assassination

[crisp hollow]

for now

lol

[faint harness]

i thought we were talking about m+

[stable oxide]

yeah me too

[crisp hollow]

we were, i was asking about a hypothetical

i want to play sin for everything soon

probably 8.2

[faint harness]

i have 410 on my rogue too, due to it being an alt

and 2k more dps than you

wth

[crisp hollow]

im pretty low mast if that matters

[faint harness]

[crisp hollow]

im 2 DD, 1 treach, 1TTK, 1 SS, 1 NP so its kinda all over the place

[distant lava]

pretty sure you should pick

NP in that helm

[faint harness]

yea that might be it, i run 3x DD, 1x blightborne, 1x vendetta and.. something else as last

[crisp hollow]

im just running what top gear ran me

[faint harness]

did you try every single option tho

[crisp hollow]

1,2,3 patchwerk

didn't bother dungeon slice

cuz not playing it in dungeons until EB

1 NP isn't terrible?

[faint harness]

i saw a drop in NP after 1 of them, but thats just my gear

i cant click the link cus at work, but i assume u run MA too

[distant lava]

it's not

[crisp hollow]

nope, weirdly subterfuge even on 1 patchwerk

probs due to the 1 SS

[distant lava]

cause you have SS

[faint harness]

ahh yea

[tropic ocean]

In non skittish week tank shouldnt have threat issues

Its either bad play by tank ir rogue

Or both

[solid nova]

^

[wary ice]

On the topic of bad rogue play; Is Twist still considered worth while for M+?

[faint harness]

well BrM is the only tank i could see have aoe threat issues

and it was a BrM

[tropic ocean]

I can only speak for myself and it might not be the best or most optimal thing but I have different tricks approaches

e.g. when hes pulling pack into reaping I won't tricks him, I do my garrote and 2-3 ruptures

and tricks him before I start pumping fok so he gets all the fok threat

[stuck knoll]

@wary ice yeah

[wary ice]

❤ ty

[faint harness]

so how do you play assa in m+

do you only spend envenoms

and spam fok

[tropic ocean]

depends on pull size and if there is a bad mob or not

[faint harness]

but is there any point you spam ruptures on targets

[tropic ocean]

just as much ruptures to sustain energy

which is 4-5

then either spam fok

or fok to build envenom into bad mob

[faint harness]

i am assuming that only applies in higher keys where mobs actually live for a while

[hollow stone]

No. It definitely applies at all key levels

[tropic ocean]

its the same really

only thing changing is

[faint harness]

alright

[tropic ocean]

affixes

eg bolstering u will do more envenom

to trim mobs

[faint harness]

might try it

think i have tripple fok available

Is it still worth running 1x SS

[stuck knoll]

For m+ yeah

[rigid mango]

Yes, always

[celest mirage]

do you reapply garrotes in aoe pulls?

[faint harness]

back in my day 👴 you would vanish and apply 6 buffed garrotes (in total) everytime its up

[tropic ocean]

back in my day u didnt cuz u played combat

[celest mirage]

im talking about out of vanish garrotes. like after your empowered ones end

[tropic ocean]

it depends on the pull size

if you have 4 mobs and chain 3 or 4 more yes

if u have 10 mobs and chain more no you just spam fok and put ruptures

same with reaping

oh and obviously you don't regarrote with vanish when it will die before it runs out

[faint harness]

but like, no point holding vanish for bosses right

[tropic ocean]

you just use your cooldowns as often as possible

[faint harness]

yea

[tropic ocean]

sometimes when I misplan it and it is still on cd when we reach boss I just tell my friend to pull another pack

tank*

but mostly you can just plan around bl timer anyway

[faint harness]

++

[tropic ocean]

so u see bl cd >2min use vendetta vanish

if <2min keep it

[faint harness]

i just know i will be terrible at using vendetta on big pulls

the few times ive played sin in m+ i never knew which target i should put it on

and by the time i figure it out its too late

[celest mirage]

you think you should apply multiple ruptures before throwing out your vendetta or just rupture your vendetta target and then go in.

[tropic ocean]

the one that needs to die fastest

like in 2 pack+crusher at current affixes

garrote crusher garrote 2 others ruptuer crusher

put 2-3 more ruptures

vendetta crusher tb crusher

build with fok envenom into crusher

its pretty much the same you do all the time in trash you vendetta the target taht needs to die

spiders in underrot

casters in kr etc etc

I can only recommend you to check twitch.tv/incarnated you will learn alot about decision making in m+ i'd assume about 95% of the stuff I learned I just learned by watching him or asking him its your best resources of assa m+ gameplay

[solid nova]

He's streaming now in #rogue-streamers

[silent silo]

Has anyone looked up what are the go to essences in 8.2? I have my own speculations but just curious if there is anything out there that I didnt come across yet

[faint harness]

thanks for the tip, will check him out.

they're all being tuned to like 5%-7% dmg increases right? Just like legion legendaries. So i'd think it comes to down to situation more than anything else.

[rigid mango]

Not yet, there'll probably be more information closer to the patch when we wont have balancing happen

[tropic ocean]

i guess we'll use the

crit one in m+

[faint harness]

So nerfed

[rigid mango]

Still crit

Still EB

[chilly oasis]

Is there still an essence spreadsheet going on?

[rigid mango]

Not atm no

[onyx rock]

How can I check in Logs if someone pool Energy or ignore pooling and just spam ?

[rigid mango]

You can go to resources

And see what they have when

And overlap it with tb casts

Or just look at their energy and see how it should spike before tb

[onyx rock]

Can I pm you Zine ?

[rigid mango]

Go for it

[golden nexus]

plumage + spyglass is the best combo for m+ if i cant get my hands on the u'nnat trinket, right?

or is having an on use not as important

[rigid mango]

It's most likely the best

[golden nexus]

okay awesome

and for pulling reaping into bosses, i don't keep bleeds up on other targets for energy regen right?

just triple garrote and pretend im a sub rogue

[rigid mango]

You get 5 bleeds

aka 3 empowered garrotes and 2 ruptures

5 bleeds = inf energy reg = gcd locked

And from there it depends on the situation

With bosses, probably fok into env

[golden nexus]

awesome, thanks for the info!

[real socket]

Im just coming back from uldir, is our opener still

garrote-mut-garrote-toxic blade-envenom- spam mut, envenom, toxic blade - vanish garrote?

[rigid mango]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/

[rigid mango]

Openers are in there

[real socket]

ty brother

[tawny shell]

is there any sim information on Essences yet?

[meager nebula]

no

probably not until 8.2 is out or the essences are finalized

[tall pelican]

Guys is 2x TTK 2x SS 2x EB good all round for mythic + 15+

or should i rub 2x SS 3xEB 1x TTK

[small aurora]

3xttk 2xeb 1xss/2xttk 3xeb 1xss seems to be the general reccomendation

[worldly iron]

2/2/2 works fine too

I always run that, mostly because of me lacking azerite pieces, but I always do fine

works well in the ~18 keys that I run. not that active in m+ so I can't give my thoughts on higher keys. maybe in s3

[tall pelican]

Is versatility any good?

Im trying to lower haste

increase mastery

[worldly iron]

better than haste

[bronze kelp]

on fok spam yes

everything is better then haste 😉

[worldly iron]

precisely

[bronze kelp]

but dont favour versa too much over mastery

[tall pelican]

420 down to a 400 item?

[bronze kelp]

crit mastery is still the better choice

[tall pelican]

to remobe haste

[bronze kelp]

depends on the item

just sim it

[tall pelican]

Cant sim mythic+

pain in the ass

[bronze kelp]

for m+ aoe sim patchwork with enemy count 8 and 1 min duration

u sim for trash dmg

und can do different sims with different enemy count and different duraion, also with or without BL, so you can get the idea whats better

[worldly iron]

you can still sim dungeonslice to get a good idea

[bronze kelp]

naaa

dungeonslice favours haste way too much

cause of the boss fight

[worldly iron]

yeah I suppose

[bronze kelp]

aim is to stack crit then mastery, cause your bleeds and poisons profit from mastery. versa is a good stat, but you gain more from mastery overall i guess, cause u use bleeds and posions in every situation, FoK only on AoE or with HB some single casts in a boss fight

[tall pelican]

Dead eye and harlmes dice?

[bronze kelp]

is a good trinket combo

also lurkers from CoS or mekka trinket are nice

if you got a good plumage u can also take this

[tall pelican]

i got a 400 plum

[bronze kelp]

just bind plumage to vendetta and you got the best use out of it. but for m+ u need a good vendetta planing so u got it up on every boss fight

[tropic ocean]

just tie your cd usage to bl timer (if your group is lusting bosses) so

if <2min dont use it, if >2min use it

not the most efficient but pretty braindead

[strange python]

godd morning guys, former oulaw rogue here try to get a step into assa when 8.2 hits the servers. after changing enchants and some gear raidbots (patchwork 1 boss no movement) tells me my best scaling is mastery with 3.36. why? i thought i should go for haste+crit? maybe because i'm missing empowerd garotte traits?

[solid nova]

Just sim with top gear its a lot easier then simming stat weights and trying to gauge upgrades that way

[strange python]

okay, will give it a try thank u

[tall pelican]

Hidden blades with 2x Fan traits any good or stick with Poisen Bomb

3x traits soz

[solid nova]

PB

[tall pelican]

ty

[lime path]

since that vendor guy now sells all the azerite pieces that drop in dungeons, is there a list of which combinations are bis for ST and bis for AoE?

[cobalt pelican]

st is champs or stormwall/gorak tul/cephalohide

aoe depends on what aoe really so there's not a list

[lime path]

thanks

[sullen pagoda]

@lime path its too late in patch to go for specific just buy random if u dont have 415 and new azerites are here soon tm

[winter moss]

opinion based bis for aoe: cowl of fluid machinations, phantomstalker shoulders, cephalohide jacket

for fortified weeks atleast

[lean thorn]

Guys sorry for the stupid ass question
Vendetta does affect all the dmg, including the bleeds that were applied before it was used, correct?

[cobalt pelican]

yes

[faint harness]

the only thing that snapshots is the bleed ability on TB row right

but only haste levels

[winter moss]

correct

it's called Exsanguinate

[raven kelp]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > mastery > vers >= haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.

[inner citrus]

!azerite

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Azerite Season 2 changes: https://bit.ly/2U86I7o

[inner citrus]

for assass m+ azerite. 1NP+1SS+1double dose + 1twist + 1scent + echoing knives?

[rigid mango]

no

Any mix of eb/ttk/ss

[inner citrus]

aah. so np, scent = pvp

lol im getting them mixed up

wait dont u do more ruptures compared to envenoms?

[stuck knoll]

You just rupture enough to sustain your fok spam

Generally want at least 2 EB

[inner citrus]

1ss+2eb+3ttk?

[stuck knoll]

Yeah that's a very good build

[inner citrus]

thank you for the tips

[atomic saddle]

how much does ttk increase your poison damage while spamming fok? is it that good?

[flint jetty]

It increases the dmg your envenoms do to a target, particularly good for getting high health priority targets within a trash pack

[distant lava]

if you do not want to dmg a big target more and just want to aoe it's not worth to press envenom

[atomic saddle]

it also increases the duration of the envenom buff which increases your poison application chance by 30%, I thought thats the "big" part of the trait because of the initial application damage while spamming fok

[distant lava]

nah the big part is the increase of envenom dmg

and you play like sub basically

[atomic saddle]

So you would rather go for ttk instead of 3xss 3xeb?

[rigid mango]

Yes

Every day.

3 ss eb is like playing outlaw just worse

I only ever go more than 1 ss for kr keys, it's always 3 eb or 3 ttk and to of the other for me

[atomic saddle]

thought ss has highest value by far because of the frequent restealthing in m+

[rigid mango]

But the value you get from pumping dmg into a priority target is better

You play like a budget sub

[crisp hollow]

do you put any emphasis on DD in raids Zine?

[rigid mango]

yes

[inner citrus]

for raids its np + ss +3 dd+ ttk right?

[rigid mango]

Not really

[inner citrus]

or np + ss +2 dd + 2 ttk

[atomic saddle]

the question for me is if I go 2-3xttk, do I then aim for 1xss 2xeb or 3xss?

[rigid mango]

no

just like

It depends on the encounter

You can look at wcl and see what people are running

SS is very strong for more or less every boss up until last 3

Where SS usage is just pad.

[crisp hollow]

if i was to only use raid azerite pieces for assa, which 3 should I be shooting for?

[rigid mango]

If you want absolute bis atm

it's 1st boss helm, gorak tuls and cepha

for MA build

and for SS build idk actually, hard to gauge what's the best there since diff encounters are worth diff

Generally just going MA for every encounter works

[inner citrus]

whats MA?

[crisp hollow]

master assassin

[rigid mango]

You might not parse as well, but your damage is valued highly

since it's all boss dmg more or less

[stuck knoll]

If you're running that build might as well just look at boss damage parses imo

[rigid mango]

idd

[inner citrus]

damn i have a lot to worry about. :/

[stuck knoll]

(But obviously looking at parses isn't even the best use of logs)

It sounds like a lot at the start

[inner citrus]

assa pvp + asssa raid +outlaw m+ and ufuture assa m+

[stuck knoll]

But once you get into it it's definitely manageable

[rigid mango]

I mean

It's really not tha complicated

You have 2 set ups for raid that are good

and 3 traits for m+ that are god

just engage brain to think when to use what

Oh it's bolster week and shit needs to die in a controlled fashion? ttk is great

[real bay]

don't need to outlaw m+ unless you rly want to, 8.2 is close

[inner citrus]

i just even started on learning weakaura haha

well. outlaw might still be king, might be not XD

i hope its outlaw m+ asssa pvp and sub raid. atleast 3 specs get some use

[crisp hollow]

i think sub is actually usable in pvp

[rigid mango]

It won't

[crisp hollow]

whereas not in raid

lol

[rigid mango]

I highly doubt outlaw will be king

[crisp hollow]

good chance its assassination for all 3

[rigid mango]

It won't be bad

[crisp hollow]

(hopefully)

[rigid mango]

but it will be good

They'll be the king of cleave now for raids

I don't know anything about pvp since it's 🤢

[crisp hollow]

new wits > sin for 2-3 targets you think?

[rigid mango]

But I generally think assa'll be best for m+ and sub n outlaw will be similar

[inner citrus]

is the change to wits that huge of a deal to dethrone outlaw?

[crisp hollow]

no

[rigid mango]

You're still talking

as if outlaw is MILES away

from everyone

[crisp hollow]

the change in affix mostly

[rigid mango]

Yes

[stuck knoll]

Depends on uptime for the 2-3 target fight

[crisp hollow]

priority damage will be valued higher

[rigid mango]

The fact that the new affix doesn't play into outlaw's strengths

and the wits change

[crisp hollow]

versus raw AoE from reaping

[inner citrus]

oh right. reaping >.<

[rigid mango]

makes them a good dps spec but not always best as of now

[inner citrus]

now i understand

[stuck knoll]

Like if there's big times off boss or a damage boost eg cabal sin is likely to be better if it's just a straight fight with constant 2 bosses Outlaw will probably be very good

[rigid mango]

^

[inner citrus]

i see. damn im learning a lot from this discord and im just been here for an hour o rso lol

[crystal pilot]

sin will reclaim the m+ crown in 8.2, its not super far behind outlaw in mass aoe with two EB

[rigid mango]

"will"

Uh huh

[crystal pilot]

with outlaw's aoe nerf, sin is gonna overtake

[rigid mango]

Mass aoe where

[harsh sphinx]

don't jinx it dude

[rigid mango]

Where's the reaping

[civic palm]

In +5's.

[crystal pilot]

still going to have to pull big shit from time to time to push keys

[rigid mango]

Imagine if the new affix does things

[crystal pilot]

bad troll is bad

[rigid mango]

You're saying sin's going to be good

For the wrong reason

[crystal pilot]

sin is already good

[rigid mango]

Yes, I know thanks very much

The reason isn't mass ao e

[crystal pilot]

the only reason outlaw is better than sin is mass aoe, and its losing that in 8.2

[rigid mango]

pls

don't

[crisp hollow]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jdWSgL7b5TFFzhznN6sGps this is my best patchwerk sim but it would involve reforging some of my outlaw pieces, versus what I'm currently running https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cAUFUHvzVHD11AT9Bzy3SF

[rigid mango]

Assa has hgiher dmg

than outlaw

[crisp hollow]

kinda crazy how good WQ piece traits are

[rigid mango]

The reason outlaw is better is because of the immense utility they bring

Not the damage, sin does better damage

albeit harder to do

[crisp hollow]

all that extra agi only making a 200dps difference patchwerk while being worse 2-target

[rigid mango]

But with the pulls that sin wants/needs, outdpsing outlaws aint hard

My dude

[crystal pilot]

other than gouge, what utility do they bring that sin doesnt? a range stun? when is that ever needed?

all rogues are brought for the utility that outlaw brings

[rigid mango]

Pray, stun the use of vanish on cd

without losing anything

on a lower cd, even

It's worth a lot

[crystal pilot]

I'm done arguing with you lmao

[rigid mango]

?????

You genuinly seem to know nothing about the meta

LOL

If you think having a stun in your rotation that gives pray

if you think having gouge

and being able to use vanish as often as they can PURELY for utility

is worth a small amount, you're insane

and you don't understand why outlaw is good.

[crisp hollow]

being able to do all your dps with no ramp at all too 😃

[vernal adder]

zine

[rigid mango]

[crisp hollow]

does BtE benefit from Pray or just the subsequent hits after it

[worldly iron]

prey

[crisp hollow]

no like I ask jesus for more damage

I know what i said

ah darn

[crystal pilot]

tfw you think sin's vanish is purely dps and not utility when its a triple silence

[crisp hollow]

he never said Sin's vanish was a purely dps ability what

he just said outlaw's vanish

is pretty much always available

[worldly iron]

but you will never vanish->cheap, and you don't have to set yourself back if you reset.. let's say the elemental in shrine

[distant lava]

you use your vanish do stop casts as sin ? do dodge stuff ? to be immune to some cc ?

maybe sometimes you do, but outlaw always does it

[crisp hollow]

last week vanish was on CD to drop aggro between Tricks uptime for me

also to scumbag boss mechanics

spit gold

[inner citrus]

i blame this whole fiasco on youtube and icyveins for saying outlaw m+ is aoe

[crisp hollow]

well outlaw requires 1 set of talents and traits for every situation, imo thats its biggest strength when deciding what spec to play

versus sin having different sets for AoE, 2/3 and ST

[fleet whale]

this seems like an easy week for M+

[rigid mango]

Very much so

giga push week

[crisp hollow]

besides ML which gets ridiculous on teeming I think it is

[distant lava]

nah it's fine

[crystal pilot]

its not fort so everything blows up

[stuck knoll]

The lack of fort makes it fine

[distant lava]

you just chain pull to oblivion

[crisp hollow]

oooh

exciting

[crystal pilot]

this is the best week we've had for ml for a long time

[crisp hollow]

maybe I crack 2-2.2k this week then

embrace my last 10 days of NEET lifestyle

[fleet whale]

i'm sitting here at 1.5k lol

[crisp hollow]

i'm 1.8 currently

[distant lava]

that feel when I have to study for exams and exams next week

[rigid mango]

I'm missing over half week I think

[fleet whale]

dat feel when you're done school 😛

[hollow stone]

Oh man, having to work towards your future. What a shame

[stuck knoll]

Alright dj time to wheel you back to off topic

[fleet whale]

teeming will actually be kind of fun this week... when reaping pops i'll have everything set up to begin my rampage

Also the new affix looks like it could be rough

[inner citrus]

almost every1 say its rough

[crisp hollow]

only complaint is the void emissary

rest seem reasonable but uninterruptible/moveable casts are stupid regardless of their damage

[vapid scarab]

void emmissary is the one interesting one

you aren't supposed to deal with it

it's meant to force you to take new routes

[hollow stone]

Is void the one you cant "kill"?

[fleet whale]

you can kill it, it's just really inefficient

and i don't think they really "die"

[rigid mango]

They port out at 1%, sure

[hollow stone]

Lemme rephrase :p. Void is the one that will port out after x amount of time whether you dmg it or not?

[rigid mango]

Void is the one that casts

And you need to kill before 3rd cast I think, goes off

Or you all die, because it increases dmg dealt by each cast

[fleet whale]

Does the max gear reward from the weekly chest only go up to level 10 still

[hollow stone]

Ah. So its the los one

[vapid scarab]

the one that has energy and ports out after awhile is the reflect one

[rigid mango]

It's the one scary one, yeah

[vapid scarab]

which gets knocked back when you hit it

void one is not meant to be killed or losed

it's meant to force you to rethink your route

[hollow stone]

Ok. Yea, thats the one that i was thinking about

[rigid mango]

Eitehr way

this entire convo

#wow-general

[vapid scarab]

like instead of going up stairs in freehold and hugging right, maybe now you go left and through the middle

[short jacinth]

What's the optimal trait set up for M+ this week?

[rigid mango]

I assume you're NA?

[short jacinth]

Yea

[rigid mango]

in that case, probably 3 eb 2 ttk 1 ss

[fleet whale]

I'm just rolling 2x ss, 2x eb, 2x ttk

[short jacinth]

Ok cool ty

[hollow stone]

Yeee. 3eb will be nice this week since big pulls n big reaps will be a thing

[rigid mango]

indeed

Non fort weeks with 3 eb are surprisingly nice

even more so w tem

teem*

[thick galleon]

how do i walk by with shroud in atal dazar?

at 2nds boss

the skeleton sees me

[stuck knoll]

Stay far to the left

As far as you can

[hidden plinth]

Does someone already do the theocrafting for 8.2?

[solid nova]

Nope

[fleet whale]

whatever essences that give the most dps

are going to be the ones we use

[shy axle]

anyone has/knows a list of the azerit pieces in the raid? What do you think, will it stay with 3 DD + NP/BBI/Tk or does interaction with essences shake it up?

[distant lava]

we haven't done the theorycrafting with essences new pieces yet

[rigid mango]

Interactios s will probably shake things up, but can't say just wait and see

[solid nova]

8.2 Traits/Sims/X Etc

Is there any confirmed information on XYZ:
-No we don't have any confirmed data on sims or theorycrafting for new gear, trait combinations or essences.

When will XYZ be out?
-When we know, you'll know - Check #tc-updates for confirmation

Other than that, you're waiting exactly the same as everyone else. Obligatory for any further questions unless otherwise updated.

[spring iron]

Is next week's chest gonna deliver 444 piece?

[solid nova]

No

[spring iron]

btw 8.2 release date is June 25

[vast forum]

Definitely not

[fleet whale]

I doubt it, also they nerfing M+ chest rewards unless if they changed it

[solid nova]

No item level increase until S3, Which is explained in the same news post as 8,2 release

[vast forum]

Also, 444 sounds like an unlikely number even with ilvl increases

[distant lava]

true

I'm guessing it will be 440 in chest

when the first week of mythic raid hits

[solid nova]

445 from mythic palace

[rigid mango]

Yeah isn't it 430 from 10+ and 440 from chest?

[solid nova]

400 LFR
415 Normal
430 Heroic
445 Mythic

[vast forum]

Should be

[distant lava]

yeah 10 is heroic ilvl zine

[rigid mango]

That's what I've just assumed it to be

444 seems like a very random number

[fleet whale]

wasn't there an mmo champ post saying it was 420 from the chest?

[distant lava]

maybe they throw the chest at 441.389 to fuck with us

[fleet whale]

and 410 from the dungeon

[rigid mango]

Maybe first week?

[distant lava]

first week it's lower yeah

[rigid mango]

There's no way that's going to be during the regular mythic weeks

[distant lava]

at least it was for BoD

[solid nova]

More #wow-general but probably not beyond 1st week.

[quiet abyss]

next patch is assasin the way to go in m+ or still outlaw ?

[solid nova]

No clue, both will likely be fine

[quiet abyss]

for aoe other then fan of knives assasin gets any other aoe dmg buff ?

[true ingot]

I mean some essences do AoE so.. sort of?

[solid nova]

Nothing is confirmed

[rigid mango]

Crit one looks quite good for m+, but it's very speculative

especially after the nerfs

[strange python]

@quiet abyss for aoe just try and get side pieces echoing blades and shrouded suffo. Else we are limp aoe

Whats the best alliance race for assa ?

[rigid mango]

nelf

[strange python]

I know goblin sims highest but in practicality is that different?

[rigid mango]

It's about a like less that 1% diff

Nelf/Velf are best for ally

[strange python]

Min maxing is min maxing

Why?

[hollow stone]

Meld is strong in m+

[rigid mango]

And meld with SS

http://prntscr.com/o3itgg

[strange python]

It procs ss but not subterfuge right

[rigid mango]

That's without any SS nor sub

[strange python]

Why is that so diff from hero damage and bloodmallet sims?

[rigid mango]

With them nelf's the best.

[hollow stone]

In m+ you can stealth from meld and get subt and ss garrs again

[rigid mango]

That is herodamage?

[hollow stone]

Outside of bosses

[rigid mango]

Yeah

For m+, nelf is pretty insane.

[strange python]

@hollow stone for boss dps? What is better?

[rigid mango]

Depends on your set up

[hollow stone]

See sim above

[rigid mango]

If you're running sub n ss, nelf might be a bit higher

In the end the diff of nelf vs velf is very small, down to general play

[strange python]

@rigid mango bloodet shows gnome top

[rigid mango]

So it seems

it doesn't matter then

Just pick one and go haywire

[hollow stone]

Race is minimal. I pick race based on what i like. If i like how i look, i do more dps

We arent robots

[distant lava]

talk for yourself

[strange python]

@hollow stone lol. @distant lava agreed

If my race gives me a passive 150dps more

Im taking it

[fleet whale]

If you are choosing a race purely on practicality, i would choose utility over dps anyway

[rigid mango]

Yes, nelf might do that

Nelf is very good

For m+.

[strange python]

We are rogues we have so much utility and survival already

[fleet whale]

nelf i think is the sweet spot for performance and utility

[rigid mango]

Being nelf means your vanish is same as outlaw

[strange python]

I run outlaw for m+ its more effecient at the moment

@fleet whale maybe

[hollow stone]

If you REALLY cared, youd go horde. Just sayin

😏

[strange python]

Im horde

[fleet whale]

just don't go Nightborne

[rigid mango]

[strange python]

But just got accepted into a eu 120 guild at 2 nights a week

And they are alliance

[hollow stone]

Id play gnome

Personal pref and they are good sim-wise too

[strange python]

I think ill go gnome just due to sim dps

[hollow stone]

Just watch out for puddles

[fleet whale]

gnomes are too short

[royal lantern]

the only real answer on alliance is dwarf tbh

[strange python]

I came back a few weeks ago so gearing has been a ball ache. I have a rank 19th chest on sim sheet and rank 12 shoulders
. And not enough time before 8.2 to farm residuum or whatever its called to buy a specific piece

[hollow stone]

New season starts in 3 weeks. Dw about optimizing now (imo)

[royal lantern]

nobody will be able too buy a specific piece in 8.2

[strange python]

@hollow stone has the date been announced?

[royal lantern]

25june

1week

[hollow stone]

8.2 is next week. New season and new raid is 2 weeks later

So 3 weeks for new season

[strange python]

Excellent. I need 3 more levels on my neck

1 level a week may be achievable

[hollow stone]

Easily at this point

[royal lantern]

we will get new ak scaling etc....

dont sweat it

[fleet whale]

right now on ptr going to 50 to 51 is 38k ap

[distant lava]

easy in one week

[fleet whale]

yeah, 50k is also easy for one wek

week

[hollow stone]

Slowly veering off to #off-topic. Time to swerve back into the sin lane

[distant lava]

#wow-general but yeah

[strange python]

@fleet whale not when you can only get time to raid 2 evenings and 1 m+ in between

@hollow stone true:)

[fresh flint]

Are we already certain about bis essence traits yet? 😃

[drifting cloud]

no

[hollow stone]

See recent pin

[stable oxide]

Are there already speculations of which essences are most beneficial in 8.2

[inner citrus]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[lime path]

vendetta is dynamic and does not snapshot, right? The only snapshot sin has is subterfuged empowered garrotes yeah?

[rigid mango]

Sub and SS yes

and NS, but no one uses NS

[lime path]

what's NS

[rigid mango]

Nightstalker

same tier as sub/ma thus not used

atm

[lime path]

oh yeah that seems

not great

[rigid mango]

Other than those 3, no snapshotting no

[regal acorn]

thoughts on 1 blightborne infusion instead of third NP? looking at logs it seems like most don't take 3x NP. any particular reason?

[rigid mango]

BBI is better if it procs properly

Sim wise anyways, it seems so

but it depends a bit on the fight etc, fights where the NP burst is good (like p3 jaina) np can be better

also depends abit on your stats

[regal acorn]

thanks

[brisk frost]

yeah exactly, you always get full potential of NP, but BI can proc for example on jaina's intermission which makes it alot dps loss

[short wasp]

Is this setup good for tyrannical M+: x2 DD, x2 NP, x1 SS, x1 TTK

Or should I still be going primarily EB and SS?

[meager nebula]

A mix of ss/eb/ttk

[short wasp]

ah okay, so dont even get into the DD and NP?

[rigid mango]

DD is horrible

Since DD means youw ant to muti more, but EB means you want to fok more

doing one means the other isn't pressed, and it's just bad

Np can be good in niche situations, but for a simple build do it like he said, any mix of eb/ss/ttk preferably heavier on the eb/ttk

[short wasp]

okay ty for the answers. Ill go more EB/TTK.

[lime path]

wait if you have EB you don't muti at all? or just muti single target only

[rigid mango]

Muti ST all the time

2 targets is a bit weird

EB does more dmg, muti is more efficient at creating CP

fok*

[lime path]

3+ fok

single muti

[rigid mango]

2 target you go

muti if at 0-2, fok at 3 finish at 4+

[lime path]

assuming you have 1 or more EB traits, do you fok at 2?

[rigid mango]

You do that^

If you want to me as efficient as possible with creating CP

[lime path]

is there a mobcount threshold where it stops being efficient to multi garrote when you can?

or do you always do it

[rigid mango]

You always doit on the basis of the energy reg

So on reap for example

[lime path]

so even if there's a pile of 20

[rigid mango]

Youw ant to me fok spamming as early as posisble

and to do that

[lime path]

don't fok -> finish spam?

[rigid mango]

uhh

[royal lantern]

deeüens on the situation

[rigid mango]

you ignore finishers at 5+ target

but if there's a prio target

[lime path]

orly? k

[rigid mango]

you'll pump envenoms into that

So say reap w boss

[royal lantern]

fok spam when you need dmg, finishers when somethign has priority like casters or big adds

[rigid mango]

you just fok into finisher onto boss

[royal lantern]

or finishers too high hp enemys in bolster weeks etc.....

[rigid mango]

yeah

[lime path]

aight thanks

[rigid mango]

If there's a target that needs to die faster than others

[royal lantern]

if you just need aoe dmg spamm fok like a mad man

[rigid mango]

You still pump env into them

^

[lime path]

and I'm assuming since subterfuged/stealthed garrotes are much stronger

i let them tick out if I don't have a vanish up to refresh

yeah?

[rigid mango]

You don't use garrote to reapply dots

After the first 3

[lime path]

that last question was for ST

my bad

[rigid mango]

ah

ye

Always let them tick out fully

[lime path]

just like feral

awesome

[rigid mango]

Yeah

If empowered

let tick for full

[royal lantern]

let garrote bleeds run out OR re-apply at the pandemic timers with vanish

[lime path]

yeah assuming vanish is down, let tick out

if vanish up, reapply on pandemic

[royal lantern]

ye, just let them run out and re-apply immediatly

[rigid mango]

idd

[lime path]

outside of opener evidently

which calls for double garrote for some reason

[rotund stone]

Any updates on best essences yet?

[royal lantern]

cus garrote with ss gives 3cp

[rigid mango]

@rotund stone

[meager nebula]

for essence info

[lime path]

right, ty tryan

[stuck knoll]

Is it not better to let them tick fully them double garrote rather than reapplying in pandemic with vanish

[lime path]

you can I guess, but you'd be 5.4s behind on the vanish timer, so maybe if you can't squeeze in an extra in a fight anyway it shouldn't matter much

but if you miss a vanish reapply then you lose out on dps

5.4s every 2 mins, so you'd be almost 11s behind on a 4 min fight

[stuck knoll]

There's rarely a fight where the timer is so tight though

[lime path]

which shouldn't matter too much I think, unless you miss an application

yeah

that's why it's not critical most of the time

your empowerment is on a 2min cd

the one I'm used to is on a 30s cd

which leaves a lot more room for error

[blissful moss]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[bright smelt]

8.2 is soon upon us

which means season 3 affix will soon be here

assuming it'll be an influx of more rogues swapping over to assa for more st(?)

[stuck knoll]

Likely but we'll see how things shake out

I doubt outlaw will be much worse at all anyway

[ripe nimbus]

U mean an influx of all the same rogues that were sin at the start of expansion swapping back from outlaw

[bright smelt]

possibly maybe

[wary ice]

😬

8.2 is sub world dudes

didnt you hear?

[bright smelt]

[royal lantern]

eh, many people started playing rogue in 8.1 because of outlaw

funny that rogue is still one of the least played classes ingame

[bright smelt]

isnt monk among those aswell?

least played that is

[wary ice]

rogue assassination is the only reason i play wow still tbh

[rigid mango]

Let's smack 'em with a

#wow-general

[bright smelt]

y u bulli

[cerulean walrus]

Gotta keep it on topic

[balmy stump]

Assuming I have every azerite piece, what is the best for single target?

just stack dd and treacherous cov?

with master assasin?

[tropic ocean]

3 dd 1 np 1 bbi 1 ttk with current gear

[rigid mango]

Asterisk on that, it's only because you get 3 OP with that

Specifically 1st boss goraks cepha

[flint jetty]

Kind of depends too. With Goraks there's a ~40dps difference between NP and BBI. At least for me anyways. When I had a little less crit and worse trinkets the difference was a bit greater though.

[rigid mango]

2nd NP might actually become better with lurkers

not simmed it

[faint harness]

the other assa in my guild runs double NP with lurkers

[rigid mango]

with goraks?

or

[faint harness]

yes

3 DD 2 NP 1 blightborne

[rigid mango]

Then there

Not suing np > bbi

[faint harness]

true

[rigid mango]

I'm debating the diff between bbi/np

3rd NP should get outvalued by bbi at every time

2nd np ius down to mast probs

[elfin valley]

Anyone know what the current build for rogues is on PTR?

[distant lava]

[elfin valley]

ah that was updated today didnt realize

[distant lava]

some people are messing around with stuff right now but it's mostly major feelycraft, we don't know yet

[elfin valley]

unfortunate

[onyx rock]

If i remember correctly BBI is better than a third NP if it procs 6 Times on a 5 min. fight. If it procs 5 Times the 3 NP is better. (With same Gear) For me personally BBI sims just ~100 Dps more with 6 Procs. @rigid mango

[spice surge]

It also depends on your other gear

For example with a really good lurkers NP gets way more value

[rigid mango]

Aye

Why it's so hard to generalise it into 1 statement

[spice surge]

From what i've seen with current gear level it seems like bbi and np is basicly equal if you have a 410-400ish lurkers

With bbi being better if you dont have one and np being better if you have a higher ilvl one than what i wrote

But thats generalizing

[strange python]

what is bbi

[rigid mango]

Blightborne infusion

[strange python]

ah ty

[misty edge]

Finally got my first weapon from a cache right before it gear goes up lol 😂

[rigid mango]

[opal oyster]

Hello, for M+ which traits do you guys recommend?

[rigid mango]

any mix of eb/ttk/ss

1 minimum of SS

Would recommend 2+ eb

[opal oyster]

thank you, i was looking HeroDamage and Bloodmallet, but they have different opinions

[rigid mango]

Those aren't very final for assa

You don't pick your picks purely on dps

[faint harness]

dungeon slice still in beta

[opal oyster]

Oh, i see

[sonic spindle]

does ttk proc decently off fok?

[rigid mango]

What?

[sonic spindle]

what makes ttk good for M+s?

[rigid mango]

Envenom damage

It's all it does

You pump envenoms into prio targets

[sonic spindle]

oh cuz you don't mut for double dose

[rigid mango]

You become a budget sub

[sonic spindle]

I'm dumb

[rigid mango]

??

Muti is a builder

Envenom is a spender

[sonic spindle]

I thought DD did more dmg than ttk

[faint harness]

why would you use mutilate on aoe

[rigid mango]

^

[faint harness]

[rigid mango]

[sonic spindle]

that's what I was thinking, eb as a builder then ttk

[rigid mango]

DD is hot garbage for m+

[sonic spindle]

which is why you'd take ttk over dd

[rigid mango]

because you barely ever use it

[faint harness]

thats exactly what he's saying

[rigid mango]

I eman it's not like

"just take it over"

DD is garbage, one of the worst there is

TTK is an entirely diff build

You build to spend with big envenoms into a prio target that needs to die before other stuff

[icy ember]

well DD isn't garbage, i use 3x DD on my raid set

🤷

[meager nebula]

good for raid

bad for m+

[icy ember]

but im outlaw for M+ so, ya

[rigid mango]

If you read what we're talking about yes,.

[icy ember]

ye, i saw after reading above

[rigid mango]

Obvously it's very good for raid.

not so obviously to all garbage for m+

[icy ember]

well for the upcoming raid, how many ST fights are there?

[rigid mango]

[atomic saddle]

Do we have any information yet if leatherworking or engineering will provide better items for raiding in 8.2?

[rigid mango]

Google 8.2 professions and maybe there'll be a good answer there?

[atomic saddle]

I asked if we have sims or valid information yet, not where I can look up the new items ;)

[rigid mango]

You asked if they'll provide better items

I didn't know better specified sims or valid information

[atomic saddle]

I wanted to know if the goggles will be better than the leatherworking items, sorry if i wasnt clear enough in my question

[spice surge]

Depends on what other pieces you get

The helm is likely a better increase week 1

But the LW items are probably a better increase after a while

But engi also allows you to trade azerite, which might benefit your group more than you having an extra socket

So yes and no

[shy dust]

!essence

[rigid mango]

Doesn't work anymore.

[atomic saddle]

ok thx man

[shy dust]

Oh RIP

[spice surge]

It was/is outdated

[rigid mango]

Too many builds where shit changed

The information was very off and most likely would've just ended with more confusion and misleading than anything

[atomic saddle]

Still not sure if I should drop engineering or alchemy for leatherworking :x

[vapid scarab]

pretty sure first boss drops a helm so engi is kinda worthless

[rigid mango]

If traits stay the same, 1st boss helm's gonna be BiS.

[opal oyster]

NP ou DD for ST?

[rigid mango]

Depending on the encounter, yes

generally check wcl to see what people are running

[opal oyster]

i will do that, ty 😃

[red plaza]

1st boss in Eternal Palace? Isn't that helm ttk/dd without op as the third trait? Engi helm will still be good , and if you get a better dungeon helm, the Engi one will be good for outlaw as well

[rigid mango]

Not 1st boss you're right

[vapid scarab]

getting an azerite piece with slightly more optimal t3 traits is nowhere near getting two guaranteed items 5ilvl below mythic with guaranteed sockets

[rigid mango]

7th

[red plaza]

O_O they have sockets?

[vapid scarab]

there's a helm on the first boss to

[red plaza]

oh wait nvm

[vapid scarab]

1st and 4th

[red plaza]

ya

[meager nebula]

Engi will be quite worthless for all specs compared to LW

[icy ember]

that makes me as i recently re-leveled engineering

[red plaza]

meh, from a min/max dps point of view ya...but you'll have a defensive belt shield/battle res/repair bot/unlimited glide/mounts/etc

[vast forum]

capital city ah > any dps increase

unless you have the long boi

[red plaza]

^^ oh yeah especially with flying, no more gliding down and hearthin/whistling up lol

[inland gull]

guys, is the season ending now, or just next week?

[meager nebula]

the season will still continue for 2 weeks after next week, but you can't get any of the achievements during that time afaik

[lofty jay]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[errant viper]

3 EB 1 SoB 1 SS 1 TtK vs 2EB 1 SoB 1 SS 2 TtK for this week on Traits? 😮

[rigid mango]

1st one

but SoB 🤢

[errant viper]

Yeah 😦

Was thinking of swapping 1 EB for 1 TtK due to tyrannical

But then again it's also teeming so

[warm harbor]

depends on your comp this week, if you have a AoE spec in your group (eg another outlaw) drop the EB for TTK, if you dont/or your pugging probs keep the EB

[nimble tartan]

if u runnin 3 ddhow many targets until its better to fok (no prio target) 🤤

[warm harbor]

general rule is usually around 5 but this can vary as you can get your poisons onto more targets in less GCD's using FoK, so on like 3-4 targets it can be worth Fok'ing then rupturing a couple targets can go back to only mut

[prisma carbon]

!essences

[civic palm]

Give that a week 👍

[prisma carbon]

😡

[crisp hollow]

do I run hidden blades with EB build?

[solid nova]

No

[crisp hollow]

this week CT then?

i have a 420 2/2/2 setup of EB/SS/TTK so actually playing sin in keys for once

[worldly iron]

PB

[crisp hollow]

TB too?

[bronze kelp]

sure tb too ^^

[crisp hollow]

when do I stop rupturing targets and start envenoming?

[bronze kelp]

when u got enough energy reg, usually 4 ruptures

could also be 4-5

[sly sable]

uh guys would you rather take 3xEB,1xSS,2xTTK or 2,2,2 of the former traits this week ? kinda iffy assassination gear rn

nvm, answer is probably 3x eb if we're lacking aoe and 2x eb if not

lol

[solemn meadow]

do we know what essence is simming the best atm?

Major ones

[meager nebula]

Sims aren't available yet

Check the pins for more info

[lime path]

bursting blood ever worth using? or agi pots all day whether its ST or AoE

[winter moss]

imo the flat agi potions is better

cuz your bleeds get enhanced aswell

bursting blood only has a chance to proc on attacks

[lime path]

doesn't proc on bleed ticks? lame

[winter moss]

iirc it does not

https://www.wowhead.com/item=152560/potion-of-bursting-blood

it does not

[bronze kelp]

im stuggling a bit with the decision if CD is better on tyrannical FH 20+ or elusivness :/

[empty mirage]

Hey Guys, is it wise to run one or two echoing blade traits in tyranical weeks for faster trash clearing ?

Other then that I have 2x double dose and 1x SS and 1 Trec coven ?

Still new at assa m+

[bronze kelp]

take the 2 EB

DD is nearly never a good choice in m+

EB, TTK, SS these are the 3 traits you want. If youre lacking of those, SoB is not that bad, als TC, but DD is pure ST, and depending on your group and how the tank pulls (reaping into bosses e.g.) you wont use Mutilate very much

[empty mirage]

@bronze kelp But I have no option to take other traits except 2x DD. Maybe I can swap 1 x DD with 1 X ss so will have on the end 1xDD 2xSS with 2 X EB

[winter moss]

@bronze kelp thats a good question. elusiveness gives you more survivability

[empty mirage]

still descent ?

[winter moss]

cd saves yo ass when u fuck up

[bronze kelp]

@empty mirage if you have nothing better, u have to take that

[winter moss]

most of the time i run elusiveness

exactly: i run elusiveness hwen eudora is up

[bronze kelp]

@winter moss i only ask cause of first boss and second with eudora

[winter moss]

and pray on first boss rng

[bronze kelp]

for eudora u have more skills to avoid the damage with evasion, vanish and if elusivness, sure feint

but cptn always fucks me up and i got terrible bad luck

sure i could outrange every 2nd shot

for safety purpose

[winter moss]

tell me when you get targeted six times in a row by eudora

[bronze kelp]

got it 5 times 2 weeks ago 😦

terrible exp

[winter moss]

pray to sweet baby jesus you survive

[bronze kelp]

but got 2 shots int evasion so it was nice

[winter moss]

nice

didnt manage to do that

[bronze kelp]

last of the 5 shots killed me anyway ^^

2 evasion 1 feint 1 vanish last dead

[shy axle]

what is you spellquewindow? ms+100? or what are you guys using

[vestal wren]

400 is default iirc

else, it should be at least 20 above your ping

[shy axle]

are you changing it or going with the 400?

[faint harness]

All i know about it is that the lower MS you use the more accurate you have to be with your clicks

So someone might look at spellqueuing MS and think, whoa i want lower. But nah

[winter moss]

spellq varies from spec to spec for me

i play sin with default i think

[faint harness]

I feel like 100 ish fits me well, means i can spam without cucking myself

[winter moss]

it's totally personal preference

and doesnt affect you if you know how to handle it

[faint harness]

yea, the ppl that just click an ability once its actually off GCD/CD is gonna benefit more from lower ms

someone like me that starts spamming something 1-2 seconds before it comes off CD, probably wants more MS

i'm no piano player, full OOK OOK here

[winter moss]

well, you do you

but with proper planing you wont need to smash more than one button

[crisp hollow]

2/2/2 feels really good so far

with SS/TTK/EB

[winter moss]

2 of each are pretty solid in basically every dungeon and affix combo, ye

[still pewter]

1. Neck trait: Vision
2. Run triple nothing personal
3. ???
4. Profit

[winter moss]

fact or opinion?

[faint harness]

It does have some synergy

[winter moss]

doesnt mean its the go to

[faint harness]

Nope

[winter moss]

probably will but you get what i mean

[faint harness]

There might be some that we havent thought off that are actually really good

Like that 10% haste + dmg procs one

I assume the dmg it does will increase with vendetta up

[hidden plinth]

which profesion do you like the most for m+/mythic raiding?

[winter moss]

alch+engi

[faint harness]

engi for m+

[winter moss]

+1 farmchar to farm the mats

most common: druid

[faint harness]

LW will be strong in next patch due to guaranteed sockets

[winter moss]

ye

[worldly iron]

deffo #wow-general talk

[faint harness]

True, didnt reflect on that

[tropic ocean]

think if I see rogue with 3 dd 2 np in dungeon again I will start a piggy bank whenever I see an assa with superbad traits ill put 5€ in

[winter moss]

who plays dd in dungeons

[faint harness]

cheap ppl that cba rerolling traits for m+

[winter moss]

40min key, maybe 10min boss fights, defo DD will pull ahead

[tropic ocean]

more like 24min key but still

<2min boss

https://prnt.sc/o3ryfw

boss dps is nice but it just guts your overall so hard

:/

[winter moss]

10/10 name

a+ for effort

[tropic ocean]

think I will make a ravenholdt macro and bind it to taunt

😄

[faint harness]

prot warrior topping

[winter moss]

realm aus?

[tropic ocean]

blackrock

[winter moss]

ah ic

[faint harness]

Das germans

[tropic ocean]

think the only thing I switch is helmet to ss np

for tos or kr tyran

saw some guy in this disc mention it and it worked decently

[lime path]

this is insane

[tropic ocean]

for chest shoulder I basically never change traits

[lime path]

being rejected from +2 keys

lmao

TTK or SS to go with NP?

sim shows them as minimal difference

[tropic ocean]

for what content

[lime path]

lets say m+

is one better for fort and one for tyrannical?

[tropic ocean]

ttk ss over np

[lime path]

cuz I have a 2nd copy of seafarers to play with

k

[tropic ocean]

np only use is high tyran if u struggle st which you shouldnt as sin

[lime path]

is NP's value inflated on bloodmallet?

k

[tropic ocean]

bloodmallet doesnt show m+ value

on a st patchwerk fight y np is good

in m+ its not

[lime path]

oh i misread the gear

NP is just on there as the only good option in its tier

choice is between SS and TTK

derp sorry

[tropic ocean]

if u have already 1 ss in other gear go ttk

[lime path]

I do

okay

ty

[tropic ocean]

https://prnt.sc/o3s4nb

this what i use pretty much all week

[faint harness]

Tripple EB

[tropic ocean]

gotta sit them outluls down

[faint harness]

I still cant get it, shit azeritres.

[crisp hollow]

whats the non-spyglass trinket? I see seli using it a lot too

is it from CoS?

[distant lava]

from uwunat

[tropic ocean]

y

[distant lava]

insane for sin

[faint harness]

Uwunat

[tropic ocean]

https://prnt.sc/o3s5s1

masterrace trinket for sin

[faint harness]

cant wait to proc it to 440

[nimble tartan]

leatherworkers get sockets on gear pogies

[crisp hollow]

i'll try and get one this week

[tropic ocean]

I guess 1 lurkers would be superior to spyglass+dice even

[crisp hollow]

i just fell into a good sin setup tonight so its fuck outlaw

my overall is really close so far too so can't complain

[faint harness]

unless you play with the same group all the time its hard to compare

[crisp hollow]

yeah im just eyeballing

[distant lava]

the difference between sin and law can't be seen on overall tho

[crisp hollow]

but even if there was a major difference, im gonna play what I like

outlaw was more a matter of necessity when I came back

cuz ease of gearing

now i have setups for sin so why bother right

[tropic ocean]

sin rogue best rogue

[solemn meadow]

do we know how the essence that procs your cd works with vendetta?

your target will get the debuff?

[tropic ocean]

it works with vendetta y

[strange python]

hey guys just to confirm - i fok 2 targets with 3xEB right?

rogue main with much higher io than me told me to NEVER press fok on 2 targets under any circumstances

[dark crag]

Yes

[marble hemlock]

1fok will deal more damage on 2targets than 1 mutilate, while generating less CP

so the priority changes dependign on whether you can do something useful with those CP (i.e. refresh rupture before dots run out or funnel envenoms with multiple TTK traits into a TB window) or just wanna maximize damage per global cooldown, in which case you wanna fok on 2 targets with 3EB already

the way i personally do it on 2targets is to mutilate once, and if i get a 2 or 3cp mutilate i fok after to get to 4+ and finish

so ideally it looks like this:
mutilate gives 4cp -> finish
mutilate gives 3cp -> fok once, get 1-3 additional CP, finish
mutilate gives 2cp -> fok once, if you get 2+ cp, finish. if you dont and sit at 3cp, refresh garrote on a target for the 4th cp, finish

[strange python]

okay. thanks, friends. that's what i do, seli

guy was just trying to tell me i was playing bad at every chance he got for some reason

[marble hemlock]

some people are like that 😦

[strange python]

not even sure why. i think i was playing fine. and he mega inted the last boss of TD 3 times

[faint harness]

Just humanbeings, awful species

[strange python]

is assas st rotation still the same as it were start of bod ?

[tropic ocean]

[strange python]

did blizz made any more changes to this must have rogue in m+ than those invi pots ?

for 8.2