assassination

[solid nova]

Warcraftlogs

If uploaded

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/

[strange python]

Uploaded? I have to load them? Similar to the raidbots process?

[solid nova]

https://www.wowhead.com/how-to-use-warcraft-logs-to-improve-character-performance

That'll help as well

Have a read though and any other questions relating to how to log should be in #wow-general

[strange python]

Amazing

[dense sleet]

can someone pls tell me if it's worth going 3x DD 1x NP 1x SS 1x BS for raiding or should i get rid of 1 DD for a second SS?

[civic palm]

A second SS wouldn't do as much as a 3rd DD as there are not many times you will find use for the Shrouded Suffocation and Subterfuge.

[spice surge]

I dont even know what BS is

[civic palm]

There are uses for SS/SUB in CoS however.

Especially if your guild/group are doing strategies that coral the mobs near each other and you can make the most use out of SS/SUB.

SoB maybe?

_>

[tropic ocean]

theres a lot of uses for ss in bod too

[strange python]

Sim yourself with 3DD, 2 NP and 1SS @dense sleet

[deft cliff]

do you prio shrouded suffo or ehco blades in m+?

[civic palm]

SIM isn't going to assist in practical applications.

[tropic ocean]

@deft cliff no any mix is fine, and depending on dungeons/affix

rn i run 3 ttk 2 ss 1 eb

[deft cliff]

whats ttk?

[tropic ocean]

twist the knife

[strange python]

The Envenom trait

[civic palm]

BS = Bonded Souls

Throw that shit out of the window.

[deft cliff]

double dose any good for m+?

[tropic ocean]

no

[fair hill]

its ST

[tropic ocean]

the majority of m+ consists of multitarget theres not really a reason to take dd

[fair hill]

procs of muts, so not good for m+

[strange python]

Your best traits for m+ are mix of TTK, SS, EB @deft cliff

[deft cliff]

Ok one nothing personal worth having? or just those 3

[spice surge]

Not really, but its definitely not awful on tyrannical weeks

[tropic ocean]

usually u want any mix of ttk/ss/eb

[civic palm]

NP is FINE, but you would ditch it for one of the big three.

[strange python]

You can run 1 NP for m+, not more, test it

[deft cliff]

Ok Perfect thanks so much guys

[tropic ocean]

np doesnt really have good value since its a dmg increase every 2minutes

while other traits have way better uptime

[bleak spoke]

I think dratnos plays 3SS blightborne 2NP in tyrannical kings or something like that

[strange python]

when is it best to refresh garrote and rupture

below 4s?

[civic palm]

--> PANDEMIC REFRESH WINDOWS <--
Refresh Under the following numbers unless Empowered
Garrote: 5.4 seconds
Rupture (4cp): 6 seconds
Rupture (5cp): 7.2 seconds

[vestal wren]

30% of duration of the spell

[civic palm]

or, just remember the numbers and don't do fractions in raid like a weirdo.

[vestal wren]

or just make your dot change color somewhere around the pandemic range

[civic palm]

Bingo.

[mint kindle]

Are the openers in the pinned guide the best ones? (Double SS + subterfuge)

[civic palm]

Yep.

[mint kindle]

Ok thanks!

[deft cliff]

How many targets do you rupture in an aoe pack? before starting to envenom

m+ that is

[civic palm]

About 4.

Bleeds total.

[deft cliff]

4 total? so 2 garotes and 2 ruptures? for example

[civic palm]

Your goal is to make it so that you generate enough Energy to spam FoK as hard as you fucking can,

so you need ~35 energy per second.

[dark crag]

4×7=28

[civic palm]

Haste influences tick rate as well, so the number moves a little.

A LITTLE.

[dark crag]

+normal reg

[burnt dome]

At opening 3x garrotte + 2 or 3 ruptured and later in aoe pack I keep up 4 rupture and that’s usually plenty

[civic palm]

Just do your opener, and keep up enough Bleeds so you can smash FoK.

[burnt dome]

Also try to keep in mind that 1 rupture on a lower hp mob can give you extra energy when you need it from when it dies

[civic palm]

Rupture over Garrote for refreshes due to the longer duration.

[deft cliff]

fair enough been doing garrote on cd so was wrong 😃

[burnt dome]

Yeah garrotte is not worth he energy unless empowered

[tropic ocean]

in pack i usually open 3x garrote rupture > fok to 4 > envenom(for the buffff) > fok to 4 >rupture >fok to 4 rupture > fok spam envenom

[vast forum]

not so much about energy as it is not worth a global

[strange python]

hi guys which gem should i use on oppulence hc?

[rigid mango]

If ur on ruby duty, that

if not, yout ake opal like every other class afaik

If you're not on a specific role, it's always opal

[strange python]

@rigid mango but only if nothing else doing ruby?

[rigid mango]

I mean you need rubies

it's just that if you're one of the people that are chosen by your raid lead to take a ruby

you take one, if not, you take an opal

It's that simple

[strange python]

Yeah i know 😃

[rigid mango]

So if you know, why ask?

[strange python]

i mean where is the dps out higher?

for parsing

opal i think

[night vale]

yeah

😃

[rigid mango]

Well, obviously

Since you as a person gain damage

[night vale]

Yeah, the Ruby puts a debuff on the boss for EVERYONE.

And the opal just increases damage YOU deal :)

So in an ideal world other people will be on ruby and you will get to use the opal

[slow spoke]

Hi everyone,

I’m currently having trouble with my DPS as I’ve sim’ed my damage last night, the result was 26.3k. I have been trying different rotations(from wowhead/ravenholdt) but my usual DPS hits around 18-21k after my opener.

Running 3X DD, 1 x TD, 1x NP
BUILD: TB/ Master Assassin.

Here’s my Warcraftlog link down below:

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/jmFdb7NX4fHAg6hp/#fight=22

[rigid mango]

Also gonna add those are only 5 traits

idk if ur running 5 traits or if u missed 1

[cosmic pier]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[solid nova]

You're holding TB for ages

Between 78-132 you dont use it once

and then from 132-184

184-230

and so on

Theres a massive chunk of DPS already

Why are you holding it for so long?

[slow spoke]

Ah okay so do I have to pool my erengy around 70% then use TB

[solid nova]

You missed 6 TB casts total, thats actually huge

[slow spoke]

Is there a rule of thumb to use TB or I just hit it whenever TB is up

[solid nova]

TB on CD.

6 missed casts is massive

[rigid mango]

It's one of the things, you have to pool BEFORE TB comes off cd

so you can press it instantly

[slow spoke]

So doesn't matter what percentage my energy is and combo points ?

[rigid mango]

not whilst it off cd

[slow spoke]

I see

[solid nova]

You shouldnt be holding TB for double its CD for the sake of "pooling"

Thats misplay on your part

[rigid mango]

He has a family richard stop 😠

[slow spoke]

Anything else beside TB?

I will practice the rotation later again when I'm home

[hollow stone]

When learning, dont bother pooling. Just do like richy said and tb on cd

When you get more comfortable, start pooling

[strange python]

Vendetta>TB>Envenom

[rigid mango]

Wat

[slow spoke]

@strange python ?

[rigid mango]

I'm very confused

[tropic ocean]

@slow spoke how you use your spells changes with what encounter you are fighting, theres pretty much a pov on youtube for every boss so you can just look what they are doing to get a feeling

e.g. sometimes its better to hold tb before movement

[slow spoke]

@tropic ocean I agree, the rotation feels different every fight

[tropic ocean]

in your particular fight you also don't use flask, no food, no pot and overcap energy

for jadefire master, theres no point in using vendetta when you're getting teleported up

[slow spoke]

Mythic Opulence and conclave r totally different fights in terms rotations and CDs

[tropic ocean]

its better to delay it so you get the full duration

[slow spoke]

Assuming right after multi sided strike

[tropic ocean]

preferably

[slow spoke]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/yaWCRnrDJqTfkgKN/#fight=15&type=damage-done&source=20

Here is anothe log from last night

[tropic ocean]

tryto get the same uptime on jadefire too

you have <90% uptime on the bosses in your jadefire kill

if you increase your uptime and use more energy, stop wasting tb you will do same dps as the other rogues in your raid

in conclave

theres no point in dotting paku

go full single target on active boss, use kidney shot with internal bleeding on raptors/rupture(if u need energy)

[slow spoke]

@gusty kestrel TB and I are mortal enemies

[sturdy python]

Remember the enemy of your enemy is your friend. So TB is friend

[slow spoke]

I would prefer fixing my rotation instead of using other alternative

[solid nova]

I mean even if badly timed

[slow spoke]

yeah I will fix it tonight, didn't know TB was a such a big deal

[solid nova]

TBing on CD is going to solve a large chunk

Its a huge portion of your damage

And you're omitting it entirely

Especially as you're running TTK as well

[last zephyr]

Good music taste @solid nova <:

[slow spoke]

I think what happened was I tried to hard to keep my garrote/rupture up then after that I was tryna get 3-4 combo points with 70% ernegy available THEN use TB but by the time I tryna use TB my garrote and rupture r about fall off then it goes back to step one lol

[solid nova]

I mean i just think you're too focused on set energy %s/CPs which isnt ideal when the fundamental basics needs to be covered first

[tropic ocean]

Refresh your garrote rupture within pandemic and you shouldnt really have problems with them falling off during tb

[solid nova]

^ Its all about forward planning

[simple meteor]

when mastery sims more then crit but you still want that 4 combos into 1 multilate

[rigid mango]

That feel when mastery sims higher but u don't care about 4 cp and want more dmg instead

[spice surge]

Rebellious spirits, all of you

[rigid mango]

but

Dmg

[vast kelp]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/RwbcyTdavj8VKf34/#fight=29&type=summary&source=6 if anyone could take a look that'd be dope. Did pretty good damage, just looking for an 2nd set of eyes to take a look

[slow spoke]

THABNKS A BUNCH my rogue friends

[patent leaf]

@vast kelp fuck me, that lurkers gift

[fringe epoch]

are stormglide steps any good on jaina?

[dark crag]

No

Frost debuff kills stacks

[fringe epoch]

@vast kelp your gear wtf

[vast kelp]

Lul

Just get better roll ups 4head

[mighty elm]

r u telling me everytime vision of perfection procs you get 20 sec of nothing personal?

[fierce umbra]

!azerite

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Azerite Season 2 changes: https://bit.ly/2U86I7o

[mighty elm]

hm?

[celest ruin]

is leeching poison worth it in grevious weeks?

[fringe epoch]

no

[strange python]

@vast kelp pretty lucky lad arent ya. 😃

[vast kelp]

running 40+ keys a week something is bound to drop eventually haha

[night vale]

Think he was referring to the 425 with a socket crucible trinket xD

Holy hell thats big

[tribal marlin]

Anyone on the ptr can explain me why I can test minor essence power

beside having hoa lvl 55

[tropic ocean]

@steady raptor leeching poison best

https://prnt.sc/nmid01

when you cant get dmg logs

[wet creek]

hey one quick q. should I override evenom buff to fit one more evenom in EP or max eve buff uptime?

[vast kelp]

Let ep go as long as you can but make sure you use your envenom before ep falls off

As long as you arent going to energy cap/let bleeds drop etc

[tribal marlin]

during Vendetta / TB you don't really plan around buffs and only try to fit maximum globals as possible

[solemn meadow]

Got any tips for cabal?

just multidot both ?

[spice surge]

For mythic? Dont die

[solemn meadow]

ye myth

[spice surge]

The buff is only really good to take before your cooldowns get back up and you can burst

[wet creek]

thx 4 tips. Im 2k behind my sims always and it sucks maybe that was the problem

[spice surge]

Otherwise rogues are just too squishy so you cant handle having it up a lot

[solemn meadow]

did you play with lurker?

[spice surge]

Feint doesnt work unless you spec elusiveness also, which you could, but probably shouldnt

[tribal marlin]

hell no

Banish lurker from your inventory on this fight

[solemn meadow]

I dont have any replacement

D:

[real bay]

lurker if you live on the ege

edge

[vast kelp]

Lurker is definetly not for prog lol

[solemn meadow]

I got the heal trinket

in 410

370 dooms wake

[spice surge]

Just stay with lurkers and cancelaura after 20s, should be fine

[solemn meadow]

what is the buff called?

for the cancelaura macro

[spice surge]

Insidious gift i believe

[solemn meadow]

thx

Is it optimal to always keep up garrote and rapture on both bosses?

or just rupture

[vast kelp]

Both

[solemn meadow]

and last stupid question

how does the opener look like on 2+ targets?

[vast kelp]

Do u have ss

[solemn meadow]

ik ppl play with subterfuge and ss

ye

[visual quartz]

same opens as jadefire?

[solemn meadow]

I have rerolled to rogue this week

so no clue

Ik you open st with garrote rupture garrote vendetta

tb

[vast kelp]

Garrote 1 garrote 2 garrote 1 rupture 1 rupture 2 vendetta toxic blade

[solemn meadow]

oh so you pandemic the first garrote

I see

tyvm my man

[vast kelp]

Yea then when they tick out you'll vanish and get 2 pandemic garrote

[solemn meadow]

at like 5 sec left?

[vast kelp]

Once target 2 ticks out replace it with unbuffed and when target one falls off then vanish

Then you have 2 full pandemic buffed garrotes and didnt waste any tics of buffed garrotes

[solemn meadow]

damn that sounds complicated to learn but fun

[vast kelp]

Hit that dummy

[solemn meadow]

I'll do that after the raid^^

do you guys use focus macros at cabal?

[vast kelp]

It's more complicated to type out haha

[solemn meadow]

to make it easier with tab targetting

[vast kelp]

I don't

[tropic ocean]

on 2 target 2x ss on prio 1x ss on other

then normal rotation with keeping up dots on both

[bleak spoke]

Dratnos was using elu for prog for the rebuff you have to run out

Cuz cheat death is trap when you have rebuff cuz it operates on your max hp

[solemn meadow]

damn

[bleak spoke]

Debuff

[solemn meadow]

I should fix my ui

having problems seeing the dots uptime

anyone got a wa for the nameplates?

or maybe a good nameplate addon

[tropic ocean]

11plater

[bleak spoke]

I think most of us use plater or kui

[solemn meadow]

I have elvui

[bleak spoke]

It’ll override it

I’ve been using default plater and it’s quite pleasant

[tropic ocean]

default

ew

[solemn meadow]

could you show me a pic?

of how it looks

[bleak spoke]

I think I messed with transparency for explos or whatever

[tropic ocean]

literally customized everything in plater its so good

the standard explosive settings can cause seizures tho 😄

[solemn meadow]

I mean the nameplates

with the dots applied

[tropic ocean]

here

[bleak spoke]

https://i.imgur.com/5hteMxe.jpg

[tropic ocean]

you can fully customizeit

color/font

[solemn meadow]

is that plater nameplates?

[tropic ocean]

buff size

[bleak spoke]

mine is

[solemn meadow]

looks the same to me

like both of urs

just different sizes

[tropic ocean]

i have different font

colors

[solemn meadow]

man

that ifght is fun

as assa

I really see the difference thx

I do like 36k unbuffed

and the other shit rogue does like 25k

[tropic ocean]

u can build ur perfect ui

[solemn meadow]

I mean with how you guys told me to play

[spice surge]

Even with cheat death only absorbing 2x of your health, elusiveness isnt gonna make you be able to take crushings you otherwise wouldnt be able to take

Unless you have a rotation of externals on you

Neither is particularly strong on cabal

[bleak spoke]

fair

[solemn meadow]

hmm

how can I reduce the name of the mobs

the size*

[tropic ocean]

under target should

[solemn meadow]

Cant find it

found it

do I hold my vendetta till I get the dmg buff?

[silver cipher]

I do, but I have 3x Nothing Personal

[cosmic pier]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5GJhBehwyJCxY1FymsjbP9 so close to 28k

time to gamble shoulders

[pseudo hamlet]

!azerite

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Azerite Season 2 changes: https://bit.ly/2U86I7o

[tropic ocean]

@solemn meadow in cos?

[royal lantern]

mother of sockets and weapon luck

got the bis azerite setup, but 415/410 weapon and only 3 sockets after shitton of farming :c

[cosmic pier]

PepeHands

i just play a shitton of m+, you eventually get scokets

[royal lantern]

im done with farming stuff til 8.2

not like it will change shit

[cosmic pier]

i farm r.io lmao

[solemn meadow]

ye

I gotta make the debuffs more visible

they are super dark and have like 20% opacity

[cosmic pier]

@royal lantern heres some more sockets, look at that mastery lmao https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/2xq3JCvWyQ41DzmB#fight=34&type=summary&source=22

[solemn meadow]

so does feint not work at cabal?

[royal lantern]

there is a list in general where you can check

[cosmic pier]

god i miss archive

[spice surge]

I have a sheet of what abilities feint work on in crucible pinned in #wow-general

[dark crag]

Zul mythic, good times

[royal lantern]

no

not good times, the gameplay was mindnumbing stupid :c

[cosmic pier]

i just hope new azerite neck shit speeds up the rotation a bit

[royal lantern]

sin is slow by desing tbf

[spice surge]

It is already to fast for me

[cosmic pier]

eh late legion the rotation was pretty quick

[simple meteor]

[cosmic pier]

didnt have to pool much

[royal lantern]

you will still pool eneergy and stuff, the tb windows themself will just be faster

[spice surge]

I prefer it when its slower and more pooling, but yeah idk

[royal lantern]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qDe3V1DjJ8EgqpPqG2RTbm @cosmic pier just noticed that im not really lower lel

[cosmic pier]

just play 3 ss 3 np exsang and do all your damage in a 20 sec window 😛

[solemn meadow]

@spice surge thx for your work

[cosmic pier]

god i wish i had shoulders so i could drop TC for jaina prog

[royal lantern]

just dont lose hp

ez

[cosmic pier]

4Head

no disc priest btw

pls send help

[spice surge]

3ss 3 np and do 90k openers

[solemn meadow]

Pog

[real bay]

3ss 2np BBI pog

[solemn meadow]

man

if I get crushing doubt

the first one

do i just not get the dmg buff?

[dark crag]

That thing gives a dmg buff?

[silver cipher]

I can go 3SS or 2DD / TTF with 3NP, but the 3SS is siming lower 😦

[solemn meadow]

no

I mean if I get crushing doubt

I dont go into the power buff

or else I cant survive it probably?

[royal lantern]

when you tank the ranged one? you should not take the dmg buff imo

[solemn meadow]

wat

the first dmg buff

at pull

where u bloodlust

[dark crag]

Mythic or hc?

[solemn meadow]

mythic

[royal lantern]

if healers give you externals you can i gues?

[solemn meadow]

I mean it feels like one of these argus moments

you got spikey circle?

gtfo you wont get a buff

😡

[royal lantern]

its just really risky and puts somewhat ussules dmg on the guy that dispells you tbh

[solemn meadow]

thats what I mean

its rng if you get a good opener

😄

[royal lantern]

deepens if you REALLY need the additonal dps

[upbeat geode]

Quick question, if you Rupture a 2nd target and it dies quickly, is that a dps increase or loss?

i always thought the extra energy helped our dps, my RL just told me not to do it

[royal lantern]

deepens on the situation, not really easy too say

[spice surge]

For ST its not a dps gain

[upbeat geode]

ok. thanks guys!

[spice surge]

The situation where its worth it is if there is a lot of targets and you have eb trait(s)

[upbeat geode]

Its on jaina, we get the frozen balista's i use it on those, just to get a full energy pool when it dies

[spice surge]

Unless you need damage on the ballistas its not worth

Because you're spending 5cp to get ~80 energy

[royal lantern]

i tried that too, and i didnt really saw a dps difference

and we have a destro lock, i dont even need too think about touching the balista

[upbeat geode]

yea we have 2 locks, i was just thinking about my own dps

[solemn meadow]

man why do so many bis azerite pieces

have so crappy defensive

[royal lantern]

too give healers something too do

[upbeat geode]

just press feint instead

[solemn meadow]

I wish I had 3x resounding like with my warrior

ye if feint worked at cabal

😡

Does everything work with elusiveness? @spice surge

[spice surge]

Yes

[royal lantern]

elusiveness is a flat dmg reduction

[tropic ocean]

you can preplan around it

e.g. if you are energy starved just put a low cp rupture on target taht dies fast

[muted jacinth]

elusiveness works with doubt explosion. its programmed to be st

[tropic ocean]

basically same u do with explosive

[spice surge]

But that doesnt mean its worth it for st?

You'd rather have 5cp than 80 energy

[solemn meadow]

fuk me

I goofed

and overwrote is that the correct word? the 3rd garrot

do you guys open with sprint and sprint to zaxa or just shadowstep

[robust cloak]

hey guys, i seem to constantly get myself into the predicament where tb comes off CD and rupture has about 7 seconds left and needs to be refreshed as well, last i checked it's still best to use TB immediately and refresh rupture during the TB window, is that still the play?

also, is there a neat little way to avoid those shitty timers? running SS/sub and my second toxic blade after opener is always falling in this shitty spot

[tropic ocean]

refresh before in pandemic?

or are you using <4 cp rupture ?

[robust cloak]

only my first one in opener - garrote, rupture, garrote

[tropic ocean]

if you refresh inside pandemic you shouldnt run into that issue

alternatively its ok to refresh with 3 cp rupture

but refreshing inside tb is not good

[solemn meadow]

do you guys have your deadly poison

in your plater

[robust cloak]

well the maths lines up perfectly so that refreshing on pandemic will continously line up with toxic blade right?

or just about

[tropic ocean]

idk that but it doesnt happen to me

[cobalt gyro]

Assuming perfect uptime maybe

[robust cloak]

well rupture is 24 seconds and toxic blade is 25 seconds

[solemn meadow]

do I need deadly poison in my plater?

[tropic ocean]

no but its helpful

[cobalt gyro]

Good to know for off targets

You can assume it's always up on main target

[robust cloak]

i have deadly poison in my plates, very useful for making sure you have energy regeneration from other targets that are dotted up

[dark crag]

Base rupture is 24

[robust cloak]

yeah but that also means it should be cast every 24 seconds

[tropic ocean]

no

[dark crag]

Max 5cp full pandemic rupture is 31,2

[tropic ocean]

use pandemic

[robust cloak]

yeah but if you're casting it at 7 seconds (pandemic)

that's still every 24 seconds

[dark crag]

And thats why it aligns very good

[robust cloak]

rupture hits 7 seconds, cast rupture, rupture is now 31 seconds, 24 seconds later you need to cast it again

[tropic ocean]

no

like u refresh it with pandemic

so u can not refresh inside tb

obviously the refresh after tb

is not with high pandemic

idk i never run into this issue

[solemn meadow]

./cast [@Zwudel] Tricks of Trade

does this work?

Zwudel is the palyer

player

[dark crag]

You have to refresh rupture every 24 sec assuming 5cp, once you desync with tb you are in trouble

[tropic ocean]

but you dont refresh with 5cp?

[dark crag]

Sometimes with 4

[tropic ocean]

most of the time*

and sometimes even 3

[robust cloak]

yeah that's what's happening to me, i don't know if it's just an unlucky amount of haste and my globals are aligning poorly but if i play my opener perfectly, my 2nd toxic blade always comes back up with roughly ~7-8 seconds left of rupture

so i'm trying to figure out the best way to avoid this weird synchroizing issue

[visual quartz]

I mean correct me if im wrong, haste has no effect on your gcd or even bleeds.

[dark crag]

Wtf

[solemn meadow]

btw why is it always that they have this stupid design of

Lets make the pools on the ground

[dark crag]

Haste makes bleeds tick faster

[solemn meadow]

the same colors as every other ability in this game

of the boss fight

[dark crag]

Faster bleeds means faster vw

[visual quartz]

yeah isnt it tick faster but the same amount of time on enemy

[spice surge]

It ticks faster, the debuff still lasts the same amount. So you get more ticks

[robust cloak]

haste changes your gcd times though

[dark crag]

Faster vw means faster 7 energy per bleed

[spice surge]

Not for energy classes no

Energy classes have 1s gcd

[dark crag]

Rogue gcd is 1 sec

[visual quartz]

yeah knew haste had no effect on gcd

[robust cloak]

oh i didn't know that one

ah spell haste right, i just googled it

[visual quartz]

believe its all melee chars cannot go below 1sec gcd

[spice surge]

Except vendetta which can for some reason 😄 😄

[dark crag]

Only the newly added dps cds sometimes scale with haste

[robust cloak]

do you guys mind if i just log myself hitting a dummy real quick and show you what's going on? might be easier

[cobalt gyro]

you basically want your dots to have more than 9 seconds remaining when you use TB

since you want to be starting TB with full energy and ending TB with 0.

refreshing inside TB is a loss, id eally you're only casting mut + envs inside it

[robust cloak]

perhaps i'm better off refreshing and just casting TB afterwards at 0 cp?

[tropic ocean]

you need/want to preplan your tb window

so u can get at least 2 envenom in

[dark crag]

Between tb windows you have no reason to go 0 energy

[tropic ocean]

which in worst case means 4x mutilate 2x envenom

[cobalt gyro]

you want to aim for 3x env inside tb

obviously that's a bit rng but yeah

[dark crag]

2 is minimum

Everything less is major bad play

Tb env mut env mut env are 5 gcds in a 9 sec window, add more muts with bad crit luck

[solemn meadow]

Anyone has a good vid on m jaina for assa rogue?

I saw one guy but he explained the boss instead of explaining how you should play

[robust cloak]

what haste are you guys running at for single target?

[tropic ocean]

im at 23 unbuf

unbuff

[cobalt gyro]

something i definitely find myself doing in jaina, tho, is refreshing early a lot

[dark crag]

P3 jaina is when fight starts, everything prior is just to annoy you

[solemn meadow]

ye

how do you open

on jaina

on p3

[robust cloak]

my stat weights are garbage unfortunately, tb>env>mut>mut>env>mut>mut>env from full energy only just fits into my tb window haha

last global of that has to wait on energy and only just sneaks in

[tropic ocean]

@solemn meadow the same you open

on begin

@robust cloak are you playing ma?

[robust cloak]

subterfuge

[tropic ocean]

within vendetta u should fit 3 envenom into tb

without 2 is fine

its rng

[cobalt gyro]

getting 3 is ez if you start TB with 5

but that's rng too

[robust cloak]

yeah vendetta tb is easy 3

outside of vendetta i need to start with 4/5 cp and have basically capped energy

[tropic ocean]

its rng

cuz u dont wanna mutilate when u have 4 cp so

either crit or not

[hollow stone]

Wait, sin has rng? I thought that was just OL

[royal lantern]

well

crits

[hollow stone]

And dd procs

[royal lantern]

tbf, you dont really play around getting crits, except with MA where they are more or less guranteed

[hollow stone]

And poison procs just in general

[cobalt gyro]

Ya, it's crits mostly

[robust cloak]

what mastery % are you guys running?

[hollow stone]

Im not being serious. Hella rng in sin

[cobalt gyro]

You get the same amount of muts between TBs

[royal lantern]

you play with DD by using mulitate with the envenom buff tbh

[hollow stone]

And i laugh at people who say there isnt

[royal lantern]

eh, not more rng then other classes

or do you call frost mage rng cus it needs procs too?

[hollow stone]

Frmage w glacial builds is def rng

[royal lantern]

a class with 0 procs would be boring as hell cus it would always be the same

[tropic ocean]

490%

40

[robust cloak]

that's what i'm at as well but only 19% haste which feels low

[hollow stone]

19 haste is perfect imo

For raiding

[robust cloak]

have 4 x 425 pieces with vers/mast, and 3 of those have sockets haha

[hollow stone]

You would still need to execute properly @royal lantern but agreed

[tropic ocean]

well its not an opinion thing

im at 25% haste rn

and sim tells me

get haste

[dark crag]

Sub is rng less outside sht and that is predictable rng

[hollow stone]

I wasnt saying more haste would be bad. But at 19 haste, the spec plays perfectly fine

[royal lantern]

haste does almost too much stuff for sin in bfa

[dark crag]

First time it does

[robust cloak]

i just feel energy starved pretty often at 19%

am i just pressing too many buttons while TB isn't active?

[royal lantern]

legion haste

lul

[hollow stone]

Yup

[noble tinsel]

Hey guys I’ve taken to playing my rogue after tiring of my warlock this tier. Playing lock, I thought I had a good grasp of pandemic mechanic, which is why I’m confused that the Ravenholdt sin guide specifies a few times to cast Garrote back to back, or garr>rupture>garrote. I’m assuming this is for ST, too? Why would you refresh garrote after just two globals?

[spice surge]

You're not supposed to cast spells every gcd as assa

[robust cloak]

osarn that is to get maximum uptime on garrote effected by subterfuge

[hollow stone]

*with ss trait(s)

[cobalt gyro]

as long as you're not capping energy

you're not losing any damage by waiting

[hollow stone]

Or cps. Or dropping bleeds

[dark crag]

Capping energy and wasting many cp are the two big no no's of rogue

[royal lantern]

or not staying in melee range

you forgot that ;P

[hollow stone]

Lol

[royal lantern]

white hits are stronk

[hollow stone]

Yea. Not autoing is bad

[tropic ocean]

@cobalt gyro thx

overcapping to start tb iwth 5 cp

is actually good

[robust cloak]

i'm definitely not bad at capping energy and wasting cp, definitely could be an issue of using too many resouirces though

too many resources when it's not necessary*

[cobalt gyro]

overcapping CP yes

not energy tho

[dark crag]

Assa can't avoid wasting cps some times

[noble tinsel]

@robust cloak Ahh, so casting garrote one last time before the 3 sec sub window is up, right? Just to refresh the dot at buffed dmg for the full 18 sec duration then?

[hollow stone]

It pandemics

[dark crag]

G r g with subter opening

[hollow stone]

So it would be 18 - 1 gcd + 6 so its like 23 sec instead of 18 which nets the most dmg per gcd/energy

[robust cloak]

plus the 2 seconds it's ticks before you reapply it

[hollow stone]

Right

[dark crag]

You also let empowered garottes fully run off

[robust cloak]

it also leaves you at 3 cp which is perfect for vendetta into TB

[tropic ocean]

@cobalt gyro ofc cp

[noble tinsel]

I see, thanks for explaining that

[robust cloak]

so basically after a TB window i should be leaning more towards not casting anything while my energy catches back up right?

[cobalt gyro]

like, here's my best jaina pull from last night

https://i.imgur.com/9aoUNsM.png

[robust cloak]

unless i need to refreshj a dot

[cobalt gyro]

you can see i sit around just under 100 energy

and pool a bit for TB windows

[hollow stone]

Usually, based on my experience. If you refresh dots before tb, then you can do what you said. But if you dont, youll need to reup your dots and then pool

[cobalt gyro]

you want more than 9 seconds on each dot going into TB

[hollow stone]

The goal (outside of tb and inside) is for all your muts to be within env buff time. Not actually achievable. But thats the logic behind pooling outside of pooling for tb windows

[cobalt gyro]

because if it's at or less than 9, you'll either have to refresh inside TB

or TB will end, with 0 nrg, 0 cp, and can't reapply

[dark crag]

You have like 4 cp, pool a bit energy, finish with envenom, build cp while env/ep are up and pool again outside tb windows

Or refresh rupture

[hollow stone]

Tldr. Hope you like quick mental math

[robust cloak]

eb luhmi?

[hollow stone]

He means ep

Elaborate planning

[dark crag]

Ep

[robust cloak]

ah ofc

[dark crag]

I spammed too much fok

[robust cloak]

so i spend a lot of time pooling and using the occasional mutilate when i'm getting higher

which i'm guessing is super backwards

i should be using envenom, building and then pooling at high CP

[dark crag]

Kind of

[robust cloak]

this is from last night btw - can absolutely see the difference, definitely keeping my energy far too low

[dark crag]

Inside env and ep you have higher chances to proc dd, if you have the trait

[hollow stone]

Yea. So. Assuming dots are good, thats ideal. You get to 4-5cp and ready to env. Then pool. Then env. Then m m env (or m env if you get that crit). And then ride that env buff and try to mut in env buff for better chance at dd procs (like luhmi said"

[robust cloak]

yeah i'm running 2 x SS, 2 x DD, 1 x NP and 1 x TC

[tropic ocean]

is that jaina?

[hollow stone]

It will look similar to "no nrg", then 120-140 nrg, then no nrg again blah blah

[robust cloak]

oh god no lmao grong, 3/9m scrub tryna be gud

[hollow stone]

This is optimization tho, which sounds like where youre at

[tropic ocean]

ah ok cuz i was wondering 2 ss 😄

[robust cloak]

i was 2 x np instead but 2 x ss started simming higher

[hollow stone]

Basics are to focus on keeping both bleeds up, using tb on cd. Then you work on these pooling mini-games we play

[dark crag]

With ma 2 np instead of the 2ss probably sims even higher

[robust cloak]

definitely try and optimize more than most at the 3/9m level

yeah my MA build sims like a bunch higher

i'm raid leading though and SS/sub is second nature so i just stick to it so i can call

[dark crag]

With my gear 3dd 3np sim higher with subter than any ss somehow

[hollow stone]

Ss is good for grong prog if youre comp struggles w the adds. Nothing wrong with ss for grong

[opal minnow]

SS is good for grong/jadefire/rhasta

[dark crag]

Vanish ss into grong and adds 👌

[opal minnow]

but if you're raidleading and its easy,i'd do it all imo

[cobalt gyro]

tbh sin rogue isn't a bad spec to raid lead from

but if i had to pick i'd probably go like

mage or bm hunter

lmao

[robust cloak]

i tried playing mage because i hated leading from melee

just wanted to better vantage point

i played gspike frost for a while and the rng sent me mental lmao

[opal minnow]

raid leading rhasta as rogue made me want to shake a baby

[dark crag]

Bm is probably the best spec to raidlead

[untold current]

OMG @cobalt gyro Copying to post in mage/hunter discords for REE

[cobalt gyro]

wat

[robust cloak]

lmao

[cobalt gyro]

the vantage point and relative simplicity makes them ideal

there's literally a build for frost mage right now

[untold current]

too late now

[cobalt gyro]

that is literally

frostbolt

[untold current]

prepare yourself

[cobalt gyro]

x5

spike

[robust cloak]

must admit though, didn't occur to me at all that DD would be effected by the env buff

[dark crag]

Dd happens when both muti hits proc poisons

[robust cloak]

yeah

[dark crag]

Env boosts poison proc rate

[robust cloak]

have had it on my gear and just kinda forgotten about it since i put it on as i was just like "oh cool, muti will occasionally do more damage"

i mean i get it now i just never did yakno

bit of a light bulb moment for me

[dark crag]

Assa azerite are not the complex ones but overall a good source of dmg

[robust cloak]

Do you guys track envenom buff?

[untold current]

I do yes

[dark crag]

I track most things

[spice surge]

I do but thats mostly a remnant from previous expansions, i would not say its very necessary to track envenom right now

Its very rare that knowing if envenom is up impacts your decision

[dark crag]

Pre legion the env buff was the window

[robust cloak]

It'll be more be about getting into the routine of mutilating during the window

[dark crag]

Wotlk icc, env mut mut env mut mut

[cobalt gyro]

pretty much out side of TB you just env to spends cp

so

[robust cloak]

Itll help me break the cycle of poor times to build/spend/pool

Well hopefully anyway

what about elaborate planning? any benefit in tracking that or trying to keep it up?

[untold current]

same with envenom

I track it

[cobalt gyro]

you only really care about that during your cooldown windows

[tropic ocean]

tracking envenom wotn matter

[dark crag]

Tracking yes, but don't try to play around it

[solemn meadow]

for pandemic garrote

can I just instantly refresh?

[dark crag]

Yes

[solemn meadow]

like on cabal just garrote garrote zax

and then shadowstep

[dark crag]

In the opener?

[solemn meadow]

or is it really more worth to garrote zax then fatul then shadow on zax?

ye

to get longer garrote

[tropic ocean]

i mean

[robust cloak]

you guys are a bunch of champions btw

[tropic ocean]

envenom buff wont really impact your rotational decisions

[dark crag]

I tricks the range tank and g the speaker step to other and gg

[solemn meadow]

hmm ok

but do you not have longer garrotes if you do g switch g switch g?

like you pandemic it later

[dark crag]

Our range tank needs a bit to kite boss to the other

In reality yes

[robust cloak]

is taking an EB trait worth it for opulence?

[solemn meadow]

probably

if you want to pad dmg

like the adds dont really matter as mechanic

[real bay]

not really worth

[robust cloak]

we only saw p2 for the first time last night so haven't been sure, i guess it's probably only worth if we struggle killing the adds hey

which i mean, shouldn't be a thing

[distant lava]

as long as you have 2 /3 big aoe dps

adds don't matter

[real bay]

just fok and pump on boss

[robust cloak]

got 2 frost mages, couple dh and a couple ret paladins haha i think we'll be aight

[real bay]

they do die quite fast if you manage to get crit buff for them and later with opals stacked

only the first wave is harder

imo

[robust cloak]

yeah we're only running 1 topaz and trying to line that up with first adds, lust for the 2nd

[real bay]

we have like 4

sounds very few

[robust cloak]

we only really have 1 ranged dps that'll likely be able to line it up with an add wave

i mean, brain power wise

[distant lava]

i just press KS

[robust cloak]

lol so yeah, just changing my mindset from pool, build, spend, pool to build pool spend build has honestly added like 3k dps just standing here whacking this dummy

[austere badger]

can rogues still cloak chilling tough on mythic jaina?

[spice surge]

The exploit?

No

[austere badger]

they still get stacks but it does no damage

ah damn

[muted jacinth]

the logs that had it became invalid. at least when I checked essence logs back then they werent ranked

[bleak spoke]

@robust cloak if you hold blade rush for first add spawn and flurry right before hand you’ll never be starved and you’ll giga blast

[rigid mango]

assa, blade rush?

[bleak spoke]

Oh

I’m fucking confused

[rigid mango]

Same

[bleak spoke]

Spam fok and you win

[rigid mango]

yes

do that

agree

[bleak spoke]

Can put two ruptures out and you have 35 e/global

Other than dots on boss

I want to play a giga pad on that fight with eb tbh seems fun

Like run 3 ss 3 eb exsang

[rigid mango]

for what?

[bleak spoke]

For fun

[rigid mango]

for what fights

or m+

i'm also confused

[bleak spoke]

Exsang lines with first add spawn and next vend lines with second

We were talking about opulence

[rigid mango]

ah

ok

ye 3 Eb on opu would be funny

[bleak spoke]

Like I think you can get a r1 log doing that actually

[cobalt gyro]

ive tried it

[bleak spoke]

Cuz exsang bursts higher than ma theoretically

[rigid mango]

honestly

i dunno

p1 is how long?

idk

but doubt playing w out 3 traits

for that long is worth it, dunno tho

[bleak spoke]

Yeh idk if you get nice swaps you win anyway though

@harsh sphinx has the most giga log

Playing ma

[harsh sphinx]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/BnLbgmTwVAhWJrx4#fight=22&type=damage-done&phase=1 ez swaps

[rigid mango]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/vb93TWptVkGF7Dzd#fight=8&type=damage-done did same dmg just 4 ilvls lower

jesus my kill was an entire minute longer

[late plinth]

Anyone wanna look at my log to see what im doing wrong besides my traits? 😃 https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/bMtC8dWPcJk3THy9#fight=19&type=damage-done&source=6

[harsh sphinx]

ya that opp dmg at the end is girthy. phase 1 was gigapump though

[rigid mango]

still didn't outdmg outlaw

[harsh sphinx]

if we ever reclear i'm going outlaw lol

[rigid mango]

@late plinth you missed 2, nearly 3 TB casts if I see correctly

[late plinth]

yeah i know, i have some issues regarding TB, feels liek im holding it/ pooling weird with it

[rigid mango]

well TB is sorta a main thing

[late plinth]

should i just cast it on cd and skip getting 4 cbs then TB to do as many envs as possible?

[rigid mango]

you should cast it on CD

but u should be pooling before

You just have to learn and play aroudn it

the timings of your bleeds falling off and TB coming off cd is annoying

sin is mostly about predicting and seeing what's gonna happen soon

and playing around it

[late plinth]

okey, i recently got back and used exsang for the most of my time

[rigid mango]

Yeah I mean it's takes time to get used to

and is one of the big skill checks so

Possibly a bit higher garrote uptime

but that's just about hitting garrote as soon as u swap to add

just b4

same for rupture

[late plinth]

so i should use TB when i got 4 cbsto try do as manny envs as possible without waiting on it to much?

[rigid mango]

You'd like to put yourself in a situation where you can comfortably fit

2

and if crits allow it, 3

Thing is

You need to be pooling/setting this all up

BEFORE TB comes off cd

[robust cloak]

isn't tb best used at 3cp so that the potential extra cp from a crit isn't wasted as well?

[rigid mango]

since you want to be casting it on cd, otherwise you get like you did, a loss of 2x TB'sm during a fight

[robust cloak]

in a best case scenario

[rigid mango]

I mean yeah, I guess

Dunno actually

might be better to use at 4 since even if it crits u only lose 1 cp

honestly dunno

[robust cloak]

i mean, splitting the tiniest of hairs for something really not in our control anyway

[rigid mango]

ye ig

I just dunno if it's actually better or not, shouldn't matter a lot either way

[hollow stone]

Just to be an ass... best case scenario would be to tb at 3 and crit with tb :p

[rigid mango]

yah but is it better to use it at 3 or 4

in general

[tribal marlin]

The more restriction you add to the use of your spell the best chance you have to loose some dps

[rigid mango]

4 means u get a 5 cp env each time but u can waste 1 cp if it crits, and 3 means u only get a 4 cp, but 5 if it crits

[tribal marlin]

But if you try to apply that rule, you may delay it for multiple globals

maybe only 1 or 2 but you can end up loosing casts

[rigid mango]

Don't think I'm following atleast

[civic palm]

What's goin on in here > _>

[rigid mango]

Nothing, really

[cobalt gyro]

You don't account for crits when you use a spell

Otherwise we'd never mutilate at 3 CP

[rigid mango]

so pref use tb at 4?

[civic palm]

Sounds like fun.

[rigid mango]

or 3

[civic palm]

or 5.

[cobalt gyro]

4 or 5

[civic palm]

or 6 even if you're a weirdo.

[rigid mango]

It's a pure min max thing that matters very little

[civic palm]

It's a min/max thing that doesn't actually net you anything.

IIRC.

Other than thinking too much about it.

[cobalt gyro]

If you wanted pure min max

[rigid mango]

I mean

[tribal marlin]

Anyway you should be pooling outside of TB following the rule "2 Mutilate into 1 EP, then pooling to 120-150 repeat" if you are doing this correctly you will most of the time use TB at 4 or 5 cp

[rigid mango]

if you use it at 3

[civic palm]

I saved 4CP that couldn't be used better.

yay

[rigid mango]

and it crits

you've saved a cp

[cobalt gyro]

If you had MA, and a crit proc putting you at 100% crit

[rigid mango]

compared to using it at 4

[cobalt gyro]

Then probably, sure.

[harsh sphinx]

why would you not TB at 5 though, waste energy on envenom then TB?

[rigid mango]

I mean this isn't an argument about pooling or anything

[harsh sphinx]

ah i see

[rigid mango]

I'm just wondering down to the smallest detail, if it's better to use at 3 or 4

In general, even though it won't actually impact how I play

[civic palm]

Doesn't matter, IIRC.

[rigid mango]

I mean it must, atleats at a miniscule level

[cobalt gyro]

It being used on cooldown or not probably matters more

[rigid mango]

Yeah ofc

[civic palm]

Your CP don't roll over and holding a 25sec CD is worse.

[rigid mango]

I mean this isn't to be applied to an actual situation

[civic palm]

Course.

[rigid mango]

don't think of it like that

think of it in a vacuum

Either 3 or 4, which is technically the best

[civic palm]

4

[rigid mango]

But why

[civic palm]

Because your crit isn't 100%

[rigid mango]

Not doubting

would like to hear reasoning

[civic palm]

and finishing at max CP is better than finishing at a lesser CP.

[rigid mango]

I also agree with 4 just wanna confirm w myslef tbh

yah

agree

This just spurred from someone elses comment

[civic palm]

If you had 100% crit then 3 and 4 and 5 are the same.

[rigid mango]

Yeah obv

[civic palm]

Losing CP for SIN isn't as bad as OTL as you have more control as OTL.

[rigid mango]

yeye i get it

[tribal marlin]

Well if you want the real best use of Toxic Blade here it is : Use toxic blade on cooldown. It is higly probable that any other rule you try to apply will end up being a loss

[rigid mango]

pls

this isn't the argument

I'm not talking about when to use it time wise

this is a pure min max question about usage on 3 or 4 in a situation that doesn't exist

That won't ever impact how I play

I know how to use tb, you don't need to keep on saying the same thing again, thanks.

http://prntscr.com/nmlw0d http://prntscr.com/nmlw1p

That is why I even brought it up in the first place.

[tribal marlin]

Well I'm sorry then because I don't understand the point of the all thing, since you might use it at 3 or 4 or even 1 or 5

depending on what amount of cp you have when it comes off cooldown :3

[rigid mango]

Dufe

Just

Idk

You presumably don't understand what I tried to ask, the others did

I got my answer, let's move on

[cobalt gyro]

I said rhe situation it'd be better in idk

The*

[hollow stone]

Lol....

Does env dmg scale linearly with the number of cps used? For ease of explaining: 1cp is 100, 2 is 200, 3 is 300 and so on (obv numbers are made up to show what i mean)

Cause if the answer is yes. Then 3 or 4 wouldnt matter

It would be equal

[spice surge]

It does

But the energy cost doesnt, which means that its more efficient the more points you use it with

[hollow stone]

Thats a good point too

So at 4 would be just ever so slightly better

[solemn meadow]

Where can I remove the silence from garrote in plater?

[cobalt pelican]

think you'd have to change the buff filter from automatic to manual under buff tracking, then add things you want to see

on automatic i THINK it just uses blizzards aura filter

[solemn meadow]

or is there a way to highlight specific auras?

like I want rupture and garrot to be highlighted so I can track it easier

probably Buff Special?

[cobalt pelican]

buff special is for cc by default, i think highlighting normal auras would have to be a script

and scripts are beyond my knowledge cause i am idiota

[solemn meadow]

I see

if I add them to special

will it track other rogues aswell?

Hopefully not

[cobalt pelican]

it will, yeah

[solemn meadow]

crap

[civic palm]

Oh man I sure could use some shoulders today with an SS on them for Cabal.

just ask, I guess

[frozen karma]

is Lurker's Insidious Gift really that good for us? Bloodmallet has it scored really high. I just got a 410 one and simmed it but it was a dps loss, Seems kinda weird

[spice surge]

Yes, you probably simmed with 2 on-use trinkets

Its extremly strong

[frozen karma]

Yeah I did actually

Have galecaller in the second slot

can I use both or is there an issue somehow?

[spice surge]

Whenever you use 1 on-use trinket you put the other one on a 20s cd

So having two is often far from the best

[frozen karma]

I see, thanks

[fathom echo]

What’s the best Azerite setup for m+ guys 3 x SS and EB ?

[bleak spoke]

@cobalt gyro so close yet so cigar https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/v6WufCLFXxUeY43tDVK1xe

when better gloves zzz

[meager nebula]

have you tried getting more sockets

[bleak spoke]

one day i aspire to be @round harbor

[civic palm]

and 3 more item levels.

Loser.

[meager nebula]

Unless you have 16 sockets you aren't allowed to post your sim anymore @bleak spoke

[harsh sphinx]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7jyvEYuL9bbTHWsLn4Wner

[bleak spoke]

that's hot

[harsh sphinx]

you got me beat by 7 now though

[meager nebula]

do sin players get more sockets or something

this is ridiculous

[harsh sphinx]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4wqhq45KXQUCB5HVNZxooC

[visual mesa]

I had 11 sockets in my gear at some point, only 9 now unlucky

[harsh sphinx]

down to 6 or something with my law setup, think your onto something @meager nebula

[meager nebula]

play the better spec get rewarded, seems good

[cobalt gyro]

@bleak spoke so like, no toxic but

how do you have this many sockets

but sim less

[harsh sphinx]

ouch

[meager nebula]

he ain't got no 425 kimbul

with a socket

[harsh sphinx]

doesn't even have zulduzar set sims higher than me, 420 dagger ftw

[bleak spoke]

@cobalt gyro i think trech is an issue, as well as the jadefire shoulders in general

no set bonus

[harsh sphinx]

if you got the goraks https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3tts1V34JYt9JYYUVLQ369 kinda late though

[hollow jungle]

Alright boys. Just killed the Jaina...how the fuck did I parse 96 on boss damage but 62 on overall damage for ass rogue. Wtf yall padding on lol

[cobalt gyro]

ice blocks

trying 1x shrouded in jaina

[hollow jungle]

Our kill pull was legit 98 execution....we didnt get a single block, hate where padding comes from others failure.

I was curious why all the Chinese ran outlaw rogues...makes sense

[cobalt pelican]

probably mostly just the frozen sieges in p1 and you're probably not doing much dmg to the ordinances

and the the ele, i guess

[tribal marlin]

Padding is always a failure anyway

I don't like padding -) I like to come on wednesday and clean BoD afap so I can go to bed faster.

[bleak spoke]

@harsh sphinx if only I didn’t get 5 shoulders of sanguine monstrosity I could have purchased gorak specifically

Also 1 less pistoleers

[harsh sphinx]

yikes, i had bad dreams about getting those. luckily they never came to pass

[bleak spoke]

If I went 2 random and engi thenall specific I think I’d have gorak and kr and ceph cuz ceph was my first random

Setup would literally be better than it is now for both specs

I think next tier I’m gonna buy chest shoulders then just save unless it’s literally unusable

[harsh sphinx]

kept getting spymasters and ceph, gamblings complete though feelsgood

having the 1 ttk just feels really nice though, going back to none for a bit didn't feel good

[cobalt gyro]

can you silence the elemental in m jaina

probs not but i'm gonna ask

[meager nebula]

Silence it? It's immune to everything but interrupts isn't it

[cobalt gyro]

yea

with garrote

[meager nebula]

Doubt it works

[still sky]

It doesn’t

[cobalt gyro]

ok shrouded is definitely the fucking play for jaina tho

https://i.imgur.com/wFHe5dD.png

@meager nebula

99% on wipes

[meager nebula]

Okay but

Have you tried not wiping

[cobalt gyro]

[meager nebula]

[bleak spoke]

@cobalt gyro told you it felt good!

[cobalt gyro]

it's not just feeling good

[bleak spoke]

funnily enough i stopped playing it tonight

we're pushing it into p2 on my second ma vendetta

like right before it ends

consistent p1s https://i.imgur.com/DrjeasE.png

[real bay]

[peak saffron]

logs disagree with "shrouded is definitely the fucking play"

[cobalt gyro]

considering i was getting 99%

[cobalt gyro]

Isn't that the life

[bronze kelp]

99% on a wipe is not 99% on a kill 😉

[peak saffron]

yeah that was more my point. not to shit on your parse or your ability, but kill logs suggest that shrouded and subterfuge are not the play

[tropic ocean]

@cobalt gyro your dmg will dunk some due to movement when ray comes

(and after vendetta usage 😉 )

[cobalt pelican]

i always thought wipe parses use the like compare log thing rather than the full parse list

no idea actually, it's the only thing that i can think of that explains s ome of the fuckery with them though

[tropic ocean]

afaik it doesn't compare wipe vs wipe

but obviously wipe logs will be better in some cases, e.g. if you wipe straight after your vendetta ends before movement inc

your dps will be high

[cobalt pelican]

nah but it's not even just as simple as that

i have 98% wipe logs at 23k dps and i killed at 24.8 or something and got 96

no idea what the numbers are actually based on, to be honest

[tropic ocean]

log dps, or details dps?

[cobalt pelican]

log dps

[tropic ocean]

on jaina?

[cobalt pelican]

roger d odger

unless it's literally just the amount of kill logs that piled up while i was busy wiping i'm not sure

[tropic ocean]

in ur log u can see

if you hover over the percentile

against how many others you were listed

but 24,8k should be 99%

so idk

[cobalt pelican]

25.6 to 24.7, maybe?

[tropic ocean]

25.6 is almost top 100 log

on jaina