What are you guys thinking on 415 to roll on for resid prob chest??
#assassination
final stone
rare hemlock
I'd wait until I could choose the piece I want instead of random, but that's me.
hollow matrix
@vestal wren hey right on man, thx for gettin the ball rollin cuz i forget things little things like that all the damn time
rigid mango
I've never really played assa and tryna get into it, where is SS ranked on traits? Ravenholdt puts it very high up but bloodmallet only does with sub
Also where do you rate EB for m+ as that's the main thing that I do
rigid mango
For m+?
primal gazelle
yes m+
dawn coyote
Anyone here able to tell me if NE shadowmeld will work during boss fights to get re-stealth for SS garrotes?
primal gazelle
doesnt work
solid nova
You get the empowered garrote, but not the subt bonus
dawn coyote
Alright so I won't be able to get multiple of them out then that kinda sucks
strange lichen
In BoD, is it only worth taking MA if u have 3 DD traits? I found myself struggling hard conclave and the beginning of King Rastakhan..towards the end I catch back up. Sims show MA is highest for patchwork, but the movements and other targets are making a little harder
zenith stone
Does double dose stack ?
static coral
So woulld bloodmallet or hero damage be considered more accurate?
zenith stone
or is it pointless having it on 2 pieces of armour
solid nova
Same
hollow matrix
double dose is amazing to stack
solid nova
Ill pass it on cheers
shut pasture
@solid nova meanwhile is icyveins/wowhead ok for guides?
rigid mango
Does NP stack?
buoyant flicker
anyone got a macro so i dont have to swap toxic blade and exsang all the time?
shut pasture
π
solid nova
Like 2017?
shut pasture
yea
solid nova
Yeah i remember π
shut pasture
π
solid nova
arctic harness
Decent
solid nova
Yeah definitely mate
shut pasture
like on a +15-18 level?
strange lichen
In BoD, is it only worth taking MA if u have 3 DD traits? I found myself struggling hard conclave and the beginning of King Rastakhan..towards the end I catch back up. Sims show MA is highest for patchwork, but the movements and other targets are making a little harder
arctic harness
Sim it, I guess
solid nova
3dd MA is out there, but depends on what else you've got from your top gear sim
ST sim vs actual raid fight, should be taken with a pinch of salt when considering changes
shut pasture
also can rogue get nerfed or do blizz not care about m+ balance
solid nova
Can they, sure. Will they? Who knows mate
civic palm
@buoyant flicker
/cast [talent:6/2] Toxic Blade; [talent:6/3] Exsanguinate
I'd be surprised if outlaw doesnt get addressed
shut pasture
I mean they let rogue thru legion without gutting them
primal gazelle
@civic palm how do u adjust the #showtooltip part of that?
civic palm
Just have it say #showtooltip, nothing weird
solid nova
You just leave it as #showtooltip
primal gazelle
kk
rigid mango
Is assa last when it comes for rogue in m+?
solid nova
No
rigid mango
Aight
civic palm
It's "Melee" imo
ripe nimbus
I miss nightstalker being the go to talent in stealth row.. miss my free stealth movement speed
rigid mango
Oh yeah btw does NP stack well?
civic palm
no
rigid mango
Is a second stack still good enough to be better than SoB?
primal gazelle
in ST?
rigid mango
In general, m+
primal gazelle
sob for m+, np for st
rigid mango
And just stack as many EB as possible?
primal gazelle
ideally 3 EB
modest torrent
can someone enlighten me as to what EB is?
solid nova
modest torrent
ah
solid nova
I gotchu
modest torrent
ty
primal gazelle
the difference between 3 eb and 2 eb is pretty big imo
difference between doing 60k to reaping and 100k+
i downgraded my 415 ss piece to use a 385 piece with Eb on it just to triple stack
rigid mango
Which is the BiS chest for assa, m+ wise?
hollow stone
Prob the ss eb one. There's guides in announcements for all the available az gear
solid nova
Battle for Dazar'alor Azerite Drops https://bit.ly/2V0PwlJ
8.1 Dungeon Azerite Drops https://goo.gl/4udfQ4
rigid mango
Ah didn't know, thanks
dapper bough
Richard is da man
civic palm
lol
solid nova
Thanks π
fallen ginkgo
Plumage or Galecallers Boon for burst dps? 2nd trinket would always be Dice
wild edge
which stone do you take by Opulence? opal?
hollow stone
Gcb and dice i believe are bis (if everything is equal ilvl, etc). But you need to sim em to see
solid nova
Yeah id say GCB>Plum if same item level
hollow stone
If youre talking pure burst, gcb def better because of how it interacts with ss
Erm, xsang ss
primal gazelle
exsang isnt really a thing this tier anymore imo
echo night
Has any1 tried hidden blades now in M+ with 3x EB?
dapper bough
exsang is bae
bold ice
Is using Lazer barrage and the other uldir trait still decent for going into dazar? Or should I replace those with other generic ones?
dapper bough
sim yourseeelf
blissful tide
Exsang and toxic blade are both things lol depends on if you have stacks of SS or not for me toxic blade comes ahead by 5 dps on my sims
buoyant coyote
does evasion work on the monk mechanic on jadefire?
strange lichen
How do u all sim yourself for BoD? Cleave add/patch work, etc
solid nova
There's not an accurate way to sim for specific boss fights. You just need to sim ST and apply raid knowledge to determine any close simming talents and other factors that might be effected by cleave/aoe situations
alpine rain
where to find the new Raid bis azerite gear list
deep meteor
!ct
prisma monolithBOT
There is no specific week or affix that makes one or the other more viable.
CT vs PB is mainly down to your group, the dungeon itself and your pull sizes, with PB naturally having an edge in boss fights.
It's mainly the combination of affixes and dungeons that favour one or the other. High Tyr KR/Temple favour PB in general, due to low pulls and harder bosses.
In terms of Exsang vs TB; Exsang wins since it works well with SS traits and it's only 1 global on your priority target for some burst damage and extra energy.
TB usually locks you to that target to gain the most out of it.
alpine rain
nvm check pins π
icy ember
TB locks you to a target? wut
solid nova
Yes?
icy ember
hm i didnt realize that
rigid sonnet
if you want to do max dmg it does
solid nova
Well why TB and then change target?
alpine rain
i mean yeah you want to attack the target that you used TB on xD
solid nova
Wasted TB
rigid sonnet
not physically locking u tho
alpine rain
on sims
icy ember
we talkin bout toxic blade right
hollow stone
Tb and vend both do. If you are not a fan of being "locked" to a target, sin is not the spec for you
hollow stone
It debuffs the mob to make it take more nature dmg
solid nova
Well if you TB and then change target, you've wasted your TB
hollow stone
It locks you
icy ember
the more you know
rigid sonnet
it's just a small vendetta for nature dmg only
buoyant coyote
have anyboyd tried if monk air multi strike do nothing with evasion on
hollow stone
When youre up in the air??
buoyant coyote
on jadefire
inner pecan
why would it make a difference
buoyant coyote
im reatarded on spelling today
inner pecan
you need to face a target to dodge
buoyant coyote
idk cheeese
hollow stone
You dont need to dodge anything, you just face the one that is coming at you
No. Theres no cheese
inner pecan
even if you could dodge the strikes, dodge only works from front
therefore defeating the whole thing lol
hollow stone
And what famo said, cant dodge the one behind you that youre not facing even if it is a dodge-able mechanic
terse hinge
Living Action Potion hotfixed out βΉ
hollow stone
*all stun removal hotfixed out
hollow stone
And technically patched out since it was only after tues's patch :p
buoyant coyote
I have no issue doing the mechanic just though of evasion dodging most stuff ^^
hollow stone
Im the cheese lord and i still felt unclean using free actions for first kill
That was def not the design of the fight lol
royal lantern
my rl wanted everyone too buy a stack of them cus ''blizzard will not fix it lol''
well, now he wasted 50k, they always remove that stuff
hollow stone
Lol... we all sold ours after our kill cause "blizz will def fix this"
Thx for the gold
royal lantern
they dont want us too farm old stuff for current content(thank god for that)
hollow stone
Exactly. And yea, thank god
Imagine having to go back to mc or something for raid mats..
dark crag
!azerite
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Azerite Season 2 changes: https://bit.ly/2U86I7o
lost sentinel
hmmm, triple double dose w/ MA and subt simming the same results w/ no SS:
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/i2585K7acLFs7AWqCTopZD
I think I'll take 1 SS + subterfuge, since it's pretty nice in BOD
says only -.5% on a single target
quick scaffold
what are the best azerite pieces you can drop from dungeons?
solid nova
Yeah sounds like a plan
quick scaffold
For head and chest
hollow stone
Battle for Dazar'alor Azerite Drops https://bit.ly/2V0PwlJ
8.1 Dungeon Azerite Drops https://goo.gl/4udfQ4
quick scaffold
I thank you
solid nova
4mins π€
blissful tide
I do default Richard
solid nova
Default is 5?
hollow stone
I saw that too, richard, lol
blissful tide
Wtf I guess I changed it once on my pc and it never changed π€
Running again at 5
hollow stone
Sim it and check the apl @crude bay. Idk if that trinket is good for sin. But its very good for outlaw according to my OL guildie
blissful tide
It was 19.4 with both weapon enchants the same I fixed it let me see
desert vault
I feel like I should run at least one NP over double TC ...
solid nova
No dont double enchant
hollow stone
Tc > np unless the tc nerf was too much but i dont think it was
hollow stone
It's week 2
desert vault
Right, I guess its pointless to really sweat too much
hollow stone
By end of tier i almost guarantee top logs will have 2-3 tc
desert vault
and I suppose TC is better overall for aoe and st right?
hollow stone
Yea. Tc and dd are our strongest st traits as sin. Tc helps with cleave n aoe as well
desert vault
Yeah, I guess its a nice balance with 2x TC, 2x DD, and 2x SS
buoyant coyote
hollow stone
Ss is not great for st. but it helps on those cleave fights
desert vault
I just like having a build that is good for going back and forth from m+ and raid, too lazy to reforge constantly
hollow stone
My goal will be 3 dd, 2-3 tc, 0-1 ss or 0-1 np. Depending on drops
hearty oriole
!azerite
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Azerite Season 2 changes: https://bit.ly/2U86I7o
hollow stone
The problem is raid v m+ you want completely different traits now
Raid you want dd tc np. M+ you want ss eb sob
desert vault
Right, but I don't push super high keys, my poor man's version of M+ will just be SS, TC and DD π
I actually got a pair of 400 shoulders with EB and SoB on it as well, so I can use that for m+
solid nova
Nice
desert vault
The Canonball trinket isn't the worst thing in the world for M+ right?
Friend said it does 2-3% of his overall, well he is like a 415 socketed so ... I got a 410 from my chest, might run with it some
hollow stone
Yea. Thats a good plan then given what you wanna do. Cannonball trinket is ehhh because it depends on the mobs/boss staying still
So its not the worst, but its far from the best
desert vault
Oh fort weeks I'll run it in place of my GCB maybe
hollow stone
Sim it. It may be better than your alternative
desert vault
See what it feels like
unkempt temple
does the kimbul trinket scale with our mastery?
hollow stone
Yes. Just so you know how to do it (or that youre doing it right). Click to view full html report. Go to abilities. Look at the interval. The interval in this case is 90 sec (the trinket's cd). So it wants you to use on cd
crude bay
Yeah, thats what i looked at
hollow stone
Perfect!
sturdy python
Can post it and someone may be able to look
latent wing
fair blaze
Use opener from ravenholdt.net, cause you did only one garrote from stealth and you are playing with subterfuge
latent wing
but everyone on warcraftlogs play subterfuge
fair blaze
Yes but it's not about subterfuge but it's about your opener
latent wing
ok i check the opener
fair blaze
Also try to not refresh dots during TB window
You want to maximize 4+ Envenoms during TB
Like 2 or more Envenoms at 4CP are good, so pool a bit energy before TB comes on CD
latent wing
TB? sorry
solid nova
Toxic blade
latent wing
ah got it
fair blaze
Uptimes are pretty good
latent wing
ye thats not difficult <.<
lament adder
Yo guys
lament adder
I'm watching this Method rogue and he's letting his bleeds fall off many times in a single fight. I can understand letting a empowered bleed fall off to get the most of it but why would he let them fall off so often ?
sturdy python
Maybe focused on other things?
lament adder
Ravenholdt.net suggests different and this is not the first rogue I see do this
real bay
guessing he is focusing a lot on staying alive.. dont see other reason
stay alive, dead boss
sturdy python
Do they actually fall off or is he waiting until right after they come off to reapply
lament adder
Idk he doesn't seem like he's in danger a lot and I counted him letting bleeds fall off at least 3 times in a row
They are completely falling off
drifting cloud
yeah no shit, theyre playing exsang
sturdy python
Then he's just messing up I suppose
vestal stump
Who are you watching?
hollow stone
Maybe method's rogues are just bad 
sturdy python
He already said the empowered ones are obvious, Ryler
Yeah obviously they're horrible 
hollow stone
Tbh, dont look at top tier prog raiders during prog because shit will not be ideal
Thats just how prog goes
sturdy python
Seriously though he's probably just focused on timers or something else
solid nova
WF progress vs generic rotation
lament adder
Sorry, using phone app and I stuck at linking things with it
solid nova
Theres gonna be some variance π
hollow stone
Yea. Youre way overthinking it
sturdy python
Or on accepting they'll only be 2nd place
bold hearth
Honestly unless it's a dps race staying alive is more important than anything else.
hollow stone
Theres too many reasons for why he/she may be doing that to give you a definite answer
lament adder
So if it's not a matter of staying alive( which I promise I will check ) what else would it be ?
dark crag
dead rogue deal no damage
lament adder
Ok
hollow stone
Could be that they need to stop dps for a mechanic to line up
Could be that he's doing a mechanic and cant maintain
drifting cloud
no hes just overstating it
hollow stone
Could be that his coffee is ready and he went to get it
drifting cloud
ive been watching yliajo and at most ive seen his bleeds be off for like 2 globals
hollow stone
Could just be misplay
lament adder
That's a lot of seconds to me
dark crag
Does he stream?
real bay
2 globals, boss wont die 
dark crag
Maybe ask him why
hollow stone
Could be that the healing is intensive and its more beneficial to prio cv over maintaining bleeds
mint garden
I read http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/ but I have question to single rotation if I have 3 shrouded suffication and 3 echoing blades still mulltilet above fan of knives?
lament adder
So for my own education , am I doing my rotation to its max potential if I'm refreshing bleeds at the proper moments said by the ravenholdt.net site ?
hollow stone
Yes
sturdy python
Yes
real bay
doubt all other dps are going 110% on dps either, they cant waste rez on dps
have to focus on stuff
sturdy python
The guy is just messing up rotation a bit, don't think too much on it
I'd be doing much worse than that I'm sure
lament adder
Would you sit there afk for a couple global cooldowns to pool energy enough to be able to refresh bleeds and envenom after the elaborate planning buff from using ruptute ?
That's honestly what I do lol
sturdy python
Has no bearing on when you cast rupture, it's dynamic
mint garden
any of this yeses was for my question? ^^
sturdy python
Clipping EP with envenom has simmed to be no dps increase
lament adder
Sorry , my question was specifically , would you sit there pooling energy so that you can envenom AFTER EP from rupture falls off
Pool to refresh bleeds
mint garden
Thanks Richard ^^
hollow stone
Maintaining full up time on bleeds is mandatory if you want to do a "perfect rotation". If this is what youre asking
chilly hazel
is it only me that think Double Dose doing 2x more damage than Muitlate? thats dumb
strange python
good sin rogue youtubers?
lament adder
Gotcha Applejuicce, that's what I was asking
real bay
no bleeds, no energy, feelsbadman
hollow stone
I have 3 dd, 2x 390 and 1x 400 and my dd is about 50% of my mut over the course of a fight, where are you getting 200% from??
lament adder
Refreshing bleeds at proper moment above all costs ( which basically has caused me to get triggered from watching that Method rogue I mentioned lol)
thanks
chilly hazel
am stupid its around 50% yes
but my point stand
a trait that buffs one our abilities does more than the abilitiy itself?
thats so dumb
hollow stone
No. I dont think 7-8% dps increase over 3 traits is unreasonable
Thats less than 3% dps per trait
real bay
have you seen warriors use 3x LoW.. that shit is much more
than DD
there are many traits like this
chilly hazel
the whole system is fucked beyond anything i have ever seen
this Azerite shit is off
oof
hollow stone
I dont think you played early legion then
The system is fine. Not perfect. But its fine
real bay
lol, we can hope tier sets come back next exp
chilly hazel
i did play legion
there is nothing NOTHING that does more damage than your abilities
hollow stone
Early legion*
chilly hazel
no legndary no set bonus nothing
hollow stone
You trolling?
hollow stone
Yikes
solid nova
Wait
Theres nothing that ever did more damage than your abilities
Is that what you mean?
chilly hazel
no no no
there is nothing that buffed one of your spells but the buff did more damage than the spell it buffs
sturdy python
Bracers leggo for outlaw?
hollow stone
I dont even...
sturdy python
Pyro leggo for fire
sturdy python
As for sets maybe not that example but there were some that were ridiculous OP
chilly hazel
am dumb then
sturdy python
The tomb mage set is one
real bay
arms ToS xd
chilly hazel
that azerite and i know that was talking before than
but there was, just it didnt feel like it to me? or my frustration of the current rotation and class, makes it more apparent? and clouded my mind
probably
solid nova
Probably mate π
chilly hazel
real bay
vital haven
bit of a noob question, is there any point in a fight where poisoned knife is worth it?
real bay
build combopoints if running away from mechanic.. if ur capping energy anyway
hollow stone
Very very rare occasions. The only one that comes to mind is you have rupt on main target and offtarget and you cant swap to offtarget to reapp dp so you toss a dagger to keep your vw tickin'
Oh damn, thats another one
vital haven
so basically
avoid overcapping energy and applying poison from really far away
gotcha
stray salmon
for tyrannical weeks do you still want to run 3 echoing blades? It seems very worth it with reaping.
hollow stone
Probably
spice rock
im sitting at 15% haste and i feel like its a little too slow, energy regen is slow, having to replace sub gear
urban hare
hey guys, I have a question. is there a weakaura out there that helps track garotte, in terms of snapshotting and just keeping it up correctly?
sacred ore
urban hare
oh, thanks dude
sacred ore
Anytime
urban hare
i assume the one to use is the top one? for all specs?
celest inlet
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
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celest inlet
All of those have it, just delete the parts you dont want
sacred ore
True
celest inlet
and dont pandemic SS garottes
sacred ore
ye wait until it ticks off
brisk frost
i got mekkatorque's trinket today, and im already pissed about it. its so annoying to use
thats all, just had to share my pain
vapid terrace
^my sims dont even want me to use SS anymore either, its awkward now.
onyx rock
SS >all
lusty narwhal
Yeah It was a 250 dps loss for me to take SS over the 3rd DD
vapid terrace
sims show SS < by around 2%
lusty narwhal
Worth having SS for most fights because adds though so π€·π»ββοΈ
Waddya gunna do
real bay
would not say most is pad, maybe on hc some of it like first boss is full cheese
but on mythic it's different
solid nova
@scenic birch Are you looking for tips on your log?
solid nova
Openers not correct
Triple mutilating, finish on 4+
Not utilising Tb windows at all
Vanish window wasted
Massive amounts of downtime (far beyond whats expected)
Never do this
Over capping CPs
scenic birch
kk slowly π
solid nova
Thats you should be opening
scenic birch
but sometimes its difficult if tank moves boss shitty, i think i loose a lot of dmg in this case
solid nova
You're overcapping your combo points alot
zenith gust
guys, on opulence i am first until the adds come out.... then all aoe classes go over me... should i go with CT? it sucks
scenic birch
So overcap CP is the worst thing can happen?
scenic birch
So dot uptime and always do 2 evenoms in TB window is very important?
scenic birch
Okay π ty
molten finch
Fok, get like 3 ruptures up, then priority envemon main target
after a 3 garrote opener
I am curious about vanishing after the 3 and tagging 3 more
with garrote
strange python
What is the average uptime for TC?
scenic birch
@solid nova what about fight like conclave with adds? I loose a lot of dmg if a siwtch on adds
spice surge
@strange python 95%+
molten finch
garrote 1 add, then garrote another and another rupture on the last, and maybe vanish 3 more garrotes on 3 more targets with rupture on last
spice surge
On the majority of the fights
rigid mango
How do you get so many garrotes off?
molten finch
oh SS
celest inlet
sub
molten finch
if you dont have it this its diff
rigid mango
Currently running master ass
true lantern
So i have a question
strange python
@solid nova How did you see the ingame lagg? We talked about this the other day. I have slowed down my botton smashing alot. I still overcap some CPs but not nearly as many
true lantern
i was looking at wowanalyzer and i realize i waste a shit ton of combo points, is it better to use a 4 combo point envenom than wasting a combo point and maybe more for a 5 point one?
true lantern
okay
lone junco
@strange python
true lantern
yeah it was like "you used 181 combo points out of 204 " and im like yikes what the fuck
rigid mango
yeah
lone junco
@strange python you can check your fight logs and see hp graphs
true lantern
so many envenoms wasted
rigid mango
It's less effective to overcap 1 CP than it is getting off a 4 CP finisher
It's the same for all specs iirc
true lantern
thanks for the help
strange python
Thanks Noobe
potent monolith
when i have to use ensanguinate?
copper kestrel
Should I pool energy pre-TB to maximize the envenoms during it? With elaborate planning, I feel like it's probably all a wash (pooling/spiking reduces EP uptime)
And should I hold vanish & my 1.5m CD Trinket 30s to align with the 2min Vendetta CD?
solid nova
Yes and yes
rustic ether
@rigid mango small addition to what you were told, if you ever run deeper strategem, you will always be using finishers at 5+
rigid mango
well yeah, I thought that was pretty obv with what I said after
true rapids
What's the best gem to get on opulence?
solid nova
Opal
spice surge
on HC its prob worth to take emerald and pray you dont get liquid
Not enough adds spawn to warrant opal tbh
But mythic def opal
brisk frost
yeah thats what i though. since for example i didnt move a single step after we got to p2
but its just hc tho, havent killed him on mythic yet
lone junco
@solid nova totally borked my opal vanish last night. I vanished at 2stack on contact, hoping that boss would be alive 2 mins later. he was not.
heroic will probably have 2 vanishes, but normy, gonna have to hold until 20x .
sharp token
!guide
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/
solid nova
Raid dps being absolute units
lone junco
solid nova
Anyway see you in 6 hours, gotta get the standard rest in
lone junco
zzz
solid nova
I'm around a good 12-18hrs a day, pick more appropriate time slots 
rustic ether
@rigid mango sorry wrong person π
hardy anchor
Should I delay my Exsang to wait for Galecallers every time or should I just be using it on CD mainly?
lone junco
hollow stone
Xsang is dead anyway. Long live tb
hardy anchor
I got 3 SS D:< I can't quit now!
hardy anchor
I gotta learn how to play TB/MA again sometime, I avoided that shit all through Uldir.
lost tree
so the way is now DD 3x 1 or two SS for qol and then TB?
hollow stone
Right now its use what you got and sim for top dps with what you got
End of tier will likely be 3dd, 2-3 tc, 0-1 np. No ss
Except for cleave bosses
And even then..
lost tree
got the Head piece from Champs on myth π
hollow stone
Dat big boi bis for all tier. Gratz!
lost tree
thanks π
fickle viper
woops i dropped this mb guys
dark crag
Not that good
rose perch
Grats!
rustic ether
i got a 400 dice and im happy shit lol
hasty marsh
why is my mastery simming so high i feel i need more haste ( Pawn: v1: "Nylho - Assassination - Patchwerk (Raidbots)": Class=Rogue, Spec=Assassination, Agility=2.15, CritRating=2.24, HasteRating=2.24, MasteryRating=2.51, Versatility=2.16, Dps=10.90, OffHandDps=1.18 ) π€
hollow cloak
@hasty marsh what talents
hasty marsh
alpine rain
TB wants mastery
buoyant kraken
is it worth playing without shrouded for BoD?
spice surge
On bosses where damage to more than one target matters
Most bosses, no, and some bosses yes
hasty marsh
Exsanguinate is the talent to go atm right?
buoyant kraken
so do you still play subterfuge without shrouded? ma seems pretty hit or miss vs subterfuge seems pretty consistent
rose perch
You'll have to sim yourself but for me MA has been a few fractions of a percent higher
When I don't have SS
buoyant kraken
My MA seems like 400 dps higher
but whenever i play with it, seems really hit or miss
if you dont get double envenom crit its seems really shitty
pulsar goblet
Or if mut doesn't crit
rose perch
Try doing vanish TB mutilate envenom for a lower variance MA window
strange python
Should i be equipping an Agi gem in one slot? I see a lot of rogues just using all Haste gems (TB spec)
rose perch
@strange python usually agi Sims below secondaries for me, you'll have to sim yourself to be 100% sure but probably
strange python
I use raidbots and equip what it tells me is highest on light movement since no boss is patchwerk... chatting to some other rogues they said they read guides and go by that
does hero damage give a good indication about trinkets and powers or just sim every time?
south horizon
Always just sim everything. For me, mastery is simming slightly ahead of haste, but other rogue in our guild is simming haste higher. Agi is lowest of all though, only higher than off hand dps
sturdy python
Personal Sims are the best. Herodamage is a good quick reference but it's Sims are done with a template which won't match you. Guides are the same
honest onyx
Hello, do you think like "one trick pony" (Playing only assa) you can be wanted in mythic guild and maybe do CE?
buoyant kraken
@honest onyx yes, especially if assa keeps performing as is has done in the past
manic veldt
Yes assassins rogue doign pretty well in mythic. Try tp maximise combat too for opulence could be good
spice surge
Regardless of what spec you play, as long as you are good and show up "CE guilds" would want you
pulsar goblet
@manic veldt are the adds actually relevant on mythic
spice surge
Doesnt matter what spec or class you play
honest onyx
Well, what about case assa os bottom tier spec literally but you perform on it better than on other specs cuz you dont lkke them playing?
pulsar goblet
What level do you raid at
honest onyx
I told, mythic maybe CE
spice surge
Doesnt matter
pulsar goblet
If you're asking it probably doesn't matter
What do you have against the other specs though
spice surge
A 99 percentile low tier spec is most of the time better than a 44 percentile fotm reroller
honest onyx
Since i just hate those cases where rl force ppl other spec only cuz its broken on some boss (eg. Sub amd Zul)
spice surge
Just play what you enjoy
pulsar goblet
Why wouldn't you want to play sub for something like zuul though
spice surge
Then dont play in a guild that forces you?
honest onyx
And does guilds like that exists? Since in mythic ppl tend to fotm reroll..
pulsar goblet
Plenty
spice surge
? yes?
drifting cloud
sub on zul is like pretty niche scenario but ok
if you didnt go sub on zul you were actively holding your guild back
spice surge
As long as you're doing mechanics and doing decent damage, its fine
honest onyx
Welly sub on zul scenarii is one of cases where ppl can tell you, go sib or benched for example
And there is plenty of guilds like dat...
drifting cloud
yeah and it would have been deserved? even if your guild was rank 1k or whatever
we had people on 360 rogue alts for zul
this isnt a "this class does 10-20% more dmg scenario", sub rogue would double anyone else there
pulsar goblet
Just be good enough relative to whatever Guild you are in that your spec doesn't matter
honest onyx
So basically playinf class for 1 spec is not worth if you wanna mythic?
pulsar goblet
I played outlaw for pretty much every boss in uldir
drifting cloud
you can definetly play a class for 1 spec
jsut dont use mythic zul as an example
because its a really bad one
honest onyx
So you say if you get benched cuz on m zul you wannna play assa instead of sub is bad example. But this is one of situations where ppl force you to play smthg else.
drifting cloud
because on zul a sub rogue was worth 2 dpsers? whats so hard to udnerstand here
spice surge
Because on other bosses, you'd do 10% more damage as another specc
On zul you would do 100%+ more
lone junco
Host and Zul are different. "Playing Sub" is different than having a mastery set and spamming fok evisc. over and over.
spice surge
For the current raid all speccs are fine for all bosses
elfin quiver
Fk blizzard.. So now that Sub is completly decapitated, what does one play. Outlaw or Sin? Which one is more fun?
Made a rogue only to play Sub.. fml
lone junco
I hear SP is a monster
any why would you say Fk blizzard. Wow is better than the game you made. its their fucking game anyway. if you dont like it, dont play.
but nerds love to complain about shit ayy.
buoyant kraken
is there any reason i see people on logs stacking 2/3 nothing personal traits even though they could get 2/3 treacherous or double dose instead?
waxen vine
Quick question regarding master assassin - After you vendetta toxic blade mutilate vanish envenom, do you try to get off as many envenoms off as possible during toxic blade, or is it best to be energy efficient / more elaborate planning uptime
lone junco
doubt
@waxen vine dont worry about ep uptime during your 3 sec MA window. just use 3 skills. pref env mut env.
but MA is not 100% crit..
civic palm
@buoyant kraken Could they have chosen that on the gear that they have? (not NP)
lone junco
@buoyant kraken maybe they didnt want the TC penalty. might try asking them.
lost mist
is there a guide to BOD as a sin rogue?
buoyant kraken
might be
civic palm
For mechanics and whatnot?
lost mist
yes
lone junco
civic palm
This is what @gusty kestrel has written up so far - http://www.ravenholdt.net/battle-for-dazaralor-a-rogue-dps-guide/
lost mist
ty
buoyant kraken
i have the champions helmet, jadefire shoulders and mekka chest for 3x dd 1x NP and 2x Treacherous, but i even tho i sim like 600 dps higher with this and MA, i feel like 1 shrouded + subterfuge is pulling ahead even on ST
like i feel the burst is stronger with a shrouded than MA, which i suppose it shouldnt
civic palm
Well you should stop feeling like something might be pulling ahead and go see if it does.
lost mist
@buoyant kraken you will feel like u are god when u use Mut-mut-vendetta-tb-vanish-envenom-mut-envenom-mut-envenom at the middle of the fight
with MA
Your DD will crit 20-30k, envenoms 50-65k
buoyant kraken
Im just not sure where i see MA really pulling ahead if it isnt supposed to be in the opener
talking ST here
lost mist
and u see, talking ST, subt+SS pulling ahead at the middle of the fight, i mean, better than a crit env burst?
strange python
ok, i am prepared for a kicking for asking this BUT.... does it matter which weapon you put your enchants on?
civic palm
:3
honest vessel
is it important to envenom to keep elaborate planning up? or just focus on envenom buff uptime
elfin quiver
@lone junco I say whatever I want to say? And so you think its justified to nerf sub cuz of zul which hurts sub in m+ and then nerf them more cause they prob do some weird stuff in pvp? which then hurts then in PVE.. And they never been on top of the logs.. If you dont got anything wise to say then please, say nothing.. You didnt answer anything to what I asked. Right.. Forgot to add "ayy".. Jeez ppl theese days.
shy drum
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > mastery > vers >= haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.
civic palm
@elfin quiver
If you dont got anything wise to say then please, say nothing..
If this were actually a thing then no one would be speaking.
round harbor
@buoyant kraken ss + subt feels really good, but if it isn't simmimg or performing better than it's whatever. Also you gotta consider that ss is only valueable one every two minutes where's DD is litterally all fight. MA being in a shorter window also means that its not as big a deal if you don't keep EP up all the time during your empowered dots if you have to do a mechanic or something
rose perch
@honest vessel I wouldn't worry too much about either envenom uptime or EP uptime - both of those will come naturally from doing the rotation well, but you shouldn't really do anything special with those things in mind
honest vessel
back in legion you would hold envenom's to save energy by getting the most uptime per cast, is this no longer useful?
is our energy gain just that good passively?
strange python
squeeze as many 4-5 cp envenoms into the toxic blades is what i've been trying
while keeping garrote and rupture up
lone junco
2 envenoms into the Toxic Blades
and dont delay TB.
and dont drop bleeds.
and dont run out of your GCB circle like an idiot you should have cloaked that shit.
civic palm
lol
lone junco
its been a while. feels good to be back at it.
neon thunder
aite. i need some halp. any tips on getting better? well besides dying in some of the encounters (didnt know the fights, but i guess i know now). latest logs. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/PYQVBrAkJx1RXLw4 any advice much appreciated.
civic palm
π @lone junco π
lone junco
β€
civic palm
Instead of scowering through your logs is there one you feel you did well on but the results showed otherwise? @neon thunder
and don't say "all of them" because that will get you a lashing.
lone junco
i only like reviewing ST logs. Weird fights are weird
neon thunder
i dunno why im doing so poor on opulence tho i felt i played aite
and as for ST, grong
civic palm
Is that uhh...
neon thunder
i thought i was doing good, then flopped off hard
neon thunder
wooops for opulence yes
round harbor
Just suck less and do better
lone junco
@neon thunder opulence really has to do with Trash cleave. and also banging out your vanish at the 40% buff point.
round harbor
K I D D I N G
civic palm
Yeah, max cheese...
lone junco
My ST boss dmg was pretty high, but I didnt do shit on the trash.
civic palm
use our CDs well in the tunnels.
Just make sure you have everything you can for the +40% point.
or if things are dying gigaFast, the 20% point.
lone junco
right. dont be dumb like me and vanish at 4% thinking it would be back up at 40%. cause boss was dead.
neon thunder
aite, i sent that to outlaw, and ill take that into account.
round harbor
At the 18% buff I busted my vendetta cause I thought we were lusting there
lone junco
the TTD timer is way skewed
round harbor
I got cucked lol
neon thunder
any tips on Grong? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/PYQVBrAkJx1RXLw4#fight=11
round harbor
Still got like 93 parae or some shit but yeah could've been way higher
round harbor
Looks like ur second vendetta isn't synced with vanish
I'm on mobile so I can't confirm
civic palm
Yeah the timing is whack due to the VEND early on the Vanish being at the refresh point.
Looks like there was ~20 seconds between them being in sync, just wait.
round harbor
Also really bad kill time
Like half way between burst windows
Also idk if you did it or not but for the second vanish, garroting boss, running to the add if it's close then stepping back to boss for your three garrote window
civic palm
Since you're using Shrouded Suffocation you want as many of those ticks under Vendetta as possible.
If you were doing DD/ENV/etc. you could just make sure that your Vanish/MA window falls within Vendetta.
neon thunder
i usually play exang but TB started to sim better. and i got confused how to do the rotation for the second vendetta vanish, cuz when i played exsang, i tend to ugh, refresh dots, vendetta, exsang, then use vanish g g. not sure if that is ideal but its just been soething i have been doing and also if now its TB how does the rotation look when i want to line up vend with vanish?
lone junco
same ish. I was going to start playing 2ss 2dd subterfuge tb. and its a wonky open
neon thunder
@civic palm for the second screenshot do you mean why i didnt start attacking til 4seconds in or the opener is off?
untold current
Question - im switching from boon + exsanguinate to boon + toxic blade. SHould I be lining up boon with toxic blade at all or just when i am refreshing rupture and garrotte?
civic palm
@neon thunder Yeah either that or the log is weird/etc.
neon thunder
hmmm. i thought that was the opener for subterfuge and tb, as for why i didnt attack, i was alt tabbed expecting them to do a countdown but they just piulled lol
civic palm
Yeah the opener is fine, just the time before activity looked weird π
neon thunder
aaah okay
civic palm
Sometimes the website doesn't sync logs correctly or the upload is weird or the page doesn't render the timeline right, so it's best to just ask.
neon thunder
how to lineup vend and vanish with TB? vend vanish G R G? TB?
civic palm
Worry about lining up Vend+Vanish first, TB will fit where it fits.
neon thunder
okay
mossy adder
Should vanish be held for vendetta window or used on cd?
sturdy python
Hold for vendetta
After the second set they line up every time
Unless your fight ends somewhere between vanish and vendetta CDs of course but thats super specific
olive wharf
Newish to TB, do you literally "use it on cooldown", or do you prep for it with CP and refreshing bleeds first? (2x Double Dose if that matters)
Also, would you delay one for Vendetta or no?
mossy adder
Fuck ive been using vanish on cd this whole time
sturdy python
You shouldnt hold it, too much holding and you lose a cast over a fight
You can prep before it cokmes off CD
And no, you could delay vendetta for a small window for TB but chances are its not necessary since TB is such a small CD
olive wharf
Alright ty. Been having an issue w/ the bleeds sometimes dropping off but getting a full 4-5 CP Rupture (and the energy back) would lose like 6s or more. I assume using TB on cd is more important though.
sturdy python
Def dont want bleeds falling off. That hurets a lot
olive wharf
Which I try not to let them but I feel like sometimes I have to sacrifice a lot of energy/time refreshing, or overlapping a bit on the bleeds by doing them way earlier
civic palm
@lone junco utility CDs or not?
civic palm
OI!
sturdy python
lol same
lone junco
cause I never look over at my cd timer
Ok, they might be nice. I have been waiting on trix. and sprint and frint and step this week.
I have a bink sound for M4D ready btw. really helps with outlaw RT spamming.
sturdy python
bink bink bink bink bink
lone junco
if it ever became a sin talent
my 5cp/6cp was a shotgun cock and Mark was a bink.
Bink crunch bink crunch
my WA crashed in oct and never replaced it. but it was nice when i was learning rogue.
was really cool during Dreadblades.
civic palm
@lone junco I saw that > _>
lone junco
i changed my mind.
btw, the yellow EMP floats around out of combat
i just dont care
civic palm
Yeah the tracker requires an update to update.
If you feint or do almost anything it checks and goes away.
Just an annoying little thing
odd hatch
@untold current don't pop tb and then put your bleeds up. Refresh your bleeds right before tb's cd is up if they will fall off during the window, then tb and get as many envenoms off as possible
Obv 4cp+ envenoms tho
radiant python
So should be be aiming for 100% uptime on envenom, or as close to it as we can? Or do we pool our energy for busts as priority?
lone junco
env uptime is prob 62*-68%
merry python
for second vanish/TB and SS -> vanish first or vendetta first?
i know you hold the vendetta cd for vanish to come up
radiant python
Wow analyzer was rating me low for about a 60% uptime on envenom
Just wanted some human feedback
lone junco
quick ice
wowanalyzer isn't really up to date for sin
kind ocean
Anyone know if the same dagger is better in 380 w/ a socket, or 385 no socket? Can't really sim it since I'm trying to figure it out for pvp and crit isn't as good.
lone junco
sockets are huge
radiant python
Sim it
lone junco
esp for offhand.
lone junco
mainhand wep dmg matters.
offhand wep is garbage. stat stick. so sockets are worth like 25 ilvl
use Raidbots. to test mainhand swaps.
kind ocean
Yeah its tough to sim since in pvp you want Haste > Mastery, but simming stays you want crit which isn't correct. Can't sim for pvp sadly
hexed sail
What's your best min max move?
lone junco
stab, then slice
idle vigil
hey few questions about m+
im running with crimson tempest
when is it worth to crimson tempest vs multidot
like if its 3 adds, is it worth multidotting everything then crimson tempesting
and at what point is it worth spamming shuriken/CT like how many adds
trail bronze
rose perch
on 2 targets you should maintain the CT bleed as a lower priority than ruptures
on 3+ targets you should maintain the CT bleed as a higher priority than ruptures (so first finisher should be CT)
on like 9+ targets you can spam CT, maintaining only enough bleeds to never miss a global from energy starvation
unkempt gulch
What are you guys doing with cooldowns on the opener for mythic Grong?
unkempt forge
Why ravenholdt said, and i see some people on log with 2-3 personal traits
quick ice
usually means they don't have a better choice, or don;t understand that part doesn't stack
fleet whale
just did freehold 11 and got a 400 dice at the end π
fleet whale
probably not gonna replace it for a while
onyx falcon
whacha mean? incoming 425 socketed leech dice next run
fleet whale
my 400 dice had leech on it
onyx falcon
mine was base =[
pastel wasp
low junco
got 3x 420 items yday
1 is actually 425
actually lucky af
crit versa crit haste and haste versa stats 
strange lichen
on mythic grong, is there way to see who is getting targeted by the missile?
civic palm
e z p z
civic palm
I was about to be like... I think mine was from something like that as well...
lemme link it.
lone junco
was 0.6% over my 355 socket
civic palm
sockerPOWER
lone junco
little wings come out
civic palm
Yeah but ain't that off-color a bit?
civic palm
The shoulders are kinda redish/purple.
lone junco
sure
lone junco
this bird kit is ok
desert jungle
Hey all I am still pretty new to rogue. I played some sin and outlaw. I ran some sims last night for both, they came very close for st but outlaw was 4K higher in dungeon slice, with a worst mainhand. Is that normal? Or am I not optimizing properly? Thanks in advance
civic palm
Do the drood. Icecrown green set, matching skirt, antlers. @lone junco
Outlaw has nice AoE buttons.
lone junco
civic palm
Yeah but not that helmet, +dress, +antlers.
lone junco
isnt that icecrown?
civic palm
Also there's a green/red version.
desert jungle
So outlaw should sim higher for aoe?
civic palm
Mmm, poor dress.
lone junco
i dont do xmog
civic palm
There's one from Icecrown.
lone junco
summer flame red ones are nice
lone junco
i still like the one from naxx.
civic palm
yee, or the ones from uhhh Black Temple/Hyjal
There are three new ones from BfA that have fur tops that are nice, red/green/grey versions.
lone junco
dreadlord deciet looks like a locust beetle or something
civic palm
=\
short wasp
u need echoing blades for reaping, correct?
elder cypress
can u discuss transmog shit in the channel for it?
civic palm
Nope.
lone junco
as soon as there is a sin question
short wasp
I feel like every other class is blowing me outta the water due to AOE. They all 29k and Im sitting 20k with 2 SS and a DD
supple hearth
civic palm
Correct.
elder cypress
i swoped 3 times between channel because is was searching input why my dps is not found
civic palm
Those aren't very strong on-demand AoE traits.
lone junco
seli was holding 29k overall against a dh at 34k
short wasp
I guess AOE burst is kinda reigning king atm
civic palm
Yeah but after a certain number of mobs that number does nothing for EB.
You're at the crit trigger cap quickly.
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
short wasp
yea its insane. Before patch I was usually top dps with 2 SS and 1 DD, but now im a far 2nd and maybe 3rd. This reaping man. forcing me to go Echo
lone junco
he did shift to TB/PB
civic palm
EX is gigaShit this season.
lone junco
idk. maybe the Twist helped with his DP fok dmg.
i didnt look at the details of overall though.
civic palm
Well it should have, and since he's not playing Scent there RUP isn't of huge importance.
Especially since things don't live.
opal meadow
π¦ i keep getting assigned to the red gem on opulence, rip me
civic palm
in other news
PBOMB on Opulence @ 40% with MA feels like Legion again... a little bit.
opal meadow
MA?
lone junco
cool
outer ruin
@scenic birch the real question though. what is that weapon mog?
scenic birch
its hellfire citadel mythic dagger
outer ruin
new mog mission. tyty
next ingot
Wow, German must be a nightmare for UI programmers
Agility, Agilidad, AgilitΓ©, AgilitΓ ----> Beweglichkeit
round harbor
lmao
couldnt have scuffed my opener any more, and its the pull we kill it
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
kms
real bay
Lul
round harbor
pressed my vendetta macro inside global so it didnt trigger
real bay
looking at some top logs see some scuffed vanish/vendetta usage but that's likely due to not knowing fight lenght for sure
not a big difference I guess.
real bay
yep did many vendetta just before add spawned.. learned later lol
strange python
hey guys is rogue in a good spot atm to get a spot in a good guild? around top 500-1000?
or are the rosters to big at the moment with melees.
Lol
Be a semi competent player and you'll get a spot 500-1000
or is the chance higher as lock? cuz im range? my characters close together.
patent topaz
rogue seems pretty good in m+ this season, did 27k overall in freehold 11. Beat fury warrior by 3k and frost mage by 10k π
tacit plinth
https://i.imgur.com/n8eaFex.png Is this the optimal burst window rotation
spark raft
Rogue is always good in M+
patent topaz
frost mage 17k overall seems pretty low though
real bay
looks like overwrite emp garrote there after the rupture
this is why there is 2 garrote casts + finisher
assuming that's on the same target
junior hamlet
Hey, so I've switched from Sub to Assa yesterday, and in Uldir I played Tank. So sorry for the noobie questions, but I did not find my answer in the guide.
-
Ravenholdt and other guides recommend Poison Bomb for M+, but I've still seen people talk about Crimson Tempest in the past. When is CT useful, if ever?
-
So in Legion and now, it seems a good idea to keep up bleeds and poisons on two targets as well, but for fights like the Monk-Mage duo or the Council of the Chosen in BoD, when targets might stand quite a bit apart from each other, should I still try to keep Bleeds / Poisons on them too?
Thanks in advance, and sorry if the questions are really stupid.
vestal wren
!ct
prisma monolithBOT
There is no specific week or affix that makes one or the other more viable.
CT vs PB is mainly down to your group, the dungeon itself and your pull sizes, with PB naturally having an edge in boss fights.
It's mainly the combination of affixes and dungeons that favour one or the other. High Tyr KR/Temple favour PB in general, due to low pulls and harder bosses.
In terms of Exsang vs TB; Exsang wins since it works well with SS traits and it's only 1 global on your priority target for some burst damage and extra energy.
TB usually locks you to that target to gain the most out of it.
junior hamlet
oh sorry
jovial plume
!trinkets
ember pulsar
If they are far better don't do this. On jadefire you can try but on conclave it's more difficult because logs don't look at dps done before boss heals to full HP. Of course you can dot for resources but only if they are close and you are sure it's worth
strange python
I am still fucking up the opener and capping CP. But a lot less now then before. Managed to get some orange yesterday:) yey
Thanks for all the tips :) still need to sort out world lagg / lagg comp. Anyone know how to do That?
vestal wren
!sims @jovial plume
prisma monolithBOT
BfA Simulations:
Herodamage: https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html
vestal wren
gz π
buoyant coyote
I may have spilled monster over my keyboard when i got it haha
vestal wren
well i got it in hc yesterday
and my one was buggy so i played like half of the raid without traits on it (i fixed it with re-specing in the break)
i simmed it today, no traits vs. skilled is a diffrence of ~10% dps
royal lantern
Dont have the mythic helm,but got the gloves on ilvl420,so i dont complain
willow pulsar
TC after the nerf isn't simming better than first NP, for me
verbal mantle
mighty elm
eager kernel
@royal lantern got those 2 dw we will just get head next week
buoyant coyote
ew panda!
mystic charm
hei bois, simming for m+ is still 5x patchwerk 40 seconds ?
vestal wren
!m+
prisma monolithBOT
Use the fight style Dungeon Slice (Beta) for a M+ simulation on Raidbots.
mystic charm
!m+
prisma monolithBOT
Use the fight style Dungeon Slice (Beta) for a M+ simulation on Raidbots.
mystic charm
π
slim jetty
i thought Dungeon Slice is crap. it says i need more haste but i generate my energy with the bleeds.
vestal wren
it sims for the whole dungeons not only packs
odd hatch
How are you able to tell if a trait is bugging out? I could tell with the reorigination array, but not with double dose, for example
vestal wren
it was visible to me bc. i played subtlety and inev (that extends symbols) did not work at all even tho i had it skilled
so it was easy for me to just open the log and look at the runtime of symbols (that was flat 10 sec bc. the traits didnt work)
odd hatch
Right that makes sense
Is there even a method to finding out if a non-buff trait is bugged?
vestal wren
logs
or target dummy, you can only use 1 azerite piece and see if you get the traits
odd hatch
Ohh i like that method. As for logs, I didnt know we could differentiate between 1 dd vs 2 dds
vestal wren
you could isolate it with some simple math
also respecing the piece fixed the issue for me, i guess its not a very frequent bug
vestal wren
maybe i was just unlucky, its usually quite noticable if you do significantly less damage
odd hatch
I always chalk it up to bad crits lmao
vestal wren
i just say, dont panic it might be a bug i run into that might only happen very rarely
odd hatch
There are legit times where i will get 11% env crit on a fight.. when i have 23% crit. I like your thought process better though
vestal wren
dungeon slice slightly overvalues st
it factors in st too, if you just want wights for aoe you need to run a diffrent fight script
mystic charm
π
vestal wren
if you run sth with bosses just dont forget to dissable stuff for the sim
is the fight script, feel free to modify to your liking
strange python
I find M+ hard to sim and instead just go for a stat set that applies to every situation. A sim is always nice but getting all the restealths, pulls, kiting (no GCB) and so on makes it, in my opinion, not good
I know the aim think of that
vestal wren
thats why you can make a custom fight script
its not easy but its sth to consider if you want to have a specific scenario covered
cloud iris
Yo where can i find tisumi's guide again?
solid nova
I mean pulls/kiting/group playstyle will always be the limitations of generic m+ script
In the pins @cloud iris
cloud iris
Ah yea cheers
solid nova
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vestal wren
its also linked in the last #announcements
strange python
I guess you are correct, it makes sense. I just was so stuck at simming for M+ at the start and as soon as I went over to a more generic stat build it became better