assassination

[civic palm]

If you lose a cast of VANISH you're smashing shit so hard it doesn't matter.

[quasi pewter]

apl pumps everything on cd because thats ideal if you dont know anything or fight length is unlimited

[civic palm]

or, reeeeeeally fucked up.

[white basalt]

MA or subterfuge for Stormwall? 1xSS

[vapid scarab]

whatever sims higher for ST

[rigid mango]

It's more or less patchwerk fight

just take whatever sims highest

[vapid scarab]

you aren't gonna be dotting adds

[rigid mango]

Unless your ranged suck

[vapid scarab]

or padding

[white basalt]

so with MA i shouldnr use garrote during MA window right

[vapid scarab]

no

[rigid mango]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/

[white basalt]

sorry guys, dont mean to ask dumb questions. just trying out new talents and in mythic raid, ty for answers tho

[rough agate]

Do we have essence updates at all, curious to know which I should be going for when patch drops

[vapid scarab]

the patch isn't here yet so why does it matter

you will know what essences to get when it actually matters

[visual quartz]

honestly wish I could be last 3 mythic and still learning

[sturdy python]

Many people like to be prepared ahead of time, it's not an odd thing. But no one has done enough research to know yet.

[vapid scarab]

i mean if you're as good as you think you are then there's no reason you can't be

[rigid mango]

There'll be more information when the patch closes in @rough agate , they're still going through changes

Most likely there'll be some sort of ptr build in the coming weeks, seeing as the patch is thought to drop late june/early july

[high ruin]

do yall have different gear setups for mt and st or do you just have a hybrid gear

[civic palm]

Different sets.

[rigid mango]

haste poo poo for m+, very good for st

need 2 diff sets

[civic palm]

Yarrr.

Personally it's like...

ST: DDx3 | NPx2 | TCx1 (Huge Haste 20%+)
MT: EBx3 | TtKx2 | SSx1 (Huge Crit/Mastery/Vers)

[rigid mango]

Same but instead of tc bbi for me

[civic palm]

I wanna dump that TC so hard O _O

alas

[rigid mango]

how many op's do you have?

[civic palm]

2 in ST IIRC

1-2 in MT I think.

[rigid mango]

Only have 13.5% haste for ST though

[civic palm]

I am at like, 21-22%, something mongo.

[rigid mango]

I'm not even gemming full haste, a lot is gemmed into mastery

[placid flint]

Dumb question but asking out of curiosity. With the new M+ affix, do you guys think sin might over take outlaw? I'm really sick of seeing outlaw rogues as kings of M+ 😛

[rigid mango]

Yes

But we'll have to wait and see

[civic palm]

They're FOTM, not Kings, baring no weirdness with Essences SIN should be better in AoE than OTL in 8.2.

[rigid mango]

They'll both be good, probably

[placid flint]

Got pretty bored of Outlaw...but if sin starts to appear more, may swap back into my rogue for 8.2...

Debating Frost mage vs rogue atm for main in M+

[rigid mango]

They're more or less equal now anyways

[placid flint]

sin feels more trait reliant

[rigid mango]

Yes, doesn't mean they're not close to equal on peak

If you want to compare sub-par versions of both specs idk

[pastel wasp]

Man bring back sub

[civic palm]

#subtlety 👈 It's right there :3

[pastel wasp]

I play sin even though outlaw is better. Just because it’s too boring

[rigid mango]

Let's whine about sub again

#subtlety is for doing exactly that.

[pastel wasp]

Relax I ain’t going back there again

[rigid mango]

Soooo, why whine about it

[pastel wasp]

?

You guys were whining so I joined lol

[rigid mango]

?

[pastel wasp]

Outlaw v sin

Anyway moving on

[rigid mango]

I cba

[high ruin]

so with the rotation, is it not worth getting rupture in the subterfuge period? I see most guides saying to dump all points before vanishing

[vapid scarab]

rupture doesnt do anything with subterfuge

[high ruin]

oh i see it's garrote specific

sorry i'm brand new

[flint jetty]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[crude chasm]

!help

[vapid scarab]

what do you need help with @crude chasm

[crude chasm]

i just need help with the opener, i see alot of opener without shrouded suffocation

[civic palm]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/

[crude chasm]

I just saw an error of mine, thank you!

[crisp hollow]

is the opener section in the sin guide still good? i was told those guides were outdated

[civic palm]

Who toldya that?

[crisp hollow]

some dude in the outlaw chat a few days ago

[civic palm]

Some dude, okay. SIN Guide is up-to-date.

[crisp hollow]

cool

[bronze kelp]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[exotic rose]

Hey guys, with the new essence that gives us vendetta, what happens if we are already on vendeta and it procs? Does it extend duration? Also, if we fok, can it randomly apply vendetta to any target?

Sorry, I don’t have beta to test.

[winter moss]

cant tell you

iirc there are not much essences available for testing

[exotic rose]

Fair enough.

Thanks.

[winter moss]

@exotic rose
https://www.wowhead.com/guides/heart-of-azeroth-essence-overview#essenceall-vision-of-perfection is all i come up with. sorry to let you down

[bronze kelp]

did blizz mention if you have to get rank 1 then 2 then 3 then 4 ? or is is possible to get rank 1 and then instant rank 4 ?

[winter moss]

probably like every other recipe learned in wow

"Requires Rank X"

plus rank4's are often behind a tremendous amount of work so

[granite beacon]

4 is just cosmetic, isn't it?

[bronze kelp]

yeah, but e.g. vision of perfection. guess you can do the achievement before doing rank 2 and rank 3 stuff. but what said sounds fair

yeah, 4 is cosmetic afaik

in the powers there are only 3 ranks

[winter moss]

like blood of the enemy

you'll get the ranks in order bound to the achievment

and tbh it would be ridiculous to get 4 before 2 or 3.

then again it's blizz. concerning essences any wild guesses which 3 sins gonna hunt?

[granite beacon]

Vision sounds good because of the energy from the procs

[simple gulch]

What's the macro to use Tricks of the trade on oyur arena partner
Does /cast [@party1] do the trick in arenas?
or should i change it to arena1?

[granite beacon]

But it's up in the air tbh

Could be the crit one is overtuned and everyone takes that

[simple gulch]

I know im supposed to post in pvp but no one's there and I don't have muc htime

[winter moss]

imo major power: vision minor1: blood of the enemy

minor 2: ???

[simple gulch]

nvm found it

[crisp hollow]

anyone know where I can find good plater profiles for sin? i've tried 3 off wago and they're pretty rough

[tropic ocean]

Copy the one from your favorite streamer or

Create one from yourself from the bottom (it takes some hours but totally worth it)

[modest tendon]

Can anybody give me some tips on reading logs? I dont really know what to look for when I'm comparing myself to other players, especially when it comes to other rogues

[tropic ocean]

Dont look at pure dps

Rather check castcounts in same amount of tome

Time*

And buff uptimes

[modest tendon]

Thx, anything else?

[winter moss]

want to be a suprise to your healers

check dmg taken

then figure out if you can avoid some of it and how

[sullen pagoda]

Nah fam its their job to heal

Plus healers want logs too

[bronze kelp]

You can autoanalyze with wowanalyzer 😉

Or is it not a thing anymore

[royal lantern]

healers wont get better logs by you standing in shit

they get logs by spamming cd's on...well....cd and no other healer doing it at all

[winter moss]

EXECUTION ranking is all that matters

disregard your personal log

[royal lantern]

pretty stupid btw, healer logs are pretty worthless

[sullen pagoda]

Oh trust me @royal lantern when bomb exploded in raid on mekka mythic while i had wings up

Best day ever

[royal lantern]

yeha, but thats wath i mean lol

you dont get healing logs by playing good, but by abusing your cd extremly selfish too push your hps

stuff like a mekka bomb in the raid is the expecption cus normaly that will wipe you lel

[sullen pagoda]

True but its farm noone cares really

Ofc u dont do that kind of thing on prog

[royal lantern]

''flashback too our stupid monk sniping every single tranq with revival cus he is a hps whore until he got kicked'' yeha you dont do that on progression, you are right

[knotty falcon]

That’s called a pretty bad player

[winter moss]

assa topic?

[knotty falcon]

Crimson vial

[stuck knoll]

He's not wrong back on topic

[royal lantern]

leeching poison+vial on cd for that 100 healing log

[stuck knoll]

@modest tendon look at your actual rotation like Aus said rather than dps ranking. Look at your garrote rupture uptimes see if there were spots where they dropped when they shouldn't, look at your tbs and check to make sure you got 2 in each if you didn't make sure to next time

Make sure to sync van + vendetta

[modest tendon]

ty

[cobalt pelican]

your ability to look through logs kinda just increases linearly with your knowledge of the spec

if you're looking mostly at other players for now it's pretty fine to just look through cast timelines and skim through them till something shows up that you don't quite understand

[crisp shard]

3 targets and low crit build do we still muti outside of vendetta windows?

FoK shouldn’t generate more cp on average at any crit % right? And the dmg without EB feels pretty irrelevant

[vapid scarab]

if you aren't running EB then still use mut

at 3

[crisp shard]

This is what you get for barely playing the spec anymore :/

[solid nova]

FoK at 3+, 2+ with EB.

@crisp shard

[crisp shard]

Does 3+ mean 3< or 3 and upwards? @solid nova

[solid nova]

3 targets

or more

3+

[rigid mango]

Assuming you have triaits

5+ with dd 2+ with eb

[crisp shard]

So at traits without impact on fok/muti (ex SS/NP) you want to fok on three targets because the dmg increase is high enough it outweighs the loss in CPs and finishers?

[rigid mango]

Yes.

[crisp shard]

Feels so weird playing

[rigid mango]

3+

[crisp shard]

Only talking 3 targets

[signal summit]

what if u have 3 Double dose tho

[rigid mango]

???

If you have a single one, it's 5+ targets you fok at

[crisp shard]

What makes the apl of raidbots use muti over fok on 3 targets? Uses 6x the amount of muti over fok

[dark crag]

Dd

[tough skiff]

Which essence you guys will be using in 8.2?

[sullen pagoda]

the ones that sim the highest

[lone junco]

ayo

[tough skiff]

Looks like Vision of Perfection plus 3x NP will destroy everything

[bleak spoke]

Man vanish not lining with vendetta at all seems pretty unlucky though

[rigid mango]

how much does it reduce with @bleak spoke

?

[bleak spoke]

Cd goes to 1:40

Super awkward

[rigid mango]

yuck

Do you just line it up anyways?

Or what's the play here chief

Sounds really bad

[bleak spoke]

Okay so I was speaking with seli several months ago about exactly how behind nightstalker was compared to the other two options

Sigh

[rigid mango]

NS build?

uh oh

[bleak spoke]

I thought that maybe it would be okay cuz a full duration rupture is 32s right

So you use vendetta on cd right

[rigid mango]

This sounds reaaaaaally lame though

[bleak spoke]

And then you have a decent chance that vop activates it during the buffed rupture

[rigid mango]

Does full NP pop every tiem still?

each minor vend proc

[bleak spoke]

It’s a full np with the energy from the trait

[rigid mango]

full NP

[hidden plinth]

Does NP still procc for the full duration?

[rigid mango]

Jesus

[bleak spoke]

Yeah

[rigid mango]

I don't like the sound of this

at all

It sounds anti fun to play

I don't care about fun or not

good or not*

[hidden plinth]

Hopefully they don't nerf it like the warlock traits

[bleak spoke]

So like I kinda thought maybe you just let the cooldowns be disparate

And some point during the fight while just doing your thing you get lucky and react to it

[rustic onyx]

what about vendetta on cd and holding vanish for a proc since with the ma build it's only 3 sec burst

[bleak spoke]

By spending more energy

[rustic onyx]

or the next vendeta

[rigid mango]

huh

[bleak spoke]

Yeah that seems fine too but like

The longer you hold vanish the worse that gets right

[rigid mango]

That sounds like, really bad to play

[bleak spoke]

And you need to have a Tb window

Otherwise that’s aids

[rustic onyx]

i guess i mean i don't feel like holding vanish is that bad if you doesn't play ss

[sullen pagoda]

@rigid mango whats u mean, uncontrollable procs are super fun and they will fix gameplay in 8.2

[rigid mango]

This just sounds like a bunch of RNg shit needs to aling

for you to pop the fuck off, if you don't

You just do nothing

yeah cribs, sounds great

[sullen pagoda]

they probably heard players say gameplay was never worse

"hold my beer"

[hidden plinth]

Back to Legion and hope for bomb proccs

[rigid mango]

HMB lemme shit on yo chest

[bleak spoke]

Alternative I think

[rigid mango]

Sheesh, I really don't like the sound of this

[bleak spoke]

You play deeper strat and you play little to no haste

[rigid mango]

Outlaw here I come

[bleak spoke]

And you pool like crazy

[rigid mango]

and just wait for procs?

[bleak spoke]

Then when you get a vendetta proc you slam

[rigid mango]

That also sounds horrendous

[bleak spoke]

And the extra energy means you keep slamming

[rigid mango]

Like, waiting for super random procs

[sullen pagoda]

8.2 sounds like poison bomb slot machine from legion

[bleak spoke]

And when it’s over then you pool

[rigid mango]

hm

[sullen pagoda]

will your PB do 2% or 15% of your dmg find out now!

[rigid mango]

Is there any alternative that looks decent?

to this shitshow

[bleak spoke]

Of course odo suggested when I mentioned this lol I guess you should just play venom rush to take out the rng

And that was when it got really degen

[rigid mango]

Venom rush

I don't evne know what that is

[bleak spoke]

And I refused to consider venom rush at all

[sullen pagoda]

legit

[bleak spoke]

The talent on the Tb exsang tier that’s literally so boring no one knows it exists yeah

[rigid mango]

Ah

It's the 3rd one

[sullen pagoda]

wait i need to google it

[rigid mango]

That I've never even glanced at

Yeah I'm opening wow to check

http://prntscr.com/o1w2s6

[sullen pagoda]

i dont get what does it fix tho

[bleak spoke]

Actually mongo talent

[rigid mango]

Like, if that talent was on like

[bleak spoke]

It fixes not needing to have a Tb available when a vendetta procs

[hidden plinth]

Tbh procc builds are much more fun than playing your fucking rota for 8 min straight

[rigid mango]

first tier?

maybe it'd be decent

but exsang/tb tier jesus

please no.

[sullen pagoda]

yeah idk about that one

[bleak spoke]

Yeah personally I don’t think we play vop at all

[spice surge]

+Crit damage one is decent too, but also lines up poorly with vendetta+vanish

[rigid mango]

That sounds insanely bad compared to the other two

[sullen pagoda]

even outside of your vendetta procs tb is probably better

[bleak spoke]

Eleem does Tb affect np dam

[spice surge]

yes

as does MA

[bleak spoke]

Okay we’re fine then

[rigid mango]

Don't see that ever being picked up

tbh

[bleak spoke]

Cuz if you get a proc

[rigid mango]

Just seems like a question of 2nd tier talent at this point

[bleak spoke]

Thenyou will get a Tb up at some point during it

[vapid scarab]

pretty sure essence of perfection is fixed rppm so it's not really rng

[sullen pagoda]

so its gonna be RNG on top of RNG

fun times

[rigid mango]

[spice surge]

rppm is still rng

[rigid mango]

rppm is still rng

ye

[bleak spoke]

^

[rigid mango]

lol

what

[spice surge]

2 times a minute can be the first 20 seconds or the last 20 seconds (if its a 10s proc)

[rigid mango]

And can always align poorly with tb

[sullen pagoda]

maining warlock

sounds more fun by the moment

[bleak spoke]

Yeah right

[rigid mango]

Just

ending sub

[bleak spoke]

Imagine your opener

[rigid mango]

sounds more fun

imo

[bleak spoke]

Being warforged or Titan forced

Based on shard gen

From agony

[spice surge]

still no sub buffs at all on ptr

[bleak spoke]

That’s the real cancer

[rigid mango]

Dude I just cba this shit

[bleak spoke]

A 3 shard glare vs 4 shard vs 5 shard

Completely random which one you get every pull

[rigid mango]

I cba cd's aligning so poorly

[bleak spoke]

Each one does 15k more burst

[sullen pagoda]

nah its fineeeeeeeee, someone said its top 2 specs ST sub doesnt need buff

[bleak spoke]

Than the last

[rigid mango]

If it only reduced vanish too

but that would be broken

so

[spice surge]

I already really dislike tb being 25s instead of 30s

or 20s

[bleak spoke]

True

[rigid mango]

Yeah but in the end it's like, not aligning by small margin

and just chilling w vend etc for like 10 sec

or whatever it is

which most fights doesn't actually matter

This would be fucking up the entire rythm of the cds

[sullen pagoda]

this is some feelycraft but it will probably make MA weaker than subterfuge by decent margin

[rigid mango]

Depends on proc rng with tb aligning

[sullen pagoda]

just proc :4head:

[rigid mango]

tilted irl

[spice surge]

Why would subterfuge get better

[bleak spoke]

Legit I don’t think that it’d be as good as crit essence

[rigid mango]

hm

major is still relativly untouched aint it?

it's just the minor that was quite gutted

[spice surge]

Crit major yeah, but it being 90s cd is just so off

[bleak spoke]

Yeah

[rigid mango]

It's fine eleem

[bleak spoke]

It’s just very strange for 2 minutes

[rigid mango]

aligns at 6 min

[sullen pagoda]

@spice surge again feelycraft but MA depends on vendetta more i think so having them not line up makes it weaker

[spice surge]

why would it depend on vendetta more?

[rigid mango]

hm

it seems weird that too

doesn't alighn with vend

and just ends up being choice between not using it properly vs not using it properly

[spice surge]

If anything NS is the least dependant on vendetta since half of that rupture is already outside vendetta

[sullen pagoda]

because those 3 gcds not being buffed by vendetta and having NP ticks inside MA

[bleak spoke]

Yeah that’s why I thought maybe ns

Cuz it’s the least vendetta dependent

[rigid mango]

NS is v boring though

[sullen pagoda]

i didnt consider NS

no idea how it even sims atm

[rigid mango]

Not that far behind

afiak

afaik*

[bleak spoke]

Not very far behind according to seli

[spice surge]

Like 1-1.5%

Last i checked

[bleak spoke]

I’m worried about how scaling will interact with mp vs ep as well

[rigid mango]

hm it might actually be the play

uhh

could exsang possibly be much better?

since it aligns properly with the crit one

[spice surge]

ep will always be better

[bleak spoke]

That’s reassuring

[spice surge]

Unless they introduce something that scales of mp

Or massively buffs poisons

[bleak spoke]

EP feels hella good

[rigid mango]

aint MP just like

more dmg in the background

more than anything

[bleak spoke]

Flat % dam increase to poisons

[rigid mango]

Neat.

Sounds fun

[bleak spoke]

But doesn’t count all nature damage

[rigid mango]

Like VR

[bleak spoke]

Excludes envenom etc

[rigid mango]

for me

NS is 2% behind

[bleak spoke]

It’s further helped by nothing buffing rupture damage really

Ns I mean

Not being meta

[rigid mango]

yeh

I mean I understand that

but like

if you take crit major

since that's 1.5 min right?

wont that mean exsang might be better since it aligns properly with it

[bleak spoke]

I mean we could very well take crucible of flame

Cuz it snapshots your damage

[granite beacon]

Good news

[rigid mango]

Which one's that?

[bleak spoke]

And operates on charges with low cd

Err hard to explain

Just look it up

[granite beacon]

I'm a sin main again :D

[rigid mango]

Fair enough

I like the colour

hm

idk

does exsang or tb scale particuarly well?

[bleak spoke]

Basically if you can line a progressive snapshot on second vendetta that would be very disgusting

[rigid mango]

like especially better than the other

[bleak spoke]

Tb

[rigid mango]

hm

Yea that makes sense

idk

[bleak spoke]

Which imo is good

Tb is more interesting on st

[rigid mango]

this all feels like such a shitshow

aye, I agree

tb is my fav ability I think

atm

feels like the one thing you actually play around properly

[bleak spoke]

The interaction between tb env and ep is actually so good

[rigid mango]

idd

idk

Exsang gets much better with sub

but NS can

can't* be that bad either for it, right?

exsang that full rup

[bleak spoke]

Subt garrote and ss too dominant

[spice surge]

There nothing that buffs rupture scaling

[bleak spoke]

If exsang is the play

[spice surge]

Whereas NP/DD both buff tb scaling

[rigid mango]

Yeh

DS NS

Sounds horrible too

[bleak spoke]

6 cp is so awkward for sin

[rigid mango]

idd

[bleak spoke]

Cuz you can’t make 5 cp with a muti

So with high crit you waste cp with no crits you’re fucked

[rigid mango]

Aye

but i assume DS makes NS better

[bleak spoke]

probably?

man part of me wishes blindside was the best

[rigid mango]

I've never even touched it

[bleak spoke]

me neither but it looks compelling

[rigid mango]

It looks fun to play with

Is there a main reason it's not good atm?

[bleak spoke]

doesn't proc dd

[rigid mango]

Ah

[bleak spoke]

doesn't generate as many cp as muti

[rigid mango]

Just because muti is too good

[spice surge]

With DDs its not even worth to use blindside under 35%

Only during the proc

[rigid mango]

yikes

Is it possible to take on heavy cleave shit when you take 3 SS + a couple NP

[hidden plinth]

What's your opinion about the new execute haste trinket?

[rigid mango]

and you might end up not using any DD?

[bleak spoke]

DD is too good

on ST at least

[rigid mango]

Aye

[bleak spoke]

when you cleave you don't mutilate to begin with much

[rigid mango]

even with 3 DD, blindside is only ~3% away

for me

only

[bleak spoke]

i wonder if blindside makes DS feel playable

[rigid mango]

might do

[bleak spoke]

where you have a button to press that isn't garrote at 4 cp

[rigid mango]

BS NS DS

Alternate timeline

[bleak spoke]

l0l

that would be very strange yeah

[rigid mango]

Just like thinking about it doesn't feel too bad

BS makes DS better, DS makes NS better

[bleak spoke]

hmm muti's base dam on my tooltip is 5.2k, blindside's is 7.7, muti costs 50 and blindside costs 30

hmmmm

[rigid mango]

Take no DD, go 3 SS with sub, fuck NS and go exsang with crit major

3 SS 3 NP with crit/perfection

[bleak spoke]

hmm how does deeper sim for you

[rigid mango]

2.7% loss

no

1.7%*

I can't count

[spice surge]

SS is fairly garbage with vision though

[rigid mango]

That's w 3dd 2np 1bbi

3 op

[spice surge]

Since you wont have garrotes during vendetta

unless you delay it

[rigid mango]

ye idk

I'm just doing plays

[bleak spoke]

yeah SS and subt just make vanish an even more central CD

that you already have to delay for

[rigid mango]

Is there anything that can make DS better?

Trait wise

Makes ttk better, I'd guess?

[bleak spoke]

a third dagger to mutilate with :^)

[rigid mango]

That too

[bleak spoke]

but yeah probably ttk

[rigid mango]

Stab'em with your manly dagger 😉

[bleak spoke]

cuz like you only have 2 finishers

and rupture isn't buffed by anything

except nightstalker i guess

in which case i guess deeper does make it do more

[rigid mango]

Yeah

The only things I can see making DS better are NS and TTK's

[bleak spoke]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nEjj1p8fkjkEWAYszQJxAe somewhat interesting?

[rigid mango]

SoB

[bleak spoke]

sob doesn't buff rupture

it buffs you as a conditional of having rupture applied

[rigid mango]

Yeh just means you have to pump out less ruptures

on shit like constant 3 target

I don't have enough good ttk pieces to check what the diff would be

with higher ttk's and ds

[bleak spoke]

in 3t you should have ruptures on all targets anyway though

i'm pretty certain

[rigid mango]

Yeah probs

[bleak spoke]

and i think it's the only situation where you garrote all targets at all points as well

[rigid mango]

Even with 3 ttk

MFD sims better than ds

Which seems weird to me

[bleak spoke]

well

i mean isn't mfd and vigor very similar already

like in terms of sims

[rigid mango]

will check 1 sec

2.4% loss

[bleak spoke]

huh

that much?

[rigid mango]

Aye

[bleak spoke]

thoguht mfd and vig were way closer

[rigid mango]

It's quite significant

[bleak spoke]

gonna sim my dungeon setup with different talents on those rows

err, dungeon azerite

[rigid mango]

It's way closer for outlaw

iirc

[bleak spoke]

for st and stuff

[rigid mango]

I hate simiming dungeon shit

It's horrible for sin

[bleak spoke]

yeh but i wonder if it might be a gain to take other talents

like i could see with a ttk setup deeper being good

[rigid mango]

I wonder if DS is better than vigor with 3 ttrk

yeah

[bleak spoke]

if you're going to cap out on cp already

with every fok

[rigid mango]

I can see 3 ttk 2 eb 1 ss

using ds instead of vigor

[bleak spoke]

i wonder if you even have the energy to put out 3 garrotes in the subt globals though

[spice surge]

You do, but no its not worth with more ttk

[bleak spoke]

why not

[tropic ocean]

how to open with 3 ss

without vigor

:^)

[spice surge]

?

Why wouldnt you be able to

[tropic ocean]

cuz its 135 energy

[spice surge]

Yeah and you have 120 energy and 2 seconds of energy regen

[bleak spoke]

12.6 energy regen here, without vw

[rocky ruin]

Does anyone how what the macro is for the racing flag shadowstep

[tropic ocean]

and then you wait until you have energy again to rupture?

[bleak spoke]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fe72MCtUwxWm8EoC88hagS hmmmm

[rigid mango]

dungeon slice telling me to take mfd

[bleak spoke]

25e to rupture

so if i did it assuming i literally didn't poison anything i can do g g g r

[tropic ocean]

it sounds very unfluid to me

[spice surge]

It is

[tropic ocean]

135-45-45-45-25

[spice surge]

But its possible

[bleak spoke]

oh yeah it probably plays really really poorly

[tropic ocean]

+whatever regen u get in that time

there is

waiting time till you can rupture

with deeper strat

and i guess if u dont poison with the garrote you are fked

[rocky ruin]

Anyone how to make the macro work for the racing flags?

[tropic ocean]

just set it your focus target

and macro ss to jump on focus target

[rocky ruin]

okay you got a text cause im really bad at macros

pls ^^

[tropic ocean]

/cast [target=focus] Shadowstep

if you have different language in game client replace shadowstep with whatever its called

[rocky ruin]

is the racing flag not friendly?

okay the normal SS works

but i thought a macro is possible specific for racing flag

[dark crag]

Racing flag? Darkmoon race?

[sturdy python]

Racing flag from Cloud Serpent rep, can be SSed to

[robust cloak]

!essence

!essences

!help

[sturdy python]

The essence command doesnt work anymore unfortunately

[robust cloak]

i noticed :"(

was curious if there was any updated research

i'm guessing not, just checking

[modest tendon]

How do you guys build triple SS + Exsang for ToS and KR? Iv been experimenting with 3xSS, 2xEB and 1xNP but I'm not sure if I'm doing it right? my dps is pretty good though

[woven summit]

Will there be an assassination essense guide when 8.2 hits? Im very hyped for that.

[crisp shard]

Had this discussion earlier in here and after some playing in apl and with outside help, I cant find a scenario where pure FoK is beneficial over mutilate in a 3 target situation. It seems helpful at best to keep poisons up but mutilate usage for filler/builder is def beneficial @rigid mango @solid nova @vapid scarab

[sturdy python]

Yeah thats pretty much always been the case

Outside of EB traits

The number even increases to 4+ with DD

[crisp shard]

Well ppl were suggesting FoK at 3+ targets, with EB 2+ and DD 5+

[sturdy python]

I see

[strange python]

Hey Opulence for sins are either Opal or Ruby situational right?

[rigid mango]

I mean I know the fok numbers for traits @crisp shard are correct

But I always run with either of those traits

Never had use for numbers without traits for ages

And yes @strange python opal for dmg, ruby if ur RL tells you to

[strange python]

@rose perch Hey man. I recently rerolled into a rogue and i gotta say your content has kept me playing the class through Teething problems i experienced at the start. You're awesome

[elder gulch]

any good sim option for prio dmg? (Spamming FoK and envenom into prio target)

Also what is one of the best dungeons for prio dmg?

[lone junco]

when you look at your report for something like beastmaster, there is a boss and trash. Idk if you env the boss only though.

any way you do it, you can look at damage done per mob, and see if target 1 got the env. or not.

Dungeon Slice isnt going to report it the way you are asking though.

[bleak spoke]

You can sim patchwerk 6 targets and set prio=1 to use the work left over from zul last tier

[lone junco]

how does prio=1 work? all the env on the first boss, but will it rupture the adds?

[bleak spoke]

Err not 100% sure but I’ve been told it works for assa

[mint kindle]

Is 30% crit 30% mastery good enough for AoE build?

[quasi pewter]

if thats the most you can get, then i guess it has to be? you ideally want 35%+ crit and more mastery aswell

but its not like it will half ur dps

[distant lava]

@rigid mango @harsh sphinx looks like I'm ready for some sin giga blast

[mint kindle]

Would you go 2 x EB 2 x SS 2 x 2 TTK or 3 x EB 2 x SS & 1 TTK

[civic palm]

Being "good enough" for AoE is having the traits, the stats will only make it better.

[mint kindle]

& are my traits good enough? @civic palm

[civic palm]

Yeah all good, 2 2 2 or otherwise is fine.

3xEB is obviously more AoE DMG but not required.

[rigid mango]

@distant lava

@mint kindle 3eb/ttk 2 eb/ttk 1 ss or 2/2/2 are best this week

[mint kindle]

Okey thanks a lot 😃

[rigid mango]

[flint jetty]

xd

[rigid mango]

Yeah idk who would ever say that

[fringe epoch]

is anyone able to help me with some logs?

[rigid mango]

Link em

there are a lot of people who will

[fringe epoch]

okay

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/38560192#zone=21

[sullen pagoda]

any specific boss or just in general

[fringe epoch]

blockade conclave and grong would be helpful

any consistent errors in rotation mainly

[sullen pagoda]

is subterfuge actually simming higher for you or is that a personal preference cuz you have a log with good MA traits but your recent ones are subterfuge

that isnt a big deal just wondering

you seem to be doing double rupture quite often

oh nvm that was siren

[fringe epoch]

um well master assas only sims 600 higher for me so i guess shrouded would be more consistent

[sullen pagoda]

well difference is minimal but id still take that 600 dps

anyway on this log when you went p2 you didnt sync your vanish and vendetta

https://i.imgur.com/QsHgTfN.png

overall u dont seem to be having too big mistakes

you seem to have problems staying alive on mekka maybe better WA/UI to be aware of surroundings

[fringe epoch]

the last log i stepped from knock up to the only player still stood under him lol

what fight is that messed up vanish ?

[sullen pagoda]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/QqYK47wmyxAMJct2#fight=42&type=casts&phase=2&source=3&view=timeline

this one

overall your boss dmg was decent there but if you want a good parse you need to do some rupture one rupture two on elementals

[fringe epoch]

okay thanks dude. good to know im not completely butchering the rotation lol

[strange python]

@sullen pagoda would you recommend doing LFR crucible for chance at trinket if your not in a guild running normal or heroic?

Or would a 400 loaded dice+plumage 400 be more worth while?

[rigid mango]

what ilvl does lfr drop for crucible?

also @strange python just go to raidbots, go to gear compare and compare it with the LFR one there

ant then you can see if it's better

[strange python]

@rigid mango cheers x

[sullen pagoda]

yeah as @rigid mango id check sims before putting in the effort in doing lfr

[vapid scarab]

Crucible lfr especially is not a good time

[arctic walrus]

Do you have to be 50 az lvl to unlock essences

[vapid scarab]

50 is the first part yeah

Then 55->60

[arctic walrus]

fuckin rip i thought they bumped everyone up to 50 after patch

[vapid scarab]

Ak is gonna be back so

And it’s pretty easy to get now, my alt I literally capped two days ago is already at 43

[drifting cloud]

dont think you need 50 actually

[vapid scarab]

For the first part you do

[drifting cloud]

doesnt say anything in the blue posts even tho it mentions all the other levels

[restive night]

cya BOTE

[onyx rock]

Its not 50. You unlock the first Essenc with 35.

[vapid scarab]

2nd part is at 50 then

so you still want to be at 50

[onyx rock]

2nd is 55

[vapid scarab]

ok

you still want to be 50

[rigid mango]

Yes, but you were wrong either way

[vapid scarab]

but you still want to be at 50

what does it matter

[rigid mango]

when you unlock stuff

Ofc you want to be max tf

Don't you want max everything in game? That wasn't the question

[vapid scarab]

so what does it matter if you want to be max anyway

why does it matter that you unlock it at 35 if you want to be at 50 regardless

[rigid mango]

what the question was

We're arguing semantics

Ofc you want to be 50, doesn't mean you saying first part is at 50 less full of shit

[vapid scarab]

i was already corrected

you're just being petty at this point

[rigid mango]

For sure

Maybe don't state shit not knowing it

[civic palm]

_>"

Stop.

gets the whistle

[vapid scarab]

I mean

I was 100% convinced in my mind that it was at 50

is that wrong to say what I 100% thought it was?

I'm sure you've never done the exact same thing

[rigid mango]

You're not accepting being wrong, though, just give it up and accept you said something that was incorrect regardless of whether wanting or not wanting to be 50

[vapid scarab]

this is a class discord, I already did accept it

i was already corrected
you're just being petty at this point```

[ancient path]

[rocky ruin]

Does anyone know that we must in 8.2 make a mythic+15 Key to get the better loot or Mythic +10 is still enough?

[flint jetty]

They seem to be keeping it at +10's but I don't think they've said anything one way or the other. I guess they're increasing the scaling of the dungeons and in Legions +15's were required in the .5 part of the patch iirc

[marble hemlock]

the scaling seems to increase from 8% per level to 10%, yes

they havent said anything about it yet via bluepost, but the numbers on PTR suggest that the increase will happen

[signal summit]

would u guys use the boots from uunat togheter with lurkers? or go for other boots

[cobalt gyro]

lurker's damage doesn't drop the stacks

[signal summit]

oh ok nice, since it says any dmg

[distant lava]

it's not any dmg

[cobalt gyro]

it's "any"

[distant lava]

no what I meant is a lot of dmg doesn't drop them

[cobalt gyro]

ya

[signal summit]

it says in the tool tip taking any dmg removes all stacks

so its just wrongly worded then i guess?

[real bay]

probably should say any hostile damage taken , not self inflicted xd

[solid nova]

Blizzard tool tips

[spice surge]

Should say "damage may remove"

[stuck knoll]

Don't insult people

I don't care what happened

[glacial jasper]

Should go both ways I would think but sure

[stuck knoll]

Ok let me see what he said all I saw was a ping showing you hit the filter

@rigid mango don't be an asshole about petty thing

Happy now

[glacial jasper]

Always happy when I have bacon in front of me

[solid nova]

[cobalt pelican]

i want to be neck lvl 44

cause it's a cool number

and cool numbers are cool

[dire yacht]

can somebody tell me the stat prio for asssa in m

m+*

[rigid mango]

crit > mast = vers >>>>> haste

[dire yacht]

thanks

[vapid scarab]

@signal summit even stuff like Jaina dot doesn’t remove it

[spice surge]

Jaina dot does remove it

[stuck knoll]

Jaina dot is one of the few that does actually

[spice surge]

http://piclair.com/data/xz5bj.jpg

[rigid mango]

It is one of the fights it's explicitly horrible at

[vapid scarab]

Oh, I’ve been told by multiple people that it only breaks from direct damage and not dots or environmental damage

[knotty falcon]

Basically check some fights where ppl play overwhelming power

[spice surge]

There is no rhyme or reason as to what breaks it

[stuck knoll]

It follows the op rules

[knotty falcon]

Check if they lose stacks of op

[stuck knoll]

Like the tiger dot in conclave doesn't

[knotty falcon]

And then you’ll know if the boots are worth

[stuck knoll]

But Jaina does

[spice surge]

Its like feint and overwhelming power, you just have to check if it works or not

[vapid scarab]

Does it still drop if you take damage that would normally drop it but through an absorb?

[stuck knoll]

Lemme check I actually don't know off hand

[spice surge]

It does not drop then no

http://piclair.com/data/180p0.jpg

[vapid scarab]

on volkal, is it worth it to run around garroting/rupturing all 3 totems? i assume no because of the travel time

[stuck knoll]

You're generally focusing on one totem yourself so dotting other peoples will just end up with your totem on high life and everyone elses low

[vapid scarab]

what about dotting him, or any situation where the target itself doesn't actually take meaningful damage from the bleeds, is it worth it for the energy gain?

[tropic ocean]

Never done it I guess its not really worth

Since u only get the energy as long as poison is on it so you need to do that as well and boss takes no dmg better off pumping env

[stuck knoll]

No dotting for energy isn't worth

[brave phoenix]

Should i go 3x Eb or 2x Ss for m+?

[distant lava]

depends on your other traits

[brave phoenix]

Atm i have 2x Eb 1x Ss and 2x Ttk and one slot open with either eb or ss

[distant lava]

eb then

and some weeks / dungeons you could swap to 2 ss

althought when and where I'll let regulars here answer

[brave phoenix]

Okay thanks. Double ttk is good tho? Or should i go for something else

[distant lava]

yeah more often than not seli for example runs 3xEB 2xTTk and 1xSS

depends on dungeons / affix tho

[brave phoenix]

Okay nice. Only played outlaw before but now i have enough Azerite pieces to play assa and it’s a lot of fun

[distant lava]

it is

[brave phoenix]

Thank u for your help

[sleek tusk]

what traits other than shrouding suffocation are good to stack ?

[quasi pewter]

for what?

[sleek tusk]

aoe i guess, best for m+?

[quasi pewter]

you want a mix of eb, ttk and ss

[latent tendon]

!ess

!essence

[rigid mango]

Doesn't work anymore

It was outdated with a bunch or changes coming through

There'll be new stuff when we near the patch and stuff isn't getting more changes

[latent tendon]

Ah alright. Guess the proper sims should come out soon

Yep. Cheers

[rigid mango]

Yeah, and also not having them getting nerfed all the time

[glacial jasper]

The blood essence might not be a locked spot now with them nerfing the duration by a 3rd

[strange python]

Hey guys I have a question about TB debuff. I'm kind of annoying of doing 4 Cp envenoms into them. Can i use a FOK for 1 cp for a 5 cp envenom into tb?

[distant lava]

no

[cobalt pelican]

big no

[harsh sphinx]

TB window is very short so by wasting a GCD on FOK to get to 5cp you're just missing out on more dmg in the window.

[distant lava]

and you're kinda energy starved anyways so using it on a fok is a big nono

[blissful moss]

How many mobs are we not using envenom any more in m+?

[stuck knoll]

It's not a question of number of mobs it's if there's a prio target or not

[blissful moss]

Ok. And only reapplying garrote in such scenarios when vanish is up?

Noob questions. Haven’t played sin much since legion

[rigid mango]

To max dps you don't env on 5+ targets @blissful moss , but like Ronkles said it's more about prio target

To max dps, you'd want to use vanish on cd to reapply 3 empowered garrotes (with sub and shrouded suff trait), but vanish is very useful for utility

[robust cloak]

with ttk and a priority target you'll be fok > eb and repeating

[rigid mango]

So it's generally worth to save it in a lot scenarios just for that usage, if you want to vanish, it'd be to silence casting mobs etc.

fok > eb?

[robust cloak]

fok > env sorry

[rigid mango]

Generally, yes

[robust cloak]

a good example of this is (for some dumbass reason) on a fortified week, you have the turtle boss in freehold come back to life during reaping

[rigid mango]

but you'll still be mong fok'ing at 5+ targets even with 3ttk traits if you have 2eb

Yes, but I'd still mongo fok in the start, EB Foks'll still do a lot of damage to the reaped turtle

You just end up env pumping with tb +- vend when targets become lower

[robust cloak]

a lot of small things that change the situation definitely

like other classes in your comp etc

[rigid mango]

yes, but you lose A LOT of dps for env pumping on high target reaping

even though there's one prio target

[robust cloak]

if you're running with an aff lock and a MM hunter your job will mostly be mong fok'ing for the best part of the dungeon

also if that's your comp just requeue for another dungeon

[rigid mango]

Yes, but even with a meta comp like dh/outlaw/monk

You'd still want to mongo fok in that situation

Until there are a smaller amount of targets, where fok -> env pumping is more worth while

the damage that spamming fok on that high targets, with high crit I'd assume always getting the 5 procs, and always dealing full eb dmg to the turtle

[robust cloak]

yeah that makes sense

so i guess fok > env repeat is probably never really worth it, would likely only become worth it when you're fok > fok > env

[rigid mango]

I mean yes

[robust cloak]

when there isn't enough targets to get full procs of eb it's probably the right time to start env on a prio target

[rigid mango]

But you can get it on 5 targets

That's not really a super good statement either, like

It's hard to judge and gage with 1 statement, it's very situational

[robust cloak]

yeah i hear you

the more situations i understand the better i'll be is all 😛

[rigid mango]

Yep

comes with playing and getting the experience and feel for assa in m+

[robust cloak]

i'm sitting 1650 atm and not all that keen on pushing much higher but generally one of the more consistently strong dps in my guild for m+

have spent the vast majority of my time over the last week or so reading about essences

[rigid mango]

Yeah, I mean atm I don't feel the need to push either

I do my weekly key to get essence and shit from weekly, and then maybe more if people are around to play

[robust cloak]

i'm just super excited for 8.2 now

[rigid mango]

I'm really not

[robust cloak]

if i wasn't pushing for the latest of CE's i'd only be logging for my weekly 15 for TR

how come you're not keen on the patch?

[rigid mango]

Essences seem bad

There doesn't seem to be one that fits assa that well, and it seems like there'll be something scuffed that happens

[robust cloak]

i thought visions look like it'll pair really well with NP

[rigid mango]

Sure, but it ends up putting vend and vanish cd out of sync

[robust cloak]

as a minor important to note

for the exact reason you stated

sorry as a major**

[rigid mango]

which means you'll either have to play subpar and make them align anyways

[robust cloak]

for the random vendetta procs, not the shorter CD

[rigid mango]

Yeah sure

That looks awesome, no doubt in that

but even then, have to RNG getting vend procs when tb is up

Sounds baad

[robust cloak]

not as much with NP though

[rigid mango]

Sure, but it ends up being valuable for that effect

[robust cloak]

because the proc itself will still deal decent damage

[rigid mango]

but the value of the vendetta procs are quite down to rng

and also the desync in major cds

🤢

Sounds horrible to play with

[robust cloak]

won't the desync not exist if it's run as a major?

oh shit

[rigid mango]

You always get the minor

[robust cloak]

yeah

[rigid mango]

if you pick is at major

So 🤷

[robust cloak]

i just read that

[rigid mango]

It sounds baaad

[robust cloak]

damn my life is a mess

damn dude you ruined my day 😦

[rigid mango]

Yeah, see

8.2 sounds bad.,

[robust cloak]

now i need to find my new favourite major /cry

[rigid mango]

All of them suck

Blood major being gutted by like 25% or whatever lok said earlier

It doesn't even sound that good anymore

[robust cloak]

yeah 33%

still probably our best i think

[rigid mango]

Yeah, and even at that

1.5 min cd with 2 major cds being 2 min

[spice surge]

Nah with that nerf its almost certainly the one that procs vendetta and 3x NP

[rigid mango]

But aint that the minor?

or is that the major?

[spice surge]

Thats a major

[robust cloak]

that's the major

[rigid mango]

Ah

Then yeah, it's gonna be that

[spice surge]

The minor of that one is 15% reduced cd

[rigid mango]

Can I just not take that part?

[robust cloak]

the minor reduces the cd which will be irrelevnet

[rigid mango]

Please?

[spice surge]

Desynced cooldowns for days

[rigid mango]

Just

A null minor

I mean odds ar eyou ignore cd reduc and just align them, right?

[spice surge]

🤷

[robust cloak]

i'd say so

[spice surge]

Probably most of the time

[rigid mango]

The damage gain from having lower cd must be lower than the alignment of the two

NS build inc

[robust cloak]

ns?

[rigid mango]

Nightstalker

[spice surge]

Aligning them is probably the play, unless the fight is over like 8 mins where you would lose a cast by doing that

By that point i have no clue

[rigid mango]

means all you do is get full 32 sec rup with vanish

instead of garrotes/MA bursts

[spice surge]

Oh wait its 7 mins

[rigid mango]

7 mins still sounds like a lot

[robust cloak]

i'm going to do a quick spreadsheet

[rigid mango]

and even then, having the burst being aligned must be a fair bit better for some situations

like pushing % etc, but idk ofc depends on encounter

[robust cloak]

well i'm thinking right,

with our first vendetta/vanish being offset by almost 30 seconds anyway

[rigid mango]

If you're using SS, aye

not w MA though

[robust cloak]

after the 2nd cast you'll be 1m apart

so after 2 more casts it'll resync

[rigid mango]

So might just be 3 SS NP

[robust cloak]

so i think an 8m boss fight probably works out best with 5 vendettas and 4 vanishes

[rigid mango]

Yeah, but think of the potential dps loss you have

[robust cloak]

yeah it's really hard to say

[rigid mango]

Yeah

[robust cloak]

running that build, getting a vendetta proc during an emp garrote you weren't vendettaing

would be win or lose

welp, time to roll ele shammy or holy priest

[azure hearth]

how does assassin look for 8.2

[civic palm]

Good.

[solid nova]

No one knows, nothing confirmed

Probably fine

Same as most patches

[fathom stump]

am i correct in the assumption that it will fare much better in comparison to outlaw since the big AoE from reaping will be gone?

in M+ obv

[civic palm]

Real Answer

If you somehow find yourself pulling 6+ mobs in 8.2 M+ Dungeon Keys, then the OTL WitS change is a nerf, otherwise OTL does not lose much.

[visual quartz]

better to just sit and wait and enjoy when 8.2 does come out

[lime path]

is there a loot list guide somewhere pinned or linked?

[civic palm]

No.

[rigid mango]

For azerite there is

!azerite

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Azerite Season 2 changes: https://bit.ly/2U86I7o

[opaque tree]

What is OTL WiTS Change??

Outlaw?

[civic palm]

#outlaw 👈

[opaque tree]

That’s what I thought. Just not used to seeing outlaw mentioned in here for traits.

[visual quartz]

Anyone rolling with 2/2/2 this week feeling its pretty good for the prio dmg?

I usually roll with 3xSS/2xEB/1xTTK

[rigid mango]

It's nice for certain keys

but I like 3ttk 2 eb 1 ss or 3 eb 2 ttk 1 ss more

But 2/2/2 works well, I used it for some KR keys and ToS keys and shit felt good

[visual quartz]

yeah I can get 3TTK but it goes to 3TTK/2SS/1EB and I feel like I wouldnt like that

only 3TTK combo I got

[rigid mango]

not having 2 eb feels quite bad

so I'd just run 2/2/2

[midnight flower]

^ all I run

It’s pretty balanced

[fleet whale]

plus envenom hits pretty dam hard with two ttk

[west trench]

My two best trinkets are A 405 galecallers and 425 plumage. right now im using the plumage with my vendetta and then filling using the gale callers to cover times when i have low energy. Should i just keep doing this or use the galecallers with vendetta?

[rigid mango]

Plumage with vendetta always

using two on use trinkets is subpar too, so you'd probably end up seeing better results using plumage + dice/spyglass

[west trench]

i have a 400 dice and spyglass so i my just go back to using that then

thnx

[rigid mango]

For sure.

[bleak spoke]

hmm i kinda wonder

can you get galecallers to line on the tb after vendetta as well as the tb b4 vendetta every time

cuz that might not be terrible

it would fix pooling mistakes somewhat?

[vestal onyx]

hey

which nameplate u using to track rupture during big pack aoe ?

[tropic ocean]

Plater

But I just use rupture tracker weak aura to see how many total ruptures i have out

[vestal onyx]

its not possible to change the color of the bar when rupture on?

[harsh sphinx]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[tropic ocean]

@vestal onyx idk im not super indepth with this addon but just look around in options and play around with it, at least thats what I did to customize some stuff

[visual dagger]

are you supposed to try and fit a second envenom within the elaborate planning window, or is that just something you can do if you get lucky?

[distant lava]

dude

[bleak spoke]

yeah you can clip ep with env

so you wait till the very end

unless you're in a tb window or you're going to cap energy

[visual dagger]

my problem is i'm almost never able to fit an envenom into the EP window

maybe i'm just not pooling properly

[bleak spoke]

a quick and dirty way to pool is to never just cast envenom if you've lost the ep window

and just hold onto yoru cp while your energy fills

right as it's going to cap just envenom and then mutilate to 4-5 cp again instantly after that to take advantage of ep + env buff for DD procs

[visual dagger]

so you're looking to buff your DD, mut and dots with EP more than you're actually looking to buff the envenom itself?

[bleak spoke]

yeh

you only clip envenom if like

[vapid scarab]

@vestal onyx you can do stuff like that with the style filter in Elvui

[ornate sky]

any insight as to whether the damage from voltaic flash on stormwall is "aoe" and can be mitigated with feint?

[rigid mango]

Pretty sure it can

[vestal onyx]

@vapid scarab ok ill work on it

[sonic bridge]

Would you rather pick SSxNP or SSxTTK for m+?

[rigid mango]

ttk

Any mix of eb/ttk/ss

Is a good build

[sonic bridge]

k ty

[supple compass]

Are there any dungeons where you’d want 3xss over 3x be

Eb*

[rigid mango]

KR is one where SS is really good

but I wouldn't generally take 3 there either

I'd just end up 2/2/2

[civic palm]

That would be a factor of pull size, so smaller pulls = less AoE meaning 3xSS could do better.

[rigid mango]

If you're going for a cheesy last boss cheese with exsang

You can do that, but I wouldn't recommend

[sonic bridge]

Hopefully Sin>OL next season

[civic palm]

Just play it anyway o _O

[distant lava]

^

[stuck knoll]

Sin is already good enough to play