do you have a lock gate in the back
#assassination
graceful shale
we run it behind melee infront of range
bleak spoke
man what then it's even better
graceful shale
not when other mele are apes
bleak spoke
you can get into unfreeze range without dropping it on ppl
neat estuary
Ss > all :/
bleak spoke
press vendetta on cd and set it up so you can TB to 5 cp with 2 seconds left on the ice ring cast
and then with 1 second left you vanish and stay in stealth
and when you get blocked it'll auto break you out cuz of how vanish works
and you'll keep ma buff
neat estuary
Weird interaction but nice to know
bleak spoke
and you get 3 envs in the vendettta tb yeah
tropic ocean
RtB rng barely affects youToday at 9:41 AM
it will be up if you cloak first ring
this depends on your dps
so, no
graceful shale
cool idk about that interaction i'll try it out , I play subterfuge but my MA build isn't that much weaker
bleak spoke
i literally gave the condition
neat estuary
I play subterfuge aswell ... Just feels more smooth to me
bleak spoke
where it would it be up again
it's not going to be up for second ring if you play subt
neat estuary
True
true ingot
Blood of the enemy boiiis :^)
desert jungle
Hey guys is there an essence that is obtained from the conquest cache?
graceful shale
think u need to cap and open the chest the following week. idk if u get credit for looting ur chest from this week tomorrow
strange python
psure its s3 for anything to do w/ conquest, though Im not sure
desert jungle
Alright thanks
nimble tartan
should i skip work or go B)
true ingot
What time do NA servers go up so I can check out streams?
true ingot
mk
mental fiber
skip tomorrow
strange python
Does anyone know if you have to be all caught up on the war campaign to begin the new 8.2 questlines?
worldly mortar
just for the new war campaign
long marlin
@round harbor which essence do you get havent keep up with all the stuff
dusky tinsel
It says 'and' instead of 'or' so I'm not sure if you have to win all 3 for it to unlock or if the tooltip is misleading? 🤔
twin hemlock
Hi guys i wanna start playing my rogue again in the new patch, still good to role assassination?
dusky tinsel
Assassination wasn't nerfed so it'll still be very competitive, always a safe pick
twin hemlock
Okay so sub and outlaw are an option too or best to go assass didn't play rogue for 1.5y
twin hemlock
How do you mean easier to gear.. i don't get the playstyle of outlaw tho, never tried
seems weird to me... preferd combat
empty mirage
Guys, new to assa, two questions 😄
- Which is the best essence for m+ and where to obtain it ?
- Which is the best essence for a raid and where to obtain it ?
Thanks a lot 😄
tiny arrow
No one knows, we're getting sims later today
distant lava
we don't know yet, and we don't know yet
edgy pawn
@twin hemlock you need more specific traits as assa, and the best combos are hard to come by in the new raid
spice surge
For early (ie before the new raids come out, so patchday)
Try to get lucid asap, it seems to be pretty much the best for r1 when we only have the major slot
from my small scale sims with my char atleast
dusky tinsel
are you going to macro lucid to anything or only use it when you're low on energy? I could see it overcapping in some situations, but it will be nice for TB windows for an extra envenom
spice surge
Its on global
And it lines up with vendetta, but even then, its mostly the minor you're after
dusky tinsel
right, the minor is the most important thing for sure
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Azerite Season 2 changes: https://bit.ly/2U86I7o
atomic saddle
I feel like we get some sweet synergy with Ashvane's Razor Coral + Class essence. You can just activate the critical bonus from your trinket whenever Vendetta procs. It makes some good reactionary gameplay and seems like a fun to play to me.
inb4 sims will prove me wrong tho :^)
bronze kelp
so we get a lot more burst windows with that
spice surge
I've started to do some simming now and can tell you that visions is fairly bad on average
It adds a fuckload of variance so sometimes its insane
But on average it isnt really
bronze kelp
someone early today told had some % values on a 620 sec fight. vendetta uptime went from 18% to 30%
dont know if this is a thing, cause i dont play much single target content
spice surge
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nou8oPv4VtY3XgyynccKMh
With ranks 3s (this is my gear, it does have 2 NPs and not 3 though)
NOTE this is based of the ptr numbers, blizz might change stuff today or in the coming weeks so this is not a definitive list
rocky ruin
is Vision proccing NP or not?
spice surge
It procs np for the duration of the vendetta yes
rocky ruin
So you mean 4sec Vendetta mean 4sec NP?
bronze kelp
hm... eleem do you also did some aoe sims ?
spice surge
Na
Havent got around to it yet
And generally apl for aoe is wonkier and more annoying to edit so i probably cant be arsed
bronze kelp
does anyone know if iris dmg is affected by other dmg amplifiers ?
rocky ruin
but do we get also the energy reg from vendetta too in these for 4sec
spice surge
Yes
bronze kelp
so they also cannot crit ?
spice surge
They can
sullen pagoda
disappointing that vision sims so low
bronze kelp
ah okay
sullen pagoda
its only one that doesnt look very boring
bronze kelp
unbound force minor looks pretty nice
spice surge
But visions minor is literally useless
bronze kelp
and i like the idea to time cds around it
spice surge
Yeah this is obv without any special edits to play around them perfectly
Im sure unbound can be higher, but most of the passive damage ones probably not so much
wispy leaf
Vision doesnt Look boring? It's freaking rng, which is boring imho
spice surge
And worldvein is obv gonna be higher if more people are using it
Vision 🙅 http://piclair.com/data/ewahj.jpg
bronze kelp
buuuut, i dont understand this in the assa wowhead guide about unbound force: This minor power has a curious design. It leads to a crit boost but is more efficient in ramping up when you do not critically strike, meaning it somewhat devalues crit. With about 20 RPPM, it will ideally proc every 2-3 seconds resulting in a powerful crit buff for 5 seconds every 40-50 seconds.
spice surge
If you crit too much it wont stack up as fast
bronze kelp
hm... thats true
spice surge
Although assa has enough small instances of damage that it will probably still be proccing at its intended rate
bronze kelp
never thought about that
so aiming for about 30% crit would be more suitable as my current buffed 38% :/
to have a 100% when its up
strange python
does ap scale in the end of week cache depending on the level you do?
or is it just residuum
still haven't done my weekly so dno if i should do a higher key or just a 10
fiery cradle
just tr
strange python
k, ty
inland wyvern
blood is from pvp honor correct?
fiery cradle
yes
spice surge
yes
fiery cradle
no
inland wyvern
and lucid is from najatar questing?
fiery cradle
yes
inland wyvern
thank you 😃
bronze kelp
was it already static ?
vestal wren
so, we lucid now?
spice surge
Yeah until you get the extra minor lucid is just broken
This is my character with all the rank one majors https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/djosptLcp8Ky6VrkPgXv3P
bronze kelp
lucid was from which source ?
spice surge
Questing in najz
bronze kelp
but will it be a thing in m+ too?
spice surge
Then for when you get 2 different slots (and can get the condensed life force)
Prboably not, its probably gonna be blood for m+, but we'll have to see
bronze kelp
i can imagine, that you have to rupture one target less for a constant energy reg on aoe
but as energy reg is not the big thing in m+ due to multi rupt
spice surge
Well that doesnt sound worth compared to getting +25% crit and +35% crit damage for a big burst
bronze kelp
but maybe also purification protocol is a thing in m+
spice surge
Imo
bronze kelp
i just dont like the idea of farming 50k honor
i dont like pvp at all
but in the first weeks it maybe goes fast
bronze kelp
cause everyone that needs blood will farm it
vestal wren
where is guardian from?
inland wyvern
The Eternal Palace Raid
bronze kelp
@tropic ocean u meean crucible of flame ?
bronze kelp
ah okay u mean focusing iris
the easy to obtain m+ trait 😃
thats my feelycraft favourite trait so far
spice surge
Guardian and condensed life force is the same essence fuu
tropic ocean
only thing I feel lacking is on demand aoe without ramp up so
that essence will be nice for me
spice surge
Its just that the spell is called guardian and the essence itself is called life force
bronze kelp
yeah, an on demand aoe burst is really nice
vestal wren
did you run outlaw too?
vestal wren
probably super good for sub/sin
ripe bramble
What's the duration on the Crit Pot?
(over the OLD agi pots that is)
vestal wren
but those pots will be hella expensive
ripe bramble
How about new pots vs crit? since you're doing that 😉
tribal marlin
your base is without any essences ?
spice surge
yes
tribal marlin
no minor or anything
spice surge
Thats my live char ye
tribal marlin
ok ok
ripe bramble
It's just 3 riverbud vs 3 winter's kiss. That's the only crafting cost difference
vestal wren
almost 29, nice
tribal marlin
I push subt to 30k with Lucid but it's 25k base
vestal wren
i wish i would sim that high
bronze kelp
not only you wish
but as im only fun raiding, my st is with 26,9k pretty good i guess 😉
spice surge
http://piclair.com/data/tvzdv.jpg
Theres also new flasks n new food which i am not using here
spice surge
ye new sockets too and stuff
bronze kelp
still 750 dps difference
ripe bramble
is that with MA?
vestal wren
well, i sim significanltly lower then fahwi, so :/ (casual life)
vestal wren
just not playing enough m+ 😛
bronze kelp
😉
vestal wren
playing casual usually does not net to much loot either
(also i am not sure if thats apropritate to say, not having 50 neck)
spice surge
Edited to include the new random dmg pot too
bronze kelp
got tons of gear from m+ thats right, but still stuck at 416 for st and 413 for m+ cause sockets are so damn overpowered
bronze kelp
yeah
ripe bramble
@spice surge Is that with Master Assassin?
bronze kelp
got 8 sockets atm in my gear
spice surge
yes
That is simply just my live character, you can look it up if you want exact gear (its named exactly like my discord name)
bronze kelp
lol, i just read it now, +60 sec stat on sockets now ?
vestal wren
did anyone calculate the effort to go to 55 ?
bronze kelp
lulz
not so far
what do u guys thing of the aoe agi pot? that scales with targets around, up to 1800 agi + ?
i like the idea to have different pots for different situations in m+
vestal wren
that sounds grindy
quartz dew
Didn't they nerf the ap after that was made?
ripe bramble
Emmisaries and daily WQ bring that down significantly
bronze kelp
guess focues resolve has not that big influence in m+ only if big hp focus targets are pull with i guess
bronze kelp
depends on the group and pull sizes
if you have only several big pulls with a big hp prio target, it could be worth it
but in general for higher keys i use pots on trash as much as needed 😉
tame basin
So to maximize dps on sigle encounter fist week I should farm out Blood of the Enemy?
single target*
spice surge
no, lucid
bronze kelp
blood of the enemy will be a good essence i guess, so its sure worth it to obtain it, but i dont guess a hardcore grind is worth it
spice surge
Although this week is the best to farm it hardcore
Because bg event 50% increased honor
bronze kelp
but in the first weeks there will be lot more pve guys in pvp that want to farm for it, so you find faster groups i guess
- that what eleem said
tame basin
Lucid in major + minor?
elfin valley
Thanks for all the info @spice surge
spice surge
Well you only have 1 slot at the start
spice surge
ye
bronze kelp
yep
tame basin
ok
simple meteor
yeah lucid first the blood
bronze kelp
and that will take at least 5-6 weeks
shy dust
Does the sim say when to use lucid ability?
spice surge
Just on cd, it lines up with vendetta anyway
And wastes energy regardless of what you do
shy dust
Oh okay
tame basin
but not just after vendetta, 3-4s later right?
spice surge
Idk i didnt find a dps gain in simc by altering where i used it
spice surge
I think its more worth to use before
So you can use all of your globals in vendetta
(lucid is on global btw)
But as i said, i havent looked into it too much
Perhaps there is a slightly better way
tame basin
Btw you said it line up with Vendetta, isn't it 3m cd?
spice surge
Its 2 min
vestal wren
the initial cd of the essence was higher iirc
tame basin
spice surge
There has been a lot of changes to the essences on over the course of the ptr, so its hard to find a list that has em all 100% up to date
tame basin
ok
shy dust
Where do we put the PTR=1 for the sun btw
spice surge
Before everything else
vestal wren
they lowered it to make it synergize better for specs like assassination for unknown reason
bronze kelp
does anyone know how many of the items you need for rank 3 m+ essence you get from the weekly cache ?
tame basin
Btw how hard/time consuming is to get this essence rank1?
spice surge
Do a few quests in the new zone, literally
vestal wren
rank 1 is usually quite fast
bronze kelp
but rank 1 is not the thing you want 😉
cobalt gyro
sure, but rank 1 is better than having rank 0
maiden forge
can we get "Stabilizing Lens of the Focusing Iris" tomorrow or do we need m+ S3 ?
vestal wren
rank 3 sounds super not nice to farm for the majority
kind gorge
how do you guys think assa will perform in raids in 8.2
vestal wren
good, as usual
spice surge
@maiden forge https://ptr.wowhead.com/guides/heart-of-azeroth-essence-overview#essenceall-memory-of-lucid-dreams
This lists all of the essences and where to get them
kind gorge
do you guys think rogue might be on top 3 of dps on raid ?
spice surge
But no, you need season 3 for that one
bronze kelp
focusing iris is from s3
tame basin
Well I want to get at least rank 1 for raid tomorrow, difference between r1 and r2 are 2s?
spice surge
3s on the major and increased heal on the minor
For lucid, so its not really relevant
The R3 is massive though, essentially 500 passive vers
cold patio
Major Slot will give u major and minor power of the essence?
spice surge
Yes it gives you both
cold patio
k
vestal wren
lucid might be the way to go initially
cold patio
vestal wren
not sure for m+ tho
cold patio
how low will take a 50k honor farm ~
bronze kelp
guess iris is huge for m+ at start
spice surge
Very long
cold patio
^^
spice surge
With mercenary mode and with the bg bonus event it should only take like 20-25 hours
vestal wren
somone was mention it works in worldpvp too
bronze kelp
50% honor gain from weekly, and everyone will farm so queue times will be very low
spice surge
Maybe, the tooltip doesnt state that it does but we'll have to see
raven spire
so blood major/minor, lucid minor, focusing iris minor?
vestal wren
i never tested it, so i cant be sure
spice surge
I've also heard people saying they're buffing ap gains
@raven spire Can only have 1 major atm, no minors
civic palm
Yeah there was something about WQ at least giving much more than normal.
bronze kelp
@raven spire dont think about further minor essences for now and wait for sims, you wont get 55 so fast 😉
raven spire
@spice surge yeah i mean good to aim for
bronze kelp
at the point where you have your 2nd and even 3rd minor, you probably already have everything rank 3 ^^
frigid sleet
btw we talking about lucid but its a minor one right ? so the very first we can get on reset is blood right ?
spice surge
The last minor barrely matters because all minors are garbage compared to lucid
bronze kelp
every essence has a minor and major effect
bronze kelp
u just can only take one major and get the minor of it on top
atomic saddle
Am I the only person that would like Visions to be good and synergize with Ashvane's Razor Coral ?
frigid sleet
ho you get both effect in major slot
vestal wren
yes
spice surge
Problem with vision is that its minor is literally 0 dps (actually negative dps if you dont hold your vendetta)
raven spire
visions was good before they nerfed it
cold patio
how much daily quest we need for rank1 lucid
raven spire
visions good for outlaw
vestal wren
you can sim it 😉
spice surge
@vestal wren http://piclair.com/data/vw6sb.jpg
cobalt gyro
vision is probably good for outlaw in all cases
stark oxide
Is the patch live?
vestal wren
no, will take quite a bit still
but you can sim the essences with ptr data
see #tc-research
trim forge
The idea of lucid being good centers on burst windows?
spice surge
Most of lucids power is from the minor
sly flume
depends on the content you are doing
spice surge
Yeah im refering to ST only
trim forge
That makes sense eleem
spice surge
Its gonna be useless in aoe for assa
sly flume
ah
cold patio
how much xp u can get per day for a bodyguard?
simple meteor
blood of the enemy best for aoe right?
sly flume
if you can get every add in front of you then focusing iris seems good too
and it gives you 10 x 41 haste for attacks
exotic trout
You're able to get 300 baseline Bodyguard EXP a day, but there are some items that speed it up but we'll assume that you don't get any of those.
As Rank 1 requires you to hit Bodyguard level 3, that will take 600 EXP or 2 days of daily quests with a Bodyguard.
Rank 2 requires 3k combined Bodyguard EXP, so that will take 10 days of daily quests with a Bodyguard.
Rank 3 requires 6k combined Bodyguard EXP, so that will take 20 days of daily quests with a Bodyguard.
Rank 4 requires level 30 on every Bodyguard, so that will take 87 days of daily quests with a Bodyguard
From Wowhead @cold patio
cold patio
yeah but u also get xp from wq not only daily quest?
tame basin
So is it possible to get lucid dreams essence first day?
cold patio
wq 65 and dq 100xp
sly flume
not sure for first day but second day for sure
sly flume
Me
distant lava
Still 20 days for rank 3
spice surge
Just in time for mythic 😄
cold patio
realy rank3 combinded https://ptr.wowhead.com/achievement=13704/nautical-battlefield-training and not with everyone ?
vestal wren
but the cosmetics are legendary
blissful moss
Any recommendation for open world pvp talents?
vestal wren
#pvp might help
else just group up and do the standard worldpvp strategy, if you throw 5-10 ppl onto 1 that 1 usually dies
blissful moss
Haha
vestal wren
for raid you probably do
lucid seems to be the best for sin/sub early till you unlock 2nd slot
spice surge
If you only have 1 slot (which you will at the start)
Blood and lucid arent even close
scenic torrent
I am si behind don't even know where the lucid is from... That is the pvp?
spice surge
Questing in nazjatar
vestal wren
you should get rank 2 lucid fairly fast
scenic torrent
Good, my plan was to just go to New zones quest and do world quests
spice surge
Although r2 of lucid is mostly irrelevant
crisp steppe
can't get blood untill raid opens right
vestal wren
rank 3 brings the versa proc, so rank 2 is quite equal to r1
spice surge
Na dw
vestal wren
did you sim rank 2 lucid vs rank 3 blood?
crisp steppe
blood seems nice in m+ for EB
spice surge
@vestal wren No but R3 blood is 150 dps higher than R1 lucid, so i'd assume they're fairly equal at lucid r2
scenic torrent
So basically priority list for rogues sin is grind ao to 55 through world quests, quest in New zones and do grind bgs
brisk frost
sounds cool, i though blood is the go-to for rogues (and almost every other class)
crisp steppe
no it isn't at all @brisk frost
brisk frost
but seems like i dont need to grind that 50k honor
spice surge
And when you unlock a second slot
You put lucid in that slot and put guardian (ie condensed life force) in your major slot
tiny arrow
spice surge
For m+ im not sure though, probably need blood there
tiny arrow
inner tree
wait guardian of azeroth is bis major ?
tiny arrow
Anyone know how much of the fragments for Condensed life force the last three bosses drop?
simple meteor
where you get lucid?
modest oyster
real bay
quests
opal sierra
just finish quests in Nazjatar right?
modest oyster
yep, and rank 3 is obtainable through levelling up bodyguards it seems
opal sierra
I c
opal sierra
for blood the honor points account accumulative or seperately ?
charred canopy
seperately
for rank 2/3 its achievements so its based off the single characters honor
opal sierra
and for level 1 blood I need to win one PvP island expedition , one normal battlegrond and one epci battleground right?
charred canopy
one of each yes
charred canopy
im just hoping me and my guildies dont match someone from the guilds that are racing for rank 1 Kappa
rotund pier
which major essence should we aim for? and where is it from
charred canopy
im assuming blood for m+ but for raiding i dunno
rotund pier
yea raid
opal sierra
I think blood looks strong in raid as well isn't it?
and perfect vision looks good to me as well
grim canopy
afk'ing in AV like inc lassic
rigid mango
Lucid for sure.
grim canopy
blood comes out in 2 weeks right
inner tree
lucid major ?
rotund pier
isnt lucid a minor tho
spice surge
?
vestal wren
you wont have 2nd slot super fast, so ye major
spice surge
All of them are major and minor
grim canopy
pump encenoms
rotund pier
ohh
spice surge
It just depends on if you put them in a major slot or a minor slot (major gives both)
rotund pier
so lucid major for raiding tonight, and its from questing in naj, gotcha, thanks
grim canopy
what will be the fastest way to get honor, rated arenas?
cobalt gyro
Has to be bg's
grim canopy
oh boy
inner tree
and when you have access to more slots lucid still major or another one ?
cobalt gyro
To meet the requirements for the unlock
grim canopy
pain
inner tree
hope it's not blood
opal sierra
I think after we unlock the second slot blood or vision will be the major
vestal wren
sin might be fine without lucid in m+
sub probably keeps lucid minor locked
outlaw is not even that insane with lucid
grim canopy
blood major in m+ is gonna crazy aoe
cobalt gyro
Lucid is kinda meh for outlaw
It's not energu starved
If anything it has too much energy
spice surge
Honor gained from arena doesnt count for the blood farm
cobalt gyro
Yep, bgs only
spice surge
Vision is simply not good (this is just the sim of the strongest ones, vision is worth like half of lucid)
trim forge
makes me want to swap horde for the next two weeks ... my server group alliance is soooo painful
inner tree
so the raid one is actually good
opal sierra
kk I c
spice surge
Mostly because while the major of vision is decent
inner tree
seems heavily time gated tho
spice surge
The minor is literally 0 dps for assa (even a slight decrease if you do use it asap and dont hold vendetta to line up with vanish)
night vale
yeah i mean, im decided now that i dont wanna get blood of the enemy no matter how good it is....
Potentially 50-100 BG's depending on win% and i dont enjoy pvp. Not spending 30 hours + in game doing something i dont enjoy.
inner tree
so ideally you would want to work on lucid and blood until you can swap blood with the raid one
real bay
imagine how much afkers in bgs 8.2 
grim canopy
i kinda enjoy pvp but sure as hell not BGs
rotund pier
guardian drops from azshara i think
grim dock
heard some rumor there are specific bosses in the raid, like wing capstones that drop the essence things
obsidian ruin
@opal sierra its timegated, you need 9 items that drop from raid bosses
grim dock
varying quantity per difficulty
tiny arrow
@spice surge Do you know anything about the drop rates for Guardian essence?
rigid mango
Only from 3 iirc
tiny arrow
3 last bosses ye
rigid mango
It's radiance and 2 other iirc
opal sierra
from all difficaulty?
tiny arrow
I wonder if it's 1/2/3 or 1/1/2/3 or !/2/3/4
inner tree
it would be logical that it drops more depending on difficulty but we don't have that info yet
tiny arrow
I just hope it doesn't work like AP, where if you do normal you can't get from heroic etc
spice surge
@opal sierra Guardian is the same as condensed life force
tiny arrow
And can you skip ranks? Or do you have to go 1-2-3?
spice surge
Guardian is the name of the actual ability and life force is what the essence that drops is called
celest swan
does unbound need r3 to be usefull in major slot?
still sky
so it's gonna take like 2 days to get Lucid still right?
tiny arrow
@still sky Yes
opal sierra
Y we need 2days? Isn’t it just finish quest in new zone?
tiny arrow
You're able to get 300 baseline Bodyguard EXP a day, but there are some items that speed it up but we'll assume that you don't get any of those.
As Rank 1 requires you to hit Bodyguard level 3, that will take 600 EXP or 2 days of daily quests with a Bodyguard.
Rank 2 requires 3k combined Bodyguard EXP, so that will take 10 days of daily quests with a Bodyguard.
Rank 3 requires 6k combined Bodyguard EXP, so that will take 20 days of daily quests with a Bodyguard.
Rank 4 requires level 30 on every Bodyguard, so that will take 87 days of daily quests with a Bodyguard
vestal wren
so you get rank 2 till raid opens
still sky
so you could very theoretically get it today if you got super lucky
grim canopy
rip alts
rotund pier
so if lucid isn't until tomorrow, just use any major essence for raid tonight? is there a prefered one just for tonight
inland wyvern
lucid comes out when servers go up
vestal wren
^
inland wyvern
its from questing
unborn root
No pinned messages on essences. Chat here is going to be hilarious.
rotund pier
oh, so are you refereing to lucid rank 2 above?
civic palm
Pins do not help O _O
rotund pier
taking 2 days of bodyguard quests
shy axle
i don`t get that "yeah use major this essence and minor that one". Is it like mix and match ? Thought you could only use one essence
spice surge
tiny arrow
@shy axle you can use major slot, which gives you major power and minor power of that essence
And then 2x minor slots at 55 and 65 azerite lvl
1 at each that is
opal sierra
Daily quest means world quest?
celest swan
@spice surge u said with second slot we might go life force major and lucid second, is life force major worth it before rnak 3?
opal sierra
And with buddy guard right?
unborn root
Question, do you get the minor power of an essence if you slot it in the major slot?
spice surge
Idk i cant really be bothered to find out
Because thats in like 2/3 weeks
And herodamage/bloodmallet will have done way more inclusive and proper sim than i have by that point
inner tree
yes kaz
near coyote
I feel like level 65 neck is far off
rigid mango
Yes
shy axle
@shy axle but only "one" essence? so major and minor from, lets say, that blood essence. Or can I use the major of Blood and then minor#1 from lucid and so on?
ah man quotet myself haha
@tiny arrow
shy axle
ok thank you
hot flume
Hey folks, do you know if there is a profession to go for for crafted items in 8.2 already ?
spice surge
LW
And then either engi or jc. Engi providing a good helm for relatively cheap and JC will provide you with a bis ring, but it will cost a fortune
vestal wren
i am still not sure if its worth to lvl engineering for the helm + bling
i rly slack with professions
and the only profession worth considering/lvling in the whole xpack is alchemy
spice surge
I mean the most worthwhile is definitely LW
Because it gives you 2 items
and its cheap as fuck
echo jay
If you are fine buying the herbs needed for alchemy then yes
pearl bear
which will be crazy expensive to start
crisp steppe
Engi gets free shield belt too. It's pretty good
fathom pawn
isnt prof discussion better suited to wow general?
echo jay
Yeah ^
crisp steppe
Well it's possible for different profs to be good for different specs.
echo jay
Well engi helm is very good for outlaw, decent for sin. But overall it’s still a good item to get early bc engi is cheap, and many other benefits.
shy axle
why would you just rate it decent ?
thorn edge
imo engi helm is more than decent for sin - especially at the start of the patch
vapid scarab
wowhead
thorn edge
wowhead - and it is a good ST helm (I say good because no OP just GR)
rigid mango
Isn't firsy boss helm garbo?
thorn edge
but for M+ you'd be stuck taking EB + DD
distant lava
first boss drops a shitty head
thorn edge
which is garbo
rigid mango
Indeed
thorn edge
lol @rigid mango like the new pick
vapid scarab
yeah but 4th boss drops helm to. and the beginning is just about getting max ilvl azerite not bis azerite
rigid mango
Others dont 
thorn edge
😦
rigid mango
I mean
vapid scarab
personally much rather have socked legs boots and ring that ill keep well into mythic progression than a helm ill probably replace after 3 weeks
thorn edge
exactly
thorn edge
yeah DD + TTK + GR is good ST (not great cause no OP)
vapid scarab
i mean, so is 2hr flask
not every profession needs to be taken because it provides a shit ton of early gear
thorn edge
so engi + alch... they're not mutually exclusive
vapid scarab
how about
thorn edge
wish the trinket wasn't meh for sin
vapid scarab
whatever you want for whatever reason+whatever you want for whatever reason
the people that it actually matters for are not here sitting in class discords arguing about it
thorn edge
I completely agree - unless you're Method-oriented you shouldn't be pigeon-holed into a specific set of profs
round harbor
Yeah but engi has bres
thorn edge
way to necro the argument
round harbor
That's litterally all I need for it to make it one of my choices
thorn edge
what Squatch is saying is effectively "good for you. you do you"
round harbor
Yeah
To each their own is fair
But there is mathematically a correct answer, it's just not the same for everyone
vapid scarab
mathmatically the correct answer is JC+LW
crisp hollow
are the sims out? my gerbil brain won't be able to figure out what essences to get if not specifically told which ones are major and minor
crisp hollow
ring and 2 pieces + 3 gems i think mathematically its definitely LW+JC
round harbor
Then jc becomes Zero value
bleak star
Jc such a money dump though hardly worth it
round harbor
It's a moving targey
distant lava
free gem switch is giga tho
thorn edge
Yes. I'll also note one tiny advantage of engineering when it comes to crafting is that the engi goggles are azerite so the traits are always the same - don't have to roll the dice on getting the ideal stats as per LW/JC (not that it makes a huge difference... this is just semantics)
shy axle
Sivara is boss#1?
thorn edge
yar
crisp hollow
is anything in the 2nd ring of engi goggles not garbage though?
distant lava
gizmo is k
round harbor
Haste isn't bad
acoustic atlas
You play a rogue, if you do any m+ pushing engi is required.
thorn edge
Barrage is good in M+ and the the ST trait has sim'd well
distant lava
it's not
round harbor
Also the best part of the engi helm is the fact that you'll be able to trade high level azerite instantly
acoustic atlas
Bdk “pushing” lol
shy axle
nice that one of the agi daggers dropps from the first boss this time tough
round harbor
So if a piece is garbage but you get it then it's not a wasted loot
bleak star
The helm is 410 425 and 440 I thought? Thought they did that so world firsts couldn’t trade helms
thorn edge
farming a weapon will hopefully be easier
rotund pier
415 430 445
thorn edge
^^
thorn edge
Yup
rotund pier
yea doesnt require raid mats
round harbor
Nope
rotund pier
u can have a 445 tonight if u farm enough ore
round harbor
Not anymore which is nice
thorn edge
It does require raid mats - in the form of leveling up your forge
rotund pier
eng is nice for qol outside of uber raid gear leetness
round harbor
Also engi helm is good for outlaw and sin which is kinda overlooked
acoustic atlas
It’s gated by mana pearls I thought.
rotund pier
ill take long term eng vs 2 pieces of lw gear
acoustic atlas
Which is going to take like 2 days
thorn edge
No stage 1 of forge is manapearls, stage 2 and stage 3 involve raid item drops
acoustic atlas
Ah ok
thorn edge
this goes for all crafting btw
rotund pier
oh, i misread, thought it didnt require raid drops this time around
shy axle
@rotund pier still not requiring? or did they change it? heard sth. but of cousre that could have been shit talk
shy axle
ok question asnwered
opal minnow
crafting the item itself doesn't require raid mats, the forge to do it on does.
thorn edge
When I last checked you need to level your forge to craft anything - level 1 requires manapearls and levels 2 and 3 require the raid drop. HOWEVER, once you level the forge you can craft as many items for as many profs
short jacinth
Isn't it 75 pearls to unlock? I doubt anyone is getting that many day 1
thorn edge
so you could drop engi and level JC and not need the raid mats again
rotund pier
ahhhh gotcha
acoustic atlas
Yeah I heard preach say 75 pearls is 2-3 days
cobalt pelican
man what is a forge
the more i read this chat the more i have to google
cause i have no idea what's going on
vital haven
The forge in nazjatar
thorn edge
its just a quest thing - there is a "forge" in your home base on Nazjatar. You level it up to craft shit on it
it's
I wouldn't worry about the 75 mana pearls - that is just to craft a 415 (which most already have). You have to wait 2 weeks for raid to unlock to get even level 2 and farming 75 in 2 weeks is nothing
manapearls* (hate this one word nonsense)
vital haven
Whats the rank 2 and 3 req?
thorn edge
definitely a raid item (like breath of bob-salami) but for the new raid
short jacinth
Raid mats
thorn edge
might also require still more manapearls
vital haven
So just unlock rank 1 and leave it alone
thorn edge
depends on where you are gear wise - you could spend some on benthic gear if you need it... by the time (1) raid unlocks and (2) you get the raid mats for Rank 2 you'll have enough manapearls
thorn edge
Benthic azerite can be leveled from 385 to 430 (I'm pretty sure about this) so you could buy and level a benthic piece or 2 as well
though the benthic azerite is pretty meh
at least for sin
The chest is solid for M+ because it has EB+TTK
acoustic atlas
For outlaw the helm is the only decent pc I’m pretty sure. Shoulders are bad for both.
thorn edge
Shoulders are not good
rigid mango
Benthic only goes to 415 for az anywayd
thorn edge
really thought it went to 430?
thorn edge
lolz
acoustic atlas
I saw a guy in full benthic 430 gear on the ptr 2 days ago
thorn edge
I mean if someone on the forums has 385 or 400 azerite and wants to bump it up it would be an option
acoustic atlas
Unless they changed it literally yesterday
thorn edge
wouldn't be surprised - being able to get 430 azerite gear from WQ doesn't really fit the current model
acoustic atlas
It’s 430
rigid mango
They changed it before that
spice surge
It requires quite a bit of farming to get them to 430 though doesnt it?
rigid mango
But doesn't stop people from getting it before then
acoustic atlas
This guy had flying unlocked and full benthic
I’m telling you lol
He was a ptr main
thorn edge
20 to buy a 385 then 50 pearls per 15 item level increase so 120 if it goes to 415 and 170 if 430
acoustic atlas
His name was hehoh DH I was testing beguiling with him
thorn edge
have their been any rumors regarding a nerf to the new affix - I heard it was wrecking even seasoned players
(valid rumors)
rigid mango
Azerite is 425
rotund pier
SERVERS UP
acoustic atlas
Idk I only did a +12 ML, we timed it with 4 people. It’s definitely a learning curve.
425 + 5
spice surge
You'll have the +5 always now though, so they're 430
rigid mango
I'm just saying stuff I heard from crit/OCEblade
Since he's not intending on raiding, he was put down by the idea of it being 415
thorn edge
it is just supposed to be catch up gear
hidden plinth
if i read the chat today correct lucid will be BiS if we only get one essence?
thorn edge
don't think it is intended for more than that
I missed chat earlier - is there now a consensus on essences?
vestal wren
go lucid atm
spice surge
Yes @hidden plinth Unless they changed a bunch of stuff compared to the ptr
vestal wren
but the consens is, wait for simc to update data and re-sim
spice surge
Lucid is 100% the way to go
thorn edge
save me a trip to wowhead - where is lucid from?
vestal wren
quest
thorn edge
lolz
vestal wren
you more or less get it by default
thorn edge
tee hee
opal oyster
is 8.2 live already?
vestal wren
yes
opal oyster
❤
signal flame
!talents
cold patio
was an emessary reset on NA ?
cold patio
y 😃
cold patio
and new rep.
rotund pivot
I love grinding ap
bronze kelp
it will maybe take up to to weeks
quiet abyss
!azerite
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Azerite Season 2 changes: https://bit.ly/2U86I7o
onyx rock
Wait what ? Only 158k ???
vestal wren
haha "only"
spice surge
Well most sources of AP are buffed by atleast a bit
median kernel
Lucid dream is available tomorrow at the soonest correct?
cold patio
yeah was easy to get 80k a week befor and now much more
spice surge
"easy to get" is relative ofc, by doing all wqs yeah. But without doing extensive WQs getting 50k a week is easily doable
cold patio
ofc alle AP WQ every day
north star
any essence sims available?
spice surge
Lucid is the answer your looking for gepeto
More conclusive sims will be released soonish, but for now just know that lucid sims highest when you can only have 1 essence
north star
by 1 essence you mean just the major?
i guess that makes sense, lines really well with vendetta window
thanks
cold patio
yeah but what if u have hero @start i think than u would delay it until hero is over or ur wasting enegry
spice surge
The major always gives the minor too
vestal wren
blood is from pvp
shy axle
yeah
vestal wren
so should be optainable
shy axle
just doublecheking, thanks pal
steel wagon
if im not mistaken blood isnt available until the raid drops/new season?
shy axle
thats why i was asking
could have been the case that the q is only available when the season starts
strange python
im not sure if its true but people are saying if you do a 10, then the magni quest before opening your weekly cache you instantly get rank 2 iris
shy axle
yes, we were wondering if the quest is obtainable nevertheless or needs the season to start
cuz
you never know
tiny arrow
You can do it right away
shy axle
good, thanks again
hasty brook
We feeling good about sin rogue this season?
noble tinsel
waxen vine
scenic torrent
I have a bad feeling like we will be far below mages this time around. Looking from most recent ptr tests. Also essences are golden
Btw is this channel laggiong to anyone else?
spice surge
Why would mages of all classes come out far above rogues
harsh sphinx
🤔
spice surge
They got a very minor buff sure, but they were a pretty long way behind so that minor buff doesnt change much
And from what i've been seeing assa seems to be gaining about the same % damage as them (and most other classes as well)
tiny arrow
Yes, rogue is very bad. Please buff 
tropic ocean
need to reduce shroud cd and buff energy regen
also mutilate should give 4 cp and 5 on crit
tropic ocean
brb making forum thread
neon sedge
Lol
scarlet lark
Hows that new wep enchant looking? the one that grants primary and secondary on proc
i assume navs remain supreme?
lime marsh
AMR isn't too up to date yet I'm going to guess, but it sims better for me than mastery
spice surge
I think its fair to assume you want 1 of the new one
Since its going to be up most of the time
spice cloak
is there an essense pin /guide link?
lime marsh
I'm kinda amazed blood of the enemy isn't #1
spice cloak
hm
spice surge
Blood of the enemy minor is garbage and a 5s increase isnt that big
rocky ruin
@lime marsh in M+ maybe for FoK
spice surge
Yeah its prob gonna be the best for m+
rocky ruin
but Lucid kinda better go get and easier
and you want get your essence fast and not playing pvp for it
spice surge
http://piclair.com/data/1bz81.jpg
This is all of them rank 1 (major, which includes the minor) with ptr data and my current live character
sullen pagoda
is lucid obtainable day 1?
spice surge
The reason blood isnt our best is because it has a 90s cd instead of 120s
sullen pagoda
actually with no minor its useless anyway nvm
sullen pagoda
wait really
spice surge
Yes
sullen pagoda
so you get 2 minors from 2 different majors afterwards
rustic onyx
you have 1 major and 2 minor
vestal wren
yes you get lucid from quest
rustic onyx
aka 1 major power and 3 minor in total at ap 65
sullen pagoda
ok nice
prisma carbon
onyx rock
WTF Kimbuls 415 sims 2,5 k (!!!) more than 415 Dice xDDDD
vestal wren
yes, read pin in #wow-general
onyx rock
Yeah i saw this... just didnt expect it to be THIS busted ^^
prisma carbon
I gave away a 425 kimbuls earlier in the tier 😡
royal lantern
signal summit
vestal wren
iirc lucid can be up to 15% damage increase (on lvl 3)
also there is new food/etc so overall the damage win from 8.2 will be quite noticable
scenic nacelle
So leveling our follower can only be done in Naja?
tribal marlin
I'm concern about base-elem being 29k
with subtly base is 25k and I get 29.5k but I didn't do sims for me assa (8.1.5 sim 27k)
tropic linden
anyone know if the new force multiplier enchant stacks or are we going to want to run 1 nav 1 force?
strange python
which body guard are yall taking?
scenic torrent
@spice surge really? That is wierd, spriest sim with that test to 38
dusky tinsel
so I got my follower to rank 2, is there a way I can get it to rank 3 today or no?
spice surge
wat
The priest sim you're refering to uses a default profile from palace. IE it has full mythic gear from palace, uses new food/enchants/pots and rank 3 essences
The one i linked is my live character (im eu so still 8.1.5) with rank 1 essences added, nothing else
tame basin
So it's no longer needed to do quest and dailys for two days for lucid?
dark crag
warped wind
What’s the best essence to have right now
sick pasture
Lucid ST
Aoe Unknown
manic vale
lucid sims the best atm
warped wind
Can we get it today?
sick pasture
Yes, It's a quest
crisp shard
Is it possible to get an ally to rank 3 day one really?
fast nacelle
nop
crisp shard
As that is the req for lucid dreams
spice surge
And a massive 500ish "permanent" vers on your minor @fast nacelle
fast nacelle
ah okay
spice surge
Since the r3 minor effect of lucid is a vers prco with virtually 100% uptime
opal sierra
how you guys level up bodyguard to rank 3 in day one?
fast nacelle
alright - curious how long it takes to get rank 3
overall i like the essence a lot
but i also liked the one with vendetta.. sadly they nerfed it to not have NP 20s dot every proc :D
tropic linden
its 300 xp to rank 2 and 300 xp to rank 3 so i'm guessing tomorrow as long as you do the dailies
fast nacelle
oh thats cool
untold current
Anyone have a WA yet for concentrated flame?
near apex
hey, a bit of a noob question but does TB increase the damage of NP trait?
spice surge
It does
near apex
sweet, ty
crisp shard
So out of curiosity, is the insanely high simming Kimbuls just busted or innacurately simmed?
cunning urchin
hey guys
spice cloak
sims. grain of salt. you dont just magically get more dps one day
cunning urchin
How do i get the quest to get blood of the enemy?
tropic linden
there was something earlier about trinkets scaling off secondary not primary stats or something like that
crisp shard
Well they did change trinkets scaling @spice cloak so its not magical
tropic linden
so some trinkets are stronger
tough lantern
the new enchants any good?
short token
so what benthic gear should i be going for first? crit/mast legs?
or should we be saving?
rotund mural
will there be a guide for assass essences? since i don't know a clue about these 8.2 stuff
spice cloak
there arent anything about them in pins i can find
scenic nacelle
I really didn't want to have to do BGs for my essence
meager nebula
The wowhead guide is updated for the most part
worn tulip
is it beneficial to stack nothing personal?
tribal marlin
might do some more sims right now stacking NP* could loose up some value but we need to wait a little bit more to have full sims
granite bramble
frigid sleet
does contract already exists for new rep ?
civic palm
ye
strange python
where do you get Lucid Dreams from?
hollow cloak
@strange python was it questline not sure
strange python
Don't see it, but thanks.
civic palm
_>
ripe nimbus
is it possible to get lucid dream today or do u need next set of dailys
civic palm
Not sure how to get the follower exp. outside of the quests they send you on.
ripe nimbus
yah its only dailys
austere wadi
too much to process can't decide on essences to chase lol
civic palm
You don't have many options atm.
ripe nimbus
cant really focus on much atm
austere wadi
my friends want me to farm bgs other friends want me to farm islands
for the tiers
or w/e
austere wadi
kk lmao
frigid sleet
well you can still begin to farm honor for blood essence later right
rigid mango
Blood seems aight
spice cloak
nice ty
white basalt
does the quest for blood of the enemy start automatically once i get into a bg?
well damn blood seems not even that good
what should i aim for in the limited amount of time before raid?
ripe nimbus
its bad for everyone, it might be okay for AoE will have to wait and see
sucks for ST
u have it already
cruicible of flame
white basalt
so literally all i can do for the first day is just use the one i got from the intro quest? and then farm dailys for lucid dreams
ripe nimbus
well u can do other stuff
but for best essences
yah dont have to do much
farm mechagon for cosemetics
white basalt
oh ok cool, think its best to use the Concentrated Flame spell on CD starting at pull? and not worry about syncing it with other stuff
rigid mango
I mean aoe, yes
ripe nimbus
i might not use it in opener because its on GCD and the first cast doesnt do much damage
so i have a feeling it would be a dps loss to use in opener
frigid sleet
I assume it breaks stealth
ripe nimbus
ye
white basalt
yeah i think ill use it right after i pop all cooldowns and stuff. right when im at 0 ernergy
if it uses a global i guess its best to use it when low on energy
rigid mango
Bloodmallet has some seriously conflicting opinions as to what I've seen in actual sims
ripe nimbus
"Essence data is in...partially. Things WILL change with tuning and ongoing implementations in SimulationCraft. So be patient or help improve the simulator."
rigid mango
Ah that big blue bubble I insta close has valuable info? Who coulda thought? 
quasi pewter
does crucible of flame major have a fast projectile? or none at all?
if not then you might be able to use it prepull maybe? idk
tribal marlin
fast projectile but I won't try prepulling it
elfin plaza
Does it break stealth?
ripe nimbus
yes
quasi pewter
apparantly
elfin plaza
like do you have time to even stealth
quasi pewter
thats the question