The estimate is you will be getting 600ish currency a week
#assassination
round harbor
obsidian sierra
Yes fok trait is eb
primal gazelle
800 ish if you do 15-17 keys every week
vestal wren
you will just buy the random ones and scrap it if its useless
round harbor
@primal gazelle yeah but your talking to a small group
obsidian sierra
You need eb to be on par with other classes on aoe
round harbor
For most people it's 600ish
vestal wren
the loot pool is to low to even consider buying the specific one and the price far to high
civic palm
Yeah.
vestal wren
and the chance that you got at least good traits with the 2 ring system now is also high
civic palm
Yeah.
round harbor
Yeah.
obsidian sierra
Yeah another trait is way better than 15 ilvl tbh
jolly trout
I hope so much some of the azerite gear in the new raid will drop for me first id
tough lantern
Will 385 random azerite have the double traits too?
jolly trout
yeah all gear you get in season 2
tough lantern
Fuck me
fringe narwhal
I think anything above a certain ilvl either 370 or 385 that isnt from uldir
jolly trout
also the emissary ones should have it
mint creek
which one u would prefer for M+, AoT + 2 SS / EB + 2SS ?
hollow stone
Eb clear winner
fringe narwhal
Eb personally
mint creek
oka i think i need to try it
tough lantern
Ye EB 2SS
mint creek
i also have 3x Heed my Call on me but dont know if they stack, just assumed that they will 😛 do they ? should i get a guttriper in ?
jolly trout
curious if we run 3 SS and 3 EB with the new system if possible. seems kinda bonkers if i think about it tbh
primal gazelle
its possible
only the chest drops from raid, so youll have to rng the other 2 slots for 3 ss 3 eb
jolly trout
but depends if the combination is available from the dungeon gear
primal gazelle
it is available
jolly trout
ah ok i didn't look on ptr what combos there are ao the dungeon gear
primal gazelle
there was a nice website that showed all new combos
lost the link 😦
like you could filter by traits and it shows which piece had it
civic palm
obsidian sierra
Also what i think to get max chance on good azerite first week is do pvp chest, do mythic chest for residium, do m0, do raid, save 3 worldq with azerite on wednesday if possible
Emissary i mean
Also not sure what piece is in rotation for pvp cap in first week might also be an azerite
So there are many chances
jolly trout
jeah you want that new azerite gear for sure the additional trait is so powerful
and m0 drops 370 in season 2 so thats a really good base
obsidian sierra
But not sure how many hoa lvl required for example 385 piece with 2 rings
I slacked with lvling im just 36 in 1 bar
solid nova
@civic palm It's in #rules-and-guides too 
jolly trout
ok im 40 just now so im fine i think
obsidian sierra
How are the trinket in new raid? Havent even looked at them
Since uldir trinket were totally bs i just used harlans and spyglass
jolly trout
they look interesting tbh. not sure how good that Oscillating Reactor will be but the mechanic seems interesting at least
civic palm
obsidian sierra
I mean the trinket from taloc also reads pretty simple and good but just never procced
jolly trout
obsidian sierra
Dont know it never procs for me
Like harlans proccing forever
Talocs maybe once in 2 mins
This is my experience
primal gazelle
oh nice, there's 2 m+ shoulder pieces with SS/EB + Unstable Flames. I guess that's the first slot I'm buying random azerites for
verbal nimbus
need logs from both right NOW
primal gazelle
2/6 chances of geting bis instead of 1/6
spice surge
Well, if you're aiming for raid progress you should prob buy chest rather than shoulders
As bis shoulders drop from 3:rd boss, and bis helm from 1:st
primal gazelle
im optimizing for m+
spice surge
But for m+ yes
primal gazelle
ss/eb chest drops from the 5th boss i think
jolly trout
jeah the good shit for the raid drops so early it is insane
obsidian sierra
The chest is from jaina i guess @primal gazelle
primal gazelle
i wonder if itll be worth sacrificing some SS or EB, for SOB, just to have triple stack of unstable flames
jaina drop shoulders, chest is from conclave
primal gazelle
with 3 ss 3 ss combo you only get 1 unstable flames
obsidian sierra
Will be a lot chainpulls you wont get restealth as much as now
civic palm
Yeah but why would you 3xSS > _> when you have other options.
jolly trout
jeah you want that 3 eb for sure so much trash you have to do
civic palm
Nah.
spice surge
Ill probably run 2x deadshot, 1 ace, 1 wits and 2 tc
civic palm
LOOK HERE ELEEM THE SUPPOSED SUB ROGUE
verbal nimbus
stupid sub rogues
spice surge
I am a master of deception
verbal nimbus
GET EM OUT
spice surge
👈
primal gazelle
someone should update annoucements to include traits from pvp
solid nova
DM me a link and i can add it to the #rules-and-guides 👌
as the other 2 are there as well
round harbor
I'm going 2 ace 2 ds 1 wits 1 barrage
civic palm
Get yer outlaw shits outta here ya little fuckers 👉 👈 👉 👈
spice surge
Harder to get, and i dont actually think outlaw will see much play in the raid
Unless you're a diehard outlawboi
civic palm
Nah there's not enough targets in Battle IIRC.,
languid ore
Outlaw #1 ???
languid ore
Uff
jolly trout
assa overlords
languid ore
Damn. Did I make a mistake switching to ass
jolly trout
but seriously i like the bfa outlaw more than the legion one, but still this gambling tho
languid ore
It's seriously not that bad
languid ore
It only blows when you don't get crit. So 80% of the time it blows but that 20%... The dream
buoyant coyote
I'v never had that job before
spice sorrel
Did I miss something? Unstable flames never simmed that high for me
spice surge
Tbh outlaw is fine as long as there is aoe for wits, then it doesnt matter what you roll
But on pure st its bleh
Unstable is good for aoe, not ST
spice sorrel
Oh. Better than heed?
jolly trout
thats true but i like it when i use my shit and it does what it is supposed to do and i don't have ti use it again because it sucked the first time
spice surge
Heed is basicly singletarget, so yeah
The cleave from heed is 3 yards, which very rarely hits multiple targets
spice sorrel
I guess outside of gorefiends that's true
languid ore
How many of the new fights have cleave over st
I haven't been keeping up. Working 16 hr days
buoyant coyote
Bois i need tips
languid ore
Just the tips
buoyant coyote
So...Do rogue run orbs on Ghuun M
languid ore
There are better options, no?
round harbor
Ok?
Rogue isn't the best and isn't the worst runner
Sin is the worst of the three specs as far as mobility but it still fine to grab orb, Sprint to gate then back to boss
wary ice
If you got time just yourube it; theres probably a 30s clip somewhere that shows the run in its entirety
round harbor
There is nothing to know
Run to spot. Click orb. Run to spot 2. Click extra action button. Run back to boss
wary ice
aint sayin ur wrong; I am saying I've done enough runs with dropped orbs to say if you're not confident in it; look it up
royal lantern
solo orb as sub is not hard
get a mousover sstep macro and just go gate>step>step>vanish>sstrike and you are done
primal gazelle
😮 its possible to get 2 of each SS/SOB/EB with triple unstable flames
buoyant coyote
@round harbor yea im just gonna grab and run and throw it seems
primal gazelle
sadly 2 of the pieces come from pvp 😦
wary ice
glbright
wary ice
Is sob looking to be BIS for raid next tier week?
buoyant coyote
idk check the gear that drops
round harbor
My gm was nice and decided to just do 7/8 this week and save our braincells for next week
buoyant coyote
we just wanna try it
proud compass
Do we already know how good/bad trinkets in bod will be?
round harbor
Have you killed it before?
royal lantern
ghuun is not really fun too progress
royal lantern
its a somewhat interesting fight yeha, but you spend the first 100 pulls waiting that your orb groups finaly get it done
for everyone else the fight at this point is boring as hell cus they just do the ussual raid fight ´´hit stuff, dont stand in aoe's´´
unborn mist
Ghuun prog is the type of fight where you learn to hate specific people in your guild for messing up super simple mechanics or not using their mics
primal gazelle
was it as fun as augur prog? 😄
unborn mist
Well, that just means your guild is bad tbh. There are dungeon bosses harder than her. 🤷
royal lantern
the fuck im talking? i mean that titan bitch in ToS
idk the name, they all look the same
hollow lynx
Maiden
unborn mist
ohhhhh, Maiden.
royal lantern
´´time too play some wow´´ HERE IS THE GUIARTAR HERO MINIGAME!!!!!
hollow lynx
"Through the fire and flames"
unborn mist
"And then the your DK got greedyyyyy and hit the wrooooong orrb! And now there's bombs all over raid. Next you're dying on the floorrrrrr. Dun dun dun duuuuuun"
royal lantern
always the dk lol
buoyant coyote
this fight is fun 
austere wadi
Hello, I'm trying to help a fellow guildy out with some log reviews(haven't helped with melee logs in a while) and noticed he had particularly high miss%28-30% in comparison to other sin rogues around 15-20% is there an aspect to this that is due to being a dual wielder/melee in general? I checked the miss break down and none of it was parried. Is he standing in front of a boss and just being dodged or is this a part of being a dual wielding class?
arctic harness
Is there somewhere you can read how to play with Elaborate planning?
buoyant coyote
arctic harness
When you're in your normal rotation, do you try to keep it up as muchn as possible (so spend <4 CP finishers), do you try and chain 2 finishers together or do you just finish whenever you can and ignore its there
buoyant coyote
I only spam Env inside EB if i have the energy to keep envenom up
civic palm
Just make sure EP is up during your burst windows.
arctic harness
Which is just during Vendetta, or during TB also?
arctic harness
What's EB?
buoyant coyote
EP
*
arctic harness
Ah ok, cool, thanks.
buoyant coyote
Im enjoying this beatinb ghuun is giving 
gray crest
for M ghuun should i be running blindside for the execute?
civic palm
No
strange python
Are they buffing shrouded suffocation or just changing the tooltip in BOD?
inner pecan
tooltip only
mint creek
i have 28crit, 11 haste, 38 mastey atm with 3 sockets + enchants still being on haste, shall i swap to mastery or crit for m+?
fallow cypress
I mean i guess it would depend on your group composition and your role in the group?
mint creek
there is always a DH dps with me and other is mage/boom/lock, i do usually 15s so have time to build dmg on mobs on most case
fallow cypress
pretty low haste for single-target, and it seems you're going all out for aoe - so your groups have to make up time by pulling big and doing huge aoe dps, especially on tyrannical weeks
It really just depends on what you want, if you want big pull aoe dps...keep swapping shit out for crit/mast - or try to balance it out...i think it just comes out to preference and composition mostly
gilded crest
are there any sims for zandalaris
runic maple
agil sims last for me atm, wtf
hot flume
Hi, got a quick question guys. Is there an easy way to see in the logs of vectis, who applied the infection by slacking with 6+ stacks during the cast of contagion ?
leaden seal
Does damage snapshotting work on target dummies
outer ruin
I've been pretty frustrated by my lack of M+ dps in 12-14 dungeons. I've been following Dratnos's guides for assassination, but my numbers are never anywhere near his in his videos. I'm a pretty fresh character without access to a bunch of azerite traits that most have, but was wondering if folks could give me a look over for anything glaringly off.
leaden seal
Message your io
odd hatch
fresh coyote
Is there an m+ guide anywhere
round harbor
If you don't have access to the same azerite and arnt doing the same level of keys or pulls as he/they are doing then it's silly to try and compare
hazy pebble
whats better DD vs SS in Uldir?
civic palm
hmmm
round harbor
They have different uses
civic palm
Fight length matters a tremendous amount.
shell wind
bit of a stupid question, but how does using an empowered garrote interact with the bit left of a non-empowered one? do i get a full length empowered one or a mix or what?
i worded this poorly, is it intelligible at all? lmao
civic palm
You get what you cast most recently.
civic palm
Because there are better options.
echo night
such as?
civic palm
and there are plenty that did at one point.
But atm EB or even 1 Scent probably leads to better damage.
echo night
but is 3x SS not good anymore or is it still top tier trait comp?
marble hemlock
getting SS helmet is nigh impossible
you had to get lucky with weekly chest, or buy one (which isnt worth seeing how the new raid comes out soon)
echo night
i got 390 SS helm shoulders and chest ?
marble hemlock
well, lucky you
echo night
would u run 3x SS Selia?
marble hemlock
only 385 piece you can get with SS is chest, from fetid
somewhat achievable shoulders are 370 emissary ones, but ive met plenty of people who just didnt get them for months, myself included
depends on the dungeon
you can never go wrong with 3xSS
but in dungeons where you pull huge, like freehold or ML, id prefer 2EB+1SS
echo night
gotta check the azerite pieces i got and how they will be with the new rings
omg
the shrine head has EB and SS
omg 0.o so does the shoulders from FH
haha, gonna have 1x DD 2x EB 3x SS
guess im pretty much set for next M+ season 😄
just need to get the Waycrest chest now then ill have 3x EB 3x SS
marble hemlock
old pieces wont gain the new ring
only items dropped after new raid hits do
All epic Azerite armor of item level 370 or higher, obtained from Battle of Dazar’alor, world quest emissaries, Season 2 dungeons, or Season 2 PvP, will have a fifth outer ring with additional spec-specific traits.
civic palm
okbai
echo night
thats the sadest fucking news ive seen, " here farm your brains out toget good azerites pieces, oh nvm, we're coming with new ones, another round of farming your brains out"
civic palm
Bigger numbers...
rose perch
I would 3xSS in Tyrannical KR and ToS probably, but yeah few have access to 390/375 SS helmet
muted jacinth
high end m+ sin players will use triple shrouded. thats including 360 helm 375 shoulders and fetid chest. ive seen that and just 375 / 390 chest SS and archive helm
or echos in there as well
dark crag
Does that mean uldir won't get the new ring?
civic palm
That is literally what it says.
dark crag
I wish i could read
ripe raptor
is there anyone on that can help me with mythic raid problem, i am parsing complete trash in mythic. Just went into mythic progression and am doing not even green, like i need help here
untold current
I mean, is that really true tho, that EB + scented is better than triple SS? I find that hard to believe
Maybe for alot of pad dmg, but killing prio targets and boss i dont see EB + scent being better
civic palm
There are no real priority targets, and you're always gonna want 1 SS.
untold current
Really?
I'm not a super duper pusher but infested counts as prio, and I can think of most instances with prio dmg
muted jacinth
havent seen musclebrah or a shine use scrnt
civic palm
Infested die so fast that they basically don't count.
There's nothing with so much health that you would be Vendetta+Vanish+Garroting them.
untold current
Shrouded has more use than pairing with vendetta and vanish
You go into almost every pull in stealth
civic palm
elder gulch
will 370 double traits be more valuable than 385 1 trait?
elder gulch
ty for the quick response! 😃
celest swan
@marble hemlock what u think is the go to trait setup for M+ with 6 Traits?
civic palm
# Tier 1/2
1-2x Shrouded Suffocation: Too much DMG and energy regen to setup for the rest of the pull
1-3x Echoing Blades: Value increases if you can guarantee bigger pulls and you have High Crit (35%+)
2-3x Scent of Blood: Best value appears between small and large pulls, especially when things live for the entire duration or Rupture
1x Nothing Personal: Misunderstood value from Energy Generation to facilitate more CP generation and Damage from Fan of Knives/Echoing Blades
Twist the Knife/Double Dose: Not AWFUL as you have 6 traits to fill and you need to kill bosses (same idea as not dropping ALL Haste)
It's important to note just how fucking much Agility you get from Scent of Blood (156 per trait @ 400, 468AGI per Rupture @ 400, 5 Ruptures equals +2340AGI)
- - - - -
# Tier 3
Overwhelming Power / Unstable Flames / Heed My Call
gilded fossil
main blaze
I'd probably shift away from EB and use 1-3xSS since it has a lot more value in ST. I'd only ever go EB if I knew for 100% certain that we were doing massive pulls..
civic palm
Yeah there's a balance there just as there is now between using CT and PBOMB.
civic palm
M+ is still something like 75% trash.
main blaze
Well depends on the week. Since high m+ tyran weeks you can spend around 15-20m just doing bosses.
civic palm
Yep, things will move around week to week and dungeon to dungeon if you wanna be picky.
primal gazelle
every dungeon is a EB dungeon with reaping
civic palm
Correct, group comp. will bring some issues as well, but not much.
primal gazelle
id shoot for 2 ss 2 eb 2 sob with triple stack unstable flames
bleak spoke
if eb dmg actually scaled off of sob would be nuts
primal gazelle
you can get 3 ss 3 eb but you would only have 1 unstable flames
celest swan
thanks for the inside, so 3x SoB and 1x SS ist our baseline basicly?
civic palm
2-3 Scent probably
primal gazelle
your overall dps is gonna look really low if you dont run any EB
bleak spoke
Seems like at least one SS and any combo of eb sob or ss will be strong with maybe outside value in np
celest swan
ok 1x SS und 2x SoB the last 3 traits are a mix of SS/SoB/EB/NP depending on week/comb/personal rpeferances i guess?
primal gazelle
simply bc you wont do enough damage to reaping packs with SOB or SS
civic palm
I do think that 2 SS is a trap and not worth it.
bleak spoke
But in a way after a certain point reaping dmg is pad
bleak spoke
Okay like my point is if the reaping stuff dies in the same blade dance no matter what
celest swan
but on the other side, i heard outlaw will be go to m+ spec fpr rogue, thoughts on that?
bleak spoke
Time wise
civic palm
Sure if the time the reaping mobs are alive is tiny, doesn't matter.
bleak spoke
Like it feels like if the reaping mobs die in one windwalker or dh or frost mage or whatever cycle
Regardless of traits
primal gazelle
or outlaw rogue
bleak spoke
Yeh
Outlaw and assa might be the play
In the same dungeon I mean
Like there’s reaping but the rest of the dungeon still matters a lot
celest swan
well sry to ask here, but cause @civic palm gave such a nice explaniation for assa, what is probably go-to for outlaw?
celest swan
1x KyWay 3x Deadshot
primal gazelle
i hope you realize without infested, 2-3 pulls at a time will be the norm
bleak spoke
Yeah but assa still juiced on big pulls
primal gazelle
which will make EB shine
bleak spoke
feels like triple eb and 1 ss + any of ss and scent will be worth to me
depending on whether you need pack damage or boss dmg
primal gazelle
or play outlaw 😛
bleak spoke
piracy is wrong
primal gazelle
Coordinated groups will be able to handle reaping better, but for the groups with lower IO, restealth before reaping is going to be hard, makes your SS traits worthless
rugged torrent
Do we still use low CP ruptures if its down like we did in MoP / WoD?
Unsure since Venomous wounds appears to have been reworked
outer ruin
ravenholdt doesn't mention racials as part of its guide, raid or uldir. I almost primarily M+, and the people showing top tier clears are all orcs. Is that just due to pvp value? or is there benefit from me going BE -> Orc?
ruby idol
Almost everyone at high io ranks is be
fresh coyote
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outer ruin
@ruby idol so you say stay BE? I guess I'm watching dratnos and 2 other sin streamers. all are orcs and I'm sitting around head scratching
golden relic
Dnt need to care about racials
ruby idol
All 9 of the top 9 rogues are BE. Only 2 of the top 20 are not BE. Theyre not BE for arbitrary reasons, ie they probably just like the race they are because the gains are extremely minimal. BUT if you are min maxing, 1% crit and torrent are the best horde racials.
vestal wren
that partly roots in blizz race balancing, be was op in legion and its still one of the best races in the game.
blizz for some reason insists to balance races propper (i assume the main reason is $)
golden relic
Theres always going to be something that is better in X scenario anyway , I find it hard to think that there would ever be a scenario where X racial is the same as Y racial but just slightly different, like if there were 2 BE racials atm , 1 silence 1 dispel, both would be beneficial, but in the end 1 would still be more worth
ruby idol
If they wanted money they wouldnt have left BE with bis m+ racials
golden relic
but id love to see them acctually do something with racials that are older , rework them abit
ruby idol
They would have gutted torrent and made sonething new strong af
vestal wren
its a bit absud with bloodelf tbh, they know AT was a issue and they did not change it for entirety of legion.
now they changed it with bfa to a dispell and add a lot of dispellable targets that needs to be dispelled to the game
coincidence?
ruby idol
Ya its just negligence
grizzled jay
You're giving them too much credit. They are out of touch and incompetent.
golden relic
I just think its ashame that they dont make more racials like BE, a utility, like warstomp is shit in comparsion
ruby idol
M+ is a side project for them
golden relic
or just make every racial a utility instead of a dps thing
ruby idol
They dont balance for or around it very often if ever
So things just play out how they play out
vestal wren
be's passive stats are also quite good in st + aoe
ruby idol
Troll still typically better in raid so BE stays as is
vestal wren
so even without at its a very strong race
giving at with a high power budget and designing content for it just makes it stand out again
ruby idol
But with all this said the gains are insanely minimal
Im literally only BE because of a high UR i missed timing early in the season by seconds that would have been in time had we not run out of torrents
And i tilted
golden relic
Traumatized into playing BE
ruby idol
Its not a huge deal in reality tho
golden relic
I mean, look wise, BE has some sick mog potential 👌
golden relic
Ive seen your pony tail pirate
ruby idol
Hahaha
golden relic
a true azerothian hero
ruby idol
vestal wren
race diffrences are dps wise very low
golden relic
With outlaw being strong next season in m+, its time to go stiff night elf model for that slow 
ruby idol
Prot warriors dont kite
vestal wren
for assassination bloodelf quite of beats it (dungeon + st)
ruby idol
We outlaw boys :)
golden relic
imagine knowing a prot warrior, haHAA
devout jolt
why is it strong next season?
golden relic
time to lvl alt and rename to Reapingclap
vestal wren
more azerite traits makes prot quite decent
ruby idol
We'll see how hard the reaping dot scales as keys get higher
Cause that could push them out in favor of dk/monk
But it looks good so far
ruby idol
@devout jolt were you asking about outlaw?
devout jolt
yeah
ruby idol
Ya some dungeons dk will be v good for that specific reason
Outlaw is v strong now already. Reaping favors its dmg profile even more
devout jolt
ah I thought it would be regarding reaping.
devout jolt
anyone tested fok with the new trait yet? that can be quite instant aoe dmg
ruby idol
I think we'll find what are the current best rogue specs in each dungeon, stay that way
devout jolt
same
ruby idol
So assa kr temple, sub tol shrine, preference the rest
ruby idol
Ya im hoping we find some cool sub strats like that
vestal wren
i am actually curios how sub holds with the new affix
ruby idol
Outlaw benefits from having their bis aoe traits also be their bis ST targets
golden relic
hadnt thought about sub as much with extra azerite rings acctually
vestal wren
you will still likely get 1x wits
ruby idol
Well ya
But many dungeons have bosses where 1 wits is bis ST trait too
Basically theres no sacrificing anything when your gearing outlaw and that has the potential to push it above the other 2 specs i think
Still just speculation
vestal wren
outlaw is atm not bad in m+ too
ruby idol
I hope blizzard also thinks its not bad
Because thatd mean they dont know its actually overtuned af
And is safe :)
golden relic
all tuned for 5th ring 😃 😃 😃 😃 shhhh it will be fine
vestal wren
i guess there will be a balance tuning for the raid sooner or later
golden relic
I wish sub just had more use then being a cheesy spec, but otherwise im pretty happy where rogues are in all specs atm. I mean obvsly not perfect but
ruby idol
Ya were speculating about things that will shift alot come mythic week im sure
vestal wren
sub dev's just need to take a step back and look what went wrong in the transition from legion -> bfa and re-iterate using that information
ruby idol
Just be new to rogue this xpac, then you can't be sad 
vestal wren
thats true, if you only started rogue for bfa you probably okay-ish with current iteration
golden relic
Haha, super pre planned tacs of re rolling a class
vestal wren
just like early legion sub for ppl new to the class
vestal wren
sub's current iteration is very close to early legion sub, and that iteration was so great that they needed to remake the spec in tos
golden relic
Ye but I think tomb sub was so nice imo cause of the tier set
now with no sets, makes stuff stale
ruby idol
To be fair, having 3 specs that are all insanely viable in different situations is a prett nice state to be in
golden relic
cause your shit doesnt change up abit every tier
stays the same , and azerite traits hardly change your rotation as much as some tiers did
obsidian sierra
I mean i only play rogue since bfa so yeah dont know what ya mean and happy 😄
vestal wren
sub was more extreme, all raids pre tos you where only relevant with 1 specific legendary, not having it was up to 25% damage loss besides the legendary acting like a wheelchair and making up for close to every potential mistake
outlaw still has its issues, but i think the bf changes gave outlaw a nice niche
vestal wren
assassination was fine with any dps legendary
golden relic
got shoulders litterally last aswell
vestal wren
even slightly overtuned compare to others due to low legendary dependency
golden relic
Zoldycks were sick though, would want smth like that back as a trait
vestal wren
ye the execute was insane
fresh coyote
are BFDazaralor fights looking good for rogues?
flat ocean
Fuu what spec are you planning to play on prog atm?
fickle viper
@golden relic how do you skip last reaping wave as DK?
vestal wren
i play subtlety, tho i am not in a guild where spec matters to much
flat ocean
Also what are your thoughts on treacherous covenant?
golden relic
You would hold a mob like in ataldazar and kill it after boss so the last wave at 100% doesnt spawn
fickle viper
Yeah, might not need a DK for that in every dungeon tho
golden relic
or it does but its not relevant cause dung is over
fickle viper
any dungeon you can kill last boss with <100% thats doable
vestal wren
TC is rly good, you will want TC or your usual strong traits
golden relic
no I would imagine you could just CC something aswell
quick ice
my healers are already concerned about it 😃
vestal wren
there is no real change for traits rly
flat ocean
You don't think it will hinder prog to much with unnecessary deaths?
fickle viper
Some dungeons you might not be able to skip something entirely to go to last boss
golden relic
Because you would have to backtrack alot of dungeons or re plan alot
obsidian sierra
New rogue meta shroud to boss
fickle viper
For the new TC trait I recently read that dmg that puts you into 20% range will also be amplified by the the extra dmg taken, not sure iof true but might actually make it pretty bad/risky
obsidian sierra
🤗
fickle viper
only at risk in M+ i reckon anyways
vestal wren
well wont matter for early progression given the majority will use channeled gear from m+
speaking of the world first race
fickle viper
hmm, i just typed something and it got insta deleted
solid nova
vestal wren
you probably used one of the forbidden words 😉
solid nova
Instantly would be Moroes
vast forum
Depends on tuning
golden relic
meffod
vast forum
If it's not a gear thing, method takes it
winter moss
exorsus got on big player with the highest hoa lvl. that's the only world title they gonna get dis season
vast forum
If a reset worth of gear makes it easier, limit wins
vast forum
I mean, if limit just didn't extend they would have won 100%
vestal wren
wasn't limit extending?
fickle viper
yeah thats the joke, but im sure htey wont make that mistake again
and then Vantus runes got nerfed or something as well
kinda yikes
vast forum
They have some experience with it now
vestal wren
if they whiped very low they would have killed it with a bit more gear
fickle viper
I swear, method is shitting themselves
vestal wren
for the current tier, things are not equal the gear channeling beeing exploited to that extend makes some guilds have a huge advantage
brisk forge
Community runs?
fickle viper
^the gear funneling was what my delted post was bout
the fact that blizzard is so unbelievably dense
to give it such a garbage fix
like how do they not just realise that it doesnt fix anything, legit doesnt make sense
winter moss
they fixed everything
vestal wren
ye 9 mythic split rund and 18 heroic runs to funnel gear
winter moss
vestal wren
ye funnel
fickle viper
Yeah
brisk forge
If u can do it why not ^^
placid egret
They reduced cloth and mail funneling by 2 raid spots. 
vast forum
Imagine valor points
fickle viper
Its just one of those blizz things where they added a scrapper
brisk forge
But anymore tho
fickle viper
and then their ego makes it so that they NEED to integrate the scrapper
into their gameplay shenanigans
and then it turns int ofiestas like this
vestal wren
yes they could avoided that issue by just make every bosskill drop a certain amount of the currency and make it act like a bad luck protection for gear
vast forum
I don't understand how they don't predict these things
fickle viper
i think their internal communication is at a high school level
you know, group projects
2 guys that dont do anything till the last day
cobalt gyro
other than the fact that it's super fucking unfun whats their problem with split runs
fickle viper
"fuck i forgot to fix azerite"
vast forum
I literally did a hc run on my disc alt yday for mythrax chest and a 389 guy gets it and says "sorry, need the residuum"
vestal wren
its not like i posted about the potential abuse day one 😉
brisk forge
I hate when they "force" us to do old raids... For the residuum
fickle viper
In any other situation that guy probably wouldnt have been in that run tho tisu i think
if it wasnt for the chalk
vestal wren
i think blizz just underestimated the effort guilds make to exploit a system to get a advantage
fickle viper
They might underestimate it, but then they acknowledge it
and legitimately covme up with a completely incomplete solution
vast forum
They're by far the worst at predicting emergent player behaviour
vestal wren
i just see an issue with mythic atm
they need to purposely tune it up or else we might have a very quick tier
vast forum
Yea
vestal wren
method has 2+
fickle viper
i thought they were at like 3k chalk tops
vast forum
Some ppl in method will have 3
fickle viper
damn
vast forum
Or maybe not idk
fickle viper
degeneracy rampant
vast forum
Thing is, next week, you have hc and mythic uldir splits, m0 runs, random hc spam, and normal and hc bod splits
So more residuum for every1
vestal wren
also mythic week will have higher reward in weekly chest
vestal wren
so assuming they will go in with full azerite is quite reasonable
vast forum
But then money > quality
vestal wren
ppl love m+ and its a infinite grind
vast forum
Or they could have done a 300% ak thing for 1st week of s2
exotic jay
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
vast forum
M+ is not a grind
It's competitive endgame content
It's like saying arenas are a grind
vestal wren
AP overall is a failed system in bfa
thats bc. they specifically designed it for m+
one of the reasons ap is bad is bc. blizz goes with forced content
e.g. if you want to get ap up quick you unavoidable need to do islands
if you dont like them 🤷 other content that provides the currency just will require tons of additional time to get the same result
brisk forge
Yeah but just doing the WQs will have your neck at 38+ 👍 So no need for spam if u aint aming for 40++
grizzled jay
Exactly
vestal wren
so doing all wq's is not farming, i see
fickle viper
doing all WQ is worse than islands
imo
id rather just grind island for a few hours just before the new raid tier than do WQ all the bloody time
grizzled jay
Not all just the ones with big rewards. Doing them casually gives you a good neck lvl.
fickle viper
ye true
grizzled jay
For 40 obv you need boring islands
grizzled jay
Do you do your emissaries tisu?
fickle viper
WQs are dead boring content that no one i know actually enjoys
its just another chore
grizzled jay
Unless its an AP emissary I just scout the map for one or two big AP ones and do them. That's about all the grind i do
fickle viper
yeah and at some point blizz became hyper aware of that and abuses it to force play time in shit content
not sure if its their egos or their jobs they dont want to hurt, ie. "we need people to play this new content or else we'll look bad"
so they just make IEs give disproportionate amount of AP
fickle viper
Its just as spammable as M+ essentially except they nerf M+ spammability as well, and M+ rewards like 5-10x as little
I mean, Blizzard literally takes away your power (azerite traits) and then gives them back to you if you are a good boy and you do your AP stuff
grizzled jay
It does suck that they made M+ less rewarding while making it a tad harder
obsidian sierra
Thing is i havent done wq or expedition (not even weekly) for over 2 month and im 36. question is , is it worth 2 month grinding shit wq and ie for 4 levels
fickle viper
'forced' sitn the right word for it, but its pretty nasty
obsidian sierra
You decide
fickle viper
The grind ties in completely to azerite system tho
so its not entirely somethign else
vestal wren
well ap grind would be fine if they did re-iterate on artefact and not bind your tier unlock to it
grizzled jay
That's why I guess the Legion Ap grind felt better
vestal wren
azerite is essentially tier sets and i cant think of a reason to say "yea i think it might be a good idea to have ppl get their tier set and have to farm to unlock it after that"
grizzled jay
The unclocking of traits and then losing them to unlocl the same ones sounds like a mobile game idea
fickle viper
That, plus a couple of other things are just phony ways to get people to play
People arent playing because they want to paly the game
they are playing because they feel they NEED to do this to some extent
vestal wren
the essentiall issue is losing your progression more or less
it is just a cheep way to keep it relevant
fickle viper
i found the banned word everything makes sense
solid nova
@fickle viper You dont need to do that thanks
fickle viper
no vanish emote for me to disappear with
I think lots of people have high hop[es for this tier, both the raid and M+ changes
Reaping should make people feel better about M+ again i reckon
its just gonna be spicy that we're only at 2nd tier and people are gonna start getting burnt out on same dungeons soon i think
ruby idol
Lack of infested*
fickle viper
^true actually
grizzled jay
No infested is a blessing
fickle viper
now they just remove bolstering and we're another step i nthe right direction
vestal wren
i wounder what classes/specs will be best for the new affix, did anyone play it as sin on ptr?
grizzled jay
Im ok with bolstering. Just remove teeming
fickle viper
Teeming i think is fine then again tbh
Its just more mobs
and as long as the mobs themselves arent stupidly designed
ruby idol
I played a bit of sin on ptr
fickle viper
its not a prob
grizzled jay
On non tyrannical weeks its not
fickle viper
Bolstering increases time
ruby idol
The other tiers increase difficulty
fickle viper
sanguine increases time
ruby idol
Ya not if executed properly tho, teeming is an unavoidable time sink is the point
fickle viper
Bolstering is an unavoidable time sink because it limits pulls
similar to teeming might
where a pack is suddenly too dangerous
to pull on top of another
ruby idol
Obviously sang and bolstering increase time in some situations
fickle viper
I get what u mean, maybe with PERFECT play you can minimze that time loss
but bolstering is just another anti-fun affix
palying better ==> still losing time tho
CCing a big mob and pulling smallies away
ruby idol
But teeming literally adds millions of hp to the required count, before factoring in any other affix. And performance does not lessen the effect of teeming basically
fickle viper
==> time loss
That extra millions of HP can also be entirely irrelevant if you are aoeing
having 5 more mobs to aoe on top of the 10 you already have doesnt matter if your aoe output just scales linearly with those mobs
the bottleneck of that pull doesnt change at that point
It still IS a time loss, and probably a bigger one gneerally than other affixes
ruby idol
So we agree
fickle viper
Yeah, Im just saying that other affixes are also time sinks
opaque tree
same Ivl, better to have 1 ss trait and one blightborne infusion (crit) vs 2xSS traits?
fickle viper
its not just Teeming, and teeming itself i dont think is an issue
I mean, at start of exp
because blizz went monkey they made teeming be ridiculous
and added some of the dumbest packs they could think of
ruby idol
@@gusty kestrel sub and sin still have there place :) think sub has a lot to gain now that you dont have to deal with shitty infest paths every other week
fickle viper
what made sub lose out because of shitty infest paths?
vestal wren
well you can now pull trash easy to bosses
ruby idol
There were bad weeks for sub in atal shrine siege
But now that nothing is ever infested its easier to pull for subs strengths
And yes pull things on bosses
fickle viper
yeah, thats true
i was thinking how sub also had a good infested kit jsut cause fo their funnel dmg
ruby idol
Ya but that strength exists without infest too right. For example, this week in atal with the skyscreamers infested
Is a VERY good sub week
But if those skyscreamers arent infested those are still very good sub pulls
But now when saurids would have been infested, those are still nutty sub pulls
But ya fuu i played mostly with 3ss 3eb, tho i think 1 ss 2sob 3eb can be very strong
Sins dmg profile felt really odd to me with the new affix, but i think as the season develops well start playing more for the dungeon rather than for reaping damage if that makes sense
fickle viper
im assuming you could stealth between activating the reaping 20% and the mobs becoming active ye?
ruby idol
Let the other classes handle reaping and just run like 3 SS 2 Sob 1 eb
Ya you can stealth
fickle viper
triple melee w/ ranged healer should be pog
fickle viper
so far melee feels like it wins on dmg generally
ruby idol
Anywhere thats not necessary you can 3x melee
fickle viper
yea
ruby idol
Trees beam feels too good to fully drop tho
fickle viper
ive also heard seli say 3eb/2ss/1 ttk for 6 traits btw
ruby idol
Ya i think 1 ttk has a chance to see play
Idk, stacking eb felt like padding overal rather than actually useful to me, but i did only play sin in the like non giga dungeons
fickle viper
ye, i thought sob would be insane too
maybe it still gonan be better on stuff like KR where u cant get macx value from EB anyways
ruby idol
Thats what i mean, i havent played sin in the big aoe dungeons yet
spice surge
Early on sob will prob be worse as it basicly scales with the rest of your gear. Having 400 overall ilvl will make scent less useful than if you're 420. Which is not the case for ss or outlaw
obsidian sierra
@ruby idol shouldnt ss2 not be most dungeons kinda aoe?
Like always pulling 2-3 grps?
bronze summit
Stupid question: is it correct to fan of knive with 2+ targets for combo points? If not.. how many targets are enough for FoK to be worth it?
ruby idol
Im not sure what you mean @obsidian sierra
vestal wren
2+ is correct
bronze summit
@vestal wren thank you
spice surge
2 targets is correct with fan of knives traits
fickle viper
js.
if it IS 2+ always might need an update
idk if the website is even touched anymore
fringe narwhal
idk the contexted on what you snipped but eleem says with traits
spice surge
Fairly sure it's still 3+ without fok traits
spice surge
I'll check the apl in a sec
fickle viper
so i figured id add that
2 targets wouldnt make sense without traits unless uve got 40% crit at least
wait theres some math missing i nthat
as of 66% crit your expected CP per energy spent on FoK vs Muti is equal on 2 targets
kind kindle
So I have been gone for a hot minute, is Sin still decent in pvp?
bronze summit
Ok so 3+ without fok traits is the consensus?
sturdy python
Guide has been 3+ if they need poisons and 4+ constantly
Don't think it's changed except for EB
bronze summit
Okey
bleak spoke
What’s ttk
spice surge
twist the knife typically
spice surge
I wouldnt say its awful, its okay
Its just that sin has so good traits that having an okay trait is rather bad
bleak spoke
Fair
buoyant coyote
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/cY47VFZTbWnzt9rv#fight=4&type=damage-done my prases is so low
buoyant coyote
I tried to keep my vanish for the add in p1-p3
bronze summit
Is the limit.of 3 garrotes from stealth using subterfuge still apply? Or can i garrote one more target?
dark crag
You can garotte as many as you like
fringe lily
Does raidbots accurately sim SS?
dark crag
Kind of
In a patchwerk you only get value In the opener and vanish but in actual raids you often can use garotte on adds
fringe lily
I assumed something like that, seemed odd that my 385 rezans fury chest was summing so much higher than 375 SS
spice surge
Well, SS isnt really a singletarget trait
So when simming singletarget its not very suprising its not at the top
solid nova
^
fringe lily
Valid point
haughty nova
do we stack shrouded suffocation or only go for 1 for the combo points?
vestal wren
depends on the context
royal lantern
for m+ stack
fringe lily
Thank you for the info
ornate python
Did anyone already took a look into the SS changes on the 8.1.5 PTR? is it a buff or a nerf for the Trait?
regal fox
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > mastery > vers >= haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.
bronze summit
Changes?
ornate python
ah okay. i was kinda confused about all the numbers changing and the trait suddenly saying "additional damage every 2 sec for 18 sec"
ty
spice surge
They're trying to convey that it affects every tick, just like it already does
Because with the current tooltip it sounds like its added onto the total, so just looking at it it seems awful
ornate python
Yeah now i see. That makes sense. Thanks
open aspen
and any legit info about asa go-to build in T23? Blindslide can be competitive? WTB decent egzecute phase on my rogue ;P
spice surge
Blindside is not a thing no, especially not in the new tier
sturdy python
If there was a place for blindside it would've been ghuun and it still sucked
spice surge
As soon as you have 1 double dose you dont use it outside of the proc
open aspen
so, mb some prediction about stats/traits/talents? exsa <> TB? EB <> MP?
i like exsa tbh, hope it will be playable ;P
vestal wren
exsang is rly good with GC, TB is else a good alternative
Eb is dominant
there is not much to predict, azerite stays the same the new raid trait TC is good
spice surge
You should get the 5:th ring asap though, its better than your current ones even at 370
brisk frost
is here already been conversation about what azerite pieces/bosses are optimal to roll first week
and how many coins u gonna save for mythic week?
spice surge
The best pieces, helm from first and shoulder from third/second
covert pelican
is assa looking like the progression spec again this tier?
brisk frost
y, i have 7 coins waiting
or 5 w/e
u gonna save 7 coins for mythic?
and be sure u gonna kill like 7 mythic bosses first week?
bronze summit
Not even one xD
brisk frost
is it better option than focusing on atleast 3 azerite pieces from hc and main hand?
bronze summit
In my case at least xD
spice surge
you dont have to spend all 7 in one week
bronze summit
That really depends on your guild right?
spice surge
Besides, the best azerites drop from the early bosses (except chest) and the best weapon from the fourth one
So
bronze summit
If ur in method or limit.. yeah 7 down in one week seems doable :)
If not well... i will just spend them on azerite dropping bosses on hc. And save at least 2 coins for prog
Mythic prog*
vestal wren
mystler updated the wowehad guide for the raid, might look their
but tl;dr: the traid trait TC is strong, the rest stays as is
brisk frost
is tc really that good? especially on prog
spice surge
Check your log how often you fall under 50%, its actaully really rare
Checked my progress logs for uldir, worst fight for uptime would've been g'huun at like 85%
brisk frost
atm yes when every1 is outgearing uldir very hard
spice surge
Progress logs, ie first kill
brisk frost
okay
signal prairie
u think TC gets nerved at some Point in the first weeks?
brittle ferry
Did the people running the simulationcraft website just stop working on it? Still not raw data for Dazaralor
shrewd night
Why have raw data for stuff that is still changing
brittle ferry
Why not? Why is it bad that I want to get some baseline data on trait matchups and stuff
And still changing? We are like 5 days from the new raid releasing lol
spice surge
What are you talking about? The frontpage of simc's website?
brittle ferry
Yeah
spice surge
Those rankings are irrelevant in most cases anyway, because speccs that are played less have less dev time and therefore look worse
brittle ferry
There should at least be something at this point for the APLs and data stacks
spice surge
But yes, things will be changing, especially after the first week
sturdy python
Then figure out how to do it yourself. Those people work for free I doubt they want to waste their time
shrewd night
Yes. Let's spend a fuckton of time developing something that could be rendered useless at any point between now and mythic week kek
brittle ferry
We always did before lol
shrewd night
'We'?
spice surge
There is a difference between simming all traits once, like they did for uldir, and simming every combination
brittle ferry
Figured someone would have hashed that out by now. Lol
shrewd night
That someone could be you.
spice surge
Its still just get the best traits
Assa doesnt have any good synergies between the traits anyway
brittle ferry
SnD were you the one doing it before?
shrewd night
Nope. I wouldn't waste my time like that.
brittle ferry
Ah okay, your just a guy here at the ready to be critical of someone asking where, what is normally pretty accessible data, is. Gotcha lol
shrewd night
Nice one. You really got me there bud. Must be really accessible data. I'm sure the theorycrafters aren't holding it back for a reason. Nah.
stiff grotto
rotation for assasination atm ?
solid nova
!guide
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/
bronze summit
Im curious.. what does everyone use for weakauras hub atm? Im using afenar's pack but there is some stuff i dont like..
gray crest
i use enkey's
wary ice
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
bronze summit
I know which ones there qre @wary icei was just curious on what the majority of ppl.ia using
@gray crest enkeys is outaded af.. do you maintain it?
wary ice
i just made my own; there isnt a lot to track for ass aside from CD's and Uptimes
everything else is clutter
gray crest
some dude named geo maintains it now
royal lantern
´´king dies´´
spice surge
Bad rng
scenic nacelle
Tfw you finish Uldir at 95% FeelsGoodMan
round harbor
93.8 PepeHands I suck
ripe nimbus
9001% 
silver horizon
Hi 👋 team
lean coral
i use frags WA's
ashen zenith
@bronze summit I use AssR by Sushi, which I modified myself to be a bit more BfA friendly.
buoyant stream
pearl bluff
Everyone go to Luxthos' twitch channel and type "!vote 6" for him to update Rogue weak auras, lol...
manic veldt
Im 8/8 mythic since a couple week and did not do my work to prepare before the next raid ^.^ assasss will be THE best spec again in next tier ?
vestal wren
likely
prisma monolithBOT
All specs are good. Specific ones shine in specific areas.
Check the following resources for the facts:
Warcraft Logs: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/19#class=Rogue
Raider.io: https://raider.io/mythic-plus/season-bfa-1/all/world/leaderboards-strict
echo crane
Which are better 355 shoulders that i dont have a trait on or 340 that i have echoing knives
should i use the 355 for single target and swap to 340 for multi?
unborn mist
nimble tartan
someone is gonna luck out on sub and get 3 tfd early and get it nerfed
coarse knot
should probably focus on getting neck lvl
gray crest
the third tfd trait is probably going to be too overkill
high holly
any profession items worth making?
gray crest
engineering has a cool shield if you dont care so much abou tmaking gold
echo crane
Is it reliable to sim multi-target?
icy pollen
hey, quick question
if i play with exsang
do i use it on cd?
The Ravenholdt Guide doesnt say anything to exsang besides how to use it in the opener
vestal wren
i would suggest the wowhead guide for a more in detail one
hollow stone
Just use tb its braindead 😎
round harbor
ripe nimbus
Just play sin rogue it's brain dead oh wait.
hollow stone
Teehee
round harbor
Can't tell if srs
ripe nimbus
Mostly lul
round harbor
Eh
I mean any spec can be braindead
Sin is just as hard as any other spec to have mastery of
Lots of little nuances to get full potential out of it
hollow stone
Yea. Sin is easy... til you see that super derp pull terrible dps and wonder if it really is that easy 🤔
icy pollen
Use Exsanguinate when Rupture is up for longer than it's base duration (meaning it has been refreshed and not just applied) and Garrote is also up for more than 6 seconds still.
round harbor
I'm outlaw is easier, and sub is alot harder
icy pollen
what, shouldnt i reapplay garrote first?
round harbor
I'd even say sub is probly one of the most difficult specs in the game atm
ripe nimbus
Yah sub isn't hard
sturdy python
In legion it had more punishing windows, a leggo that forced you to stay max melee range to benefit, and weird artifact powers that could be difficult to master (Sprint stealth)
Early legion*
Wasn't a very loved spec then though
fluid mist
I know it’s a bit of a grey area but how do you guys think sin will stand next tier in raids opposed to the other rogue specs? I’m quite invested in sin atm because i just like The playstyle a lot more but would you say picking up on sub or outlaw is worth it looking at The fights etc?
solid nova
It'll be fine
ripe nimbus
They do a balance patch a week before mythic release so it doesn't really matter what u pick now. Wait till then. And then make ur decisions any of them should be fine tho
fluid mist
I know i’m quite okay at playing sub but i just never really picked up on outlaw
round harbor
Outlaw is the easiest of the three
One builder one spender one glowy proc on buff to maintain and one cooldown that you press on cooldown
ripe nimbus
Uhhh BtE is a spender too
fluid mist
I just don’t feel it i guess :p i like sin way more and i guess sub is fine aswell
round harbor
What level of raider are you if you don't mind me asking
Heroic? Mythic? World 100? World 500?
fluid mist
7/8 mythic this tier but had to swap 10 people during The tier because of quitters
Nothing special 😃 mostly cutting edge tho
round harbor
So at that level it doesn't matter
fluid mist
No but i do still like performing as well as i can. I know all specs are okay for The content i do but if one is much better then another i still feel obligated to pick it up
ripe nimbus
Also if u want to be technical roll the bones is a spender as well
plain jacinth
So who to coin for the first week? The best 3 azerite pieces for single target seem to come from first 2 bosses and mekkatorque. Since it'll take a while to get to mythic mekkatorque, I think coining him is definitely worth it, especially since he also drops a good trinket. Not sure about coining first 2 on heroic since we should be able to kill them every week on mythic including first week. However, it could still be worth it since going from season 1 to 2 azerite gear will be a huge upgrade due to the extra trait. Also thinking about using a coin on one of the bosses that drop daggers. Need to use at least 2 coins to avoid capping, but should we be using more?
alpine rain
17.1k dps on Fettid w/o getting orb, thats pretty good for sin right?
fluid mist
On fetid?.. i guess you mean zekvoz?
fluid mist
Well there is No orb on fetid for starters :p
fluid mist
Check warcraftlogs to see where you stack up against other rogues
alpine rain
Most of the WL are super inflated with orbs tho
ripe nimbus
I usually do 20-22k with out orb
fluid mist
Yeah i had a 19,5 yesterday without orb
alpine rain
How long does your little adds stay up?
fluid mist
Not long since we have 2 Dh’s and a frostdk just wanking to The thought of those adds spawning
ripe nimbus
I donno they are irrelevant anyway I don't attack them
alpine rain
Mind linking log ?
fluid mist
I mostly fok once to get my poisons rolling on them
primal gazelle
what a legend 😆
fluid mist
And then just dot up The boss if they need to be refreshed and swap to The bigger add
primal gazelle
if you look up each of the logs, the entire raid stops dps and let him pad on adds, the amount of dedication is insane
primal gazelle
i wonder how much he paid his raid to do that lmao
fluid mist
Well it’s either a very hot lady in a guild full of hungry gamers or Some rich bastard....
I think i might get The boot if i even ask my guild to do this lmao
primal gazelle
one of my ww officers paid me 20k back in legion to not aoe adds during spellblade
so he could parse
ripe nimbus
Scrub mentality I would of told him to piss off lol
primal gazelle
nah pretty sure he got #1 that fight
he's a tank in limit now, one of the best players ive ever played with
primal gazelle
LMAO
ripe nimbus
And? Means nothing do people actually look at number 1 parses anyway? Get number 1 on prog then maybe u have ground to stand on. Getting 1 by padding means nothing
fluid mist
I was joking btw :p you know that right?
fading vigil
Yea he took you way too serious 😂😂
Sounds like a soft spot for him.
Good question on the bonus rolls. What do y’all recommend first week?
primal gazelle
he actually did get #1 haha
fading vigil
Wow big dick
primal gazelle
20k well spent
fluid mist
Indeed lol
fading vigil
20k well earned haha better way to look st it
fluid mist
I am not sure yet on The rolls. I Will be saving a coin for that first boss helm tho because oh baby that thing is spicy
And mekkaboi has Some Nice loot aswell but as The guy asking The question said it Will be a while for most of us until we reach him on mythic.
round harbor
Save bonus rolls until after you do all of heroic and normal
Then go back a second clear and roll then
ripe nimbus
It depends how many mythic kills ur guild will get. I'm rolling on first 2nd and 3rd boss heroic just to get azerite. Then still have 4 rolls for mythic won't kill more then 4 first week for my guild anyway
primal gazelle
roll on conclave if you care about m+ and getting SS and EB traits
primal gazelle
they dont care for that
round harbor
? As in who gets it?
fluid mist
Nah it’s kinda irrelevant :p
round harbor
Whichever guilds doesn't do splits
primal gazelle
method/limit will do multiple 9/10 heroic splits before killing jaina
fluid mist
I got a pretty good idea who Will get The wf mythic kill by now tho lol
primal gazelle
im rooting for limit just bc #us
round harbor
It don't matter to me too much
fading vigil
I enjoyed method stream, will they be doing it this raid tier?
fluid mist
I would like it to be limit just because they are The underdog
fading vigil
They should’ve had ghuun but bad call on the reset
round harbor
Imagine spending all that time farming to get world 2nd