neon ice
The only thing I have a little problem with is that it doesn't have aoe
#assassination
shy dust
Rogue is a great class for M+ has two viable specs with Outlaw being stronger than Assassinatikn
bleak spoke
@neon ice no aoe on any of the three specs until level 58 when you get fok blade flurry and shuriken storm
levelling is kinda miserable
cobalt meadow
!wa
civic palm
MOROES YOU LAZY BOT
he might be restarting
cobalt meadow
i'll just go dig it up lol
vast forum
that one looks amazing
civic palm
0% chance that procs off AoE targets > _>
solid nova
Randomly procs on a sewer rat F
vast forum
LULW
solid nova
That looks actually insane
vast forum
looks fun at least
i reckon taking breaks for 1st year of an expansion is great
might start that routine
gives them time to figure shit out
rigid mango
Aww man now I'm pumped for 8.2
Those look so cool
How many of those type of things are there gonna be per spec?
Guessing some neutral too
rigid mango
Well whenever you feel like being helpful 😠
modest badge
running 3 twist 3 EB be any good vers 3 shroud 3 eb?
shy dust
Where did you go to get the essences btw?
is that where the quest line starts?
oh aight
royal lantern
what the fuuck
the venddeta power seems strong?
but fucks with the timers :c
thats like, really strong holy shit
atleast if it doesnt proc on a really bad moment
muted jacinth
id imagine nothing personal will proc off it too?
civic palm
That would make sense.
It having the 20s duration makes sense but only due to poor programming.
muted jacinth
ill have to download the ptr later
civic palm
Should get both.
muted jacinth
- np energy. thatll be cool
civic palm
and I see that NP is written and coded to be 20 seconds, though it should probably be "for the duration of Vendetta" > _>"
muted jacinth
oh how i miss the 50% uptime on vendetta back in EN ❤
marble hemlock
just make sure you dont get killed in the nether. if demons die there, theyre dead for good.
royal lantern
allright, that shit looks strong as hell, but tbh, its pretty boring too^^
nimble tartan
it seems ok for us based on the power level of other class essences
since ours is a st focused one
civic palm
Well, so long it won't proc from FoK.
nimble tartan
others get that thiccie value in all situations
barren helm
Hey guys, im using V.I.G.O.R. and does it matter if im using it at 6 stacks immediatley, or 0,5s before it drops to 5 ?
barren helm
Ye and i cant find out xd
civic palm
So, the trinket is worded as MAINTAIN and not EXTEND.
So I assume you lose the time if you don't use the time.
barren helm
If anything in wow was taht simple xD
civic palm
Most things are, some things are not.
This is easy enough to test at least.
But it sounds like this was designed to wait for the 6th stack, and keep it there with the On Use.
warm parcel
Hey
civic palm
Hey you! 
warm parcel
mhm
civic palm
mmm
strange python
gotta make it look like an "average trait"
so they put random heal in it
that no one cares about
real bay
Oof
marble hemlock
It doesnt matter when you use the trinket @barren helm
It just extendes the stage you're in by adding +6sec to it
So whether you use it right as you hit 6stacks, or when you're about to drop them, you get the same time at 6stacks
barren helm
Ye tested this trinket xd
If you use it immediatly, then after supressed 6s it still counting time to drop
so nice nice
ty @marble hemlock ^>^
warm parcel
civic palm
lol
slender urchin
I lost my only SS trait. Now I have 3x DD, 2x Nothing Personal, 1x Treacherous. This is gonna hurt me in cleave, but sims a high gain in ST
marble hemlock
galecallers, vigor trinket, and the caster trinket from antorus
that gave individual stacks of every s econdary
strange python
got coc trink pogsss
tranquil silo
either of the new bosses worth coining?
turbid oxide
when vision of perfection activates it triggers nothing personal 🤔
civic palm
Ye.
royal lantern
right now it reads like sin is gonna be the best raid spec again lul
red zealot
Would ya rather take the small dps loss and run sub and 1 SS or just maintain MA and run with tradewinds?
royal lantern
deepens on the fight tbh
civic palm
Rather do the thing that does more DMG.
golden relic
When will we have an era of TOS sub again 
red zealot
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jQ75tFwNaacGgVWBSnjCtj T_T I like both MA/Subterfuge but BOD has so many other targets >.<
cobalt gyro
so uh
vision of perfection
has to be BiS
i cast 2 vendettas and it ended yp being up 45% of the time
muted jacinth
how many np traits @cobalt gyro
cobalt gyro
only 2
polar forge
how did u start the quest for that?
cobalt gyro
!wa
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slim socket
guess whats gonna be nerfed
tbh NP proc from necks vendetta is probably bug but this vendetta uptime
slender urchin
If I have 3x Double Dose should I still Mut on 3 targets (like the start of mythic rasta for example)
vestal wren
all essences (as assassination)
cobalt gyro
yeah so assuming the NP thing isn't a bug
when it activates
you get a full 20s of NP
civic palm
NP reads as Vendetta activation.
So there's no bug there.
Though I've a feeling NP might be changed to take account the time of the applied Vendetta.
slim socket
and if you have vendetta from proc and then use it normally it removes proc and apply normal one for 20s
crisp shard
There is no way the traits go live as they are
vestal wren
🤷 its first ptr iteration
civic palm
Yarp.
cobalt gyro
that too
vestal wren
also if everyone has sth that sounds op it might be an equally strong power gain for everyone
cobalt gyro
ya
vestal wren
in the end super op stuff will get nerfed, and everyone gets something exciting (i hope)
hollow jungle
so are we going for anything in CoS boys?
vestal wren
the mastery trinket is nice
hollow jungle
least there is something then i guess lol
subtle lynx
Can you cloak off the suffering stacks from Uu'nat trinket?
civic palm
Nope.
subtle lynx
you can cloak the damage of it though right
civic palm
Yarrr
bleak spoke
that's hot
civic palm
Yeah but then you have more stacks coming out of cloak and your healers are like AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH THAT'S HOT.
cobalt gyro
yes
civic palm
No.
civic palm
Probably won't be.
strange python
all these get released in 8.2?
civic palm
Yes
bleak spoke
hmmm, image of 3:37 fight had 52% uptime
so that's 2 activations of vendetta and you shave 40s off that
so it went off 4 or 5 times roughly
yeh you probably just still use tb on cd
and hope u lucky
cobalt gyro
i'm holding 30k..
bleak spoke
wait which trait makes muti cost 20
dark crag
The lucid dream
civic palm
I mean it's already a bit of a joke > _>
dark crag
Add bl spam muti refresh ep, spam muti
bleak spoke
can you see casts of muti with env buff on
cobalt gyro
i mean, triple DD already does a LOT of damage
bleak spoke
yeh it's normally 2nd in st
cobalt gyro
gonna try with venom rush
civic palm
Imagine me joking about this and then it coming true due to some dumb proc > _>" :3
bleak spoke
yeah that was some weeks ago
when we talked about venom rush LOL
actually notlikethis
civic palm
Yerp.
civic palm
weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
civic palm
Venom Rush already feels similar to that with Vendetta > _>
bleak spoke
dude your EP doesn't go under 1 HELLO
okay that's fair i have no idea how venom rush feels
civic palm
Yeah.
cobalt gyro
i think that might be a viable build
civic palm
Yes.
cobalt gyro
nah
civic palm
MP is only weapon poisons.
cobalt gyro
doees it?
bleak spoke
NO man
civic palm
it should
bleak spoke
not likethis
desert vault
so everyone running 3x eb/ss on Uu'nat? I was just posting in outlaw channel and clueless 😛
cobalt gyro
at least it's not reflected in the tooltip
bleak spoke
but envenom damage?
cobalt gyro
evn isn't
bleak spoke
how about NP
tropic ocean
it only affects your weapon poisons
desert vault
think trading dd/ss for eb/ss on Uu'nat? Seems like it would be good, just pugging it a little so far
cobalt gyro
i'm not sure if i's possible to get to 65 neck on ptr
cobalt gyro
if so, guardian of azeroth might be a good 3rd
old quartz
whats the play now? sin4life or what?
desert vault
on Uu'nat?
civic palm
DD is too strong.
desert vault
just straight ST?
cobalt gyro
or purification
old quartz
lol thats true
civic palm
_>
bleak spoke
@cobalt gyro try 2222111 for talents
old quartz
but outlaw so funzies
dusky jolt
Sin is generally the most consistent spec
cobalt gyro
why
dusky jolt
Both other specs tend to go on one side of the scale too heavily / fight dependant - Sin just floats
bleak spoke
i want to know if you can get an infinite extend on envenom buff
with deeper
and venom rush
like clip envenom other ep if you have to
over*
and use 6 cp rupture so you don't have to cast it much kinda deal
hmm, sustaining 19k on live just clipping envenom with deeper vr
no trinkets no vendetta
bleak spoke
oh boy
cobalt gyro
i think VR + lucid is the play LMAO
bleak spoke
are you trying deeper or is that vig
cobalt gyro
that's vigor
cobalt gyro
what are you running
bleak spoke
talents?
cobalt gyro
essences?
bleak spoke
82% uptime jeeeesus
were you clipping EP or clipping env buff
LOL
LOOK
NO
HANDS
cobalt gyro
red zealot
After I do my farm content with my guild am i allowed to post logs for analysis?
inland nymph
Just how valuable is a shrouded suffocation trait? If I have a 400 piece with SS + <some low priority trait> and a 415 with NP and DD. Should I still run subterfuge and SS?
cobalt gyro
nah
bleak spoke
nope
bleak spoke
DD and NP are very very good
are they no triple op dd np pieces
there* no
like doesn't pvp chest have it
oh what
so ideally the moment vendetta drops off it applies then :^)
polar forge
such a tease
desert vault
anyone know if you can cloak off the buddy stack mechanic in p3 of uu'nat?
bleak spoke
damn 30k sustained is kinda crazy
cobalt gyro
@ what ilevel
bleak spoke
EXCUSE ME
spare flame
Is there any information listed on how strong the non-trinket pieces are from the new raid?
cobalt gyro
also 413
bleak spoke
this is with tox blade vendetta where you get 43k hits right
cobalt gyro
gonna try with the CoC pants
bleak spoke
i wonder if you can actually run crucible trinket and hold a pearl divers for a fakedetta
like pearldivers + tb when it procs
nimble tartan
who gonna run scent of blood on first boss
bleak spoke
do you take EB or is that actually padding
cuz i got me some shoulders of sanguine monstrosity
with sob eb
nimble tartan
there are like some pints where hella adds come u
but u usually kkill with that buff thing
cobalt gyro
ya, getting about the same tisumi
bleak spoke
wait my ptr's ready already
hello
do you need to do anything special to get the improved neck etc
azerokk's then? :^)
opal minnow
with blood?
polar forge
8.2 its live?\
opal minnow
ptr
polar forge
im saying does that go live in 8.2?
sudden brook
latent gazelle
Sin or OL for CoS? or either is good?
dark crag
Goodbye perfectly lining up of vend and vanish
opal minnow
what essence combo's have you tested to far tisumi?
sonic iris
does stealth reduce movement speed
sonic iris
for either specs?
primal gazelle
yup
try the crit buff one with echoing blades
but im guessing u need a group in m+ for that
marble hemlock
i mean theres not much to test with the crit trait
it just lowers the threshold of mobs required to reliably get all 5 echoes, and it boosts echo damage by exactly 35%
you can take your live-numbers right now and just apply those numbers to it
ripe nimbus
so vision of perfection confirmed being nerfed.. lol nothing personal is my top damage hitting dummy for 8 minutes.
17.6% of my damage came from nothing personal. xD
prob because instead of getting 8 second nothing personal with 8 second vend proc u get a full 20 sec nothing personal everytime it procs
seems bugged
golden relic
why do they make shit like this
it goes from 0 to 10 in like 1 patch
steroid lvl shit
ripe nimbus
i mean they still gotta balance this shit.
woeful cipher
anyone have a number for how much damage lurkers insidious gift does over the 30 seconds? is it a trap?
desert vault
p3 of this new boss, it never ends ...
candid mica
desert vault
yeah, 36 hours after the pull 😃
white basalt
Anyone got any rogue specific tips for the first crucible boss?
midnight flower
Don’t die
desert vault
skip it and farm second boss for trinket 😃
I did like 4 pulls on first boss and was like ... yep, Uu'nat please 😃
white basalt
what pieces of gear are good for sin rogues? i took a look but its mainly vers gear and stuff
are the pants with the proc good?
desert vault
I mean it is good, it is far better than a 380 spyglass 😃
rugged jetty
is it better then a 400 plum or 420 spyglass?
white basalt
So boots. And trinket. 2nd boss. But no specific tips regarding cloak that or save CDs for that?
i mean for first boss
im nervous and want to pad
desert vault
not sure on first boss, little you can do on second boss with cloak really, save it for funky beam crossings
white basalt
should i keep bleeds up on boss and add?
desert vault
new mastery trinket better than 400 plum prolly, doubt it will beat 420 spyglass
white basalt
of course on boss but
desert vault
on first boss, yeah I'd say but I only did a few pulls before leaving the group I did
white basalt
apparently its not pug friendly lol
desert vault
second boss I was running a eb/ss piece over dd/ss but second boss is all about p3 DPS race it seems
white basalt
Ok guys, thanks for the info. Ill let you know if i find any rogue specific advice for parsing n stuff 😃
rugged jetty
check logs bro
rugged jetty
on 2nd boss it looks like thats the play with all the adds
desert vault
yeah you can pad hard on adds 2nd boss
desert vault
it is all about p3 DPS I think, that was my struggles in a decent group
I ran one EB to help with some of the adds. Both fights are a giant interupt fest pretty much
white basalt
Damn ive honestly neglected learning outlaw
seems like its biting me in the ass now. oh well. ill learn it for next lockout
ripe nimbus
AoE cleave padding. on a fight with adds u dont have to actually dps down you use a relic.
seems useful
strange python
@rugged jetty rip sub
nimble tartan
ok i did 28k first boss pog
subterfuge with no ss
a
scent poggies https://i.imgur.com/oTSEhaO.png
tepid heron
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atomic saddle
Hey friends, quick question about the new Trinket from CoS. My Assa stat weights are Haste > Mastery > Crit... The trinket should perform better than plumage and dice, according to sims but when I sim my character personally, it performs worse. I thought its because of mastery being bad for me but thats not the case as it is my second highest instead of crit. Any ideas?
midnight flower
Are you using nightly build have they even added the trinket
cold horizon
vision of perfection 
brazen narwhal
This has probably been asked before but is it worth refreshing rupture/garotte outside of pandemic range to make sure they dont go down during a toxic blade window?
atomic saddle
I was using raidbots @midnight flower
hollow jungle
I got trinket at 410. Was a 400 dps upgrade for me
Over socketwd plumage at 400
Mastery trinket that is
lusty saddle
Do the new raidloot from crucible work in pvp?
supple hearth
Yes
light kestrel
Anyone happen to know if the damage component on the legs from CoS is effected by TB?
light kestrel
Figured as much, It wouldn't have changed much outside of lucky procs but, it would've been neat
atomic saddle
how to I select stats on crafted items in raidbots?
I wanna know how much dps upgrade the crafted boots would be
atomic saddle
looking good
wait how does he never take damage on conclave?
he does take damage, why did the stacks not drop?
what is this sorcery
nimble tartan
its only direct damage probably
atomic saddle
lel
nimble tartan
just like how overwhelming power functions
atomic saddle
thats actually dumb because you never get directly hit
nimble tartan
i was trying it out and it felt weird on trash with the speary boys that do that cone continous damage sometimes itd reset my stack and sometimes not
atomic saddle
it says "taking ANY damage"
nimble tartan
well its like
if u get hit by krawgwa
itd probably drop
or maybe if a raptor touches u
or u get targeted by the tiger
atomic saddle
I like how blizzard motivates player to play clean by adding dps gain to playing clean
need more of those
civic palm
That's actually just a trap.
steep reef
atomic saddle
How do I manage to sim my character with crafted boots (haste/mastery)? I cant select any stats on raidbots.com
light kestrel
So, there's eyes along the wall heading to last boss of CoS, interacted with one that gave me 100% increased damage done and let me attack my guildies. I missed Tomb so much, and now it's back!
civic palm
UHHUH
light kestrel
Another guildy found one, and it gave him a 60second fear immunity, the buff was called " Peer less"
cobalt gyro
lmao
autumn night
was just testing on the ptr Nothing Personal feels amazing with Major Power Vision of Perfection passive ( your spells and abelites have a chance to activate Vendetta For 50% of its base duration) when it procs it gives you the Nothing Personal Damage and energy. https://i.imgur.com/bCbbnmP.png
flint jetty
Yeah a bunch of people were testing that along with the lucid dreams minor and were getting some pretty good results
smoky zinc
boots out of crucible any good?
meager nebula
taken from the outlaw chat just now
seems to be pretty good
it was solo doing a heroic cabal fight
tired thistle
So how good is the new trinket off CoS Last boss?
I just rollled a 415 and it seems nice so far
pearl bear
i got called out tonight for taking too much damage, turns out after looking at logs its the new trinket lol
fleet whale
Memory of the lucid dream seems nice for assassination, even if you just use it as a minor essence
tired thistle
yeah i noticed it does alot of Damage
steep obsidian
man i reallllllly hope the mats arent fucked for the new potions i will be so mad if they are
who the hell wants to refarm shit to make a new type of potion or spend a bazillion gold
civic palm
@steep obsidian To make a bazillion gold :3
4G at a time because no one is insane to spend that much money O _O
steep obsidian
i mean making all the shit i have stockpiled essentially worthless sucks
if they did it because they fucked up with the lootable cauldrons at the start of this patch is dumb because eventually that stuff will all et used anyway
harsh sphinx
you test the uptime on the boots? @cobalt gyro
cobalt gyro
depends on the fight
harsh sphinx
procs a decent amount at least from what your noticing
cobalt gyro
can't really use it too effectively on jaina
once you start getting chilled stacks you'll never stack it up again
harsh sphinx
ahh i see. how long have you been locked out for
cobalt gyro
2nd week now
unreal sail
do enchants on main hand vs off hand differ?
nimble tartan
ye i wore it for a few pulls on jaina
and it just legit kept you at 1
from intermission onwards
no bueno
strange python
does it really matter which weapon enchant is on which weapon?
harsh sphinx
huh so just 22 crit
unreal sail
yeah my bad g dollar
nimble tartan
yeah its not worth wearing on jaina where u just haveur own persona lticking dot
i think thats why u wont wear the boots anyways when u wear the trinket
rich crow
Hey guys, changing now to 3dd 2np and no ss how does the playstyle change? besides the opener. Also I see some people still using ep vs ma... I guess sim it but I dont get it
strange python
oh didnt see you asking
nimble tartan
well maybe its worth actually its only like 30 secs every 2 minutes where u wont have any stacks
strange python
i was wondering myself lol
harsh sphinx
personally i love MA, getting all crits on the opener is one of the better feelings in wow atm
unreal sail
like does it matter if i have quick on mainhand and deadly on offhand vs deadly on mainhand and quick on offhand
strange python
That essence aint making it to live servers without a nerf or np nerf
distant lava
Wait it procs NP ?
strange python
Yes itdoes
little forge
No way that goes live
civic palm
PL value will shoot up if it procs enough for OTL.
strange python
Sub doesnt really have a trait that is strong and connected with main dps cd. Sin has np, outlaw has blitz which probably procs during essence
Sub has nothing
Lul
meager nebula
Blitz does proc yes
distant lava
Plus outlaw has more than 60% uptime on rush with it
real bay
lmao that looks a bit on the OP side
distant lava
Not compared to dh with nore than 90% uptime in meta
cobalt meadow
I feel like warrior is gonna be fucking absurd with recklessness too
meager nebula
It's going to be interesting whether these essences make it to patch day or not in their current form
meager nebula
Crazier things have made it to live before
cobalt gyro
release EB
meager nebula
^
real bay
but whatever tbh being op is fun while it lasts
meager nebula
Bonkers that was
Assuming that they don't butcher it, I see that essence being good either way
cobalt gyro
idk, it's strong but it's not like it's a single class only thing
meager nebula
It's a bit scary how much synergy it has with other classes
meager nebula
real bay
what does arms war have, perma warbreaker? Perma BS lmao
cobalt gyro
It feels nice on sub and sin, tbh
harsh sphinx
i remember getting a few zul trys in the few hours before EB got nerf. good stuff
cobalt gyro
Storm/earth/fire
cobalt gyro
I think WW's is kinda weak
Hard to capitalize on it because windwalker is about planning
cobalt gyro
Believe so
meager nebula
Other class discussion to #wow-general please
cobalt gyro
Same, even if those get a bit of a nerf they're still quite fun
stable pine
bleak spoke
@strange python SS is for if your tank lets your stealth :^)
strange python
so not chain pulling?
harsh sphinx
ttk build in motherload is one of my fav to play
strange python
anyone who chain pulls should have a chain pull them straight into the ground
oh okay yeah true
bleak spoke
i mean my ttk setup's called "chain pull on this"
cuz it actually doesn't matter
the playstyle is maintain 4 dots
doesn't have to be garrotes
strange python
I bet u play ma too
strange python
bleak spoke
you play sin for the silence
bleak spoke
hard to silence when only your first garrote silences out of stealth :^)
harsh sphinx
you don't like MA?
harsh sphinx
not in keys 
strange python
ma master poisoner
could go assa but traits are only good for ST, got no fan of knives trait for reaping
crimson tempest
strange python
actually i got 1 EB but its on the same only piece i got wits on so its whatever i guess
this rogue has only been 120 for 2 weeks now so obviously havent had time to get more azerite pieces but man this system feels awful
i dont understand why azerite pieces just wont drop from end of run m+ chests as well
harsh sphinx
your assa sim close to 28k rtb?
bleak spoke
it's 27.4
no blightborne, no set effect @harsh sphinx
MEANWHILE ON PTR https://i.imgur.com/GwB4cZU.png
HELLLOOOOOOOO?
this is with my current gear (except swapped out my trech for another np)
real bay
and then we doubled it -blizz
harsh sphinx
hell ya, i lucked out and got blightborne today, gave up on KR chest
bleak spoke
rogue next to me is also sustaining 40k playign 3SS 3NP exsang
harsh sphinx
rewarded with gorak
real bay
I will never get ceph , should just start saving up now
harsh sphinx
losing sockets though 
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3zkeCRGsDBZQCRgFW2L5YF
bleak spoke
hmm, i think the play with vision of perfection is probably no on use trinkets
vendetta's just too awkward a timer
in the same vein i think MA might be depleted given it doesn't line with vendetta anymore
cobalt gyro
To be fair
I'd imagine you want to hold vendetta until at least the free proc falls off
Maybe not the NP dot but at least the 8s proc
distant lava
you could pandemic the NP dot
although if it procced during your current vendetta that would suck
crystal comet
Hi all, first comment here 😃 I frequently check top parses for Assa and I see basically every single one of them use SS x1+ azerite trait, but my sims claim that using it would net a damage loss for me. Is it possible? Are sims a bit biased towards the trait?
crystal comet
it's light movement. Should I try add cleave?
honest needle
this is my current azerite i been playing outlaw lately but i wanna get bis for assainastion . what should i try to roll for from vendor https://gyazo.com/205a817f80a6097f4398ded268708aef
quasi pewter
its because 5/9 bosses in bod are multi target fights
crystal comet
i never use patchwerk
vestal wren
ss is good in st (there are better ones) and extremely strong in aoe (m+/more bosses/cleave)
quasi pewter
which favour ss trait
vestal wren
the ss trait is just op if seen in general
honest needle
any 1 ?
vestal wren
thats why the majority does not switch it out
even tho there are better traits for pure st
quasi pewter
use droptimizer? @honest needle
honest needle
it only counts if i have cuirrent traits selected
and i dont
i dont wanna pay for reforge
multiple times
since i play outlaw as well
vestal wren
you can use gear compare or top gear if you want to sim how traits peform before learning/respecing them
quasi pewter
then equip your best assa gear and do droptimizer?
vast forum
@crystal comet patchwerk sims are better than light movement for most melee
Assa especially
quasi pewter
you can also edit the simc input manually
honest needle
@quasi pewter like i said i dont want to reforge jjust to do droptimizer
thats y im asking chat
vestal wren
movement fight styles are not good in general, i advice agains using those
quasi pewter
i mean gorak tul is bis for assa
crystal comet
ty fuu, I come from a spellcaster and don't know all tricks for simming rogue properly
vast forum
Also, are we talking m+ or raid, day?
quasi pewter
if you can go mythic 1st boss go for chest
honest needle
moth
both
I wanna kno what my best option is for rolling without having to do rerolling traits just to use droptimizer
im asking whats best to get from 415 vendor
vast forum
Chest probably best
vestal wren
droptimizer uses your equiped gear to estimate what gives you the biggest upgrade (and talents)
quasi pewter
chest or helm yea
vestal wren
so keep that in mind
quasi pewter
since you already have 2 415 chests id go helm maybe
depends on if you can get 1st boss mythic
honest needle
@vestal wren thats why im asking chat i dont want to reforge to assasiantion gear just to use droptimizer
so i was asking if any of the gear i have is bis for assasination and what i should roll from 415 vendor
vestal wren
well you can modify your input string
with the items you want to have equpied/traits you want to have selected
honest needle
ya i got no clue
how to do all that lol
thats y i linked my gear
to see if any 1 can tell by looking
i only have a few 415 pieces
vestal wren
you need to mdify the imput string to what you want
you can just copy gear from bag's and replace one line too and modify it
vestal wren
!azerite
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Azerite Season 2 changes: https://bit.ly/2U86I7o
vestal wren
it tells you what and how many are good in what situation
quasi pewter
it shows ss at bottom in the sims there because it doesnt have subterfuge talented
vestal wren
bloodymallet charts use the default profile talents
distant lava
for SS, there is data with subt
vestal wren
on BM?
distant lava
yeah
vestal wren
!sims
prisma monolithBOT
BfA Simulations:
Herodamage: https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html
distant lava
vestal wren
yes, nice
distant lava
you selected sub in sim ?
tropic ocean
bloodmallet can't calculate ss dmg properly
there was some discussion @ bloodmallet discord
It could but it would be too much work or smth
tl:dr ss is one of best multi-target traits
cobalt gyro
you mean a dot that does 200k per gcd is good when you can spread it? color me surprised
tropic ocean
well not everyone is as smart as you and bloodmallet can be misleading so
vestal wren
i think both hd/bm have downsides
real bay
33k garrote crits on vendetta mob feelsgoodman
tepid ridge
so the apl of simc is a bit fucked up with SS? (as bloodmallet)
obviously it's insane for M+ 2/3T etc but on pure ST?
tropic ocean
it depends on the fight really
double dose gets worse the lower the uptime on boss gets
soft island
with i 11 trait and 2x DD trait you folks would still run SS into m+ right? even tho MA sems better ST?
vast forum
Not even then
soft island
thanks
humble crane
wew got the new trinket, 600 dps increase XD
strange python
Damn. Ye I really want it to. Sucka to drop my Plumage but I think it might be very good! Looks good atleast ;)
humble crane
yeah thats 600 dps over my 400 plumage
humble crane
well 549, still good though
lost sentinel
the mastery trinket?
humble crane
ye
lost sentinel
nice, I actually want that too... I am a fan of SS stacking
strange python
Is the trinket Only Good with SS stacking? Should it not be very strong with DD build aswell? Using it with vendetta
lost tree
can someone tell me how i get a glow effect on my Weakaura when Rupture is about to expire?
vestal wren
you can add a condition for that
lost tree
yea tried it found it aswell buit not working or do i have to reload to activate that?
vestal wren
you probably made a mistake then
just ad a condition for the remaining duration
and the glow
lost tree
405 boots 🤔
royal lantern
because ilvl means much for sin right?
lost tree
😄
royal lantern
with agility as one of the lowest stats
warm drift
Stats are stats 🤷
tropic ocean
dead eye spyglass crit haste boots lul
strange python
I have crit/vers/socket Wrist. And Mastery/Vers/socket feet. Atleast I have socket for 80 haste... but damn I want hast in those two items ;) no vers :P
thick galleon
Would you ever use assa on tyranical from 15 and up or outlaw all the way
cobalt gyro
depends what your team needs
tropic ocean
i never used anything besides assa to 19 20s 😄
cobalt gyro
I asssa every time i can
tropic ocean
dont think it matters unless pushing like 23 24 25 or smth
you can even play sub in 18s 19s
cobalt gyro
sub is still good at what it does
marble hemlock
theres a few dungeons where outlaw definitely has an edge over assa, then theres a few where assa has an edge over outlaw, and generally speaking affixes dont really change that
with the potential exception of explosive, if your tank isnt capable of doing it
lament dove
I usually run 10-12s but I was in a 18 shrine yesterday with my outlaw guildie who is a little better player and is 6 ilevels above me (because me in crit m+ gear) and I almost did the same dmg as him and I felt that I got a lot of control over mob hp with 1 TTK, and also on bosses I usually had the upper hand in ST
so assa felt very good
simple meteor
assa all the way
cosmic pier
does the vigor trinket sim wrong or something? i just cant get it to do good damage in use
bleak spoke
i think shrine's definitely the big assa dungeon now
royal lantern
@cosmic pier well, the trinket is still no gruanteed dmg cus of how crit works, it can start in a bad situation(you pull the boss and you are at 2stacks going down, wich means you have basicly no trinket for a longer time with your cd's) etc.....
bleak spoke
it's a pretty big gain even if you never activate it i think
cosmic pier
well i have 425 socket so id hope so
bleak spoke
but not over other good trinkets
oh 425 socket
jeez
tbh i'd play that over literally anything else in assa m+
reef hornet
So do logs on the conclave fight just not work for Sin Rogues?
I seems to always do about a million dmg over in game on details than what warcraft logs shows
And everyone else in the raid has like a 50k or 100k difference.
cobalt pelican
you're hitting the wrong boss
or, bleeding for energy, i guess
damage against the inactive boss doesn't count for anything
stuck knoll
There's a note that says damage to bosses that heal are excluded
distant lava
we just found a dirty padder
strange python
is there a weakaura that shows how many targets i have rupture on around me?
sage ice
strange python
thank you
fallen bay
what is AOE rotation with SOB ?
do i do rupture on everyting all the time and not using envenom almost if there is 10+ mobs or ?
tropic ocean
On aoe you use rupture only for energy sustain
cosmic pier
for SoB you want ~5 ruptures running
tropic ocean
Your dmg comes by fok/envenom/subterfuge garrotes
marble hemlock
with scent you rupture more than that
6-8, depending on whether they run full duration
only worth it on pulls where the mobs actually last that long tho
and you basically never ever envenom with scent on aoe
humble crane
Yeah I gotta say, the burst off that new trinket is pretty nuts
marble hemlock
its an aoe-build through and through, so youre running CT as well, and just weave in ruptures between CT refreshes
humble crane
my burst went up around 10k from the trinket
fallen bay
lucky you wanted to pug HC normal was pretty easy but HC hard for pug
lone junco
what is hc normal vs hc hard?
what is Hc anyway
like flex raid?
its literally Normal Heroic or Mythic
strange python
They did the mastery at 50% of the value from the ptr and it still Sims that high?
worldly iron
@lone junco I believe that sentence just lacks punctuation, like "lucky you, wanted to pug HC. Normal was pretty easy but HC was hard for pug"
hc hard is ignoring mechanics 
lone junco
thats why my heal parses are so good.
vestal wren
not hc crucible tho
lone junco
our melee ignore all mechanics.
quick wren
how Good is the new trinket? worth it to Pump 7 rerolltokens on it?
lone junco
neat
quick wren
oma
robust light
fuck me maaan why is this on my dh not rogue 😦
high siren
unlucky i guess
strange python
And those Sims are the new ones for the live trinket with like 480 mastery?
Instead of the 900 we saw last week
cobalt pelican
wowhead tooltips are a bit wonky
and show ~444 on 425
but that happens on a lot of items
cobalt pelican
having a trinket that gives you half the secondary of plumage and kills you if you have it on for longer than plumage sounds lkie a good time
scenic nacelle
So what you’re saying is it’s the same trinket but with a bigger drawback
vestal wren
i got this one in weekly chest
but haste is so bad on sub
i think the game is telling me to play sin
i only get haste items lately
golden relic
imagine getting an upgrade in weekly
distant lava
Come to outlaw that back good for raid and mplus
twin kite
Hey, what's jainaMM best sim option?
mossy ferry
So for MA/TB the guide indicates to do Vendetta -> Vanish -> Toxic Blade in the opener, yet WoWAnalyzer marks a TB cast during Master Assassin as a "bad cast". Which is correct?
rocky ruin
@vestal wren are you playing sub atm?
vestal wren
yes
spice surge
@mossy ferry Wow analyzer isnt properly supported for assa, i wouldnt recommend it
hollow stone
@mossy ferry i prefer g m r m vend tb van env m (hopefully 4cp) env (or m if not 4cp). Your placement of tb in the opener isnt going to make or break a fight, though
mossy ferry
Thanks guys
stuck knoll
@twin kite there's no point in simming a specific fight just use the normal config for ST and it should be fine
If you were desperate you can write a fightstyle in simc
light jacinth
@hasty zodiac
stuck knoll
@light jacinth not the place
light jacinth
wooden ether
@light jacinth hey nibren big fan 🙂
twin kite
@stuck knoll okay thx
stuck knoll
@fast nacelle that's got nothing to do with sin please take it to #wow-general
lost tree
!wa
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hasty brook
slender urchin
What would you do: I can respec my azerite to get SS back. I lose about 200 ST in sims, but gain that flexibility of garrote spread. Currently we clear 6/9M and find Rasta rough without SS and sub
cobalt pelican
for 1ss or 3?
generally i'd be comfortable losing 200st for 2-3 ss but for 1 it's a bit rough
royal lantern
some people here allready have the shiny new trinket?
tawdry rune
Anyone know any good video guides?
real bay
but how much pure st is there 🤔 if you want to be flexible then SS
tawdry rune
On assassination rogue)
royal lantern
most fights in this tier are pure st for melee @real bay
unless you tell me you need 2-3x SS for the stuff like the rastakhan adds, but then you have a different problem
real bay
not like you need pure st talents either, so the point isnt very valid
vast forum
i got shiny new trinket 410 from normal
well not me but a boomie guildie who feeds me trinkets all the time by being feral lootspec
i have a 410 spyglass from him as well 😄
stuck knoll
@tawdry rune I think Dratnos has some good assassination guides
royal lantern
?in most fights you either dont touch the adds, they die by themself, or you are not allowed too touch them so that priest/locks/boomies can boost the st dmg
tawdry rune
@stuck knoll ty sir
royal lantern
there are 0 fights where i thought that going full st was bad
vast forum
JFM is the only fight where 3xSS is absolutely superior
stuck knoll
^
vast forum
and grong if you can garrote both adds and boss consistently
strange python
hey @vestal wren check this weekly tho https://i.gyazo.com/84c58225bc4ff73acaf9aff261547ef0.png
royal lantern
but in most teams you dont want both adds too die fast
languid ore
Sounds like padding on grong
stuck knoll
It's not like Outlaw where wits improves ST it's gonna just be for logs if you switch it up
vestal wren
haste :/
vestal wren
agree
shy axle
would you use "normal ST setup" 3x DD/2x NP/1x ttk or 2x DD/2 SS/1xNP/1x EB for JFM?
cobalt pelican
2nd but drop eb for whatever other option there is
there's pretty much never enough mobs to justify fokking if you have dd in the fight
and if there is it's for like 3 seconds
real bay
SS subt 25.7k vs 26.4k pure st, with added rng, wow huge difference 
vast forum
@simple meteor 1st boss is 2-target cleave most of the fight (with periods of 3-target)
SS/DD combo for 1st boss is god-tier
simple meteor
i see ty mate what about 2nd?
vast forum
idk, i only did normal and 2nd boss seems to only have occasional adds that don't live too long
simple meteor
i see will watch fights when I get home just needed a idea to know what azerites to retalent
thx
tough skiff
anyone on the PTR? which Azerite essence seems powerful for us?
dry thicket
the random vendetta proc one
cosmic pier
yeah that + NP seems pretty strong
i kinda hope they just let all the classes do broken shit, i wanna have some fun
shy axle
with 3 Eb/3SS and 10+ mobs, get those ruptures going and then? wort to cast the env at 5cp or just spam fok with eb trait ? 10+ or 15+ mobs
mystic charm
I guess the cephaloid jackets OP will be negated by Jaina's chilling touch
so I might as well go 3x NP ?
That is Mekkatorque jacket
wary ice
😮
teal bane
quick question
Delay Vendetta for Vanish?
spice surge
Yes
scenic nacelle
Will Cloak of Shadows azerite trait consume Suffering and heal you for the stack?
strange python
The stacks dont go away when you cloak
scenic nacelle
rip
spice surge
Otherwise it would be broken
wary ice
Are there sims for the Major/Minor stuff yet?
marble hemlock
its 170k damage over 30seconds
healers will be thankful if you use it
so they can have more hps
spice surge
Yeah its 190k with a mythic version
Our hunter just casually grabbed a 425 one with socket 😄
marble hemlock
rofl
distant lava
wait can items proc over 425 now ?
muted jacinth
no?
pastel vault
blood of enemy + 15% cdr on vendetta makes them almost line up too
could be a good build
it'd kinda be like a melee arcane
every 1min 40 you pop
harsh sphinx
so will vendetta be up with like... every exsang lets say
primal gazelle
fuck vanish then? lol
pastel vault
yea haha
wary ice
Im confused, dont they line up without CDR?
tropic ocean
no
pastel vault
vendetta 2min, blood of enemy 1.5min cd
lone junco
exang is 45 sec vendetta is 2min. its wonky.
pastel vault
oh
lone junco
what CDR is even available? other than COF in timewalking
wary ice
OH i thought we were talking about vision, got my things crossed
storm pilot
pants from new raid good?
pastel vault
new trait in 8.2 minor has 15% vendetta cdr
wary ice
@lone junco Vision of Perfection's major trait gives -10s to it
lone junco
is that azerite or glyph
spice surge
No its -10s when the big one proc
wary ice
UHhh the glyph i tihnk
spice surge
Minor one is -15%
pastel vault
^
rigid sonnet
any of the new raid special effect items any good?`
tropic ocean
good old master assa memories
spice surge
is good
rigid sonnet
can I sim for upgrade worth?
tropic ocean
shoes and 3x master assa woop
harsh sphinx
So it could be up close to exsang guess we'll see if it makes it to live
lone junco
i have no clue what that is.
werid
I cant for the life of me think that pushing vendetta away from vanish into the 3rd exang will even be a gain.
unless the tail of 2nd vendetta lines with the MA vanish rounds
harsh sphinx
Wasn't NP just doing dumb dmg with really high uptime
harsh sphinx
was assuming from this vendetta was just up a lot https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/512521534552670209/567975808791216159/bCbbnmP.png
lone junco
outlaw looks bonkers
ok i like this one.
Random AR procs that dont need to align with vanish. sounds cooler than fucking with vendetta timing.