oh,
#assassination
spice sorrel
civic forge
like keeping it on cd
civic forge
right
swift prism
can anyone explain why my quick sim is so much higher than my top gear?
onyx wind
So assuming the 2nd target is dying with no rupture up, and you have full bleeds on the other target? @primal gazelle
Or what is the scenario
civic forge
has a MA varient without using ss been tested?
spice sorrel
what? are you using the same gear for the quick and top gear?
top gear will also sim what you currently have on
also are you making sure you are simming the same thing? (targets, time, buffs etc)
primal gazelle
dude its literally trading 5 combo points for full energy bar back, i dont get why its so complicated for you
swift prism
Yeah, my quick sim is 23,500, and my top gear is like 19000
swift prism
Just wondering if there's a known bug or something with the quick sim
primal gazelle
5 combo points or 1 envenom for 150 energy, which can cast 3 muts, gives you 6-8 combo points, and cast envenom
thats it.
onyx wind
You could literally just give a single specific scenario
Where it is useful
And i would agree with you
primal gazelle
lol im done
onyx wind
Like you can twist all odds into your favour
Im not trying to prove you wrong, im trying to learn
primal gazelle
5 combo points or 1 envenom for 150 energy, which can cast 3 muts, gives you 6-8 combo points, and cast envenom
^ you should be doing this trade in ALL scenarios
onyx wind
I dont agree
primal gazelle
vs 2, vs 10, vs 100, it doesnt matter, you make that trade
onyx wind
And you have full bleeds on the other mob
And no rupture on the dying?
That would be the best scenario for this trick correct?
primal gazelle
obviously dont do it if you already have a full rupture on the dying add
that common sense
onyx wind
Yes it is
lone junco
@primal gazelle did you decide on 6t for overfap fok while maintaining Env or EP
bold hearth
Anyone know how long adds need to live in the opener for it to be worth using garrote on them
primal gazelle
my personal breakpoint is 7 targets
bold hearth
Specifically talking about Jaina opener.
lone junco
was that for env uptime or ep uptime?
or fuck env mash fok more. maintain ruptures for e
primal gazelle
at 6, i still envenom for ep, so fok fok fok enveom
the different for me via the spreadsheet i made for 6t was so small, i rather have the priority envenom dmg
at 7+ is when fok starts scaling harder
also gotta factor in not all EB procs will hit each other due to the small 5 yd range
spice sorrel
how did that work for reaping? i remember rupturing them and then they died like 3 seconds later, didn't seem worth. I assume you would try to rupture the big bois
lone junco
I think that means it is irrelevant for me. Cause
- i dont have 3eb.
- I dont have giga crit.
- we dont pull 7+ often.
primal gazelle
when you do higher keys, your tank starts pulling reaping into the next pack and it gets super fun 😛
lone junco
at least you dont rely on stealth g g g for your dps then.
spice sorrel
which would've been super tilting when all your damage came from garrote
lone junco
and you can fok for days
onyx wind
I presume EB is a lot better now because of reaping?
lone junco
civic forge
that and now we can use more traits
triple EB was kind of an all in type of thing before
primal gazelle
@spice sorrel youre gonna have to gauge that yourself imo, ideally, garrote 3 big guys, and rupture 1 small dude thats low hp, gives full energy, then fok endlessly until less than 50 energy, at which you will rupture another dying add for full pts
onyx wind
I see
spice sorrel
yeah that's true
primal gazelle
tbh sometimes i wonder if garroting 3x is even worth the energy vs reaping but idk
spice sorrel
on opener?
onyx wind
How many EB traits do you need to run this
primal gazelle
ya i feel like they die before garrote fully ticks off anyways but i dont have the math to back that up
primal gazelle
and casting 3x garrote takes 135 energy, which could be spent on fok instead, but who knows
civic forge
that's kinda why i want to try a non ss/subt varient and go for MA and some other traits
civic forge
when i get on the mdi realm i'm gna mess around with the build a bit since i'll be able to use w/e gear i want there
spice sorrel
might want a NP or DD then (idk what the combos are for gear). you could get some extra ST that way as well
lone junco
maybe thats wrong. I havent seen it ironed out like that though.
primal gazelle
You’ll def 100% want SS tho for the rest of the dungeon
lone junco
onyx wind
I mean ideally you would just keep energy up with rupture snipe no?
lone junco
yeah 7e per tick garrote costs 45 so 7*9 = 63
at 18+ that means 2-3 ticks less to break even. or ~14 seconds.
onyx wind
Also it deals a shitton with SS
hollow stone
But garrote doesnt give energy for unused ticks when the mob dies. Only rupt does that
lone junco
right.
onyx wind
It must depends on the AoE situation
hollow stone
I didnt read all the convo. So maybe im irrelevant lol
lone junco
the shit ton dmg is only for the first 3.
spice sorrel
yeah unless you vanish
onyx wind
Obviously you wouldnt use more than the first 3
lone junco
yeah. seli doesnt garrote after the first 3.
tbh. Just thinking about the ramp up without 3g.
in fat cleave.
maybe g r tab g. would be the other option.
onyx wind
Think u make up with ramp up with tricks+stealth
So u can get dots up before they start taking heavy
lone junco
the q is what is fastest time to full E cap.
g g g r fok fok r fok fok r. fok fokfokfokfokfokfokf.
or g r tab g r fok fok r fokfokfokfokfokf
lone junco
I like the 3gs. but idk.
onyx wind
I would go 3g aswell
lone junco
probably depends on if you only have 1ss. vs 3.
hollow stone
Maybe im off here still. Are you guys discussing running subt without ss for energy?
onyx wind
Just opener on huge pack with SS and subt
lone junco
nah. just the fastest ramp up for dps on a zombie wave
onyx wind
and EB
hollow stone
Ahhh. Gotcha. Tldr is it worth ggg on reaping?
civic forge
no one really knows. my gut feeling would say no
hollow stone
Because i agree. It doesnt really feel like it is
civic forge
but at the same time reaping comes very slowly most of the time, so getting it out on the few thats close is probably still ok, but ignore garrote after it all piles up
lone junco
in trash I usually only garrote the elite or big mobs anyway. cause i want duration. if shit dies too quick, I picked the wrong one.
onyx wind
I mean you can all argue about how it feels
But i think it comes down to how your group deals with AoE
hollow stone
The early spawns usually get blown up tho. It might be worth to chill and get 3x garr on some of the slower casters to bring them into the aoe and likely get more g ticks cause they arent the ones being blowed up
serene basin
like its definitely worth to get a subt->garr on bigger reaping mobs
if you dont though, its not a big deal
hollow stone
For sure
serene basin
smaller packs will fall over
and you prob dont even want to triple garrote
just fok env
misty remnant
Me after i replaced my 385 with a 400 weapon
https://i.imgur.com/i5vWF83.gif
my latest gif
serene basin
yea rupture the big ones
hollow stone
Or just play outlaw 
serene basin
outlaw this week seems like the move tbh
onyx wind
I guess its outlaw season
serene basin
sin reaping is just extra work
when u can just play dancing steel and BF to victory
fickle obsidian
onyx wind
i presume its just elvui
hollow stone
Its elvui. Yea
misty remnant
CORRECT, made in aftereffects
ebon current
Did Nothing Personal jump ahead of Double Dose on Patchwerk sims recently? or have I just been stupid and not paying attention
ebon current
Ive always had 1 rank of it, but now sims are saying 3 out performs 3 DD
misty remnant
for some reason simming tells me it's better with out 3x NP 400 item
ebon current
Im about to just take 1 trait of DD, Treach, NP, SS, Echo, and some other random thing and just roll with being covered for everything. Getting tired of gear swapping
real bay
i use 1 SS, 1 DD, 1 Blightborne, 1 NP, 1 TC, 1 SoB .. my chest piece sucks
thinking of ditching the TC tbh
ebon current
If you can get up 2 ruptures w/ SoB.. its better than TC. Hell even if you only can get 1 its still like 150 Agil
TC is such an underwhelming trait. I really hate it
real bay
wasnt talking about m+ monka
serene basin
wasn't talking to you omega
dense delta
is outlaw the way to go now in m+ ??
civic forge
it's easier to gear for so it's the common spec to play in m+
lost sentinel
I prefer sin still
dense delta
and dmg wise?
lost sentinel
no issues so far
lost sentinel
my 3eb+2sob+1ss build is pretty fun to play, does high sustained damage, and can burst down reapings
other people are using TTK instead of SOB, I don't have that luxury to try out yet
civic forge
depends on your gear setup
with 3 eb build you don't really rup for dmg, you rup snipe low hp targets to get energy back
lost sentinel
can get a few ruptures, but also can use exsang to get the energy you need to spam
modest badge
if u got 3 echoing blades can assass keep up with outlaw on reaping pacts or close too it?
hollow stone
PSA: when looking at trait stacking on bloodmallet or herodamage, look at the increase per stack, not the end bar. This is especially important for np. The first np has so much value that it makes it look like triple stacking is bis. But the increase for stack 2 and 3 is less than the increase for 1, 2, and 3 dd
civic forge
@modest badge it's very gear/situationaly dependant. in ideal circumstances yes
ruby oxide
My gear lined up that my only double dose gear also has NP...I'm running NPx3 + DDx3. Felt weird at first leaving SS+Subterfuge, but the master assassin opener feels really smooth too
hollow stone
Dont lie to the man. Even with 3 eb, outlaw will beat sin on reaping. Overall dungeon dmg is another discussion @modest badge
weak oak
since dagger in the back requires you to be behind the target, should i take twist the knife just to be safe since you arent always behind the target?
swift prism
@spice sorrel this was way long ago, but I figured out my sim problem lol -- sorry
last rune
pvp talents on sin?
last rune
Aint nothing there @swift prism
last rune
happens to the best of us
last rune
aight dw bout it
true fulcrum
How do you snipe low hp targets with rupture?
rich linden
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true fulcrum
How many combo points? Is the amount of energy given back proportional to how much time is left on rupture? At what point is the amount given back greater than the amount spent on the rupture?
heavy skiff
Just put a 5cp rup on a low hp add
This will fill ur energy bar to almost full
Yes it depends on the duration remaining
true fulcrum
Is it worth it to snipe with 3-4 cp
heavy skiff
If u dont have the energy to do another fok and then rup yes
But only if u are alreadt starving on energy
If u still have just do another fok to 5cp and then do the rup
true fulcrum
Thanks XeoX
strange python
Hey guys is it possible to cast both vendetta and galecallers boon to a macro ? i ask because vendetta has a longer cd than the trinket and may not always be up
heavy skiff
Yea there is no problem in using a macronto it
Just use it one with vendeta and then on cd
If u have to deley it once cause.of movement then justbremember to cast it later
strange python
alright thanks !
outer ruin
Looking to do some time-evalulation of gold-per-effort farming the Engi mount in motherlode. Wondering what folks think about rogue solo farming it. I know hunters are the preferred class for this. Anyone think this is possible as rogue? I have both outlaw and assassin builds and unsure if there's a preference between them. Also if anyone has done this already, is it better to kill all the groups? Or just vanish and wait each pull?
robust thorn
If you're going to Vanish spam, it's probably better to be Outlaw for reduced Vanish CD. Right? Maybe?
outer ruin
yeah that was my thought. But if I have to kite. obviously sin is better. just spitballing. probably just have to hurl my body at the problem and see what is even possible
civic forge
@primal gazelle you think a 415 dice is better than a 400 of that mekka trinket?
for the 3eb build
primal gazelle
what’s your other slot? But probably
civic forge
atm i'm running 400 of mekka trink and spyglass
primal gazelle
If I use mekka and spyglass my average crit gets to 50% lol
Including buffs like unstable, weapon proc etc
civic forge
right. i've gotten up to 60%+ when i have spyglass/6 oci of that trinket + a crit elemental whirl proc x3
since im running 3 whirls instead of other traits atm.
it's hard to say how much ilvl or stats you sac in order to just stack crit. like i could wear a 400 crit bracer or my 420 non crit bracer
primal gazelle
I’m referring to average crit over the course of a dungeon, not peak crit when everything procs 😛
civic forge
oh my b
primal gazelle
You can just look at details of the average crit of your spells
At end of a dungeon
I def wouldn’t sacrifice 20 ilvls for crit tho
civic forge
worth to fok on st at 19/20 stacks?
got round 42% avg in that run
need to mess around with gear and stuff a bit more
idle ember
Do you save vanish for adds on m champs? SS x1
supple hearth
@grave elk #off-topic #wow-general
spice surge
If you want to pad on the meters prob, otherwise probably not
scarlet wing
adds are dead before shrouded hit 15 seconds
spice surge
But i dont actually know, my guild had enough dps so we've just zerged it without ever killing the adds even first week
Well designed boss
spice surge
Not this free imo, taloc was a much better first boss, as was goroth and garothi from tos/antorus respectively
This just has a few interrupts but otherwise literally nothing else
I'd argue that grong is a little bit too hard, but jadefire is pretty on point imo
grave elk
with 1 trait of EB do you guys fok on 2+ targets or 3+
royal lantern
goroth was a good first boss because you could actually wipe if people didnt do mechanics
same with garothi(but allready weaker)
taloc/champion......WQ elite enemys are harder then those....they could be a loot chest that needs 4 min too open and nothing would change
grave elk
whats the rule for EB? how many targets do you spam fok on with 1 trat vers 3 traits
echo crest
is crimson tempest still viable on m+?
royal lantern
@honest needle well....if you want dps opal, but you take wath your raidleader tells you too take
honest needle
ya i was just curious whats best
grave elk
when reaping comes out it feels so bad to have to rupture 3 to 4 targets before spamming ct tho. i can spam ct for like 3 casts then im just starved. meanwhile boomies and dh are just pumping lol
rustic ether
wait
why are you spamming CT
if you have 3SS 3EB you should be garr, garr, garr, CT, fok, rupture, fok rupture, and i normally have enough energy to spam fok for a few globals before the reaping gets thinned
if you have 3 EB your Fok BASE dmg will do more than spamming ct. its honestly nor worth spending cp at when youre at a net positive on energy
outer flint
Hows the alchemy trinket for assa?
echo crest
and still mastery and crit for m+?
flint jetty
Yeah crist mast for m+ And the alch trink is good just for ilvl and main stat but there are other better trinkets available at lower ilvll if you haave them,
crimson condor
Would you guys target harlan's dice or galecaller's if I do a blend of m+ and raiding?
hollow matrix
harlan's is almost never the wrong option
crimson condor
Thanks!
grave elk
Only renew crimson temp when dot drops to 2 sec? Other then that just fok into env for aoe right? Minus spreading ruptures
outer flint
Should I be stacking echoing blades? Or is it one and done like outlaws aoe
hollow matrix
depends if you want to do aoe dmg
runic oyster
Anyone wanna check my logs and tell me what im doing wrong? Im pulling gray parses and i don't know what changed
Zoobis-Tichondrius
grave elk
If someone can take a look at my rotation and let me know if theres any major mistakes I might not even realize im making. would be much appreciated. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/dwBqy38mtrKWMbDH#fight=1&type=casts&source=8&view=timeline
bleak star
@grave elk your opener is terrible bud
gilded cloak
Hey guys, i just dinged my alt rogue and are a bit uninformed and was wondering as i checked bloodmallet and saw that 2x of HMC would be better than 1 Guttripper and 1 Heed my call, but when i sim 2 HMC vs 1 GR and 1 HMC it's clearly defines that the later one is better, how come or simbug?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uoGX4PaRe5QwiS9JUquvat
grave elk
yeah idk what happened to the log. but i 100% garrote rupture garrote on that
@bleak star
so if u ignore the opener cuz i did it correctly
but any other advice or critique would be great
bleak star
Your opener with shoulder should always be garrote >rupture > garrote > vendetta > toxic blade > then normal rotation
grave elk
yeah thats what i did. the log somehow didnt get it correctly. cuz i posted right after the kill and i did the opener correctly. i dont know how it got logged incorrectly
bleak spoke
93 ilevel parse it was probably alright
bleak star
Also looks like you’re not looking correctly around your evenoms
grave elk
what do you mean?
bleak star
Pooling * sorry on phone app and auto correct is terrible
grave elk
oh no worries. yeah i actually just talked to someone other day about pooling cuz i didnt understand if i was losing dps by pooling to 100 energy or not
how do you correctly pool for envenoms so i can learn that
bleak spoke
you can hold at 5 cp until you're nearly capped on E before you envenom
grave elk
yeah but say with TB or Vendetta up i just push out the spender right? so i dont waste the CDS
bleak star
During vendetta burn through energy
bleak spoke
so you sit at like 3 or 4 cp
yeh during vendetta just spam lol
so you sit at like 3-4 cp like a few seconds before tb
bleak star
I’ve got three double dose traits so pooling for evenoms is super nice
bleak spoke
just make sure you don't cap
and then you want to tb envenom mutilate until 4-5 cp, sit there until elaborate planning's about to run out and then envenom again
grave elk
gotcha okay. yeah i need to get better at knowing when tb is coming up so i can plan around it
bleak spoke
mutilate to 4-5 cp and then sit there again
just never cap energy
or cp
or rather sit at cap
grave elk
yeah i def do that a lot.
bleak spoke
garrote's a lot of fkn energy
you're more energy starved than cp starved espeically with decent crit
grave elk
idk how to control that since i try to always spend tb immediately on cd unless im doin a mechanic
bleak spoke
use your pandemic windows
also if there's like 6-7 seconds left of garrote but if you were to interfere with yoru tb window by refreshing a bit later and tb's coming up real real soon, you can just garrote right then
even though pandemic is 5.4 on garrote
don't make a habit of shit like that tho
gilded cloak
For sin ST is 2 HMC better than 1 Guttripper and 1 HMC?
bleak spoke
like wasting a second of garrote is much better in poison builds than losing an envenom or a DD muti in a tb window
heed is kinda whatever
bleak spoke
yeh mine is dogshit lol
bleak star
I’ve got a 96 parse but that was 12 ilvl ago lol
bleak star
Guild made me switch back to hunter for mythic prog feelsbadman
bleak spoke
haha they tried to make me play lock again but then i played assa and i think it's clear i'm substantially more competent on rogue
so much to be said for actually caring about the class you're playing imo affecting performance
bleak star
I mained hunter bit conviced them to let me swap cause I hate bm and mm was shit at the time
bleak spoke
yeh lots of my buddies are so happy mm is good again lol
bleak star
But our other hunter left the guild so here I am lol
quick ice
I've just accepted my regular bench status
7 melee in guild and taking 2-3 to Rasta prog
bleak star
Were melee heavy too
bleak spoke
At least there’s always a place in m+ for us
bleak star
But have two really really good mages and locks
One of our locks has like 99 parses on every fight
dark barn
Anyone try the Dungeon Slice sim yet?
flat lion
Should I go crimson tempest in M+?
bleak star
@flat lion depends on the affix / what dungeon
hollow stone
!ct
prisma monolithBOT
There is no specific week or affix that makes one or the other more viable.
CT vs PB is mainly down to your group, the dungeon itself and your pull sizes, with PB naturally having an edge in boss fights.
It's mainly the combination of affixes and dungeons that favour one or the other. High Tyr KR/Temple favour PB in general, due to low pulls and harder bosses.
In terms of Exsang vs TB; Exsang wins since it works well with SS traits and it's only 1 global on your priority target for some burst damage and extra energy.
TB usually locks you to that target to gain the most out of it.
frozen gorge
Is it really worth to use exsangue versus reaping wave ? Instead of spam fok/rupture?
hollow matrix
my bet, is you probably will have another class in your party that is able to do more burst aoe than you for reaping, even if that isn't the case I still think reaping is nearly an nonfactor (for most dungeons at least, of course key lvl matters)
humble flare
if you are running DD, is it still optimal to use garrote out out of stealth(having subterfuge spec'd) or is using mut out of stealth with NS for example more optimal?
hollow matrix
i think SIN is just good at doing sustained aoe and sustained ST, not really gonna beat other classes that will dominate aoe bursts - Kinda like 'Jack of all trades master of none(but pretty damn good Jack)
indigo mulch
pastel vault
yeah
drifting stump
hey guys is the azerite trait Footpad worth to take for a weaker Stampeding roar alternative? or better just take Impassive Visage?
real bay
more useful than visage imo
move speed is always good
@humble flare if you have subterfuge you always garrote
keep it up on boss always
drifting stump
thank you
full pagoda
@rapid sandal dependa what's the content you'll do. Hatse/crit is for raiding mainly and boss fights, while Crit/mastery is for M+.
rapid sandal
Mostly raiding, just a weekly m+ (maybe)
I figured gemming crit would be more ideal since almost every fight has either adds or some form of cleave going on
full pagoda
Well I'm using equipment manager so I'm switching between what I need for the content I'm chasing.
And I guess that with gems comes to personal choice, but not 100% sure about it, I'm still getting haste and x1agil. Gem
rapid sandal
Luckily gems and enchants are fixable on the fly
I'm more worried about azerite...
Since I'm not sitting on extra sets at themoment
full pagoda
For weapon enchant you shouod always get your highest secondary stats. It's usually quick and deadly navigation.
What pieces you've got
rapid sandal
Gonk outrunner shoulders, head from first boss dazaralor and deathstalkers jerkin
real bay
for me it's no where close to worth to gem 1x agi
rapid sandal
shoulders are the worst
Scent of blood is double the DPS of twist the knife for addfights
twist the knife is double of scent of blood on single target
T_T
rapid sandal
its not that i mind swapping gems, i just want a semi-optimal build for most encounters in raid
since thats where i spend my time
think i'll just run twist the knife for now
real bay
I use a combination of one SS and a mix of others, works well even tho simdps is a tad lower
waiting for another 1st boss helm
dapper zodiac
after your opener, do you guys wait for vanish + garrite to come up until you use vendetta again?
with only 1 SS
or do you instantly use vendetta off cd
rose perch
you should wait for vanish
and then for all future vendettas they'll be lined up for you
dapper zodiac
because the first vanish is a bit delayed
its fine to wait for it
?
because i have
2x NP
on azerite traits
idk if its fine to wait
echo geyser
Any assa m+ players got recommended traits in dungeons? Currently running 3x SS 2x EB 1 Treacherous
echo geyser
worth dropping an SS and TC for lets say a DD/twist + Sob
echo geyser
Yeah if u can get restealths its really solid
what u think about DD vs Twist the knife tho?
DD for pure ST i guess, and twist for prio dmg in aoe
wild ledge
Not sure either are that relevant in most trash pulls
Depends on dungeon and affixes I guess
But I’d just use DD for the bosses
Don’t drop an SS for sure tho
echo geyser
Alright thanks for input
dapper zodiac
would you guys rather keep 2x Nothing Personal or swap one out for 1x Treacherous Covenant 1x Nothing Personal
full pagoda
@dapper zodiac Spoke with a pretty decent guy in the group here previously and NP is good and better more than one trait on intermission bosses like mekkatorque, but TC is more consistent let's say, it's more safe choice
Like 2 NP would be better on Mekkatorque
I would go with TC and NP x 1
I already am actually + 3 DD
dapper zodiac
hm
full pagoda
For me NP is just a burst, higher burst and that's all, x 1 trait still returns energy so, x 2 is just higher burst
dapper zodiac
im just worried if have to play mechanics in a boss fight, im not in range to do dmg so im thinking that NP is easy dmg on the target compared to TC where i have to stand all the time near my target to keep my dps up
NP is basically a small garrote
in a +30% dmg situation
ahhhh
full pagoda
well NP is just connected to vendetta? So how are you gonna dmg it's like wasting a whole vendetta if you have to do a mechanic
while TC is basically a passive buff when you are above 50 % hp
dapper zodiac
yea but im talking about the basic atks
you dont get that much value out of it
if youre not in range for your auto attacks
where NP just gives you flat dmg increase
in a small window
you just have to watch to use it off CD
and your dps should be fine
thats how im thinking atm
but im not sure
ruby oxide
If you're using vendetta at a time where you can't have as close to 100% uptime as possible, you're blowing it for no reason other than to arbitrarily use it on CD
And you're wrong
full pagoda
But the whole agility out of the buff which is like you have a whole bonus item increases the dmg of all your dps anyway, therefore your rupture and garrote do more dmg. I am really not that good but I just find it so much better than NP overall. Even if NP x 3 shows highest dmg on bloodmallet/herodamage. Logically it's just a burst for a small window to me.
dapper zodiac
yea youre right
ruby oxide
There are a lot of things that are burst in a small window. DPS isn't a straight line from start to finish. it's peaks and valleys. The goal is to have the highest peaks and the least shallow valleys you can so the average line drawn at the end of the fight results in the most DPS possible for the fight window. Having higher peaks helps accomplish that. Master Assassin gives you 50% bonus crit on 3 global cooldowns. just some burst in a tiny window, but it makes peaks higher and gives you more damage by the end of the fight
fleet fossil
Any pro tips how to improve uptime of dots ?
misty hedge
raidbots say to use 2x nothing personal, is it worth?
ruby oxide
You'll want to swap to master assassin with that gear, imo
misty hedge
ok, but 2 nothing personal?
wild ledge
It can be good, depends on your other traits I guess
Read a bit above there’s some discussion about it
I’d imagine a TC or knife is better but depends on your other traits
misty hedge
on the same ring i can pick covenant
wild ledge
What’s the difference on sim? TC is probably the safer play, assuming you maintain uptime. People talked about this exact situation a few lines above tho, take a read of that
wild ledge
I’d probably play TC cos the value is higher as soon as another targets introduced etc
If they sim the same
But 🤷🏼♀️
flint jetty
Nothing personal is quite good. Previously is wasn't rated that high on hero damage because haste wasn't taken into consideration. But if it Sims best for you then generally speaking it's a safe bet that it will perform better for you. Idk what you put as uptime on TC before sim but I've noticed, depending on the fight 80-90% uptime seems normal so maybe adjust that and see if it says the same.
wild ledge
Even if they sim the same overall in reality it might just depend on the situation, if you value higher burst during Vend then NPx2 is more useful, and TC has situations it will be better too
As long as you understand the constraints of the sims then it’s fine, they are both close so depends on situation imo
People also mentioned above on fights like Mekka with downtime during intermission (allowing Vend cd to come back) then NP increases in value
warm geode
so this is the meta now https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iHHR1QNNWXNyrQ6fGRiiLH ?
btw i dont have it
full pagoda
@warm geode I wanna kms, those trinkets maaan
warm geode
buying shoulder for the gorak @_@
full pagoda
Galecaller's Booner is prolly better if the same ilvl as dead eye but harlan's dice is always a must (which I have neither of them)
Using Galecaller and another trash trinket
warm geode
this spyglass is better then mine 400 base galecaller
amber talon
How many rupture do you try to keep up simultaneously on packs? I remember the number of 3 during legion, is that still accurate ?
wild ledge
Did somebody say Galecaller?
full pagoda
How many ilvls a spy-glass from the WQs can jump? Is it there a restriction?
wild ledge
There’s no limit, just rng
wild ledge
?
novel condor
current best spec?
wild ledge
Raids Assa, M+ Assa or Outlaw
full pagoda
@dapper zodiac Sometimes sims can't take many factors into a consideration, it really depends how many and which traits you've got
warm geode
@dapper zodiac there is a dude with 3 SS exsg build over 25k
full pagoda
and talents
strange python
SS is much better in M+ too
novel condor
what does outlaw better than assa for m+?
warm geode
big pull damage, not just reaping
assassin need traits like EB and SS, can only get 3 of each with luck on random azerite
strange python
Doesn't need much build up either
warm geode
sin is , i belive, more stronger then outlaw, but need specific traits and we cant get that easier
strange python
Boss dps is still a factor to play in, accounting for mini-bosses aswell
looking at you, KR
novel condor
may be a stupid question but what is faster to level from 110?
warm geode
paying for lvling at freehold
strange python
Get a prot warrior that is über-geared to just run you through it
novel condor
im twinking my rogue because i got sick of my war xd
novel condor
ye i know a boost is fastest but i need to do the story anyways first time on horde
in bfa
strange python
Well then just do the zones one by one, Horde feels pretty fast first time you do it
novel condor
ye but would outlaw be better for that?
strange python
I'd say Sin
wild ledge
👉
full pagoda
Guys, do you think galecaller is still a good choice for M+ and specifically this week with Fortified? Cos I currently can't reduce my haste but I've been using Galecaller (380 ilvl) and Forest Lord's Razorleaf (400), could switch with Azerokk's heart (380) or Invocation of Yu'lon (420), I just ain't sure for M+
wild ledge
Still galecaller imo, invocation is dogshit from my small experience running it
full pagoda
Invocation is best at aoe situations and it's still uber garbage I know ;(, feels fucking bad, LF some more opinions if possible
I feel like if the active was with like 1 min cd or something, could be considered but yeah
wild ledge
You really want to get your hands on a dice from freehold
Really reliable and good in every situation
dark crag
For me with ma 400 plumage and 415 mekka sim best, plum+ 400 dice are a little bit behind it
wild ledge
It’s annoying how bad raid trinkets are again really, only really beating out 400 dungeon trinkets at 415
dark crag
And don't forget how annoying mekka trinket is, the sound is the horror
full pagoda
Yeah and I thought some of the raid trinkets would be considerable and blizzard would kind of fix their mistake (if could be counted as one) but it's the same again as s1
warm geode
i just acepted, dice 415 locked on my gear till end of raid
wild ledge
Same trinkets all expansion : )
warm geode
got before first pull at championof the light(mythic) and already knew
bleak spoke
415 dice I expect to keep until next tier haha
Unless a nicer spyglass comes around or I get mekka trinket from mythic maybe
warm geode
@bleak spoke dat nick name :lul , so true
dark crag
I am happy that i got a dice at all
bleak spoke
Yeh dice feels hella good
Seli made a point about consistency with crit trinkets tho
But until I get those trinkets it’s whatever
warm geode
dice 415 spyglasse 405(socket) and galecaller 400, same dps weight for me
0.2 for more or less
full pagoda
All the dices I've got were like 370 -.-
bleak spoke
Yeh I have a 415 dice 410 spyglass and 400 galecallers
full pagoda
@bleak spoke You will burn in hell 😄
bleak spoke
When I play sin I play dice and galecallers
You want to see how many dungeons I’ve run this season homie
dark crag
I forgot to run siege at all, did one +10 first mythic week
warm geode
first mythic week i got 60x m+10 runs @_@
dark crag
🤔 no guild mate got a siege key
bleak spoke
https://i.imgur.com/jvzJ4Qu.png that's not the end of the list it goes on longer
freeholds
i feel like the joker
"YOU WANNA KNOW HOW I GOT THIS DICE?"
warm geode
at uldir i got my dice from a dh who give it to me
full pagoda
@bleak spoke Ok, I am done LOL, will be quite
Speaking of dice https://gyazo.com/920a80c6673b7879b6719bea571540d7
bleak spoke
😉
dark crag
Spyglass would be nice, time to go siege
bleak spoke
yeh the spyglsss feels really good
bleak spoke
idk if it's actually more damage but feelycraft has value too imo
dark crag
It has agi, it has crit and doesn't make beep boops
bleak spoke
but the power of beep beep boop boop!
dark crag
1 stack beeps, 6 stacks boops, lost stacks skreech
bleak spoke
yikes haha
dark crag
1 sound around every 10 secs
bleak spoke
honestly sounds shit to me cuz i think sound queues are what warn me for danger the most
dark crag
Best wa sound is the sonar beep
bleak spoke
like the bigwigs sound happening at random times because of random things that aren't scary is my biggest pet peeve lol
full pagoda
well
I used to have DBM but once I switched by demand from my guild to bigwigs and got used to it I definitely like it more, it's clearer, less text and it's just better imo
polar timber
when using exsang do you refresh garrote and rupture early before you use it out of opener or full cds
serene elbow
why has herodamage & bloodmallet nothing personal as best trait, but whne i sim myself with raidbots (same talents) other traits are always better/simming higher than nothing personal ?
vestal wren
bc. its only #1 due tot he very high value of the first trait
#2 and #3 of the trait give you decent but not nessecery stronger results to other traits
your mistake was to see all 3 ranks as a whole instead of looking at the individual ranks
serene elbow
no i get that but for example, a 2nd tait of NP is +815 while first trait of Treacherous Covenant is still lower with +789?
on the other hand the diff is like 60-80 dps so i guess it wont matter anyway
bleak spoke
@polar timber I will overwrite ruptures under 20s with a five point one usually and a garrote that’s under like 12 or 13s immediately after that rupture
full pagoda
Anybody using any stealth macros?
brisk forge
Why tho?
hollow matrix
Anyone know exactly how and why MA starts to win over Subterfuge/SS?
Is it just higher stats(ilvl gear) in general make it stronger and stronger?
Is it just simply higher Mastery or Crit or Haste or Agi - or would it be a combination of them like say, high Mastery/Crit with some adequate amount of haste?
Curious if anyone has some insight
fresh idol
https://gyazo.com/e5a6aa6e14669a0bc1a39df627178ce9
with a socket 😄
karmic ingot
It started win over subterfuge when blizzard nerfed SS damage by like 40%. It’s been simming slightly higher since then and as far as I’ve seen, the gap is not widening, so it’s not a scaling issue.
ruby oxide
It's definitely more correlated with trait synergy than anything else
warm geode
@fresh idol why agi gem?
ruby oxide
Maybe to use with Outlaw and Ass? But if that were the case, I'd just throw Crit in there, since it scales higher than agi for both specs
warm geode
crit or hast, work for boths
fresh idol
its bad? Should i go for haste? @warm geode ?
ruby oxide
A lot of people seem to be a little behind the time and think that it's still mandatory to have the 1 unique main stat gem, no matter what
warm geode
@fresh idol u can simm best gem at raidbots, most of time agi is third best even 4º some cases
ruby oxide
You should go with your highest scaling stat.
Generally you see haste>crit>mastery>agi>vers. But once you get ~25%+ crit and are at ~15-20%+ haste, mastery starts to scale harder.
Make sure you install the SimulationCraft addon and use the output from that to sim on Raidbots. It will help guide your gem/enchant/gear swap choices
fresh idol
Gonna check, thanks for the tips
warm geode
mast>=hast>crit>vers>agi
simm everytime
every ilvl/traits/talents can change ur weight
ancient compass
What weapon enchants do I use for DD TB build?
lone junco
and crit will be top in cleave with that weapon.
if you dont want it flopping back and forth, its prob crit haste.
novel condor
is the tick dmg of rupture per sec lower with low combo points?
or is just the duration shorter?
and does evasion work when hit from behind?
warm geode
no, yes, idk ( prob not )
novel condor
why is it important to hit rupture with 4+ points then?
brisk forge
uptime
warm geode
saving energy to, is 25 all levels ( 1 to 6 cp )
candid jasper
Given you have boon and golden plumage, which one should you use in the opener?
ruby oxide
I don't have an official answer to that, but I prefer to line plumage up with vendetta and boon w/toxic blade
smoky fiber
find a different trinket so you don't have two on use trinkets tbh
steep obsidian
Maybe he’s been unlucky?
brisk forge
or hasnt grind enough xD
steep obsidian
I dunno what the sims do but 2 on use trinkets sims well from memory
Especially as both of those are good
candid jasper
I have lots of trinkets
but right now, boon and plumage is simming highest
is the sim wrong?
smoky fiber
no those two definitely sim the highest overall but running 2 on use is kinda aids
steep obsidian
Did you read what I typed? I said it’s probably better then you think it is
hollow stone
Its ok. And id plumage for vend
steep obsidian
And you can sim it fine
hollow stone
But try to get a dice or deadeyes if you can
steep obsidian
Yar
cold rampart
what is stronger double dose nothing person or nothing personal double dose?
hollow stone
It does give some extra flexibility with gcb too which is nice. You can use it when you know for sure that youll get full duration
They are the same. Trait order doesnt matter
cold rampart
ok thx apple
golden relic
Double use, yikes
steep obsidian
Aaaarrrgghhhh
golden relic
You are essentiallu losing a use if u do that aswell
Whats the cd galecallers goes on when u use plumage
hollow stone
Yea. Its suboptimal but its what hes got
golden relic
Like 15 sec
So every 4th galecallers is wasted
No
I mean
Idk but one use is wasted essentially idk the cd for when u use an equip, forgotten
steep obsidian
No one said it was optimal you guys are annoying sometimes
golden relic
I mean you said 2 on use sim well
In what scenario, the one where u have nothing else
steep obsidian
No I said it sins better then you would think
Let’s stop talking about it coz it’s dumb
steep obsidian
Ahuh
hollow matrix
@steep obsidian i think sin is better too. But yea u gotta use what u got - just pay attention to your CD's in raid for the first couple pulls of each fight(if prog'n) so you can take a mental note of how to optimally time them as best u can after
bleak spoke
Two on use is pretty horrific given most trinkets line with vendetta and the internal cd is the duration of vendetta
Someone in here has a setup with galecallers and berserker juju or whatever but those can apparently be activated together
bleak spoke
Yeh I think you snapshot it with exsang or something and it sims good
I don’t remember who though, possibly noobe?
strange python
That's incredible priority burst tbh
nimble skiff
is there a trick to shrouding past the first packs of temple?
royal lantern
distract
nimble skiff
Alright, thanks!
atomic willow
do most agree with the recommended ST and Multi on this wowhead link? https://www.wowhead.com/guides/assassination-rogue-azerite-traits-powers-armor-bfa-battle-for-azeroth
i mean looking at Bloodmallet you would think 3 DD and # Nothing personal
at least for ST and the Multi looks lbest with 3 SS and 3 EB
hollow matrix
@atomic willow I'm not the resident expert, but I would wager most would tell you it's never going to be cut and dry which to use, if all you are specifying is generic ST or AOE. Truth is it matters what kind of ST fight is it - How much uptime do you have on boss can be a big factor. For AOE same thing - How many adds, how long is the fight going last, is their any priority targets in the group etc.
Not to mention what kind of gear(azerite/trinkets/and the rest) have the RNG gods decided to bestow upon you is almost certain to effect how you optimize, as usual. So many factors tbh (current m+ affixes just came to mind as well)
spice surge
The wowhead guide considers more than just the outer 2 traits
Which means sometimes overwhelming power makes a trait such as ttk better than np+earthlink
hollow matrix
If you aren't trying to hard optimize, then you probably would do just fine for ST some mix of DD/NP/TC for AOE 3x EB and 3x SS - SoB isn't terrible here either, also TtK if you want to do some prio dmg and pretend you are a Kmart Legion Subtlety roguerino. Maybe worth noting also that Blightborne Infusion seems to be great for both, in general. For 3rd Tier Overwhelming Power is probably always going to be bis for ST, also performs well for AoE from what i hear, otherwise for AoE 3rd Tier you could go Gutripper/HtC/Elemental Whirl
I have seen someone suggest Azerite Globules for AoE, but all of my previous knowledge from both testing and other people's experience - it's fking garbage (mostly cuz it took foreeeeeever to pop, but maybe its better?or good for very high keys possibly idk)
Best of luck hope this helps, sorry if it doesn't @atomic willow
vast glacier
I should start using Fan of Knives starting on how many targets? Ravenholdt guide says on 3-4, Icy Veins says to use on two...
vast glacier
So, without Double Dose I should use FoN on 2 targets?
hollow matrix
yea i believe u are right
solid nova
EB not DD
solid nova
2+ if EB, RH guide assumes you don't
You can also sim 2 targets to find an accurate example for your gear
crude pivot
Hey everyone. How do I make wa for garrote glows when it's buffed by subterfuge? I tried additional trigger and it works but when one of the targets has buffed garrote and I'm attacking another one without any of garrotes (I mean buffed or not buffed) it shows "?" icon with "inf" text. Or if i switch to target with not buffed garrote then the first target with buffed garrote stop glowing. How can I fix it?
vestal wren
there is no easy way to do that without custom code
i think the easy solution would be to start a timer with the garrote duration and the target name as text for each application
vestal wren
i am not sure how you can store the information for each individual target with conditions only
crude pivot
I took custom code from https://wago.io/B1ecrIo4X
and copy trigger to my wa for garrote, adds glows in conditions and it works for single target but with few targets...
rustic ether
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
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https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
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crude pivot
I found it https://wago.io/ByPIbMmR7
seems like it works
vestal wren
nice
prime totem
i have 3 pieces of azerite with shrouded suffocation, should i be taking those over double dose? i thought having 3 shouded suffocations was best, but when i sim it, it tells me to take 2 double dose and 1 shrouded suff
lone junco
depends on ST vs M+
prime totem
mainly play this guy in the raid, but i also do M+
rustic ether
SS is no longer bis on St its bis when theres multiple targets like grong
sand whale
whichever you want, you can play 3ss or change it it won't make that much of a difference when it comes to progression
I have played with 3ss and 1ss + DD
3ss on cleave = awesome
prime totem
ok thanks 😃
sand whale
ps I'm lazy I keep 3ss for m+ but shh don't tell my RL
hoary crown
Can any1 tell me how to open up on bosses like Rastakhan when there are 3 adds from the start with No shrouded suff skills and playing with MA ?
honest mica
There is no good way other then picking one target and opening.
I tried full ST traits and MA for a while and there is very few bosses where it came out on top for me.
I now run essentially ST traits with one SS for mythic prog and will see how that goes.
frank fjord
Does mastery dynamically effect bleeds?
like masterful navigation procs
on a target that is already ruptured
frozen karma
Yes, it updates every tick I think
proper dagger
spice surge
Sim
dark crag
Show duration when ruptures up, glow when pandemic, wooble/grey when missing
No fancy coding needed
robust lake
i like color changes thanks
umbral meadow
So envenom is my combo point spender, and i just want to make sure i keep up rupture
right
stable pine
!guide
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/
umbral meadow
yeah
i read it
i was just confused because i didn't know if i should be using rupture as a combo point spender
i don't play sin
full pagoda
Can somebody clarify something? Is it better to have haste and crit/mastery almost to equal stack or let's say increased mastery for the TB/DD build?
polar timber
whats the consensus for ct vs pb
solid nova
!ct
polar timber
in dungeons of course
prisma monolithBOT
There is no specific week or affix that makes one or the other more viable.
CT vs PB is mainly down to your group, the dungeon itself and your pull sizes, with PB naturally having an edge in boss fights.
It's mainly the combination of affixes and dungeons that favour one or the other. High Tyr KR/Temple favour PB in general, due to low pulls and harder bosses.
In terms of Exsang vs TB; Exsang wins since it works well with SS traits and it's only 1 global on your priority target for some burst damage and extra energy.
TB usually locks you to that target to gain the most out of it.
polar timber
hmm
nimble skiff
Has anybody used the last-boss buff cheese on temple lately? Is it patched?
desert vault
what stats do the crafted 415 rings give?
was thinking about leveling up jewelcrafting maybe
spice surge
Random, so basicly whatever you want
Assuming you have enough materials to craft until you get the one you want
And socket is always guaranteed as well
supple hearth
as a JC lemee just say its expensive af
rustic ether
i want to make another one as my current one i made yesterday was haste vers
round harbor
@primal gazelle https://gyazo.com/22a7704588e7c74de124ea3d9f6fcea4 guess im farming m0 every week
thats 10target 40 sec
no cds
round harbor
thought about spam buying 385s on tuesday, b ut i need the residum for raid gear
i might be able to get that one back
primal gazelle
aim for the long game imo, IO score can wait
round harbor
i cant reemember if thats the one i chose or not
i mean the 375 is nutty by itself
its more having the trait than the ilvl i think
round harbor
3eb/3ss vs what i have on 3ss/2eb/1tc
the helm im wearing in that sim is 400ilvl. so i would guess the 375 cowl is even stronger than the 4151 version of it
for massive aoe specifially
primal gazelle
does that matter? i thought fok just hits everything
round harbor
yeah it does
but in like two target cleave or something that is far away and about to die its nice to refresh
although i guess u probly fok in 2t with 3eb
primal gazelle
yeah lol
round harbor
anyway
so nice
tracks all cc's and can whitelist things like dead and the pvp trinket n shiut
primal gazelle
does that work with name plate addons like plater?
primal gazelle
I’ll check it out
primal gazelle
But I think I can just add the dead eye debuff on my platter settings
round harbor
about to eat dinner but after i tihnk we got a few people to blast
ill msg u if we got room for sure
primal gazelle
Kk
my average crit in dungeons a little over 50% with dead eye and mekka trinket 😮
round harbor
I don't got mekka
I'd be running deadeye and razzashis
Probly
Maybe still deadeye and plume idk
grave elk
if i have 1 DD trait does that alter anything about the normal rotation
round harbor
modern smelt
Whats the fight length for bloodmallet sims? Trying to decide if NP is overvalued and dont want to run a massive amount of different sims for different fight length breakpoints if the data already exists
grave elk
when can u pop a 2nd prepot
sour wraith
lust usually
iron zinc
is wowanalyzer a good website to see how to improve based off your logs?
fast forum
2nd prepot would need a very long pulltimer
heavy skiff
is it worth to try to keep uptime on envenom buff in aoe like reaping?
i know the guy up in the video doesnt say anything bout it bun idk
it feels like its worth to me xD
grave elk
does feint work on pakuu wrath? or whatever grpin on bird is
civic palm
grpin... it works on AoE DMG only if you have not taken
rose perch
Paku's wrath is AoE dmg though so should work without Elusiveness
grave elk
kk thats what i thought
primal gazelle
lol some rogues are actually taking master poisoner this week for the snares?
im seeing a few on top freehold logs lul
steep obsidian
snares?
primal gazelle
crippling poison 60% isntead of 50%
grave elk
on Rastakhan do u guys fully open on the adds? or wait till rasta can take dmg?
steep obsidian
id say the difference between 50 and 60% isnt really that noticeable though?
maybe im missing osmething
bleak spoke
@primal gazelle it might be more damage in aoe
like i doubt it is but
with the way we stack mastery and crit
if you take the poison funnel with the TTKs
rustic ether
i can either buy a chestpiece at 415 ilvl and HOPEFULLY get a SS EB (i already have 400 SS EB, OR i can buy another 415 shoulder and hope its the SS EBB (i already have 415 BI SS). im having conniptions on which i should go for
primal gazelle
depends if you care about m+ more or raid
round harbor
buy helm
imo
chest is easy to get ss/eb from raid
shoulders and helm are harder to obtain
primal gazelle
rawr, guess whos r1 in freehold for dps 😄
round harbor
lol
rustic ether
ah i actually got the helm with SS EB firsty try :3
round harbor
what did u end at
primal gazelle
40k in game 31.3k logs
round harbor
dope
so in 16 atal i did 34k as outlaw/ 30k as sin with pb, we about to see with hk
hb
differetn group and differetn pulls, but we shall see
im lower crit than you aswell
only 400 ilvl when i wear this shit azerite though lol
primal gazelle
the r2 guy under me uses 3 EB 2 SS as well, finished dungeon same time as me, but im using HB vs his CT 🤔
primal gazelle
LOL
round harbor
but i dont evr use exzsagn
grave elk
just got my 2nd Echoing blades trait gonna sub out SS and Twisted. gonna feel good in m+
more spammy spamm
rustic ether
i wouldnt trade out SS if i were you
grave elk
i have 3 tho?
rustic ether
3 is amazing
grave elk
i believe i sim higher
rustic ether
eh go for it, i just prefer a third SS over another EB
grave elk
well with 1 eb i dont even notice anything
so i just assumed with 2 it might be better
strange python
Is HB only worth with 3 EB?
primal gazelle
in a 21 UR rn, 291 deaths kms
rustic ether
3SS and every single dungeon other than MAYBE WM garrote is by far my biggest dmg
HOLY FUCK DUDE
grave elk
ya im still trying to figure out if CT is worth over poison bomb
rustic ether
that just costed you like 10k gold though
Ct always worth
reaping makes it even more viable
grave elk
yeah im simming aroun 19k now in dungeons for overall dps in dungeon so im getting there
primal gazelle
you dont repair after you die..
rustic ether
you only ever consider PB if your comp is running high aoe already and you NEED some ST
primal gazelle
cost me like 500g
grave elk
i cant tell if 19k dps in a dungeon for the whole thing is terrible or ok lol
rustic ether
what level?
grave elk
12's
rustic ether
top tier is normally around 30k-40k
grave elk
fuck me
rustic ether
depending on dungeon obvi
grave elk
well im 394
primal gazelle
im 402 bro
rustic ether
i also have 3SS 2EB 1BI
primal gazelle
🤔
primal gazelle
its okay im cheating cos i have 8 sockets lol
rustic ether
yeah thats silly xD
@primal gazelle so HB and TB huh?
is that what you normally run? lmfao
primal gazelle
yes
exsang doesnt really do that much in aoe anyways, rather have TB for the priority dmg and ST on boss
full pagoda
Yeah well I still am not sure regarding PB and CT. I've heard CT is just for padding, while PB is bonus when you spam fok into envenom for faster ST kills? I just don't know when and what to pick, and now even HBs?
Can somebody that is 100% accurate explain when and what you use?
primal gazelle
ive explained it so many times here already lol feel like im beating a dead horse
use whatever your heart desires
rustic ether
@primal gazelle how are you utilizing HB? waiting for a certain breakpoint in stacks or just dont even worry about
primal gazelle
i dont think about it
rustic ether
so just let it stack when theres down time on like bosses and running around and shit, but other than that normal rotation of spamming it
rustic ether
interesting, any specific dungeons you only use it on like freehold? i assume not KR or Tos etc.
primal gazelle
all except kr/tos
rustic ether
ill try it out for sure, interesting to see someone using it
high versa i assume which i dont have tho lmfao
rustic ether
oh so you have 0 haste hmm ok
primal gazelle
only my gloves and neck have haste lol
full pagoda
Nice crit 
rustic ether
speaking of stats guys, do you even listen to sims on stat weights? i keep simming and its like "MORE HASTE BRO TRUST ME"
primal gazelle
for ST i follow it ya
rustic ether
like ive given it 16% haste and 20% crit and its still like no dude a bit more haste fuck crit for m+
rustic ether
tbh thats pretty good
round harbor
primal gazelle
how much is the average without hb?
mine boost from like 4k ish to 6k ish with hb
round harbor
err not sure
bleak spoke
i think hb is actually good on ST
with 2 EBs it does more than pb
they're 400 EBs too not even 415
earnest token
So people are playing HB over CT in m+?
wide bolt
!ct
prisma monolithBOT
There is no specific week or affix that makes one or the other more viable.
CT vs PB is mainly down to your group, the dungeon itself and your pull sizes, with PB naturally having an edge in boss fights.
It's mainly the combination of affixes and dungeons that favour one or the other. High Tyr KR/Temple favour PB in general, due to low pulls and harder bosses.
In terms of Exsang vs TB; Exsang wins since it works well with SS traits and it's only 1 global on your priority target for some burst damage and extra energy.
TB usually locks you to that target to gain the most out of it.
timid cradle
is there a list of m+ skips anywhere?
wild ledge
Do you mean with shroud?
timid cradle
yeah
wild ledge
Cos there’s a huge amount of packs you can skip, any pack without stealth detection
Common area are stealthing from start of freehold to first boss
timid cradle
yeah, but theres a lot more common ones
wild ledge
Stealthing bridge before 3rd boss in Shrine
Not sure they’re rigid enough that someone will have compiled a list tho, there’s many options
timid cradle
I guess
wild ledge
I usually shroud start of freehold to first boss and kings rest from start to the gong that summons trash in first boss room
Atal can be used to skip the horrible pack before totem boss
Can do some stuff in motherlode before final boss if you don’t death skip, but there’s a few stealth detecting robots there too 
Can also use in freehold to get from final bridge to final boss without pulling any trash there
Depends what other skips and what % you wanna pull I guess
marsh hare
Is invocation of yulon damage boosted by toxic blade?
charred wedge
well simcraft took me for a spin:/
storm drift
what talents are good for pvp
storm drift
ty
wide delta
hey bois, is there a WA that auto tricks the tank w/o taking him into target or have him in focus target?
wild ledge
I got 2 tricks macros, one for focus and one for mouseover
Can’t really have a WA cast it, probably better to just set tank to focus for m+ or just mouseover prepull during raid
wide delta
well for some reason my focus target does not work
im using Elvui
and i cant see anyone to a focus target
no idea why
wild ledge
Do you have neural silencer buff? That prevents tricks being used and it’s confused me before
The buff that protects you from grips, swapblaster etc
wide delta
where can I check that
https://wago.io/r1jW3Oo2G i found this here but no idea if that works
wild ledge
Your buffs
If you’re that worried about not casting it could could probably macro it into someone else, using focus
But just make a bind, doesn’t need to be that accessible, used out of combat mostly
Imo
vernal shadow
Can I ask the best usage of Vanish with Master Assassin? Should I try and line it up with TB similar to the opener? Or just pop it ASAP?
vernal shadow
Thats what my gut was telling me
olive moth
echo