EB is good in any dungeon imo ๐
#assassination
umbral hemlock
cerulean walrus
I mean, I'm mainly talking before the cannons
round harbor
Yeah either or
I'd take scent and pb for TD thoufh
If I played sin in there, which I wouldn't
fringe narwhal
It depends on how you pull. If you are with a lot of slightly larger pulls it's not as accurate for anything outside KR. Coming reaping which will probably have much larger pulls if its sustainable dungeon slice won't be close
fringe narwhal
With pugs with smaller pulls it's pretty good
round harbor
Also depends on key level. Scent gets better as the key goes up cause you'll get full ruptures easier
cerulean walrus
Right
brazen nimbus
hey, got a question, im running 2x echoing blades with toxic blade/MA since its simming highest for me in m+ and st, How would my opener look like in a m+ scenario? from 3 targets to like a big pull
Do i just wanna Garrote > Fok > Fok > Rupture and just Fok/ Rupture when theres like 6+ targets
round harbor
Are you not running any SS?
brazen nimbus
Havent got it yet
Just started it as a alt, its 376, got 2x echoing and a vendetta trait which is kinda meh
I guess i wanna rang exsanguinate when i get SS+
round harbor
I mean do whatever works for you ATM. But I wouldn't even do m+ without a single SS
brazen nimbus
I had one 340 actually, head
round harbor
Yeah wear that
brazen nimbus
And i run exs/sub?
round harbor
Exsang or the and subterfuge yes
brazen nimbus
alright
round harbor
I run tb, but I'm a degenerate
brazen nimbus
i run master assassin with tb
i like it
its simming 900 less with 1 SS btw
no wait 450
sorry
looked on wrong^^
round harbor
It won't be in practice tough
proven frigate
Careful with the mythic+ sims. They arenโt so great for rogues because supposedly it doesnโt count for restealthing.
And if you check the pins the guide has the SS/Ex opener in it!
round harbor
The combo point generation from SS alone is insane not to mention the dmg
wary ice
I've never heard of dungeon slice not accounting for re-stealths
primal gazelle
3 ss 3 eb looking quite difficult to get, only the chest comes from raids, the other 2 pieces has to be targetted with TR or get really good rng ๐ฆ
obsidian sierra
Has anyone here done sufficient ptr play yet or info in general to know if assa with the right traits (3ss and 3eb for example or whatever combo of ss, scent and eb)will be able to compete with other specs or classes in general in m+?
primal gazelle
yes, 3 ss 3 eb is BEAST
obsidian sierra
I just wanna know if i still can get frequently in pug grps as assa on high keys or if its recommended to roll for outlaw
primal gazelle
rogues will be top 3 in m+ so youll get into groups easily
wary ice
I think Ass and outlaw are fundementally different roles in M+
proven frigate
@wary ice when they announced it as a beta they said it didnโt.
hollow stone
As long as we still have shroud, we will be "needed" for m+
proven frigate
Or that it had issues with it
spice surge
I mean, burst aoe VS sustained isnt fundamentally different
obsidian sierra
Yeah i know and im wondering which spec guys assume to be favorized
spice surge
Either one
You're legit asking if you should play one of the best speccs or one of the best speccs
primal gazelle
not like ppl in group finder can tell if you are outlaw or sin anyways lol
round harbor
In the current state of reaping, outlaw imo
hollow stone
As a guess, and thats all it is, i would GUESS sin will be better than outlaw on high keys
obsidian sierra
Like if i go assa gear first 2 raid weeks and then 90 perc of playerbase want only outlaw rogues in their grp im fucked in the pushweek at 30.01
Thats my whole issue ๐
ripe nimbus
No ur not lol
primal gazelle
sometimes not all the reaping mobs will come at once, they might come staggered 5 at a time due to the distance of when they died, in those situations sin > outlaw
on the flip side, your restealths might be fucked if reaping comes mid-pull
spice surge
Play whatever spec you prefer
obsidian sierra
I mean yeah ofc im fucked then @ripe nimbus since indont get grps
spice surge
All 3 rogue specs are high demand and insanely good for m+
primal gazelle
youre invited most likely for your shrouds anyways
obsidian sierra
I prefer assa but outlaw in also kinda fine with i just hate sub. But i want to play what i find most grps with tbh
dark crag
The distance is not that much to make a difference
obsidian sierra
Thx for your opinions tho i think i stick assa then for the start
Since its also good for the raid
hollow stone
Sin is likely to be best for raid. And with both being comparable for m+, i think sin is the safer choice
primal gazelle
distance will definitely matter, you want all the groups to come together and at the same time, this is something the tanks will eventually figure out the most optimal spot for every dungeon to kill a pack
obsidian sierra
I just face the issue now since wits trait is ingame often ppl on 18 keys pref outlaws already
hollow stone
I second those ?
spice surge
then dont join that group
hollow stone
I have never once been asked "what spec" when i app to a pug
primal gazelle
same here lmao
obsidian sierra
I often get declined as assa and read in desc โpref outlawโ
primal gazelle
ppl invite you for your ilvl and io score
spice surge
Assa is in the majority of cases the best spec for high keys anyway
sturdy python
Not completely true anymore, depends what key
sturdy python
With reaping outlaw will be wanted I wager
hollow stone
"Majority of cases"
obsidian sierra
I am 2060 right now and thats what i exeperienced the last weeks
primal gazelle
link your profile
obsidian sierra
Since wits is out your spot or invite is not as safe as it used to be anymore
spice surge
EB
sturdy python
Just last week dad was running outlaw in a majority of dungeons
wary ice
160k:119k Ass:outlaws
primal gazelle
im mindblown you have issues getting into groups as a 2060 iO sin rogue lol
sturdy python
Not really surprising, pugs that high probably are a lot more picky
obsidian sierra
Its like that i mean might be the issue that keystone deletion isnt a thing anymore pppl hols their keys tight and there are less in general in tool
But also i often read that they want outlaw
dark crag
The higher the score/key the pickier they get
void gazelle
Wait, you can't destroy your key now?
wary ice
oof
sturdy python
Nope
obsidian sierra
You need to play 1. bad keys and 2. waste time on pushing 1 key at a time instead of complete 1 dung to get a full set of keys to spam
Thats just a bad thing
wary ice
I cant believe ppl complained about key fishing, tbh
obsidian sierra
Yeah and thats the reason ppl are even more picky and think 5 times about what spec they invite
So also might get declined as assa
primal gazelle
rip gotta learn to play outlaw now
obsidian sierra
Maybe get lucky with gear drops and have a good mainhand so can switch
Is my hope
nimble tartan
i mean outlaw is really HOT
if you look at top ios of rogues its split if not more outlaws atm
they're both fine obviously rogue just has 2 really nice specs for m+ atm and sub also has its niche dungeon
brazen nimbus
Crimson tempest vs poison bomb? what would you go for this week?
or do you ever use crimson tempest?
solid nova
!ct
prisma monolithBOT
There is no specific week or affix that makes one or the other more viable.
CT vs PB is mainly down to your group, the dungeon itself and your pull sizes, with PB naturally having an edge in boss fights.
It's mainly the combination of affixes and dungeons that favour one or the other. High Tyr KR/Temple favour PB in general, due to low pulls and harder bosses.
In terms of Exsang vs TB; Exsang wins since it works well with SS traits and it's only 1 global on your priority target for some burst damage and extra energy.
TB usually locks you to that target to gain the most out of it.
brazen nimbus
Ty ๐
primal gazelle
lol this is a cool ability for the Grong fight in the new raid, it shows up under player damage - dps who uses this will automatically parse 99% ๐
brazen nimbus
Can you do multiple?
obsidian sierra
Kaggz pb is only better in kr and temple. In sots and siege you can decide, since there are a lot smallies and how your grp wanna pull
But in all other dungeons there are always 2 grp pulls min
Which is why most assas have ct in them
plain thistle
this damage will probably not count to parses, they can easily black list any "discharge damage"
civic palm
Yeah, your still gonna stack +DMG for it because of the DMG it does, but it will probably be removed.
primal gazelle
according to the fatboss vid, that ability can crit ๐ฎ
hollow stone
Yea. It fo sho will be blacklisted from logs. But your in game dps meter will show dick flexin'. Wurf
primal gazelle
it can be amplified by MA, warrior's recklessness, mage's combust etc
thatll prob be fixed on live tho.. i cant see blizz being THAT dumb
plain jacinth
treacherous covenant at the top of trait charts. Sorry healers
civic palm
Nah
nimble tartan
Hell yeah
round harbor
hElL yEaH
buoyant coyote
how do i like tell someone thats taking lot of dmg without being an ass?
still an trail so dont wanna overstepp
civic palm
Check w/e damage meter you are using most can show damage taken.
marble hemlock
are you an officer, or just a member in your guild?
basically comes down to whether you have the "authority" to call people out on playing badly
civic palm
Also if someone asks but no one answers, better to be able to give an answer.
marble hemlock
most guilds like to handle cases like that through officers/raidleaders taking the time to talking to the person in question, but some guilds are just very open about it and call each other out no matter the rank
and, well, if youre one of those person who is supposed to call people out, just do it
if they take it the wrong way, well, stop taking unncessary damage
ripe nimbus
If it's not ur job just ignore it if it bothers u tell a GM or officer if it's ur job link meter and say improve this please
marble hemlock
ye
if its something you noticed and youre not an officer/rl/gm, just talk to those and mention it
if its a trial, feedback like that is generally appreciated
civic palm
or bring it up covertly :3
buoyant coyote
Im currently a trail
civic palm
Talk about the possibility of someone taking too much damage from abilities.
primal gazelle
trial*
civic palm
Make it seem like you don't want to be the sucker here.
buoyant coyote
there is me another rogue I'v taken 2 blast on myhtrax and him like 14
civic palm
Hey sometimes being diplomatic will get you to the resolution you wanted.
buoyant coyote
Kinda wanna give some feedback without being an ass
marble hemlock
just ask how your trial is going so far
prepare some stuff that you feel you could improve on
maybe theyll mention something youre not aware of yet
buoyant coyote
he has like 2-3% more dps but i do not get hit at all
marble hemlock
but if youre both trials, youre really in no position to mention his mistakes
like
either they see that youre the better player mechanically
or they dont
at which point youd rather not want to raid in that guild anyway
ripe nimbus
What's there to be diplomatic about?? If someone is playing badly it's not being an ass to just bring it up to who ever handles that. It is being an ass to just tell it mid pull "hey soandso horrible rogue over here sucks at the game"
marble hemlock
if the officers cant even read logs properly or dont care about people taking unnecessary damage
but if a trial came to me and told me about naother trial playing badly
civic palm
Not all guilds wanna hear input from a trial, so if it's a problem bring it up when problems need to be resolved.
marble hemlock
id see that as a waste of my time, cause i know what my duties as a RL entail, and i probably know about that trial playing badly
civic palm
at the end of the day if the guy isn't causing problems, who cares.
marble hemlock
taking unnecessary damage = causing problems
ripe nimbus
Not always lol
marble hemlock
always
ripe nimbus
No my healers want us to take damage so they have something to do
nimble tartan
No bueno
marble hemlock
you never know what issues may arise further down the line because you fucked up a mechanic
marble hemlock
if youre waiting for healers to tell you you suck at the game, its too late already anyway
hollow stone
Nitpicking.. taking unnecessary damage in a progression setting is unacceptable
marble hemlock
^this tbh
civic palm
letsJustNitpickEveryonesRotationWhileWereAtIt
marble hemlock
just because it doesnt cause a wipe directly, doesnt mean it wont lead to more issues further down the line, especially when you consider that youre just 1 part of the equation, if everyone would be doing it youd wipe constantly
@buoyant coyote as for your issue, since youre a trial, id advise to just not say anything and see how the trial goes
civic palm
I will say that while you are a trial at a guild, it goes both ways to an extent.
If you don't wanna be in a guild that isn't willing to pin-point this kinda of damage, then it's up to you as much as it is up to them.
buoyant coyote
I'v talked and they are happy with me , and yea we are both trails
marble hemlock
but you obviously could ask how your trial is going and if they can say whether theyre interested or not, seeing how its only ~2week to the new mythic raid you should be getting an answer sooner, rather than later, on the offchance of them not taking you
*trials
ripe nimbus
I take intentional damage all the time. Our healers want us to and we do it to optimize damage. There's a difference in taking unintentional damage ur healers can't handle and taking damage ur healers can handle
buoyant coyote
Im pulling high numbers doing all job they ask for aswell and avoidng shit
solid nova
Then you're doing the right thing in terms of what they require.
buoyant coyote
I just dont wanna be an ass :c
hollow stone
Thats no longer unnecessary damage then @ripe nimbus
solid nova
Just keep doing your own thing dude and ride out the trial
marble hemlock
his gameplay doesnt concern you, as long as hes not wiping the raid (at which point hed be replaced) or he gets promoted
buoyant coyote
Okay I just though it could help our proggress on myhtrax
marble hemlock
well, that depends on the kind of guild youre in
buoyant coyote
thats my main reason why asking
civic palm
If the healers are OOMing then it could be an issue, up to the healers to bring it up though.
hollow stone
Personally, i would say something to the gm or officers. But thats just how i am
marble hemlock
we usually just shittalk each other after a raid and link logs and shit, or talk about it after raid
hollow stone
I wouldnt make it public
marble hemlock
so just saying "we're still taking too much damage from beams, which leads to people having higher stacks and healers having to heal more, which might wipe us in the last phase of the fight" and linking the damage taken (with a 3-4death cutoff) of avoidable mechanics
buoyant coyote
thanks guys just gonna wait and see how it goes then
marble hemlock
would be considered good feedback in most guilds worth their salt
civic palm
If someone brings something up and you've a good point to be made, bringing it up can fasttrack your trial sometimes.
buoyant coyote
We had a few wipes due to deaths of beams so mostly my main reason but ima wait and not say to much
solid nova
As your still trailing, the right way to approach it might just come with time and understanding how this guild works in terms of highlighting issues
civic palm
TRAILING
marble hemlock
which would mean more people have to get orbs, which means higher stacks on tanks
nimble tartan
๐
solid nova
Too lazy to change it sorry not sorry
marble hemlock
and what richard said
if youre unsure how the guild likes to give/receive feedback
just hold back on it until you do
that would also be an opening to talk to the rl/gm
civic palm
Yeah, just chill till people are open to feedback, then bring up damage in general and have them investigate.
nimble tartan
If that rogue ever gets orbed just hit em with the full blind to show dominance
civic palm
lol
marble hemlock
just say that youre unsure as to how you should be giving feedback to the raids performance, since oyu have something that you feel might warrant being adressed
shows the RL that youre interested in the overall raids performance and highlighting issues, and that youre capable of identifying problems with potential solutions to those problems
nimble tartan
This is the last week to blind someone u hate on mythrax lets get this bread
marble hemlock
"since im new im not exactly sure how/where to post feedback in terms of how we can improve as a raid, can you explain to me how the guild usually handles that kind of stuff?"
civic palm
-
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- Getting Head - - -
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- Throw someone else under the bus (but don't let anyone know)
Leaving that.
marble hemlock
thats one of the first things i did in my new guild, ask how people like to be given feedback
sometimes its just the RL doing it in private, other guilds just do it as a group after raid on coms/discord etc.
civic palm
Some guilds have the officers literally go to another channel to jerk each other off before coming back.
ripe nimbus
If ur in a good enough guild no one needs to give feedback everyone should know what the fk they looking at and doing :p
civic palm
Yeah that's basically no one.
solid nova
The reality is the raid leaders/officers should be able to see the issues when looking over logs, but 
solid nova
That too
marble hemlock
this late into the content
you cant expect officers/rl to actually do their job
in guilds like that its usually more of an amalgam of the few core players who are trusted and knowledgeable enough to help out
solid nova
That also can apply to the raider in question
marble hemlock
when the raidleader/officers struggle with it
buoyant coyote
our rl is really good on spotting issues from what iv seen
marble hemlock
its also no usually the same attitude towards raiding or ambition/goals within the game
neato
then just trust
solid nova
Just tell said rogue to join Ravenholdt and have their logs assessed ๐
marble hemlock
do your thing
buoyant coyote
maybe i'v missed it / they contacted him in whisper but idk
civic palm
ha
marble hemlock
well, most guilds dont like to call out players publicly
since few people react well to that
ripe nimbus
Some raid leaders notice problems but don't do anything about it.
civic palm
Yeah, many people can't even bring something like that up well enough to not trigger someone into crawling under their desks.
lost horizon
I RL a laid back 2night raid, we don't call people out openly on voice for serious shit
marble hemlock
well, i wouldnt be surprised if the guild knew about it, but feels like its not too out of the ordinary for a guild of that caliber to have people suck at mechanics
civic palm
I totally didn't intentionally get some drama queen to rage-quit the raid and guild one night during Antorus.
nope
marble hemlock
(not meant to shittalk the guild, thats just what it is ^^)
lost horizon
Usually I'll ask what someone died to and if they need anything to avoid it
solid nova
Well facts are, if you're progressing Mythrax its a chill guild and i'd just enjoy the trial my dude
buoyant coyote
nvm the other guy was replaced for now
marble hemlock
pretty much, ye
lost horizon
@subtle kiln better than being in a casual raid with people at each other's throats
solid nova
If hes already being replaced
civic palm
It took like 10 years but I found out that the very last person I want in my raid is someone with a persecution complex.
solid nova
They are aware of the issues ๐
marble hemlock
just do your thing, become the best player in the guild and hit on all the grills after everyone knows you have the biggest epeen
solid nova
The fact its usually a trial that gets replaced for a main raider, and it wasnt you.
civic palm
WATCH THE LOOT TO GO THE SHITTY PEOPLE
solid nova
They know you're doing aite
lost horizon
I have no idea what your situation is, but I'd rather not fuck with the environment my raid has by grilling people mid raid
And on open mic
nimble tartan
If someone ever brings up my mistakes in raid i lob them automatically im perfect
solid nova
Pls link ready for raiding 3
marble hemlock
in one of my previous guilds i almost never had to call out people as the RL
civic palm
The chick I got to rage quit, on multiple nights of attempts...
marble hemlock
cause the members were all comfortable doing it for them
so if a melee fucked up positioning
civic palm
would get pissy for being called out on doing things that everyone agreed she made errors on.
marble hemlock
he would just get scolded by other melee in the melee channel
civic palm
Mind you in this case...
being "called out" is being asked to wait to move with the raid and not early.
buoyant coyote
lets move on now
civic palm
I've no idea, whatever physical attributes she might have had were squandered by her legit concern that Blizzard wasn't giving her loot because she was a girl.
ripe nimbus
That's sexist
marble hemlock
idk, if people move too quickly
id just ask if they always cum too soon
regardless of gender :<
solid nova
civic palm
Yeah well she was premature moving on M-Hounds and that's not OK.
civic palm
S A C R E D
lost horizon
i wish you'd desecrate my sacred spec channels
marble hemlock
ripe nimbus
On argus prog we had a 1% wipe and I said if no one fks up rage I'll give the entire raid 100k but who ever fks up has to give me 100k. 4 people stood on each other as rage spawned and killed each other. Eziest 400k of my life
solid nova
@buoyant coyote Goodluck on your trial my dude ๐
buoyant coyote
thanks โค
buoyant coyote
how do i change my rank to sin ?
solid nova
Did it for you @buoyant coyote
buoyant coyote
no <.<
civic palm
No is right.
buoyant coyote
@solid nova I made it Im core now 
solid nova
tough lantern
gg
mortal fable
hello, I need help
ripe nimbus
Now hurry up and kill mythrax and ghuun u only have 1 more week xd
mortal fable
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/wGf8QhRngra2jMYF/ I'm the rogue there
I did not fuck up that big yet i'm always doing a 30% ilvl perf
lost horizon
at that item level you're competing against other really highly geared players
spice surge
Ilvl parses are irrelevant
lost horizon
i only skimmed some of your logs, didn't see any of the usual errors (wasted CP, low bleed uptime etc) but for example on fetid
vestal wren
all parses*
spice surge
Because there is a much smaller amount of people in those brackets
lost horizon
if you want to parse you have to make use of the 50% dmg buff below 50%
spice surge
Well yes, but ilvl parses even moreso
lost horizon
so since the fight is so short you'd hold vendetta etc.
at high enough ilvl you can have extremely strong overall parses that fall short on ilvl because of what eleem's saying
much smaller sample size to compare against
personally i'd recommend ilvl parses only if you're within a small margin of the avg ilvl of players doing that content
brazen nimbus
On exsanguinate opener with SS, after i vanish, i use garotte twice, my rupture will still have 2-3 seconds left of exsanguinate effect
What do i wanna do with that last gcd? just envenom and refresh after its dropped off?
rupture then i mean.
lost horizon
depends, if you won't energy cap you can just sit on the CP and wait until your empowered rupture falls off
brazen nimbus
And do i wann save my second vendetta for exs/vanish?
lost horizon
if you'd be in danger of capping energy then just spend it on an envenom and build to refresh rupture
brazen nimbus
Alright, so pooling is not a dps loss unless its during a window or something
unless i dont overcap i mean.
lost horizon
ideally you wanna be vanishing on 1-2 CP so you can vanish->g->finisher->g and be left with 3 CP and none wasted
but that unfortunately rarely works out cleanly like that
brazen nimbus
Alright yeah
and do i wanna wait with my second vendetta?
since my exs/vanish is usually off cd
lost horizon
check out the pinned guide, you wanna pair your vanish+vendetta+4th exsang
buoyant coyote
I had around 70% uptime on envenom during all raid night (20-23:00)
Is that good or shite?
lost horizon
envenom uptime isn't really a big factor
check your actual output and see how it held up
link logs if you're looking to improve it somehow or find errors in it
buoyant coyote
uhm how do i do that xD?
lost horizon
do you have the logs?
lost horizon
@buoyant coyote if you look at damage done, you were top for the night so you're clearly keeping up well for your group
but if you're looking to improve, find a particular pull where you think you did well (or poorly) and go into that to see if there's areas for improvement
buoyant coyote
yea i know that but i want to improve to get near the top rogues on the server
maybe tahts to much for me 
lost horizon
mythrax is probably not a great fight to be doing it since there's some add cheese, and on progression you're going to want to be committing more into the add probably
buoyant coyote
So far I save vanish for the add with blast
lost horizon
@brazen nimbus yes but it's dependent on # of targets
lost horizon
like don't necessarily prioritize garrote > rupture if you're outta energy
brazen nimbus
Ill usually play with friends, and since we're all like 2.3k rio (thi rogue is my new alt)
we'll probably do bigger pulls etc
right now im just doing like 13s
mortal fable
I feel like raidbotsscammed me
brazen nimbus
but since i just wanna get a more hang of it, i've read ravenholdt but its kinda short
mortal fable
My crit trinket might have been an issue
buoyant coyote
@lost horizon thanks for the input
lost horizon
For M+ sin is mostly about dotting the right shit
@gusty kestrel thanks dad
It's not much, but it's honest work
mortal fable
Do you think dropping haste for crit due to trinket proc may have been part of my issue?
Was using harlan + ivus
lost horizon
Did it sim favourably?
mortal fable
Ye
But raidbot says it does not take into account the dynamic buff
It just adds 750 haste
lost horizon
Honestly I don't even know what that trinket does in particular
mortal fable
Massive crit proc
lost horizon
But in my experience minor gear adjustments are very rarely the cause for large performance swings
mortal fable
True too
silent silo
Don't know if i should be proud of this lol
onyx rock
If it means something to you then yes, if not then not.
plain oxide
@fiery flower do I brutal slash on single target?
civic palm
o _o
onyx rock
Are there so few people playing Feral that they have closed the discord ? ๐
plain oxide
Yes sir
They only post cat pictures no theorycrafting ๐ฆ
Assasination and Feral is pretty much the same thing so I figured I would ask here
onyx rock
All the jokes aside, I'm sure Druid Discord can help you better
lost horizon
@silent silo good for the memes ๐
wicked abyss
Any info on the best traits or even better items in 8.1? I'm on the PTR trying to buy all BiS gear from the vendors.
true rapids
What's a good sim setup for Ghuun trying to get CE before Dazaralor lol
silent silo
If your raid has no problem in p1 for the adds go single target, its literally a race in p3
dark crag
Pure st execute
true rapids
so try to get as many gutrippers as I can?
dark crag
Yes
true rapids
cool thanks
latent gazelle
!ct
prisma monolithBOT
There is no specific week or affix that makes one or the other more viable.
CT vs PB is mainly down to your group, the dungeon itself and your pull sizes, with PB naturally having an edge in boss fights.
It's mainly the combination of affixes and dungeons that favour one or the other. High Tyr KR/Temple favour PB in general, due to low pulls and harder bosses.
In terms of Exsang vs TB; Exsang wins since it works well with SS traits and it's only 1 global on your priority target for some burst damage and extra energy.
TB usually locks you to that target to gain the most out of it.
primal gazelle
can someone post their @party1 tricks macro?
strange python
As sin do i want to try and focus 100% uptime on elaborate planning or just focus on envenom and bleeds?
spice surge
Focus on bleeds. envenom and EP overall uptime isnt very important
strange python
cool! thank you!
silent silo
If you want to min-max it doesnt hurt to hang on to 5 cp to envenom at the last second as long as you dont overcap in energy
formal anchor
!help
ripe nimbus
so for the raid azerite were gonna wanna go with the ones that have Double Dose and Treacherous covenant right?
spice surge
Unless a fight favors SS, yea
ripe nimbus
so basically the first 3 bosses has pretty much the best azerite for us
spice surge
Basicly, prob worth to get mekka chest for 1 NP
ripe nimbus
that Treacherous covenant is that a raid only trait?
spice surge
It only drops from raid yes, it works outside of raids
steep obsidian
that trait seems kinda dumb
taking more damage when low health
reckon it might be changed
ripe nimbus
welcome to fury warrior life in legion.
steep obsidian
at least with that you got more health
spice surge
Well, you're not very often below 20%
and the amount of agility makes it relatively far ahead of pretty much every other trait
ripe nimbus
i mean for low skilled players that take forever to move outta shit, it could be what kills them but for people who pay attention its pretty much just a flat primary stat increase lol
spice surge
Ontop of the fact that as assa you have good traits to combine with tc (dd/ss/np), i dont really see a reason not to have 3x of it
ripe nimbus
im gonna guess the damage taken doesnt stack but the primary stat does
steep obsidian
it depends
like trying to kill ghuun with that trait people would have died a few secs earlier
dawn coyote
Hey guys so I got benched on g'huun for my guild but we're doing one last run this week to get CE for those benched and I'm being told to solo carry a side, is there any video I can where I can see how it's done?
ripe nimbus
u can
steep obsidian
as sin?
ripe nimbus
yes
steep obsidian
i dont know i think that is a shit idea
steep obsidian
youd probably need someone to help clear at the start to make it worth it
dawn coyote
so cloak actually removes the root?
ripe nimbus
yes
steep obsidian
you can vanish the root too or use the wod free action potion
ripe nimbus
its close.
ripe raptor
i just started actually trying to parse, and i use exsanguinate. am i supposed to be doing toxic blade in raid?
steep obsidian
either work
you can sim to see what is actually best
its probably close either way
ripe raptor
i just see that all top performers or most, are using toxic
steep obsidian
play what you feel more comfortable with
for dungeons id prefer xsang coz i hate being stuck on one target
ripe raptor
yea i do more plus than raid for sure, but i want to get into mythic raiding and i need to have good parsing. guess i just gotta watch videos for uldir build or something
steep obsidian
read the guides and compare logs and stuff
ignore the very top parses right now as they are full of cheesy shite
but if you getting purple parses for your ilvl in a not great group you are probalby doing well
ripe raptor
yea i am doing that, but overall is blue/green. which hurts the eyes
steep obsidian
again that can depend a bit on traits too if your traits are garbage or you lack array stacks you can't really compete ilvl wise
10 stacks of arrawy is like 2k+ dps
ripe raptor
yea, not even trolling i have gotten zero azerite from raid. i have zero stacks
i run the double SS
steep obsidian
read guides do some runs and raids if you have anything specific to ask ask it
log any raids you do and soeone can probably look at them if they are nice
ripe raptor
ty very much
grave pagoda
Hello, might be a dumb question. Byt ive noticed that as a nightelf when i shadowmeld i can regenter stealth and sometimes i cant. What does this depend on?
sturdy python
Boss combat can't be dropped using it
Outside that maybs aoe damage or heals hitting you at the wrong tjme
grave pagoda
Yeah that i know. Vit this happens om trash
No im Still in shadowmeld but just cant seem to trigger stealth making me able to move and reuse subterfuge.
Like its for some reason dosent bring me out of combat.
vast forum
Stealth-detecting mobs, shit on the ground, random aoe can keep you in combat
I feel like sometimes if you autoattack the same time you meld it won't drop combat but i haven't tested that enough, so i don't take my word for it
static coral
How is sin lookin for the next raid. Trying to pick a main between a dk
winter moss
you try to compare very diffrent classes there lust. sin is looking good. some multi dot fights
unborn mist
autoattacks will 100% break shadowmeld. It's been years since my Rogue was a night elf, but I definitely remember having /stopattack macroed into shadowmeld macros.
spice timber
On the guide, it says if u got SS and use subterfuge. You wanna garrote rupture garrote while coming out of stealth. Why dont u wanna garrote garrote rupture so ruptute has more combo points?
unkempt karma
Pandemic effect
spice timber
but garrote garrote will have the same effect no?
unkempt karma
Well you won't get as long rupture when hitting it second time
Will only give ya 23 sec I stead of those 31.
terse rune
and your empowered garrote lasts 1 GCD longer
unkempt karma
Garrote, rup, garrote - ven - mut - rup or something like that
Bad exang and let the dps rock fest to the bank
Then*
spice timber
2 cp envenom too?
garrote, rup, garrote ven mut rup
that ven would be 2cp?
oh
ah
ok makes sense
unkempt karma
^^
dapper moat
I always open with garrotte ruprure garrotte muti vendetta toxic blade and envenom istead of gar. Rup. Gar. Mut. Rup. My envenom is always 4-5 combo points.
Should i instead have it gar rup gar muti rup?
spice surge
Openers are in the guide in the pins
polar tapir
Trying to "plan" what azerite pieces to go for next season. Can see that "Treacherous Covenant" trait sims extremely well. How is it in practice, and is it worth going for in multiples?
spice surge
Yes, unless you constantly stand in aoe you want it
polar tapir
alright cheers
spice surge
Being under 50% is actually suprisingly rare (if look through your progress logs) and being below 20% is exceptionally rare
gaunt yew
hey guys. how to sim Azerite Power Weights like on herodamage.com/rogue/azerite-levels/1t-t22-assassination , but with your current gear?
modest garnet
Just use top gear on raidbots?
sturdy python
Top gear works if you have the gear, gear compare if you are comparing what you don't have
modest garnet
Ah I misunderstood what you were saying. There should be a box where you can look up items on raidbots iirc
And add to the sim even if you don't have it
bleak spoke
380 galecallers from the m+ chest 8D
vestal wren
gaunt yew
thx, but thats not what i want,. I mean, there is AzeritePowerWeights Import String, but it simmed with "average" gear (on picture). Is it possible to sim yorself and get this azerite weight string with mine talent and gear set? sry for bad english
spice surge
Yes, but its fairly complex and gives you less accurate info than top gear/gear compare would
gaunt yew
i know i can just sim top gear to see what azerite piece is best, but im interest in exatly this ^ There is no open info how to do it?
whole cradle
do you get more single target damage if u keep bleeds up on a 2nd
or is the energy regen not worth it
spice surge
Im sure the addons themselves have some sort of guide, but as i said. Its fairly pointless and barrely gives you anything useful, but go ahead ๐คท
gaunt yew
ok then, ty for help
modest garnet
Shandrias the Regen is worth imo. For example when I'm focusing a ghuun I still open with garote on 3 targets and try and get rupture on one or two (one being ghuun mob) even though they won't really take damage due to the heal. Nice they will already have bleeds on them too for when the ghuun is down. But what are you specifically talking about? Like zek it's worth getting bleeds up on void weavers and boss to help kill them.
whole cradle
new boss conclave. if u get the chance to apply the bleeds to the other boss even tho the damage is worthless would it be worthwhile
spice surge
Depends on how far apart they are, but in general yes
Its not an amazing gain, but it is a gain
whole cradle
okay cool thanks
spice surge
Assuming ofc you dont lose rupture/garrote uptime on your maintarget
finite acorn
is agility generally better then haste on aoe ? just wondering should i use higher ilvl gear in m+ instead of raids
scarlet wing
hello ๐ (Zauber #278666) Garrote cast from Stealth generates 2 additional Combo Points and deals [210 * (1.27 * (1 + Versatility) * 1.14)] additional damage every 2 sec for 18 sec. this is a big nerf or?
modest garnet
M+ the guides say haste is worst Stat m+ since you can regen so much energy from multiple bleeds you shouldn't need a lot is my understanding. Split cleave fights of two big adds I'd imagine it's similar to ST stay weights.
civic palm
@scarlet wing Nothing changed.
finite acorn
kk thanks
scarlet wing
rly mizerok? sounds like a nerf
scarlet wing
lul. they just changed the tooltip?
scarlet wing
holy shit -.-
merry python
New*
scarlet wing
thanks
civic palm
The current tooltip DOES NOT explain Shrouded Suffocation well.
scarlet wing
true
lament dove
well one could think that if it works like a separate dot from patch, then the 80% plus garrote dmg doesn't apply to it
scarlet wing
thanks
spice surge
It doesnt stray, people logged onto the ptr and it behaves exactly the same
But yeah, even with the new tooltip its not very clear that it would be increased by subterfuge ๐คท
lament dove
hm, I rmembered wrong, if it says garrote does more dmg then it's logical that nothing changes
lost sentinel
I think it's clear it would, says it deals additional damage
dawn coyote
Does anyone here have a video of how to solo orb on g'huun as sin rogue?
dense quest
dawn coyote
hmm alright, i think someone here mentioned doing it yesterday without any of that
but it's meant to be pretty tight yeah
was just hoping to find a video on it as my guild expects me to do it
edgy peak
modest garnet
Someone yesterday said sprint double step and cloak cus it clears the slow
Also vanish removes the root they said
That was with the gate half way down though to get you to the end and not at start
civic palm
hmmm
modest garnet
Thought he was talking about sub
civic palm
modest garnet
I get that and someone else suggested sub was the only way yesterday but nice screen shot skills. I'll be more clear next time ๐
primal gazelle
Next week's end of dungeon reward is capped to 385 base, anyone know if it could still TF higher to 400?
serene basin
i'm 90% positive it's capped at 395 still @primal gazelle
final stone
was just actually reading this
@primal gazelle
so on week 1 of season 2 the azerite stays the same
the following week we will get our upgraded gear from cache
primal gazelle
that doesnt answer my question
however, during the first week of Season 2, rewards from end-of-run chests will be capped at Mythic 6 quality (item level 385),
can this TF to 400+ is my question
spice surge
Yes
primal gazelle
great lol
spice surge
Its similar to how every tier in legion and pre-uldir was.
primal gazelle
so spam mythic 6's for gear the first week lol
ripe raptor
is scent of blood ever worth over SS? like if SS is on 375 and scent is on 385
vast forum
in high fortified on certain dungeons, yea
primal gazelle
really? idk i disagree with that. I personally would use 3 ss 375s over 3 sob 390s
strange python
in witch dungeon you play cheat dead or elusiveness ?
bleak spoke
elusiveness is super good in temple
civic palm
Scent is damn near broken > _>"
spice surge
If you do high keys where things dont die during your first garrotes, scent is bonkers
If you have 3 390 scents every mob you rupture gives you basicly half a potion
primal gazelle
still much prefer SS over SOB tho if i had to choose
civic palm
That's nice.
primal gazelle
Thanks
lost horizon
Nelf skews things towards SS with meld
strange python
@dawn coyote Id say its not possible as sin, even if you're goblin. Ive tried my ass off an not managed it, seeing as im gonblin. I fall like 7 yards short ๐ญ
dawn coyote
Alright, yeah I'm a human aswell so I don't have any kind of racial to help me there
granite rampart
nope
pastel vault
someone did the sims on a stunnable target and kidney was a dmg increase right?
with internal bleeding?
spice surge
Yes
https://i.imgur.com/7EY32EE.png
Assuming the target is stunnable
And prey on the weak may be more damage as well if you're in a raid
worthy leaf
Maybe strange question, but I feel squisher as assassination than outlaw... Is there a reason for this or is it just me not being as used to the spec yet?
safe matrix
๐คท placebo
same defensives
unless you unequipped a bunch of your gear/defensive azerite traits
worthy leaf
Nah shouldn't have. I guess I'm just tunnel visiniong too much on my action bar and forgetting sanguine spots and shit
spice surge
Actually, grand melee gives leech, which makes outlaw slightly more tanky
But its not really that much
worthy leaf
Yeah I doubt that's making much of a difference
ripe nimbus
The only reason u would feel tankier as an outlaw is because of acrobatic strikes meaning u can stand further away from mobs so u might be getting hit by less shit as a result
uneven bolt
Whats better for m+s with 3 SS traits? Exang or Toxic Blade? 
noble timber
vivid nova
whats the best spec for single target uldir mythrax/ghuun guys?
wet oxide
Guardian
wet oxide
For a moment i thought someone would take me seriously. whew
edgy vale
guys wheres the best place to ask a question about specs? i see steamers switching between assa/sub and want to know when but the question isnt assa or sub specific ๐
safe matrix
either in sub/sin or #wow-general
hollow stone
@vivid nova for ghuun, sim execute phase (sub 30, 2mins); chances are no change in talents from your usual bis talents with your gear
Mythrax just straight up sim
lost coral
Are people using SS with toxic blade for quality of live in the opener? IT sims 300 dps less for my than dagger
cold meteor
ripe raptor
what are your stat weights supposed to be in uldir? i know haste is priority but having 22% on haste/crit/mast is not good is it?
solid nova
Have you simmed your stat weights?
unborn mist
You don't understand how to read the stat weights you get after simming yourself is what you're saying, right?
ripe raptor
Yes
safe matrix
basically you get a bunch of numbers
for one point of each stat, thats how much of a dps increase it is
so you want to get the higher dps stats over the lower ones
unborn mist
https://www.wowhead.com/how-to-use-raidbots-sims-stat-weights Also explains more about how simming works in detail. There's probably a pin of something similar in one of the channel, though.
ripe raptor
Ok, thank you
unborn mist
There's also the super detailed step by step guide on simming in #rules-and-guides
kindred wind
how do you sin rogues deal with explosive on higher keys?
wicked owl
so what traits are you guys planning to run for bod raid ?
civic palm
Explosive HP still that low? o _O
strange python
make explosive great again, buff em healthpoints
marble hemlock
no
strange python
hi seli ๐ last week i did it .. 385 dagger x)
haughty sand
spice surge
!ct
prisma monolithBOT
There is no specific week or affix that makes one or the other more viable.
CT vs PB is mainly down to your group, the dungeon itself and your pull sizes, with PB naturally having an edge in boss fights.
It's mainly the combination of affixes and dungeons that favour one or the other. High Tyr KR/Temple favour PB in general, due to low pulls and harder bosses.
In terms of Exsang vs TB; Exsang wins since it works well with SS traits and it's only 1 global on your priority target for some burst damage and extra energy.
TB usually locks you to that target to gain the most out of it.
rough halo
anyone know how to sim with alternate traits?
rough halo
ahhhh didn't even think of top gear
strange python
stupid question, but are we following the aoe stat priority for bod
quick ice
If you're aoeing, follow the aoe stat priority ๐
But the raid is probably more st-focus
violet sonnet
Is 1 SS trait recommended?
silver quiver
how is assass looking coming into battle? shorter answer
ruby idol
fine
silver quiver
Thanks, dad.
strange comet
ree
sterile ocean
Deadly and quick for enchants? on weps?
crisp kayak
Just sim, for me mastery and quick sims higher
modest garnet
Question about the toxic blade opener. If I have 2 SS do I want to change it and double garote for longer duration or stick with the standard opener. Seems like going garote mut rup is making me lose a lot of empowered garote time
fallow cypress
The pinned link the guide answers that rotational question ๐ There's dps rotations for any SS and toxic blade including other
If you have any, i think you generally want to double garrote!
rup > garr > rup > vendetta > tb > normal st rotation until garrote falls off (don't garrote to replace the empowered garrote) > vanish when garrote falls off and double garrote again
lost sentinel
@silver quiver
harsh sphinx
damn swapping to sub? @nimble tartan
nimble tartan
the numbers dont lie
steep obsidian
any good rogue should be able to play all 3 specs at a competent level, never know when one is gonna be op as hell for a fight like zul
even if you hate the spec generally ๐
latent field
Even outlaw? ๐คข
steep obsidian
yes ๐ฆ
you have way too many sockets rav
your ilvl lies
also sim dps isnt everything sin is tied around that fookin vendetta cd to a target sub is a bit more flexible eh
git gud at both
latent field
Sub is also more uptime reliant tho
latent field
Canโt argue with that
safe matrix
having bleeds really helps with uptime though
steep obsidian
yar
latent field
I love my bleeds
safe matrix
sub gets punished cause if you're not on the target your CDs regen slower, same with outlaw
sin doesnt have this disadvantage
jaunty crystal
where should I pop galecallers in my opener. I've been doing it right before exsang but I've seen some high parsers popping it with vendetta a couple seconds earlier.
steep obsidian
a lot of people just macro it to vend
latent field
Pop it right before the tank repositions the boss ๐
steep obsidian
which can get you into troub
jaunty crystal
alright
steep obsidian
what liavre said is right ๐
xsang snapshots your haste when you press it
loth was trollin
but galecaller is annoyin for that reason
jaunty crystal
so basically any time before exsang pretty much works?
safe matrix
I mean, at that point you're really splitting hairs
it depends on if you have to move soon
jaunty crystal
yea ofc.
I just mean optimally
not assuming you have to correct for the fight/situation
safe matrix
do it during both vendetta and right before exsang for optimal
cause then you'll have all of your nutty bleeds up
steep obsidian
i dont think its going to be a huge diff of popping it a few secs early or not I think the apl pops it with vend but you can check that in a sim
safe matrix
and it'll still be in vendetta regardless
this is probably like a 20 dps difference tbf
jaunty crystal
yea that's kind of what I expected. Thanks for the answers ๐
latent field
Early should hasten the bleeds just before exsang and you donโt lose the exsang snapshot ๐คท๐ปโโ๏ธ
safe matrix
your exsang bleeds are still affected by haste
just they have a major component that snapshots
safe matrix
tick rate
but the base tick rate value is calculated from your snapshot
atleast, from what I can remember
its been a while since I checked this 
latent field
Understood, thanks for the info
harsh sphinx
too many sockets ๐
patent topaz
I use galecallers just before vendetta on pull because it has a smaller gcd
viral geyser
Hi everyone! So Sharpened Blades is no longer in game? I am trying to follow this rotation guide https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-rotation-cooldowns-abilities and it seems to be seriously outdated... is there a good up to date rotation guide you guys would recommend?
quick ice
!guide
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/
viral geyser
nice, thx!
devout jolt
I'm curious, Sims are telling me to play Subterfuge over MA with TB but when looking at the sim rotation. it isnt using gar - rup - gar on either the opener or after vanish. its telling me to just gar - mut - mut - rup. should I do that or still empower my garrots?
ahh thank you
vast forum
Gar/mut/gar not worth it? I haven't played without ss, so idk
jade chasm
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
signal prairie
sup dudes I was talking to some guild memebers about the new azerite pieces from the first and second boss of the new Raid, I thought these pieces with Double dose, the new raid trait and shrouded suffocation is the best for assa
what are u guys saying?
vestal wren
3x raid trait (TC) rest dd >= (1x)NP > rest on pure st
could possible go 2x TC 3x dd 1x np too
near current
I think 1-3-6 drop the best combo of azerite traits iirc
near current
Yeah, thatโs what I meant. Just couldnโt remember ๐
shadow gyro
UI should fit your needs, figure out what it is, build it?
vestal wren
the majority uses a weakauras(thats an addon) setup, you can brows http://wago.io or use one of the suggested ones (type !wa).
If you want to customize the rest of your ui, elvui is the one that brings most out of the box, if you prefere to have more options and better optimized addons you would need to pick addons for specific purposes
vast forum
Default ui user here, it works well enough for any needs except specific boss mechanics
Well, mostly default ๐
buoyant stream
i was hopying to see what u guys have
vestal wren
yes bigwigs or dbm is always sth you should use
buoyant stream
like whats the main skills n stuff
vestal wren
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
vestal wren
all of those should do
buoyant stream
whats this
unborn mist
WeakAuras effectively lets you make mini-addons ingame
shadow gyro
@vestal wren you seem very knowledgeable on traits - will suffocation be as strong in 8.1.5. I'm not as knowledgeable about traits as I should be and I'll be hitting progression pretty hard Tuesday.
vestal wren
it comes down to:
ss -good in st and mt
dd - best st trait
np - very good st trait (tho not more then 1)
eb - very strong aoe trait
TC (raid trait) - very strong overall trait
buoyant stream
which spec is good for PVE
shadow gyro
All of them
buoyant stream
ok
vestal wren
its quite simple:
if you want to go pure st you will look at TC + DD + (maybe) 1x NP
if you want to go aoe/mt you look at SS + EB + TC
SS is still a good trait for st, so ppl might not switch it out for specific encounters
also channeled azerite does not have TC (as its a raid trait)
patent topaz
does the new raid trait work outside of the raid or nah?
vestal wren
it works out of the raid
tho you probably dont use it in m+ given how strong eb + ss look (or maybe only 1 or 2 times)
shadow gyro
With the extra ring on our azerite pieces, it doesn't change anything, yes? We just now had two main trait rings?
vestal wren
only pieces that drop after the raid is released will have them, old pieces wont
so you need to have the azerite requirements for the new rings also
shadow gyro
Okay, I think I may be confused:
Do new BoD pieces have an extra ring?
Will higher iLvl pieces from dungeons have an extra ring?
What rings are you talking about?
Sorry, I'll research this a bit more, as well.
fickle viper
All new pieces you are likely to loot when the new tier comes out will have an extra ring of AZERITE TRAITS.
ie. now you could get 3 big boy traits
soon you will be able to get 6
(still 3 of 1 at most)
vestal wren
exactly
if you run uldir there will also be the new trait tier on azerite
you can stack 2 traits to 3 in best case
vast forum
Are you sure about that, fuu? It wasn't included in ion's post
I mean about uldir having 5th ring
Though i always assumed they would
vestal wren
iirc they will
vestal wren
you could just hop on ptr i guess
vast forum
No room on ssd for ptr 
dark crag
With the new folder work you don't need a complete second game
vestal wren
btw. i was suprised that wow works on old shader model graphics cards again too for a bit now
dark crag
With that you mean?
vestal wren
my old laptop (who had a hardware defect on cpu hence i replaced it) was not able to play wow bfa due to them dropping support for old shader models, it works again now
this means they (probably due to compatibility issues) did change that
cedar matrix
why does topgear tell me to gem mostly crit in my gear when my statweights haste & mastery is on top while crit is by far the lowest? Playing toxic blade
brazen nimbus
2x SS better than 1x SS and 1x Echoing ? m+
vestal wren
@dark crag i made a issue about it in beta if you want to read up: https://github.com/SimCMinMax/WoW-BugTracker/issues/14
hollow minnow
@brazen nimbus depends which dungeon/pulls
knotty forge
Hello guys
I have a friend/guildy that are performing worse then wanted on his Rogue. Could anyone please help out and take a look at the logs?
lost horizon
Best bet is to get him in here himself so people can actually give him the feedback he needs @knotty forge
And get him reading guides and shit
knotty forge
Fair enough. I will tell him to join ๐
atomic creek
Has anyone simmed the Dazar'alor azerite pieces yet?
hexed sail
we can't evade the charge of the third KRboss anymore ?
minor bobcat
Hello I am that guildy/friend of @knotty forge problem is Iโm working and it will be hard for me to follow multiple people or a chat in discord, would be much easier to speak to someone one on one if I could
ornate monolith
From what I've seen. Link a log or multiple and then people will write what's up.
knotty forge
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/VNAJtTH6Yw7fyXqx
Name is criturpants
minor bobcat
Thanks @knotty forge
buoyant stream
!guide
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/
solid nova
Poisons on? ๐ค
solid nova
Substantial gear difference/ level difference, hard to tell without more details ๐
buoyant stream
idk i get killed questing very often too xD
bold aurora
any recommendations on where my haste should be around before gems/enchants?
jagged elk
hey guys!
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/19#class=Rogue&spec=Assassination
why are there so many top ranked rogues using shrouded suffocation traits with subterfuge talent?
isnt master assassin with double dose, twist the knife etc. meta?
vestal wren
depends on the fight, ss is a good trait for st/mt and hence often prefered over the slightly stonger dd even on pure st
jagged elk
i see them using it on every single boss in at least one trait. often also combined with toxic blade over exsanguinate.
do you open garrote garrote rupture vendetta toxic blade then on a st boss?
spice surge
Openers are in the pins
Also, there isnt a single boss that is singletarget (in terms of ranking on logs) in uldir
Which makes full ST builds looks worse
jagged elk
ok ty
vestal wren
well the first boss is kinda st
vestal wren
i mean logs are about cheese anyways
lost horizon
Pretty much, but the fights in uldir are particularly susceptible
vestal wren
i agree, uldir was bretty brutal in that reguard
only execute classes could come away with good logs in bad groups w/o cheese
lost horizon
Well something like Zul a bad group is ideal LOL
But even then, you're better off with a good group intentionally ignoring adds for you
bold hearth
Anyone done any stat weight sims for next tier? I take it haste will stay really good since we're losing a bunch from RA.
tepid fractal
no major changes for stat prio
bold hearth
As in no changes from the pins?
Because currently my stat weights are basically haste=mast=crit=vers
hollow stone
And sim with 0 array
safe canopy
theres no links for bis traits combo for the second ring yet is there?
tawny iris
what pots are best? agility?
spice surge
Yes agility
tidal gorge
Another thing re: SS vs. DD is that double dose damage builds up over the course of the fight sort of evenly whereas SS gets frontloaded / put into a specific window. If the fight has a damage increase phase (zek'voz, mother, fetid, g'huun) or decent add timings (zul, fetid, mythrax) or if pressure at certain points is required (g'huun P3) then it should come out ahead.
tawny iris
bursting blood not good?`
strange python
atal m+ low overall dmg, any others? xD all other m+ are fine ^^
lost horizon
I haven't had any issue with sin in atal
round harbor
Are you holding vendetta? There is a million things that could contribute to bad overall dps
lost horizon
Are you running CT or PB? Do you overcommit on the priestess boss when she's about to kill herself with transfusions anyway and then end up without CDs for last boss?
Are you only running into that issue with tyrannical/fort or some other affix specifically?
strange python
i have tried both ct and pb, usually going with pb, 28 crit 10 haste 40 mastery
and i have cds for last boss and the others
maybe shit traits then
lost horizon
What level are you doing and with what comp?
For Atal in particular I'd probably recommend CT cause you can get good value on a lot of pulls
strange python
did 16 recently with dh tank/hunter/me/druid/lock
lost horizon
You're probably falling behind on the little saurid packs
strange python
felt abit like that ye
lost horizon
What traits are you using?
Play CT, PB does nothing when the saurids leap all over the place
Unless your group struggles with boss dmg
strange python
1 ss 2 eb or 1 ss / titans and ditb
obsidian sierra
Usually lower overall dmg in siege or shrine with a lot of smallies but in atal u only got the 3-4 packs with smallies
Whats your overall dmg ?
lost horizon
Most groups I've run with pull all saurids, so like 7 packs of them
obsidian sierra
Yeah might have misscounted. However theres still the big one in it do full opener on it with exs and use 5 cp straighter after for ct on smallies
Then spam fok
Gives a good value of dps on those packs
strange python
14.5 was overall >.>
lost horizon
There's 3-4 without a big guy in it, but yeah that's why you take CT
When they jump around CT still applies damage through the dot
And had a way bigger radius to actually put it out
Where PB just drops on the floor and does jack shit when they leap out
obsidian sierra
Thats a bit low yeah i mean you will polish up overall dps with bosses and also the usual pulls of 1-2 grps together
lost horizon
I'd only run PB in Atal if the group was really struggling with bosses
obsidian sierra
Volkall full opener on totem and then vanish opener on boss
If you havent done yet
strange python
ye
obsidian sierra
Hold vendetta for vanish opener
bold hearth
looks like kimbul's trinket is super strong
obsidian sierra
I always do most dps on the first pull of to packs left to entrace, the Pulls in front of priesteess
Not sure if u have made mistakes there?
These make a lot of overall dps
strange python
im certain i do what i suppose to do there :/
polar timber
Idk if this might be it but the last boss doesnโt calculate add dmg in so it might account for the lower overall if youโre helping
strange python
just gonna go for the dung more i guess and figure out wtf is going on ^^
obsidian sierra
For big pulls using vanish and so on
obsidian sierra
No worries. Yeah as assa you dont help on adds last boss just run again to boss while spam 2-3 fok
fluid mist
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wary ice
CT in atal is unquestionable. Half the bosses kill themselves
Oh no im reading old stuff
ignore me
mint creek
Hello, first time asking for advice here. I managed to hit some milestone for myself this season but i want to push M+ and raiding harder on next season. My question is, some players i see on rio ladders are using Crit+Mastery built while others are using Haste>crit+mastery. im currently using haste one but was thinking if mastery+crit one can work better in dungeons since i run double SS and energy is not a big problem on big pulls etc. any opinions ?
civic palm
Haste loses value once you are DoTing a few targets due to your energy capping and you become better off stacking getting Mastery instead.
You still want ~10% haste so you're not worthless on bosses.
mint creek
i have 24 crit, 19 haste, 33 mastery. so getting rid of some haste wont hurt me on bosses right ?
round harbor
More cp = better
round harbor
Did u buy a piece just now?
tough lantern
Ye
civic palm
_>
round harbor
I mean
civic palm
...
round harbor
You'll need to raid
round harbor
Like it's mandatory
civic palm
lol
left storm
Yup
tough lantern
Oof
left storm
For the pieces
civic palm
Welcome to PVE, where you PVE.
tough lantern
Going to go kms now
civic palm
Just do Normal you fucking weirdo.
left storm
That PvP chest is sexy though
round harbor
Heroic is always puggable like week 2
civic palm
Depends but yeah.
tough lantern
Prob going to pug heroic but my guild raid team is dead
round harbor
Maybe not like jaina, but at least half the raid
tough lantern
Think just about everyone is unsubbed
round harbor
Yeah
tough lantern
The new 2 rows of azerite is that going to be raid only?
civic palm
No, new gear only.
jolly trout
The Treacherous Covenant Trait from the Raid looks really good for Dungeons also kinda interesting if the Azerite Gear from the Raid will be really good
vestal wren
its good but the question is is it better then eb/ss
tough lantern
Hmm ๐ค Ye I guess I am raiding then fml
rigid sonnet
how do I wanna be using toxic blade? try to pool energy and build combo points before applying it? or does it not really matter and I should just use it on target I'll stick to on cd?
civic palm
Smash it so long you get to use the entire duration.
mint creek
i saved 800 titan residium for next tier, should i keep saving till i can buy a specific piece or just hit random one since most of them have SS in them ?
rigid sonnet
aait
tough lantern
Need to pool some energy before you use it
obsidian sierra
Getting more randoms is more valuable imo than wait for 1 specific
But btw you want ss, but you want eb if you go m+ on the same priority
round harbor
By the time u can afford a specific one progression will be over or you will be swimming in azerite. Random 415 you will likely get week 2 of raid
primal gazelle
cant even get 40% crit on ptr lmao
tough lantern
How much is the random 415
vestal wren
noone will ever buy a specific
civic palm
Lunatics...
obsidian sierra
So you can gamble 4 random or get 1 save
civic palm
You might end up rolling specifics WAY LATER in the expansion.
But right now... madness.
mint creek
EB u mean fan knives trait ?