any reason mastery is simming equal to crit/haste?
#assassination
rose wagon
hollow stone
Haha, too true
civic palm
@true ingot Never take Emerald.
hollow stone
Guess i'll just keep opal copy pasta'd on my phone for fast action
lone junco
I liked opal last night.
solid nova
Yeah itll die down by next week
lone junco
fok on the waves. I got up to +40% dmg.
hollow stone
Yea. Its very strong cause fok stacks em up quick with the adds spawning right there
1 gcd for like what? 6 stacks?
lone junco
i got up to 20x. dunno if that was max. or if thats all we got to
hollow stone
I believe there's no max on opal. But tbh, didnt do much research and killed the boss in only a couple pulls
civic palm
haveToSlowDownForTheOtherSideAnyway...Take3xEB
hollow stone
Ahahahahaha. Dude... we had 1 where 2 people from the other side came our side... had like a 35% difference. It was awful
lone junco
hollow minnow
!azerite
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hollow stone
Hmm. That makes me think that it may cap, based on your log there
2 big jumps then 1 small jump to 20
civic palm
Fewer targets could explain that as well.
civic palm
The Limit guide says it stacks infinitely.
hollow stone
That was my understanding as well
hollow stone
Ok fine. Youre not terrible, whatever
lone junco
i mean, i am. but typ not very wrong.
hollow stone
Thats good info to have :p. I wonder if maybe it's infinite on mythic
Or maybe they changed it to a cap for live
Haha, nah, you gucci, my man
civic palm
It being infinite could lead to abuse as well, so it being capped is good so long it's balanced correctly.
lone junco
the longer the fight lasted the more OP cheese inc.
so cap is prob fine.
this is interesting though.
pb hits on the trash.
nice
balmy condor
play mp you wont
lone junco
its actually in the top 5 of the combinations on hd
civic palm
Always has been.
Least top 10.
Most of our options that care ST related have been close for a while.
civic palm
ye
hollow stone
Mp is even more boring than ep. Ded spec is ded
brittle coral
EP vs MP. EP sims higher by 120dps
hollow stone
I wonder if we will shift back toward mastery by the end of this tier..
sturdy python
Always do
hollow stone
I was thinkin' we wouldnt hit the mast point this tier but lookin like a solid maybe
bleak spoke
Pugging opulence right now and opal + crimson tempest with an eb is slamming the adds holy moly
lone junco
now do ep vs mp in a boss fight that has waves of 6 mobs aoe, but hard st prio
opal is pretty fantastic
bleak spoke
Like 7.2m in 3 waves
lone junco
just need to convert that +40% in to a strong execute on boss.
honestly, the fok for opal into a vanish exang is gonna be my cheese
civic palm
justRollRet
lone junco
eww. I dont roll.
brittle coral
so is EP the play?
hollow stone
Sim yo self is the play. But ep is still probably ahead for most of us
sturdy python
NS>CT on adds
sturdy python
For cheese? Ofc they matter!
lone junco
+40% dmg is nice
worldly furnace
Which gem for opulence?
hollow stone
Opal
worldly furnace
ta
hollow stone
First!
sturdy python
Whomp
buoyant coyote
So i need suggestions
Im starving energy to keep bleeds up on everything during jadefire master
2th ally boss
bleak spoke
how are you starving tho, rupture is energy positive
hollow stone
Only if you keep dp on the rupt target doe
hollow stone
Yup, just mentioning it as that may have been the prob for him/her
sturdy python
Keep bleeds on it, mut when you can to refresh poisons. Knife if necessary
lone junco
hahha. gonna retire my Timewalking garrote set.
time for shoulder cloak 3x fok.
the soul capacitor pop should be good.
lone junco
g g g ct with 4p20 and 2ss soulcapacitor
was doing like 4-8x more dmg than the other 2 dps.
gonna try 3 EB + cloak + shoulder + ns.
should be easier. just stealth and fokfokfokfokfokfokfok
spiral blade
.
sturdy python
You don't need to think about envenom uptime
buoyant coyote
but that would reslut in low dps?
lone junco
the 4p20 is still probably better than shoulder + cloak + eb + Hb
royal lantern
got the hc head from the 1st boss ❤
hollow stone
That helm is so good
lone junco
i know its a small loss, but I enjoy ss over dd
hollow stone
Dd or ss, tc or np, with op??? Holla
strange python
What is this? I'm newbie sorry
lone junco
Toxic blade
lone junco
sturdy python
No
lone junco
dont you worry about me
strange python
sturdy python
They're both fine
lone junco
im doing timewalk rn
strange python
sturdy python
TB is normally better in St unless you have certain traits/stats
strange python
Is this good for pvp + instances?
strange python
Hmm
lone junco
should be spicey
sturdy python
But depends on what you're doing
harsh sphinx
got the ss + sob from jaina last night Feelsamazing
strange python
Is it worth for me to make a good PVE build first, get armor and then change to pvp build and go arena?
lone junco
@harsh sphinx nice
sturdy python
As for gear you just gotta decide that yourself. Most people make multiple gear sets
strange python
What is the ultimate DPS (raids) build for assasination rogue?
Calculated in sims etc
real bay
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sturdy python
Check herodamage
It's the guides build but all of that changes depending on situation
hollow stone
You gotta sim yourself @strange python. There's no single "best build" no matter what. It depends on what you have available to you
floral cradle
best gem for Opulence?
lone junco
opal. fok the trash when it spawns
red plaza
dont let the Raid Leader cuck you into taking Ruby 😛
floral cradle
i'll fight him irl
rose perch
usually the left one is best
strange python
Hmm
rose perch
Heytomnm0ctb
rose perch
congrats!
floral cradle
nice!
strange python
It means if there is 5 points rapture on my enemy and it's 2 secs left, i can use 1 point rapture and the 5 points rapture will remain? What?
cerulean walrus
No, its just to keep the bleed going
strange python
Ahh, okay
cerulean walrus
You need that energy regen otherwise you get screwed
sturdy python
If you are about to apply a 24s rupture then you can add up to 30% (~8s) of the previous rupture to that
It's called pandemic
cerulean walrus
^ This as well
Just like when you double garrote on someone and the time goes from 18 to 2(4)? seconds
lone junco
mother fucker. the tank didnt pull enough for shoulder cloak fok to work out.
hit for 9k per mob, but he kept pulling 3x.
4p20 + bracer + sephuz + soulcap + 2ss it is.
cerulean walrus
Honestly my guild just memed it up in Timewalking
I threw a good 5 sap bombs at my tank in Temple
lone junco
good fun digging through my oranges. Honsetly thought outlaw would be nice. but it was about par with other classes
the +60% garrote dmg is just too hight.
high
sturdy python
Really? I was destroying people last night as outlaw in it. Was mostly the same group though
finite acorn
if i have 2 use trinkets on exsanguinate should i use the 2nd one after galecaller when possible ?
talking about opener srry
finite acorn
never read them so dont rly know what to look
lone junco
if it is also 1min or if it is 2min
lone junco
easy answer is to use gcb at opener vendetta exang then use the other one on cd when available.
the other way around may require delaying gcb and shit would get weird
finite acorn
ye true
since u need to delay the 3rd galecaller too for the rest cds
well i just got it so need to just test it out how the cds work with each other on next boss 😄
bleak spoke
405 dagger from opulence 
lone junco
nice
civic palm
woo
bleak spoke
Galecallers feels incredibly nice on that fight
During the guardian phase
Like every room you get some combination of galecaller’s or exsang
And the speed lets you dodge so much stuff easily
lone junco
gg
lusty gale
can you evasion Coin shower from the 4th boss?
lone junco
pretty sure I cloaked a round, but idk
solemn dune
3 shroud and 3 dd ?
lusty gale
coin shower is physical
lone junco
but isnt the debuff prior to the golden shower spell
candid jasper
Bloodmallet is saying master assassin? is that better than subterfuge now?
lone junco
@candid jasper sim yourself. it depends on traits. and gear
even with DD its not much better than subterfuge.
true lantern
with it saying it does physical damage i would think evasion would be the way to go, but at the same time it does split damage so if you immune it its just gonna damage everyone else more
sturdy python
Evasion doesn't work just because it's physical
Depends how the ability is programmed, normally aoe type abilities go through evasion
hollow stone
Yea. I know you can block and bubble it and just solo soak. Looks like cloak would work too
lone junco
neat
hollow stone
Lucky ducky
lone junco
is that 388
steep vessel
Nope
hollow stone
Rut roh raggy
lone junco
its just an image.
hollow stone
We got a lucker dog up inz
steep vessel
#1 Sargeras rogue
lone junco
@gusty kestrel you 20k yet?
steep vessel
I got lucky
steep vessel
Which timewalking is it this week?
hollow stone
Mop
lone junco
pands
high siren
what rune should we take on opulence ?
royal lantern
you take wath your raidlead tells you ;P
cinder sparrow
guys what is the best gem for Opulance ?
sturdy python
One person should have Ruby. Otherwise Opal
civic palm
NEVER EMERALD
quartz dew
red doesn't seem to go away when it resets
civic palm
Yeah it doesn't... for now.
quartz dew
yep we had two reds on each side at one point, add pretty much just runs to the end
high siren
yeah, raidlead told us to pick the ruby, we're 2 sin rogues and 1 sv hunt
does that make sense to have more than 1 ruby ?
we're not sure
wheat grove
anyone who figured out new bis items/traits already ?
civic palm
Just want the one.
lone junco
raidbot
pulsar goblet
bis in 2019
royal lantern
ofc there is BiS stuff in all slots, wath are you smoking?
pulsar goblet
😂
high siren
😂 😂 😂 😂
ripe nimbus
Alrite go get all them titan forges then brah it's ez
lone junco
my 365 socket gloves are > a 385 gloves. oy.
such is the life when you have 7 sockets.
both crit haste.
bleh
glad I did 2 hrs of timewalk for a 0.1% loss.
ayo.
ruby notch
hey guys wonder if there any op items for tw dungeons
desert vault
just got 410 socketed gloves, jeez ... crit/mast but that's good enough!
lone junco
@ruby notch yes.
4p20 + bracer + sephuz + soulcapacitor + 2ss. Glaives for extra big packs, but the tank still moves too early.
if you dont have that, then I was messing with Shoulder/ cloak + 2 EB + HB. and just mashed fok a lot. but it sucked for ST>
shrewd vine
Is Treacherous Covenant better than Nothing Personal in BoD? I feel like the stat increase is great but it could backfire on you in a heavy damage mechanic
lone junco
does the dmg taken component stack? 
shrewd vine
Such as heroic Grong when he's hitting the raid for alot of damage and you're taking 15 percent increased damage below 20 percent health.
desert vault
Ancient Bulwark trait is really only decent for m+/aoe right?
the one that gives vers for standing still?
latent gazelle
Feint. 20% increased dmg taken canceled out
real bay
healers will thank you sir
desert vault
missed first night of raid, so trying to decide what to run tonight 2x SS and 1x NP or 2x SS and 1x Ancient
desert vault
ok
spice surge
Yikes, my current azerite pieces have me with 3x SS and 2x NP, my opener burst is pretty sick
Almost 30k crits with garrote 😄
But then after that i fade into irrelevancy
desert vault
heh
you get to shine again on your next Vend, for 0.7s maybe 😃
i have nothing for new gear, guess I should run a normal maybe before raid tonight
latent gazelle
Wish we could change Azerite traits without having to hearth out of raid. FoKing adds on Opulence feels bad with no EB
lone junco
@spice surge yeah, just saw you on the gronk list.
spicey open, then just sadness until 2:30 or whatever
was just looking at mea with the 2dd 2np 2ss . not a bad setup
im super lazy, with traits, so I could get behind that.
spice surge
He got mekkatorque chest from tw
lone junco
just swap talents for 1t 3t
spice surge
I got a cloak 😦
lone junco
i got gloves. not even up from my 365 sockets
oof those peaks
im only 15 ilvl behind.
spice surge
^^
ruby notch
@lone junco thx mate
civic palm
that triple DS > _>
lone junco
capping 20x
civic palm
yeee
lone junco
anyway. that vanish GG is just fine.
the exang is not necessary because well it can run its duration so I guess TB does more in the buff window.
im all in on the 2+dd 2+ss
winter gale
Hello guys. I am currently wearing 1 Archieve and when I went to Bloodmallet its 3rd from the end, among the worst atm but when I sim myself for top gear it even tells me to put another one. Is some of those 2 not updated or something? Reorigination array is set on 0 so thats not the reason.
Wanted instead to play with 1DD, 1Nothing Personal and one SoB.
Im not even sure what to do now 😄
lone junco
@static temple nice boner on Opulence.
static temple
broi
civic palm
lol
cobalt gyro
I took ruby
lone junco
when I got to the end, I was like OH SHIT 40%
desert vault
did anyone make any sort of BoD rogue raid guide yet?
nimble tartan
😌
lone junco
desert vault
wow
lone junco
having to work at work has really cut into my post count.
desert vault
i totally read over that ... five times? maybe six
lone junco
ye. i cut off at 90k like feb 2018. coasting up at sane levels now.
plus i took this garbo off my phone.
desert vault
I shall stab things
winter gale
Should I still have Archieve ?
civic palm
Do you have the option otherwise?
royal lantern
conclave hc is such a clusterfuck
strange python
HAJDUK SPLIT 1950
Is echoing blades bis for m+ now?
with one shrouded i guess'?
true lantern
Ive been rolling 2 echo and a shrouded for m+ seems pretty good
lone junco
@desert vault one more time.
''So, regarding the specific bosses (this is not tested, just an assumption):
Champion of the Light: 1 SS might find some value for the phase where you actually hit adds. Otherwise focus on DD/NP/TC
Grong: Definitely high ST focus, DD/NP/TC combinations all the way
Jadefire Masters: Depending on the actual outcome of the fight, how close they are being tanked and so on, you might find use for 2 or even 3 SS with TC/NP, I doubt 2 targets will make SoB a thing already
Opulence: 100% ST, DD/NP/TC, no reason to use any aoe traits, even for the “add” phases
Conclave: Spread targets, small adds throughout the fight, multiple SS traits possible, depends on the actual add hp, how spread they are and so on, otherwise just focus mainly on ST again.
King Rastakhan: Definitely worth picking multiple SS traits here, Add Phase in P1, Add Phase in P3, so there’s definitely room for SS, while still being competitive on ST in the other 2 phases.
Mekkatorque: Full ST, nothing else to worry about
Stormwall Blockade: Full ST again
Jaina: Another Full ST fight
As you can see, there’s not a lot of room for cleave traits, surely they might see some use here and there, but the main part of the raid is gonna focus on ST.''
wise star
does someone else experience some wierd stuff with targeting and with the cursor. like when i'm holding down my right button and use hotkeys it forgets that i'm holding the right mouse and and changing targets. This is since today, already checked with another mouse - same problem
zealous lily
i just have SS because i got a drop that has it
foking and cross rupturing during opulence does not lose your stacks
but thats just for cp and more energy to pump into boss
for conclave i found i was doing better ST dps by using my movement cooldowns to get a couple dots on the secondary target for 16 seconds at a time
but when you have no movement bad idea to refresh i think cause you will lose more dps time
you can cross dot the adds and refresh your dots full on boss before she goes in other phase on first boss
but that fight is gonna be a joke on mythic anyway
on ape boss SS actually lines up pretty well with the robot spawns but he probably will not live a full garrote duration when we have more gear
in general you are gonna probably wanna just use whatever sims best ST which will not be SS when you have a good gear set
zealous lily
that's timewalking
sturdy python
One Ruby if you're not that one opal
civic palm
NOT EMERALD
devout moth
i have to go opal i guess
cobalt gyro
does nothing personal, kid scale with mastery?
sturdy python
There's no have to, that's the one you want
The Ruby buffs others, we dont do that in rogue town
devout moth
can i use shadowmeld to proc subterfurge?
jaunty crystal
I'm pretty sure you can't.
sturdy python
Shadowmeld drops combat allowing you to restealth. however in boss combat you cannot restealth at all.
But shadowmeld does benefit from SS either way
Boss fight? Use shadowmeld to apply SS empowered garrotes. Any other fight? Shadowmeld and restealth
spring iron
What's our good build for assasssin?
cobalt gyro
good build depends on the gear you have
orchid tendon
Yep.
spring iron
I guess I meant to ask, what's a good build for bursting.
orchid tendon
Has anyone tried 3x double dose? Kinda nutty. Almost overtakes mutilate dmg
jaunty crystal
any combo of DD/NP with something like TTK/TC is absolutely nuts with master assassin/toxic blade
orchid tendon
Yeah my mastery is my best
open halo
quick question, if i fan of knives opulence adds do i gain stacks or opal buff from that or do i have to single target hit them
regal tundra
you do gain stacks with FoK
open halo
kk, ty
hearty oriole
Dumb question. With 2 Azerite items of Same Ilvl but one with 2 class traits I should use the new one even if my heart isn’t high enough to take the middle ring?
cobalt gyro
yes
hearty oriole
If that even makes sense
cobalt gyro
extra ring of tier 1 traits is a huge amount of extra damage
hearty oriole
I figured so. Got one with SS and EB so aoe time lol
lost sentinel
I'm guessing for opulence the best gem for rogue is that opal of unleashed rage? increased damage per target hit
raven mica
ya know now that I think about it
our BiS azerite helm dropping from the first boss is pretty sweet
placid helm
is TC unplayabe?
rose perch
no it's great
civic palm
No...
royal lantern
TC is fking good lol
placid helm
00:03:49.945 Ravenous Stalker 11 Jagged Claws Aides 87644 (R: 127914, M: 40270, 31.48%)
00:03:51.475 Aides is afflicted by Treacherous Covenant from Aides
00:03:51.475 Ravenous Stalker 11 Jagged Claws Aides 99805 (R: 145662, M: 45857, 31.48%)
00:03:52.978 Ravenous Stalker 11 Jagged Claws Aides 42642 (O: 59330) (R: 148827, M: 46855, 31.48%)
inner pecan
stop facetanking raptors
rose perch
have you considered running away from the ravenous stalker?
inner pecan
and you'll be fine
placid helm
the hit bringing him below 20% is empowered by 15%?
royal lantern
dont get hit by avoidable dmg
like really
if you drop under 20% you are probably dead anyway
royal lantern
you are never low hp for a long time
placid helm
yes, but a 88k suddenly turns into 100k
cobalt gyro
realistically in raid it'll be decent at worst
royal lantern
most of the time you are either 100% or dead, raidwide dmg gets healed anyway, and if you dont avoid avoidable dmg you do something wrong
cobalt gyro
in m+ i probably wouldn't, at least on higher keys
rose perch
how is 88k not killing you below 20% already?
cobalt gyro
he's saying a hit for 88k is being amplified when he's above 20%
placid helm
so it seems
cobalt gyro
but if you're being hit like that it's very likely unavoidable damage
which means
the healer should already be healing it
rose perch
well if that were true it would be very bad for the trait
it'd be effectively -20% HP against big damage
like if you were at 100% hp and something would hit you for 80% hp and that killed you with TC that'd be a serious drawback
that's not how i thought it worked though
zealous lily
The other week I asked if anyone had made a good multidot tracker
I made a new one to do what I wanted it to do... please try it out if you are looking for one
civic palm
weird WA but w/e works 👌
jovial goblet
what gem for opulence
royal lantern
the gem your raidleader tells you too pick up
static hedge
so for m+ 10 or higher, is it worth to take CT for reaping even on somewhere like KR? or nah
zealous lily
sim it
maybe 20 targets 2 mins ish lust and no lust
probably more like 1 minute with lust and good cleavers and a blood dk?
inner pecan
what would that sim accomplish
CT is obviously better for the reaping spawns
which is what that sim would simulate
but you have to analyze the whole dungeon not just the reaping pulls lol
obsidian ridge
Started using triple DD today and master assassin sims better than subterfuge. My question: infight, say my 2nd vendetta/vanish comes up, what's my optimal rotation? I thought it would be something like get 4-5 CP -> TB -> vanish -> envenom (hopefully 4 CP due to master assassin crit) -> envenom
uh use vendetta before tb and vanish*
sweet flame
sims telling me to renchant/gem everything the past few upgrades 
cobalt gyro
how do you guys feel about htat yu'lon trinket
sweet flame
didn't look that good just glancing at it, and it doesn't seem to sim that well either
especially compared to m+ trinkets
cobalt gyro
i feel like the "split amoang all targets" kinda gimps it real hard
even in big pulls it seems to cap out at like 40k damage or so
oblique jackal
i just got the phantom stalker shoulders from TW.. Should i choose Scent of Blood or EB
stark wyvern
How's Assa looking still compared to Outlaw?
oblique jackal
sin is better
sweet flame
raid is mostly ST, no real need for blade flurry shenanigans
steel violet
haste vers 400boe.. hmm to use or sell
bleak star
I’ve got two double dose traits and two shrouded traits, would Exsanguinate or toxic blade be the way to go?
obsidian ridge
even with 3 shrouded exsang is only slightly ahead of tb for me, so I would assume tb is a lot better for you .. but 
supple hearth
bleak star
Alright thanks
supple hearth
Also likely depends on scenario
Boss fights vary.
Also m+ would use different gear too
bleak star
I meant for raidin
obsidian ridge
tbh outside of rastakhan and jadefire masters .. where's the multidotting happening? Most adds live way too short to make multidot worth it (this is only my 9/9 nhc (i know) and 3/9 hc experience)
champions, grong, opulence, conclave, mekkatorque and jaina all seem to be strictly ST fights for assa
maybe you would multidot conclave but that's only for extra energy regen so SS wouldn't provide any value over DD on that fight
jaunty crystal
so which jewel are sins generally picking up on opulence
rough halo
Opal, but whatever your raidleader tells you to
high charm
do u ever wonder with echoing blades on big trash packs if you should just spam fok? or just spend combo points only when EP falls? or spend CP normally?
i did some sim stuff and posted in tc_research for anyone interested
my results were that at 6+ targets with 3 EB you only maintain ruptures and spam fok and only use CP when you need to refresh ruptures
8+ targets with 2 EB
and i didnt check 1 EB
obsidian ridge
even when specced into ct?
high charm
oh this was all with hidden blades specced
fuck if orgot to mention that
my bad
im sure you would still maintain CT though but id have to tinker with this more
obsidian ridge
Would make a lot more sense to spec into CT because HB loses basically all of its value if you just spam FoK anyway (given the pull lasts more than like 5seconds)
high charm
well you still get value from the extra 20% each time you gain a stack
but CT is still a bit higher dps anyway
like 63k vs 60k
xd
obsidian ridge
im fairly sure ct adds more than 3k dps to a 8+ enemy pull (:
high charm
6 targets
with the 3 eb i ran
but i mean nothing really changes you just obviously still maintain CT
as well as your ruptures
and spam fok otherwise
the dps difference changes less between the two styles since you naturally have more EP uptime since you have an extra finisher to maintain CT uptime
just adding CT to the mix makes uptime on EP go to 89% from 70%
stark folio
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short token
guys if i have no shrouded suffications should i go MA?
sturdy python
Sim it and see
obsidian ridge
btw are you playing with master assassin with that setup @high charm
doesnt seem to be necessary to triple SS garrote anymore with that much aoe from EB. I was wondering whether the optimal azerite setup for m+ for assassination may be something like triple DD triple EB with master assassin. Would be a lot weaker on 2 targets though
or even 3-4 targets probably
high charm
well you need energy
and you play SS anyways for boss dps
and for small packs
since you can have 3 EB and still keep SS
you probably need subterfuge
on my overalls im having like FOK and EB top
obsidian ridge
for me master assassin sims higher ST than subterfuge 😮
high charm
and garrote is like slightly lower
ya but double dose is doing nothing on packs
where garrote still does a lot with SS
like a LOT
just sim your char with like 5 mobs with 3ss 3eb and subt
obsidian ridge
true that (: but master assassin gives you the strength of a thousand eye beams on a big aoe opener from invis
high charm
and then do again with 3 dd 3 eb and MA
yeah you can burst harder
prob ok in lower keys
if stuff starts living awhile maybe its not worth
i wonder how much dps you would end at if a reaping pack spawns and you just fok fok fok and then vanish adn do again and then it dies lol
glacial ravine
as assassin, should i be stacking mastery now?
obsidian ridge
that may be very true. I was hoping it might be viable, I have been playing SS for a long time in a lot of m+ and I was hoping for a change (:
cobalt gyro
you'd run out of energy
high charm
i did a triple pull in start of freehold and then did 1 extra pack up the stairs for reaping proc
and was sustaining 120-130k dps on the reaping spawn
on a 15 earlier this week
obsidian ridge
thats with 415 on ptr though?
obsidian ridge
uh.
high charm
with hidden blades
the reaping took awhile to die as well
its in my vod somewhere probably
high charm
13 mobs
lost sentinel
whats the best opulence buff for sin rogue? opal?
sturdy python
as long as one person on your side has ruby, yes
high charm
hmm it wasnt really a sustain i suppose, i ended at 85k when the reaping finished
a little too greedy with fok after i started running out of bleeds and mobs were really low hp i should have put some more ruptures earlier
echo geyser
Anyone know if treacherous covenant dmg debuff stacks?
obsidian ridge
it does not
echo geyser
So having 3 would just give u big agi bonus
obsidian ridge
yes
echo geyser
Ok thanks
short token
ok so master assassin was an upgrade for me, how does vanish work for me now? is it still the same?
i see it
vanish before the envenom
wow whole new rotation
echo geyser
Is it worth going CT in all m+ dungs with reaping now?
Unless ur unable to kill a high tyrannical boss
austere scarab
does new trinket scale with mastery?
rancid junco
azerite
strange python
Is the debuff from Bwonsamdi cloakable?
steel violet
2 boe for me tonight hot damn
peak saffron
opal or ruby?
sand ledge
Emerald
peak saffron
no meme?
civic palm
NOT EMERALD
quick ice
I went emerald yesterday. It wasn't very fun.
violet sonnet
TB or Exsang with only 1 ss trait
fickle obsidian
does TB increase NP dmg?
coarse knot
For the duration of tb I believe so yes
cobalt gyro
ya but then ur double on use trinkets
cobalt gyro
its more about the awkwardness of needing to remember both
cobalt gyro
ya i got one i combine with a macro
modest badge
anyone feel like garrote has a tad bit shorter range than before?
idk wtf it is
it just feels like i gatta be in them to get it off
half timber
have a treach cov helm, just got a chest piece for a second that would replace another 5ring chest without it, and the double is simming lower? is this right or should i go with the two treach?
one equip is ilvl 400 just got 385
id be losing triple DD, while gaining a second NP and second TC
round harbor
are you sure you are simming properly?
the 5 trait should be outsimming. also having two NP is a complete waste
ideally you only want one
civic palm
Well it's a waste if you have other options > _> which you will sooner or later.
half timber
yeah im simming everything, i think its just because of the double NP
so if i hold onto this and wait for that third TC piece that will replace NP it will jump significantly
untold jasper
Is the Mekkatorque trinket simming correctly on SC?
nimble tartan
tc is actually so busted
had 98% uptime on the 8th boss 93% on mekatorque gotta love it
bleak spoke
Honestly it’s probably not dangerous in raid at all compared to say a dungeon
Cuz so many ppl can just top you off
light kestrel
I killed many, many guildies by saving shadowstep for the shrink phase on mekkatorque
This raid is a trolls wet dream
bleak spoke
Can’t wait until mythic with the big guy
lone junco
@nimble tartan i am on the Pain Train. TC for me.
nimble tartan
look at this noobe...i did this for u https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/21#boss=2276&class=Rogue
this is my BoD peak
copper kestrel
So these 370 mythics, outnumbered, and darkshore have massively bumped my ilvl. Only thing outstanding is my trinkets (295 & 315). Any advice on how to replace them in a time & cost effective manner?
thorn tartan
Dark moon Deck
obsidian girder
can i anywhere read a min maxing guide for TB ? I only played with exsang but I need to learn to play with TB. I heared that you hold 4+ CP and pool energy to start with TB so you can pump more envenoms ? how does it work exactly 
quick ice
2+ Env 😀
royal lantern
Just try too not overlap with bleed reapply timers and thats it,TB is really straightforward
Aim for 2xenvenom,more is ofc better
obsidian girder
okay nice. quick and straight rule. thank you ❤
obsidian sierra
Guys sorry if in missing smth but is there any guide outside that explains bod bosses assa specific
dapper moat
Pretty hard to cast on cd and make sure u have energy for two envemos and that bleeds are up and running, so i end up always waiting a bit before casting tb
strange python
How Blindly should I trust a sim? I sim best with 20% crit and stacked Mastery... on Patchwerk. I was unlucky yesterday and I am still only sitting on 3x SS. 20% feels so low? :s
nimble tartan
truss the sim
those stats are also better in aoe
so its nice if its good in st as well 😃
brave gyro
Last night we had a bit less time, but we still did first 3 bosses of BoD. Anyone else going 3/3 bonus rolls AP? 😂
strange python
Hmmmm ok thanks mate. I'll trust the sim then. So now today after work when I will start rerolling stats for my legs and feet. How do I "pre-sim" the best stats? Last tier I aimed for Fireflash. Should I now then aim for Feverflare?
vestal wren
azerite shoulders from 3rd boss so far
nimble tartan
i rolled for the mekatorque one
i got his trinket instead but his trinket is pretty fun
vestal wren
but we have the majority of hc left
is there a boss you might want to go sub > sin even?
brave gyro
Nothing I've seen so far. Jadefire guys are really good as assa, cuz multidot (same with grong when you go on add)
So idk yet
main blaze
Yeah so far all of them are either outlaw or Assn
Feels mostly Assn but outlaw has some good fights
bronze kelp
is there a known bug the we cant generate combo points with certain skills? i just had this on doing WQs right now. pulling a bunch of mobs, garroting 3 of them, and then i was FoKing them, but suddenly I had no CPs vor about 4 FoKs in chain
bronze kelp
nope
in zuldazar
it first appears after i got a 385 piece from emissary
if i garrote 3 targets i dont generate CPs at all after the first mob
dafuq is that ?
but after the target is dead i instant get 5 CPs oO
wow... after 2 restarts of wow it is gone. weird thing :/
devout jolt
woof, I got 2 bits of gear last night, both Scent of Blood 😦
bronze kelp
scent of blood is not bad
devout jolt
yeah I guess, just bummed I didnt get the Azerite gear I wanted. 6 bosses and 5 rerolls....
bronze kelp
with which traits ?
bronze kelp
you got any compare sims ? cant believe that the difference is so sick
winter moss
onemoment
vast forum
SS still better for any cleave/aoe and for any night elf
winter moss
nvm read the sim wrong
grizzled jay
Difference between the two isn't insane by any means.
bronze kelp
hm... so on my NP/2SS/DD setup, toxic blade sims 150 dps better than exsang with subterfudge/tb/pb
winter moss
diffrence is 0.2%
bronze kelp
so on pure ST TB is better, but thats nothing new 😉 when it comes to more then 1 target, exsang should win
winter moss
yea
bronze kelp
okay, on 2 target patchwork fight, TB is 1k dps ahead
ah damn ... im simming with my m+/fort gear ^^
grizzled jay
Lul
bronze kelp
did not use my ST gear for about 2 months after stop raiding cause it was so boring 😉
grizzled jay
Yeah I kinda just went with SS exang everywhere
Out of habit
Tho losing that 750haste hurts SS exang atm
bronze kelp
sure
trail hound
MA with DD stack is legit for a lot of fights
winter moss
still tb without KB is alot less fun
quick ice
I miss KB 😦
winter moss
same...
elfin fossil
Sims say TB is better simming for me, but I have 2xSS and 2xDD with one TC
But so used to the sub/exang build -_-
high siren
simming 0.1% higher with exsangue, wonder if I should switch to TB, TB gameplay feels more flex
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/CHPijKYa1bYZgdJekackF
vast forum
While you can exsg a target and swap on something else instantly
elfin fossil
Than locking myself into one target
Because if you dont benefit from the whole TB, it's alot worse
So for fights like.. Stormwall Blockade when the add spawns
If you just put up TB on the boss
vast forum
If you sim higher with exsg on st, you should definitely play it
elfin fossil
You're pretty fucked
Until I switch out my SS with 2x more TC, I think I'll keep exang
And then move to MA/TB
grizzled jay
Might be worth just delaying TB in that case depending on when the add spaws so you dont use it on the boss then swap and lose out
vast forum
Yeah but delaying tb multiple times per fight is worse than just playing exsg
grizzled jay
Sure yeah
strange python
Rogue = U press one button 20 times until u finally get enough energy to use the ability
Resident Ducking Sleeper
solid nova
Its a ~40apm spec, whats surprising 😄
strange python
solid nova
If you wanna mash buttons then you should play outlaw
arctic harness
It's good you mentioned it, just simmed exsan and got 2,1% increased damage
But I have 3 SS now
Woopsie
strange python
lol
winter gale
Good morning ppl. I am still with 1 Archieve. Should I go and remove it? Ideal would be DD/NP/TTK?
Im playing with toxic blade*
spark oyster
Ttk is still kinda weak imo, ss would probably better even with tb
zenith gust
Hi guys, are there any assa specific boss guides for the new raids?
winter gale
I dont think so Bandolero, its still to early. But whataver could be collected is in the pins for BoD. Good info for the loot,fights, etc.
vestal wren
iirc Tisumi works on it, you can check the last post in #announcements however i think its work in progress
zenith gust
Ok, thx guys!
winter gale
Im atm just screwed by these Archieve traits. They still sim best for me, with Reorigination Array set on 0. Tbh, those items are 390 comparing to 375 with other traits but Archieve on bloodmallet sims 3rd from the bottom.
I think I just need to wait to get equal or higher ilvl with more optimal trait 😂
obsidian sierra
I got a hard time on multi target fights like conclave or jadefire. Do you guys run everytime to the more far away target to dot it
Or just keep ST and dot the 2nd target once its near
Also dont know how to do opener. Spread garrotes 3x like jadefire 2 garrote on monk ans 1 on mage and then do normal rota on monk
Or how do you do it
Only got blue logs on jadefire hc yesterday which shows me i am doing wrong
spice surge
A quick tip i can give for the new raid is that cloak does not prevent the bwonsamdi oneshot
So make sure to run out 👌
smoky fiber
nothing prevents it
spice surge
Well yes
vestal wren
so no cheat death cheesing?
spice surge
Im not suprised, i just dislike how inconsistent it is
vestal wren
ye blizz kind of makes it hard. Rogue's only raid utility is cos/feint and in uldir it was not working on half the stuff
devout jolt
Is bonded souls worth for Sin for the Haste increase?
the two bits of gear I got unfortunately has that on both
tacit knoll
why SS is so low on bloodmallet?
spark oyster
@devout jolt Scent of Blood was simming higher on ST for me 😂
devout jolt
ha, will sim when I get home and see then
vast forum
Bloodmallet uses ma/tb if i'm not mistaken
spice surge
Yes
winter moss
yes
vast forum
Ss is shit with those talents
vast forum
Simming youself is always best
devout jolt
!azerite
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Azerite Season 2 changes: https://bit.ly/2U86I7o
echo night
which if looking better for M+, Assass or Outlaw?
strange python
Okay, i tried assasination
And it's ultra boring compare to other rogue specs
lmao.
quick ice
not inaccurate
vague patrol
in m+ i wouldnt say its boring but im not a fan of the spam target switching for ruptures etc
strange python
Very boring
vague patrol
ST it can be slow obviously
kindred cedar
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/d8m8Ju6pRw295eVka522rc
Shouldnt it be better to run with 2x SS traits then that?
summer marten
hero damage also only has tb build for some reason
spice surge
Because the only difference between exsang and tb is that SS sims higher
So its fairly pointless to have 2 tabs
summer marten
and different trinket values etc... but ok
spice surge
Its a relic from legion where tb and exsang were entirely different setups, with 4 talents different and completely different stats
Well yes, SS and galecallers
Now its just one different talent, so having a tab for every single talent wouldnt really be feasible
summer marten
they should at least put up ss with exsang and subterfuge, not just subterfuge
as it was before last update
spice surge
What do you want us to say about your sim? SS is a cleave trait when using tb, not a ST trait
kindred cedar
Is there anyone available to take a look at a quick log? Wondering how the other rogue can do like 4-5k more dps then me
spice surge
Therefore its not unreasonable that on ST, other traits sim higher
kindred cedar
and if its gear or i completely forgot how to play
quick ice
post the log and someone will get to it 😃
vast forum
People generally just post here
kindred cedar
Oh okey, but if there's anyone that can spare 3 minutes, please send me a quick PM - would be highly appreciated 😃
winter moss
just slide in my dms
nimble tartan
even with sub exsang and galecallers ss traits sim p low for me 😦
spice surge
Yeah, tb+dd/tc sims a fair bit above exsang
quick ice
@subtle kiln the exsang version actually got removed in the latest update to HD
brisk frost
@kindred cedar ditb sims alot higher than it actually does dmg and aphotecary is very bad. you also have "too much" versa and not that much haste. also no gems.
if you have nothing else to do, start with running m0's and replace bad 390 pieces with 370 5 ring ones, atleast thats what i did.
idk, exsang sims less than tb for me even i had 3 ss's yesterday
kindred cedar
Worth getting archive in head instead then ?@brisk frost
brisk frost
i also tried it and tb just felt stronger
yes, archive over apothecary
true, exsang is "easier" and more fun to play, but tb just feels so much stronger so im going with it
strange python
I think Exsang feels stronger + it Sims better for me. Hmm... I want to know the exact rotation used in the Sims. Something is wrong
spice surge
🤷 neither tb nor exsang has any particular difficulty associated with them
brisk frost
i dont get why exsang sims better for some people
strange python
Can you make costum rotations for yourself?
brisk frost
i've tried so many builds and tb just always sims higher
strange python
High mastery and many SS prolly
brisk frost
coz i'd kinda want to play exs
spice surge
You can go check the rotation in the sims and make your own if you know how
strange python
I don't know how Eleem. Care to link / show me the way?
brisk frost
ill rather do bigger dps than run something i want ^^
strange python
There are several rotations and build I want to try out and feel I cannot
spice surge
@strange python Press full html on the right side of your raidbots, the scroll down into "action priority list" and then press "sample sequence table"
Doing you're own is incedible complex though, and fairly pointless since it would probably be worse than the default one which people work hard on
strange python
That is true. And to be honest I want to do it mostly to learn. And get further indepth knowledge and ideas into Rogues :)
brave gyro
TMW you raid all night and get nothing. Then now you do a 10 min run of +0 AD and you get this 🤔
brisk frost
typical
magic fossil
new alchemy trinket can be good for us?
quick ice
not particularly, unfortunately
spice surge
Its on herodamage, but unless you have no other trinkets then no
magic fossil
oh thank you guys
brisk frost
yep
atleast bod feels very good raid for rogue
while uldir was quite melee racist, atleast be4 mythrax etc nerfs
buoyant coyote
man i wish i could reforge stats to what u want like back in days
brave gyro
Oh yea, BoD so far has been a blast. Fun fights
I would sacrifice WF / TF asap for reforging. They removed it "because it didn't feel satisfying when you get an item" 
the irony
brisk frost
yeah the new system feels so satisfying. for example, got 405 wrists from hc yesterday
dont even wear them because my 385 socketed bis wrists higher
AND i cant even trade them for some1 who could use em
lol'
kindred cedar
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/b4ouVtdfNyZLQ8RyHZEmP3
Is that sim actually accurate? feels really wierd it wants me to use DITB trait
winter moss
DiTB is actually not that bad
crystal vault
whats the best orb on opulence ?
spice surge
Ditb is slightly overrated in sims, i would use the twist instead
Becuase you will not always be behind the boss
brisk frost
i also have chest with twist and ditb, im using twist
spice surge
And its not a massive loss anyway
steep obsidian
fuck mekkatorque man, half the time when someone enters a bot they dc
thats a common issue right?
what a pile of crap
kindred cedar
So twist the knife is my best choice there? as i can have nothing personal, SS traits to if i want
brisk frost
i also use nothic personal > tc and shrouded > double dose even all those sim lower
kindred cedar
So that was a yes? 😂
spice surge
yes
kindred cedar
Thanks ❤
fluid mist
What is it with all the streamers running +6 keys?
vestal wren
max itemlvl
brisk frost
end of dungeon rewards only scale to +6 this week
brisk frost
well, you do need weekly 10 anyways :p
fluid mist
ah so the reward from next cache scales up to a 10?
spice surge
Doing 6's would be wasteful
quick ice
yes
quick ice
for some reason the message got out that you had to do 6s though
fluid mist
and just to be certain they still do not drop azerite pieces right?
spice surge
m+ do not drop azerite no
brisk frost
end of week cache may drop azerite, end of dungeon rewards doesnt
fluid mist
i swear to god i just saw somebody from my guild loot a 385 azerite piece that said mythic 4
unborn mist
TR vendor
spice surge
Yes, because if you buy a random azerite piece from the vendor it will probably say that
fluid mist
ah
why the hell is he spending his residuum on shit pieces xD
well not 100% shit because they have an extra ring but we will have hc on farm in no time i'd just save up but w/e
stark niche
Hey, have you guys been getting better results with exsanguinate or toxic blade in BFD? I tried exsanguinate last night but I kept scuffing up multiple target encounters.
brisk frost
i also tried exs while i was having 3x shrouded, tb still felt better
and i was doing more dmg with tb
so atleast i am rather playing with tb than exs
stark niche
Yeah I only have 1 SS atm, and fairly new to rogue so probably switching to TB
brisk frost
remember thats just my opinion tho, but atleat tb feels stronger and sims higher for me.
anyways
stark niche
For sure, thanks for the input regardless
steep obsidian
the 150 agi 2 set works in raid right?
brisk frost
since we were talking about gears, and im not that good theorycrafter myself, if some1 have time to check which traits you recommend me to use, i'd appreciate
steep obsidian
does simc actually sim it?
brisk frost
heres my sim atm and my equipped. i havent been using ditb or tc even they sim higher. is tc actually worth to use?
stark niche
Deadbod the 2 piece does work in raids, but whether or not simc sims it is unknown to me
spice surge
My guess is that it will if you do nightly, but im not 100% sure
Havent read through the commits
spice surge
Yea
wide hedge
would you rather take 3x SS over double dose in the new raid?
quick ice
probably not so far
strange python
did you guys run multiple SS on first boss?
if i was being a dick and just wanting pure dps is that the best way to go lmao
even though it's not effective dmg i guess
prime juniper
using the vigor trinket is it better to use the active on cd, or delay to lineup with vendetta?
steep obsidian
lol the bwomsandis buff actually persists outside of dungeon so people can see your fail and laugh at u
they should have put a graphic on it or something, like an L rune on your forehead or something
dark crag
Nice
jagged gazelle
I have a question about exsang since it started simming better than tb,so do you refresh bleeds to full duration before using exsang or just pop it on cd
sturdy python
Think the sims say refresh rupture if below 22s and refresh garrote if it's in pandemic range
Should still be using on CD, refresh right before it comes up
safe relic
guys on new azerite items u use ss trait only for style ? cause double dose sims better on all 3 of my azerites
strange python
whats best m+ aoe trait?
primal gazelle
Stack ss and eb
strange python
i took break for like 3months last time i was playing it was ss+2xscent >exsang+crimson tempest
safe relic
scent of blood is good too
so i guess no need to use at least 1 ss trait since sim says to use x3 double dose
buoyant coyote
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vTtDAKtp7MzWJoeGKTmTYx how is not my haste rings betteR?
can somone explain Im starving energy reg atm
spice surge
You're not supposed to fill every gcd
So you're probably not starved, you're just expecting outlaw gameplay when playing assa
buoyant coyote
Yea but im starving energy to even keep env up