assassination

[tropic ocean]

put out 4 ruptures

spam fk

pump envenom into priority target

[spice surge]

Or spam fok, assuming you have echoing blades

[dusk thistle]

4 ruptures as in that's always max, or 1 rupture on every target while spamming fok?

[spice surge]

If there is no priority target

You only need 4 bleeds to be energy neutral

[dusk thistle]

yeah if it's just trash i've just been spamming fok and pumping 2/3 CP ruptures onto everything

[spice surge]

Dont put 2/3 cp ruptures

[tropic ocean]

well you need 4 ruptures to sustain energy

[dusk thistle]

is that because 5 CP puts out more dmg per tick?

[tropic ocean]

and since fok with eb > rupture dmg

[spice surge]

They do the same damage

[tropic ocean]

you don't want to put more ruptures than the ones you need for energy

[night vale]

depends how long they live right? most reaping id put out 2/3 cps ruptures for sure

[spice surge]

But there is no point wasting a global on a 2/3 one

[tropic ocean]

in reaping you just rupture the high hp ones its not efficient to put out low cp ruptures, you build enough cp anyways

[dusk thistle]

reaping is a good example for the scenario I'm asking about yep

[tropic ocean]

and putting out 4/5cp ones gives you more time to spam fok

by the time your 4/5cp ruptures would expire reaping mostly is dead

[spice surge]

You either rupture the big ones or you rupture the small ones to refund whenever they die

[tropic ocean]

while with 2-3cp you need to redot

[night vale]

yeah but im talking about reaping... id happily triple garotte and put out 4 low cp ruptures for energy then just spam fok

[spice surge]

Neither of those you want to use a 2/3 cp one, its just inefficient

[tropic ocean]

theres no point to put out low cp rupture

[night vale]

but you want energy to spam fok right? im talking about reaping to be clear

[tropic ocean]

yeah

you don't put low cp ruptures on reaping

just put ruptures on high hp mobs

[dusk thistle]

"well you need 4 ruptures to sustain energy" -> what do you mean by this exactly?

[tropic ocean]

or ones that are close to dead to refill energy

[spice surge]

You need 4 bleeds up

[tropic ocean]

if you have 4 ruptures ticking

you can just spam fok

without starving energy

[dusk thistle]

what do the 4 bleeds up do?

[cobalt pelican]

venemous wounds

[tropic ocean]

they refill your energy

[dusk thistle]

anything more than 4 is redundant in that regard?

[night vale]

so if you dont put bleeds on reaping? how are you supposed to spam fok?

[tropic ocean]

@dusk thistle yes

@night vale if you have no gas you can't drive

[night vale]

im so confused here 😂

[tropic ocean]

?

put 4 ruptures up

fok everything

profit

[spice surge]

Well no, more than 4 isnt completely reduntant, but its just that the more echoing blade traits you have the less you want to use any ability that isnt fok (on aoe)

[night vale]

yeah but you said not to put ruptures on reaping?

[tropic ocean]

nope

I said don't rupture with 2or3cp

you still rupture with 4cp+

[night vale]

oh

[tropic ocean]

🤷

[night vale]

i see what you mean now

i still dont get why you wouldnt put out low cp ruptures on reaping though?

[tropic ocean]

I think the only situation I don't put out as much ruptures is if reaping is pulled with boss and bl

because its less efficient

[night vale]

? if you put out a 3cp rupture and the mob dies inside that rupture dot (which reaping often will) i dont see how that inefficient

[spice surge]

You get less energy back

[tropic ocean]

you will get less energy than from 4cp

rupture

[night vale]

ah okay

[tropic ocean]

and with fok spam you'll rarely have < 4cp, esepcially in reaping

especially*

[night vale]

okay makes sense to me then 😃 thanks

[spice surge]

Generally on reaping you put out 1-3 ruptures, depending on the mobs health (generally 1 on a low hp one, one on a mid hp and one on a high hp), and then you literally just spam fok for 10+ seconds straight without caring about overcapping cp

[tropic ocean]

and use envenom every 4 sec !

[spice surge]

Na

[tropic ocean]

you don't use elaborate planning .^)

:^)

[spice surge]

Why buff fok by 10%

when i can use another fok that does a lot more

[tropic ocean]

u buff all the poisons too

[spice surge]

You envenom if the mob hp is too uneven

Otherwise its not worth

With 2+ echoing

[night vale]

to be fair, im really liking sin in m+ right now, nice change from outlaw. Did almost 50k in freehold the other day

[tropic ocean]

nice

[night vale]

yeah was very pleased after getting flamed beforehand for playing assassination rather than outlaw xD

[dusk thistle]

is there a nicer way to see priority targets and such than default enemy plates + tab targetting?

[cobalt gyro]

That must've been some huge pulls

[tropic ocean]

what details sprite is that? looks very clean

@dusk thistle I use plater and customized every thing

[night vale]

not really, was a 17 freehold ( granted it was last week with teeming fortified)

[tropic ocean]

e.g. I put my augurs/confessors in atal different color

[night vale]

we couldnt pull too much cause tank would die xD

[cobalt gyro]

Ah, tank that doesn't know when to kite

👌

[dusk thistle]

@tropic ocean nice, sounds handy!

[night vale]

yep he stays in too late everytime xD

[tropic ocean]

kiting as warrior tank KAPPA

[night vale]

we had blood dk

@tropic ocean just regular details with custom font

[tropic ocean]

oh really I gotta check that yours looks so much cleaner than mine

and yeah in my key range 18~20 ppl often go like "OUTLAW???" and then cry when you're assa despite being top dps

😢

also got kicked here and there for not playing outlaw 🤷

[night vale]

^ yep i pretty much get that, although im just doing 17/18s atm with friends and nobody really cares, we cant pull big which is a shame... and when we do pull big my friend plays unholy and steals all the AOE xD

[tropic ocean]

ppl just tend to underrate the value of assa, dps is nice, and the iron wire talent makes your garrotes literally cast immune 3 mobs for 4? sec and making them deal 15% les dmg

its huge

[spice surge]

I'd rather have gouge though, most of the time

[polar tapir]

gouge and prey from between the eyes is just huge tho

[cobalt gyro]

I've never been kicked for being sin but maybe it's because if I'm joining a key where someone will kick, it's already a key I'm not progressing on

[bleak spoke]

6 second silence and 8 seconds of damage reduction yeah, but in most cases gouge ( and the extra vanishes) are better utility

[tropic ocean]

haters gonna hate

[hot flume]

@dusk thistle I use Plater with an imported profile that highlights each mob depending on its category and the important casts to cut.

https://wago.io/g-jp-v2zw

[vestal wren]

nameplate kai also has npc coloring

and it does not eat your cpu cycles like potato chips

[golden relic]

Cant say ive ever been apart or seen a group kick a rogue just cuz they are assa, if they want to play assa 100% , alot of rogues swap between depending on dungeon and the strat of the dungeon from my experience

[hot flume]

@vestal wren don't like nameplate kai style, but that's just a matter of taste. Elvui does npc coloring as well but been experiencing FPS drops on reapings, even with a high end PC

[vestal wren]

i changed them to look like kui

but that requires some lua edit

the standard coloring is awefull

[hot flume]

Nameplate Kai ? Yeah really ugly

But feels like Plater is more customizable. Might be wrong

Been using Kui Nameplates for a while. They are ok for raiding but really not suited for M+

[vestal wren]

plater is quite popular for its additional features

configuration is a pia

performance is also not super good (as if ppl care)

[old knot]

i'd love to see your nameplatekai configuration, fuu

[vestal wren]

sth like this

i did not 100% change things to be like kui, mainly changed the coloring and some other minor things

[steady grotto]

that's clean af

nameplate kai you're using you said?

my plates are a fucking mess atm gonna need to try this

[marble hemlock]

fuck outlaw :<

assa is new meta

[distant lava]

send us that with ashine or a rogue main seli

you dirty sin boi

[dark crag]

He held back

[marble hemlock]

pffff

MOVING GOALPOSTS

typical outlaw brain

but nah, outlaw utility is pretty big still

#gougeforassa

[vast forum]

#garroteforoutlaw

#gougeandgarroteforallspecs

[dark crag]

It's outlow

[cosmic pier]

dh not monk 🤔

[distant lava]

#vanishutility for allspecs

[vast forum]

#makeazerothgreatagain

[golden relic]

DH for the assa and not the outlaw, favored fedora tip

[lone junco]

sin is nice tbh.

Did you bleed some?
Did you Fok a ton?
Did you get a fat PB in a trash pack while eating a sandwitch fokfok env fokfok env fokfok env fokfok

[gloomy slate]

#bladefurryforassassination

[marble hemlock]

remove echo limit from 5 targets to 10

[distant lava]

pretty sure that would be broken AF

[rigid mango]

100%

[vestal wren]

i stopped reading after "remove echo"

[spice surge]

Which is reasonable, i dont like my builders doing far more damage than my spenders

[lone junco]

Id rather be able to cleave 3-7 really really well, than mongo on a 30 pull.

Can we please swap scent to vers. thx.

[spice surge]

The fact that the optimal play is often to just smash fok and waste double digit amounts of combo points feels odd as hell

[distant lava]

how is vers on SoB better than agi ?

[lone junco]

scent to vers would be awesome from a defensive stance, and it would buff EB (as well as anything else_

agi is kinda limp these days.

Still fun to tab out ruptures an ramp dps.

prefer that to fokfokfokfokfokfokffokfokfokf

[vast forum]

hoping blizzard will ever fix wow

[lone junco]

negative.

looking for my out.

[vestal wren]

i think everyone has a diffrent perception on how the game should look like

so its hard to "fix" sth

[marble hemlock]

i hope blizz nerfs EB and makes scent our go-to aoe trait :<

the fok spam is boring

[strange python]

Bring back the old 3/3/5 rotation, felt good and smooth!

or 3/5/5 maybe it was, so long ago cant remember

[tribal marlin]

Just did ML19 as assa did 42k

fuck outlaw 😄

[marble hemlock]

!

fok outlaw!

[valid spoke]

Do we have any ideas on what the best essences will be and how to combo them?

[split herald]

Perfect vision + 3x nothing personal seems pretty good

[merry zinc]

quick question: as assa am i able to solo orb in ToS?

[vast forum]

any1 can solo orbs

[distant lava]

yep you just throw it ahead of you

[solar rose]

as a rogue you can sap the orb guardian by the orb and then blind the one near where the head is

[merry zinc]

allright,t hanks

[marble hemlock]

@solar rose youre beautiful

[rigid mango]

@marble hemlock

[elder gulch]

should i take 2nd gutripper, unstable flames, or Heed my Call? (2xttk, 2xEB, 1xSS 1xNP) is my build

[rigid mango]

@hollow wraith bbi is better than 3rd NP near certainly

@elder gulch odds are unstable flames is best

405 😦

Think it might be why

[spice surge]

Nah its mostly due to lurker

[rigid mango]

oh lurker makes np that much better?

[spice surge]

Well, its a lot of mastery for every NP

[rigid mango]

ye obv

[spice surge]

Which scales a lot better than plumage

[rigid mango]

ye makes sense

[lapis dew]

can you evade/cloak the coin shower in opulence?

[sturdy python]

Nope

[lapis dew]

ah damn

[vast forum]

i feel like these people link chars with shit azerite on purpose just to show off their 425 lurkers...

[rigid mango]

Hard agree

Makes me sad though, even though my az is way better 😦

[harsh sphinx]

Going to have to target roll that thing. Just too much mastery

[rigid mango]

meh it's only the best trinket in the game for assa

[harsh sphinx]

Pretty over gcb

[rigid mango]

plumage > gcb imo

[harsh sphinx]

I switch between em but ya def feels nice on the opener and easier to usr

[spice surge]

If the cooldown reduction essence isnt the best one then its very likely we want this trinket even during aszhara

[rigid mango]

I mean I think it's genuinly the best trink in practice, bar lurkers

[strange python]

Stormglide Steps on mythic uu'nat yay or nay

[spice surge]

They're fine, they're removed by the laser dot (which you shouldnt take any damage from anyway) and the aoes when he shrinks the room

[strange python]

What about last phase when i'm possibly getting leeched off in melee

does leech remove stacks?

[spice surge]

Not being leeched of by others

But dont everybody just sack most of their leechers after a bit anyway?

[strange python]

🤷

[real bay]

I just avoid them we have so slow dps we end up having like 5+ leechers and it starts to hurt when they all stack on you . Lol

rather have someone with the debuff die than whole raid

[coarse solar]

Chaps, are there any rules for posting logs for some analysis? I'm not happy with where I am at the moment but suck at reading logs and could use some help

[lone junco]

post for roast

[coarse solar]

Ok, well I've just rerolled to Rogue from Feral after 14 years. Been playing Outlaw in M+ so gear is still a bit crit-heavy/low haste

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/y1kjG8Za2bhFqNQd

The Rasta kill I died at like 12% left so that's maybe not good to look at

But Uu'nat should be a decent example

It's Subeta, not Skidly

[spice surge]

Im not sure you understand what exsanguinate does

http://piclair.com/data/56phl.jpg

[coarse solar]

You would be essentially correct, I have no idea when I should be using it - I thought when bleeds had just been refreshed so it gets the most value?

[spice surge]

Because if you use garrote or rupture afterwards, it will overwrite it

[coarse solar]

But I haven't played with it before so this was a learning experience

[spice surge]

So what you're doing here in your opener is using 2 garrotes with 3x shrouded (why do you have 3 shrouded to begin with?) and then you exsang

Which speeds them up by 100%

And then you put a regular shitty ass garrote there instead, which means that the OP 3x shrouded one is completely gone

So instead of having garrote tick every 1 second and deal 13k you put up a garrote that ticks every 2 seconds and does 2.5k dmg

[lone junco]

yeah, thats a good way for a grey/green parse

[spice surge]

You need to let an exsanged bleed run out fully before refreshing it

You do this A LOT, which you should stop

[coarse solar]

Ok yeah I was totally not getting Exsang then

I thought it just dealt a bunch of damage equivalent to X% of your existing bleeds

[lone junco]

it basically buffs current bleeds. so yay. then you over write. boo

[cobalt pelican]

it's a pretty simple rule, anything empowered by anything runs its course unless you're applying something of the same power or stronger

especially if you play feral

even though it's not technically snapshotting for rogue

it's the same premise, really

[coarse solar]

Yeah, with feral I just got used to snapshotting. Cheers guys

[spice surge]

You shouldnt really be running exsang to begin with though. Swap your shroudeds to double dose

[cobalt pelican]

your opener on rastakhan is weird..

you garrote the 3 mobs and immediately vanish garrote them again

[coarse solar]

Our other rogue advised doing so for the max duration garrotte and he’s played rogue a lot longer than me

So I just kind of went along with it

[cobalt pelican]

a maximum length garrote is reapplied at 5.4 seconds or lower

[coarse solar]

Should I have let the first ones drop then vanish and re-apply?

[cobalt pelican]

not like.. 16 seconds

[rigid mango]

You want to reapply bleeds at pandemic

[lone junco]

I would study the opener. then log that. when its better, come back.

[spice surge]

Well seems like he stopped playing (or atleast reading about rogue) in october since they nerfed shrouded then

[cobalt pelican]

i still play shrouded on rastakhan

it's probably not good for my raid

but i do it

[spice surge]

Well yeah, its good for aoe but not ST

[rigid mango]

bad

[coarse solar]

Thanks very much 😃

[rigid mango]

I mean feral works w pandemic too

Just play around it

[cobalt pelican]

if you think it'd help you there are weakauras that have glow or other shit on empowered bleeds to stop you being a dumb person that come with pandemic timers

since these logs you're basically playing with half of your traits disabled and no lvl90 talent

[real bay]

decent thing to have so you never go pepega

[bleak spoke]

Definitely let exsang’d bleeds run it’s course before you reapply. In the opener the empowered garrote you get from vanishing should be instantly refreshed in subt to get max duration and then you let that fall before you refresh again

[coarse solar]

Ok, I think my biggest issue was being an idiot and not understanding Exsang

Also the heroic Council kill I was playing with no way to see my combo points due to a WA fuckup which didn’t help matters

And I’ll swap my SS traits to Double Dose - thought SS might be better for Rasta but as I was being sent downstairs due to low range numbers I guess DD would be better

[visual quartz]

yeah Ive stopped bring SS to rasta as always sent downstairs, but downstairs is the most fun.

[rigid mango]

I mean SS will give you better padding dmg, but tbh DD damage is just pumping it all into the actual boss

which is probs worth more

[zinc gust]

whats hat circled in blue. how i do remove it? GCD?

[golden relic]

swing timer?

[zinc gust]

ooooh how do i remove, it may well be swing timer

was addon - Quartz

GCD

thankyou tho

[sand basin]

I mean on rhasta phase 1 is the hardest healer phase. There's a good argument for "padding" p1

Are ideal raid traits 1xss 2xdd and 3xnp?

Then for m+ 1xss 2xdd and 3xeb?

Wanting to learn sin because I only know outlaw atm

[sullen pagoda]

i play outlaw there but id go 3xss 1np 1bbi 1dd

[sand basin]

Bbi?

[sullen pagoda]

blightborne infusion

[cobalt pelican]

raid st you'll probably end up playing ma and not wanting an ss at all

in m+ dd and eb are basically directly conflicting traits and dd is a hard avoid

take anything else on the ring, basically

[sullen pagoda]

we are talking about rastakhan not raids in general

[sand basin]

I meant just raid in general

[cobalt pelican]

just answering his general question

[sullen pagoda]

i missread the question then

but ye for raids u never go EB basically

[spice surge]

Swapping to 3x eb for trash is 200IQ

[cobalt pelican]

going afk for trash is peabrain iq but i do it anyway

[sullen pagoda]

not afking trash? notlikethis

[cobalt pelican]

i used to respec to outlaw but at this point i'm just over it

[sullen pagoda]

i like playing different specs on different bosses

and the switch between alliance/horde is so tilting cuz it removes my racial off bars

[spice surge]

Be a panda and your racial wont swap

Again, im coming at you with the 200IQ plays

[sullen pagoda]

panda yiiiikes

[cobalt pelican]

a panda trash slayer

:thinky:

[sullen pagoda]

my only panda ever made it to lvl 6 in cata

and never again

[cobalt pelican]

i kinda like being the female panda when i get it from coin

but only for an hour

[spice surge]

Male or bust

[sand basin]

So in m+ 3xEB 1xSS and 2xNP?

[spice surge]

You dont really want NP either

[sullen pagoda]

no NP

[cobalt pelican]

np is less awful than dd, like you can actually use it at least

[sullen pagoda]

TTK or more SS

[spice surge]

Its not as bad as DD, especially the first one, but most other things are better

[cobalt pelican]

but just think about a normal dungeon for you

[sullen pagoda]

i also dont like 3x EB but thats a personal preference

[sand basin]

3xEB 3xSS viable?

[spice surge]

definitely

[sullen pagoda]

yeah

[sand basin]

Master poisioner work on NP?

[cobalt pelican]

weapon poisons only

it's on the tooltip

[sand basin]

Toxic blade is the same then?

[spice surge]

No, tb increases it

They're worded differently

But yeah, tooltips in wow are generally scuffed

[sand basin]

Nice

What level 15 and 100 talents are go to on sin?

Seems like EP and PB for m+ and raid

With vigor changing to DS inn m+

[spice surge]

You do not change vigor to DS

You can basicly keep the same talents, with 1 exception

If your raid set has no shrouded trait then spec master assassin for ST

[sand basin]

Kk

[royal torrent]

failed 6 rolls in a row for an EB helm >.<

[rigid mango]

Just do opu

I mean aslong as you ahve 1 EB piece you're more than fine

[bleak spoke]

Which helms have you got

[rigid mango]

not any good obv

[bleak spoke]

Well I mean any of ss ttk and eb are good on helms

Swirling sand is good

[rigid mango]

Ye

I mean there are so many good helms

Hard to not have atleast 1

[bleak spoke]

Also while I don’t disagree with 2/2/2 I kinda disagree

[rigid mango]

It's simple

it makes sense

it always works

[bleak spoke]

If I had to run 1 setup for m+ for the rest of the tier I’d play 222

[rigid mango]

It's not minmaxed, it's not perfect, it's just simple and introductory

Sure, you want me to swap my name each week?

I'll do that

[bleak spoke]

But if I had infinite choices I’d run some 321 of any of those traits in different dungeons

And 3 eb 3 ss if I just need to gigablast aoe

[rigid mango]

If I could choose, I'd go 3 ttk 2 ss 1 eb

Each week, probably

[bleak spoke]

This week is definitely a 3tk week

[rigid mango]

Yah for sure

any bolst/sang week

is 3 ttk

[bleak spoke]

But I’d probably play 2 eb

Cuz and start prio rather than end prio on packs

Cuz if you play 321 ttk ss eb you need a decent amount of coordination and sometimes you lack the power to finish off packs that are already even cleave imo

[rigid mango]

tbh

I think it's a really good set up this week

if it was similar shit on fort

I'd go 2 eb

[bleak spoke]

Cuz with 2ss you refresh ep on cooldown and with 2 eb you extend envenom as the playstyle change

[rigid mango]

but since it's tyr, I just value the 2nd ss over the 2nd eb

but that's just me

[bleak spoke]

Yeah that’s fair

[rigid mango]

I mean

Optimally

[bleak spoke]

If I play 3tk with 2 ss I index heavily into mastery and I ask for huge pulls

[rigid mango]

I think 2 ttk 2 ss 1 eb 1 bbi

is the best

For general weeks

I think only for bolst/sang weeks and teem weeks I'd go diff

[timber meadow]

So I have tripple dd and only two ss - should I be going MA build in most cases since I don’t have three shrouded but I do have three dd

[rigid mango]

if u have

[bleak spoke]

But if you play that setup why not just go 3SS 2eb 1 bbi drop all your haste and sit on vanish for on demand

[rigid mango]

a single

ss

u always go sub

I just pref ttk playstyle

I think

[timber meadow]

For raid I mean

[rigid mango]

yeah

that's what I mean

ss = take sub

[bleak spoke]

Yeah that’s fair

[rigid mango]

I think that mostly

[timber meadow]

Like if I go tripple dd I won’t have any ss

[rigid mango]

If u don't have ss

u don't go sub

if u have ss

[bleak spoke]

That’s okay just play ma

[rigid mango]

u go sub

I don't see the issue

also I mostly run w a DH + monk/outlaw

[bleak spoke]

Having any ss means you just don’t play ma unless timings are really bad for subterfuge imo

[rigid mango]

so ttk is nice for my groups

[bleak spoke]

Only stormwall is like that

[rigid mango]

I can imagine

stormwall with ss

[timber meadow]

Okay so if I have the option to go ss and sub hen I do that

[rigid mango]

or rather

stormwall w out ma

[timber meadow]

Even if it means not playing any dd

[rigid mango]

feeling horrible

DD is rly good

for raid

You want it

[bleak spoke]

Unless your guild is giga slow on boats having ss is a liability on p2

[visual quartz]

always want DD for raid, 3xDD MA usualy always sims higher ST

[rigid mango]

you can still go ss even if you have DD

This isn't about what sims highest

[bleak spoke]

Yeh

[rigid mango]

it´'s what he has

[bleak spoke]

It’s about what you have and specific timings on bosses

[rigid mango]

Unless you're going for niche high log pad situations on specific bosses

[timber meadow]

I can either go double ss and 1 dd or three dd and no ss or two dd and 1 ss

[rigid mango]

going as many DD as possible, atleast 1 Np

and filling out the rest

with whatever you got, is the best you can do probs

3 DD and no SS = you play ma

[timber meadow]

Right

[rigid mango]

and ur ST dmg will be better

say

last 3 bosses BoD

[sullen pagoda]

S I M U R S E L F

[rigid mango]

pls

don't do that

This isn't as simple as simming

[bleak spoke]

Having a choice between ss and ma means you’re super ahead already

[sullen pagoda]

yes it is simple as simming

[rigid mango]

it isn't.

Both ahve usages

You just need to know when

[visual quartz]

hes not asking boss specific, hes just asking what he should go, sim yourself first and then decide about each boss you want

[sullen pagoda]

for raids its 100% simming urself

[timber meadow]

No I know what sims higher ST

[rigid mango]

So you mean

[bleak spoke]

I’d say it’s more of a problem of boss timings like I played 1 ss on mekkatorque because there’s like 3 tbs in every vendetta window when you play ma that he goes up and I find that annoying

[rigid mango]

Simming yourself gives an accurate dps to every boss?

in raid?

hm

[timber meadow]

Pure st ma sims higher for me

[rigid mango]

yeah

obv

[dark crag]

For fulltime cleave fights i go ss, for st stuff i go ma. Simple

[sullen pagoda]

you do know you can sim different amount of boss targets

[bleak spoke]

But on stormwall having to delay vendetta is kinda depleted

[rigid mango]

since it's ST and MA is way better than sub + ss

since sub + ss is better for cleave

3DD with MA will be best for ST fights

It's as simple as that, cleave fights SS is really good

[bleak spoke]

On jaina I had my best pulls playing subterfuge cuz that meant I could vendetta more naturally when the rings happened but after the hp nerf if I play subterfuge with our current dps I won’t get second vendetta at all on p1

Stuff like that

[dark crag]

With 5% nerf this week, assa timings will be even more scuffed

[rigid mango]

Lucky me that my guild blew up so I don't have to deal w it

[timber meadow]

But I also notice some weird stuff like on jadefire there’s a lot of MA builds in top logs

When I woulda intuitively thought that’s a sub fight

[cobalt pelican]

i highly doubt there is a lot

[rigid mango]

Quite litearlly

Every single one I see

is highly SS and with sub

[timber meadow]

Oh okay, I must be mistaken

[rigid mango]

in the top 100 of JM

there were 2

with Ma

[cobalt pelican]

jadefire benefits ss even more than regular 2 boss cleave f ights cause of multisided

[bleak spoke]

yeh luhmi i think i just dump energy and vendetta when we run for ice ring

[timber meadow]

Okay that’s helpful I misrememebered

[cobalt pelican]

there might be some nutso 1 guy critting everything in an exactly 420min fight with ma or something but that'll be it

[bleak spoke]

i would cloak that but i need to have cloak to interrupt intermission

FeelsBadMan

[rigid mango]

Yah like

if a person is running ma 3 dd and critting like a madman

their logs will be nutty

[timber meadow]

I mean that correction aligns with what I woulda thought

[rigid mango]

(assuming they're also good)

[bleak spoke]

just crit more 4Head

[rigid mango]

^

[dark crag]

I am the cloak soak for the ♿ people in first intermission

[rigid mango]

I was until I told other rogue was

and now I'm no longer

[sullen pagoda]

you wanna see a beauty of an opener, this is whats it called watching 2nd screen too much https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/343741346806497280/573620709499076608/unknown.png

[dark crag]

When i cloak on ship, atleast 2 people get frozen left side

[sullen pagoda]

this was stormwall while trialing in new guild LUL

[bleak spoke]

LOL WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT

haha

[rigid mango]

that's like

[sullen pagoda]

well got rank 9 stormwall week after

[rigid mango]

one big

ouchie

[sullen pagoda]

but this was mega pepega

[bleak spoke]

my guild threw my rank 1

[sullen pagoda]

watching 2nd screen and forgot to stealth

SAME DUDE

[bleak spoke]

was 31.2k it would still be rank 1 right now

was 3 weeks ago

they missed a soak LOL

[sullen pagoda]

i was on like 29.5k and CDs coming up boss on 20%

and motherfucker

forgets to soak ire

i tilted

[bleak spoke]

^

literally

i think i'd never actually been angry playing wow like that

like no depletes on big keys no wipes have ever actually made me mad

like that did haha

i had 50% crits on my envenoms LOL

[sullen pagoda]

its same on ghuun mythic during prog i had like 3 or 4 rank 1 pulls on >5%

but noooo

lets kill it on scuffed pull

[bleak spoke]

dude my stormwall parse is literally 85

cuz that pull

i had to do some weird shit

with cloaks and soaks

and i got mc'd like 4 times

and of course

taht's the pull

we kill it

[sullen pagoda]

my 1st 2 stormwall kills were all grey logs cuz i just sacrifice my self to ire soak

then 98% and 99% when i dont need to omega

[bleak spoke]

l0l i got lucky for that cuz other people were too helpful

but they didn't have shadowstep

so they got booped off l0l

[sullen pagoda]

oh theres cribStep meme

ill link it in a sec

https://clips.twitch.tv/HonestUglyWalrusKeepo @bleak spoke watch the rogue in ire

[bleak spoke]

man step on stormwall is so strange

[sullen pagoda]

thats cribStep

[dark crag]

Best is when you get mc but went in a safe position, nothing in your way but then melees run infront of you and place seaswell

[bleak spoke]

LOL

the cloak ran out

noooo man

[sullen pagoda]

nah i shadowstepped too early

even worse

LOL

[bleak spoke]

oh LOL

[cobalt pelican]

moving 2 steps for swell 2 hard

i must leave now

is stormwall still fked when you shadowstep sirens actually

that shit was annoying

[sullen pagoda]

yeah you get ported weirdly

[dark crag]

You need to step boss

[sullen pagoda]

like somewhere in the middle

[cobalt pelican]

maybe fix by 9.2

[sullen pagoda]

its there to reminds us of good old DfA days

you pop it and pray you dont end up in eye of azshara last boss pool or some shit

[dark crag]

That was annoying

I used focus tank step before the fix

I miss legion m+

[rigid mango]

I miss legion full stop

[cobalt pelican]

didn't play during legion

not sure if i should be sad or happy that i don't know what i'm missing

[rigid mango]

[cobalt pelican]

quit wod first patch came back bfa first patch

just in time for the shitshow

[rigid mango]

Legion was arguably

best expac ever

[sullen pagoda]

care what you say you will trigger some

[rigid mango]

Idk

[sullen pagoda]

VANILLA WAS THE BEST bois

[rigid mango]

It had its issues

Legendary system cough cough

[sullen pagoda]

ye start of legion definitely had its issues with legendaries

[rigid mango]

Rng for several months to try to get BiS legendary and never get

[sullen pagoda]

but man classes felt so fucking great when fully decked

[rigid mango]

Yeah

It's insane

how nice all of them felt

I'm generally a high APM player

[sullen pagoda]

and legendary swapping in m+ was so involving and made the gameplay so much deeper than it is now

[rigid mango]

and Legion was the peak APM time

now they just chose to slow it all down

😦

Idk I think most dungeons are super poorly designed

DeSiGnEd WiTh M+ iN mInD

[visual quartz]

gear changing in M+ would be fun now

[rigid mango]

does one KR key

[sullen pagoda]

mini bosses just dont work for m+

[rigid mango]

It'd be super

super

super

stupid

if you could gear change

now

[sullen pagoda]

like all the dungeons with mini bosses are most avoided dungeons

[rigid mango]

imagine

being able to go

3 DD 2 NP 1 BBI

for every boss

and go 3 EB 3 SS for each big pack

and prio for everyother pack

it'd be insane

[bleak spoke]

Yeah like

Even if you have to play subterfuge

It’s like actually less than 1% behind ma with many dds and nps

And multidotting on open with subterfuge is still a gain I think so probably better for 2t

I would love to be able to swap to something that gave me a shield for places like freehold

Or like the opulence trinket

Or some on use for damage reduction or shield for spit golds etc

[meager nebula]

you want to be able to adapt to the situation? blasphemy

[robust lake]

what azerite are you running for SOTS this week, im torn

[sand basin]

Is BBI really a BiS trait for sin?

[civic palm]

Sure why not Crit is nice.

[sand basin]

Usually class specific traits are top and crit isn't even top prio for sin unlike SP

Just seems weird to be a BiS

[bronze kelp]

Crit is our highest Stat for m+ and if u run EB and TTK, it's even more worth

[sand basin]

Ttk?

[visual quartz]

most classes, class specific traits are actually garbo, Asn is nice

[sand basin]

Nah there's usually 1-2 traits above or near treacherous

Class specific

Sin just seems to have real options

[cobalt gyro]

bbi gives a fuckload of crit

that's why it's good

[sand basin]

Fair enough, it's pretty high on a few casters. Weird that it's not higher for outlaw and ret then

[tribal marlin]

Unbound force looks damn strong on sin

there is something that give stacks passively

Ok poison application give stacks of Unbound forces

not sure if intended but it's completly broken

[sand basin]

That an essence?

[bronze kelp]

TTK = twist the knife

[tribal marlin]

Pray for bbi

[sand basin]

Ah ty

[tribal marlin]

I got 33% UPTIME

it's completly broken

[grizzled jay]

Despite beta testing. I assume essences will get nerfed heavily once live gets going and people figure shit out

[tribal marlin]

33% uptime on a +100% crit buff

[sand basin]

Wouldn't that make crit gear tradh?

Trash*

[tribal marlin]

Probably

But it wont it live

hit*

I mean the fact it's procing on poison application, i'm not sure it's intended

[tribal marlin]

Lemme show

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpnVCPO6HqM

Stacks are increasing 4 by 4 using mutilate ...

[bronze kelp]

wow, thats heavy OP

if doenst get nerfed before it hits live, Im done with hoping for blizz to even have employees that do balance stuff

[azure basalt]

that looks dope

[civic palm]

It's aight.

[tribal marlin]

Well outlaw can have 100% uptime on the buff since it procs on BF xD

[civic palm]

Requires constant AoE though.

[sand basin]

A world where outlaw is rolling out of RP

[bronze kelp]

is the first boss in Underrot able to be pushed back? I know that grip works, but does engi belt work?

äh not the boss, the blood add

[tribal marlin]

Wont hit live, keep kalm and pray for sub

[thin kernel]

Anyone know the req amount of wins for "blood of the enemy"?

legendary

[civic palm]

PTR stuff? No.

The only thing I know of if the wowhead listing, and that's as such -

[thin kernel]

yeah cant find the achiev when searching, dunno if they can see it on the ptr

[peak saffron]

besides Jaina, what other BoD bosses are a no-no to use Stormglide Steps on? Grong?

[tribal marlin]

funny enough that the greatest essence is a PvP reward

[civic palm]

None.

Boots work everywhere else.

Just dodge

[tribal marlin]

Does Mekkatork robot thingy cancel the buff ?

[peak saffron]

no only bomb damage cancels them on mekkatorque

@civic palm thank you

[tribal marlin]

Would you consider going full ST for 21 wm ?

[bronze kelp]

wut?

why would you ?

you can go more into prio target dmg

with 1 eb 2 ss 3 ttk

okay, i assume full ST is 3dd 3np

that would be dumb, cause your trash dmg would be crap

[thin kernel]

dont think he means 3dd

rather no echoing

[bronze kelp]

at least one EB

always

especially on high trash dungeons like WM

on WM you are maybe 15 minutes on bosses

an the rest is trash fights. so you need dmg on trash

and with bolstering you want to have prio target dmg -> ttk is the choice

if you take 1 ss and 2 eb or the other way round, depends on you if u want more cleave or more aoe dmg

@tribal marlin

[rigid mango]

3 DD in m+

[spice surge]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

First research 8.2 Sin Essence notes Thank you Tisumi: https://tinyurl.com/y6ouut2o

[tribal marlin]

we deplated because of a few fail but we killed council

[real bay]

having 1 EB isn't a very big loss tbh

not like the boss dies 20s slower

but on trash it's a big one

rather use a good st trinket than get rid of EB ?

[marble hemlock]

all trait/talent decisions have an upside and a downside. usually the downside is small, and the upside is big, for any single choice. the more you move into pure aoe or pure st/cleave territory, the smaller the upside, but the bigger the downside

the opportunity cost just gets bigger and bigger the more you try to specialize

1-2EB are perfectly fine for aoe. you can go 3EB+HB to out-pad even outlaws, but the cost of having 3 non-ST viable traits and a talent is too high for most groups/dungeons/affixes

[simple meteor]

2 Eb 3 ss 1 bbi

[real bay]

sim around 25k st in m+ gear , near 36k in slice

[bronze kelp]

i wish i had the pieces to switch to what i want, but atm im stuck with 400 pieces on some builds, the only build with 415 peices i got is 3 eb 2 ttk 1 ss, which isnt that bad, but could get better stuff for tyra weeks

[native lynx]

im in an argument with a guildie atm who is arguing that a slower weapon, assuming ilvl is the same, would only be a 5% dps difference

We know that you have to use daggers, but for the sake of argument

[spice surge]

Cant use mutilate without 2 daggers

[sturdy python]

Abilities use dps in their calculations so wouldn’t matter assuming same dps

Removing the dagger requirement

[spice surge]

It used to work of weapon damage

Like, multiple expansions ago, but now its dps

[native lynx]

my argument is that a faster weapon gains more energy, procs talents more often which results in more than a 5% difference

more enegry = more buttons

[spice surge]

Why would you get more energy?

[valid spoke]

No one have sims for this in a bfa context so I think it'll be hard to find out

[solid nova]

No, Combat potency procs are normalised

[spice surge]

Also, close to all procs are rppm, so it doesnt matter how fast you hit since it Will only proc x times per minute anyway

[solid nova]

Sword/Dagger/7 sided axe, its all the same

[sturdy python]

Combat potency in assassination !?

[solid nova]

@native lynx TLDR: No you're not correct and better suited for #wow-general

[sturdy python]

Assassination doesn’t really benefit from one weapon type or another except that mutilate requires 2 daggers. Unless one ability just so happens to use weapon damage instead of dps but that shouldn’t be a thing anymore.

[native lynx]

so weapon speed is useless

[solid nova]

Considering sin requires 2 daggers

Its a non-starter to begin with

[sturdy python]

For assassin and outlaw yes

[native lynx]

No kidding, I already mentioned that

[sturdy python]

And yeah what Richard says, this is all hypothetical anyway

[native lynx]

I know that, I said that already

[solid nova]

Also, close to all procs are rppm, so it doesnt matter how fast you hit since it Will only proc x times per minute anyway

[tropic ocean]

@real bay atm since I reduced eb traits to get more ttk for bolstering I removed harlans and use spyglass+cos trinket (cos trinket giving really good st dps, as well as trash dps) (your healer will hate you though)

[tribal marlin]

No way I use CoS trinket like ever in m+ :3

[real bay]

could try, but drop it at 20s lol

or just yell at your healer

[tribal marlin]

I don't understand why you remove EB and switch to spyglass, since crit is loosing value with the removal of EB no ? Sim will have the word but I think you should keep Harlan

[tropic ocean]

i didn't remove eb

I just reduced it to put more ttk to trim priority mobs

and spyglass > in m+ still

for me its a good mix for this weeks affixes

[tribal marlin]

Well @real bay imagine if I don't use the trinket, replacing it with like Plumage. I think the dps my healer can provide greatly compensate the difference between trinket right 😄 ?

Dunno might sim to be sure, for me I have socket on 415 dice so I won't replace it

[true parcel]

Hello! Leveling my 1st wow rogue and I would like some opinions on the outlook on the state of rogue specs. I’ll mainly be running m+. With the outlaw azerite trait nerf and the 8.2 season affix is assassin looking to be the preferred m+ spec?

[turbid zealot]

whats the 8.2 serason affix?

season*

[solid nova]

"Beguiling
Azshara's Emissaries are present throughout the dungeon."

It's unconfirmed of its exact interaction

As for if Sin > Outlaw for M+, thats 🔮 for now

Both will likely be more than fine

[true parcel]

I heard it’s more st based, like a random mob getting a buff turning into a stronger version or something

[solid nova]

Theres still going to be at least another month, if not more before release, so making definitive statements at this stage is just guess work

[turbid zealot]

question in raids do we refresh our dots before swapping to a diff target or add?

[sand gust]

yo so i heard sin was better for raiding heroic bod then outlaw is that true or no

[solid nova]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/21#difficulty=4

@sand gust

[sand gust]

yea qued up as sin for my chest got a dagger guna try to do the rotation and raid

[tropic ocean]

@turbid zealot depends on the fight, what damage you need and if your dots would run out, if you attack target a and need to switch to target b, and dots on target a would run out before you are back at target a, refresh yes (for most dps)

[turbid zealot]

ok ty

[tropic ocean]

if its conclave for example, you won't benefit from multidotting both bosses

@true parcel i guess if theres one buffed mob due to affix, you will most likely kill him together with other trash so it won't matter if you are outlaw or sin (i mean in infested you didn't kill infested mob alone either, you cc'd 3-4 and then played them together)

[timber meadow]

@tropic ocean on conclave i try and just get ruptures up. my haste is too low so having that extra bit helps

[tropic ocean]

well all the dmg done to the non killed boss is basically poofed to air

[timber meadow]

ya

it's just for energy regfen

[tropic ocean]

you can use kidney shot with kidney shot talent on raptors to gain some energy

(you will do more dps by just pooling/autoattacking, than dotting the non activate boss)

[timber meadow]

oh nice, okay ill give it a try

[fervent beacon]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[sand gust]

hey as an assisnation rogue on king rasta the adds in the begining do u fan of knives or do single target damage to the adds then king rasta for heroic bod

[sleek iron]

i garrote all 3, rupture seigebreaker, vendetta tb, get 3 envenoms off and rupture the other two and focus back on seigebreaker

vanish garrote on all 3 when 5 seconds left on timer

[sand gust]

dam ur pro ill try to remember all that @sleek iron i use to only do mythic plus with outlaw spec but ill try to do what you said as assisnation spec

[sleek iron]

this is assuming you have at least two double dose traits

[sand gust]

yea i have 3 double dose and 3 nothing personal

[sterile ocean]

i think raidbots is broken

you wanna have double dose and nothing personal on the same azerite piece correct?

[spice surge]

Well yes, but there are 3 rows of traits

[short wasp]

Whats ideal crazy dps traits for Assassinatiion for M10+'s Is it still x3 EB and x3 SS?

[sterile ocean]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5AGv1RnvEjwm4a3q7347C2 why the hell is it want me to use Treacherous Covenant over Nothing personal

[sand gust]

is my azerite gear ok i just switched from outlaw to assination cuz i learned that assassination is for raiding and outlaw is for mythic plus

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5ztZ5Xvq2D8fjKUHmrmy1t

[spice surge]

Because you already have one NP and no good on-use trinket (ie a badge/lurkers/plumage)

[sterile ocean]

i should be useing all 3 reguardless

[spice surge]

?

[sterile ocean]

thats what your'e wanting to shoot for

i also have a on use trinket

[sand gust]

anthaz how come your damage is more then mine but were the same ilevel

[sterile ocean]

prob some pieces i got have better stats on it

not sure

[spice surge]

You dont have a 2 min on-use trinket which you line up with NP; which is what makes np better

Lurkers buffs np by like 20%

[sand gust]

dang ok

[spice surge]

Also, the current ideal setup does not use 3x NP and 3x DD since there isnt a chest which has both those traits and overwhelming power

[sterile ocean]

also majority of your stuff dont have crit haste on it

oh ok

[spice surge]

@sand gust Swap to master assassin instead of subterfuge since you have no SS, enchant haste or mastery instead of crit on your rings and try to get a on-use trinket

[sand gust]

kk

[spice surge]

And you should see a ST gain

[sand gust]

kk

[cobalt pelican]

raidbots is borken

no giv nothin personnel

[sterile ocean]

@cobalt pelican so i should go for nothing personal?

i am lost now

[cobalt pelican]

no i was just being a dumbass

[sterile ocean]

ahhh

[cobalt pelican]

i would take np anyway since the difference is negligible at 100% tc uptime

[sterile ocean]

ahhh yeah

[cobalt pelican]

and generally most fight lengths favour np anyway

[sterile ocean]

i was just going off what bloodmallet told me and raidbots told me to go for a diffrent trait

[cobalt pelican]

bloodmallet is one generic template ran through simcraft

use it as a rough guide and no more

[sterile ocean]

yeah

also on the dropamizer it even told me before i got mythic champs helm if i got the helm from the vender get both nothing personal and Double dose which is basicly the same helm just diffrent name

[long hill]

is it worth to stack echoing blade for mythic+?

[sand gust]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vBhpZDbQMzMhm2UHMT7Jdd

i put haste to rings

[sterile ocean]

Little better

[spice surge]

@sand gust https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qMh3wZQ92HveGNPcZjW9Td

Probably like 30-50 higher if you swap crit gems to haste, but i assume you use those for outlaw so its fine

[dull osprey]

Have SS builds surpassed DD again?

[cobalt pelican]

n o

[dull osprey]

:thumbs_up:

[sand gust]

eleem wholy shit how did u know i had all that old gear i didnt know it was better

i will def wear that i just dont have premium raid bots so i couldnt do big sims

thank yo by the way 😃

[strange python]

He hacked your account, and looked in your bags.

😃

[cobalt pelican]

hackerman

[spice surge]

Well if i press "sim again" on the one you linked, it literally takes your previous /simc and pastes it into mine 😄

[sand gust]

😉

[strange python]

You're a god Eleem

Actual magic

[valid spoke]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

First research 8.2 Sin Essence notes Thank you Tisumi: https://tinyurl.com/y6ouut2o

[dark crag]

Wasn't 3dd 1np 1bbi 1ttk 3op the "meta" setup?

[spice surge]

bbi and second np sims basicly the same if you have a decent lurkers

But yes

[shell lodge]

Hi does Shrouded Suffication trait stack ?

[solid nova]

The damage does yes

The CP generation, no

Still very good to stack for m+

[shell lodge]

nothing personal too ?

[distant lava]

dmg yes energy no

[shell lodge]

cuz i can get like 2 of each from items

[lost tree]

is it worth to play Subterfuge with 3x SS at Opulence Myth? is the sim still bugged

[spice surge]

Sim bugged? I dont remember simc being bugged

No not really, the adds die too fast

[lost tree]

there was something i remember that the sims are curious

right now i have 3 DD 2 NP and 1 TC. so i sholuld play still like that

[visual mesa]

How would you guys value unstable flames compared to heed my call in dungeons?

[harsh sphinx]

personally not a fan of random damage procs but they prob sim pretty close

[spice surge]

Unstable is better in every scenario than heed

Heeds aoe is so abysmally small that its essentially a ST proc

[cobalt pelican]

depends if your raid has a reliable topaz or not i think bluehawk

i can imagine ss/np during the crit buff being pretty juicy

though how much of the difference it covers from normal builds i'm not supersure

[lost tree]

okay thanks @cobalt pelican

[cobalt pelican]

if you're progressing it's probably best to play pure st since the majority of deaths and dumb shit happens before gems are in play anyway but after that i think playing for the topaz crit windows is the play

[versed mica]

So ravenholdt.net doesn't say anything about energy pooling, yet wowhead's guide says I should energy pool. What do?

[lost tree]

yeah we still progress at opu cause people are dumb 😄 playing full ST niow and might be dead at wednesday after ~100 pulls

[meager nebula]

@versed mica the wowhead guide is correct in that you should be energy pooling

[crisp steppe]

@versed mica if you check what envenom and eloborate planning do you can figure pooling is a thing. especially when theres times you can pool without any downsides

I guess that makes sense right^^

[azure basalt]

it took my guild like 120 pulls on opulence and over 100 was just the rooms lmao

[versed mica]

"Against a single target, with neither Vendetta nor Toxic Blade up, it is worth pooling to about 80% energy before using it. (envenom)"

What makes 80% so special tho?

[crisp steppe]

theres nothing special about it

just a way to prevent wasting energy

if you pool to 99% you're likely to mess up sometimes right

[versed mica]

lmao true

So essentially because of EP and envenom's buff, we want more energy to use more muts and get higher damage double dose procs?

[crisp steppe]

deadly poison applications will deal instant dmg after the first one yeah

so you get more dmg that way too

even without EP and azerite it would still hold true

just less so

[versed mica]

Gotchya

thanks yall

[nimble tartan]

u ever scrap your 2nd cephalide to get enough to gamble another chest and then u get a 3rd ceph

[bronze kelp]

^^ had the same with shoulders 😉

[ripe portal]

Same, but Raiment of the Blighted  Tribe x 4

[strange python]

how trash is it to stack SS? i'd only be able to run 2SS/2NP/DD/x atm

[civic palm]

Trash for anything entirely single target.

[warm harbor]

Does cloaking the orb of frost soak for m jaina stop the stacks from being added for the soak>

[grave delta]

ive done that with my 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th cowl helm. i just want deadshot....

[hollow stone]

@warm harbor not sure if it does or not. Youre likely better off cloaking the siegebreaker or cloaking right before getting frozen at the end

[warm harbor]

With the 5% nerf to health not going to have an issue with getting frozen I don't think, but if I stop 3-4 stacks of CT that'll help the healers out a ton (thats the theory I suppose)

[white basalt]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[white basalt]

anyone know which WA this is?

plz 😦

[civic palm]

That WA has double CD number showing anyway > _>

Just scrub through the Rogue stuff looking at the pictures.

No idea.

[white basalt]

im just so used to it now

and my WA's all got wiped

[civic palm]

Just looking at it without knowing anything about it, looks like you can just go through the Templates and get the stuff you want.

[lone junco]

@civic palm mine still has double numbers. lol

I just ignore

[civic palm]

Then line it up.

FUCKINNOOBEJEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESUS

here I am doing weird shit

and Noobe has numbers showing twice basically on purpose > _>

[lone junco]

just lazy

[civic palm]

Course.

[lone junco]

ripped out a lot of the hpal stuff as well.

rip mana bar etc

[white basalt]

Found it, if anyone cares https://wago.io/H1P2C4mim

yes i know its not the best 😦

[cobalt pelican]

i had two numbers on my was for a long time cause i use omnicc for everything but want custom function text on some auras

the only way i could figure out to not have double text was make a whitelist of literally everything for omnicc and i was too lazy

[civic palm]

Just blacklist WA in OMNICC.

[cobalt pelican]

then i have to manually add text timers to everything

[civic palm]

For WA, sure.

But that's kinda the point.

It's also only 1 click.

[timid cloud]

Did they change Jaina?

You used to be able to eat orbs with cloak in image phase, no?

[cobalt gyro]

yes?

[timid cloud]

It's not working anymore.

[cobalt gyro]

where you seeing this

[timid cloud]

I'm currently at M Jaina right now & I used to be able to eat them to clear the way. Same for a spell-bop

[cobalt gyro]

seems like a weird thing to change without posting notes?

do you have a gif or something

[hazy geyser]

is it better to use a 405 DD NP or a 415 NP and twist the knife?

both have overwhelming power

if i go with 405 i will have 3 DD and if i go with 415 i will have 2 DD 2 NP so idk which one to choose

[timid cloud]

https://clips.twitch.tv/LaconicOptimisticBaconRickroll

That should show it.

I just tried it a few more times to make sure.

I'm even walking into the orb fully.

Not just the outline, which normally would be the spot where it would eat the orb.

I think you see a portion of spell-bop not working either.

[hollow jungle]

i use my cloak there to sit on jaina and get the interrupt...shouldn't have to clear shit

[visual quartz]

Not sure, when I cloak it doesnt affect you but dont recall it ever making the orb disapear

[tropic ocean]

it did

just like ams/pala bubble

[timid cloud]

I think I’m taking damage from it too.

It just doesn’t seem right tbh.

Because hunters can turtle it & eat them up

& we where able to eat them last week.

[tropic ocean]

just check from your log if you took dmg from it

[cobalt gyro]

it's working fine for me

[timid cloud]

Was it just my instance then? Because that clip shows me running through it fully & multiple times throughout the VOD

[tropic ocean]

maybe visual problem?

[timid cloud]

I legit took my time to try to eat them. I’ll try more tomorrow I guess.

I’ll ask for a test wipe lmao

[tropic ocean]

for the dmg part u can just check log

or have someone running into a soaked orb and see if he gets frozen

[cobalt gyro]

literally working fine for me

i hit sprint + cloak and eat like 6

[hollow stone]

Also worked for me

Just as usual

[timid cloud]

That's super strange.

[short pivot]

Same for me yday, cloaked sprinted like 30 times nothing happened to orbs

[tiny finch]

Ok buddies 2 questions,

im using Shrouded Suffocation and im getting lost on the 2nd burst

im using the normal ( stealth > garrote, Rupture, garrote, vendetta , toxic blade, envenon ) rotation

then Vanish when garrote completely falls off, garrote garrote then normal rotation

the problem is

when the next vendetta comes out of CD i still have like 20 seconds on vanish

1 - Should i hold my Vendetta for the vanish combo?

2 - should i hold my vendetta for the Toxic Blade CD to come off as well?

it generally has like 15 seconds

[sturdy python]

Hold vendetta and line up with vanish assuming you won’t lose a vendetta cast later in the fight

[tiny finch]

forgive the bad english

[sturdy python]

Which is unlikely

[tiny finch]

and for toxic blade? should i hold for the 15 secs to come?

[sturdy python]

You’d have to hold vendetta and vanish for 15s?

If you don’t lose a cast of either in a fight then it’s not going to be a loss but that depends on kill timing

[tiny finch]

yes

its on the vanish CD tho

i wouldnt have to hold anything else

im trying to print my timers sec

[sturdy python]

You don’t need to have Tb up when you use vendetta either

Can use vendetta when Tb has 12s on cd and get all of Tb inside the window

[tiny finch]

26 seconds on vanish

5 seconds on Toxic blades

[sturdy python]

Then you shouldn’t need to hold anything

Except vendetta

[tiny finch]

hmm interesting

so wait 26 seconds untill vanish comes off cd

then start back with vanish, garrote envenon garrot then ( burst 1 rotation ) right?

[sturdy python]

Use that Tb in 5 secs, 20s later use vendetta/vanish and then in 5 secs you’ll have Tb up and vendetta is still out

[tiny finch]

aaah i see

[sturdy python]

Assuming you’re not going to lose a vendetta cast later

[tiny finch]

so ALWAYS hold vendetta for vanish

on the long term, like after 4 vanishes wouldnt i lose 1 vendetta in the fight?

[sturdy python]

Which means the kill happens at like 2:20, 4:20 etc

[tiny finch]

hmm thining about it, no fight endures like 10 minutes

ahhahahah

[sturdy python]

No

[tiny finch]

for 4 vanishes

xD

[sturdy python]

Because after first time you hold it lines up for everything after

[tiny finch]

8 minutes for 4 vanishes**

Oh nice

[sturdy python]

So you only lose 26ish seconds

[tiny finch]

yeah true, since i wont be out of combat for a normal stealth

ill make this test

can i put a Shadowmeld for a extra stealth or nah?

[sturdy python]

For example if a boss dies at 4:20 you’d technically lose a cast

1st: 0:00 2nd: 2:25 ish 3rd 4:20

So you don’t get that third cast because you held for the 2nd

Whereas if you don’t hold on that case
1st: 0:00 2nd: 2:00 3rd: 4:00

Three vendettas

[tiny finch]

hmmm