last time I checked ...depends on lenght of fight
#assassination
polar bridge
Oh last question. If I'm at four combo points do I use finisher inside of elaborate planning window or get to 5th combo point.
polar bridge
Hmm ok. Seems like rng usually has me using 4 point finishers back to back on openers it feels weird.
spice surge
Its in the guide in the pins ^^
sturdy python
Some people still dont use it even if it sims better becayse they like Subt
Just giving you the thought to look at
buoyant coyote
its in que
Subf sims higher
so... ima go blood rite then cuz the traits i got is useless
spice surge
You didnt swap to the set without SS that simmed higher
buoyant coyote
im not a rich boi
buoyant coyote
uh....how do u switch traits on raidbots
spice surge
Go to the reforger, next to the guy where you buy weekly coins
buoyant coyote
I meant raid bots xd
spice surge
top gear is the easiest
bold trail
Just click on it? In top gear
buoyant coyote
oh like that
i only have 300k itterations cuz im a poor boi
So basicly. GET gud azerite items
So use the titan for random 400 to start with
scent is so low XD
i see now
buoyant coyote
Eh I dont wanna play with MA tbh, did some dummie testing and it feels wierd xD
might skip that DD on pelt for a SS just cuz it feels so smoother
royal lantern
its one of our best traits for m+, you want too stack it for that
royal lantern
double dose/nothing personal/covenant
sleek temple
is it the vend one and mut ?
spice surge
Herodamge.com has a good list where you can check out how good a trait is
sleek temple
ty ty
buoyant coyote
yepp my azerite armour is fucking shitteee
but i got 415 helmet that is bis 😄
kinda dumb how world bosses have best azerite tbh
rich linden
anyone know a great website/video showing the best opener?
buoyant coyote
just read the guide and pratice it
rich linden
forgot about pins
buoyant coyote
feels so wierd without SS 😒
rich linden
what does this mean: "no SS powers for toxic blade"
as in the damage from TB wont effect SS?
civic palm
more context
rich linden
under the pull part
buoyant coyote
SS = Shrouded Suffocation
rich linden
yeah
"No Shrouded Suffocation powers for Toxic Blade"
on the website http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/#rot under pulls, its a bunch of "No SS powewrs for ___" or "One or more SS powers for ___"
buoyant coyote
yea...this feels so odd...been playing with SS for like months!
buoyant kraken
so i sim about 130 dps higher with 3x dd and MA than i do with 2x dd 1x ss and subterfuge. How reliable is MA, and would it be more worth in the end to take a dps loss for subterfuge?
buoyant coyote
and now its really fucking wierd without it
wish I could reset my cd's during dummies somehow
ocean rampart
It's the rotation when you don't have SS traits while using TB talent @rich linden
buoyant coyote
is there a way to macro vendetta with galecaller?
rich linden
@ocean rampart So if I have 2 pieces with it, then i follow the opener that says one or more?
ocean rampart
Yes.
rich linden
Thank you!
sleek temple
is it good to stack nothing personal or just get one for the energy reg?
buoyant coyote
i would say do not stack that ^^
civic palm
Only 1 NP if you can.
buoyant coyote
might just sac some dps to get my SS xD
for the nicer opener
some haste item sims higher now
versed mica
Uhh, herodamage.com is suddenly saying that SS w/ subterfuge and exs is the best
But when I sim it SS is always the worst trait ever
ST I mean
civic palm
ever?
elder gulch
civic palm
Mastery does not influence trinkets anymore (after the idiocy that happened during Legion).
buoyant coyote
for me it works well
hollow horizon
Hey, im kinda new at sin rogue and im noticing that my energy generation is quite low, do i need higher haste or is that just how sin rogues are?
warm harbor
For jade fire masters mythic better to save vendetta/vanish for first set of multi sided first buff or just pop on your opener?
royal lantern
@hollow horizon assassination is really slow, 2nd lowest APM in the game right now with frost dk, its pretty normal too have a few dead gcd's
it gets faster when you have higher haste etc....but not by a large ammount, its just pretty slow
except in aoe where you play on the gcd
royal lantern
looks good imo
buoyant coyote
my 400 is just wank
hollow horizon
Okay, im getting kinda bored waiting for energy, would outlaw be better or is it too much of a dps loss?
buoyant coyote
I dont like this azerite at all tbh
royal lantern
outlaw is......a bit like dh, you spamm the same skill 10000x, but its fast
RIP ME
outlaw sim
hollow horizon
i do like the playstyle but everyone says i should play sin since it deals way more damage
buoyant coyote
tepid haven
buoyant coyote
my stats are so bad xD
need to get better azerite pieces due to 370 not being gud nufff
tepid haven
your azerite is not too bad but imho, but you need way more haste for raiding, for m+ it should be alright
zenith gust
My sims for m+ tell me to go with 20% haste. St sims tell me to go with 16%.
civic palm
hmm
lusty narwhal
Do you guys reckon running 3x DD - 2x TC and 1x NP for grong is better than 2x DD 1x SS 1x NP
Could probably pad more with an SS on the adds hey
steep obsidian
that aint pad
lusty narwhal
Lol I know they need to die, but Im asking if you reckon you could push out some more DPS by using those traits instead
for Logs
steep obsidian
well add dps is as important as boss dps on that fight
if its prog who gvies a fuck about your parse
do what you need to to get the boss dead
in all seriousness though you can go look at a bunch of logs to see how other rogues are using their cds on the fight t compare
i think the add spawn lines up well with vanish though
lusty narwhal
yeah they do, dead on basically
swift prism
yo wtf - Nothing Personal makes Vendetta break stealth
steep obsidian
lol that is good to know
lusty narwhal
Probably because of the damage compotent right lol
swift prism
yep
lusty narwhal
makes sense
quick ice
Same thing used to happen with the old vendetta gold trait in Legion too
swift prism
why do they do this to us
tepid haven
because fuck you
did you really think blizz tests any of the shit they spit via patches?
steep obsidian
im pretty sure it didn't happen with the aritfact trait in legion butt could be wrong
quick ice
I think they changed it so it didn't?
round roost
qq regarding the Mizerok SIN Group WA: how come i get a big giant "OI" flashing in white on my screen when i use it in M+ or Arena's? Anyone know?
onyx rock
Because you dont have your Poisons applied
round roost
already checked that - i do.
onyx rock
Hmm.. like Mizerok would say: O _O
quick ice
Oi should show up if you only have DP applied, I think?
swift prism
yo if I Exsang a 5CP Rupture, do I wait to reapply until the final tick hits, or do I refresh early?
quick ice
Do not refresh early
civic palm
Correct the OI! and Poisons are two different poison checks.
round roost
right - i get the OI! even with poisons on. At the training dummies, the WA works flawlessly. In arena and dungeons, i get the OI and have to "pause addon" for it to go away.
I still get the CD timer, but the bleed tracker doesn't work.
civic palm
Sounds like random weirdness, nothing in there that excludes things from working due to instance/grouping, mostly all combat/notCombat stuff.
round roost
so looking through it, it looks like it does a check for "Crippled Poison"......in arena when i run wound, i wonder if thats what its triggering on?
civic palm
Correct, checks for DP will probably update that tomorrow, or in a moment.
Who knows.
Also those are the other way around but adding wounding poison would fix that ezpz.
round roost
gonna try disabling in this next arena and seeing if that works
ok so that didn't work - i had to delete both poison WA's for the message to go away......wierd
civic palm
I am updating it now, they're very weird now that I am remembering making them.
this one checks for crippling...
this one checks for Deadly or Wounding
round roost
no worries - i'll redownload them tomorrow after i get out of these arenas. I just deleted them for now cause i reapply poisons (as habit) for arena.
civic palm
mhmmm
steep obsidian
you should charge people for support miz
civic palm
They still don't DM me like the instructions say > _>
civic palm
They've tried to give me money already, don't want any of that.
steep obsidian
yeh
cold glade
I'm a night elf. when I cast garrote out of shadowmeld, I get the bonus combo point and bonus damage from Shrouded Suffocation, but not the bonus damage from subterfuge. Is this a bug?
civic palm
Intended.
cold glade
that's really weird. They both have the same wording, but one works differently?
civic palm
Shadowmeld gives access to stealth abilities, but doesn't put you in stealth, whereas Subterfuge is triggered by you leaving stealth.
They're just mechanically different.
You can re-enter stealth from Shadowmeld in dungeons outside of boss encounters though > _>
cold glade
ok, but the damage component from subterfuge doesn't trigger on leaving stealth
civic palm
Subterfuge requires Stealth to trigger.
cold glade
only the 3 seconds of stealthed abilties does
civic palm
¯_(ツ)_/¯
cold glade
is this confirmed intended somewhere, or is that just your best guess?
civic palm
It works that way, until Blizzard says otherwise.
steep obsidian
if you got a free vanish there would be no other choice for rogue racials
having t at something that is cool but not stupid op is the way racials are meant to work
civic palm
if SUB/SS/EX end up the best talent/trait combo there's already no other option > _>"
swift prism
I'm playing a nelf assassin rogue right now - can confirm - Sub does not activate on Shadowmeld until you press "stealth" after melding. This does not work on any boss fights.
steep obsidian
ahuh
rancid bobcat
Giphy is also bad but
It's not tenor
Tenor is only bad cause discord is forcing it
I wonder how much they're paying discord
I wonder what company is gonna buy in next
steep obsidian
twitter already using it i thought they used to use giphy but maybe i was wrong
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > mastery > vers >= haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.
shy drum
!stats
woeful citrus
nothing personal vs treacherous cov? i do arena as well.
Also have neither of each
brave gyro
In M+? With SS:
Garrote x3 (on different mobs) > CT
FoK > Ruptures (up to 3/4 I usually do)
FoK > Env (while keeping CT up) @shy dust
shy dust
Thanks!
brave gyro
On reapings I CT more than env
shy dust
wasnt sure how many targets to rupture
brave gyro
you get way overcapped on energy beyond 3/4
dont forget: rupture deals the same damage no matter if 1 cp or 5 cp - more cp change only the duration
so dont be afraid to throw some 2/3 cp ruptures
FoK only on 3+ targets
and no point to CT on 2 targets (do it on 3+)
if reaping is coming up, save vanish
so you can garrote 6 targets
raw tusk
Any tips for a new assasin rogue?
brave gyro
quick ice
read the guides, maintain your dots, make friends with an M+ tank who knows to not pull until you're out of combat
obsidian sierra
Does vendetta trait stack with all aspects of it?
Or just the dot
Just wondering if i should bonusroll on 1st boss mythic today or not since i already got pretty good 415 shoulders from azerite vendor with dd and vendetta trait on ut
Or is tc on 1st boss head on 2nd ring beside vendetta trait also good?
I just red it had a nerf
@shy dust for m+ (i play with 3 eb, 1ss , 1 scent) i open with 4 gerrote, 1 fok, 1 ct and after this i just use fok and rapture as a spender except ct is about to run out. I pulled between 70 minimum and 120k max dps on reaping waves
But its also important that your tank and all otherw uses kick and stuff to pull mobs as close as much together
junior seal
i think it's a pain loacating the high hp mobs in reaping wave's and garrot them, my other teammates wrreck the low hp in like 2 globals, not doing uber high keys yet thou.
might have to get some better enemy name plates , maby some thing if they have over 500k hp they a diffrent color , if thats possible
ruby idol
You can change nameplate colors based on name with most nameplate addons
For example for me
Lost Souls are purple, tormented souls are blue, and risen souls are red
junior seal
aha !
ruby idol
Lost souls are almost always the highest hp targets, theyre the smashy ones
junior seal
thats cool aswell wich one's you use ?
ruby idol
I use kui
junior seal
usiing elvui's own atm
ruby idol
P sure elvui has that functionality
junior seal
oki i have used that addon before, will look into it ty !
ruby idol
Just havent used them in a long time
junior seal
yeah should have.
ruby idol
helpful for explosives too, like next week explosive nameplates will all be orange for me
junior seal
😃
obsidian sierra
@ruby idol im sure u played outlaw whats your dps average on reapings?
ruby idol
Uh i guess it depends
I pay more attention to overall dungeon dps rather than pack to pack
But i guess anywhere from 60-200k depending on which reaping pack it is
obsidian sierra
Ah yeah i mean i just need smth to compare. For example overall im mostly always top as assa , over dhs booms mages . Im just wondering if assa is that good or my mates were just not the best in the keys
ruby idol
I mean
If youre using reaping wave dps to justify how strong a spec is
Youre actively not critically thinking
And i dont mean that as flame
obsidian sierra
Nah i just thought its one of the important aspects right now isnt it? I know boss dps and generall pack dps is also important
ruby idol
Id argue reaping waves are the least important part of every dungeon
Like obviously they need to die, but theyre super non threatening compared to basically any other pull
So sustained dmg is good to clear them efficiently but any sort of burst cds are usually better used on actual trash
But ya, thats why overall dmg is a better indicator imo than reaping waves
Dmg to lost and tormented souls is a good indicator also
obsidian sierra
Ok i see. Yeah i mean actually what i wanted to say is , is assa still as good as outlaw for mplus since i really often hear ppl say they want outlaw but my experience shows im still topping meters as assa
ruby idol
Both specs are fine
obsidian sierra
So dont know why ppl want outlaws that bads maybe just a mainstream thinking?
ruby idol
Outlaw is just incredibly OP in the right hands
Im suprised the outlaw craze has trickled into pugs so quickly considering none of the big streamers are really playing it
obsidian sierra
It was already in last ss when wits came there were a lot of gros i got declined since they especially wanted outlaw
I just saw on rio a lot ppl play it, also ashine played outlaw on all his recent keys when he mostly never played it last ss
ruby idol
I gotta find the clip of ashine flaming the NA brains for playing outlaw hahah
obsidian sierra
I remember some time ashine said he really doesnt like outlaw cause of randomness and then seeing him play it on all recent keys says a lot
ruby idol
Moral of the story, assa is fine, outlaw is just the best spec in the game for keys rn
But that doesnt make assa not good, if that makes sense
vestal wren
outlaw is just extremely good for the seasonal affix
obsidian sierra
Yeah i will see when it comes to mid season what will be wanted for mid- high keys (speaking on the equivalent of 18 s i played last ss) since i dont want to play a spec that gets declined on 50 perc of pugs
ruby idol
Im honestly shocked that you have groups asking if you play outlaw or assa and declining if you say the wrong one
How many times has this actually happened?
ruby idol
This is different tho
vestal wren
it was early legion to tos
even tho outlaw was better ppl wanted you to play sin
tos to end ppl didnt care
obsidian sierra
Not really asking directly they just decline after some mins and when you ask „hey you search rogue as its written in your desc why decline me?“ they say we need outlaw
Or just writing in desc outlaw especially at all
ruby idol
We need outlaw lmao wut
vestal wren
outlaw atm is just insane in numbers
ruby idol
Bro find some homies to play with
obsidian sierra
Or asking in disc „apics you play outlaw?“
I have some but i mostly play in the night since i have my own family which just allows me to pug
strange python
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
ruby idol
Like pugs are gonna depelte cause your tank randomly dies way more often than cause you missed the timer cause of lack of dmg. Assa is better at protecting tank
That mindset from people forming pug groups i will never wrap my head around
cobalt gyro
if you're pugging 100% of the time if you're going to miss a timer, it's not because of lack of dmg
ruby idol
Put simply, if a group is declining you because you play assa and not outlaw that group is garbage
Even tho im like the biggest outlaw fanboy and dont play anything else in keys rn
obsidian sierra
Haha
cobalt gyro
I only play assa in like, temple rn
obsidian sierra
I see
I really like assa in mplus with 3ebs some pretty numbers flying around
Its fun
ruby idol
And as i get more traits and can play around with all 3 specs, im sure there will be dungeons i end up thinking assa is even better than outlaw in. The dust just needs to settle
But for right now while reaping routes are still like works in progress, outlaw is king thats all
So keep playing assa my dude
sand canyon
simply because Sin > Law. Dmg Reduction, Silence, Slow + more consisntent aoe without needing the crit buff to shine. 415 3x eb , ss, thats how rogues gonna play endgame. ppl just dont know how to ramp up as sin on reaping and are flashed from law cause of the 6s burst into aoe. played both in max gear on Ptr and tested enough.
obsidian sierra
Yeah sounds good boys so i will get my head free of the need to get extra outlaw gear for now 😄
sand canyon
you dont need. outlaw for sure is really really good especially reaping helps it. but when ppl disocover the power of 3xss 3xeb and how to ramp up the neergy correctly so u also blast 200k on aoe. its not gonna be a question anyway since u also bring the grp more, then law does.
obsidian sierra
Already saw how 3 eb is fine even if one of my pieces is just 370. so wondering how it looks with full gear later
sand canyon
if u have 415 3xeb ss, big daggers and high mekka trinket, u gonna see its gonna be meta and giga consistent.
no rng, no rolls always blast.
obsidian sierra
I had my peak on 120k yesterday with 404 gear
sand canyon
i had 300k on a reaping wave
consistent
burst was 600 on shrine but idc about burst/shiny numbers for 2-5s its about especially in highkeys 20s-40s packs what matters
have a great day
dont let ppl tell u u have to play outlaw lol.
obsidian sierra
Huge numbers - yeah you also , thanks for advice
uneven summit
Enlighten me... EB?
strange python
Echoing Blades
uneven summit
ahhh ofc
obsidian sierra
Just from reading tooltips and not even looking at actual sims i would not know why i should take any trinket from the raid over one of the dungeon trinket
Like spyglass is extremely good or dice
Plus use trinket plumage or sots
sand canyon
u want to play spyglass+gigavolt 3xeb 3xss 30%+ crit mark the words
swift prism
Engineering helm any good for us?
fallow estuary
How does the API uses mechka ? on CD with a few seconds delay to get max stacks?
sand canyon
ofc u wanna stack high crit obsvl because eb uptime
i did in ptr weeks testing
its giga difference if u go 60%+ (with trinkets etc) or 50% like u get much more procs u blat every global on aoe thats how you do ez outlaw dmg while consistent without relyn on crit buff to smack super big
obsidian sierra
I see. But not prefering a use trinket for bosses or priority mobs?
sand canyon
the gigavolt is ON use trinket also thats why its so broken
on prio u just vendetta exsang
obsidian sierra
Or so no trinket macro anymore just use it when its on full stack
raven mica
Wait how the hell am I supposed to end up with 3x SS 3x EB
sand canyon
not always but pref on 6 yes
raven mica
Without some giga luck
obsidian sierra
Chest from conclave and then pieces from vendor
sand canyon
you get from hc/mythic chest rest u play m0 (not even kidding) its good enough and u buy in 4weeks with residum head, then 4 after the shoulder.
have to go now guys enjoy
obsidian sierra
On shoulders there are 2 i guess and head only 1
raven mica
You can’t buy a specific 415 with 4 weeks of Azerite farming......
obsidian sierra
So might be a bit lucky
sand canyon
ofc u can u should have 2k already. and every week u get 1k+ in weekly chest already.
bb
raven mica
You get 800 from doing a 15
obsidian sierra
See you
raven mica
And also no, I have like 1200.
obsidian sierra
I mean you can do it in 4 weeks if you have luck since 400 scrap gives 110 already
sand canyon
it doesnt matter then its 5 weeks doesnt matter u have it in 2-3months full its fine
obsidian sierra
I got 5 400 this id
raven mica
Don’t fuckin matter cuz a fuckton Of outlaw traits are good anyways
obsidian sierra
Mostly ace OR ds plus wits
raven mica
4/6 are good, 2/6 are good to stack, and TC works just fine
Unlike how EB and SS work
weak isle
rose sapphire
hows the opener with master assa
royal lantern
its in the pins
winter gale
Guys
I saw Doom's Howl Vest sims best for us on chest piece on BloodMallet. But on journal in game there is no that one extra trait row. Can anyone explain me
brave gyro
What the fuck @weak isle 😂 Now that's a dead slot until next raid
dark crag
Use herodamage
royal lantern
you can play everything in a +8 key lol
brave gyro
@strange python Assa is fine. I would go CT on +10s or more if pugging. Otherwise its small pulls and trash dies too fast
strange python
yeah I know you can play everything on +8
I just wanna know if I should play assa or outlaw
for m+ and raid
dark crag
What do you like more?
brave gyro
If Raids > Assa
If M+ > Outlaw
If both > Assa
(this is my opinion, not fact)
I just love Assa too much. Its super strong in M+ either way
strange python
idk what I like more
brave gyro
just needs a tad planning
strange python
never got into playing assa really
but assa is better in raids right?
like thats a fact isnt it?
or did I just hear some wrong stuff from some guys
brave gyro
unless you are progressing mythic, it doesnt really affect that much what spec u play
you can get curve and M+ as Sub if u want, as long as you play well and know your stuff 🤷
strange python
well
I wanna be on top of the damage meter on my guild
so what specc do I play? lmao
spice surge
Assa is better at pure ST in raids yes
dark crag
Warlock
spice surge
When theres more adds its complicated
proper igloo
toxic blade or exang these days?
dark crag
strange python
thought about switching classes aswell yeah, but I wanna play something like feral and I dont have that lvled 😭
brave gyro
For BoD assa is definitely superior imo. Lots of time you can dot stuff and keep dmg on boss ticing
dark crag
Don't go feral
brave gyro
if u doubt rogues watch musclebrah on twitch
strange python
but isnt feral like a cheap assa rogue?
brave gyro
it is 
spice surge
If you want overall damage just play outlaw
brave gyro
overall dps is fine, but if u get stuck on a high tyrannical boss, overall won't help
strange python
true yeah
dark crag
Outlaw evens out on longer boss fights
brave gyro
again, both are viable, just see what you like more
spice surge
I mean, outlaw does more boss damage than assa
brave gyro
you can do great with both
spice surge
Since assa sacrifices a lot of ST dps to even do any aoe
cobalt basalt
we have azerite that has both Shrouded Suffocation and Echoing Blades?
dark crag
Yes
spice surge
Unless the fight is specifically 2:30-2:40
brave gyro
musclebrah is doing a +19 FH as Assa at the moment, so you can see what it does 🤷
cobalt basalt
@dark crag can u name it pls
dark crag
No
brave gyro
check the azerite gear vendor
strange python
I Dont see any streamer called musclebrah
brave gyro
and you can see them
dark crag
Look at the vendor
brave gyro
/musclebrahTV @strange python
strange python
hm
spice surge
If you wanted to argue assa does good ST damage then saying watch musclebrah watch 17k on a boss isnt the most convincing argument 😄
strange python
yea
real bay
that seems really low
strange python
ikr
blissful saddle
Lol
spice surge
Well, triple eb
real bay
but those bosses do take a long time i guess
blissful saddle
Still does more than most
real bay
yeah i use double ep double SS and do 20k,but a lot shorter fight
dont have gear for triple both yet
brave gyro
tbh, on that high keys, priority is surviving
blissful saddle
Love what shaggy gives you
royal lantern
reaping in tyranical is no problem when you have a mage/shaman/dh anyway lol
strange python
I Mean look he has 50k aoe dps, seems high but then think about what outlaw would have
royal lantern
i have 1xeb for dungeons this week, thats it
stuff simply dies too fast with other classes that have(too) much aoe dmg
brave gyro
i mean, he is pulling 180k+ atm
royal lantern
play a dh, pull 300k by pressing skill barrage
brave gyro
idk dude, its easy to say how one can do it better, but once you are in, there are more factors 🤷
royal lantern
im just trying too say that you dont need too go heavy aoe as sin and sacrifice so much st dmg when you have a dh that does more then enough aoe dmg in your group
and lets be honest, you almost always have a dh or frostmage in a key
royal lantern
well,not always, but you should build around your group, and most groups have more then enough aoe baseline
and if your group REALLY needs the aoe too get a reaping wave etc....down you are probably better with playing outlaw
brave gyro
I am on the opinion that both are viable, and people can do great with both **(both in raids and in M+) **
That being said, I personally mainly raid, and i barely have Outlaw gear. So I just maximize what i can do as Assa in M+ too, hense, going certain traits / talents etc. 🤷
smoky fiber
azerite reforge costs shouldnt be a thing
real bay
yep
royal lantern
it is, im sitting at ~40k right now too reforge 1x
brave gyro
I think it's a toxic circle of an "argument" to keep going back and forth L but assa... / but outlaw... so yeah
real bay
just like talents change in city
royal lantern
ofc both are viable, but both have situations where they shine
wich is how the game should work
brave gyro
exactly
strange python
I guess yeah
brave gyro
But that doesn't mean one spec is "useless" in the other situations
strange python
but I just want one spec to be better, so I know I will play that one
brave gyro
go Sub and become hokage
strange python
what? xD
brave gyro
its a joke
vestal wren
if this discussion is still about why not to play assassination in m+.
There is no reason not to, but outlaw just beats it esp. on not very high keys.
If the discussion about anyone beeing better reguardless, no outlaw is better bc. of the strong burst but yes you wont be terrible as sin either.
tulip mirage
brave gyro
Just do the best with the gear you have and play what you like imo 🤷
earnest token
Demonhunter
royal lantern
dh is really good for m+ and raids, idk about fury warrior in m+,dont see many warriors there but they do pretty good dmg this tier
and,well, rogue is always good cus of our utility
strange python
fury warrior? hmm
strange python
name, server?
earnest token
I mean if you are just looking at in terms of raid Spriest is pretty insane right now and if you play it right in m+ it does really good dmg it just lack utility
vestal wren
if you dont play in the wf race head on, play whatever you like
brave gyro
I mean, once you figure out what class you wannna play, join the discord and ask for details tbh 😂 idk why we are doing this in the rogue discord
vestal wren
if you want to be the "best possible always" you need to adjust
(unless you play dh, then you just play dh)
royal lantern
yeha, but play a class that is not rogue? zzz........
strange python
I know I can play everything but I just wanna be 1st in dps lol
vestal wren
if you want to have a secure melee spot
vestal wren
play DH
royal lantern
like you never did before, pad the shit out of everything
multidot the adds on the 1st boss, even when it kills your tank
and then blame the boomkin/afflock
vestal wren
if you want a secure raid spot, shadow or wl will do it
vestal wren
but keep in mind, shadow is atm very noticable overtuned, so its reasonable to expect a nerf sooner or later
strange python
is dh just a meme here or is it actually really good? xD
brave gyro
Im just waiting for the rogue buff 😂 we've had only nerfs since BFA release
its a meme, befcause its simple and really strong
vestal wren
the majority of "nerfs" where to azerite
brave gyro
true
vestal wren
reguardless of class/spec
strange python
true
vestal wren
from rogue only subtlety and outlaw got a straight 5% nerf
brave gyro
The memory of my gold remembers early Uldir, where every week full reroll or two on azerite gear 😂
main mirage
Am i wrong/bad to always use 1 x SS even tho it sims a bit lower than using 3 x of other traits for raiding? It just feels so bad not having ss
vestal wren
without the 5% nerf ranking would look somewhat like this (just multiplied overall with 1.05)
vestal wren
start of uldir
strange python
didnt sin also get 5% nerf?
brave gyro
That's what happens when they remove a core spec mechanic because it could abuse raid bosses 😦
vestal wren
no sin did not get nerfs
only azerite nerfs but even those where far later then for sub/outlaw (both sub and outlaw recived nerfs to azerite too in addition to the 5% spec nerf)
i think one of the reasons sub playrate is so low is that they removed all the core elements of the spec and shifted it to other specs/classes
it remains a somewhat functional spec tbh
strange python
sub feels so weird tho
just spamming backstab 3x or something or 4 then evisc
like so weird
then shadow dance every like 30 sec just to do the exact same but with an ability that gives 1 more combo point
vestal wren
thats fine tbh
backstab is a filler spell, and a lot of emphasize was shifted towards dance
issues i see is core elements that where introduced to the spec in legion where dropped in favour of going back to a more wod like gameplay
i also think outlaw would need a bit of change, even tho numbers esp. in m+ are atm very good
sin is probably the only of the 3 specs where the core spec works well and improvements could be made with azerite
cold rampart
vestal wren
what did the sim say?
brave gyro
Unpopular opinion, but combat > outlaw for me . At least bring back deeper insight, added much more depth to the spec
brave gyro
In raids it was fun, when you had to plan your insights and CDs based on bosses
things like Iskar Mythic, lining up stuff with your Ring
and red insight
on the packs
that's how i got my best rankings i've had
vestal wren
did not like it back then, but i prefere subtlety due to more complex gameplay
brave gyro
oh, wod sub was amazing. broken, but amazing 😄
vestal wren
it was amazing due to tier set, trinket and ring
brave gyro
i was just saying, i really enjoyed the planning of deeper insight based on fights
vestal wren
without those it was not better then current one, probably even worse
brave gyro
true true, tier set doubled your damage pretty much
at least openers
So many deaths at pulls, when that soul cap popped 😄
taking aggro and all
vestal wren
btw. sub was buffed significantly in the last tier iirc
else sin/combat would have remained the top specs
strange python
on conclave can you pop cloak prior to the first hex
or not
so you don't get hexed half your vendetta
or do i just need to delay vendetta
brave gyro
I mean, the hex is only 3 sec, i wouldnt say half 😄
I would save it honestly, it negades winds dmg
it can be very powerful
shadow parrot
sup guys, poison bomb vs crimson tempest this week, whats are you guys using ?
brave gyro
CT for reaping, but it depends on the dungeon and your comb - for example, i go PB for KR 🤷
mortal gyro
open reef
Sim
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deep spindle
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little cedar
!azerite
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burnt orbit
guys, i have problems with the aoe rotation in very big pulls like reapping, should i just fok and envenom or what
fallen bobcat
!stats
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bronze topaz
hi, why is tb used before mutilate in the ma opener? shouldt potentially fit one more envenome in the tb window if it would be mutilate - tb?
green vapor
is it ever worth running hidden blades in m+? how about if you have 1/2/3 EB traits etc
trail bronze
@burnt orbit Dratnos has a good video on that: https://youtu.be/ASqp6KxF94s tl;dr would be to fok and spread ruptures and ideally run crimson tempest and spend CP on that once your energy income is good enough
lone junco
@green vapor hb no. EB yes.
you can sim the dungeon slice to see if 3EB +HB ever wins, but i doubt cause PB will maintain ST value for the bosses.
patent tide
"AzeritePowerWeights" add-on is good ? never try
lone junco
you would need to get the weights from herodamage for the proper spec and build.
unfortunately, this doesnt appear to be a subterfuge option, with SS garrote values.
and you would need another string for M+
I just sim myself for each piece on the fly.
autumn stag
Is Nothing Personal over Double Dose if I dont have Nothing Personal on any other traits?
dry thicket
when using exsanguinate on a raid boss, do you delay exs for second vendetta or delay vendetta for third exs?
arctic night
Can u evasion on Opulence?
terse hinge
Of course you can. Just depends on what's going your way
spice surge
You cant evasion coin shower no
terse hinge
Was that the question? Well, no you can't, it's physical damage but not dodgable
manic cairn
!ui
pine badger
is there any way for a rogue to solo soak a coin shower on mythic?
does cloaks or evasion work?
pine badger
fairs well ill test it tonight
terse hinge
Well, according to WoWhead its unaffected by invulnerability and can't be dodged or reflected. So I assume nothing gets it off.
jagged gazelle
Does stacking nothing personal work?
candid jasper
royal lantern
well, you can stack it, but it loses much value after the 1st trait
jagged gazelle
hmm
tacit wing
sin best spec for this season m+?
cerulean walrus
Outlul has plundered the top spot
manic cairn
!wa
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obsidian sierra
@tacit wing we had a discussion about that with dad and musclebrah this afternoon you might scroll a bit up and you can read the PoVs was interesting
cerulean depot
Is anybody playing Hidden Blades in higher level m+ right now?
prisma garnet
can i ask how many shrouded suffocation traits are needed?
eg at least 2 or something
main blaze
wait why only 20 breaths of bwomsamdi for a mythic kill now?
stable oxide
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/woqfLh2MNvocEBhNUkRQaz Master Assassin now sims higher for me, and I assume it sims higher for the majority of the people if they dont use SS. Why do I see the majority of the rogues on warcraftlogs still use SS with Subterfuge?
fresh coyote
Not an expert, but I'm assuming ma builds with TB and ttk require higher uptime on boss and have lower aoe compared to SS builds.
stable oxide
Yeah okay, vanishing to multi garrote targets its pretty strong
So this would be better only for a patchwerk fight
fresh coyote
Exactly
Sims also assume a very high uptime on boss. With ss you only have to not mess up the opener and the vanish window
fresh coyote
No. But ma typically aims higher with toxic blades and ttk which I thought requires higher uptime of staying in melee range
lone junco
lol jaina
lone junco
rip Weak rogue
vestal wren
flowi is on rogue iirc
lone junco
yeah
vestal wren
the mage is a alt for quite a while now iirc
lone junco
i just ✂ cut him out
vestal wren
if rogue would be strong i assume he would be on rogue
deep solstice
Triple DD does well, but it will fall behind SS / Sub with any significant cleave
vestal wren
he has good pieces for it
deep solstice
I am kind of sad that exg fell behind. I enjoyed it in uldir.
vestal wren
both are fairly close
deep solstice
Even with double SS exg sims about 0.7% behind TB for me
I no longer run galecaller's (because I cant get one to drop) so that probably hurts exg a lot.
vestal wren
you could farm yourself a gc
if you want it to sim equal/higher
opener is slightly smother with 1 ss
i assume a lot of ppl will play with 1
deep solstice
I got pretty fortunate with my azerite. I can run 1 SS 3 DD or 2 SS 2 DD, so I swap depending on the fight
Anyone know if Exg affects the bleed from the conclave trinket?
havent tested it myself
stable oxide
I asume you want to go for 3xDD-1xTreacherous Covenant-1xNP-1xSS?
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deep solstice
Are a lot of people running NP right now just due to lack of options? It sims abysmally for me.
vestal wren
only 1st np trait is good
stable oxide
Yeah
deep solstice
Ya just saying even one sims bad, but I have DD, BI, SS on basically every piece, so probably just fortunate azerite on my part
vestal wren
i mean thats what sims for 😛 to have results for your personal gear lvl
deep solstice
ya I was just making sure I wasnt missing something with NP that sims dont account for
But ya I think it's the fact that I would have to give up either BI or 1 DD stack for NP that makes it sim so poorly.
arctic harness
Got a 400 GCB, that trinket really rustles my jimmies
Gonna have to farm a Plumage...
lost sentinel
plumage instead of dice?
nimble tartan
Gcb in 2019 😂
lost sentinel
hell yeah, got 405 GCB already 😃
nimble tartan
Join me as a yulon boy
The 1 true trinket
Im out here throwing dragons on my enemies
lost sentinel
I want loaded dice, I love how it can proc multiple times in a row
I mean, I already got 385s, I want 400+
nimble tartan
My first mythic+ cache of season 2 was 410 dice
dark crag
Dragon bois unite
feral basin
Is there a soft cap for sin in 8.1 for haste? or is to much never a thing?
my new stat weight pushing mastery ahead now, but struggling to get dps above 20k
astral star
Can you still get azerite pieces from weekly m+ chest?
forest marsh
No
buoyant coyote
I do know the guide says use DD for pure ST but this raid seems to have alot of "multi-bleed" so wouldnt running SS with Subf be better?
Sims says DD but i cant feel it
dark crag
Pad the add
buoyant coyote
like jadefire
buoyant coyote
i dont have 2-3 sets yet
JAde, opu, start of king, storm
you could say "jaina" if u say blocks
buoyant coyote
y
So wouldnt going SS be good as a "Middle ground"?
sure i lose 200 dmg which is like nothing
spice surge
Blocks on jaina lasts <8s, not enough to get good value out of vanish SS
Opulence what?
Then you might aswell just run fok traits
dark crag
The strength of ss is when you can vanish garrotte multiple adds that live long enough
spice surge
The fight that is best suited for that is rastakhan, but rogues are typically desired downstairs
Which kinda nulifies it
real bay
if you place the portals right its fine for range
dark crag
Jadefire is a good ss fight
strange python
!weakaura
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sage yew
a socket in a ring, the bis ring from FH, count as 20+ ilvl ?
trail bronze
first azerite gamble and I get 415 SS/EB shoulders!
sage yew
cuz i got the FH ring 370 with a socket and a 390 with no socket and the 370 sims higher
strange python
Do every one do garot -> garot -> rupture on opener ?
or garot multilate rupture ?
without extrangulate
trail bronze
with shrouded ?
strange python
yes
spice surge
Its in the pins
trail bronze
I do garrote rupture garrote vendetta tb envenom
spice surge
The optimal openers are laid out very explicitly in the guide in the pins
For every talent/azerite setup
strange python
which gem for Opulence??
icy ember
obtuse surge
I cant find the pinned message about openers
nimble tartan
Me take ruby :)
strange python
What ever boss I look at, almost everybody is runnin Subsef insteaf of MA. Why is that? 😮 No way everybody sim better with Subs instead of MA. Am I missing something
odd hatch
A lot of these people are likely running a shrouded suffocation trait
MA would probably pull ahead without it. It does for me when I don't use ss
supple hearth
@obtuse surge guides
Very first pin. Very first item.
strange python
Look warcraft logs and almost everybody have like 2xDD 1xSS and then have Sub
I even see people with 3x DD go Sub, I don't get it
odd hatch
Yeah 1 ss is why they're sub. The 3 dd no ss, I couldn't tell ya why
I heard the more mechanics you get the more damage you pull
real bay
getting mind wipe for 10 seconds without dispel feelsgood
fresh robin
dfa?ma?
odd hatch
Lmao feels great
visual quartz
most ppl its gear drop as well. I personally haven't found a single DD piece. I run 1xSS 2 twist the knife because its what I have
buoyant coyote
man i do not like cheap death
strange python
fh shoulder piece has dd and shrouded suffocation that has to be bis if you get it 415 right?
buoyant coyote
I wish they had something else of cheap death , it just a way to ignore mechanics...i prefer leeching tbh
echo cargo
strange python
But with 1xSS and 2xDD instead of 3xDD I sim 2k less dps
pseudo hamlet
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pseudo hamlet
There was a list which pieces of azerite gear are the best from Bod. I thought it was on the Raventhold website, cannot see it now, anyone know what happened?
K see it now, it's on http://www.ravenholdt.net/battle-for-dazaralor-a-rogue-dps-guide/.
spice ice
Does TB help Invocation at all? And does Vendetta also aid it?
safe matrix
@strange python not every fight is pure patchwerk, DD gets worse in AoE SS gets better
obtuse surge
Can i ask questions regarding the opener since there is something i dont quite understand
safe matrix
well SS is good in cleave, especially if adds lines up with vanish
Well you just did, but feel free to ask another
subtle dew
How strong Kimbul's Razor claw is ?
pastel wasp
i think SS is still strong
most boss fights have a 2 min burst window and not patchwerk fights
true fulcrum
How does prepotting work with sin? I thought we want to use battle potion of agility when we pop vendetta? Are we supposed to use a different pot before pull?
safe matrix
agi, before pull
true fulcrum
Why not on vendetta?
spice surge
Because if you do it before pull it wont trigger its cooldown
And you can get another one later on in the fight
safe matrix
yeah if you activate it before you get into combat it will go on cd for 1 minute, but when you activate it during combat it goes on CD for the whole fight
true fulcrum
Got it, thanks
safe matrix
So you do it 1 second before combat to get two potions over a fight
its the same as any other class
obtuse surge
Why are we doing garot-rupture-garot with shroud trait in the opening?
safe matrix
so you have a longer buffed garrote
"-Pandemic this term relates to reapplying buffs/debuffs. When a debuff (like garrote) is refreshed, its remaining time (up to a cap of 30% max duration, so 18x0.3=5.4s for garrote) will be added to the new buff. Primarily used to give leeway to reapply bleeds, however can also be used to make bleeds last longer." -the pins
obtuse surge
Ye i know, its was just to maybe garote and then get 4+ for rupture
safe matrix
nah
cause you're also recasting rupture, if you're doing exsang, it saves a GCD
and also GRG means you have one more second of buffed rupture
real bay
top gear sim
haughty mulch
So master assign or subterfuge?
stable pine
Depends if you are running SS? Sim yourself.
pallid spruce
sub
haughty mulch
I’m not, so I guess sub would be if I was just because I refresh garrote in the opener anyway?
rigid mango
Second SS or DD?
haughty mulch
I have one double dose, but no ss
rigid mango
Afaik, sub is better with SS(') but without any, you just go MA
haughty mulch
Gotcha. Appreciate it!
pastel wasp
i still prefer sub tbh
fresh robin
what do you guys think the best combination of traits for pure ST are atm?
3x mutilate then 1 ss 1 np 1 tc?
or is stacking tc best?
or even the vendetta trait > tc?
dark crag
but 3 dd is set
fresh robin
yeah 3 dd but then what?
plain thistle
1 ttk is algo very good
fresh robin
i see alot of rogues going 3 vendetta
fresh robin
yeeeah that first NP looks juicy
so i was just gonna aim for 1 ss, 1np , 1 tc just cuz not having SS for the opener feels so bad man
fresh robin
nothing, its what i have atm, 1 of each
dark crag
3dd + what ever combi of ttk np tc maybe even 1ss
fresh robin
whats ttk?
dark crag
Twist the knife
fresh robin
ah right
rigid mango
I mean I wouldn't go ttk
fresh robin
i forget the actual names, just call them by the ability most the time lol
rigid mango
NP is very strong as a one of
it doesn't stack
That's pretty much the ideal set up
fresh robin
really? blood mallet shows it does, and i see several rogues with 3 DD 3 NP
fresh robin
ah
im currently stuck with 3 DD, 1 TC, 1 NP, 1 scent of blood
but it could be worse
strange python
does galecallers and the vers trinket from kings rest share a cd?
fresh robin
yea, i tried making outlaw work but i just hate having terrible boss damage
dark crag
2dd 1np 1scent 1ttk 1engi
fresh robin
ah yeah engi helm is pretty strong
strange python
thats what i thought, thank you!
dark crag
400 itemlvl eq sim 21,3k
haughty verge
im running 3 dd 1 np 1 tc 1 ss but can only do 400 dps more than my outlaw
rigid mango
Then your stats might be off
Because those traits are pretty insane
That's pretty much the perfect ST setup
haughty verge
yeah im outlaw main so maybe i suck at assas
rigid mango
That too, I mean I sucked for a while
fresh robin
i tried outlaw again this tier, had triple ds and good ST secondaries
rigid mango
It has a diff playstyle to outlaw/sub
fresh robin
i just hate how meh the boss dmg is on raids
rigid mango
Yeah it feels relativly meh
The boss damage in m+ is aight, because it's bursty enough
Or if the fight has cleave, it's pretty nice
fresh robin
i mean even with good rolls it still feels meh
rigid mango
yeah I felt it being underwhelming
rigid mango
So I swapped over to sub as I was playing casually and then swapped over to assa because I was gonna start trying again
dark crag
Subs my heart, but the tryhard in me plays assa and oulaw
rigid mango
Yeah same
Sub was so much fun when I played it
But god fucking damn, 3x EB in reaping pulls
Those numbers don't lie
dark crag
I play sub for wqs and world pvp
rigid mango
I don't care enough
round harbor
world pvp OMEGALUL
rigid mango
Tbf, assa is insane in pvp
round harbor
imagine warmod eon in 2019
rigid mango
Imagine having small dick energy and not
dark crag
Dodging gank squads with shadow duel is 200 iq play
round harbor
never having to dodge shit because warmode doesnt give any benefit is even better
rigid mango
20% more stuff's nice
dark crag
But hunting bounties
rigid mango
It does give a literal bonus
round harbor
bonus of worthless stuff
dark crag
All my gems were bounty bags
round harbor
thats like every paycheck u get at ur shit job ur boss gives u a bag of rocks
rigid mango
No it's like he'd give me an extra 20% of pay
round harbor
just another kick in the nuts by the boss
dark crag
You pay for them, i don't
rigid mango
I run out = no missions
dark crag
Now you mad
round harbor
lol why would i be mad
my guilkd bank has like 200 of every gem in it
since they are 10g each
outer ruin
This isn't really sin related, but I was watching musclebrahtv's stream, and they were activating an item in vol'dun that let them run SUPER FAST while stealthed. anyone know what it is?
dark crag
Probably the fp upgrade
dark crag
At the Harbor the npc sells missions to upgrade fps
outer ruin
I swear he said "gungo boots" ?
dark crag
Was it a caravan?
round harbor
no it was boots
outer ruin
I have all the honorbound upgrades. to my knowledge it isn't that
It wasn't caravan no
round harbor
same thing u used to skip all the trash in uldir
outer ruin
It added a green affect to your runspeed, and you could use it while stealthed
round harbor
gunshoe boots
dark crag
In tanaan jungle drops a skull that has the same effect, but i think thats jungle only
Although it has the green effect you described if my memory is correct
Draenor only
outer ruin
yeah I'll have to craft a bunch of those gunshoes
strange python
Hey guys a quick question regarding the assassination opening. Is the proposed opening on icy veins better or on ravenholdt (toxic blade with shrouded suffocation) ?
https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-rotation-cooldowns-abilities
spice surge
The opening on icy veins is for MA, not subterfuge and shrouded
But in general, i'd advise against reading icy veins and stick to the ravenholdt or wowhead guides
strange python
Alright big thanks!
fresh robin
is there a tool to look up where items with certain traits drop?
like say i wanted a SS/DD chest?
quick ice
!azerite
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quick ice
Should have a link to the azerite power Finder
If not, there's links in #announcements
fresh robin
ty
rose bolt
Is it possible that raidbots reccomends gear for crit/versa? According to the Guide it should be haste?
safe matrix
yep
because people have different crits/talents/gear
your personal sims will always be more accurate than the generic stat weights
rose bolt
I see... Thanks!
buoyant stream
dark crag
Mutilate needs 2 dagger
fickle obsidian
!stats
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spark grail
390 dooms wake and 400 boon, what should i use in opener?
rich linden
2 DD over 2 SS for traits right?
or is SS like top 2 for traits
i thought some traits were suppose to be stacked no matter what
dark crag
slow mortar
Is there a rationale for DD not working with blindside?
dark crag
Lazy blizz
civic palm
Yeah, not breaking Mutilate/DD.
slow mortar
How so?
civic palm
Whaddaya want MUT to be free during EXE on a proc? or DD do more damage during EXE? or MUT do more damage during EXE?
They'd just make it worse everywhere else, and "better" during execute.
and if you want DD to do more DMG or proc additionally in EXE they'd have to nerf the Mastery scaling of DD outright, making it worse in general but "better" in EXE.
We're not an Execute spec, we've Blindside as filler because of simplistic design.
steep obsidian
blindside doesn't even work with venom rush they didn't even think it through
should just delete it
civic palm
They didn't want it to, it's mean to be a filler/throwaway IMO.
We've a few of those > _>
steep obsidian
what is the point in a throw away talent
what shit design
im not one to whine much about the game but that is just lazy and bad
dark crag
Gloomblade says hello
civic palm
Well it is better than MP/EP at really low item level.
steep obsidian
at least gloomblade was the best talent with certain setups in legion
dark crag
It was minimal better in st sims
slow mortar
I thought pretty simplistic about it then. Like why not half or 1/3rd the damage of DD for blindside. I understand blindside has a higher chance than mut to apply poisons(specially during envenom)
Rotational priority puts blindside barely above mut. But with DD you wouldn't use use it outsideof procs, even in execute
dark crag
But in real world had no chance
cunning geyser
It's a general thing that happened when they wanted their supposed "class fantasy" basically we ended up with specs based around 1 iconic spell the rest is basically fillers so blindside is just there to have an icon
civic palm
and Blindside as a concept might grow by the end of the expansion/in the next expansion.
steep obsidian
what?
blindside was fine wod
it was a proc and at least worth pressing
and with the tier bonus in hfc was really strong
dunno why they need to fix stuff that wasnt broken
civic palm
Well they didn't fix it they removed it.
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and I've said it about 20 times now, it takes one trait to make Blindside better than MP or EP.
pallid spruce
how much crit u guys run with assa ?