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cobalt pelican
zenith gust
thx
prisma monolithBOT
In the absence of Shuiken Combo, how does that even function correctly?
cobalt pelican
who knows, bot, who knows
modern heart
these emotes give the perfect representation of sin, i salute the man who came up with this
you stab someone, go afk, come back and you're top dps
feelsgoodman
surreal torrent
😏
prisma monolithBOT
I'd read the pins
brisk forge
27k club 😄
desert vault
Goraks is the only piece with Blight?
strange python
@desert vault it's the only piece available at 415 with blight yes
vestal wren
the link i posted has all pieces
strange python
prisma monolithBOT
Is that a full set?
vital haven
having blight proc during your cds 
strange python
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sick cradle
!azerite
vestal wren
@sick cradle works now, just type it again
languid ore
Blight proc during your cds must be constant 4 cp envenoms ya?
fringe epoch
feels better to toxic blade before vanish imo, the crits from mut+env are much higher than tb
frigid sleet
w/e I do with my azeirth pieces & stats MA never comes on top compared with subt, even with 3DD
prisma monolithBOT
Did you remember to apply poisons?
frigid sleet
yes I did
grim canopy
I usually play outlaw, but if I wanted good off-spec daggers what is a safe dungeon/boss to put on sin loot spec
just for daggers
tropic ocean
tol dagor, underrot
stuck knoll
Anywhere you can't get one handers
UR has a bile so you probably want to stay outlaw
zenith gust
best race for horde m+ content? any interesting racials? thinking about switching sides
tropic ocean
belf good in many situations
golden relic
Assa channel is back 
strange python
Cry with me, Laught at me. I used SS Head with MA. I wanna cry. I missclicked -.-
hollow stone
@ionic hill on paper, probably. In reality, no. It comes down to third traits. This makes our best az: helm from champs or blockade: dd, np, op; shoulders gorak tul's (TR): dd, bbi, op; chest cephalohide: dd, ttk, op. Ending with 3dd, 1np, 1bbi, 1 ttk, 3op
If there were pieces w dd np/tc AND op, those would outperform the chest and probably shoulders but maybe not shoulders, bbi is stronh
dusky moon
@ionic hill if you look at m bod logs you'll see that pretty much every top dps has 3 NP + 3 DD
MA vs Subt is debatable 😃
subterfuge is for garrote opener and re-cast, good for MT, okay for ST
MA gives you a short buff to rupture, mutilate, envenom after opener
if you do have ~ 3 NP + 3 DD go MA for ST
stuck knoll
It can do really well Outlaw is easier to play and gear though
Don't let that make you think sin isn't also great
simple gulch
I don't like Outlaw that much really
zenith gust
what bothers me with assa is tanks chaining pulls and not letting me stealth between pulls when pugging.....
zenith gust
i dont really like it... but all the roads lead to it :/
simple gulch
don't like what?
dusky moon
@dusky moon just ran my own sims for ST.. MA gives 200 dps more on patchwerk sim vs subt
so use whichever opener you're familiar with
@simple gulch depends on the tank ability/consideration for your spec. if tanks keeps pulling mobs away from your poison bomb pool, you not gonna have a good time
@simple gulch similarly geared assassination vs outlaw does about the same dps over the whole dungeon duration, in my experience... sometimes you get lucky with toxic bomb procs, sometimes you do not
spice surge
By the time you've reacted to pb proccing it has done most of its damage already though, doesn't matter much if tanks pull away
Pb isn't very relevant at all anymore, the rng of assa comes from crits
dusky moon
yeah, it is not much in the big picture of things, but it is nice to proc on big pulls / reaping waves
cobalt gyro
Just run CT so you don't need to worry about rng
dusky moon
CT is 5% dps loss for me in the sim
it is not instant damage, so can't really re-apply and gain anything from it short term
vs EB to 5 CPs, Rupture, Tab target, repeat
(but i may actually try it just to see how it feels)
lost horizon
CT does have an instant dmg component
golden relic
languid ore
If you look at top logs most have 1 SS. A lot of the bosses you can cheese with vanish multi garrote.
hollow stone
@ionic hill definitely is viable. Just pointing out that 3rd traits matter enough that 3dd 3np isnt "the best" in practice because you cant get 3dd 3np with 3op
inland stump
just wondering if Im just unlucky or not, but you can get shrouded suffocation on 2 different rings right?
I read the pinned guide and it says that but still just double checking
want to have at the very least 1 SS trait but then sim tells me to change it into a 2nd DD trait but like no, I don't want to xD
smoky fiber
No but you can get 3 dd 2 np and a blightborne all with op which is almost the same thing
inland stump
but doesn't the guide show it to be on the 5th and 4th ring 😮
nvm Im stupid, didn't read the part where it said multi target, mb 😦
winged remnant
@marble hemlock did u run toxic blade poison bomb in the 22 UR? i c u have the talents on cuz i was stalking higher r.io assassin rogues
stone crescent
Hey guys, any discussion between the ravenholdt MA opener which does Vanish->TB vs Dratnos' Opener which was garrote-mut-vend-tb-mut-vanish-envenom-mut(mut)-envenom?
I learned a lot from his videos but it's slightly different to the ravenholdt stuff
hearty jetty
do you hate rupture
civic palm
RUPTURE IS A LIE PERPETRATED BY THE MAN MEANT TO KEEP YOU DOWN!!
Also, cast Rupture you weirdo.
civic palm
No difference then.
stone crescent
There is! The ravenholdt website does the vanish before the tb, while the dratnos opener does the tb as the first global after vanish
civic palm
Right but there's no meaningful difference.
stone crescent
I think infexious does the same
Oh, alright
Thought it would be better to try and fit the 2 envenoms in rather than the tb and 1 envenom in consistently
civic palm
Other than offset TB by 2GCDs, which also does nothing.
1 TB vs 1 ENV matters in 10 second sims.
Not a 5min encounter, or even a minute.
stone crescent
Was thinking less about the offsetting and more on the usage of MA after the Vanish. The dratnos opener counts on the mut after the first envenom giving 4 Cp so you can fit a second envenom in the MA opener for the crit chance, while the ravenholdt one is more reliable in the combo point building cause youre using 2 builders instead of just 1 in the MA window
civic palm
Correct, the reason the RH opener is TB after Vanish is due to CP consistency and producing on average more DPS.
civic palm
ayooo
lone junco
afk again.
civic palm
thisMotherFucker
stone crescent
Yeah I have the option to take subterfuge cause I can choose between 1 TTK and 1 Shrouded suff atm, but wasnt sure if I should be taking it cause I felt like it wasnt enouhg to justify taking sub over MA with only 1 trait. Currently running 2 DD,2NP,1TTK,1TC
civic palm
It's both probably not, and not enough of a difference to matter.
stone crescent
kk thanks! Yeah was mostly wondering about the opener. Like if people have discussed which one was better
civic palm
Yeah we've settled on the current iteration of the opener for a while now, it's where the math has pointed us.
stone crescent
RNG vs Consistency
Got it, cheers.
Would you take 1 SS and go into sub, rather than 1 TTK and stay with MA? Always felt like 1 SS trait wasnt enouhg to justify subterfuge
But then again TTK isnt great ins t
afaik
civic palm
Nope. MA all day.
stone crescent
cool cool.
civic palm
At this point it really doesn't matter enough just play what you like more and don't make any awful errors.
cursive dune
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stone crescent
Are people liking Blightborne over 2nd NP? Seems to sim higher but people are stacking NP looks like.
cursive dune
is there a "bis" setup for m+ we want? ie 3eb 2ss etc
spiral beacon
why is twist the knife good in m+
cursive dune
^ hence my question i see a lot running it
civic palm
For ST.
cursive dune
ie tyrannical weeks?
civic palm
You could.
lost horizon
priority damage in packs
it's not great for meters, but you can pummel priority targets w/TTK builds
civic palm
Yeah it's more about being the ST DD for your group.
astral pike
would troll be the best race to play assassin if youre stacking nothing personal and aim to overlap the racial with vendetta?
jaunty arrow
its worth play Master poisoner with 3x DD and 2 np? 🤔
jaunty arrow
I sim it and ep is still better but
steep obsidian
its been a throway talent every since msatery started effecting bleeds this expac but who knows maybe it would scale better in some situations by end of expac
jaunty arrow
Yep but maybe someone try it and have better dps with it its just a theoretical question
strange python
theoretical questions are for sims
you asked "hello mr sim is master poisoner good" and mr sim did the math "beep boop theory in process beep boop it's not good"
steep obsidian
to be fair sometimes the sims aren't always right and there is some dumb shit people find that is broken
but yeah its generally the best guide
tropic ocean
well master poisoner can be good if you have problems keeping up eb enough
but i'd rather fix my rotational problems then
tropic ocean
yea
but any mix of dd/np/tc/bbi is fine
the traits are not far apart, theres even ppl with ss and ttk traits doing 100 logs on st
strange python
A
lethal heart
'logs on st'
there is few st fights in the raid
unless we're talking there purely about mekka
which is pure rng fiesta
if you log good or not
basically have to get 0 mechanics
real bay
champions is the only rngless and it's a joke anyways
high siren
we're talking purely about mekka idd
real bay
jadefire kinda too but eh
real bay
ofcourse but that's not rng
lethal heart
meh i guess
high siren
we're still in progress, not willing yet to log, only to maximize my output
lethal heart
but yea joke fight
real bay
it's just a cheese boss
lethal heart
all the bosses
you can cheese
besides mekka which is rng fiesta
to certain extent you can cheese all of them with some pepega strats
high siren
btw, in the situation where you have 5/5cps, and TB is about to get off cooldown in 2-3sec, do you pool and waste the cps from TB, or do you evenom before ? what's the correct move ?
lethal heart
you can waste cp there
high siren
that's what I thought
turbid stratus
People say 3xDD and 3xNP is ideal for St but most people on logs run 3xSS so is SS on ST affected by stats or something because it never sims better for me than DD and np with master assassin
civic palm
Because it doesn't, and SS isn't better for just ST.
tropic ocean
@turbid stratus on what boss? theres only a few fights where you mostly single target in raid, or at least as a rogue (e.g. mekka, stormwall, jaina) and even in jaina you have somewhat cleave with image/blocks
sim =//= reality, it doesn't take into consideration when you need to move (while your garrote still ticks)
tropic ocean
@strange python ?
stable oxide
I do a rupture on the frozen balista's
More energy regeneration and I get energy back when the balista dies, which gives me the same effect as pooling energy, which at that point comes handy for my EB/Toxic blade
strange python
do you tank the boss next to them or what
I rupture them when I run out for ring of frost but that's about it
stable oxide
Rogues are very versatile, wether you spring or shadowstep
I've got alot of wipes on it already and I did alot of testing what works best for me :P
stable oxide
Waisting?
tropic ocean
theres not much usages for sprint in p1 anyways besides on ring of frost to have more uptime
strange python
ye I have two hundred wipes and 2 kills on it as well chief
stable oxide
why would you use sprint?
stable oxide
I cloak the ring of frost
tropic ocean
sprint in intermisson wat
stable oxide
you stay togeter
strange python
sprint cloak kick boss
stable oxide
yeah
strange python
at images are down
turbid stratus
@tropic ocean i was just scrolling through top logs for every fight and pretty much everyone had ss
stable oxide
but obviously you have sprint back at that point
tropic ocean
@turbid stratus on what fight though?
tropic ocean
if you just look at general talent usage, ofc ss will be great, since theres so many cleave fights
stable oxide
I had 3DD, 1NP and 2TC on Jaina Mythic but personally 3D, 2NP and 1SS works better for me
and is more versatile
tropic ocean
well in jaina particular you'll probably pull good numbers with ss since you can use it on the elemental
and for fights like champions/gronk/jadefire it will ofc outdps dd
stable oxide
You can also do a vanish and garrote jaina + barrel on the second barrel
waxen valve
I think ss should be equal to dd for 5m patchwerk sim for nelf rogues. Do i miss something here?
tropic ocean
probably, still ss is guaranteed dmg while dd is rng dmg
you can have a really good one, but also a really bad one
but in the long run it should even it out I guess
leaden scroll
@waxen valve SS is gud for nelf idd, can u compare to dd on 5m patchwerk? can't sim rn
stable oxide
DD did around 10.50% of my damage on all the jaina wipes I had last thursday :P
waxen valve
Got a nelf and belf rogues. Dd is higher for both sims with same small margin so i am not sure it includes shadowmeld effect.
stable oxide
leaden scroll
@waxen valve Check the action table
waxen valve
Yup there is shadowmeld in action list. My 2dd+1ss is higher than 1dd+2ss only 31 dmg at 5m patchwerk. So especially for nelf rogues i assume ss is always better than dd for all bod bosses.
leaden scroll
If i want to cheese logs I might use 2+ SS, but I find 1 SS + 1 NP + 1 BI + 3DD the most interesting for raiding content, pretty comfy and less rng dependant, "kind of"
edgy ginkgo
if youre playing with 3x DD and 1x SS are you playing with Subterfuge or with MA?
leaden scroll
I'm playing subterfuge, sims better for me
edgy ginkgo
ok, thx
zenith gust
can u use shadow meld to get empowered garrotes?
strange python
ye
zenith gust
i thought i asked same thing months ago and the answer was no xD
tropic ocean
oh shadowmeld doesnt trigger subterfuge? 😮
zenith gust
that would be too OP
waxen valve
nope it just gets ss dmg bonus
cobalt gyro
In dungeons you can trigger stealth off of a meld, though
acoustic sleet
i dont think meld gives subterfuge
strange python
that's what was just said
distant lava
????? ye what
empty badge
God if meld triggered subterfuge..........
spice surge
Then ss would probably be good for st yeah
tropic ocean
we'll I guess in dungeons nevertheless you just get too much value out of ss, no matter that dd and stuff is ahead on bosses 😄
distant lava
it's also that you get almost no value from dd
tropic ocean
besides on single target yeah
I tried using 3x dd 2x np on tyran but you lose so much overall dps its not even close to be worth
tropic ocean
yeah, in tyran I prefer toxic blade but in my opinion the high value on exsang is that you dont need to stick to a target
e.g. in motherlode you can dot exsang the robot while spreading dots to the others
distant lava
yeah , i specially hate toxic blade aswell
misty shuttle
meld stealth then u get it just on trash not so much on boss fights in M+ but works on trash all day
spice surge
You only need a total of 4 bleeds up to not lose energy, so you probably should be envenoming the robots anyway
Which makes tb superb there
zenith gust
does garrote also fill up energy, or that's just rupture?
spice surge
Garrote, rupture and internal bleeding all give energy when they tick
marble hemlock
think he meant the energy-regain when a mob with a bleed dies
that one only applies to rupture
tropic ocean
@spice surge ofc but you can just garrote mob1 garrote rupture garrote mutilate rupture exsang robo and then continue to fok/rupture the rest
while already hard trimming the robot
languid ore
@turbid stratus noticed that too. Looked at casts on some of them and it's just garroting adds
Like grong you vanish, garrote grong shadowstep to add and garrote x2 for crazy damage
turbid stratus
yes i thought of that recently
that it might be worth over DD just for that extra dmg on add with vanish
in fights like grong
strange python
Or do like me and accidentally equip Opulence head with SS/TTK instead of Champions DD/NP/OP while using MA.... :( 😭 😭
RIP
@strange python even in weeks like this I tend to prefer 3 ss 1 bi 2 eb
the third eb feels kind of overkill tbh
and bi is great when it procs on both st and aoe
been playing around with it
I wouldn't know I can't play sin
ah fair
lol
I want to though
so I'll be doing something soon
today actually
something
very mysterious
writing a wa set instead of stealing from afenar again
I steal from speed's
then if I get a good piece in my m+ cache I'll actually play the spec lulw
marble hemlock
just steal from soneone, then put a WA paywall on your stream
golden relic
lmao
strange python
that's a good idea
marble hemlock
just play PB/TB when you start out assa in m+, rotation on aoe is much easier that way
marble hemlock
can branch out into ct/exsang at a later stage once youre more comfortable
strange python
I know how to manage ct
but it just doesn't sim better
what build are you running at the moment
trait wise?
ye
I don't have a wide array so
ttk, 2ss, 1 scent, 1 tc or smth
ah fair
no goraks? pepehands
I don't even have full 415 az
I'm considering buying another 400 today but it's not worth
just gamble like a true pirate
ye I'm saving for 415 next week
marble hemlock
no eb? yikes
marble hemlock
ah k
strange python
I don't remember what piece it's on
shoulders
ss sims better
but I run eb there anyway
because 1xeb is kinda essential
at least that's what someone told me
dungeon slice sim is p bad
yeah
I wouldnt trust it
I want to run CT
I know it's big meme to do feely craft but dungeon slice is p bad
I like it more
lol haha
from what seli told me a few months ago
it's 1 trash pack of 20 seconds 1 of 40 then a boss
like
yeah
6 target, 4, 6, boss
or something
it's alright for pug groups with baby pulls
that's what my groups consist of
fair
I might just do 1 16 or a 17 this week and be done
can't trust players
Imma do 1 weekly then play sekiro
see if I can be benched off the full clear again
cba reclearing jaina
😩
marble hemlock
all the ttk advice people (including myself) give is mostly aimed towards a more static group setting. for pugs, ss has always and most likely will always remain king, simply because 9/10 times the tank isnt gonna pull big, and will leave room for the healer to drink
which lets you restealth as well
and if he doesnt, asking him to not chainpull usually does the trick
2ss/1eb is all you need to do decently well in pugs i think
and the rest can be whatever
strange python
my one experience really with assa
dude would not stop chain pulling in freehold
ever
I asked him to and he told me to use vanish like it's up every 30 second
marble hemlock
well ye, theres always idiots
cant really help that
but so far, most people i asked nicely had no issue with making sure to let me restealth
strange python
it really turned me off from playing more even though I was really interested
golden relic
Its cuz ppl are used to playing with monkey outlaw
marble hemlock
even outlaw wants downtimes
mint peak
This game is shit if you don't play with a solid group or friends
golden relic
ye but re stealth wise
distant lava
I just yell WAIT, and it stops them for the few seconds you need most of the time
marble hemlock
if you pull more than 1 pack, do it immediately, dont wait until teh first pack is almost dead
thats tanking 101
strange python
< no guild, no m+group
marble hemlock
idk, ive had many pleasent pug experiences
marble hemlock
ask yourself this: when you join a pug, are you just looking to confirm your bias that pugs are shit by waiting for someone to make a mistake?
if you do, youre part of the problem
most people do that
strange python
I'm not waiting to confirm I'm just completely afraid
marble hemlock
even though mistakes happen all the time, and theyre not the end of the world
honest vessel
most of what SS is good for on those packs in the fast energy gen, so if you get ruptures to die with relatively high remaining time you can be ready for the next pack well even without restealth
strange python
mistakes are normal
marble hemlock
trust the people youre playing with, even though theyre just random people youll never meet again
honest vessel
i run two ss two eb so more of my damage is fok anyway
marble hemlock
if they mess up, sucks but it happens to the best of us
strange python
but my dude when you're a boomie and you die on the first underrot boss and the first trash pull multiple times
marble hemlock
focus on looking out for others to do stuff that are good instead
strange python
I inted my own key and left tbg
marble hemlock
like someone using his blind or cage to cover a missed interrupt
distant lava
Tbh pugs are about having the right state of mind
marble hemlock
ye
strange python
I use my blind more as an interupt than as a Blind;)
tropic ocean
usually you don't really need much downtime to restealth anyways as long as you get a sec or 2 to get out of combat its fine
golden relic
I like pugs
marble hemlock
its so much more enjoyable when youre doing a pug and look for people playing well, than looking for people to mess up
distant lava
Same
golden relic
but thats what you get when all you kno is SNAKES
distant lava
I feel pike in pugs are more focused than in an organized group
honest vessel
the only thing i dislike about pugs mainly is how its relatively impossible to do even moderately intricate skips/routes
tropic ocean
^nah, I pugged all my score and after I reached 15s 16s everyone is in discord
marble hemlock
never been an issue as long as its been said before the run
honest vessel
and those are what im trying to learn the most personally
pugs in discord are totally different imo
voice makes them so much better
tropic ocean
even managed to pug 18 sots skipping all elementals carver windseeker and stuff ater 2nd boss
marble hemlock
like, ive had ML Pugs where the tank linked a route without deathskips
so healer/me just asked if we wanna do it
strange python
nobody ever wants to vanish skip on volkaal
marble hemlock
he didnt know how
so we showed him
was a smooth run
next time someone plays with that guy, he knows how to do the skip
strange python
and I want to do vanish skip
tropic ocean
@strange python just walk in by stones, shroud out ;P
marble hemlock
i couldve gotten mad at him for being a noob, but whats the point?
distant lava
Fixed
marble hemlock
most people kinda choose to have a bad pug experience
tropic ocean
its not fixed
blizzard put some invisible wall
but they didnt make it long enough
cuz blizz 😄
you can dive under/walk along it and go in still
honest vessel
well there are some pugs that are just actual trash
marble hemlock
well sure
honest vessel
like you wipe once and the healer leaves the key
honest vessel
yeah but one of those is worth like 8 good runs
tropic ocean
you just need to not give a fuck @honest vessel
strange python
it depends on key level
honest vessel
when it comes to perception
tropic ocean
i just did 15 ur on my twink dh dies to maggot, dies to boss green shit leaves key
just dont care and go on
strange python
the ppl queueing into my 12s aren't really trying to push hard usually and that's fine
marble hemlock
otherwise im kinda responsible for my own misery, when i focus on the things that went badly
honest vessel
well focusing on things that go badly is usually people's strategy for getting better
tropic ocean
raging or tilting wont make it good it just causes stress so just dgaf
strange python
I mean if all you focus on are th bad things... no way you enjoy M+
honest vessel
so it makes sense they owuld apply it to other peoples play
wary ice
@marble hemlock thats like the story of wow though
marble hemlock
why though? youre not gonna get better by focusing on things that other people mess up
tropic ocean
if ppl hardcore troll or are obivously boostedI just put em on ignore and go next key, worked well for me so far
strange python
sometimes I tilt and that's not controllable, everyone tilts sometimes
I rather fuck up 100 times. Have fun and learn from it. Than bitch about every single little thing. I agree 100% with Seliathan
marble hemlock
focus on the things you mess up, and on the things others do well
honest vessel
im just saying that the philosophy you hold to make yourself better is the same as what causes you to notice mistakes others make
marble hemlock
that way youre gonna enjoy playing with the people you play with, while also having self-improvement
honest vessel
just applied to others instead of yourself
tropic ocean
and by the time I am now friendlist is packed with ppl that did good so
i got a nice pool to pug with
strange python
I feel bad noticing mistakes
marble hemlock
probably a better discussion for wow-general btw 😄
strange python
but I never chastise about it or tilt publicly
only key ruining mistakes make me upset
and yes true
honest vessel
i agree that being tough on urself but patient with others is the healthy and long-term solution ofc
marble hemlock
in any case, not getting the restealths even though you asked the tank definitely sucks, and i can see how thats a turnoff from playing more assa in keys
strange python
yeah
it was s1 tol
too*
so not only did it turn me off from playing sin
I quit rogue entirely
honest vessel
oof
marble hemlock
well, the ttk build definitely relies less on restealths
tropic ocean
biggest turnoff is when you apply to +15 to farm trinket and get whispered "outlaw?" "no" "then bye" when you have 2,2k score 😢
marble hemlock
so it makes for a smoother pug experience if the tank is ignorant
wary ice
I'm still crying from not being able to do the TTK build
tropic ocean
people are such meta slave when they are playing nowhere near high end m+ =/
strange python
I only have 1 415
marble hemlock
its usually more about them trying to build a group that has the most room for error. playing meta-classes helps with that
the problem with assa vs outlaw in particular, is that theyre both very good 😄
strange python
should I buy more 400s to fill out my sin repertoire
wary ice
Off meta classes, in my opinion, often have the problem of you need to pull with them in mind
strange python
or save for 415
mint peak
Save
tropic ocean
well I guess meta helps but just my personal opinion for anything under 18 19 on my twinks
wary ice
Like if ur running with rets and are doing constnat chain pulls of 3; they're going to super underperform
strange python
u got it
tropic ocean
i rather bring the player not the class
strange python
next week it is qq
strange python
hopefully I get 415 champ head
strange python
opulence head is also really good for us too right?
golden relic
man no gorak tuls must be tough
strange python
I should probably roll for that?
golden relic
the life
spice surge
Seli you should've listened to me when I told you to save a few weeks ago :<
marble hemlock
you can get a pretty good m+ setup by getting opu helmet (ss+ttk), rasta shoulders (ttk+eb), conclave chest (ss+ttk)
strange python
which one should I roll on hmm
I already have eb ttk shoulders
chest probably
my chest rn has scent of blood
so I'll roll on conc
tropic ocean
is 1x eb sufficient? I already feel lack luster with 2x on fh/ml/ur etc
tropic ocean
probably effective/efficient dps is good but it just feels so much better to see 40k overall than 30k :/
marble hemlock
if big pulls die quickly enough, why try to steal other peoples aoe when you have the opportunity to get more st/cleave tho
the other dps may not have that option
strange python
when do u vendetta/tb in mt
after 4x rup?
I should probably have a vendetta/tb/exsang focus macro
marble hemlock
i mean, if people think you were a bad pick cause you only did 30k when others did 40, the key was still timed and theyre looking for someone to play with regularly, yet they wont take you cause of your prio instead of aoe-pad.... id say you dodged a bullet 😃
marble hemlock
overall
tropic ocean
@marble hemlock well currently at 2,2k rioish it happens quite frequently
I pull 28-34k overall mostly with 2x eb right now
past spruce
Eb?
tropic ocean
with 3 eb I usually go 40~44k on ml/fhs
and ppl cry when I don't cuz outlaw goes 50kish
past spruce
Noob here sry😂
past spruce
Ah you talking az traits
tropic ocean
poison bomb is nice, but if the tank pulls the mobs spread a lot it gets less value
past spruce
I am still learning sry to intrpt you guys
strange python
It really doesn't. If PB procs and you move it has already done most of the damage. No need to ever worry about it
but where do u vendetta
past spruce
So just a opinion on the practice dummy just my gear no raid nothing enchantes runes wthever i am at 15k 3m fight at 392ilv is that okish?
tropic ocean
@strange python it depends on how tank pulls
past spruce
St
marble hemlock
vendetta+tb, prio into that target
and once tb runs out, refresh garrotes with vanish or start multi-rupturing
tropic ocean
@strange python if tank kites a lot and mobs are spread out poison bomb value drastically decreases
if everything is stacked its really good
marble hemlock
for interrupts, ye
also got mouseover for rupture
and regular rupture
other than that, i dont really use macros that much, assa has most of its stuff on GCD anyway
so macros are of less use
past spruce
Regular rupture?you mean not empowered from stealth?
tropic ocean
you cant overpower rupture unless u use nightstalker
strange python
for ex
strange python
#showtooltip
/cast [nodead,harm,mouseover][] Rupture
past spruce
Ik sht about macros in this game why in the world they allow such athing,it takes a lot of the skill needed to play out of the equation i am having a hard time getting used to the idea of having to macro
Wht does that macro do?
strange python
when you have a mouseover Target it casts rupture on them
if u don't it ruptures current target
spice surge
Thats not really necessary though imo
past spruce
I need ro learn tgat cuz in pvp seems everyone uses macros
spice surge
sure its not bad to have, but if you're struggling with other stuff
marble hemlock
well, it allows you to keep less hotkeys
spice surge
This is so far down the list of things you need to focus on
marble hemlock
ideally you just have one for each option
past spruce
Where can a guy find a update guide on macros?
On my last mmo we use to make fun of nacro users,here it seems i am a idiot by not using thm lmao
strange python
I like mouseover
spice surge
As i said, from your posts here today there is a lot of other things you should be focusing on before you worry about macros imo
strange python
every single button I had on lock was macro
ye
but I play outlaw at a decent level so I was wondering more for convenience dungeon sake
less about spec
definitely a #wow-general q
past spruce
I am having a hard time getting in to m+ cuz i have no idea about mechanics and ppl just want to rush and kick you out if you die from something that you nor aware of
Stuck at 392 fr ages now
No sht like 1 month lmao
strange python
best idea is to go on youtube and watch videos or download little wigs to flash on your screen when something is coming out
or just run mythic zeros and learn also
wary ice
^
past spruce
The mechanics change at higher m+ right?
strange python
no they are the same just hit harder xd
reaping is by far the easiest affix
except maybe vol
yeah literally the only thing that changes is reaping and just kill it haha
lethal iris
Are there any bosses in BoD that are worth using bursting blood? Or is agility pot always better?
strange python
you are lucky you missed g’huun
vestal wren
just play with 5x nightelf and its like reaping is not existent
strange python
^
wary ice
nerf NE xd
strange python
or just go outlaw and have zero fun and spam one button the whole instance
wary ice
as someone whos really tired of playing outlaw, thats a super unfair assessment of the spec
lost sentinel
how many weeks are we in? I really want a damn dagger today lol
not another ring lmao
strange python
undone sand
Bonjour, une personne dispo pour voir si mes cycles sont bien avec mon rogue ?
Hello a person available to see if my cycle is correct? I speak French, so I use a translator
dark crag
Je ne parles pas francais
gentle tundra
@undone sand Je peux regarder ce soir si tu veux, tu as un lien vers des logs ? (Je joue plus outlaw mais j'ai pas mal regardé assa)
undone sand
Ah bah parfait @gentle tundra, j'allais mp le côté outlaw pour des renseignements.. Possible que je tadd en ami sur Discord pour qu'on se capte dans la soirée ?
wary ice
I speak just enough french to read this and feel like i should've paid more attention in school
strange python
oui oui baguette
solid nova
Sounds like a plan to me, probably best kept to dms if possible
past spruce
Anyone done the brawlers guild as a assassin?last fight is hard at my gear lv the jump from the fkg baboon keeps hitting me for 55k even if i get away from it.
gentle tundra
Yes sorry people, we will resume in DM ha ha
past spruce
Pas problem
Dps check is about 16k its hard to keep with that monkey on me all the time
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Azerite Season 2 changes: https://bit.ly/2U86I7o
hallow coyote
!azerite
sturdy python
What ilvl are you
wooden crown
you can fizzle most mechanics at the ogrewatch fight if you stun winston right at the beginning of the fight before he can cast his shield. all 3 bosses will stay rooted so you wont ever get hit by rocket jump
sturdy python
What do you mean rooted?
past spruce
Really?but but that cheesing it
Nha if i am to butt fck this monkey i am going to do it the right way cuz that sure seems like a bug to me
Wont ppl get in trouble for doing that?cuz seems to me blizz has a thing for banning players that used their mistakes in self advantage
sturdy python
I doubt they’d do anything for brawlers guild, not the first bug people have abused
But just stun monkey, run away from the bombs, interrupt Tesla and multi dot
I’m sure it’ll die, might as well use leeching poison too
Use internal bleeding and kidney the monkey too
strange python
soo this will be my first time not using SS how bad is it? or is it really easy to learn the new opener?
mint peak
It's even easier to play without SS
past spruce
I can get the goblin and dupree down problem is after i am not reaching the dps check and the fire kills me i m at 15k give or take but it aint cutting it
wooden crown
did you use drums for bl and the agility potion from the vendor?
past spruce
Agility potion yes drums i have to ask ....whhhhaaatttt?
sturdy python
For blood lust
strange python
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gEFCo9tj5WUk76EearW2y5 this is my new setup currently hopefully I get champs helm on reclear today
sturdy python
And make sure to pot before you start the combat so you can pot again 1 minute later
past spruce
Again....whaatttt?i play without any consumes cuz i feel its a waste to enchat lv 390 gear
sturdy python
Sure, drums are cheap and make a huge difference though
I didn’t need any consumables for it but I was 408 outlaw
past spruce
392 noob assa rogue lol
wooden crown
you should get at least cheap enchants on your gear bub, you'll spend 1k tops on the 4 needed
past spruce
Thx man i have to say sad i cant find a group of ppl like you guys to play with on my server
Very helpfull and nice of you
sturdy python
I usually find the nicest people around the brawlers guild
past spruce
The comunity in this game is whts taking my will to play it these days
Other thing is on my server nobody is doing it and i opened my brawlers sacks before i knew i would need thm later so i am 2 brawls short on the quest for the croc
I am in outland btw if anyone here is in this server and have a nice guild pls do tell me
sturdy python
I’m on thrall
icy oar
hey guys, wasn't playing rogue for a 5 month, what is generic stats priority? (I know, I can sim, but I don't see any reason, coz low gear)
heavy skiff
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > mastery > vers >= haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.
icy oar
thx
heavy skiff
Np
harsh sphinx
anyone use kimbuls as assa?
strange python
Only when im to lazy to use my awesome 370 GCB
harsh sphinx
think its just too high ilvl owns tforge dice in the sim
warm drift
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
past spruce
When you guys sim yourself do you use all consumes and raid buffs and the zandalar buff or strip everything and only gear?
coral pawn
!opener
No opener bot...whats the opener for MA?...finally got a 415 chest with NP and DD, switching from SS with Subterfuge.
spice surge
Its in the guide in the pins
@past spruce keep all on, since you should have all of them in raid anyway
coral pawn
Ahh...thanks
desert vault
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qyWH6x1t4kbLuKFxZ9cWHd heh, filthy transfusion beating SS 😃
royal lantern
ss is not that great for single target, wath do you expect
desert vault
Right, I'm going to run it though, cause its only 76 difference. Was such a crap 415 purchase that chest, but it replaced a 400 with DD/SS so I guess it is what it is
warm geode
ripe geyser
How do you guys feel about playing assa in dungeons rn?
stuck knoll
Assassination Abbreviations
Abilities
Gar/g - Garrote
Rupt/r - Rupture
Mut - Mutilate
Vend - Vendetta
Env - Envenom
Fok - Fan of knives
PK - Poisoned Knife
Deadly - Deadly poison
Talents
EP - Elaborate Planning
MP - Master Poisoner
MA - Master Assassin
Subt - Subterfuge
NS - Night Stalker
DS - Deeper Stratagem
MfD - Marked for Death
TB - Toxic Blade
PB - Poison Bomb
CT - Crimson Tempest
HB - Hidden Blades
Azerite Traits
NP - Nothing Personal
SoB - Scent of Blood
DD - Double Dose
SS - Shrouded Suffocation
TTK - Twist The Knife
EB - Echoing Blades
rigid mango
Sin is fine for dungeons, you can go eb heavy or ttk heavy builds for either aoe dmg or prio dmg, it out performs outlaw in some dungeons
strange python
desert vault
I might go back to the 3x eb/ss meme for this week ... it is always fun to do stupid numbers for no reason 😃
idle vigil
Wish I had an eb ss helm
mint peak
It's not even a meme, works pretty well and lets you break up the monotony of playing Outlaw
desert vault
I guess pure aoe won't be too bad this week, clump up in the sanguine pools as much as possible prolly
past spruce
Meter padders 😂 😂 😂
desert vault
That is all that matters!
sour current
how much better would a stat have to be to use double wep enchants of the same stat? or is that a 
solid nova
A lot and yes
sour current
yeah I figured, thank you
visual quartz
simming 600 higher with new NP/DD chest + MA over my SS chest +Subt, might have to dabble with MA now
chrome nacelle
should i always go for the highest dps sim equipment? or there are like variations
thick mulch
I have a question, in waycrest manor in the hallway with the maggots. I get taken out of stealth by something, and its not spit because i was watching my debuffs
regal river
What settings on raidbots does ppl use for simming mythic Jaina?
tropic ocean
@thick mulch reinfested maggots putting you back in combat i suppose
thick mulch
no it wasn't that either, im in stealth to start the pull. Tank pulls then i just get taken out of stealth, not hit by anything either
past spruce
Stealth bugs out sometimes
thick mulch
It's always in that hallway that it happens. Its the strangest thing
solar rose
its a common bug in that hallway, you need to LoS when your tank pulls. Unfortunately been like that since beta
past spruce
Happens to me in open world and pvp sometimes
steady hearth
!azerite
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Azerite Season 2 changes: https://bit.ly/2U86I7o
tropic ocean
if you don't stealth you can't get unstealthed pro-tip
ripe nimbus
past spruce
Pandemic can someone clear this up for me?
Wht does it mean?ik its to do about refreshing bleeds
tropic ocean
it means you can safely refresh a dot that has 30% of its time or less left
and the time will get added on top of new dot
past spruce
Ah danke
sturdy python
30% of the new buff or debuff can be added on
tropic ocean
so if your rupture has 30% or less of original duration
your new rupture will get duration+duration left
sturdy python
Not original, it’s based on the new application
It’s explained well in pins though, with math
past spruce
Question if i refresh a emp garrote with a normal one wht does that mean for the duration of the bleed?
tropic ocean
it doesnt change duration, it just makes your garrote weaker
since it overwirtes the buffed garrote
tropic ocean
just let em run out to be safe, but in general yes
past spruce
Only emp anything iz garrote anyway
tropic ocean
yea
past spruce
K m8 thanks
steady hearth
!help
strange python
For this week, you guys with fan builds, is tk and SS still minimal in overall damage considering Sang.?
comparative to each other I mean
strange python
that's odd
lost horizon
@round harbor first stack of NP is worth more
try that same sim but also with NP on shoulders instead of BBi
bleak spoke
check NP on helm
lost horizon
or that
round harbor
ah yeah id need that checked
weak zenith
which is better Master Poisoner or Elaborate planing?
small island
is it possible to dodge surging rush on sots with cloak?
marble hemlock
EP is better in almost all situations
and yes, you can just cloak and ignore the surging rush
light kestrel
anyone get anything good out of their cache?
today marked my fourth ring in a row, no repeats so far but the first two were high vers low mast
ashen ermine
Going from subt build to ma lol
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2kaw59iKshoAEe7F5oxeru
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qi6c762nFq1EaxUUVsK48D
winged remnant
guys
twist the knife vs echoing blades in m+? think the priority damage is worth the loss of such a good aoe trait?
and 400 SS+treacherous vs 385 TTK+EB?
round harbor
id probly just take the SS/TC piece
and ttk is extrmeely overrated
unless your doing keys where there is actually dangerous mobs
and even then
meh
winged remnant
seli told me he runs triple ttk for prio danger mob damage in his really high keys
dont get me wrong hes definitely in higher but id say i do pretty high keys semi often
and thats def my aimed goal
why do you say its over rated though? @round harbor
round harbor
seli isnt 99.9% of this discord though
strange python
how is it overrated tho
round harbor
there is like 3 other people in here that do the content that he does
strange python
wdym
round harbor
the minimal prio dmg on a mob largely wont outweigh they overall dmg eb does
winged remnant
how high do you think you have to go where it starts to become worth it then in your mind?
strange python
seli isnt even that high score at this point
several people here do 22~'s, seli stopped hardcore pushing a while ago friend
and ttk is great
but I would play the 400 ilvl piece
15 ilvls is a bit of a yikes
and it's not like tc + ss are bad
SS is great
especially in "lower" keys
because your tank is most likely not as good or as comfortable so pulls tend to be smaller
winged remnant
i was under the impression tc is kinda ...meh. but
what is your opinion on what qualifies as "lower" keys?
round harbor
anything lower than 21 imo
winged remnant
at the sceond
strange python
yeah that's what I'd call lower
winged remnant
im trying to find a team tbh
round harbor
but thats up for interp
strange python
do you pug or do you have a team
winged remnant
but like
most of the pulls ive done in these keys
are pretty big
and chain pullings pretty common lol
strange python
then try out the ttk eb piece
winged remnant
chain pulling is probably less common than the big pulls in itself though
strange python
The bigger the pulls the merrier as far as eb goes
winged remnant
big pulls but not chainpulling is probably the most common if im honest about it i guess.
strange python
SS loses value in big pulls compared to eb
winged remnant
does SS have a big trait stacking mechanic or is it about equal benefit everytime u add 1?
cuz i already have like 2 on besides that piece
round harbor
also seli is 2.8k, thats more than high enough to justify high level. considering 100% of that is sin
strange python
it's just a flat damage increase
round harbor
thats like top top top percentile of sin
among sin one tricks thats probly 2nd or 3rd
winged remnant
i have a 415 SS + BB vs 385 TTK + BB, im gonna guess the ilvl difference is way too big to even quation that?
round harbor
since most everyone has made the switch]
strange python
plenty of people play sin, seli is just the best sin player
marble hemlock
its still a setting thats not going to be a regular occurence for most people asking for advice. i know that i can afford to not do as much aoe to focus on prio damage
because i know i can trust the players i play with to take care of that part of the equation
strange python
@winged remnant the fuck isbb
marble hemlock
in most pug groups, and to an extent in a lot of organized groups, you dont know whether you can trust others to carry aoe
winged remnant
theyre both bbi
strange python
gorak's is nutty
vast forum
basically, you only run TTK if you have prot warr+aoe pumper dps
marble hemlock
i play more SS in dungeons like KR/temple for example
winged remnant
atleast one is always going to be an aoe pumper, the 2nd 1 depends a bit on current pick
strange python
ss + bbi + op is nutty
marble hemlock
and id definitely play more ss/blightborne singletarget focused in a few keys if i had goraktuls, which i sadly do not have
winged remnant
i thought OP wouldnt be that great in m+ since haste is so devalued?
vast forum
@marble hemlock what do you think about 3xSS 3xTTK for nelf in KR?
marble hemlock
you still want 1eb
strange python
nah op is still great in keys
vast forum
i don't think 1st stack of eb is more valuable than the others
round harbor
even 2 eb in most dungeons is probly close to ideal
marble hemlock
ttk isnt actually that great in KR or temple for that matter, because pulls arent big enough to ensure a consistent 4-5cp/fok generation
strange python
3 ss 1 bbi 2 eb
that's the good shit
seli would run that but he's big noob and doesnt get gorak's
winged remnant
so...is there any 2ndary trait youd pick over OP in m+? i figured it would be pretty devalued just like haste in general...
vast forum
just save for specific LOOOL
marble hemlock
so in that sense, the eb isnt as necessary i suppose, since you would be mutilating for CP to get proper TTK value, instead of using fok
even on ~3-4target pulls
strange python
imagine not being lucky
marble hemlock
would certainly be interesting to see how a haste+mastery 3ss3ttk setup performs in something like kingsrest
winged remnant
actually on that note, with 1-2 EB's, how many targets do u need there to be for you to start ONLY FoK'ing and basically never mutilating?
round harbor
even in a higher key idk
marble hemlock
then again, if youre running 3ss youd rather play exsang and not TB, so why even play ttk at that point
round harbor
even Kr pulls can and will be medium to largve size sometimes
round harbor
eh
marble hemlock
and the blobs, but who cares about blobs
as far as "when to overcap cp to spam fok" is concerned
round harbor
reaping + 2nd boss, reaping + first boss, reaping + second miniboss room
all pretty meta pulls
strange python
I dont think he's tlking about overcapping
marble hemlock
for me its less about the size of the pull, and more about whether i want to just spam aoe or want to continue doing prio damage for wahtever reason
vast forum
never fok st over muti
vast forum
unless 20 stacks of hb
strange python
he meant
marble hemlock
depends a bit on your critrate
winged remnant
seli are u playing TB constantly when ur going 2-3 TTK? CT or PB with that?
vast forum
with 3 EB i think the math said that fok on 2 targets is optimal
strange python
ttk build runs tb and pb
round harbor
HB is slick tho
strange python
@vast forum ye, he asked 1-2 tho
round harbor
especially on weeks like this
marble hemlock
keep in midn that my suggestions for mut into fok when the mut was 3cp
isnt based on any sims or anything
just "feels" better and more efficient
on 2-3target fights youre usually still concerned about cp/energy, and not just raw damage
which becomes the primary concern once pulls are big enough (4+) where energy sustain is not an issue and thus cp/energy becomes less relevant
winged remnant
do u think ttk +tb +pb becomes better or worse on fortified vs tyrannical? kind of a weird question but i see multiple ways i could view that
marble hemlock
and its more about cp/gcd or dmg/gcd
i dont really think about traits, gear or talents in terms of forti+tyrannical
its more about "is prio gonna be useful and potentially time-saving?"
marble hemlock
which can be both important and not important at all for both forti and tyra
round harbor
except nbow u play sin
winged remnant
hmm....
marble hemlock
basically, i look at the comp, dungeon, affixes, and then decide what is the least useful
i.e. ttk is not as good on dungeons with smaller pulls, so i swap out one ttk for another ss
winged remnant
that becomes weird because of like..if im not missing something here.. it wouldnt be time saving but it would be useful ? on a lot of fort keys. where like.. killing a rough mob is just extremely less risky, but killing the whole pack over time as u go is just..more time efficient still? then u have things like shrine where theres big ass minibosses though..but most of those are skipped half the time lol
marble hemlock
you can make that argument in both directions
round harbor
i lean on the side of better cc can make a scary mob not scary and just do overall dmg sdo you get to move onto the next pack faster
marble hemlock
on fortified mobs live longer, meaning the small mobs die slower and giving the group more time to make sure they kill packs evenly with less investment into prio damage
winged remnant
thats what im saying @median swift , helpful, but not better timing basically?
round harbor
both
winged remnant
but ye i see a lot of different angled arguments to make on a lot of this
round harbor
like i would consider a bloodswarmer a scary mob on fort
but it can be stunned, defensived and killed nearly as fast with eb or with ttk
marble hemlock
i dont see prio damage as a means to take care of a specific mob as quickly as possible. theres certainly pulls where its helpful, bloodswamers in UR for example, but with or without ttk you can do good prio damage by utilizing your cooldowns.
the reason i play ttk in most dungeons is because it allows me to make sure that mobs in packs with uneven health, die at the same time anyway
round harbor
and all of the sudden the pack dies faster since you did 10k more overall on the pack
same wavelinks
2spooky4me
marble hemlock
so, even in a pack with 10mobs that have the same health, one or two of them will die faster or slower than the rest. ttk works exceptionally well in these types of situations to ensure mobs die evenly
round harbor
cannoneer in siege another example of that
winged remnant
so...basically how i handle glacial spike to some degree.
marble hemlock
which gives you the restealth you want if its a pack that spawns reaping
round harbor
or crusher in fh
all the same
side note, does anyone have the simc code for a fully decked out ceph jacket?
marble hemlock
i.e. in KR, the kings room on teeming. if close left spawns last, you dont get reaping before that last wave. by making sure these 3 mobs die at the same time, you get all 3 of them into the reaping wave that will spawn there. if you kill one of them quickly and spawn the reaping, the 2 remaining mobs will spawn with the next wave, potentially keeping you in combat longer (which doesnt matter for KR because you pull it with 2nd boss anway, but i think you get my point ^^)
winged remnant
so, i have a 400 SS+TChead and a 400 EB + SS chest, is there any reasoning im not thinking of where i wouldnt roll for a new 415 head over the chest?
marble hemlock
so on a trashpack that will spawn reaping after you kill 2-3 mobs, ideally you wanna make sure all the mobs in the pack die at the same time, so theyre all inside the reaping wave
dark crag
The assassination science of mythic plus
winged remnant
xd^
marble hemlock
so you dont get any stragglers in the next wave
and ttk is great for that specific purpose
bleak spoke
how much of a damage boost over pure st is it to be able to maintain a pair of ruptures for energy in that room and just sink fok env fok env into the second boss of kings anyway?
it's got to be much much more than outlaw right?
dark crag
And then an outlaw comes in the room shouting "BLADEFURRIE"
marble hemlock
on reaping+boss i dont multirupture at all
sniping low-hp mobs with 5cp ruptures is a better use of your resources
dark crag
And the sub rogue sits alone on his darkmoon seasaw
round harbor
i tend to rupture lost souls
cause in Kr specifically they live long enough to justify imo
marble hemlock
on regular trashpulls you multirupture for a sustained energy-flow. on burst aoe packs you dont really need to do that, since you can sustain energy just through energy-refunds from mobs with rupture that are dying
bleak spoke
yeh i've been rupturing long living targets too
marble hemlock
the increased energygain from multidotting barely translates into increased singletarget damage
not nearly as much as it does for other classes/specs, including outlaw
bleak spoke
even if i get to just spam fok envenom into the boss?
marble hemlock
so me multidotting barely increases my ST damage, but actively hurts others (by killing the mobs off quicker)
marble hemlock
2nd boss KR is a bit of an exception, cause that boss is frustrating to play with lost souls up
strange python
well the end result is your party doing more damage
marble hemlock
its hard to generalize
strange python
p a d d i n g
bleak spoke
yeh it's definitely different comp to comp and dungeon to dungeon
marble hemlock
i think the 2nd boss i usually start with 3garrotes on boss and the 2 lostsouls from the golems
bleak spoke
and then rupture boss for 4th dot?
cursive dune
!help
marble hemlock
ye
rupture boss, vendetta+tb and fok>envenom the boss
and then just vanish (if you have it) and do the same again
depending on kingsroom RNG you either get more mobs later on
or you dont
bleak spoke
yeh
marble hemlock
i usually multidot there simply because playing the boss and having 4+ lostsouls that smash all the time
bleak spoke
it's good if more mobs trickle in though right
marble hemlock
is super annoying
bleak spoke
for damage i mean
marble hemlock
placing fire correctly/being slowed from beam/dodging smashes/dodging the on-death effect
is just annoying, so getting rid of it quickly is preferable
bleak spoke
the slow from the drain is annoying af yeh
marble hemlock
well, its mostly that the healer cant pump you as much with beam
if theres still 5+ reapings pummeling the tank
cursive dune
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bleak spoke
how's high kings looking on fort/sanguine/grevious?
cobalt gyro
2nd KR boss with reaping up is pure aids
bleak spoke
doable or nah
cobalt gyro
Its more doable than tyrannical