallet uses blood on cd
Instead of lining it up with vendetta, which gave my personal character just above 1k extra dps
And blood is almost certainly the best for m+, so might aswell farm it now during bg event
jaunty comet
Worst part was the PvP Island....that was something else to experience.
distant lava
spice surge
Or so ive been told
jaunty comet
this whole evening.....me and my friends.....
Oh well, least I got my trait setup slightly better optimized. 2x SS, 1x NP and 3x DD
distant lava
I had a friend who played pvp IE in the start of bfa, hehad a lot of fun iirc
spice surge
Well pvp Islands are the same as pve Islands. The most efficient way to win is to ignore the other team
Which is 
jaunty comet
Yeah, we kept for the first few getting harassed by 2 of the other 3 team...was annoying
upbeat geode
idk i tend to kill enemies later in the game when they are worth some AP
spice cloak
was there a quest for this pvp island thing?
worldly iron
the patch is killing the focus of the spec channels 
spice surge
Thats what happens when people talk more than once per hour vani 
jaunty comet
Well I am new to Sin so I am taking in every little bit of info that I can if that helps. 😃
upbeat geode
should we stop stacking crit when we get to 25%? since master assa + Blood of the enemy gives 75% in total?
spice surge
Na
Pot gives 20% too, most likely something else comes out ahead
But well have to see
scenic torrent
Best bodyguard?
tulip kindle
Do we for sure want [Force Multiplier]x2 (new enchant)?
cobalt gyro
most likely force + (your highest simming other one)
sacred hatch
do you need 1 SS? or twist is better?
atomic saddle
Whats the best follower for us my dudes?`
royal lantern
...there is no best follower, and you need too switch anyway because they will not have daily stuff every day
honest heath
!essence
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd
strange python
assume for ma I'll be using lucid dream directly after vendetta?
I'm not sure how useful the energy regen will be but it will at least guarantee 4 env inside tb
maybe the play with 1xnp is to stagger it to my next tb 🤔
safe sluice
!essence
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd
dire lintel
anyone else feeling less powerfull? did they anything depending on weapon dmg?
*change
rigid mango
Assa hasn't had any negative changes
dire lintel
jeah didnt read them either ,but while i was questing on naz i wanst able to kill some of the non elite mobs if ia had pulled 2-3 of them with ilvl of 414
dire lintel
but only getting 10k dps? feeling strange
strange python
Im new fo sin and rogue in general
I feel really squishy
Is that supposed to be the case?
solid nova
Buffed*
onyx rock
Yes i know. Like i said the Tooltip was 11k for me yesterday and now its down to 7k
Whatever ^^
onyx loom
upbeat geode
"most likely force + (your highest simming other one)"
scroll a up a bit to find the comvo, wasnttoo long ago
bleak star
I feel like my rogue is a beast right now, I’m only 410 on her and having An easier time then with my 421 mm hunter
remote latch
"only" 410 xD
crisp steppe
@onyx rock I don't nkow but I know that my 400 kimbuls appears to be doing the same as my 400 electromental
rotund mural
do i wanna save these manapearls for upgrades of idk... i get a belt with crit/haste, then all the way up to max upg?
crisp steppe
I think you can make them go to 425
rigid mango
They can socket too
So if u ewanna high roll, just repeat buy until you get socketed
tall pelican
!essence
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rigid mango
Idk which it is
tropic ocean
no its not
for st its probably vendetta one or the one that summons guardian
and for multitarget blood of the enemy or the aoe fire channel one
misty tusk
Cba playing with the fire one
steep obsidian
did anyone have the issue on mekka torke where he casts the srhink and no one gets shrunk?
really fkn annoying
tropic ocean
assasination stuff
steep obsidian
raiding on patch day ftl
crude canopy
is there a guide on which benthic to upg?
crystal vault
how would be the opener with blood of the enemy/ SS ? like normal 3x garrote then Blood of the enemy normal rotation, or run into them, start with blood and then 3x garrote ?
rigid mango
Are you talking m+ or?
marble hemlock
youd just wanna spam fok with it
rigid mango
^
marble hemlock
so you do the regular opener with 3g>r>fok>r to sustain energy first
and once youve got that sustain secured for the duration of the essence, you pop it and then spam fok 15times
rigid mango
Intuitive gameplay 
remote oak
Big brained cleave rotation
rigid mango
Not a cleave rotation but sure
upbeat geode
i think you should cast it after the 3X garrote. To always have 3 garrotes ticking for the full duration of the blood buff
rigid mango
I think seli is correct
Using it to maximise fok usage is better
Also whenever @marble hemlock says something, the lord has spoken and the word is true
Just saying
upbeat geode
yea that actually sounds really good, i was just looking at garrote dmg
rigid mango
Eb emp fok's with blood sounds quite nuts so
strange python
more mongo fok'ing 
dreamy plover
Can anyone give me a tldr of everything i need to do before raid tonight to be stronk. and is assas still bis.
dreamy plover
what a bae
vapid turtle
Do the intro quest, get flame essence, profit
polar cape
Nazthing zone all of it
dreamy plover
the flame essence is the only one i need?
sudden ravine
It's the only one you'll have time to get before raid that does a decent job
It's like 5% of my total damage
dreamy plover
people are farming blood of the enemy as well do i need that?
rich wren
just get all of them
vapid turtle
You won't use Blood of the enemy over Flame for raid, but it's probably good for m+
rigid mango
Blood's good for m+ bur don't see it being used for raid
When lucid's the pic atm
Until 2nd slot, lucid's the deal, after that we'll see X + lucid minor most likely
scenic torrent
How can i check what level my budoguard is?
quiet abyss
!essences
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rigid mango
Very un assa question my good sir
dreamy plover
We cant get lucid today though can we?
rigid mango
Probs not
dreamy plover
this flame one you speak of i cant find on the tier list so does it means its trash after all the other essences are obtainable?
upbeat geode
its fine for first day heroic but its not that great
dreamy plover
the only rogue i can find thats logged and got a lot of 100 parses on warcraft logs is using blood of the enemy
scenic nacelle
I'm triggered I didn't get blood because the quest bugged on me and didn't give me credit
upbeat geode
quest? i thought you had to win a couple of pvp modes to get it
scenic nacelle
Pick up the quest at Mugambala
rigid mango
Flame is top tier i think
scenic nacelle
The quest requires 1 Pvp island win, 1 epic BG win and 1 random bg win
rigid mango
Idd
Aslong as you have lucid by raid open
Nothing matters that much
Or even next slot
dusky tinsel
how do we know we won't be able to get our follower to rank 3 today for lucid? Is there a lockout on followers until the others do their quests or something?
fallow estuary
You can do it if you did daily's before reset in the morning
couple of guildies have it
i slept to long tho x)
upbeat geode
Bliz was planning to balance essences before mythic opens, do its a good idea to get multiple essences this week, just to be save when the best one gets nerfed
solemn meadow
I feel like epic battlegrounds dont really work
I just did the quest for blood of the enemy
and I was doing ashran with 15 fps and laggs only
I couldnt press anything
marble hemlock
sounds like the epic classic bg experience to me :>
crystal vault
@marble hemlock about the blood of the enemy SS opener. what about rading, like frieda,jade something like that
marble hemlock
idk, i wouldnt play blood in raids i think
if we do happen to play it, then it'd just be used after vendetta
solemn meadow
I mean I will use it till I get Lucid
but I wont get that today
and having 100% crit in opener makes me feel like legion rogue
rigid mango
Uhh there's an advanced one that's not very accurate
solemn meadow
I see
well till there are final sims I will just use what I like the best since there is no progression atm
solemn meadow
ye like I said I dont have it till tomorrow
rigid mango
Until we get 2nd slot
solemn meadow
since I didn't play before reseet
rigid mango
Yeh just saying pre sims
solemn meadow
Blood sounds crazy for aoe situations tho
rigid mango
It's gonna be the go to for m+
hardy mural
is force multiplier good bois
rigid mango
With eb, it's just nuts
bronze kelp
this damn enemy of the blood essence
if u have dots ticking it brings you out of stealth for every single stack u get
rigid mango
Yes.
tame cobalt
is there any sims or anything yet? as i dont see any info in pins
rigid mango
There're some advanced and inaccurate sims
Lucid is too good, the minor is nuts
Until getting 2nd slot lucid is the play
solemn meadow
btw for the opener with MA and Blood
is it garrote muti rupture vendetta blood tb vanish?
like would you blood before tb or after?
inner citrus
wait so lucid for main essence u mean? and for m+ switch it with blood?
solemn meadow
and what will we probably pick as minors?
rigid mango
Lucid
solemn meadow
is the major shit?
hidden plinth
we only pick lucid as major because we don't have a minor
rigid mango
Nah
solemn meadow
I just hope they tweak the initial flame one
that its not the go to ST
since it should just be a "here you go so you have atleast one essence but switch it out sooner or later"
solemn meadow
az dude?
rigid mango
Ye
spice surge
Blood as a major is good though zine
solemn meadow
idk that tho
spice surge
Well yeah but vision doesnt have a minor
rigid mango
Yr
solemn meadow
ye
rigid mango
Nah but it's probs between the three
crystal viper
Ew
rigid mango
Probably?
wraith dragon
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lime marsh
Alright, so now I have my lucid, should I just stack this up with every vendetta? Should I wait until after hero to cast it to avoid energy capping?
And if I do, and we hero on a pull, what do I do then? Delay vendetta? Use it anyways and energy cap? Desync the two cooldowns?
storm pumice
I managed to snipe Lucid today cause I'm a filthy EU nerd who got the dailies done before reset, happy days
woven summit
Is memory of lucid dreams available?
lime marsh
Takes two days of dailies, and the patch was yesterday
You can get it today if you did dailies yesterday
woven summit
Ah so the quest will be available tomorrow
storm pumice
It requires you to get rank 3 Nazjatar follower, I did the dailies at 7AM, then again at 9AM when weekly reset happened
woven summit
Nice thanks
Guess Ill do that tomorrow
Need a bit more to get rank 3 on my follower
lime marsh
The rank 2 requires 10 days of dailies :c
storm pumice
Yeah... I hate Nazjatar already
rigid mango
It looks like best time to use lucid is just whenever you can't cast aka under 50 energy
During vend, post tb post vend energy
But hard to say without sims yet, just an educated guess
storm pumice
Imagine winning the proc lottery and never run out of energy due to the minor
lime marsh
That's how it feels to get a 5 roll on outlaw
spice surge
from somewhat limited test on sims it seems like "use when below 50 energy" is the best
lime marsh
So desync the cooldowns then?
woven summit
Interesting
spice surge
You get under 50 energy during vendetta too
lime marsh
Well, not intentionally, but don't hold them to line it up
rigid mango
Well
woven summit
Yeah you got a point
lime marsh
"ALLOW" them to desync
spice surge
?
spice surge
Dipping under 50 is basicly the same as on cooldown
rigid mango
^
woven summit
Yeah
lime marsh
Except during a hero
hollow stone
Crucible
woven summit
I know Blood of the Enemy
hollow stone
Work on blood
woven summit
Yeah I can see that is just casual pvp
hollow stone
Tomorrow you can get lucid if you do your naz dailies today n tomorrow
hollow stone
And crucible of flame (the one you get just doing story quest)
hollow stone
You can also potential get the one? (Maybe more, idk) from islands
Idk what its called offhand
Pretty sure you get it after 3 islands
woven summit
Ah yeah Ill see whether I can get the quest in port
spice surge
Flames isnt even bad
rigid mango
It seems quite good
woven summit
Yeah I kind of enjoy it tbh
hollow stone
Yea. Its not bad. Anyone test if flames gets MA crit chance added to it?
woven summit
Oh we can get ripple in space by killing 25 ally
Today on EU
So thats another one
rigid mango
Horde*
hollow stone
Oh yeah. Didnt bother with rushing that one. Itll come
woven summit
Yeah true
hollow stone
Ideally, wait for a battle for nazjatar event, and then go to base nodes
Instead of running around hunting ally/horde
hollow stone
Also, the buffs in the zone (pick shit up off the ground) are helpful
Give you that edge
rigid mango
cough #wow-general cough
hollow stone
Should prob get that cough checked out 😎
rigid mango
It's been really rough since essences became a thing
bleak star
dopnt bother on NA, alli here are trash
royal tree
is there a certain benthic armor i should accept?
royal tree
sweet cheers
polar cape
the belt with + abomination dmg
spice surge
Yeah belt is good for early progress
Later on you're probably gonna run the aszhara belt though
scenic torrent
Can i spend manapearl on armor or do we save it to something?
marble hemlock
if you wanna do the murloc trading-game, youll have to get a cloak with the bonus for that one
hallow beacon
Can you skip to first iteration of blood if you get the 15000 honor?
scenic torrent
Murloc trading-game? Do not know what it is, gonna try to google it
maiden forge
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scenic torrent
Only thing i found is some bug or ptr vendor for pearl.
hollow stone
@scenic torrent theres a guide on wowhead. Check out the nazjatar guide and youll see a side quest section for the murlocs w a link to a guide. Its basically zelda trading "game"
scenic torrent
Yeah already read it
Basically need to escort them, buy cloacks for pearls till i get that cloak with bonus effect
And then buy items from murlock for random stuff not pearls
So I can spend pearls on armor or some crafting quest but i dont have crafting professions. Just wanted to make sure its not related to some quest or whatever ...
woven summit
We use any new enchants on weapons now?
empty tide
Force multiplier
empty tide
Agi + your highest stat proc
I’m using force multiplier and quick nav, I think it works the same way as the other ones
Just increases proc rate
woven summit
Force multiplier on main and quick on off?
empty tide
ye, thats my setup atm
woven summit
Cool nice, thanks
night vale
anyone know if the new echnants are good for Sin?
echo jay
Yes as said above force multiplier will probably be on main hand, then best stat on off
spice surge
Doesnt matter which one you have on what
night vale
Thanks 😄
fleet whale
been using lucid dream today... feels really nice
woven summit
Why not 2 force multipliers? They dont stack?
rich wren
it does, especially for just the minor. felt super nice on ptr for testing
marble hemlock
(pradas comment was related to lucid dream, not 2 force multipliers)
woven summit
Yeah :D
night vale
so 2x force multiplier then?
woven summit
Not sure whether the agi stacks
Scav said quick on off if haste is your highest stat
shy dust
Are there sims on the new potions?
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strange python
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woven summit
I got 27% haste and 26% crit meaning i should go haste on off hand?
Quick nav on off?
shy dust
Sim it
woven summit
True that
spice surge
@shy dust New crit pot is like 1k better than old agi
And like 600 over new agi
Lucid st
Blood m+
steel wagon
then after mechagon comes out we want vision major lucid minor im assuming
vestal wren
!essenceranking
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Assassination Major Essence ranking:
ST: Lucid > Iris > crucible > condensed > blood'
AoE: Iris > purification >= blood > condensed >lucidn
Note: This might change slightly with gear and essence rank, do a sim.
spice surge
Vision isnt that good
vestal wren
its just a short-term command, till we have sims
spice surge
Because it literally has no minor
steel wagon
didnt i say vision major and lucid minor when we hit 55
vestal wren
first rank of vision is okay, but it does not scale well with ranks
iris seems busted in aoe for all specs
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empty tide
And with that minor your vendetta don’t line up with vanish
vestal wren
hard to say exactly
empty tide
Strange af
steel wagon
yeah u probably dont want the minor for vision
vision major lucid minor seems broken
vestal wren
essences can impact each other so its hard to say how major + minor peform
vestal wren
also things are in change, as we optimize apl/etc
rigid mango
It is
vestal wren
na got quest reset, so they could do the quest 2 times and get lucid
fleet whale
if you are american or OC yes
dreamy plover
So was the conclusion that 2x force multiplier is bis?
fleet whale
yes
dreamy plover
or 1x + main stat
rigid mango
1x + best stat iirc
dreamy plover
thanks
echo jay
Yeah force doesn’t stack so better to use best stat on other
fierce lantern
New wep enchant
woven summit
@dreamy plover I dont have Lucid
vital haven
is lcuid actually the best st
rigid mango
Yes
vital haven
huh
woven summit
We are going to get that tomorrow
woven summit
Is it bis for ae as well?
rigid mango
It's literally the minor carrying the entire thing, the major is mediocre
Doubt for m+
Blood + eb looks too good
woven summit
Nice
vital haven
ye i was just focusing on the major
woven summit
Will try to get blood today
rigid mango
It's like
solemn meadow
is Kimbul now good?
opal sierra
can't wait to unlock the second slot XD
rigid mango
Yes, it's bonkers corn
fleet whale
i mean the major is really good too
rigid mango
Idk, kimbuls got buffrd
fleet whale
for st at least
rigid mango
No
vital haven
no
rigid mango
It's really not
vital haven
i mean its ok
vital haven
but when you pop cds you already have so muc energy regen already
fleet whale
blood mallet has it has best though