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hollow stone
Yeeee. Got a dagger, outlaw was fun for two days. Comin' back baby
swift moss
What buff I grab for sin on opulance
deft nexus
i think Opal but I'm not sure
for M+, is 3xSS 3xEB the best combination of traits? (assuming all traits available ofc)
swift moss
I would think that you would want 1 echoing mabye 2 and then either a dd and vendette bleed or just dd
But I dont know anything since I just came back
cerulean walrus
I'd recommend throwing a SoB in there
Because SS can fall off pretty hard at high keys
swift moss
Yeah
steep obsidian
i always find myself holding vanish for way too long but then again i haven't really been doing huge keys or big pulls most of the time
its like by he time my garrots are finishing pull almost dead so it feels like a bit of a waste
light kestrel
anyone having a problem with literally always being one of the 3 hexxed right off the cuff on conclave?
I literally cloak @ 94 energy and I see hex pop up as "missed"
light kestrel
literally every single pull without fail
lost horizon
Yeah that's pretty much how it goes, either don't have the energy to garrote 3 more things for good value, or they die before you can vanish
light kestrel
Looks like it's just 3 people
steep obsidian
it probably scales with raid size
faint vault
When using Variable Intensity Gigavolt Oscillating Reactor, do I need to save my burst until I'm at 6 or just use burst in the opener?
rugged jetty
anyone else tired of galcallers?
faint vault
When using Variable Intensity Gigavolt Oscillating Reactor, do I need to save my burst until I'm at 6 or just use burst in the opener?
somber otter
What to do when you stack SS traits and the tank chain pulls due to high keys
maybe keep only 1?
grizzled jay
Tell him to stop
dapper wraith
seriously, I just looted a 400 Gale, all happy and shit, come here and Genesiz is like "yo i got a 415 fu" lol =/
short wasp
Sorry man. haha 400 its still a good trink. Trinks are hard to come by so ur good !
dapper wraith
yea, it's all good. just hilarious.
somber otter
For hectic add the adds only come up everyone now and then
solemn mason
does it matter what casted 1st TB or Vendetta?
hardy sequoia
@somber otter try raidbots dungeon slice
lunar pelican
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zinc pewter
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Assassination WA's for BFA:
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sinful lotus
@faint vault Hey 😃 I have the same question. Also, I assume that once you hit 6 stacks, you wait 6 seconds, then hit the On Use effect to get another 6 seconds at max stacks (so 12 secs at max stacks total)? or do I have an incorrect understanding of the trinket?
quick ice
it just adds 6sec to the timer, basically
sinful lotus
Yea, so wouldn't you want to wait until you're at max stacks to get the most out of it?
Why add 6 seconds to a counter when it's on 1 stack?
quick ice
yeah, use on 6
icy ember
is there any reason to care about your offhand dagger? just curious, as it doesn't matter for outlaw, but w/mutilate you are hitting w/both daggers?
quick ice
but it doesn't matter when on 6
it doesn't matter MUCH
I think it might partially impact mut?
sinful lotus
Ok, that makes sense
And if you're on low stacks on pull, do you still pop all your coolies?
real bay
Offhand is literally just stats
quick ice
@sinful lotus I would, yeah
otherwise you may lose out on casts
in theory you can, through equipping and unequipping, with a ~30sec pull timer, guarantee max stacks at pull
but your guild will probably not go for it 😄
real bay
MH weapon dps stat weight is around 10 for me while OH is ~1
quick ice
yeah, the stats on the OH are worth more
quick ice
I think actually the OHdps no longer impacts mut since the change to %AP vs wepdps for ability damage
sinful lotus
@quick ice haha thanks 😃 that makes sense
honest needle
i like bigwigs better than dbm, but i like dbm voice pack better is there a way to get big wigs voice pack to say keep moving on the sister boss in waycrest manorr?
obsidian girder
i'm playing with sub/tb - 1x ss trait
question:
first vendetta in the opener, do i vanish refresh garrote WHILE vendetta or AFTER so i have it again buffed ? i'm really confused because i read somewhere to refresh it afterwards because its already buffed but then next vendetta window i have to wait until vanish is up again what would happen again after vendetta and that is bad?
weak creek
you let the buffed garrote from the opener run out before vanishing
then you either garrote garrote if u vanished at 0cp or garrote enveom/rupture garrote if at 1-3 cp
night vale
As assassination do my dots snapshot when I put them up? e.g. should you use trinkets before using garrotte?
weak creek
its dynamic
obsidian girder
@weak creek okay and the next vendetta window ? should i wait for vanish and how do i start the infight vendetta window with vanish ? do i want to vendetta vanish garrote garrote so i have the buffed garrote the full vendetta time or how ?
mighty elm
do you store up energy to line up with your toxic blade everytime?
weak creek
dont hold tb for more than 4-5 seconds @mighty elm
@obsidian girder usually wait for vanish if you have ss traits before vendettaing again
only time you would use vendetta before vanish is literally if the raid encounter would end before your vanish would be up
vendetta lasts 20 seconds so you want your empowered garrotes to get the most benefit possible
mighty elm
@weak creek do you want to get out 2 envenoms in the TB window everytime?
weak creek
optimally yes
its fine to hold tb for like 3 seconds if ur refreshing a rupture or something of that nature beforehand
but usually cast on cd otherwise
real bay
@obsidian girder you can refresh a emp garrote by an emp garrote. Below 5.4s
weak creek
the more you hold tb the more seconds towards another tb that are wasted, so in total you could miss an extra tb window if you hold too much
real bay
Just don't refresh by a non empowred
weak creek
^
obsidian girder
@weak creek okay nice that helped alot.. last question to the infight vendetta. how do you start it ? just a rough explanation
weak creek
opener or just
vendetta mid fight
opener is garr rupture garr vendetta tb envenom
mid fight if ur cds are all up (vend/vanish)
mighty elm
ty
obsidian girder
midfight 😄
weak creek
first thing is dependent on if u have 0-5 cp
if you have 4-5 cp spend on finisher before vendetta
or
you can vendetta envenom vanish garrote garrote
theres a lot of ways you can do it tbh
if ur at 0 cp you double garrote during vanish
if ur at more than 3 cp you garrote envenom/rupture (if you need to refresh) and garrote again
strange python
You can be out of energy for the second emp garrote then if you're not careful though?
weak creek
vendetta gives energy back, if ur not completely starved from lack of pooling and being smart with energy you shouldnt be starved
if for some reason you are starved, you can wait half a second for a bit of energy though i suppose
ofc sin wants as much energy regen as possible due to costs being expensive on mut but, you should be setting up for that cd window
but like you said, thats assuming ur not being careful
strange python
Yeah, I just gotta learn to watch my energy better
void gazelle
You use exsanguinate only át full pandemic rupture and garrot, or use it at 20+sec?
weak creek
exsang you usually want as high of bleed times as you can get without wasting cp
hidden dirge
so after your first emp Garrote with Vendetta (24s into the fight) you Vanish and use another emp double Garrote.
Now your Vendetta will be up 24 s before your Vanish.
It's always worth to wait for Vanish before using Vendetta again.
After your 2nd Vendetta/Vanish they will align everytime.
Is this correct?
stable pine
With NP traits do you TB before Vendatta?
weak creek
no, still after
afaik
@hidden dirge yes, you wanna make sure somewhere in the next 3 gcds that 2 of them are garrote to get max uptime on them
@void gazelle make sure ur 3rd exsang is always used with vanish to line up empowered garrotes
real bay
if fight lenght allows you the 3rd vendetta/vanish stack then it's worth it
weak creek
pandemics should be fine outside of vanish exsang
obsidian girder
@weak creek okay great then i found my mistake ^^ first like @real bay sait i didnt refresh buffed garrote with buffed garrote. i just let it ran out and refreshed it then so i lost 5.4s pandemic. second mistake was i finished vendetta window with vanish+buffed garrote. so all my garrotes werent buffed by vendetta.. im dumb ._. but thanks alot guys<3 will change that
weak creek
np
real bay
some weakauras will help a lot with this stuff
and dot tracking on multiple targets like 2nd boss
strange python
Is there any WAs that differentiate between normal and emp garrote? The one for my feral druid does that
Or maybe I can just set that up myself
real bay
yes
obsidian girder
that would be great.. a little greendot or something would already be enough to see if a new garrote would be better than the one on the boss. like feralbleedings 😄
solid nova
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https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
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solid nova
Afaik Mizeroks does
strange python
I'm using Afenar, but I'll check out the others. Would be cool with a red border on garrote or something when it's empowered
Mizerok's says "EMP"
solid nova
I couldnt recommend learning WAs yourself enough, its such a useful thing to be able to do. Takes no time at all as well
Then you can all sorts of personal additions etc
vestal wren
iirc details even allowes you to create weakauras without a lot of learning, never looked more into it tho
strange python
Yeah, should've gotten into that before the raid started when I had some time
sinful lotus
Hello fellow rogues 😃 I was scrolling up and reading some comments on Parsing etc... This will probably sound like a dumb question, but how important is fight length for a Parse? I assume, the shorter the fight, the better the chance for a good parse as the boss may still die while you're coming down from a solid Burst or CD window? The reason I'm asking, is I can't for the life of me get a good %IL parse on Champions (on Heroic). I've looked at the Timelines/Cast/Rotation of some top Parsing Rogues on WCL and I see them open on Adds, switch to boss, maintain a few dots on Adds, kill boss and end with some nice results.
solid nova
Fight length is a factor yeah
But as for fine details that would be down to the log itself
obsidian sierra
good morning guys, is there anywhere a list that provides info how mich titan residium i can receive on which source?
thanks
real bay
either very short or long enough to get CDs 2nd time at least
quick ice
I believe the wowhead guide gives all the details on TR?
sinful lotus
Well here's the most recent Heroic Champions log: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/fvH46MwWYKgjD7An#fight=5&type=damage-done
(I'm Fuzz)
obsidian sierra
ok thx @quick ice will google that one
sinful lotus
52% for IL
I'm sure i've made mistakes. Our fight was a little over 3 mins, other top Parses for rogues are 1-2 Mins. Not sure how much of a factor that is.
quick ice
I think the opener was him opening with garrote on all the adds?
sinful lotus
Yea I have SS so saw other rogues using GG on the ads, then 3rd G and Rup on boss
high siren
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8FqR5y8tH84b2SrKrcCdaw > would you play TB or keep with exg for the flexibility ?
solid nova
And your 2nd vanish + vend isnt lined up
sinful lotus
Yes, not lining 2nd pot with Vend was definitely a mistake
solid nova
- 2nd pot
sinful lotus
that as well
solid nova
Would have helped
sinful lotus
Do you vanish GRG then Vend, or Vend then Vanish GRG?
strange python
Where do you see the opener? ON the timeline?
sinful lotus
Timeline/Casts
solid nova
What are the demon hunters doing btw?
strange python
Ok, ty. Having the same issues as you and learning a lot here
solid nova
sinful lotus
@strange python 😃 It's rough lol. I checked the timelines/casts for a bunch of rogues and tried to immitate their pulls. (@solid nova) pointed out some interesting mistakes i've made, so I'll work on those 😃
quick ice
the other got meleed then died from incidental
fluid rampart
For AOE, do I garrote x3 then rupture finisher -> FoK -> Envenom
strange python
Lol, it's not that bad. I was looking at the wrong rogue at first @sinful lotus
sinful lotus
We're a casual guild, and that wasn't a great pull 😃
sinful lotus
But just to confirm, to line up Vend + Vanish and Pot. Do you Pot Vend and then Vanish GRG TB? Or Pot Vanish, GRG Vend TB?
@real bay unfortunately that's true 😃
solar rose
It also matters on what strat your using, most high parses are not spreading the adds on this fight and just tank them on top of the boss and just keep hitting boss. Using all healing cds on the big AoE and kill before next
real bay
When you actually kill the boss the opener goes to shit and you get 0 envenom crits
sinful lotus
@solar rose Ah i didn't know that. My guild tanks the adds way way on the far side, opposite the boss.
So really impossible to maintain Dots on the adds while hitting the boss
Anyway, need to step away from the keyboard,thank you all for the help/feedback!
night vale
I did okay dps on our champions mythic kill, pretty much just opened with 2 emp. garottes on adds and 1 on the boss, then just did my ST rotation on the boss.... finished around 23k? iirc
but my boss tanks adds miles away from boss
real bay
is there any reason to tank them far other than the hammers you just avoyd
dusky tiger
hi guys, what do you think about the master assasin build if you have DD,TC, and NP on all pieces?
real bay
tanking them far just sounds like an annoyance in general
night vale
@real bay maybe consecrations on the ground from the adds too
im not entirely sure tbh
vestal wren
i have very bad experience with tanks and tanking in general
and uptime is quite essential on subtlety so it matters even more there
but usually throwing a decent hint helps
vestal wren
just put in more ranged dps and be fine, they usually dont lose sth with bad tanking
real bay
yep
night vale
i'd like to think that would work in my guild fuu.... but i doubt it.
They seem to have all the tactics sorted already and don't really want to deviate unless necessary (which i understand to a certain extent)
They 100% wouldnt change a tactic so i could do more DPS on champions :p they dont care about dps too much
real bay
tell them it's easier to interrupt close adds 
vestal wren
just throw in a decent hint like
"WHO ON EARTH WOULD TANK THAT SHIT SO THAT THE MELEES CANT DO DAMAGE, ARE YOU PURPOSELY CRIPLYING OUR DPS TO NOT KILL THE BOSS?"
(btw i am just joking)
night vale
hahahha :p
solid nova
A tank who tanks with the dps in mind is a thunder buddy for life
night vale
yeah that just what those ranged dot classes need to make them competitive this tier 😛
nimble tartan
opulence is actually such a cool fight
zinc zephyr
Is bleed or poison build superior now in m+?
high siren
@night vale what role is your RL playing ?
night vale
Warlock
high siren
aw, funny he doesn't care about dps
we have a boomie as RL, and optimizing dps is fundamental for him
night vale
yeah its more that i think he's worried that people will ignore mechanics if they try to max dps, so wants everyone to be setting a good example
high siren
yeah, think about the fact you're raiding in mythic, which implicitly involves that people should be able to play mecanics AND do their optimal dps
solid nova
Optimising dps while working around mechanics = cleaner kill
vestal wren
i mean our rl send me through early on mother even tho i was with that dissadvantage by far the first in dps throught he whole tier
a lot of ppl in rl positions are not good, and there is often not much you can do about it
either they respect your opinion and work with you or you need to find sth better
night vale
yeah agreed, and true, problem is when people ignore the mechanics for the fat logs 😛
royal lantern
raidelead that knows that rogue CC has a cd?
that would be my wet dream
i think i need too explain atleast 3x each week that sap is from stealth only on enemys that are not in combat, cheap shot is stealth only, kidney shot needs CP and has a 20sec cd
vestal wren
you forgot blind
royal lantern
fking blind on agramar
BLIND STAR
yeha ok, but i have a 2min cd, you should maybe let somone else do it in case somone fucks up
WHY IS STAR LOSE
(meanwhile the warlock is spamming dots on everything too pad the meters)
vestal wren
ye wcl creates some very fun situations
real bay
big brain, use the worst cc possible 
vestal wren
"okay who of the healer has a cd up"
\all healers looking away bc. they all used their big raid cd on the first slight drop together\
real bay
ok maybe shockwave or stormbolt was worse
vestal wren
and thats not uncommon
also i liek if rl's go like "oh ye well we have a 30 man raid on a tough fight".... "i guess 3 healers will be suefficient"
high siren
😄
royal lantern
atleast our fking warlock got benched after he didnt enter the living bomb circle 10x in a row because he had the trinket where you get a crit boost when no teammates are nearby
WHY IS IT ALWAYS A WARLOCK
royal lantern
or just do it right and stack with everyone cus its mythic and you need too do the mechanics
real bay
that or gtfo
royal lantern
i use too many bad words again
vestal wren
i experienced (btw. in a guild) stuff ppl do for logging that is insane, e.g. on opulance we had dh/warriors not putting golden shit outside and rather drop it in melee
real bay
yea we had a crap pool in melee too
royal lantern
yeha, atleast my rl is slowly starting too sort those people out
vestal wren
i mean why? both of them can just 2 sec downtime do it
high siren
fat exec proc
vestal wren
XD
blockade was also fun
where we had ranged dps stand in melee so they dont lose dps if they need to clear
spawining adds directly on boss
high siren
xd
vast forum
What kind of guild do you even raid with
high siren
200 iq strat
royal lantern
there are stupid people in all guilds
real bay
ehh Jaina was pretty monkaS, ranged get ice blocked 50 meters away from boss in last phase
big brains
royal lantern
there are always 2-4 people that are in the raidgroup, die or do stuff wrong every single pull but dont get benched for some reason
vast forum
Tbh i'm normally the biggest dps whore in my guild
real bay
Jaina is a nice idiot check
vast forum
And i would still go mfd for varimathras when playing sub, or do the bridge on imonar
royal lantern
phantom singularity from warlocks?
vast forum
Oh yea
royal lantern
or orb of frost/blizzard/glacial spike spamming from mages?
cus both happend too us
real bay
Arms WB BS rip adds
vast forum
Luckily, as i said, i'm normally the dps whore of the guild so i yelled anytime a crawg died
royal lantern
''dont attack adds!'' orb of frost flying into the group
vestal wren
i mean those ppl are literally the reason why ppl hate sub
real bay
don't kill adds, 2 DHs proceed to eye beam all of them
royal lantern
or when a bm hunter tried too explain that he cant controll his aoe/cleave
vestal wren
we should move to #wow-general btw. we are a bit offtopic
night vale
question for m+ i simmed myself with dungeon slice and haste comes out on top by a long way.
However lots of people say to ditch haste for m+ ?
what should i do?
solid nova
The haste value in dungeon is slice is because it tries to account for bosses
But it is slightly over valued
royal lantern
haste is our best stat for single target right now, but you spend most time in dungeons doing aoe stuff, wich takes value out of haste
solid nova
Dungeonslice is a good starting point but with experience of the dungeons and your group you should tweak as you go tbh
night vale
okay thanks a lot guys 😃
rose perch
yeah i think moving out of haste on fortified weeks and back in a little on tyrannical is a good play
pallid spruce
what are you using crimsom tempest or poison bomb, teseted several times both and poison bomb feels like better so far at least for reaping
rose perch
I use almost exclusively CT - PB in KR and Temple sometimes
night vale
i prefer PB for reaping... only cause they melt in my group.... so CT doesnt have time to work most of the time
delicate spade
Hello guys, this is my first time posting here so I'm not entirely sure if I'm ontopic (if I am please suggest the correct channel).
I simmed my character and it currently sits around 19k dps ST. However yesterday we did stormwall blockade hc with my guild and my dps in that fight (16k) sucks compared to my sim. Can someone help me in order to identify what exactly did I do wrong? I used wowanalyzer which mentioned that both garrote and rupture had 96% uptime yet my top dps skill is melee? I'm really confused and don't know where/what to look. Any help would be really appreciated!
lament dove
sim dps is like hitting a target dummy for 5 min with buffs, it simulates a patchwerk fight where you don't have to move and do everything perfectly
solid nova
Yeah, Sims will always assume perfect conditions
vestal wren
patchwork is basically a target dummy fight
but you can write your own fight scripts so
delicate spade
I'm aware about the perfect conditions with sims. However I had better equipped gear compared to the other two rogues and they both did 3k more dps than me so I must be doing something wrong
rose perch
post your log!
lament dove
that's probably true then:)
delicate spade
This is our log https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/JpkL8YWgcHBG2fqz I'm Axsxce
rose perch
looks like you had to stop dps on your boat for a while which hurts a lot
sinful lotus
@rose perch Hey, saw your comment about moving to or from certain stats depending on the M+ affixes. Do you have completely different gear sets? or do you re-gem/re-enchants/re-forge all of your gear?
rose perch
well with EB i'm pretty much always gemmed/enchanted crit
but i had some like crit/haste 385s and crit/mast 385s that i'd swap between
sinful lotus
But do you use you EB gear in raids?
sinful lotus
Do you feel like your DPS on boss suffers a lot if you go full SS EB for M+?
delicate spade
The reason I stopped dps was because the RL called for everyone to stop so I didn't have any choice regarding this
strange python
I normally do top dps on bosses and I have 3xSS 2xEB. @sinful lotus
sinful lotus
Yea? I assume your AoE/trash dps must be insane as well?
rose perch
it's less than if you don't have EB for sure but it's definitely worth
to run the trait
for M+
like you sacrifice boss damage but you can't just do M+ for boss damage M+ is so rarely single target dps checks
sinful lotus
Ok, thanks for the info 😃 don't have an alternative gear set for M+ yet, but once I do, I'll hopefully be able to put together an SS EB set 😃
rose perch
yeah definitely if raid is your priority
then just use your raid gear in M+ and you'll be fine ^.^
sinful lotus
Ok cool! Thanks!
rose perch
but if you're looking for the best possible thing to do in M+ well 1) play outlaw but 2) ya EB is great
strange python
I have 2x Sets already (lucky+nerd). 3xDD, crit haste heavy for raid. 3xSS 2xEB crit mastery heavy for m+
sinful lotus
lol, i tried outlaw (and most likely because I'm bad at it) the results were embarassing.
rose perch
@delicate spade another problem here is refreshing/overwriting your shrouded garrotes
sinful lotus
Do you pretty much want to stack Brigand and Deadshot for M+?
rose perch
it happened a few times looks like - make sure you let them fully bleed out
@sinful lotus 1 wits, 3 deadshot, 0-1 blitz, 0-2 TC, 0-2 ace
delicate spade
I see, thank you for your insight
strange python
any benefit to rolling orc for racial + on use trink + vendetta?
rose perch
yeah for m+, sin in raids!
strange python
on assass
rose perch
i think all the races are pretty close for sin, not worth changing it for anything imo
for m+ being a belf is pretty high value
for torrenting stuff like in KR
strange python
ah i see, i wondered why i still see belfs since the change. im undead for looks - they are so damn cool
rose perch
being any race for looks is perfectly valid imo
sinful lotus
Alright, i'll check it out, thanks 😃
rigid mango
Is it worth waiting with TB just so I don't waste one CP
Wowanalyzer is telling me not to
rose perch
ya just fire it off on CD because if you're at 5 CP then you're about to affect an envenom with it so that's good value too
or better yet see that it's coming up soon and don't mutilate at 3cp, just pool for a bit
rigid mango
Yeah that's what I'm trying to do, but sometimes shit doesn't line up
rose perch
ya with TB whenever things don't line up just press the button it's fine
way more dps lost by missing a cast of it
lament dove
imho whatever you do just pool some energy before TB comes off CD, that way you can surely envenom at least twice into it, even if you use it at 0 CP
night vale
what would you do if you find yourself in a sitation, where TB is coming off CD and ruputure has like 7 seconds left?
real bay
refresh rup and delay TB for like a second or two
spice surge
Dont delay tb
lament dove
I would refresh rupture
spice surge
Just refresh rupture
real bay
also how much energy you have and CP matters
rose perch
ya i always just tb there and refresh rupture during
rigid mango
Isn't the goal to always get two envenoms during TB window?
solid nova
Its better to refresh then let it drop off
rose perch
ya but the mainer goal is to not miss any TB casts
solid nova
^
rigid mango
So would it be worht to G and Rup preemptivly before TB comes up just so you acn get both envenoms off?
even if it's not optimal time to refresh
rose perch
yeah the least bad of all the options is to just press TB on cooldown and refresh bleeds during
pallid spruce
what combo u would use dice + dead eye spy glass both 400 item lvl and spyglass has socket or dice 400 item lvl + dread gladiator medal 370 item lvl with socket
dapper bough
@rose perch Love your vids ! They're very helpful ❤
rose perch
@pallid spruce dice+spyglass for sure, @dapper bough ❤
junior seal
real bay
nyan cat set?
strange python
I have 415 Dice. 400 GCB, Dead-eye and Plumage. For ST with DD and TB they sim almost exactly the same
What should I use? That will give me most value in real gameplay, not a sim?
arctic harness
Plumage works well in m+ and lines up with Vendetta
strange python
Thanks Eleem!
spring prawn
does it matter which weapon enchant is mainhand/oh? lol
rose perch
usually you want your best stat MH and your second best OH
royal lantern
it doesnt matter
verbal mantle
it matters actually
royal lantern
just use 2 different enchants
rose perch
it's definitely very minor
real bay
wtb 400 weps
royal lantern
spam m+
spring prawn
spammed shrine a day straight aswell :p
zinc orchid
Any recommendations on weak auras to get feedback on maintaining bleeds?
lost sentinel
I wanna see if plater can make it very obvious if a npc has my bleed on it or not, but other than that I just use one that tracks if my current target has them
spring prawn
im using tidy plates and stacking, ez
zinc orchid
Is there any feedback for the empowered bleeds?
spring prawn
nah
verbal mantle
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verbal mantle
I saw earlier that Mizerok's WA got the feedback on empowered Garrote @zinc orchid
spring prawn
are u talking empowered as in stealth or as in EP?
zinc orchid
when its applied in the first 3 seconds of stealth through Subterfuge
verbal mantle
Mizerok's one will do the job then
zinc orchid
sorry new to rogue 😃 I might be looking for the wrong information
verbal mantle
np dude
faint vault
@sinful lotus You're right about the 6 stacks. I just can't figure out if it's better to save my burst for the trinket, or use it on pull.
spring prawn
is SS fixed yet btw? havent played for 4 month x)
verbal mantle
Yes
solid nova
October 3rd 2018 is was fixed 😄
verbal mantle
You can apply 3 emp garrotes
spring prawn
ye and the 4th doesnt remove emp anymore?
verbal mantle
nah as Richard said it was fixed a long time ago
spring prawn
ok thanks
zinc orchid
You can apply 4 stacks of garrote on the same target?
spring prawn
no lol
zinc orchid
ok I was confused there lol
solid nova
No, you can only get 3 gcds in your subt window
zinc orchid
right they dont stack
verbal mantle
yep, you're coming on a 4-npc pack, one emp garrote each, then one not emp on the last add
sinful lotus
@faint vault ah ok cool 😃
warm sable
wild stone
small island
is dead eye spyglass even good? it seems to never proc
strange python
@eager kernel can you help me with sin questions?
I only played it when 3x ss was op pre nerf
lament dove
I had the same experience with spyglass tbh, I didn't use it much though
eager kernel
depends on ur statsweigths
there isnt really a bis list anymore these days since all the titanforging etc.
eager kernel
but generally haste will always be the stat ur mainly lookin for
real bay
Kinda
eager kernel
yeah
strange python
is mastery/crit still better in m+?
well I know all the titanforging and stuff but arent there still pieces with bis stats, so for example some wrists from some dungeon, so I farm that till they drop titanforged?
or do I just spam random dungeons?
eager kernel
some dungeons will always be better to farm then others
lone junco
if you want to do M+ you need to raid and do M+ and wq boxes.
40% crit is a great number
gl
eager kernel
but u would have to be lucky to get that key on join someone who has that key over and over again
real bay
Freehold is a good pick
strange python
@eager kernel which dungeon?
like which trinkets are best rn anyways, forget what the website was called where you look it up
arctic harness
At the moment its best to look at your weakest item and see which dungeon drops the best upgrade according to your statweights
eager kernel
Herodamage or bloodmallet for trinket sims and azerite
and freehold is a good pick like erttu said
+its one of the better/funnier ones to imo aswell
vestal wren
!sims
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copper kestrel
Rupture, Garrote, Toxic Blade, and Vendetta all have 2s remaining. I'm at 5cpt and 40 energy. My gut is that I should get the buffed envenom, letting the rupture/garrote fall off for a second or two.
I imagine the math is pretty simple. I just need to so the break even between the extra envenom damage vs X seconds of bleed
night vale
is there a guide out there that covers the rotation in more detail, i.e in m+ with certain traits when to use FoK etc.
verbal mantle
!guide
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night vale
yeah ive seen that one, but i was looking more for specifics, like how many targets to FoK @ with EB trait
verbal mantle
3+ I guess
night vale
see i've heard people say 2+ so was just wondering if it was covered anywhere, no worries 😃
verbal mantle
the guide says :
Fan of Knives, if there are 3 or more targets and you want to refresh or apply poisons to targets that are not poisoned
Fan of Knives, if there are 4 or more targets
night vale
yeah but that changes with the EB trait id imagine
sturdy python
With eb traits it changes. I cant remember if you fok on 2 targets with only one trait or it takes more though
verbal mantle
mmh indeed
elder gulch
That’s probably only worth it with a certain amount of crit too
marble hemlock
depends on a variety of stats
generally, fok on 2+ with EB. fok is more damage/energy, while mutilate generates more cp/energy, so depending on what youre going for use the respective ability
i.e. if youll have to refresh bleeds soon, it might be better to use a few mutilates to generate the required CP quickly, and then go back to fok
verbal mantle
Should definitely ping something related to this kind of questions
sturdy python
Danke, Mr cat man
verbal mantle
ty for insights
night vale
Thanks a lot 😄
verbal mantle
indeed
marble hemlock
say youre running a TTK or two, that means the value of generating CP over raw damage from your builders becomes more important again
verbal mantle
makes sense, so mut is better in your case
verbal mantle
anw we have the big picture of it
marble hemlock
ye
someone smarter than me could probably develop a model and create a graph that compares mut and fok on 2 targets and calculates a crit-threshold
pretty much, ye
marble hemlock
its entirely feelycraft
verbal mantle
I never pull small 
verbal mantle
depends on the key lvl I guess but yeh
marble hemlock
the only thing i can say with confidence, is that if youre running at least 1 EB, no matter whether you still muti or fok, the difference is gonna be very very minor
night vale
right so if you have at least 1 EB... then 100% you should be FoK'in on 3+ and maybe on 2+ depending on gear
copper kestrel
Read the guide, still iffy on comboing Vanish with Vendetta. I run Sub w/ no SS.
Based on the opener, Vanish comes up halfway through my second Vendetta. Should I immediately Vanish+Garrote, regardless of pandemic timer?
marble hemlock
pretty much snimo
sturdy python
Your vendetta should come off cd ~20s before vanish @copper kestrel
So you hold vendetta for when vanish comes off cd for the second set, after that they line up
strange python
You Line up your cd at 2m20sec then 4m20 etc
sturdy python
Believe you'd vanish garrote to Max pandemic then vendetta
copper kestrel
makes sense
sturdy python
Since garrote will be 24s long and vendetta lasts 20, get Max time inside it
copper kestrel
Final question :)
If TB comes up <10s before Vendetta. Should I still use it on CD (so I won't have it during the Mut+Envenom spam). Or is it worth holding at that point?
primal gazelle
the real question is, why dont you already have 3eb?? 😛
sturdy python
Probably depends just how long you're holding and how long the fight is blaq. Holding tb for 10s twice is basically a lost cast over a long enough fight
real bay
dont believe its worth holding TB for that long, in my experience TB lines up pretty well with Vendetta
harsh shadow
Do you always go for the traits that sim the highest or is it different with Shrouded Suffocation (cause on warcraftlogs there are literally 95% running at least 1 SS trait )?
plain thistle
we use what we have, second week 🤷
dont think everyone has every azerite they want yet
silent silo
When you guys say use it on CD are you guys using it the second it gets up or are you pooling a bit before to make sure you get 2-3 envenoms
sturdy python
On CD. Do any pooling before
To illustrate it a bit, if you hold tb for just 5s Everytime it's up you'll lose a cast in a fight that's only ~3 mins long or so
silent silo
Yea I have a bad habit of tb is coming up but my bleeds are about to fall off so then I end up pooling while tb is usable. Should i still use it on CD then?
copper kestrel
Got it. So best to think of it in lost cast terms. 10s was the extreme. I'd expect it to look more like ~5 (if it all). Which should never be a lost cast with <10min fights
real bay
imo its a good habit to keep your energy kinda pooled always to a certain point unless you know you will have to move and cap before getting back on boss, just makes TB windows easier to manage
brave gyro
I mean, you only need to pool when TB is coming off cd, but i agree, always good habbit
sturdy python
5s would be lost cast over a fighter over 3 mins or so, don't know exact number. That's only if you're doing it every time of course. If you're just doin it on a fringe case with vendetta it's probably fine but more often than not tb will just come off CD inside vendetta
Shyach, the play is to just make sure that doesn't happen. You can't let bleeds fall off so keep them up
silent silo
Yea doesn't happen too often for me but kind of sucks when you see like 5 seconds left on your rupture and tb is up lol
sturdy python
Yeah, just try and pay attention if your rupture is ever similar time left as your tb CD. If so just make sure you have energy and cp ready to pandemic rup asap so you can make use of tb
I suck at it, sounds nice though
frigid notch
So I am trying to get better at this game and have been trying to figure out macros. Do people not give up their macros generally? Are they basically like trade secrets?
wary ice
im psure the guides have "common macros" in them
vestal wren
no secrets, there are just not a lot of macros required
wary ice
I think the only macro i have is trinket + vendetta for when im using a 2 min cd trinket
(which isnt often)
sturdy python
Yeah def no secret macros 
wary ice
Doesnt Sub still need a Shadow Dance macro to avoid backstabbing the first global?
frigid notch
Yeah I've looked at guides. I'm just confused on why some don't work I guess... I've nevr tried to make macros before
vestal wren
yes sub uses some macros
trail bronze
I have one that is either tb or exsang depending on talent choice and one that is kidney or cheapshot depending on stealth state but those aren't game changing
vestal wren
my old guide is still up and should have them
wary ice
n->select outlaw is my favorite cast sequence tbh
sturdy python
I've still noticed I backstab if spamming it too quickly though
strange python
outlul
wary ice
@frigid notch what do you mean they dont work?
frigid notch
@wary ice I figured I'd be able to cast like garrote and mutiliate together but like i said im new to this lol
wary ice
nah
Macros dont break the game lol
Macros were bigger in the past when most of your damage buffs were off the Global Cooldown
Now that most damage buffs are on it, we cant stack DPS buffs instantly as much anymore
Hence "not a lot of them are needed"
/cast vendetta```thats a useful one
Probably spelt wrong
but it uses your major cooldown with item slot 13
(ie trinkets)
Useful for when you have something like the feather from atal
that gives stats on a 2 min cd
wary ice
Most other macros are like things for quality of life
like you can make it so shift+[kick bind] will kick a focus target so you dont have to swap your DPS target
which is super nice in Keys
I'm sure there are youtube tutorials on BFA macros that can explain it better
ember pulsar
Is it worth getting triple SS instead of 1 or 2 SS with 1 DD and TTK
odd hatch
That would be pretty brolic in a fight where you can reliably keep two garrotes up or in mythic+, but if it's pure st having more DD/TTK will likely pull more
vestal wren
klick the pin icon
fervent finch
Oh
vestal wren
but both !pin and !pins should have send you them if you allow direct messages
fervent finch
On this channel?
vestal wren
it sends it in dm (moroes)
round roost
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strange python
how are you guys handling reaping? lots of EB ? I'm tempted to go outlaw literally just for reaping....
soft cargo
there's a good clip from musclebrah where he blasted reaping
but yeah mostly eb
enough ruptures/garrotes so u dont go ooe and u blast with eb
hollow stone
OL shreds reaping. Had a 5 proc for a reaping pack last night and peaked at 160k dps. But yes, if sin, 3x eb is extremely valuable for reaping
iron plover
If you're rocking an opal gem do you have to tab target or will FoK trigger it?
hollow stone
Fok'll do it
soft cargo
it wil ltrigger
iron plover
thanks fam
odd hatch
Is the reason for doing garrote garrote for the opener in ss rather than garrote rupture garrote because it will give you one more env in the vendetta window and line up with when garrote is falling off? Is that superior in terms of smooth play alone or both that and dps?
royal lantern
you should do garrote rupture garrote
odd hatch
I guess the main question would be if an extra 2s of empowered garrote + the 1 tick of rupture you'd get is not worth the boost on 1 env from vendetta
royal lantern
3x garrote is only for aoe
plain thistle
g>g>r>g is a nice way to waste subterfuge and SS 😃
since the last garrote is outside subterfuge window
😂
odd hatch
That's not what I was saying though
plain thistle
single target you do : g > r > g and for AoE : g > g > g
for subterfuge with SS ofc
for AoE, those garrotes are on different targets 😃
odd hatch
That's what I currently do. Guess I'll keep doing it
plain thistle
yeah, whoever told you to do g > g > r > g is wrong 😃
hollow stone
I think he was just asking if it may be better
odd hatch
^
plain thistle
oh ok, my bad
odd hatch
Nw
hollow stone
Best thing to do if youre looking to optimize is: run your sim, review the apl, do thst
That*
odd hatch
Yeah def, still have to learn how to run a specific opener in a sim
hollow stone
Nah. If you sim it. The big brain rogues have already done the legwork for you. Just look at the opener in the apl (html report)
odd hatch
Ohh I see. Sweet thanks
hollow stone
No prob
grim cedar
Is it quick navigation main hand and deadly navigation off hand? Thanks in advance 🙂
spice surge
Doesnt matter which hand it's on
lone junco
@odd hatch yeah, g g r g is outside of subterfuge and wrecks your ss
odd hatch
I still don't do that lol
lone junco
I love patchwerk fights
vast forum
tbh i think popping that GCB earlier for a few faster garrote ticks before exsg could prove slightly more valuable
primal gazelle
but you would lose exsang value of garrotes if they were "ticked faster" via gcb before exsang application
odd hatch
Would gcb speed stack with exsang if garrote didn't fall off during ex's duration?
Haven't used either of them so legit don't know
sturdy python
Not sure what you mean. Haste causes dots to tick for more. If you GCB>exsang the bleeds snapshot your haste when you hit exsang meaning GCB bonus lasts the entire bleed duration
swift prism
So I keep seeing people simming here with like 17-18k dps at ilvl 385+
But I had a pug rogue in my raid group last night who was 383 and pulled almost 21k consistently on Rasta
dafuq
odd hatch
Was he upstairs? Lots of cleave
sturdy python
Rasta has multiple targets
swift prism
Ye, but he was 20k when we had Rasta solo (away from Bon) before P3
Zombie totems die in like 3 seconds
swift prism
ah fosho
sturdy python
Also, the opeer has 3 targets
swift prism
right right
hollow stone
And on top of all that, sin is not an ilvl spec because of how low agi value is. Its all about traits, mh weap, trinkets, n sockets
So a lower ilvl as sin is not as detrimental as it is for many other classes n specs
swift prism
Oh? I was not aware of this
royal lantern
im 401 and sim lower then some people here with 396 cus my stats are all over the place right now
hollow stone
What i mean by that is basically a lower ilvl piece with the right traits is gonna be better than a higher ilvl piece with bad traits; same applies for stats
Yee
swift prism
That is irritating
hollow stone
Unlike frost dk, for example, where str is very important and all their secondaries are close in value. A fdk will pretty much always use the highest ilvl pieces available to them (with a few exceptions)
hollow stone
Yea. And (i dont have access now) but im 396 simming a bit above 21k
royal lantern
i work with the items i get, so w/e
hollow stone
Exactly. We optimize when we can
royal lantern
16%haste 23%crit but 34%mastery and 5%vers ftw
languid ore
397 simming 18.6 feelsbadmen
royal lantern
dont have new azerite stuff?
languid ore
Do
hollow stone
The right pieces will come, my homies
languid ore
Oh shit I lied. 390 ilvl**
shy axle
big difference between SS/Subt. and the suggested DD/NP/MA setup in an realistic raid scenario?
hexed sail
on like 10 targets, with 2EB and CT talented. Do we CT as soon as we reach 5cp ? (given that we already have the optimal amount of bleeds up to sustain FoK spam)
primal gazelle
i know at 3 EB with CT, you only refresh CT and not spam it, not sure with 2 EB. I'm sure you can just do the math tho. Look at initial hit of CT dmg, compare that to 1 cast of FOK (add some value for EB procs)
hollow stone
+pb reks for reaping packs 🐑
olive dagger
With subterfuge and ss, is it always better to hold onto your second vendetta for vanish to come up, since the second vanish is usually about 15-20 seconds behind the second vendetta?
hollow stone
Yes
Line em back up for the 2nd vend/van and they stay lined up for the rest of the fight
olive dagger
Yeah makes sense. ty
lone junco
@hollow stone I mean really. lol I read about 0.5% of this channel and go on a 15min bender about one comment taken out of context. and people gonna at me
Im over on twitter arguing about wizards not shitting their pants.
lost sentinel
droptimizer put priority #1 on a .4% upgrade lol
but that's apparently the biggest non-azerite upgrade I have in heroic BOD
bleak spoke
wow droptimizer's really cool didn't see it before
cerulean junco
Subterfuge toxic blade - is it best to hold 2nd vendetta for when vanish is off CD
lone junco
@bleak spoke yeah, its about a week old. But it really helped me decide where to coin tbh.
bleak spoke
damn i need premium for that azerite thing
even though i think i have a pretty good idea of what pieces i want anyway
nothing is more than a 1% upgrade :x
wait why am i wearing my echoing pieces
oh FFS
latent pebble
@bleak spoke I got the premium, been seeing champions, jadefire and mekk for the pieces typically. Not sure if covenant being overly valued by raidbots tho need to do some more research
latent pebble
Thanks, I’ll take a look
bleak spoke
for all intents and purposes other than very specific fights i'd say you have basically 95% uptime anyway
maybe not on mekka or jaina
latent pebble
Right makes sense
junior aurora
crimson tempest the way to go for +10s now?
bleak spoke
crimson tempest is always the way to go change my mind
junior aurora
single target
autumn stag
Why does First Mates Spyglass rank so high for Assassination trinkets?
plain thistle
crit, 2 min cd 🤷
bleak spoke
wq trinkets are op
lone junco
Im still hoping i get a berserker juju at 400 socket.
bleak spoke
keep hoping xd
lone junco
you can /use/use it with GCB
lone junco
I have a 345 maybe that was = = fathoms after i adjusted the APL to use it with GCB
bleak spoke
wtf
lone junco
GCB is a ground buff, and juju is a haste buff. for some reason you could double mash with a macro
both 1min
junior aurora
the fastest
lone junco
i took a screenshot at 104% haste
bleak spoke
wtf
lone junco
was lust + gcb + juju
junior aurora
what was that exsang snapshot dps lol
bleak spoke
thats like literally having 2 sets of extra bleeds in your vendetta window
lone junco
so big picture here, the haste is just E return not more SS dps.
bleak spoke
oh?
lone junco
mastery buffs bleeds.
haste increases tick rates a bit.
but haste is a monster for Static E. and Tick rate E.
lone junco
some. but it didnt scale like I wanted.
junior aurora
is it even worth it for the energy then
lone junco
I think it was 0.4sec ticks.
bleak spoke
in exsang?
bleak spoke
i find that i'm capping energy with galecallers and lust tho
even though it does feel really really nice to use
lone junco
but tldr get a 400 juju, and we can make it work.
junior aurora
ive since swapped to a MA build that i like a lot more but definitely feeling it on energy
ember forum
what boss are you using galecallers?
lone junco
all.
ember forum
galecallers is like trechorus , its only good on sim
bleak spoke
yes.
lone junco
but i dont have a better trinket
bleak spoke
no it's not
ember forum
in a perfect world, its good
bleak spoke
galecaller's is amazing
bleak spoke
at least in dungeons for me
junior aurora
running 2 nothing personals monkey?
ember forum
you need to have a 95% active rate on it
for it to be good
im running 3 sadly
3DD, 3NP
junior aurora
says you got a treacherous covenant
ember forum
thats just what topgear
junior aurora
ah
ember forum
that trech is a NP
junior aurora
guess your only option is a SOB instead
junior aurora
yeah i swapped to 2 dd/1 eb instead and went MA
ember forum
Im enjoying playing master assasin
lone junco
Ill stick to 2ss subterfuge.
ember forum
33DD, 3NP im bursting for 70k without lust
junior aurora
im much more consistent in my parses now
bleak spoke
in an ideal world with MA you'd get like 3 DD 1 NP and 2 TC right?
junior aurora
yeah
lone junco
3s50% ma is so limp compared to shoulders.
ember forum
TC sucks
lone junco
big meh from me.
ember forum
not be fooled by a sim sitting infront of a dummy taking 0 dmg and never having to move
lone junco
yeah. 100% 5 -6 sec.
bleak spoke
wtf that's big dam
junior aurora
its either run a TC or run a 2nd NP for me
ember forum
@junior aurora do you raid mythic?
lone junco
MONGO dps
junior aurora
no
ember forum
do you do high keys?
autumn stag
Bleed counter addon anyone?
ember forum
like 19s +?
junior aurora
no
ember forum
then TC is fine for you
lone junco
@autumn stag wa?
ember forum
I should announce that im strictly speaking on Mythic Raid / High Keys
lone junco
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lone junco
I use Mizerok
autumn stag
thanks
junior aurora
yeah TC is really good imo for most players then
if you can prevent taking damage regularly
shy axle
do you switch between SS/Subt and ST-traits/MA on per fight basis in BFD or just going one route for everything?
royal lantern
how do you handle it with master assassin when vendeta and vanish is up but toxicblade is on a ~10sec cd?
wait for tb or use?
ember forum
like Normal / Heroic BoD (raid) you never take extreme amount of dmg. mind you theres alot of AoE dmg, but you can feint it off
ember forum
@royal lantern ur TB should ALWAYS LINE UP with ur vanish
if it doesn,t you're using it wrong
royal lantern
first time this expac im playing with master assassin lol
junior aurora
@shy axle i dont think theres a fight that SS is good on in BFD
lone junco
unless you are using ss for raw st
junior aurora
even then youd probably get more raw st from double dose
lone junco
pretty sure my last ss was 0.3% loss from DD
lone junco
and 0.3 can be made up for in 1 single mechanic run.
shy axle
yeah read different things, first that you are "fine" to use DD/NP/MA for all, but ravenholdt says it "might" be a goto for 2/3rd Boss. But tbh i did not raid much because of work and uni so i can`t speak from experience at least yet
lone junco
Oh i have to run out?
real bay
you cant play DD wrong unless you miss mutilate casts
lone junco
If you run out and delay TB by 4 sec. taadaaa
hollow stone
Haha. You know i love you @lone junco
lone junco
i know you know i know
junior aurora
i could see SS being decent on 2nd boss
junior aurora
i cheesed my way to an orange opulence parse but thats the first time ive gotten orange this xpac
lone junco
I didnt enjoy uldir that much.
lone junco
weird fights are weird.
junior aurora
all the fights ive done this raid have been good tho minus grong
lone junco
Ilvl gronk parse is my validation 😐
junior aurora
grongs just boring
lone junco
I love patchwerk
junior aurora
i think opulence has been my favorite so far, but we're only 6/9 so far
bleak spoke
my guild makes me play lock for progress feelsbadman
lone junco
we got to heroic monk/wizard sky game. and it was too late to even grasp the concept
Stupid fucking sky portal shit.
I got new weps. so im going to dumpster last weeks.
I went up 2k dps from a 390 socket wep and 390 WQ offhand.
real bay
got a 400 wep but its for outlaw
lone junco
honestly gonna be sad if gronk winds up being just short of 2:30
will murder my vanish round.
junior aurora
mine looks so different
for the same fight lol
17% melee misses time to go farm some +hit gear
bleak spoke
lone junco
the 300k opulance peak i saw last week looked pretty nice.
junior aurora
300k lmao
lone junco
opal stack delayed vanish.
royal lantern
feels sooooo good
junior aurora
i think i did 30k overall opulence for the orange parse
royal lantern
mekka hc farm run
royal lantern
i got the first 2bombs, first 2 shrunks
and 2xs on vanish only 2 cp with mulitate
#1logs inc
lone junco
it could have been 100% for 3 sec. or 50% for 5 sec
junior aurora
i had to run red gem last week but i made the monk take it this week bc he didnt have to heal
bleak spoke
they should make a dh take red gem imo they spam so much
junior aurora
we dont have a dh
bleak spoke
like autos and dot ticks don't actually stack it
royal lantern
dh/outlaw/fury are the best for it imo
sticky enough too not drop stacks and spammy
junior aurora
imagine if they never nerfed sub
and sub could have doubled down on eviscerate combos...i was getting 100k envenom crits i can't even imagine what those eviscerate crits would look like
bleak spoke
i still think sub might be worth trying
junior aurora
sub is the worst rogue spec on it according to wlogs stats
outlaw is by far the best
lone junco
for M+?
lone junco
was that Zuul sub?
primal gazelle
ya
lone junco
I tried that on heroic and couldnt get the 2xfury to stop gibbing the craigs.
fuckers
My sub tornado got exactly 1 6cp combo
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lone junco
Mythic Gronk
Good to see Loktark on there.
there is only 1 sin rogue there running ma /3dd. no ss
junior aurora
the top sin rogue tho
junior aurora
3 NPs
lone junco
quite a few people still having 1ss
mythic opal though. Holy shit.
the sin version.
thats just 1 ss
bleak spoke
ah ok
lone junco
but I guess once you have 40% opal, you could smash some trash if the DH didnt.
autumn stag
How do you make a use trinket macro that doesnt spam "item not ready yet" in error speech when the trinket is on cd?
lone junco
I think i turn of error speech all together.
real bay
yes just disable it
modern smelt
slow mortar
Does MP buff DD damage?
slow mortar
Welp
slow mortar
Now to get a DD and try, also if mastery buffs
royal lantern
tbf, i think there is a outlaw nerf incomming
royal lantern
its good, but only dh and warlock are allowed too be good most of the time
but yeha, it feels slightly overtuned right now
lone junco
guess I should look for some spare DS and give it a go
shy axle
DS is that pistole shot trait?
junior aurora
yea
echo cargo
triple NP O_o
royal lantern
the problem is, outlaws traits are too strong when you can stack them multipe times
3x deadshot is insane burst
junior aurora
3x between the eyes into a 3x deadshot proc oof
lofty chasm
does it matter which enchant you have in mainhand / offhand?
rose perch
there's a veeery slight benefit to having your better stat on the mh
lofty chasm
ok cool. my old main hand had quick nav with socket so so I will just simply keep enchants and put it in offhand
rose perch
yeah that's absolutely fine!
shy axle
@royal lantern yeah, but if you nerf outlaw, it has nothing left. Maybe it`ll stay like DH
Hate that there are nomore any big chances to classes before every new raid. Last was ToS if i remember correctly, since then just "ah this 3%, that 2% and cvall it a day"
real bay
if they nerf it they need to do the same for some other classes..
junior aurora
dh should be nerfed
velvet forge
well, yeah, but if they were going to fix DH they would have done it by now
real bay
yep, but they cant nerf the only dps spec the class has 
rose perch
if any melee need nerfing it's sin and outlaw imo
velvet forge
well, thats true, as assassin i out dps high DHs by 20+% on 14+ keys
just dont tell anyone
hollow stone
Too bad blizz balances around raiding
velvet forge
@rose perch shh
hollow stone
Dh will live forever
ruby idol
The good demon hunters keep up with sin
real bay
they cant really balance around 5man where there is a crap load of mobs sometimes
ruby idol
They dont keep up with outlaw
junior aurora
sin just works very well in a dungeon setting
real bay
unless they do some magic that changes how your class works in instances/raids separately
vestal wren
how about sub?
ruby idol
Sub needs an aura buff
velvet forge
ya, i mean outlaw is better on reaping, by a bit but assn is better small pack and boss dmg
somber hill
is there a new opener for SS with subterfuge and toxic blade?
hollow stone
They should give the phys dmg buff to outlaw so we can finally be done with the joke that is ww monk
rose perch
is there any discord addon i can find that automatically reacts 
to everything dad says?
real bay
yea i think WW monk is stupid
ruby idol
This sin beats outlaw on boss dmg in keys meme needs to stop