#assassination | Ravenholdt | Page 3361

final gazelle Jun 22, 2019, 2:47 AM

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i just searched him on twitch

rigid mango Jun 22, 2019, 2:47 AM

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incarnated on twitch

civic palm Jun 22, 2019, 2:48 AM

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He couldn't be asked to change his fucking name one way or the other so now we've this.

rigid mango Jun 22, 2019, 2:48 AM

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What he said

final gazelle Jun 22, 2019, 2:48 AM

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ok, foudn him

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again, thanks for the info, this is way better response than what i was expecting

rigid mango Jun 22, 2019, 2:49 AM

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Np, gl ^^

grizzled crypt Jun 22, 2019, 2:52 AM

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i play both in m+, and the higher the keys get the more i come close in dps with assa

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its just fucking riddicolous how much azerite gear you need with the perfect traits for different dungeons

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with outlaw i just run the same traits for every dungeons

rigid mango Jun 22, 2019, 2:53 AM

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Another reason why there are so many more outlaw players

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GWcmeisterPeepoShrug

grizzled crypt Jun 22, 2019, 2:53 AM

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rupturing a couple of adds and spamming fok with 3 eb on ML 20+ isnt that hard tbh

civic palm Jun 22, 2019, 2:53 AM

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It's not really that much gear.

rigid mango Jun 22, 2019, 2:54 AM

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I mean

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If you think that's the only thing the spec does

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GWcmeisterPeepoShrug

grizzled crypt Jun 22, 2019, 2:54 AM

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i run 3 ss/2ttk 1 eb for KR, 3 EB for ML, 3 ttk for a couple another

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and with outlaw i run the same shit for every dungeon

rigid mango Jun 22, 2019, 2:55 AM

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Yep, that's how the specs work

grizzled crypt Jun 22, 2019, 2:55 AM

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depends on week aswell with assa, but its just alot more gear depend if you ask me

rigid mango Jun 22, 2019, 2:55 AM

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And another reason assa can be stronger

civic palm Jun 22, 2019, 2:55 AM

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You could probably drop the 3xTtK and have it not matter.

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

grizzled crypt Jun 22, 2019, 2:55 AM

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then u prob wrong

rigid mango Jun 22, 2019, 2:56 AM

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I prefer having the choice and flexibility that sin has

grizzled crypt Jun 22, 2019, 2:56 AM

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the amount of time saved, while nuking a prio target is alot most of the time

rigid mango Jun 22, 2019, 2:56 AM

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Also one of its current core strengths

grizzled crypt Jun 22, 2019, 2:56 AM

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i like it alot too

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i just dont have all the pieces i need :/ started to late with rogue

rigid mango Jun 22, 2019, 2:58 AM

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Happens to be the issue with assa

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and why without awesome RNG, outlaw'll most likely still be better early on next season

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Maybe assa pulls ahead after reaching optimal gearing, maybe not GWcmeisterPeepoShrug

grizzled crypt Jun 22, 2019, 2:59 AM

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tbh if you not playing on top keys i dont think it makes much of a difference

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lets see what new affixes bring to the table, shadow adds seem to be aids anyway 😛

rigid mango Jun 22, 2019, 3:01 AM

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Seems to be easier than before now

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with the considerable nerfs it got

lime path Jun 22, 2019, 3:06 AM

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anyone on the PTR sim the new potions yet?

echo night Jun 22, 2019, 4:49 AM

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Are there coming any changes to Assass in 8.2?

rigid mango Jun 22, 2019, 4:49 AM

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Not flat out, no

echo night Jun 22, 2019, 4:50 AM

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Buuuut :p?

rigid mango Jun 22, 2019, 4:50 AM

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But, essences?

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Bound to change something up in how we play.

echo night Jun 22, 2019, 4:51 AM

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Meh

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True

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Essence feels too hyped up tbh

rigid mango Jun 22, 2019, 4:52 AM

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Depends on the class

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Some, like assa, look like it's mostly gonna be pretty menial QoL increase

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Just a better feel for the spec

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Outlaw however, looks like it has a bunch of shit changing up everything

quiet totem Jun 22, 2019, 4:53 AM

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They will change play but doesn't look like more than 1 Legendary would have changed your play really

rigid mango Jun 22, 2019, 4:54 AM

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I mean, I'd say it's more like having an extra talent or two

white basalt Jun 22, 2019, 6:43 AM

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Any clear choice for best essence for raid yet? Anything I can do this Tuesday to get a boost before raid time?

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Starting Jaina progression and hoping to scrape by and get CE

woven summit Jun 22, 2019, 7:43 AM

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When is the new raid released?

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Not right away right?

meager nebula Jun 22, 2019, 7:47 AM

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2 weeks after the patch usually

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with mythic a week after that

real bay Jun 22, 2019, 7:53 AM

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9/10 july

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depends where you are xd

loud pine Jun 22, 2019, 9:01 AM

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hi

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1 qustion about AOE if i use garrote OR rapcure on x1 target this 2 ability share my posion or debuff on all targett ?

distant lava Jun 22, 2019, 9:02 AM

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not sure what you mean by that

unborn barn Jun 22, 2019, 9:03 AM

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oh no djamax 😦 no you're morally obligated to see this trough!

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I think you stepped on a mine

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*now

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*through

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xD

distant lava Jun 22, 2019, 9:04 AM

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hey man I'm here to help other people so 🤷

unborn barn Jun 22, 2019, 9:04 AM

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Thanks for that, on behalf of everyone

loud pine Jun 22, 2019, 9:05 AM

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@distant lava i mean rapture or garrote spread poison on all target ?

unborn barn Jun 22, 2019, 9:05 AM

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@loud pine What even makes you think that?

distant lava Jun 22, 2019, 9:06 AM

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they don't

loud pine Jun 22, 2019, 9:06 AM

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nothing i just see 1x video and i sens

distant lava Jun 22, 2019, 9:06 AM

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fan of knives is your way to apply the poisons in aoe

unborn barn Jun 22, 2019, 9:07 AM

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and bleeds you apply manually 1 by 1

loud pine Jun 22, 2019, 9:07 AM

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can we in asaasin spread rapture buff on alll target or just rapture buff is on x1 target ? i want to know why in aoe rotation we use rapture and garrote

distant lava Jun 22, 2019, 9:08 AM

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you can use your bleeds on multiple targets

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you have to apply each individually

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of course you can have multiple active at the same time

real bay Jun 22, 2019, 9:08 AM

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dont bother with garrote on trash outside stealth with buffed gs

loud pine Jun 22, 2019, 9:10 AM

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this is aoe rotation =rapture on x1 target >fan of knives?

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and how much need haste asasin spc?

distant lava Jun 22, 2019, 9:11 AM

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no haste for m+

loud pine Jun 22, 2019, 9:12 AM

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@distant lava so

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which state have Priority in M_+

mental fiber Jun 22, 2019, 9:14 AM

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http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/

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lots of good information there

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probably answers most of your questions

vestal wren Jun 22, 2019, 9:38 AM

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the wowhead guide is more in detail

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also keep in mind things might change with 8.2 essences, so probably wait a bit to see how they turn out

distant lava Jun 22, 2019, 9:39 AM

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yeah but this person had pretty basic questions, pretty sure the answers won't change in 8.2

waxen valve Jun 22, 2019, 11:28 AM

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So which accessible essence will be our first target at 2 weeks preseason period? (Before mecha and raid openings)

candid jasper Jun 22, 2019, 11:29 AM

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is 3x echo + 3x shroud the best combination this week?

strange python Jun 22, 2019, 11:36 AM

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Depends on dungeon and group

tropic ocean Jun 22, 2019, 12:08 PM

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@candid jasper I tried 3 ss 3 eb and while its very good for overall

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I really feel like I lack dmg to kill down prioritized mobs so I changed back to 1 ss 3 eb 2ttk for most dungeons

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and especially with chain pulling the ss traits lose value

rigid mango Jun 22, 2019, 12:10 PM

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Ttk is just too nice

ripe nimbus Jun 22, 2019, 12:13 PM

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I was messing around with a lucid dream venom rush/master poisoner double dose/TTK build on PTR pure ST it did decent

rigid mango Jun 22, 2019, 12:14 PM

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Did you compare it to regular tb build etc?

ripe nimbus Jun 22, 2019, 12:14 PM

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Nah I was just messing around

rigid mango Jun 22, 2019, 12:15 PM

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besad

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I mean I can imagine it feeling super smooth to play

tropic ocean Jun 22, 2019, 12:15 PM

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maybe master poisoner will get good some day again 😄

rigid mango Jun 22, 2019, 12:15 PM

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I just doubt that VR will ever out damage TB tbh

ripe nimbus Jun 22, 2019, 12:15 PM

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With enough mastery it will overtake EB at some point

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What ever point that is I donno

rigid mango Jun 22, 2019, 12:16 PM

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I don't even think that's gonna happen tbh

ripe nimbus Jun 22, 2019, 12:16 PM

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EP*

rigid mango Jun 22, 2019, 12:16 PM

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Yeah, I doubt MP>EP

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ever

ripe nimbus Jun 22, 2019, 12:16 PM

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It's only a 500 DPS loss for me right now

rigid mango Jun 22, 2019, 12:17 PM

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500 DPS is a lot though

ripe nimbus Jun 22, 2019, 12:17 PM

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That's 2% that's not "alot"

rigid mango Jun 22, 2019, 12:18 PM

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It's enough to make it better for the considerable future atleast

ripe nimbus Jun 22, 2019, 12:19 PM

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For reference at the start of BFA specing MP over EP was a 7% loss with the amount of mastery we have now it's only 2% I'd imagine by the end of the Xpac we will be using MP

sullen pagoda Jun 22, 2019, 12:21 PM

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i hope not

rigid mango Jun 22, 2019, 12:22 PM

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passive damage PogU

ripe nimbus Jun 22, 2019, 12:23 PM

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EP is just as passive lol

sullen pagoda Jun 22, 2019, 12:24 PM

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i think you need to reread definition of passive 🤔

rigid mango Jun 22, 2019, 12:24 PM

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Thinkies

ripe nimbus Jun 22, 2019, 12:25 PM

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Something I don't track and don't even remember it's there

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Pretty passive

spare dust Jun 22, 2019, 12:25 PM

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Then youre just bad

rigid mango Jun 22, 2019, 12:25 PM

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I don't think that's entirely true either tbh

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A lot of the time Ep uptime just comes naturally

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GWcmeisterPeepoShrug

ripe nimbus Jun 22, 2019, 12:26 PM

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Yep I'm bad

rigid mango Jun 22, 2019, 12:26 PM

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Also with a smoother rotation/higher apm play with lucid

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EP is probably even better

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Your uptime should be a bit higher anyways

sullen pagoda Jun 22, 2019, 12:28 PM

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man they need to buff up blindside and make it work with double dose

rigid mango Jun 22, 2019, 12:29 PM

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It'd be fun for sure

sullen pagoda Jun 22, 2019, 12:29 PM

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mop assa pepehands

rigid mango Jun 22, 2019, 12:29 PM

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Another button to press sounds nice

storm pumice Jun 22, 2019, 12:44 PM

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Imagine not having to pool

cobalt pelican Jun 22, 2019, 12:54 PM

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even though pooling is literally doing nothing if you didn't have to pool the spec would be even more boring than it already is

sullen pagoda Jun 22, 2019, 1:02 PM

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like fury war, you are just spamming buttons and none of them feel impactful

balmy cradle Jun 22, 2019, 1:02 PM

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Giving us kingsbane instead of poison bomb and making blindside baseline would be a nice spice up i guess

ripe nimbus Jun 22, 2019, 1:02 PM

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Wtf u mean hitting rampage is the best feeling button in the game smh

sullen pagoda Jun 22, 2019, 1:02 PM

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i dont feel it

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you use it too often to feel good

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look dfa felt good

ripe nimbus Jun 22, 2019, 1:03 PM

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Until u died

sullen pagoda Jun 22, 2019, 1:03 PM

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well there were some bugged hitboxes but with proper positioning it didnt matter

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so its player thats pepega usually

ripe nimbus Jun 22, 2019, 1:04 PM

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Yes but every player has killed themselves with it ur a liar if u say u havent :)

sullen pagoda Jun 22, 2019, 1:04 PM

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ofc i have but it still doesnt change the fact that u just nut when u land big dfas

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while as fury during battle cry you have like what 3 rampages and it doesnt really feel like you blasted

ripe nimbus Jun 22, 2019, 1:06 PM

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I have damage numbers completely off the size of the number has no affect on me

sullen pagoda Jun 22, 2019, 1:06 PM

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thats a pretty boring way to play the game considering how mind numbing rotations are

ripe nimbus Jun 22, 2019, 1:07 PM

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I pay attention to other things like the game

sullen pagoda Jun 22, 2019, 1:08 PM

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not much to pay attention to unless you take some time to intake information

ripe nimbus Jun 22, 2019, 1:08 PM

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Seeing how big ur Crit was isn't information u need tho

sullen pagoda Jun 22, 2019, 1:09 PM

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its not but its there to make game not boring af

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like i have a stream usually open on 2nd screen anyway during farm

ripe nimbus Jun 22, 2019, 1:09 PM

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To each there own I don't get excited over numbers personally

balmy cradle Jun 22, 2019, 1:09 PM

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I think in the case of dmg numbers there is a lot of difference in feeling between some abilitys. Look at fist of fury and eyebeam. Basically the same thing but eyebeam imo feels so much better because there are so many numbers that come fast. Where as fist of fury doesnt feel fury at all feelscryman

ripe nimbus Jun 22, 2019, 1:10 PM

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Or u could turn numbers off and enjoy the animation beweak

balmy cradle Jun 22, 2019, 1:11 PM

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Sound does make a big difference too. Some abilitys just chunk and are nice to hear and some are just plain boring or annoying

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Ofc you can was just an example for dmg numbers

distant lava Jun 22, 2019, 1:11 PM

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I think the case of dmg number and game enjoyment goes to #wow-general

sullen pagoda Jun 22, 2019, 1:13 PM

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pve is just too much of playing mechanically, raiding same thing after months of farm is mindlessly easy 🤷

rigid mango Jun 22, 2019, 1:49 PM

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There are no spec specific ones

compact hamlet Jun 22, 2019, 1:53 PM

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question for you guys... im currently assassination but with 8.2 ive seen alot of multi pulls questing in the new zones, would it be better for me to switch to outlaw if im primarily going to be focusing on those zones?

ripe nimbus Jun 22, 2019, 1:54 PM

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In the grand scheme of things it won't matter

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Follow ur heart

compact hamlet Jun 22, 2019, 1:54 PM

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im currently like ilvl380, i dont raid other than lfr

wooden flax Jun 22, 2019, 2:14 PM

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Assassination has pretty good cleave too

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I run sub + 1x SS, and I can mutil dot 3 mobs with garrotte and just FoK

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you gain combo points pretty quick for you to put rupture on mobs and still cast envenom to finish... it's not outlaw level, but it does get the job done

rigid mango Jun 22, 2019, 2:20 PM

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No it's not outlaw level, it's better

wooden flax Jun 22, 2019, 2:21 PM

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I mean, mobs do die faster...

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I am 413 assassination/outlaw, and honestly, I only play outlaw in M+

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assassination is pretty good for general outdoor content

rigid mango Jun 22, 2019, 2:22 PM

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And does even more damage than outlaw ^_^

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The diff is how much harder it is to minmax stats and pieces for sin

compact hamlet Jun 22, 2019, 2:32 PM

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i was primarily focused on ease of content for the najatar and efficiency

rigid mango Jun 22, 2019, 2:33 PM

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Outlaw is far easier to gear

compact hamlet Jun 22, 2019, 2:33 PM

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didnt want to be in a spot where im focusing on a pack of 2-3 while outlaws are running around gathering a mob and cleaving them down

royal lantern Jun 22, 2019, 2:35 PM

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.......get 1-2 eb and spamm fok

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thats it

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we talk about world content

spice surge Jun 22, 2019, 2:38 PM

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Get 3 echoing blade, then enable warmode with the fok honor talent and spec hidden blades

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Then you'd do way more damage than if you played outlaw

compact hamlet Jun 22, 2019, 2:39 PM

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sounds like a good plan, thank you

waxen valve Jun 22, 2019, 3:11 PM

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I usually add MP/MA/LP too to Eleem's setup. Almost best 1 button aoe with no downtime for grouped mob packs.

tropic ocean Jun 22, 2019, 3:11 PM

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man they should give us flying daggers for m++ :>

vast forum Jun 22, 2019, 3:12 PM

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fok once, whole dungeon pulls

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cuz of the increased radius + splash from eb

spice surge Jun 22, 2019, 3:14 PM

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You wouldnt use MP anyway

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The damage gain from that would be abysmal, its like 1%

distant lava Jun 22, 2019, 3:17 PM

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LP ?

waxen valve Jun 22, 2019, 3:17 PM

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It is mostly for LP, 3 fok if any alive rupture for energy back. Legion shoulder style

tropic ocean Jun 22, 2019, 3:18 PM

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@vast forum imagine crit of the proc crits will chain

waxen valve Jun 22, 2019, 3:18 PM

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But i played some ptr sub/garrote would be better for starting. After you outleveled content that really shines.

spice surge Jun 22, 2019, 3:18 PM

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what do you even mean by lp

waxen valve Jun 22, 2019, 3:18 PM

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Leeching poison wtf cheat death

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:)

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For world content i mean

spice surge Jun 22, 2019, 3:18 PM

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lmao

waxen valve Jun 22, 2019, 3:19 PM

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And for mp theres no other talent useful at that row

spice surge Jun 22, 2019, 3:19 PM

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Well yeah, but you still wouldnt use MP just for that

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2% leech isnt worth losing like 6-10% dmg

waxen valve Jun 22, 2019, 3:20 PM

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Ya youre right at starting because you know new content's mobs will have more hp

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I use that setup for solo boe farm etc

distant lava Jun 22, 2019, 3:21 PM

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wait to people really swap talents for world content ?

wooden flax Jun 22, 2019, 3:22 PM

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sometimes... not very often

rigid mango Jun 22, 2019, 3:22 PM

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Apart from always running Sub for obv reasons

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nah not really

fleet whale Jun 22, 2019, 3:23 PM

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i swap to leeching poison in World content from Cheat Death

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that's about it though

distant lava Jun 22, 2019, 3:24 PM

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have you considered MfD if you're doing world stuff ?

fleet whale Jun 22, 2019, 3:25 PM

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tbh most things die in a couple hits so i don't switch to MfD in World content. Leeching helps if I'm soloing the bigger elite mobs

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and it's just habit for me to use Leeching outside of raid/ M+

distant lava Jun 22, 2019, 3:26 PM

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yeah but exactly you walk to a dude

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you mfd env his ass

waxen valve Jun 22, 2019, 3:27 PM

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Changing talents for 2 seconds. And no subterfuge target swap just 3 fok and way faster easy relaxed wq aoe farm. More comfortable. But especially nazjatar' mob packs not much suitable for this, not too much stacked :)

fleet whale Jun 22, 2019, 3:28 PM

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I would have to switch binds around for MfD, which i'm not gonna do for World content

modest tendon Jun 22, 2019, 4:15 PM

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Can I ask how much dps you guys do overall in assassination compared to when your playing outlaw? I do noticeably more in outlaw but I can’t figure out if it’s that I’m shit with assassination or it’s just the spec (use 3xEB, 2xTTK, 1xSS)

tropic ocean Jun 22, 2019, 4:16 PM

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I do +- 40k, sometimes up to 50k in ml/fh/ur with big pulls and padding a lot

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with outlaw i was around 30kish +- but i have bad gear and never play it so 😄

pearl pagoda Jun 22, 2019, 4:18 PM

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depends on what level key youre doing, if its a meme 15 key you can do above 45-60k, but if youre doing a hard key around 20, 35-40k

modest tendon Jun 22, 2019, 4:18 PM

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Do closer to 40k in outlaw and 35-36 in ass, maybe I just play more carefully in assassination

tropic ocean Jun 22, 2019, 4:18 PM

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@pearl pagoda ? you will do higher dps in higher keys

pearl pagoda Jun 22, 2019, 4:18 PM

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in a 15 key you can pull a quarter of the dungeon at a time

modest tendon Jun 22, 2019, 4:18 PM

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Agree with @tropic ocean

tropic ocean Jun 22, 2019, 4:19 PM

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the pull sizes dont really vary

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by key height

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but trash lives significantly longer in higher keys

void bough Jun 22, 2019, 4:19 PM

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pve assa makes me wanna roll outlaw..but pvp outlaw makes me wanna roll assa feelscryman

pearl pagoda Jun 22, 2019, 4:20 PM

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not been my experience, my tank pulls a hell of a lot more during meme keys because we dont really die

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pvp outlaw is actually painful

void bough Jun 22, 2019, 4:20 PM

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i think my only choice is /reroll dk lol

modest tendon Jun 22, 2019, 4:21 PM

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Why? @void bough frost buffs?

void bough Jun 22, 2019, 4:21 PM

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naw id still play UH if i went DK..was a joke cuz pve assa is terribly boring but pvp outlaw terrible

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cant win pepehands

modest tendon Jun 22, 2019, 4:23 PM

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I like pve assassination, I like the steep learning curve to get good at it

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But I’m probably a worse rogue than you 😛

ripe nimbus Jun 22, 2019, 4:25 PM

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Learning curve?

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I'd put sin and outlul near the top of the easiest specs to play

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Right up there with BM hunter

shy axle Jun 22, 2019, 4:27 PM

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well its subjectiv

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there are a lot of nuances some can do wrong

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some find it "harder", some not

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no specc is that complicated anymore

balmy cradle Jun 22, 2019, 4:28 PM

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No specc should be complicated at its core

pearl pagoda Jun 22, 2019, 4:33 PM

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i just wish every class had its "non spec specific" abilities back like gouge

modest tendon Jun 22, 2019, 4:36 PM

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Homogenising everything is boring though

rigid mango Jun 22, 2019, 4:37 PM

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We already a bunch of same utility

shy axle Jun 22, 2019, 4:47 PM

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seems to be the case after ions youtube video

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lets see

ripe nimbus Jun 22, 2019, 4:48 PM

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Gouge I feel is fine for just outlaw to have.

dark crag Jun 22, 2019, 5:30 PM

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My raid has 2 bm hunters and the 2nd bm never got close to the 1st bm. In a serious tone he asked if the other hunter has the pet attack ability macroed to all his attacks. Now they both are almost the same

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Thats bm hunter for you

ripe nimbus Jun 22, 2019, 5:33 PM

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Hehe

distant mist Jun 22, 2019, 7:26 PM

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I thought that would be a given though :x

sonic spindle Jun 22, 2019, 7:34 PM

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Is there a general consensus for M+ on stacking shrouded vs echoing blades? I’m assuming at least one of each, but do we know if there’s one that does better for general trash pulls?

tropic ocean Jun 22, 2019, 7:35 PM

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only real exceptions to not going 2 or 3eb is tos/kr

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you can play 3 eb 3 ss just fine but it loses value in chain pulls and isn't as effective as 2 ttk but overall ur highest output

frosty obsidian Jun 22, 2019, 9:02 PM

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hi sorry you probably get this q a million times but is it worth to run ct for reaping instead of pb?

rigid mango Jun 22, 2019, 9:03 PM

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Nop

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Pb is just better

frosty obsidian Jun 22, 2019, 9:04 PM

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thanks boss 😃

vast forum Jun 22, 2019, 9:27 PM

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if you're looking purely at reaping, HB is best

grim canopy Jun 22, 2019, 9:37 PM

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which essence for primary

civic palm Jun 22, 2019, 9:38 PM

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🔮

red plaza Jun 22, 2019, 9:38 PM

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pins

tribal marlin Jun 22, 2019, 9:44 PM

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Lucid dream is easy to get and strong enough

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Vision of perfectio nis buged so we can't test

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Unbound force have no real synergy with the spec but is ok by itself (and easy to get)

frosty obsidian Jun 22, 2019, 10:06 PM

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if i am doing only m+, is it better to just play outlaw?

stuck knoll Jun 22, 2019, 10:07 PM

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None of those are confirmed we'll see what's best when sims come out

pale dew Jun 22, 2019, 10:11 PM

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@frosty obsidian for the rest of this season or next season? Cause if you're finishing this season, then outlaw for sure. But next season outlaw def will be a little less strong with no reaping. So assass will def become bit more meta.

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One of the best rogues in m+ plays sin this season so both are def still good.

frosty obsidian Jun 22, 2019, 10:23 PM

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thanks, guess ill just stay sin and see what happens after 8.2

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just came back since early s1

wooden flax Jun 22, 2019, 10:38 PM

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@frosty obsidian They changed the trait that made outlaw good for reaping. Wits in 8.2 procs per blade furry, where as now it procs per enemy hit

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Hence you see in MDI, outlaw just hits blade furry and spam sinister strike like nothing, doing up to 100k dps on big reaping waves

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with that change, and new affix, the meta could change 😄

royal lantern Jun 22, 2019, 10:45 PM

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its somewhat naive if you think that reaping alone is the reason why outlaw is strong lol

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the aoe is still fking nuts, its just slightly slower now

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and gouge, not needing stealth on pull on rogue and vanish as a deff cd etc.....

spice surge Jun 22, 2019, 10:46 PM

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Also, the wits nerf is less than a 2% nerf

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And a substantial buff (~3%) on 2 targets

wooden flax Jun 22, 2019, 10:48 PM

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not saying that it is the only reason.

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shroud is, in my opinion, one of the reason the new affix now has true sight

spice surge Jun 22, 2019, 10:48 PM

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Only the void ones do afaik

wooden flax Jun 22, 2019, 10:49 PM

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watch blizz intentionally put the void one in places people skip the most, ie. bridge in KR

marble hemlock Jun 22, 2019, 10:57 PM

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with the count-increase to KR, youre not gonna skip anything anyway

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you can only skip a single pck now

strange python Jun 22, 2019, 10:59 PM

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so.... i'm hearing different things about haste and mastery... should i be more concerned with getting more haste, or should i be shooting for around 40% mastery?

pearl pagoda Jun 22, 2019, 10:59 PM

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!wa

prisma monolithBOT Jun 22, 2019, 10:59 PM

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Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

royal lantern Jun 22, 2019, 11:03 PM

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haste is good for raids, mastery is good for dungeons

tepid ridge Jun 22, 2019, 11:03 PM

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is there any place where we could read the essences effects etc? it's for making wa purposes not "what's the most OP" or w/e ^^

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I have issues founding something decent ^^

strange python Jun 22, 2019, 11:07 PM

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Wowhead has all the essences plus how to get them. Google is hard.

tepid ridge Jun 22, 2019, 11:08 PM

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Being nice aswell I guess. Thanks.

grim canopy Jun 22, 2019, 11:25 PM

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Are there any good sin m+ streamers

royal lantern Jun 22, 2019, 11:26 PM

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seliathan in this discord is streaming quite often

grim canopy Jun 23, 2019, 12:01 AM

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how much crit do i need to do sin aoe

visual quartz Jun 23, 2019, 12:12 AM

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all of it

grim canopy Jun 23, 2019, 12:22 AM

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lol

white basalt Jun 23, 2019, 12:26 AM

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Tryin to scrape by and get CE. Would I be gimping raid by not going outlaw for jaina?

drifting cloud Jun 23, 2019, 12:27 AM

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pepeclown

vapid scarab Jun 23, 2019, 12:27 AM

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no? whatever spec you play that does the most ST is going to be best for jaina

stuck knoll Jun 23, 2019, 12:28 AM

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Outlaw is better at padding on Jaina just cuz the top logs on Jaina are Outlaw doesn't mean it's better

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Like 30-40% of their damage is blade flurry

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It used to be closer but with the changes sin is just clearly better

white basalt Jun 23, 2019, 12:29 AM

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Ok thanks boys wish me luck

vocal kelp Jun 23, 2019, 12:45 AM

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Does unstable flames gain value in m+ or is like overwhelming power just better

polar cape Jun 23, 2019, 12:52 AM

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Crit is better for aoe

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OP is better on bosses

placid dew Jun 23, 2019, 12:52 AM

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not so sure about clearly better, but we shall see

frosty obsidian Jun 23, 2019, 1:07 AM

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does SS reset when u apply it after u do 3x in subterfuge? used to be bugged in s1, is it fixed?

vocal kelp Jun 23, 2019, 1:10 AM

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its fixed

drifting cloud Jun 23, 2019, 1:10 AM

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yes its been fixed for like 9 months

frosty obsidian Jun 23, 2019, 1:10 AM

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thanks lol havent played in time

white forum Jun 23, 2019, 2:00 AM

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Sorry if this is the wrong channel but I've been gone since 8.0 and was wondering what the best spec to go for mythic+, is Outlaw still top in mythic+

cerulean walrus Jun 23, 2019, 2:05 AM

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#wow-general

tribal marlin Jun 23, 2019, 2:51 AM

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outlaw and assa are both good in mythic+ scenario. Outlaw might be easier to gear than assa tho

cobalt gyro Jun 23, 2019, 3:27 AM

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outlaw is very much easier to gear for sin

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since you eitehr need to be rich as fuck with really good pieces, and reforge for every situation

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or have 3-4 sets

peak saffron Jun 23, 2019, 5:06 AM

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have sims for essences been done yet? or are we waiting until changes are 100% done?

lone junco Jun 23, 2019, 5:11 AM

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whey they are done, you will be able to see charts on herodamage

wary ice Jun 23, 2019, 6:02 AM

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in tyr keys is it worth grabbing a bit more haste than what is reccommended for pure aoe stat priorities?

solar rose Jun 23, 2019, 6:05 AM

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Depends on the build / dungeon, generally it's better to gear for 90% of the dungeon(trash) instead of the bosses, unless you're not worried about time and more so worried about living the boss.

short pivot Jun 23, 2019, 6:19 AM

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I tried switching from 3xeb 2xss 1xttk to 3ss 2eb for tyr, i found it being not worth since you do 2-3k more dps on bosses than the other dps but in aoe you suffer and my total ended up dropping from 30-34k to 28k whichh i found displeasing so sticking with 3eb i guess

solar rose Jun 23, 2019, 6:25 AM

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I'm really enjoying 3eb 2ttk 1ss in majority of dungeons, it's nice not being tilted when people chain pull when I ran 3ss

midnight flower Jun 23, 2019, 7:29 AM

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2 ss 2 eb 2 ttk

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Balanced af

feral knot Jun 23, 2019, 8:17 AM

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so do we have a guid on what essences will be best for on on tuesday?

tropic ocean Jun 23, 2019, 8:22 AM

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no

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they are not live

severe bough Jun 23, 2019, 8:30 AM

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Even if no real info is posted

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Which essence you think i should aim first?

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Especially on day/week one?

hidden plinth Jun 23, 2019, 8:44 AM

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bote and lucid drems

sacred rose Jun 23, 2019, 8:53 AM

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Hello I have a little question about Aoe, In a nice aoe pack should I use as many rupture as possible or is there a sort of cap when I should start using envenom instead of rupture ?

tropic ocean Jun 23, 2019, 8:54 AM

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only as much rupture to sustain energy to spam fok

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so 4-5

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in opener 3x garrote 2x rupture and u will be fine until garrote runs out

severe bough Jun 23, 2019, 9:11 AM

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Thanks

short pivot Jun 23, 2019, 9:33 AM

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also if u playing EB, throw in a rup or env with ttk from time to time before big fok spam

distant lava Jun 23, 2019, 9:34 AM

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if you do that for the EP window , it's not worth it

short pivot Jun 23, 2019, 9:35 AM

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idk man not the EP window per se but sometimes the buffed fok after env on prio target hits rly hard

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so EP+ttk buff = stronger fok after seems rly nice in some situations

distant lava Jun 23, 2019, 9:36 AM

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I mean sure if you want to dmg a prio target down ofc you env

short pivot Jun 23, 2019, 9:36 AM

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it rly depends on pack size etc..

distant lava Jun 23, 2019, 9:37 AM

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but if they are many targets that you want to spam fok on just keep bleeds up so you're neutral on energy then spam fok like a madman

short pivot Jun 23, 2019, 9:37 AM

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yeah idk im in more of the add more ruptures camp with EB

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EP*

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love how it plays out

distant lava Jun 23, 2019, 9:39 AM

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see it that way

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even if you fit

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4 foks inEP

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you get 40% fok dmg + the dmg of the finisher

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from that global

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if you just fok instead you get 100% fok dmg

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which in the case of big packs (basically when you want to spam fok) , the finisher will not make up for the 60% of fok dmg you lose

short pivot Jun 23, 2019, 9:42 AM

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i cant support my claim with math tbh but for instance what i do is i rupture the first time after ggg then i spam fok and after 5-6 of EP falling off i add a rup or envm then spam fok

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also if u rup a low hp add in addition to the EP u get a full energy bar and etc..

distant lava Jun 23, 2019, 9:43 AM

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rupturing a target if you need energy is necessary and you should do it

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I'm just talking about the weaving in a ttk env in there if you don't want prio dmg

short pivot Jun 23, 2019, 9:46 AM

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yeah idk man one env on an aadd that has more hp and needs to die faster is always needed in most situations

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or lost soul or w/e

distant lava Jun 23, 2019, 9:51 AM

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yeah that's what I'm saying, if you want prio dmg, you env the target with more hp

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but if you want pure aoe dmg (maybe on a pack where mobs all have the same base hp for example) it's not worth to do the envenom

short pivot Jun 23, 2019, 9:53 AM

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yeah cant disagree to that but idk how to explain the feel of it its always highly situational

unborn vapor Jun 23, 2019, 11:18 AM

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Is vision of perfection with 3 traits of NP not looking desirable? Seems proccing a ~70k bleed would be good.

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Unless i guess when vendetta procs it doesnt trigger NP.

polar steppe Jun 23, 2019, 11:55 AM

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hi guys does nothing personal double stack give me anything whatsoever?

worldly iron Jun 23, 2019, 12:02 PM

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more damage on the dot

bleak spoke Jun 23, 2019, 12:30 PM

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It’s a lot of damage

tribal marlin Jun 23, 2019, 12:37 PM

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It does but only for 35% of the duration. Also it's currently bugged on PTR so it's hard to say if it's good or no

stuck knoll Jun 23, 2019, 12:39 PM

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How's it bugged?

tribal marlin Jun 23, 2019, 12:43 PM

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there is a bug that prevent regular Vendetta cast to trigger NP when using Vision of perfection

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so Vision Procs does apply NP for 35% of duration, but regular vendetta no longer apply NP (edit: once Vision proced once, and persist even if you swap th essence. Only way to fix it is to relog)...

stuck knoll Jun 23, 2019, 12:43 PM

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Oh that is weird

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Hadn't heard of that

sullen pagoda Jun 23, 2019, 12:44 PM

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Can someone confirm it please

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If that goes live...

tribal marlin Jun 23, 2019, 12:44 PM

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Go on ptr and see, at the start Vision was procing NP for it's full duration

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then they modify it so it only proc 35% of duration, but since then there is the bug

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was still here yesterday but maybe it got hotfixed with today's hotfix

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The essence is gated with season3 start and OP:Mechagon so there is still 2 week for theim to fix this

unborn vapor Jun 23, 2019, 12:50 PM

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Hopefully it gets fixed. Even at 35% it's still a~20k dot over 7 ish seconds

tribal marlin Jun 23, 2019, 12:51 PM

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Tbh I don't like it. Proc rate is lame (sometime it proc 2 time in 5sec so it's almost useless because it doesn't refresh NP dot, sometime it doesn't proc at all for 2mn, sometime it procs when you have 0 energy...)

rigid mango Jun 23, 2019, 12:51 PM

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I would've just assumed they made it so NP is only as long as vend

tribal marlin Jun 23, 2019, 12:52 PM

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And it also desynch Ventta and Vanish/2m trinkets

rigid mango Jun 23, 2019, 12:53 PM

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Yeah, that was an issue from the start

tribal marlin Jun 23, 2019, 12:54 PM

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Since Lucid dream is now sync with Vendetta CD

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it's active ability is now pretty god for assa

rigid mango Jun 23, 2019, 12:54 PM

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Having the minor is sorta like either playing without a minor or losing value

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Yeah, it looks pretty aight

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Just a bit boring

tribal marlin Jun 23, 2019, 12:55 PM

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Not that boring, it reduce pooling and downtime by like ... a lot xD

rigid mango Jun 23, 2019, 12:55 PM

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It's boring

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Doesn't do much

spice surge Jun 23, 2019, 12:55 PM

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Idk i still dont think the active of lucid looks very strong, since you're already mostly gcd capped during bl

rigid mango Jun 23, 2019, 12:55 PM

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Just higher apm and smoother spec, which is nice for sure, but it doesn't bring much

spice surge Jun 23, 2019, 12:56 PM

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Although the minor looks like a given

rigid mango Jun 23, 2019, 12:56 PM

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Yeah

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Idk it just looks something you wont play around

spice surge Jun 23, 2019, 12:56 PM

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Obv where you dont have bl it will allow a couple more globals during vendetta

rigid mango Jun 23, 2019, 12:56 PM

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Just more of a QoL thing

tribal marlin Jun 23, 2019, 12:57 PM

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No it does increase damage

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it's not just qol thing

rigid mango Jun 23, 2019, 12:57 PM

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Yeah obviously

tribal marlin Jun 23, 2019, 12:57 PM

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but ye I get your point

rigid mango Jun 23, 2019, 12:57 PM

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But it's nothing interestinf

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If it didn't give dps we wouldn't touch it ResidentSleeper

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Eleem, when do you think we'll use it during vend

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The major

spice surge Jun 23, 2019, 12:58 PM

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I mean, its 15s so it covers most of it

tribal marlin Jun 23, 2019, 12:58 PM

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it's active makes you GCD capped during the whole vendetta + next TB (if using at a wisely moment)

spice surge Jun 23, 2019, 12:58 PM

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And you dont need it for the first 3 seconds of vendetta when you have the vend regen

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So

tribal marlin Jun 23, 2019, 12:58 PM

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It's passiv makes you GCD capped during TB most of the time

rigid mango Jun 23, 2019, 12:58 PM

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Just after that?

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Lose out on a vend gcd for it

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Sounds aight

spice surge Jun 23, 2019, 12:59 PM

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Idk, is it on gcd?

tribal marlin Jun 23, 2019, 12:59 PM

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yes it is

rigid mango Jun 23, 2019, 12:59 PM

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Uhh good question actually

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I aasumed it was

tribal marlin Jun 23, 2019, 12:59 PM

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basically you should (unless high rng on passif proc) hitting 0 energy right after the TB

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use it at this moment (you don't loose a global)

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then you keep being GCD capped without really overcap the energy, and it will remain until the next TB cast.

spice surge Jun 23, 2019, 1:04 PM

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Idk we will probably end up using it, since most other essences have been gutted and/or align poorly with vanish

tribal marlin Jun 23, 2019, 1:04 PM

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ye :/ unfortunately it's the only essence that have 2mn cd ....

unborn vapor Jun 23, 2019, 1:04 PM

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What does lucid dream do again? Im holding my kiddo and being lazy lol

tribal marlin Jun 23, 2019, 1:05 PM

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Active : Increase all source of energy refund by 100% (including poisonous bleed and following passiv) (15sec, 2mn cd)
Passiv : Chance on hit to refund 50% of the energy spent.

unborn vapor Jun 23, 2019, 1:07 PM

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Oh dang. So tons more energy then. Anything to speed the spec up im okay with lol

royal lantern Jun 23, 2019, 1:08 PM

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it will not really speed up the spec tbh

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unless dumping energy into envenom is that much of a change for you

tribal marlin Jun 23, 2019, 1:08 PM

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You'll still have pooling downtime

royal lantern Jun 23, 2019, 1:08 PM

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you will probably still want too safe energy for the next tb etc.....

tribal marlin Jun 23, 2019, 1:09 PM

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Less pooling and more suited TB (no shit timing with dot going to fade etc...) but the core of pooling ressource outside of TB windows will still be here

spice surge Jun 23, 2019, 1:17 PM

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Tbh looking at it more it doesnt even seem good. Looking through my logs im casting 15 or 16 spells during my vendettas without BL (so 15/16 out of 19 available gcds)

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Sure getting another envenom and 2 mutilates extra in every vendetta i dont have bl isnt worthless, its just not very impactful. Although having a full energy bar afterwards is fairly good

bleak spoke Jun 23, 2019, 1:20 PM

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That being said with good pooling and a bit of luck you can get three envs in your second Tb to begin with

spice surge Jun 23, 2019, 1:20 PM

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But i'd wager i would be able to fit 17 or 18 with simply the minor of lucid

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So its more like 1 muti+env and a full energy bar afterwards

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But like, is getting 1 more envenom and 1 muti buffed by vendetta worth more than having 35% more crit damage and 25% more crit on your tb+vendetta spells? My gut instinct says no

bleak spoke Jun 23, 2019, 1:21 PM

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^

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The extra crit alone might end up meaning extra envenoms

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Man like the more I look at the essence choices the more it seems like we’re actually just playing nightstalker and doing blood major with vop minor and living with a weird 1:40 cd

tribal marlin Jun 23, 2019, 1:26 PM

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This is what is does

📎 Lucidguard.png

royal lantern Jun 23, 2019, 1:27 PM

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''they are the same picture meme''

tribal marlin Jun 23, 2019, 1:27 PM

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If you look closely you'll se higher sustainer dps on lucid, but higher burst on guardian

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(both picture are around same dmg)

bleak spoke Jun 23, 2019, 1:27 PM

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I mean like

tribal marlin Jun 23, 2019, 1:27 PM

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https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/YtgaKBvbh7C3fqHr/#fight=2&type=damage-done&source=1

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https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/YtgaKBvbh7C3fqHr/#fight=1&type=damage-done&source=1

bleak spoke Jun 23, 2019, 1:29 PM

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like in the first one you have 85% of mutis cast in env buff and the second one you have 80%

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you really can't compare the two

edgy ember Jun 23, 2019, 1:31 PM

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is there an estimate for what essence would be good on assa?

stuck knoll Jun 23, 2019, 1:33 PM

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Tbh Lettuce I don't see you running vision if you're not running the major

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Or it'll be the 65 slot

tribal marlin Jun 23, 2019, 1:34 PM

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Should I have 100% of muts cast in the env window ?

bleak spoke Jun 23, 2019, 1:34 PM

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bro like, your opener is inaccurate

tribal marlin Jun 23, 2019, 1:34 PM

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I don't pretend playing perfectly

bleak spoke Jun 23, 2019, 1:34 PM

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no but the difference is pretty different

tribal marlin Jun 23, 2019, 1:35 PM

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ok no this one is shit

bleak spoke Jun 23, 2019, 1:35 PM

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like in a good log on live without essences on a big st fight <82% is a giga parse

tribal marlin Jun 23, 2019, 1:35 PM

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forget about last one

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there are BL and all shit

bleak spoke Jun 23, 2019, 1:35 PM

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err >82%*

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@stuck knoll yeah i forgot, need neck levels ugh

tribal marlin Jun 23, 2019, 1:37 PM

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Well that also what Lucid dream (mostly passiv effect) do or at least make easier to do (more mut in env buff)

bleak spoke Jun 23, 2019, 1:38 PM

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that's the point i was making it's hard to compare

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especially since dd procs are the most rng part of assa dam

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and even on live it's like top 3 sources of damage on a good log

tribal marlin Jun 23, 2019, 1:38 PM

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Also the guardian is strong in a real situation since as you said is hardly doable to have that much uptime on a real mythic boss

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better burst windows are usually more suitable with real fights where you have time after a transition to fully do your CD rotation before shit mecahnics come .

bleak spoke Jun 23, 2019, 1:40 PM

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the point i'm trying to make is like it's hard to imagine a world where you get more out of lucid major than lucid minor

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regardless

tribal marlin Jun 23, 2019, 1:42 PM

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Ye I definitly agree with you. Unfortunately I couldn't test Major + Minor combo on PTR so I only tested essence as Major

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but at least for the first week if I had to choose one it would probably be this one

stuck knoll Jun 23, 2019, 1:45 PM

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Well sims will be out soon hopefully so we won't need to rely on tests to know whats best

tribal marlin Jun 23, 2019, 1:46 PM

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Doing tests make me hyped for the patch :3

storm pumice Jun 23, 2019, 2:10 PM

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:3

tropic ocean Jun 23, 2019, 2:39 PM

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CANT WAIT TO FARM NECK ON ASSA HYPE

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Sinscheme

bleak spoke Jun 23, 2019, 2:40 PM

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Man you sound as excited as I’m feeling

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To be doing new and exciting questlines

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Gaining reputation with new and exciting friends

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And exploring new and exciting island expedition destinations

tropic ocean Jun 23, 2019, 2:41 PM

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yes

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I was really excited when they removed portals so I could travel long forgotten continents again

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I can't wait to bring my assa rouge the glory of old days

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assa rouge 4 lyfe

sonic bridge Jun 23, 2019, 2:46 PM

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islands and exciting

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PepeLaugh

sullen pagoda Jun 23, 2019, 2:49 PM

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yes traveling around the world for 30min is immersive and its fun ask classic players omegalul

daring basalt Jun 23, 2019, 3:22 PM

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I am leveling rogue atm. When I hit 120 should I go for ass or outlaw? for pve

rigid mango Jun 23, 2019, 3:22 PM

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Both are very godo

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down to personal pref

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Outlaw is easier to gear, assa has more specialization

grim canopy Jun 23, 2019, 3:44 PM

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is assa as hard as they say to gear?

rigid mango Jun 23, 2019, 3:45 PM

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It's a pain to maximise, yeah

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The fact that there's more or less 2 sets you need, one for m+ and raid

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and even then, you swap pieces depending on encounter and pieces depending on affixes/dungeons

shy axle Jun 23, 2019, 3:47 PM

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saying a mix of SS/EB/TK for dungeons and DD/NP/TK/SS for raids sounds a lot more accesible

rigid mango Jun 23, 2019, 3:47 PM

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I mean

feral knot Jun 23, 2019, 3:47 PM

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i like assasination sure outlaw can be fun i just dont like roll the bones

rigid mango Jun 23, 2019, 3:47 PM

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Ttk isn't even taht good for raid

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Thing is, there's more than azerite

grim canopy Jun 23, 2019, 3:48 PM

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I guess while playing outlaw i will eventually get the gear w/ the right azerite to switch to assassin

rigid mango Jun 23, 2019, 3:48 PM

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Stat pieces in general, trinkets

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EVERYTHING

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Reeeee

sullen pagoda Jun 23, 2019, 3:48 PM

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cant wait for that SS ruinous bolt chest as my 1st one in new season

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i cant escape it

rigid mango Jun 23, 2019, 3:49 PM

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Can't wait for sang monstrosity x3 before getting goraks

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happy

shy axle Jun 23, 2019, 3:50 PM

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still it is a okayish trait you wouldn`t say no to under the right circumstances

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see cephalo

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ye man you are right

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hoping for gorak a little bit earlier this time

rigid mango Jun 23, 2019, 3:51 PM

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TTK is subpar

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the only thing that makes cepha better is op

sullen pagoda Jun 23, 2019, 3:51 PM

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ceph is overwhelming power carrying the chest

shy axle Jun 23, 2019, 3:51 PM

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if it stays the "go to". Still wondering if the essences will shake up the assa azerit "raid meta"

rigid mango Jun 23, 2019, 3:51 PM

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It's not ttk

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It's far from bad

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but I wouldn't put it in the top traits with dd/np/ss

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bbi

shy axle Jun 23, 2019, 3:52 PM

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yes thats why i said under the right circumstances in regards to ceph

sullen pagoda Jun 23, 2019, 3:52 PM

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all in all gearing assa is pain af

rigid mango Jun 23, 2019, 3:52 PM

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That's still like, weird

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Cuz it's still not ttk

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It's op.

shy axle Jun 23, 2019, 3:53 PM

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well, you do you man, no problem. Still it is the combination of all - there is still a line how far op can carry the piece

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okayish, like I said. Just feels like everyone jumps on the wording without reading it properly just to point out "Thats wrong"

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chill my dudes

rigid mango Jun 23, 2019, 3:54 PM

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I'm not jumping on it

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You just count ttk in the top traits, which is incorrect

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It's on the basis of that another trait carries the piece to the point of BiS

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It's not ttk being good enough to warrant BiS status, it's the fact that OP is so good

cobalt pelican Jun 23, 2019, 3:55 PM

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blighted tribe gang

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it was my first 2 in bod

rigid mango Jun 23, 2019, 3:55 PM

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That's why everytime people ask for BiS tratis

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I specify cepha and the reason behind it, so people don't think going around picking TTK is a good overall choice when there're better options

shy axle Jun 23, 2019, 3:55 PM

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i said it is okayish, counting it in under the right circumstances

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people just need to read it

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pepehands

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but fine

rigid mango Jun 23, 2019, 3:56 PM

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"saying a mix of SS/EB/TK for dungeons and DD/NP/TK/SS for raids sounds a lot more accesible"

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I'm just saying, that's a very blanket statement

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If you specify cepha

shy axle Jun 23, 2019, 3:56 PM

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thats why i wrote more

rigid mango Jun 23, 2019, 3:56 PM

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All gucci gang

shy axle Jun 23, 2019, 3:56 PM

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to it

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ye all fine, no prob

neon sedge Jun 23, 2019, 4:11 PM

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Anyone have an idea about what essence we should be aiming for (pve raid/dungeons). I know the are constantly changing numbers but any thoughts?

rigid mango Jun 23, 2019, 4:11 PM

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Lucid it looks like

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For raid, that is, for m+ it looks like blood, but could be anything tbh

steel wagon Jun 23, 2019, 4:21 PM

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i like the pvp one.

rigid mango Jun 23, 2019, 4:22 PM

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Cool

rotund stone Jun 23, 2019, 5:42 PM

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pvp one keeps getting nerfed, the raid essence seems to be bis single target for most classes, or lucid/vision

rigid mango Jun 23, 2019, 5:43 PM

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Lucid one seems good for assa.

silent silo Jun 23, 2019, 6:12 PM

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!wa

prisma monolithBOT Jun 23, 2019, 6:12 PM

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Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

serene sierra Jun 23, 2019, 6:16 PM

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So for lower mythic plus keys should I be rocking tempest or poison bomb?

rigid mango Jun 23, 2019, 6:16 PM

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PB

tropic ocean Jun 23, 2019, 6:22 PM

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ROCK HB 3 EB AND PAD YOUR WAY TO VICTORY

wide stone Jun 23, 2019, 6:26 PM

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what talents do i run if i have 3 TTK, 1 Meticulous Scheming, 1 SS and 1 NP?

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ive tried simming, it didnt give me a conclusive reslut

old quartz Jun 23, 2019, 6:26 PM

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what traits are ppl runnin for high keys, 19+

rigid mango Jun 23, 2019, 6:27 PM

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ttk/eb/ss

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any mix is good

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2/2/2, or higher ttk/eb

old quartz Jun 23, 2019, 6:27 PM

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ty ty

red saddle Jun 23, 2019, 6:50 PM

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!azerite

prisma monolithBOT Jun 23, 2019, 6:50 PM

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Assassination Azerite Season 2 changes: https://bit.ly/2U86I7o

sick cradle Jun 23, 2019, 8:07 PM

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What legendaries are you guys using for timewalking, if you're even bothering with that?

tidal jetty Jun 23, 2019, 8:15 PM

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cloack with Eb should be fun

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if it works

lost sentinel Jun 23, 2019, 8:34 PM

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are azerite traits changing for s3?

rigid mango Jun 23, 2019, 8:35 PM

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None

atomic willow Jun 23, 2019, 8:50 PM

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@old quartz I'm runnin 3 EB 2 TTK and 1 SS......luvin it as always

vague eagle Jun 23, 2019, 8:52 PM

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when does one take exsanguinate over toxic blade? Swapping from outlaw feelsyarrman

atomic willow Jun 23, 2019, 8:53 PM

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i roll with TB in everything now M+ and raid @vague eagle

spice surge Jun 23, 2019, 8:54 PM

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@vague eagle Essentially never atm, possibly with the new essences but its doubtful

vague eagle Jun 23, 2019, 8:59 PM

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thanks for the quick answer 😃

untold current Jun 23, 2019, 9:03 PM

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Been outlaw in m+ this whole patch. Whats the ideal traits 3EB.1 TTK and 2 SS? Or some mix like that?

rigid mango Jun 23, 2019, 9:04 PM

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2/2/2

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3 ttk/eb 2 ttk/eb 1 ss

untold current Jun 23, 2019, 9:05 PM

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And aoe rotation is same? 3-4 targets just keep ruptures, fok for cps and envenom? Big packs rupture 2 - 3 targets, then fok with EP buff?

rigid mango Jun 23, 2019, 9:09 PM

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More or less, sure

untold current Jun 23, 2019, 9:16 PM

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Anyone have a good guide for reference?

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M+ only obviously

rigid mango Jun 23, 2019, 9:17 PM

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Nope, I'm afraid not

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Not that I know of

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Maybe the wowhead guide has it there? but I doubt it

untold current Jun 23, 2019, 9:17 PM

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dont think so

rigid mango Jun 23, 2019, 9:18 PM

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It's more or less

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2 target muti for cp fok for dmg
3-4 fok for build and finish on prio target(s)
5+ fok spam unless you have prio target to pump envenoms into

untold current Jun 23, 2019, 9:20 PM

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so for 2 target - go garrote 2 target, muti for cp's into 2 ruptures, then fok?

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garrote with SS

rigid mango Jun 23, 2019, 9:20 PM

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Yeah always ss so

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uhh sorta like

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0-2 cp muti, 3 cp fok, 4-5 finish

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Since fok deals more dmg, but muti is way better at gaining cp

untold current Jun 23, 2019, 9:21 PM

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right

rigid mango Jun 23, 2019, 9:22 PM

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You garrote 3x -> rup -> build -> rup -> build env

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3-4 is just garroting 3 thinsg, rupture on 2, build w fok spend with env on higher prio target(s)

untold current Jun 23, 2019, 9:23 PM

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Gotya

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And 4+? Still rupture for regen?

rigid mango Jun 23, 2019, 9:24 PM

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5+ you garrote 3 and rupture 2x

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5 bleeds = inf energy

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you don't garrote though, unless empowered

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So no garrotes after the first 3

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You just decide whether to spam fok or just pump env damgae into prio target

vapid scarab Jun 23, 2019, 9:26 PM

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don't forget you can rupture snipe stuff to as it's dying for more energy

untold current Jun 23, 2019, 9:26 PM

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but u want to envenom for the EP buff tho right?

rigid mango Jun 23, 2019, 9:26 PM

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Not really

untold current Jun 23, 2019, 9:26 PM

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even for big foks

rigid mango Jun 23, 2019, 9:26 PM

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You space your ruptures out

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after getting all your bleeds

untold current Jun 23, 2019, 9:26 PM

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ohhh ya rupture gives ep

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duhh

rigid mango Jun 23, 2019, 9:26 PM

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The first ones you do as fast as possible though

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But when you have inf energy, and garrotes are falling off soon

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you start to space your ruptures out

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to get ep and keep energy reg up

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and like he said, sniping low hp targets with rup ends up with energy influx and you can keep on spamming

untold current Jun 23, 2019, 9:30 PM

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Good info, thanks for it

rigid mango Jun 23, 2019, 9:31 PM

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Gl 😃

fleet acorn Jun 23, 2019, 9:35 PM

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Is there a situation where we need to apply the unempowered garrotes ? I mean, except for the 2-target cleave. In this season it doesn't really matter, but i struggled with it a lot in s1

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on 3-5 targets is it worth it?

rigid mango Jun 23, 2019, 9:36 PM

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No

fleet acorn Jun 23, 2019, 9:36 PM

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or just stick to ruptures and wait for vanish

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ok, thanks

fleet whale Jun 23, 2019, 10:23 PM

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So since it's likely that we'll have to use the crucible of Flame essence at least for the first raid night, you think it will just be fire on CD?

rigid mango Jun 23, 2019, 10:24 PM

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I've not seen any sims suggesting we wont be taking lucid yet

fleet whale Jun 23, 2019, 10:24 PM

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i'm talking about the first day

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of the patch lol

rigid mango Jun 23, 2019, 10:24 PM

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Oh

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You said first raid night so I was confused a bit

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I don't see a reason not to

fleet whale Jun 23, 2019, 10:25 PM

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i meant first raid night when the patch comes out, so BFD

rigid mango Jun 23, 2019, 10:25 PM

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Ah kk

fleet whale Jun 23, 2019, 10:25 PM

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it's kind of weird to use im gonna be honest

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at least on opener, cause it costs no energy

rigid mango Jun 23, 2019, 10:26 PM

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I mean is it on the GCD?

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I'd assume so

fleet whale Jun 23, 2019, 10:26 PM

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yes

rigid mango Jun 23, 2019, 10:26 PM

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Then idk

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Idk if it's worth while casting during vend

fleet whale Jun 23, 2019, 10:26 PM

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it's probably fine to use mid fight

rigid mango Jun 23, 2019, 10:26 PM

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It'd be worthwhile casting if you're pooling

fleet whale Jun 23, 2019, 10:26 PM

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just the opener with all of our resources overflowing

spice surge Jun 23, 2019, 10:27 PM

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Last time i checked none of the dmg essences were affected by vendetta damage bonus

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So you probably use it before and then vendetta

rigid mango Jun 23, 2019, 10:27 PM

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Oh really?

icy ember Jun 23, 2019, 10:27 PM

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which ability you talking about? the first night of the raid

spice surge Jun 23, 2019, 10:27 PM

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Wednesday

rigid mango Jun 23, 2019, 10:27 PM

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Flame essence

fleet whale Jun 23, 2019, 10:27 PM

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the first essence you get

spice surge Jun 23, 2019, 10:27 PM

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As in, this wednesday (or tues if NA) where you wont have access to all the new ones

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Since they require rep/new raid kills/lots of pvp etc

icy ember Jun 23, 2019, 10:28 PM

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interesting

fleet whale Jun 23, 2019, 10:28 PM

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lucid is possible to get before the new raid launches, i doubt you can get it the first day the patch comes out though

icy ember Jun 23, 2019, 10:28 PM

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what does lucid require?

rigid mango Jun 23, 2019, 10:29 PM

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Quests

fleet whale Jun 23, 2019, 10:29 PM

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bodyguard to level 3

rigid mango Jun 23, 2019, 10:29 PM

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Rep shit

fleet whale Jun 23, 2019, 10:29 PM

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so basically doing dailies and WQs in Nazjatar

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with your bodyguard

icy ember Jun 23, 2019, 10:29 PM

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so there really isn't any difficult to get essence

fleet whale Jun 23, 2019, 10:30 PM

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no, some just take more time

vapid scarab Jun 23, 2019, 10:30 PM

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the r4s are the ones that are supposed to be difficult

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and they're cosmetic

icy ember Jun 23, 2019, 10:31 PM

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i hope the r4s are worth it

rigid mango Jun 23, 2019, 10:31 PM

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If you care about visuals, sure

icy ember Jun 23, 2019, 10:31 PM

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hell ye KKool

rigid mango Jun 23, 2019, 10:32 PM

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If we get a good azshara kill I'ma be rocking taht one purely for flex reasons

icy ember Jun 23, 2019, 10:32 PM

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is there anywhere that shows what the rank 4 cosmetics are for rogues?

rigid mango Jun 23, 2019, 10:33 PM

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Not seen any, no

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Ask in transmog/wow general and see if anyone knows

fleet whale Jun 23, 2019, 10:48 PM

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they are probably universal for all classes

tardy jay Jun 23, 2019, 11:15 PM

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!guide

prisma monolithBOT Jun 23, 2019, 11:15 PM

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Assassination Guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/

waxen vine Jun 23, 2019, 11:20 PM

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any rogue specific guides up for essence?

rigid mango Jun 23, 2019, 11:22 PM

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Not yet

tribal marlin Jun 23, 2019, 11:48 PM

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Maybe just dive into a few bg and get Blood of the enemy ?

spice surge Jun 23, 2019, 11:50 PM

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Its not "a few bgs" though

rigid mango Jun 23, 2019, 11:50 PM

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It

spice surge Jun 23, 2019, 11:50 PM

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Its a lot of bgs

rigid mango Jun 23, 2019, 11:50 PM

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is a good few

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It's a fuckton of bgs

tribal marlin Jun 23, 2019, 11:51 PM

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well for rank 1 I'm pretty sure you only need to win 1 RBG, 1BG and 1 pvp island

rigid mango Jun 23, 2019, 11:52 PM

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Aye

spice surge Jun 23, 2019, 11:52 PM

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Well rank one isnt very powerful

tribal marlin Jun 23, 2019, 11:52 PM

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still better than flame rank1 I assume

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for day 1 purpose

spice surge Jun 23, 2019, 11:53 PM

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Idk im not so sure

fleet whale Jun 24, 2019, 12:23 AM

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i think it's kind of funny that rank one has a 2 min cd yet after that it's a 1.5 min cd. It makes sense but i feel like sin rogues would prefer 2 mins just cause of vendetta lol

onyx rock Jun 24, 2019, 12:41 AM

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I think its win a pvp Island/bg/whatever IN season 3. So no day 1 use anyways

spice surge Jun 24, 2019, 12:47 AM

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Nah it has nothing to do with seasons

vast forum Jun 24, 2019, 1:08 AM

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"becomes unobtainable in season 4"

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sounds legit

tawny shell Jun 24, 2019, 1:16 AM

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i dont want to grind for Blood of the enemy ):

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seems really good in this testing tho

grim canopy Jun 24, 2019, 1:16 AM

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putting essence in BGs is mean

spice surge Jun 24, 2019, 1:16 AM

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You think you dont, but you do

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:^)

grim canopy Jun 24, 2019, 1:16 AM

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I rather do pet battles

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doing pvp in wow after playing actual pvp games oof

vast forum Jun 24, 2019, 1:17 AM

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i'd rather have pet battles removed from the game

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with an official apology by blizzard

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for adding them

opal oyster Jun 24, 2019, 1:19 AM

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should i use 3 SS for raid?

rigid mango Jun 24, 2019, 1:21 AM

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Depends on the encounter

grim canopy Jun 24, 2019, 1:25 AM

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how hard is getting 3 EB

austere ruin Jun 24, 2019, 1:25 AM

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hello

grim canopy Jun 24, 2019, 1:26 AM

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looking to go full time Ass in 8.2

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all in Ass

austere ruin Jun 24, 2019, 1:26 AM

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what do u guys think of the new essecnce "vision of perfection"

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stack 3 X NP

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to me seems one of the best essence

grim canopy Jun 24, 2019, 1:27 AM

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Lucid

spice surge Jun 24, 2019, 1:31 AM

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Idk man, lucid seems garbage to me, idk why people say it looks amazing

rigid mango Jun 24, 2019, 1:31 AM

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Lucid seems good thanks to the minor less so major

spice surge Jun 24, 2019, 1:31 AM

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You're already casting 15 of the 19 globals in vendetta

strange python Jun 24, 2019, 1:31 AM

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Just get lucky and get all your bis azerite right away @grim canopy

spice surge Jun 24, 2019, 1:32 AM

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With lucid you get 18 globals in vendetta

strange python Jun 24, 2019, 1:32 AM

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It's easy bro

grim canopy Jun 24, 2019, 1:32 AM

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How about one of the dmg ones? 2min cd

spice surge Jun 24, 2019, 1:32 AM

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The minor probably makes it 16 without the major, so youre essentially getting 1-2 mutilates and/or 0-1 envenoms

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And then a full energy bar after vendetta, but that doesnt seem worth it compared to other things

rigid mango Jun 24, 2019, 1:34 AM

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Idk what's gonna be bette rtho

austere ruin Jun 24, 2019, 1:34 AM

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i say "vision of perfection"

spice surge Jun 24, 2019, 1:35 AM

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Does vision still apply a full NP? or is it like 35% duration?

austere ruin Jun 24, 2019, 1:36 AM

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it should

rigid mango Jun 24, 2019, 1:36 AM

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it's small

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aslong as vend

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6-7 sec afaik

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got nerfed

austere ruin Jun 24, 2019, 1:36 AM

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so it got nerf...

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sigh

spice surge Jun 24, 2019, 1:36 AM

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All of them got nerf hard kayo

strange python Jun 24, 2019, 1:36 AM

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It is lil boi NP now

grim canopy Jun 24, 2019, 1:38 AM

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for m+ which essence instead of VOP

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as major

rigid mango Jun 24, 2019, 1:39 AM

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Blood

spice surge Jun 24, 2019, 1:39 AM

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Blood easily for m+

rigid mango Jun 24, 2019, 1:39 AM

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Probs

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I don't see any other being better

spice surge Jun 24, 2019, 1:40 AM

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Tbh i think blood will be the goto for ST too, especially with the new crit pots, unless they hard nerfed those too. Either that or like the focusing iris bullshit

rigid mango Jun 24, 2019, 1:40 AM

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Afaik untouched

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but not checked

harsh sphinx Jun 24, 2019, 1:41 AM

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plus dagger from first boss, rejoice. Sinscheme

vast forum Jun 24, 2019, 1:41 AM

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tbh, with hero/lust, you can have 20 globals in vendetta, as its gcd gets reduced by haste

spice surge Jun 24, 2019, 1:42 AM

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Well yeah, but you get that regardless of lucid or not

grim canopy Jun 24, 2019, 1:42 AM

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I been watching sin M+ vids damn bro the aoe is way crazier than i thought

spice surge Jun 24, 2019, 1:42 AM

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And also, lucid major is on the gcd afaik

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So you only get 19 then

vast forum Jun 24, 2019, 1:42 AM

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yea i meant in your "16 of 19" thing 😄

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you can lucid then vendetta? 😄

spice surge Jun 24, 2019, 1:42 AM

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Or if you use it before you waste a fuckload of energy

vast forum Jun 24, 2019, 1:42 AM

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ye tru

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probably not worth

strange python Jun 24, 2019, 1:43 AM

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It is very good with 3eb and big crit

grim canopy Jun 24, 2019, 1:43 AM

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i did sin all of legion in m+ i loved it but it looks crazier now

spice surge Jun 24, 2019, 1:43 AM

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But like the 16/19 thing is only relevant outside of bl when comparing lucid, since you dont have empty globals during vendetta+bl anyway

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@rigid mango Ye focused resolve pot still untouched, 20% crit for 25s is pretty bonkers

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Thats like having your blightborne be guaranteed poggers

rigid mango Jun 24, 2019, 1:47 AM

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aPES_Think

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Seems giga strong

spice surge Jun 24, 2019, 1:47 AM

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It is cancelled if you attack another target though

rigid mango Jun 24, 2019, 1:47 AM

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ye ik

spice surge Jun 24, 2019, 1:47 AM

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But assa doesnt do that anyway so we gucci

strange python Jun 24, 2019, 1:50 AM

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"Damaging a new target"

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What uhhh exactly does this wording mean

rigid mango Jun 24, 2019, 1:50 AM

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aint it scuffed like

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auto attacking them

spice surge Jun 24, 2019, 1:52 AM

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Idk

strange python Jun 24, 2019, 1:53 AM

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Hmm

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Real noodle scratcher

austere ruin Jun 24, 2019, 1:59 AM

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what do u guys think of the trinket in Eternal Palace?

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for ass

tribal marlin Jun 24, 2019, 2:27 AM

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sorry didn't see it has been said

tawny shell Jun 24, 2019, 2:38 AM

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lucid dreams feels good actually on ST

rigid mango Jun 24, 2019, 2:39 AM

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Yeah

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I can bet

tawny shell Jun 24, 2019, 2:39 AM

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blood of the enemy burst is insane

glacial jasper Jun 24, 2019, 2:44 AM

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Even after the nerf hammer

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?

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5 sec only allows at best 3 globals

tawny shell Jun 24, 2019, 2:50 AM

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your envenom with MA is very large

grim canopy Jun 24, 2019, 3:26 AM

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with no more reaping will 3x eb still be good

rigid mango Jun 24, 2019, 3:31 AM

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Reaping isn't as much as you think it is, I think

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It'll come down to how much damage you need for the beguiling adds more than lack of reap

grim canopy Jun 24, 2019, 3:40 AM

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so EB still good on 4 targets ?

rigid mango Jun 24, 2019, 3:41 AM

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eb is good at 2 targets

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just not always

glacial jasper Jun 24, 2019, 4:06 AM

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@tawny shell yea it’s just that at best you will get one envenom

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On the debuff I mean

reef peak Jun 24, 2019, 4:09 AM

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Any idea on what Essence is BiS or we all still fuckin clueless?

rigid mango Jun 24, 2019, 4:10 AM

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Lucid for ST, blood for m+

dull osprey Jun 24, 2019, 4:10 AM

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Whats the advantage of running sin > outlaw in m+? I know that outlaw is insane cleave, so is it based on team comp? When does sin out perform outlaw in AoE situations (using EB and bleeds)

rigid mango Jun 24, 2019, 4:10 AM

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Is the general consensus atm

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sin has a higher dps ceiling

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Sin has the function of prio target damage

reef peak Jun 24, 2019, 4:10 AM

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Triple Echoing can do just as good as Outlaw

dull osprey Jun 24, 2019, 4:10 AM

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So with god tier crit

rigid mango Jun 24, 2019, 4:10 AM

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It's just under outlaw

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You have to realise both are insane atm

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every other dps spec is far beneth both

reef peak Jun 24, 2019, 4:11 AM

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I restored 2 items that had echoing blades so i could get triple echoing and I can do like 150k dps with reaping up

dull osprey Jun 24, 2019, 4:12 AM

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do I need trip echo for it to be worth using?

rigid mango Jun 24, 2019, 4:12 AM

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No

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You can run 3ttk and be valuable in toher ways

reef peak Jun 24, 2019, 4:12 AM

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2 is decent but 3 is where its at for insane aoe

tribal marlin Jun 24, 2019, 4:12 AM

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I just noticed something on PTR with lucid dream passiv

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when having lucid dream minor passiv, pooling is not something you want to do

reef peak Jun 24, 2019, 4:13 AM

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i run 3 EB, 2 TtK and 1 SS

dull osprey Jun 24, 2019, 4:13 AM

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cool... been pigeon holed as outlaw with friends and need some spice in my life, know what I'm sayin

tribal marlin Jun 24, 2019, 4:13 AM

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you have to, at least keeping around 100 energy in order to be able to do 2/4mut in TB but you really don't want to pool more, because the more time you spent pooling, the less time you spend casting and thus the less Lucid dream proc you get

dull osprey Jun 24, 2019, 4:13 AM

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How much crit do we want (inb4 all of it)?

rigid mango Jun 24, 2019, 4:13 AM

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35%

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Is a good aim

dull osprey Jun 24, 2019, 4:14 AM

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.>

rigid mango Jun 24, 2019, 4:14 AM

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After that I put all of it into mastery

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and haste is garbage

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i'm running 5% atm

reef peak Jun 24, 2019, 4:14 AM

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Im kinda newish to Rogue, Is pooling just auto attacking til you have a lot of energy back?

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Really? I'm at 25% Crit 20% Haste and 28% Mastery

tribal marlin Jun 24, 2019, 4:15 AM

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basically outside of Vendetta/TB windows, you don't want to spent ressource for nothing

rigid mango Jun 24, 2019, 4:15 AM

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Haste is poopie

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monkaW pinging someone else

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like

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as soon as you reach 3 targets you get inf energy nearly instantly

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aka 5 bleeds

tribal marlin Jun 24, 2019, 4:16 AM

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so you want to use Mutilate only if you have evenom buff. So basically you will go to a certain amount of energy, use an evenom, spent some energy for 1-2mut then start pooling again

rigid mango Jun 24, 2019, 4:17 AM

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For m+ that is @reef peak

reef peak Jun 24, 2019, 4:18 AM

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Im more worried about raid

rigid mango Jun 24, 2019, 4:18 AM

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It's good for raid

reef peak Jun 24, 2019, 4:18 AM

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Cause I just have an awful time playing Sin if I have no haste

rigid mango Jun 24, 2019, 4:19 AM

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Yeah

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2 sets my dude

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I've got 3 sets, 2 for sin 1 for otl

reef peak Jun 24, 2019, 4:20 AM

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damn

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Doest matter. Gotta rebuild it tuesday 😛

rigid mango Jun 24, 2019, 4:20 AM

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Yep

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Still looks like outlaw might be top, but we'll have to see

grim canopy Jun 24, 2019, 4:21 AM

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but gotta kill those beguiling dudes fast

reef peak Jun 24, 2019, 4:21 AM

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I switched from Pally like a month ago. So im still trying to figure shit out

grim canopy Jun 24, 2019, 4:21 AM

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sin is better for that i thought

rigid mango Jun 24, 2019, 4:22 AM

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Outlaw can have perma 2 buff

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or close to, anyways

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Regardless, sin look poten

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potent

grim canopy Jun 24, 2019, 4:23 AM

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does benethic gear include azerite

rigid mango Jun 24, 2019, 4:23 AM

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yes, buit limited at 415

grim canopy Jun 24, 2019, 4:23 AM

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Random traits?

rigid mango Jun 24, 2019, 4:23 AM

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it's all there

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just google it my dude

grim canopy Jun 24, 2019, 4:23 AM

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mk

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i liked leggos better than traits lol

rigid mango Jun 24, 2019, 4:25 AM

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Unlucky

dull osprey Jun 24, 2019, 4:30 AM

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Am I basically just spamming FoK and rupture on as many targets I can tab target to then maintaining those bleeds and getting an envenom when ever I can?

rigid mango Jun 24, 2019, 4:36 AM

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2t: 0-2 cp muti, 3 cp fok, 4-5 finish
3-4t: spread bleeds, build with fok pump envenoms into prio target(s)
5t+: spread bleeds, mongo fok and ignore finishers unless it's to refresh bleeds with ruptures, if there's an obivous prio target, pump envenoms into said target instead

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Rupture snipe often to gain an influx of energy

dull osprey Jun 24, 2019, 4:39 AM

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coo

river vessel Jun 24, 2019, 5:04 AM

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anyone update on what essence is looking to best for ST right now?

rigid mango Jun 24, 2019, 5:04 AM

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Lucid

bronze kelp Jun 24, 2019, 5:37 AM

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@dull osprey you usually want to have 4-5 bleeds running, for constant energy reg in aoe situations

dull osprey Jun 24, 2019, 5:43 AM

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Dang that seems hard keeping garrote and rupt up on those targets

raw gull Jun 24, 2019, 5:44 AM

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Sup y'all, what it do

icy ember Jun 24, 2019, 5:46 AM

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Patch 8.2 Changes
There are several changes coming to Engineering along with many other profession in Patch 8.2.
The maximum skill level of Zandalari and Kul Tiran Engineering is increasing to 175 (Old cap was 150).
Most of the new patterns will require you to level up your skill level to this new cap in order to craft the best gear.
New Recipes for Notorious Combatant gear (370 item level).
New Recipes for The Eternal Palace raid-level Azerite Engineering goggles (415/430/445 item level).
Scrapping Eternal Palace raid-level crafted gear refunds slightly less the amount of Expulsom spent to craft it.
The ability to craft raid quality gear is unlocked by completing the Abyssal Focus quests.
Engineering googles do not have a socket, but are 5 item levels higher than most equivalent crafting gear.

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just about the goggles not having a socket... implying that other helms do? is that a change?

modest jasper Jun 24, 2019, 5:47 AM

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I don't think there are other crafted helmets besides the engineering ones.

bronze kelp Jun 24, 2019, 5:47 AM

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@reef peak you dont keep garrote on all targets. in aoe situation you triple garrote at the start with subterfudge bonus and then only if the enemycount gets 3 or lower

modest jasper Jun 24, 2019, 5:48 AM

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Also probably more a #wow-general question tbf.

dull osprey Jun 24, 2019, 5:49 AM

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@bronze kelp ahhh. That explains why I was constantly swapping targets, not doing anything other than rupt and garrote

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Thanks!

bronze kelp Jun 24, 2019, 5:50 AM

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no problem 😉

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but did you already read the guide at ravenholdt.net?

dull osprey Jun 24, 2019, 5:54 AM

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I did, but probably missed the flashing neon sign 😂

severe raven Jun 24, 2019, 6:01 AM

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so whats the best build for sin m+?

rigid mango Jun 24, 2019, 6:02 AM

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any mix of eb/ss/ttk

severe raven Jun 24, 2019, 6:02 AM

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3x ss?

rigid mango Jun 24, 2019, 6:02 AM

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2/2/2, 3 ttk/eb 2 ttk/eb 1 ss

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3 SS works in kr

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Wouldn't take it anywhere else

severe raven Jun 24, 2019, 6:02 AM

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whats ttk?

rigid mango Jun 24, 2019, 6:02 AM

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Twist the knife

severe raven Jun 24, 2019, 6:03 AM

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oh really?

rigid mango Jun 24, 2019, 6:03 AM

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Yes

severe raven Jun 24, 2019, 6:03 AM

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and what about build? has it changed?

rigid mango Jun 24, 2019, 6:03 AM

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You're gonna have to specify from what previous one

severe raven Jun 24, 2019, 6:03 AM

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master assin > subterfuge?

rigid mango Jun 24, 2019, 6:03 AM

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Never MA

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always sub

severe raven Jun 24, 2019, 6:03 AM

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i used to play many months ago. and the build was 3x ss + subterfuge etc

rigid mango Jun 24, 2019, 6:04 AM

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Yeah

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You always want atleast one SS

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and always running sub

severe raven Jun 24, 2019, 6:04 AM

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sang over toxic?

rigid mango Jun 24, 2019, 6:04 AM

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Toxic always

severe raven Jun 24, 2019, 6:04 AM

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so bizare

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im used to 3x ss and just pre dotting everything

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with 3x garrotes etc

rigid mango Jun 24, 2019, 6:05 AM

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That's what you do now?

severe raven Jun 24, 2019, 6:05 AM

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oh so it doesnt change but dont stack 3x ss

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neat

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whats eb?

rigid mango Jun 24, 2019, 6:05 AM

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It's the same thing aslong as you're running ss and sub

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Echoing blades

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Fok trait

severe raven Jun 24, 2019, 6:05 AM

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and for raid?

rigid mango Jun 24, 2019, 6:06 AM

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Check WCL, copy what people are running

severe raven Jun 24, 2019, 6:07 AM

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dude i have so many azerite gear sets in my bag this whole system is poop

nimble tartan Jun 24, 2019, 6:10 AM

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alright gamers whats the gameplan when 8.2 drops

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we doin pvp islands all day?

rigid mango Jun 24, 2019, 6:10 AM

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Doubt it

winter moss Jun 24, 2019, 6:12 AM

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we are doing the same thing as every night

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grinding a virtual currency for progress we will never see or feel for accomplishments that never existed

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fuublink

grim canopy Jun 24, 2019, 6:15 AM

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wait why pvp islands?

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pvp in this game is shit we gotta do taht?

meager nebula Jun 24, 2019, 6:16 AM

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Could be

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Depends what essences come out on top on the sims

bronze kelp Jun 24, 2019, 6:17 AM

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i hate it to be force to do content I dont like. as it would be if the pvp essence shines on top 😦

rigid mango Jun 24, 2019, 6:17 AM

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I don't see any other being as good in m+

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So to pvp we go

bronze kelp Jun 24, 2019, 6:17 AM

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thats the sad point :/

grim canopy Jun 24, 2019, 6:19 AM

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For the PVP essence we need to just do BGs?

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i guess I can afk in them

winter moss Jun 24, 2019, 6:19 AM

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well longway to go for 50k honor

grim canopy Jun 24, 2019, 6:19 AM

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do rated BGs give more honor

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bah but people want rogues do actually do important stuff in those

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i can't just slack off

tribal marlin Jun 24, 2019, 6:20 AM

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with the amount of pve guys going to do 5man party for BG it will be a nightmare to farm theese 50k without a party

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especially horde side

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The best way to get maximum honor is to go for Epic Battleground

grim canopy Jun 24, 2019, 6:21 AM

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oh lord

winter moss Jun 24, 2019, 6:21 AM

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ohlawd

tribal marlin Jun 24, 2019, 6:21 AM

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AV and IC historically gave a hell tons of honor

grim canopy Jun 24, 2019, 6:22 AM

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i guess its easier to afk in those i spose

winter moss Jun 24, 2019, 6:22 AM

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imagine hardcore pve raider who never touched pvp in epic battle grounds

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PepeNice

grim canopy Jun 24, 2019, 6:22 AM

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or anyone

tribal marlin Jun 24, 2019, 6:22 AM

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You can't really afk but you can slack bit making people belive your defending useless flag

grim canopy Jun 24, 2019, 6:22 AM

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well i mean alt tab ever few min and move a bit

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whiel i play witcher 3 or something

winter moss Jun 24, 2019, 6:23 AM

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well this just makes me hate you even more

grim canopy Jun 24, 2019, 6:23 AM

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wowpvp =\

winter moss Jun 24, 2019, 6:23 AM

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some of us enjoy pvp

grim canopy Jun 24, 2019, 6:23 AM

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maybe if this was tbc or wotlk

tribal marlin Jun 24, 2019, 6:23 AM

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people will flag you afk and you'll get kick out the bg, beside also not being as effective as actually killing people (honor wise)

rigid mango Jun 24, 2019, 6:23 AM

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#wow-general my doodats

winter moss Jun 24, 2019, 6:23 AM

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you aint my mod

rigid mango Jun 24, 2019, 6:24 AM

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I'm the pre-mod

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Like prenut

grim canopy Jun 24, 2019, 6:24 AM

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conflict and strife is BIS for WW monks, RIP

tribal marlin Jun 24, 2019, 6:24 AM

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What is defias brotherwood ?

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flag

winter moss Jun 24, 2019, 6:24 AM

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an basically we are talking about the essence blood of the enemy good for sin or nyeh

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so get lost zinead

rigid mango Jun 24, 2019, 6:24 AM

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ANGERYBoi

grim canopy Jun 24, 2019, 6:24 AM

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season 3 mdi wil be asssassin rogue, dh, and ?

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maybe balance druid

winter moss Jun 24, 2019, 6:25 AM

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i mean the extra crit is and haste is huge but will the grind for it make it worth?

rigid mango Jun 24, 2019, 6:25 AM

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Seeing as how

tribal marlin Jun 24, 2019, 6:25 AM

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s3 mdi will be boomkin, dh and rogue good old shit

rigid mango Jun 24, 2019, 6:25 AM

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Outlaw is looking nuts

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I don't think counting them out is fair

grim canopy Jun 24, 2019, 6:25 AM

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i want it to be assassin tho

winter moss Jun 24, 2019, 6:25 AM

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aslong wits keeps being wits outlaw is going to compete with sin

tribal marlin Jun 24, 2019, 6:26 AM

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Wait for the simulation but in a Single Essence scenario you'll probably output same dps with Lucid dream which is way easier to get

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So the actual grind is more grinding to 55 in order to slot lucid minor and use Bo

winter moss Jun 24, 2019, 6:27 AM

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well grinding to 55 is the easiest part

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what

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128hrs of islands and you are done?

grim canopy Jun 24, 2019, 6:27 AM

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islands suck

rigid mango Jun 24, 2019, 6:27 AM

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I mean it's not even wits only

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It's the fact that they have superior utility

winter moss Jun 24, 2019, 6:28 AM

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THEY WHAT OMEGYLOL

grim canopy Jun 24, 2019, 6:28 AM

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8 yard range is also pretty amazing

rigid mango Jun 24, 2019, 6:28 AM

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Outlaw has superior utility

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By a fair bit

winter moss Jun 24, 2019, 6:28 AM

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marginal

rigid mango Jun 24, 2019, 6:29 AM

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gouge + stun in rotation that applies prey + vanish on lower cd without losing dmg

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GWcmeisterPeepoShrug

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vs iron wire

grim canopy Jun 24, 2019, 6:29 AM

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slow?

nimble tartan Jun 24, 2019, 6:29 AM

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how do you get lucid dream

tribal marlin Jun 24, 2019, 6:29 AM

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face tanking isn't a concern anymore theese day

nimble tartan Jun 24, 2019, 6:29 AM

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bro i turned my brani off for so long

rigid mango Jun 24, 2019, 6:29 AM

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People really over value the slow

nimble tartan Jun 24, 2019, 6:29 AM

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idk anythgin bro