#assassination | Ravenholdt | Page 3230

obsidian sierra Jan 11, 2019, 5:06 PM

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After that spread raptures

outer ruin Jan 11, 2019, 5:06 PM

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ok, so zero. uuf. ok thanks

obsidian sierra Jan 11, 2019, 5:07 PM

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I got 12 haste only and it works out well regarding energy reg

bleak spoke Jan 11, 2019, 5:07 PM

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the haste isn't a problem it's the no ss

outer ruin Jan 11, 2019, 5:07 PM

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I'm at 13% haste

bleak spoke Jan 11, 2019, 5:07 PM

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you could probably get away with a lot less haste than that in cleave

outer ruin Jan 11, 2019, 5:07 PM

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Yeah sadly I'm only 6 days /played on this character, recent main swap, so access to SS is highly limited

obsidian sierra Jan 11, 2019, 5:07 PM

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Yeah you still get 4 cps with 4 garrote

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Spend 4 cp crimson

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Them spread raptures

bleak spoke Jan 11, 2019, 5:08 PM

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should probably be garrote garrote garrote fok ctemp

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cuz that last garrote takes very energy

outer ruin Jan 11, 2019, 5:08 PM

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aight, that's huge thanks

bleak spoke Jan 11, 2019, 5:08 PM

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you'll probably sit there pooling for about 2 hours

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after 4th garrote

obsidian sierra Jan 11, 2019, 5:09 PM

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I always spread 4 garrotes it works dont know

outer ruin Jan 11, 2019, 5:09 PM

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Now how to figure out an accessable hotkey for CT >_>

obsidian sierra Jan 11, 2019, 5:09 PM

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😂

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I got strg f but such stuff is on you

bleak spoke Jan 11, 2019, 5:10 PM

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it's gonna feel really shit when you first use ctemp but after a while not having it makes your rotation feel so empty

obsidian sierra Jan 11, 2019, 5:10 PM

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Yep

outer ruin Jan 11, 2019, 5:10 PM

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with x2 scent of blood, my rotation is RupturexInfinite, so "empty" isn't really an issue

obsidian sierra Jan 11, 2019, 5:10 PM

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I struggled with it the first day but after it was fine

bleak spoke Jan 11, 2019, 5:11 PM

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you should start envenoming after you energy regen cap

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but with ctemp and 4+ targets you ctemp for more overall dmg from first hit

outer ruin Jan 11, 2019, 5:12 PM

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how few targets do you stop CT'ing at?

bleak spoke Jan 11, 2019, 5:12 PM

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you always maintain the dot on 2+

obsidian sierra Jan 11, 2019, 5:12 PM

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I rarely use env i not sure what kind of grps you meet in pugs but all pug grps i had pull min 2 grps

outer ruin Jan 11, 2019, 5:12 PM

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guide says 'cleave'

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but no target info

bleak spoke Jan 11, 2019, 5:12 PM

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but the first hit of ct is lots of dmg

obsidian sierra Jan 11, 2019, 5:12 PM

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Always need to reapply a dot somewhere

bleak spoke Jan 11, 2019, 5:12 PM

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might be the shrouded

outer ruin Jan 11, 2019, 5:12 PM

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ah ok. so it really is "anything but st"

bleak spoke Jan 11, 2019, 5:13 PM

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cuz after 3g, 5 cp ct lets you put out like 2-3 ruptures depending on luck before next ct

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and then another 3-4 ruptures before next ct

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but w/o ct all those cts were ruptures and a pack of 8 is ruptured fully by the time you normally do like 3rd ct

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idk, i'd try to get a shrouded piece, the idea of doin the rotation without any sounds horrendously bad

obsidian sierra Jan 11, 2019, 5:15 PM

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I never could play wo ss again

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Would feel so bad

lusty furnace Jan 11, 2019, 5:15 PM

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Anyone know if rogues are able to reset ghuun with dagger throw and vanish? Similar to hunters?

bleak spoke Jan 11, 2019, 5:15 PM

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next raid like every piece has SS 8D

outer ruin Jan 11, 2019, 5:15 PM

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Trust me, I'm watching videos and guides and noone even considers playing without it. I wish I had access

bleak spoke Jan 11, 2019, 5:15 PM

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go get 340 ones

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no joke

outer ruin Jan 11, 2019, 5:16 PM

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uuf

bleak spoke Jan 11, 2019, 5:16 PM

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run m0 shrine, freehold, atal

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lfr fetid, normal, heroic fetid etc

obsidian sierra Jan 11, 2019, 5:16 PM

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Yeah next tier the double class trait will be so nice so many possibilities

bleak spoke Jan 11, 2019, 5:16 PM

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i did it every week for likke a month

obsidian sierra Jan 11, 2019, 5:16 PM

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Will be rly cool

bleak spoke Jan 11, 2019, 5:17 PM

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i'm thinking 3 SS + whatever combination of treacherous covenant, sob or EB you can pick up

obsidian sierra Jan 11, 2019, 5:17 PM

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Yeah at least 2 eb is wanted for new affix i guess

outer ruin Jan 11, 2019, 5:17 PM

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yeah I did normal/heroic fetid. but I guess I didn't do lfr >_>

obsidian sierra Jan 11, 2019, 5:17 PM

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2 ss 2 eb 2 scent seems good for aoe and st

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Or 2/3 ss or eben and 1 scent

bleak spoke Jan 11, 2019, 5:18 PM

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i think i'd rather have more SS cuz even without infest indexing more into prio dmg is probably good

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not that SS is bad for cleave at all

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just that the exsang target always drops so fast

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with 3 ss

obsidian sierra Jan 11, 2019, 5:19 PM

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Yeah true but then u need replace itnwith scent coz need eb to keep up on aoe with other classes

bleak spoke Jan 11, 2019, 5:19 PM

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and then it gives you a good timer for when you vanish and SS again

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and garrote*

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tbh it feels like scent works against echoing blades

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cuz at some point you want to spam ct

obsidian sierra Jan 11, 2019, 5:20 PM

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You mean since scent wants long living targets and eb makes more burst

bleak spoke Jan 11, 2019, 5:21 PM

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like stuff rarely lives long enough for you to actually hit energy cap

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like 6-8 ruptures takes a long time

obsidian sierra Jan 11, 2019, 5:21 PM

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Ye true

bleak spoke Jan 11, 2019, 5:21 PM

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especially if you open with any of vend/vanish/exsang

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it just draws it out

obsidian sierra Jan 11, 2019, 5:22 PM

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Im still wondering if assa can keep up with other aoe specs , if traits are on point

bleak spoke Jan 11, 2019, 5:22 PM

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ehh, it seems alright to me

obsidian sierra Jan 11, 2019, 5:22 PM

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Like how much aoe dps is possible with 3 eb and 3ss for example compared with outlaw

bleak spoke Jan 11, 2019, 5:22 PM

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assa cleave does take longer to get out than say outlaw but at some point you do catch up

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like 40 or 50 seconds down the line

pastel vault Jan 11, 2019, 5:23 PM

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anyone else get deeper strat simming higher than vigor?

bleak spoke Jan 11, 2019, 5:23 PM

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err, maybe 35 to 40?

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wht

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gonna go sim deeper strat to check but big doubt O.o

obsidian sierra Jan 11, 2019, 5:23 PM

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Sometimes im pulling nowdays 50 already on big pulls as assa

pastel vault Jan 11, 2019, 5:23 PM

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I consistently get DS > vigor

obsidian sierra Jan 11, 2019, 5:23 PM

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With 2ss ans 1 eb

outer ruin Jan 11, 2019, 5:24 PM

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I have 5 ilvl higher as outlaw, because pirates > all, but I'm sin because persistent aoe slow was getting me significantly more M+ invites, and M+ > all

bleak spoke Jan 11, 2019, 5:25 PM

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crippling poison is gud

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on the other hand, if i had the ability/gear i'd much rather be outlaw this week

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nothing like slowing a pack that's already been stuck in sanguine

vagrant plinth Jan 11, 2019, 5:27 PM

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@outer ruin one of the conquest rewards has SS if you aren't caught up

bleak spoke Jan 11, 2019, 5:28 PM

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also one of the azerite pieces from warfront

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both of the warfronts actualy i think

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zandalari empire flavored azerite has shoulders? that are ss

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helmets don't exist

primal gazelle Jan 11, 2019, 5:29 PM

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outlaw is very strong with reaping

outer ruin Jan 11, 2019, 5:29 PM

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@vagrant plinth thank you! Totally forgot about that as an option

primal gazelle Jan 11, 2019, 5:30 PM

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a reaping pack will only last 15-20 secs most of the mobs have super low hp

bleak spoke Jan 11, 2019, 5:30 PM

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they might buff the hp

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given the clips of lolfelbarrage

primal gazelle Jan 11, 2019, 5:30 PM

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and most likely will spawn mid-pull and wont allow restealths, so outlaw will prob deal more damage

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since its more burst aoe and they dont need to restealth

bleak spoke Jan 11, 2019, 5:31 PM

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if you run with dh honestly don't see an advantage to piracy

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beyond what already are advantages

primal gazelle Jan 11, 2019, 5:32 PM

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watched flawless stream last night, he beat shakib on overall for every run

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fel barrage is more dps for the reaping packs, but the dh needs to hold the cd for it and loses usage of it over the course of the dungeon

bleak spoke Jan 11, 2019, 5:32 PM

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it's a 1 minute cd

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that's not

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a problem haha

primal gazelle Jan 11, 2019, 5:33 PM

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well if youre at 16%, and you pull a pack, you wouldnt be able to FB since it wont be up for reaping

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he was holding eye beams as well

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so he was losing on most packs prior to the reaping ones because hes holding cds

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and lost on overall by significant amount

bleak spoke Jan 11, 2019, 5:34 PM

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i mean at that point it's inconsequential to delay it by like 15-20s?

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like you can almost see it as utility

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on the other hand

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that means you have to find a dh with a brain to run with you

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which is very hard

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so maybe it might not be as good as it looks on streams 8D

primal gazelle Jan 11, 2019, 5:35 PM

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another major thing is that not all the reaping adds will come together, depending on their distance of when they were killed, they may come staggered one group at a time. Which sucks for eye beam/fel barrage builds

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and favors rogues

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with consistent aoe

bleak spoke Jan 11, 2019, 5:35 PM

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then that favors trail of ruin builds

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cuz you get dances every time they come along?

primal gazelle Jan 11, 2019, 5:36 PM

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yeah pretty much

bleak spoke Jan 11, 2019, 5:36 PM

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that situation actually favors assa

primal gazelle Jan 11, 2019, 5:36 PM

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but my point is, rogues will be competitive on reaping

bleak spoke Jan 11, 2019, 5:36 PM

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cuz you don't have that many flurries

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but you have as many ctemp as you want

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and you can keep up energy by dotting dying ones

primal gazelle Jan 11, 2019, 5:36 PM

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yea pretty much

bleak spoke Jan 11, 2019, 5:37 PM

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like if you have dying smallies to dot you can slam fok ct like a like button

blissful saddle Jan 11, 2019, 5:37 PM

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Rogue discord getting into the real debated.... which DHS talent I should take

primal gazelle Jan 11, 2019, 5:37 PM

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good groups will eventually learn the best spots to kill the adds, so all the reaping will spawn together

blissful saddle Jan 11, 2019, 5:37 PM

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Dh*

primal gazelle Jan 11, 2019, 5:37 PM

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there will be an optimal location to kill everything to prevent staggered mobs

bleak spoke Jan 11, 2019, 5:38 PM

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here's the real question, if i have a macro that's /cast eye beam /cast blade dance /cast chaos strike do you think i can hit 40k dps on a pack

blissful saddle Jan 11, 2019, 5:38 PM

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If you were a rogue you wouldnt hit 5 k

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Because well

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That's dh question

bleak spoke Jan 11, 2019, 5:38 PM

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you saw through the trick question 4head

blissful saddle Jan 11, 2019, 5:38 PM

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Nope

primal gazelle Jan 11, 2019, 5:39 PM

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the restealth thing is definitely annoying tho

blissful saddle Jan 11, 2019, 5:39 PM

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Im a blank piece of construction paper

primal gazelle Jan 11, 2019, 5:39 PM

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literally makes my SS useless on reaping unless the group is really coordinated and cares about your restealth

bleak spoke Jan 11, 2019, 5:39 PM

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well it's like

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useless to begin with

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wtf is gonna last whole garrotes

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gonna be like tidesage initiates in shrine

primal gazelle Jan 11, 2019, 5:39 PM

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well its mainly for the energy regen tbh to spam more fok 😛

bleak spoke Jan 11, 2019, 5:40 PM

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i guess but better just to put it on actual packs you're fighting probably

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cuz the danger of the affix is basically mobs casting not nice stuff on you while a reaping goes off

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like imagining someone facepulling the triple flowers in underrot during one

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big yikes

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That being said, shadowmeld’s looking better and better 😦

primal gazelle Jan 11, 2019, 5:44 PM

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way easier to find keys as horde tho

bleak spoke Jan 11, 2019, 5:45 PM

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would be cool if there was some tier set that would let you do something like use alliance faction racials

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would fit themtically with the raid too kinda

lusty furnace Jan 11, 2019, 6:13 PM

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Can rogues reset ghuun prepull with vanish?

cobalt gyro Jan 11, 2019, 6:37 PM

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trying to step my game up a bit more - should i be always trying to refresh non-exsang/subt/ss'd dots at the pandemic range, or should I refresh it there once, let it tick out, re-apply as it falls, refresh at pandemic, etc

red lynx Jan 11, 2019, 6:38 PM

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No reason not to refresh in pandemic. unless it's an exsang dot i dont see any reason for it to fall off.

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or if it's empowered

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by night staler or subterfuge

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those should fall off i believe

cobalt gyro Jan 11, 2019, 6:39 PM

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so what am i gaining by always refreshing it within that range, then? I thought the gain was supposed to be "more time to cast other things"

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but if i'm always refreshing in that range, that's not true?

red lynx Jan 11, 2019, 6:40 PM

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If you're refreshing in that range then the remaining time is added onto it, this means you dont lose any possible ticks. in the time that it has fallen of and isn't in the target it could have ticked another time. also if you place a stronger dot (e.g. subterfuge garrote) on top of an un empowered garrote at 5.4 seconds then you get an extra 5.4 seconds of the empowered one.

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i hope those sentences make sense i'm quite tired lol.

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it's the combination of not losing any potential ticks for time when your dot isn't on the target and getting longer empowered dots

cobalt gyro Jan 11, 2019, 6:43 PM

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I guess i didn't think of the loss of ticks as a thing

civic palm Jan 11, 2019, 7:26 PM

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I can expound on the refreshing thing more if needed.

sturdy python Jan 11, 2019, 7:27 PM

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Please do

red lynx Jan 11, 2019, 7:27 PM

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I have a totally unrelated question. Is the amount of energy that rupture gives back when an afflicted enemy dies increased by haste?

nimble tartan Jan 11, 2019, 7:28 PM

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pandemic is a trap i refresh whenever i want whenever its good for ME

civic palm Jan 11, 2019, 7:28 PM

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Nope. Venomous Wounds refreshed based on DURATION.

red lynx Jan 11, 2019, 7:28 PM

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i think just as long as it's within the pandemic window but before it falls of it doesn't make a huge difference

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Thank you!

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so in that case how much energy is it for a full duration rupture

hollow stone Jan 11, 2019, 7:32 PM

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If sin was gcd locked, then letting them fall and reapplying instantly after falling would work out to more dps due to optimizing gcds. Because we're not gcd locked, refreshing in pandemic is always ideal (other than emp dots, of course)

civic palm Jan 11, 2019, 7:33 PM

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Yeah, anywhere inside Pandemic is fine. You're not gaining damage due to your refreshing mannerisms (as there is no stat snapshotting/etc.) you're just making it less of a hassle while you do other things like managing your rotation or dealing with encounter mechanics.

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I do not know the scaling of the VW NRG return.

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as of;

Patch 4.0.1

I just tested to see how much energy you get back if the enemy dies with your rupture on... I got about 78 energy back when I used a 5CP rupture (unglyped, so 16 seconds) on a mob that was almost dead, so I'm guessing that you get up to 16 energy per CP back or basically 1 energy per .2 seconds left on the duration of your rupture.

The obvious issue here is that you are trading your CURRENT CP for ENERGY and if you are moving to something else to DPS your CP leads to more DPS faster.

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So while it seems cool to have full NRG, if you are not using that NRG to deal DPS it's a loss both in obvious DMG from abilities, but from NRG generation from DoTs triggering Venomous Wounds.

primal gazelle Jan 11, 2019, 7:37 PM

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what if youre doing it to gain energy back to spam more FOK

civic palm Jan 11, 2019, 7:37 PM

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Exactly.

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The problem comes from # of targets + duration of targets.

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IIRC the formula for the NRG return from VW from Rupture being on a dead mob might have changed, but it still gives way more than the cost of casting Rupture (outside of the CP used).

primal gazelle Jan 11, 2019, 7:38 PM

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a 5 cp rupture on a 5% hp add usually gives me a full energy bar back, or significant amount

midnight beacon Jan 11, 2019, 7:38 PM

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I'm trying out Assassination for the first time in awhile. Are there recommended traits to go for like in Outlaw, or do I just sim and see what's best?

red lynx Jan 11, 2019, 7:39 PM

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Guide in the pins section has a bit on azerite traits

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i think it's still up to date?

civic palm Jan 11, 2019, 7:41 PM

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Probably. There's an #announcements post with the traits from raid/dungeon items but no recommendations. HeroDamage has the numbers run for the new traits as well but those are subject to change come changes from Blizzards' side.

midnight beacon Jan 11, 2019, 7:44 PM

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The guide gives several suggestions for useful traits. I was just wondering if there were specific traits that are considered essential. I'll look more into it, thanks!

hollow stone Jan 11, 2019, 7:46 PM

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There's no "best trait" in every situation. The ones you generally want to keep an eye out for are: ss, eb, sob, dd. But yes, simming is best @midnight beacon

civic palm Jan 11, 2019, 7:46 PM

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The Pins also have the preliminary numbers done and there are clear, general winners.

hollow stone Jan 11, 2019, 7:49 PM

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Btw @civic palm thanks for sharing your research. It was helpful for planning ^_^

civic palm Jan 11, 2019, 7:50 PM

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IMO this is just general knowledge, it's just not discussed because it's entirely too variable to apply practically anywhere.

hollow stone Jan 11, 2019, 7:51 PM

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Especially since, knowing blizz, we'll have retuning either before or after first week of mythic raiding

civic palm Jan 11, 2019, 7:52 PM

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In the case of traits probably not.

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Unless there are changes made day of raid release that breaks the balance that is there atm.

hollow stone Jan 11, 2019, 7:53 PM

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One can hope but given the start of bfa, im hesitant to believe blizz did enough work during beta lol

civic palm Jan 11, 2019, 7:53 PM

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Given the start of BFA the traits were clearly not balanced.

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No numbers showed that balance.

hollow stone Jan 11, 2019, 7:53 PM

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Yea, and they have def done a better job since

civic palm Jan 11, 2019, 7:53 PM

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Current numbers show the traits (for Rogues), being balanced.

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There's not really any encounters in the raid where Echoing Blades becomes broken, or that Nothing Personal somehow is better than before.

hollow stone Jan 11, 2019, 7:54 PM

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Probably just my ptsd of having a bank full of az gear talking :p

civic palm Jan 11, 2019, 7:55 PM

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All that old gear is junk come the 22nd anyway considering the waterfall of azerite gear from the raid, will see though, nothing wrong with holding onto things.

spice surge Jan 11, 2019, 7:55 PM

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I mean Nothing personal and 3x ss could be a thing if you need heavy burst

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But i really doubt it

hollow stone Jan 11, 2019, 7:55 PM

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No. Ive gotten rid of most now, but you guys remember the beginning of bfa

civic palm Jan 11, 2019, 7:55 PM

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Of course, things are [thankfully] different now.

hollow stone Jan 11, 2019, 7:55 PM

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Had like 20+ pieces of az sitting in bank "just in case"

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Yea no kidding

civic palm Jan 11, 2019, 7:56 PM

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and yeah 1-2 SS will have value in fights like Champions (?) where there are multiple medium/high health targets.

hollow stone Jan 11, 2019, 8:16 PM

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I think 1 ss will be mandatory for me just for the qol it gives

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Im sure a lot agree with the mentality

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And its quite accessible this tier

midnight beacon Jan 11, 2019, 8:21 PM

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Yeah, I saved up a ton of azerite gear at the start of the expansion, and lukcily a bunch of my pieces have it lol

mental quail Jan 11, 2019, 8:29 PM

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Anyone elses hearthstone and flight whistle taking you out of stealth now?

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i dont see a note in the hotfixes

robust thorn Jan 11, 2019, 8:36 PM

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If I'm new, and getting into Rogue for the first time, is Assassination a good place to start?

civic palm Jan 11, 2019, 8:37 PM

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Yep.

mental quail Jan 11, 2019, 8:40 PM

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oh i think its subterfuge that does it

lusty saddle Jan 11, 2019, 8:40 PM

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any reasons why i cant que for HC island expedidtions on my rogue but can on my other 120 chars? all are 380 il

primal gazelle Jan 11, 2019, 8:42 PM

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did you select a rol

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role

lusty saddle Jan 11, 2019, 8:43 PM

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can only choose normal hc mythic

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for some reason it worked now after 30 min trying -_-

civic palm Jan 11, 2019, 8:45 PM

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@mental quail Correct, Subterfuge allows some casting shenanigans in stealth.

red lynx Jan 11, 2019, 8:46 PM

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Okay i have a question. What parts of the "Echoing Blades" Trait stacks? only the fan of knife increased damage or does the echo damage also stack?

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I assume that the number of echo's do not stack

civic palm Jan 11, 2019, 8:47 PM

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The number of targets does not, historically damage components have stacked.

red lynx Jan 11, 2019, 8:47 PM

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Cool ty

hushed maple Jan 11, 2019, 8:56 PM

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Hey guys why is the damn darkmoondecks siming so high!?!?

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it deals 60k out of a 1M combat

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atleast for me

civic palm Jan 11, 2019, 8:57 PM

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Good proc rate, good enough damage, has AGI on it.

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Procs on everything as well.

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No mystery.

hushed maple Jan 11, 2019, 8:57 PM

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isnt the alliance world boss thing better?

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the Mastery/Agi gain?

civic palm Jan 11, 2019, 8:57 PM

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Many things are better at high enough item level.

hushed maple Jan 11, 2019, 8:57 PM

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mine is 375

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but still sims less than Fathoms

civic palm Jan 11, 2019, 8:58 PM

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By over 1%?

hushed maple Jan 11, 2019, 8:58 PM

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no .5

civic palm Jan 11, 2019, 8:58 PM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

hushed maple Jan 11, 2019, 8:58 PM

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no sorry .3 actually

civic palm Jan 11, 2019, 8:58 PM

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Double shrug.

hushed maple Jan 11, 2019, 8:59 PM

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When should I use dooms wake actually?

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with Vendetta?

civic palm Jan 11, 2019, 9:00 PM

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With vendetta.

hushed maple Jan 11, 2019, 9:00 PM

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nais

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So EZ Macro

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strange

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/cast Vendetta
/use Dooms Wake doesnt work

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for some reason

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now it does

modest garnet Jan 11, 2019, 9:08 PM

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Gotta do /use 13 /use 14

hushed maple Jan 11, 2019, 9:08 PM

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lel first one didnt work second time it works

modest garnet Jan 11, 2019, 9:08 PM

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Numbers correspond with the trinket slots

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So any on use will go off

hushed maple Jan 11, 2019, 9:09 PM

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ui

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nice

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so if it is ijn the second slot its 14?

modest garnet Jan 11, 2019, 9:09 PM

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I macro both in so whichever it ends up in it works

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Typically you don't want 2 on use

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So it just takes out the guess work

hushed maple Jan 11, 2019, 9:09 PM

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yeah I have harlans dice and Dooms Wake

modest garnet Jan 11, 2019, 9:10 PM

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But yes bottom is 14 top 13 for trinket slots

hushed maple Jan 11, 2019, 9:14 PM

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is there a way, to DPS test on dummys WITH shroud usage?

leaden garden Jan 11, 2019, 9:19 PM

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Hey guys, reckon asa will be a solid specc for the upcoming raids and next season of m+? Trying to choose an alt

vestal wren Jan 11, 2019, 9:20 PM

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yes

leaden garden Jan 11, 2019, 9:20 PM

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Thank you @vestal wren

hushed maple Jan 11, 2019, 9:20 PM

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whats reckon?

leaden garden Jan 11, 2019, 9:21 PM

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it means "to count with" kinda

vestal wren Jan 11, 2019, 9:21 PM

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retcon means adjusting sth to fit a changed e.g. storryline while maintaining the original as good as possibe

civic palm Jan 11, 2019, 9:21 PM

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"be of the opinion" kinda thing

hushed maple Jan 11, 2019, 9:21 PM

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ah ok

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shitty word

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lul

civic palm Jan 11, 2019, 9:21 PM

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American colloquialism I reckon.

dark crag Jan 11, 2019, 9:22 PM

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Retcon fuu

vestal wren Jan 11, 2019, 9:22 PM

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oh ye, i meant that

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my bad

civic palm Jan 11, 2019, 9:22 PM

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uhhuh

dark crag Jan 11, 2019, 9:22 PM

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Reckon is just count on

leaden garden Jan 11, 2019, 9:23 PM

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yes

strange python Jan 11, 2019, 9:44 PM

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When you sim your character, do you select "BFA BETA" or do you select patchwerk 5 mins? and for M+ you select 5 bosses 1 min? thank s

fringe narwhal Jan 11, 2019, 9:45 PM

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there is no set way to sim m+ that is reliable really

strange python Jan 11, 2019, 9:45 PM

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so how do i do an opener with this traits? x3 garrote on targets and then rupture? or i garrote till 5 cp and then rupture, then i spam fok?

rough agate Jan 11, 2019, 9:54 PM

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with shrouded suffocation you will get 5 cps from 3x garrotes

strange python Jan 11, 2019, 9:54 PM

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i only have 2 traits of SS, i ment when i do the opener, do i SS till 5 combo and then rupture or i put SS on 3 targets even if i cap cp and then use rupture?

rough agate Jan 11, 2019, 9:55 PM

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so garrote 3x rupture fok spam ti apply more ruptures

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3 even after cap

strange python Jan 11, 2019, 9:55 PM

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and actually wih my current gear i have only x1 trait, but i have a 375 with SS but i dont wanna replace my EB one tho..

plain jacinth Jan 11, 2019, 10:19 PM

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Pretty sure SS will generally be better than EB for most dungeons if you choosing between the 2. That could likely change due to the new reaping affix though

nimble tartan Jan 11, 2019, 10:23 PM

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even rn 2 eb is HOT

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i use 2 eb 1 ss its smooth like buttah

abstract heath Jan 11, 2019, 10:24 PM

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What are people's opinions on CT or PB for 10s?

nimble tartan Jan 11, 2019, 10:24 PM

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me ct

quick echo Jan 11, 2019, 10:24 PM

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!ct

prisma monolithBOT Jan 11, 2019, 10:24 PM

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There is no specific week or affix that makes one or the other more viable.
CT vs PB is mainly down to your group, the dungeon itself and your pull sizes, with PB naturally having an edge in boss fights.
It's mainly the combination of affixes and dungeons that favour one or the other. High Tyr KR/Temple favour PB in general, due to low pulls and harder bosses.
In terms of Exsang vs TB; Exsang wins since it works well with SS traits and it's only 1 global on your priority target for some burst damage and extra energy.
TB usually locks you to that target to gain the most out of it.

abstract heath Jan 11, 2019, 10:25 PM

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Thank you

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I'll give it a try

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And hidden blades is never a viable option?

bleak spoke Jan 11, 2019, 10:27 PM

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hidden blades is counterproductive to how we want to play

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even though the bot manages to make it work

rotund kelp Jan 11, 2019, 10:44 PM

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anyone know of a good W.A set up? there is quite a few on wagoo

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not sure who to trust lol

solid nova Jan 11, 2019, 10:45 PM

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Personal preference really but

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!wa

prisma monolithBOT Jan 11, 2019, 10:45 PM

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Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

solid nova Jan 11, 2019, 10:45 PM

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These are all decent

rotund kelp Jan 11, 2019, 10:46 PM

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oh cool thank you didnt realise there was a command!

high charm Jan 11, 2019, 10:56 PM

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You guys should try keys on ptr its fun even though it will take ages to get that gear

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Doing 100k dps on first 6 pull with lust in atal on the left by the time stuff starts dying 3xSS and 2Eb and 1 blightborne to mix in some more crit lol

solid nova Jan 11, 2019, 10:58 PM

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@rotund kelp yeah if you type !help moroes will dm you a list of all the commands available FeelsOKMan

high charm Jan 11, 2019, 10:59 PM

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Had 31.7k overall so satisfying

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Tried outlaw in underrot just to mix it up and had 40.6k overall lol

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Although outlaw pads reaping mobs hard

vast forum Jan 11, 2019, 11:30 PM

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killing reaping mobs isn't padding

fringe narwhal Jan 11, 2019, 11:31 PM

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especially if it allows you to kill a boss or big add faster

modest garnet Jan 12, 2019, 12:09 AM

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Murmur at what ilvl?

high charm Jan 12, 2019, 12:09 AM

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415 of course, all the gear you could want is on the vendor in the great seal on ptr

latent gazelle Jan 12, 2019, 12:19 AM

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is shrine a good place to go CT?

ebon tapir Jan 12, 2019, 12:21 AM

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obviously sims and stat weights give me an answer but I'm curious if theres a point where I have TOO much Haste? I'm at 21% rn and it only just started giving less dps than mastery.

open forum Jan 12, 2019, 12:24 AM

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I have a quick questions about azerite traits for M+. Which traits are here to choose?

strange python Jan 12, 2019, 12:27 AM

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With echoing blades, how many targets should fan be used instead of mutilate?

strange python Jan 12, 2019, 1:00 AM

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always 3+

high charm Jan 12, 2019, 2:04 AM

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2

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at least when i edited apl, with 1 EB using fok instead of mutilate on 2 targets was 1k overall dps increase

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your priority target goes down a bunch though ofc

strange python Jan 12, 2019, 2:06 AM

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gotcha, ty ty

safe matrix Jan 12, 2019, 2:40 AM

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@high charm toss that into #tc-research maybe koji/myst can look into it

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then it can be added to the apl

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thas what the channel is for

desert vault Jan 12, 2019, 2:41 AM

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are there any sims for the trinkets in next raid?

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none of them seem super great, the crit one is ok I suppose and there is a nice one for aoe too

stone fable Jan 12, 2019, 2:53 AM

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soooooooooo for the SotS trinket, do you just pop it with vendetta, then on cd at 1 min?

safe matrix Jan 12, 2019, 2:53 AM

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📎 unknown.png

high charm Jan 12, 2019, 3:21 AM

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@safe matrix sure

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actually

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its already in the default APL i forgot

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actions.direct+=/fan_of_knives,if=variable.use_filler&azerite.echoing_blades.enabled&spell_targets.fan_of_knives>=2```

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maybe the guide/pins just havent been updated yet or something

shadow gyro Jan 12, 2019, 3:48 AM

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!stats

prisma monolithBOT Jan 12, 2019, 3:48 AM

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Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > mastery > vers >= haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.

formal sable Jan 12, 2019, 6:08 AM

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is EB good this week?

coarse knot Jan 12, 2019, 6:20 AM

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Depends on pulls

soft pond Jan 12, 2019, 10:14 AM

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opaque tree Jan 12, 2019, 10:15 AM

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no one is answering me in pvp tab so i thought i would try here, I know you don't recommend pvp talk so i apologize

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with mater poisoner is it worth it to use wound poison now, since we don't have deadly breww? I feel liek the damage from deadly poison outweighs the healing debuff, but i could be very wrong

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so basically, Wound vs Deadly

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😦

vestal wren Jan 12, 2019, 10:36 AM

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channels move a bit slower on weekend, you probably need to have some patience

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i sadly cant help you to much as i am not very active in pvp

worthy leaf Jan 12, 2019, 10:43 AM

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Is Impassive Visage or Resounding PRotection the best survival option?

dark crag Jan 12, 2019, 11:33 AM

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Protection always

lusty gale Jan 12, 2019, 12:20 PM

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hi i have question about this rotation with MA

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https://i.gyazo.com/907820ec66929b7befce0b1aec95f84e.png

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giving vendetta right after rupture feels kind of bad because of the nergy bar being ful at that point of time

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can i mutilate before doing vendetta or am i losing on dmg this way?

strange python Jan 12, 2019, 12:24 PM

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why would it be at full

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after you've just garroted + mutilated

terse rune Jan 12, 2019, 1:55 PM

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!stats

prisma monolithBOT Jan 12, 2019, 1:55 PM

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Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > mastery > vers >= haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.

lusty gale Jan 12, 2019, 2:05 PM

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@strange python i mean its almost full like 80 percent. ok but when u have long fight and u have combo points ready for rupture than i just mutilate, right?

red lynx Jan 12, 2019, 2:09 PM

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how many targets is it worth using crimson tempest on?

strange python Jan 12, 2019, 2:12 PM

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!stats

prisma monolithBOT Jan 12, 2019, 2:12 PM

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Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > mastery > vers >= haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.

fair blaze Jan 12, 2019, 3:11 PM

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If rapture's duration is going to end or you can't generate 1CP(from garrote for example) use on 4, instead 5

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Also on aoe situations when you are multi dotting you can also use raptures on 4

spice surge Jan 12, 2019, 3:28 PM

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Rupture doesnt do less damage if you spend less combo points

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It just lasts shorter (and is therefore less energy efficient)

manic stirrup Jan 12, 2019, 3:31 PM

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Is it true that in shroud, using any skill will break stealth? im asking form my tank, for example can he use the pally horse?

compact raven Jan 12, 2019, 3:39 PM

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@opaque tree the healing debuff is valuable if your in a team or people are focusing the target with you. However if you are alone DP is better as the added damage over a long fight will increase your chances of killing the target. (also depends on number of healers healing 2+ healers your screwed solo)

slow ridge Jan 12, 2019, 3:42 PM

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!stats

prisma monolithBOT Jan 12, 2019, 3:42 PM

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Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > mastery > vers >= haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.

compact raven Jan 12, 2019, 3:43 PM

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@manic stirrup Shroud breaks on any ability or combat action including things like eating food on mounting up that's why you have everyone mount up before you shroud in M+

modest garnet Jan 12, 2019, 5:03 PM

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Is there a shadowstep kick macro that will work on 1 push?

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Im trying to do it as a mouse over of the unit, but once I have it moused over and step I lose my target typically

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Maybe something like setfocus to mouseover target and kick focus?

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idk

muted ridge Jan 12, 2019, 7:36 PM

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I got 2 chests with same ilvl. One has Double Dose second has Shrouded Suffocation. Which one is better. Im keep getting different opinions in my Guild chat so i'd rather ask here.

civic palm Jan 12, 2019, 7:36 PM

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pins simself

sweet flame Jan 12, 2019, 7:37 PM

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sim it tbh

muted ridge Jan 12, 2019, 7:37 PM

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Alright. Thank you.

sweet flame Jan 12, 2019, 7:37 PM

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Personally, I'd opt for shrouded if you don't already have one of it.

signal sparrow Jan 12, 2019, 8:39 PM

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hello all i have a question regarding toxic blade most people say just use it on cooldown is that true for if your at 5 combo points or should i evis then use toxic blade?

spice surge Jan 12, 2019, 8:55 PM

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Yes even then. Use it on cooldown

ocean rampart Jan 12, 2019, 9:01 PM

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Hi! Got a question, is it still worth it to get the 395 ring from service medal vendor?

lethal heart Jan 12, 2019, 9:02 PM

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sim

glossy kestrel Jan 12, 2019, 9:15 PM

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rings stats are more important than item level. buy it if you need the stats but not for a 25lvl bump

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@signal sparrow plan toxic blade to be your 5th combo point or your first after an envenom, but yes, on CD. delaying it for 5sec loses 20% of its potency. (right? 25 sec cd? very short)

pliant nest Jan 12, 2019, 10:06 PM

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ct or pb for underrot this week?

spice surge Jan 12, 2019, 10:20 PM

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Its even better to use tb at 5 cp than to envenom and then tb

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Because 1 cp is essentially 20% of an envenom. A 30% buff is better than 20% of another one

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(disregarding the fact that you don't waste tb CD)

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Its obviously better to not overcap though

visual dagger Jan 12, 2019, 10:29 PM

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does shadowmeld function as a second vanish for dps purposes (i.e. master assasin reset, buffing garrotes, etc)?

civic palm Jan 12, 2019, 10:29 PM

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If you can restealth.

visual dagger Jan 12, 2019, 10:30 PM

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so you cant get master assassin buff or buff your garrote just by hitting shadowmeld?

civic palm Jan 12, 2019, 10:30 PM

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SS works

visual dagger Jan 12, 2019, 10:31 PM

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what is ss? sorry new to rogue, trying to pick a race haha

quiet horizon Jan 12, 2019, 10:31 PM

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running 2x ss + 1 eb vs 3x ss which pair is better?

safe matrix Jan 12, 2019, 10:33 PM

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no shadowmeld is not vanish

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it only grants access to stealth abilities

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and yeah you dont get MA

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but you get access to stealth abilities cast directly from shdowmeld

visual dagger Jan 12, 2019, 10:36 PM

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so would an opener with shrouded suffocation involve a shadowmeld at the end to reset the garrote buff?

civic palm Jan 12, 2019, 10:37 PM

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at the end yeah.

safe matrix Jan 12, 2019, 10:43 PM

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keep in mind it only gets the shrouded suffocation and not the subterfuge buff

woeful field Jan 12, 2019, 10:48 PM

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!wa

prisma monolithBOT Jan 12, 2019, 10:48 PM

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Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

bronze topaz Jan 13, 2019, 12:12 AM

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MA is purely used to buff Envenom?

dark crag Jan 13, 2019, 12:22 AM

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Yes

spice surge Jan 13, 2019, 12:22 AM

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Envenom crits during vendetta and tb hits really hard

karmic ingot Jan 13, 2019, 1:02 AM

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That’s an overly simplistic way to look at it.

ionic badger Jan 13, 2019, 1:02 AM

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any tips on how to increase my assa dps? no idea how some people reach 20k sim dps https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qZAc7UioiU4LH6kb4EsNab

Raidbots

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karmic ingot Jan 13, 2019, 1:03 AM

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You also get extra crit chance from mutilate which means extra combo points which increases the chance to get 3 envenoms in your toxic blade window instead of 2.

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@ionic badger sockets.

ionic badger Jan 13, 2019, 1:04 AM

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still i would need 12 sockets to even get close to 20k dps

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and maybe 2 ilvl more

karmic ingot Jan 13, 2019, 1:04 AM

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Your sim DPS is fucking meaningless anyway. Use top gear to find the best gear you have currently and then do stuff that has a chance to give you better gear.

ionic badger Jan 13, 2019, 1:04 AM

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that is top gear

karmic ingot Jan 13, 2019, 1:06 AM

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I know. The number doesn’t matter. The gear recommendations you get from it are what matter.

dark crag Jan 13, 2019, 1:06 AM

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Sockets, high tf trinkets make a huge difference

karmic ingot Jan 13, 2019, 1:06 AM

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You can’t do anything about the number but hope you get lucky with drops. So why worry about it?

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You can be strategic about how you spend your time and resources to optimize your chance to get upgrades though.

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That will mostly affect things like which M+ dungeons you run repeatedly and where you spend your bonus rolls.

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It also looks like you only simmed with Exsanguinate and subterfuge. You may be able to get better DPS out of toxic blade and possible master assassin.

ionic badger Jan 13, 2019, 1:11 AM

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simmed toxic blade before and it simmed worse with the ss trait on the chest

karmic ingot Jan 13, 2019, 1:11 AM

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Also, it looks like all of your gem recommendations were crit gems. Haste is typically better for single target for assassination.

ionic badger Jan 13, 2019, 1:11 AM

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trying ma now

gritty tulip Jan 13, 2019, 1:11 AM

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i got 17 dollars in my bank acct

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trying to decide whether or not to activate wow

karmic ingot Jan 13, 2019, 1:12 AM

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If your only good chest trait option is SS then MA won’t be useful to you.

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SS is pretty weak without subterfuge and MA is pretty weak without toxic blade.

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If I had $17 in my bank account I’d probably be spending my time learning how to manage my money better.

strange python Jan 13, 2019, 1:36 AM

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There was a list of weakauras somewhere on this discord but I can't find where it was. My weakauras all died for some reason so i have to find them again

violet sonnet Jan 13, 2019, 1:37 AM

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Is master poisoner viable anymore?

spice sorrel Jan 13, 2019, 1:37 AM

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Not currently

safe matrix Jan 13, 2019, 1:38 AM

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!wa @strange python

prisma monolithBOT Jan 13, 2019, 1:38 AM

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Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

strange python Jan 13, 2019, 1:39 AM

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YES!

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tysm

elder gulch Jan 13, 2019, 2:51 AM

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How many NPs would you want for ST in BoD?

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would the ideal set up be 1 SS, 2 NP , 3 dd?

safe matrix Jan 13, 2019, 2:57 AM

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whichever sims the highest akkoShrug

elder gulch Jan 13, 2019, 3:03 AM

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do you know what nothing personal does?

safe matrix Jan 13, 2019, 3:04 AM

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yep

elder gulch Jan 13, 2019, 3:05 AM

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does the 40 energy stack? or only the poison?

safe matrix Jan 13, 2019, 3:05 AM

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NP has most of its strength in the first stack

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no

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the energy does not stack

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only damage

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traits dont stack effects

elder gulch Jan 13, 2019, 3:05 AM

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ah okay then, that makes more sense

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thanks!

muted jacinth Jan 13, 2019, 3:19 AM

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sims telling me 3 ss 2 dd 1 np is best (outside of treacherous window) for st

dusty wigeon Jan 13, 2019, 3:46 AM

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Anybody know what the lw crafted 415 azerite helm is gonna be like? i know it has double doube but is it worth making it for 2 week?

primal gazelle Jan 13, 2019, 4:06 AM

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You mean the engineer helm?

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Lw is legs and boots

thorny basin Jan 13, 2019, 4:22 AM

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anyone know if the azerite traits that have higher proc chance against opposing faction will benefit in the upcoming raid?

empty crescent Jan 13, 2019, 4:30 AM

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is anyone starting to sim higher with mastery over haste?

muted jacinth Jan 13, 2019, 4:45 AM

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mastery is higher for me currently with array stacks up. otherwise its haste

empty crescent Jan 13, 2019, 4:47 AM

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mines higher without array

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so weird

muted jacinth Jan 13, 2019, 4:50 AM

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depends entirely on your current gear

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im at 1132 haste, 1013 crit, 824 mastery and 108 vers

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haste is 2.36, mastery 2.21

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thats no array

empty crescent Jan 13, 2019, 4:54 AM

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well i swapped my enchants and gems to mastery and sim a lot higher in dps almost 100 dps increase, but now its saying crit sims highest

finite acorn Jan 13, 2019, 5:15 AM

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is there anywhere yet what trinkets are good from new raid and what are not ?

sturdy python Jan 13, 2019, 5:18 AM

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Not for certain no, people are putting money on the one from mekatorque though

finite acorn Jan 13, 2019, 5:18 AM

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ok cheers its just guild asks to have somekind of bis list rdy for the gear so they know what players to pick to what encounters 😄

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gale probably staying bis with exs for 2nd slot

cobalt gyro Jan 13, 2019, 5:27 AM

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i had a poggers 50k opener

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https://i.imgur.com/5dJ8Kbr.png

Imgur

dull osprey Jan 13, 2019, 6:20 AM

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Are we still trying to keep one SS for the extra cp or not

stoic token Jan 13, 2019, 6:23 AM

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What are the 2 best PVP trinkets for assasination in arena
Would you ever choose Fathoms over a pvp trink?

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I already posted on pvp channel.. its kinda dead

supple hearth Jan 13, 2019, 6:45 AM

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Still best place to ask. x) answered in #pvp

steep vessel Jan 13, 2019, 7:27 AM

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Wait, you can use shadowmeld and garrote to gain the buff for garrote?!

tribal marlin Jan 13, 2019, 8:42 AM

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Yes but

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It doesn't allow you to enter stealth in raid encounter (neither on m+ boss, but it does on m+ trash) so that
you can't get subterfuge empower garrote
but you still gain the benefit of SS (additionnal damage and combo point)

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Basically Shadowmelded garrote will deal half the damage of a classic subterfuge garrote. It will still generate 3cp and have no CD (which is nice in cleave situation)

still ledge Jan 13, 2019, 10:23 AM

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Hey guys, quick question here about combo points. I'm new to rogue and I have to say that i'm loving it, but I'm not so sure about usage of rupture and envenom. Should I always go for 5 combo points or should I cast both of the spell as quick as possible seeing 4 combo points on my bar? I've seen some people saying that I have to use them at 4 points of more, is that correct?

neat moat Jan 13, 2019, 10:25 AM

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Yeap. U can use it on 4-5 cp

still ledge Jan 13, 2019, 10:27 AM

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Thanks man! Appreciated ❤

vast forum Jan 13, 2019, 11:15 AM

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@tribal marlin meld garrote will induce the 6 sec cd

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It's subterfuge that prevents the cd, and since you don't have subterfuge from meld, it just goes on cd

shy axle Jan 13, 2019, 11:22 AM

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mmochampion-guy in a thread says assa got nerfed by 6%, therefore it wont be "chosen" for BoD. Is that ture? I cant find anything about a 6% nerf

spice surge Jan 13, 2019, 11:23 AM

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There is no 6% nerf to assa no

shy axle Jan 13, 2019, 11:27 AM

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thanks

atomic willow Jan 13, 2019, 12:49 PM

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so with the season 1 gear not having the 5th azerite trait ring what's everyone's plan for tue.......spend your titan res on 3 random 385's that will all have the 5th ring or spend it on one 415?

spice surge Jan 13, 2019, 12:50 PM

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Depends on what you're doing, buying 385s is gonna be wasteful if you're gonna clear normal BoD right away anyway

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Buying random 415 of the slot youre least likely to get from mythic is probably the best move

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Also, its next tuesday, not this one

bleak spoke Jan 13, 2019, 1:01 PM

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will you be able to afford a random 415 tho

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how much will it be?

hollow talon Jan 13, 2019, 1:06 PM

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heyo guys quick question, just switched over to exsanguinate from toxic blade. do i refresh 4+ CP rupture and garrote (from vanish if poss w/ 1 SS trait) everytime before i use exsanguinate?

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so like before every exsg cast, make sure fresh rupture and garrote are on target?

spice surge Jan 13, 2019, 1:08 PM

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Its prob gonna be 9x current price as every tier of Azerite gives 3x as much when you DE it

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But yeah

vague patrol Jan 13, 2019, 1:10 PM

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hmm thats not too bad

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ill be over halfway to a piece if its only 1650

spice surge Jan 13, 2019, 1:10 PM

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Refresh 5cp rupture if rupture is below 20s and only refresh garrote if it's in pandemic @hollow talon

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And buying random pieces is massively better than buying specific anyway

hollow talon Jan 13, 2019, 1:12 PM

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so if garrote at like ~9 seconds, dont bother refresh before exsg

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ic

vague patrol Jan 13, 2019, 1:12 PM

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no

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you would refresh it there

hollow talon Jan 13, 2019, 1:12 PM

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isnt pandemic like 5.4 sec for garrote

spice surge Jan 13, 2019, 1:12 PM

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Only if it would give you the 5th cp for rupture

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Yes it is

vague patrol Jan 13, 2019, 1:13 PM

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you would exsang a garrote with 6 sec left?

spice surge Jan 13, 2019, 1:13 PM

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Exsang is for rupture mainly (outside of subterfuge/ss)

hollow talon Jan 13, 2019, 1:13 PM

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i mean 9s left on debuff

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not been running for 9s

spice surge Jan 13, 2019, 1:13 PM

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Show me a sim where it's benefitial to refresh garrote before exsang

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Because I've tried and it was never a gain

hollow talon Jan 13, 2019, 1:14 PM

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ic

spice surge Jan 13, 2019, 1:16 PM

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Ultimately the differences are minuscule as hell and it doesnt really matter

vague patrol Jan 13, 2019, 1:17 PM

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i guess if it's not empowered it doesn't

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why 20 sec on rupture

spice surge Jan 13, 2019, 1:21 PM

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It didnt really matter, 18,19,20,21 and 22 as a threshold simmed basicly the same

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Simc uses 22 by default, but 20 is generally easier to remember so its what i say

vague patrol Jan 13, 2019, 1:26 PM

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makes sense

tawny iris Jan 13, 2019, 2:14 PM

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in m+ when i use CT how many targets are minimum to be worth to use it?

vestal wren Jan 13, 2019, 2:17 PM

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2 or more

honest needle Jan 13, 2019, 2:30 PM

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is it worth spending titanium res on 385 random piece or save for the new 400+ gear

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right now i only have 1 385 helm with dd

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i was thinking about trying to get chest or shoulders

spice surge Jan 13, 2019, 2:31 PM

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Do you need the gear for pushing something this upcoming week?

honest needle Jan 13, 2019, 2:31 PM

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no

spice surge Jan 13, 2019, 2:31 PM

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Then there is no point, as you will replace it the second the raid comes out

honest needle Jan 13, 2019, 2:32 PM

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but i was told that they are going to raise the titanium res by so much that it wont matter if u spend them or not

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is that true ?

spice surge Jan 13, 2019, 2:32 PM

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Well you'll get like 9-10x as much disenchanting higher ilvl stuff yes

honest needle Jan 13, 2019, 2:32 PM

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i was told we are going to get like 5-10x the amount we get now

spice surge Jan 13, 2019, 2:32 PM

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But then you might aswell hold it and buy 385 after the raid comes out

honest needle Jan 13, 2019, 2:32 PM

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so u think its worth trying to get a random 385 piece i have over 380 residue

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so i was thinking about trying to get soemthing for pushing keys

spice surge Jan 13, 2019, 2:33 PM

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There is no point buying it now unless you're pushing before the raid comes out

honest needle Jan 13, 2019, 2:33 PM

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ya tru

spice surge Jan 13, 2019, 2:33 PM

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Because 355 with 2 rings is gonna be better than 385 with 1 ring

honest needle Jan 13, 2019, 2:34 PM

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i just wasnt sure wat i should do i appreciate the info

kindred wind Jan 13, 2019, 2:54 PM

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Question boys: assuming SS, do you all put ruptures up before CT or do you CT immediately after your third rupture?

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This is for M+

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Garrot

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Damnit

hollow stone Jan 13, 2019, 2:54 PM

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Yea... m0 gear from s2 will be better than our current az cause that 2nd ring

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Hella value

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Gggct fok r fok r fok r

kindred wind Jan 13, 2019, 2:56 PM

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Okay, I’m doing that. Should I have a smudge of energy starvation on unlucky fok?

hollow stone Jan 13, 2019, 2:56 PM

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Probably. Depending on haste

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Just like a second or two before you get your rupts goin

kindred wind Jan 13, 2019, 2:57 PM

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Ya, I don’t prioritize haste (crit/mas)

hollow stone Jan 13, 2019, 2:57 PM

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Then yea. Theres a little lull but its not bad

kindred wind Jan 13, 2019, 2:57 PM

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If my group is killing the mobs before I even get to fully dot everything, should I just go PB until we do higher keys?

hollow stone Jan 13, 2019, 2:58 PM

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Depends on what you value. Id personally still run ct just to muscle memory that shit but pb is prob fine for lower keys in good aoe groups with small pulls

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Lots of variables tho :/

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I think most would agree that if we had to choose a cookie cutter m+ build (thankfully we dont) but would go ct over pb

kindred wind Jan 13, 2019, 3:00 PM

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I think that’s our prob, our pulls are too small

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Thank you by the way

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I’ll give it a go today

spice surge Jan 13, 2019, 3:01 PM

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!ct

prisma monolithBOT Jan 13, 2019, 3:01 PM

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There is no specific week or affix that makes one or the other more viable.
CT vs PB is mainly down to your group, the dungeon itself and your pull sizes, with PB naturally having an edge in boss fights.
It's mainly the combination of affixes and dungeons that favour one or the other. High Tyr KR/Temple favour PB in general, due to low pulls and harder bosses.
In terms of Exsang vs TB; Exsang wins since it works well with SS traits and it's only 1 global on your priority target for some burst damage and extra energy.
TB usually locks you to that target to gain the most out of it.

kindred wind Jan 13, 2019, 3:02 PM

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Beautiful, thank you!

hollow stone Jan 13, 2019, 3:03 PM

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Np. Good luck

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@spice surge what you goin for first for res? Or you gonna wait n see til after first heroic clear?

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Im leaning shoulders atm

spice surge Jan 13, 2019, 3:04 PM

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Not helm

hollow stone Jan 13, 2019, 3:04 PM

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Haha no kidding

spice surge Jan 13, 2019, 3:04 PM

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Shoulders if i think SS is overvalued by ptr people

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no wait, the opposite

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Chest if it is overvalued, shoulders if it isnt

hollow stone Jan 13, 2019, 3:05 PM

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Theres, i think, 3 good shoulders from res pool for either m+ or raiding so thats why im leaning them

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But obv speculation

ember forum Jan 13, 2019, 3:06 PM

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bro CT sucks balls now

spice surge Jan 13, 2019, 3:06 PM

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Now? 🤔

ember forum Jan 13, 2019, 3:06 PM

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@kindred wind if your group is killing mobs before you can even get your hands on them then just ignore them

spice surge Jan 13, 2019, 3:06 PM

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Its definitely gonna be default for m+ in season 2

ember forum Jan 13, 2019, 3:07 PM

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Focus on getting your triple garrote & ruptures on beefy boys

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Yeah anything above a 15 CT is going to be needed since they got loads of HP

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Its better then bomb, but doesnt make it good

spice surge Jan 13, 2019, 3:08 PM

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It is good though?

hollow stone Jan 13, 2019, 3:08 PM

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"Its the best option in the tier but its bad" huh?

ember forum Jan 13, 2019, 3:09 PM

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Its debateable if you want to run CT or Bomb, its constant damage but if you arent touching 16s + then dont worry about it

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Unless your not running with a DH / Frost DK etc

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If you have heavy AoErs in your group then CT is just a waste of 100 talent, but if all the AoE is sub par, or worse then CT is 100% the best option, mind you CP that you put into CT is debatable on weather you're losing damage since you arent putting those CP's into ruptures, its something to think about and test for yourself

spice surge Jan 13, 2019, 3:11 PM

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Well duh, you dont need to optimize your damage if you're not doing hard content, which is why (atleast i) assume people that are asking are doing that

ember forum Jan 13, 2019, 3:12 PM

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I think majority of the people asking about things, are either new rogues or trying to get into the bigger scene of the game IE Mythic Raids & Higher Stones

kindred wind Jan 13, 2019, 3:12 PM

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I’m the latter

ember forum Jan 13, 2019, 3:13 PM

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Unless its theory crafting, then the tin foil hats are on for all

kindred wind Jan 13, 2019, 3:13 PM

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We mostly do 12’s

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But I want to go higher

ember forum Jan 13, 2019, 3:13 PM

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what group do you run with @kindred wind

kindred wind Jan 13, 2019, 3:13 PM

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Hard to do with irl friends that only want to do their weekly 10+

ember forum Jan 13, 2019, 3:13 PM

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tell them weekly should be 15s

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for Residum

kindred wind Jan 13, 2019, 3:13 PM

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I try :/

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They’d rather go play league or over watch

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Depressing lol

ember forum Jan 13, 2019, 3:14 PM

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Overwatch

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ytho

vestal wren Jan 13, 2019, 3:14 PM

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well, ppl will come back with the new raid

brisk frost Jan 13, 2019, 3:15 PM

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m+'s are so shitty content on thbfa so its not even worth to run anything else than one atal dazar 10 per week

kindred wind Jan 13, 2019, 3:15 PM

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I think I’m going to start looking for groups in the m+ cord

ember forum Jan 13, 2019, 3:15 PM

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I Agree that the dungeons are no where near as fun as Legion's, which makes the M+ Grinding scene a lot more boring, but I wouldn't say its shitty content

hollow stone Jan 13, 2019, 3:16 PM

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Yea. Doing maw 8000 times was just so much fun

ember forum Jan 13, 2019, 3:16 PM

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Well Like

brisk frost Jan 13, 2019, 3:16 PM

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mm idk its just so depressing after legion

ember forum Jan 13, 2019, 3:16 PM

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if you played outlaw, and needed the ring in court, id happily go in there 1500 times to farm it out

kindred wind Jan 13, 2019, 3:16 PM

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@ember forum do you think that at the 12/13 range I should stick to PB if group aoe is good?

ember forum Jan 13, 2019, 3:16 PM

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all the dungeons were 10x better then fucking Tol Dagor

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Yeah I do

vestal wren Jan 13, 2019, 3:17 PM

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dungeons are designt with m+ in mind, legion dungeons where not so they should be more fun i guess?

kindred wind Jan 13, 2019, 3:17 PM

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Thanks

shy axle Jan 13, 2019, 3:17 PM

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BFA dungeons are just less forgiving, there are no "ah this trashpack is chillmode" anymore like in legion

ember forum Jan 13, 2019, 3:17 PM

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TBH this all changes with infested gone

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Going to be back to pulling 30% of the dungeon in 1 fat pull

spice surge Jan 13, 2019, 3:18 PM

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Tbh the main reason people think the legion dungeons were easier was because there was no incentive to run high keys at all, so most people were just doing low keys for most of the expac

ember forum Jan 13, 2019, 3:19 PM

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idk about that

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I loved running high keys in legion

spice surge Jan 13, 2019, 3:19 PM

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and each key level scaled up the difficulty less than in bfa as well

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atleast for the majority of legion

ember forum Jan 13, 2019, 3:20 PM

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Yeah I can agree on that, but someone who did a shit ton of legion M+ (6k io) I have to agree on the forgiving aspect that @shy axle had mentioned

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You never had that constant chip on your shoulder about infested, or 70% of the pack being able to 1 shot you

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Also the bosses in general just destory your will to play in BFA

high siren Jan 13, 2019, 3:24 PM

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is there somewhere I can already see mm+ azerite gear with the double ring updated ?

hollow stone Jan 13, 2019, 3:25 PM

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Check announcements @high siren

high siren Jan 13, 2019, 3:27 PM

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thanks !!

sonic slate Jan 13, 2019, 3:41 PM

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hello there can i ask something how much energy should i pool before toxic blade approximately and if there is any trick around toxic i searched around didnt get much out

solid nova Jan 13, 2019, 3:42 PM

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Use it on CD

sonic slate Jan 13, 2019, 3:46 PM

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and if i have like no value out of it?

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like sometimes i do only 2 envenoms or even one because i have to refresh rupture

solid nova Jan 13, 2019, 3:49 PM

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You should be planning a head to avoid that happening

sonic slate Jan 13, 2019, 3:55 PM

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so you dont use it on cd i got it ty

vagrant plinth Jan 13, 2019, 3:56 PM

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if toxic blade is about to come up, you should have already put yourself in a position to not need to refresh your rupture during it's duration

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is what Richard is saying

solid nova Jan 13, 2019, 4:11 PM

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??

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No, you use it on CD lol

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And preplan to enable you to do so

hollow stone Jan 13, 2019, 4:11 PM

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Yea, straight up. On cd

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We arent gcd locked. Just plan n youre fine

solid nova Jan 13, 2019, 4:12 PM

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Idk how you interpret that as not on CD

mystic fractal Jan 13, 2019, 4:15 PM

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I think what he means is the phrase "use it on CD" is generally taken to mean "no planning required just smash it when it is off cooldown"

spice surge Jan 13, 2019, 4:24 PM

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Which is the best course of action, even if you dont plan properly

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And refreshing rupture during tb is still vastly better than letting it drop of or cutting it off by refreshing prior to pandemic

fading wigeon Jan 13, 2019, 4:48 PM

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Which trinket would you guys use on Zul? Fenetic or galecaller

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I have simmed. Both are so close. Just wanted to see what people think based on that specific fight.

brisk frost Jan 13, 2019, 5:04 PM

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if they're close, i'd pick fenetic

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gc is so awkward to use, especially on p3 u wont get any help from gc

fading wigeon Jan 13, 2019, 5:06 PM

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@brisk frost thanks. That makes perfect sense

ember pulsar Jan 13, 2019, 5:09 PM

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Quick question about sin

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Should I apply rupture and Garrote before I use vendetta?

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Or should I open up with Vendetta into Garrote --> Rupture

strange python Jan 13, 2019, 5:11 PM

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Read the pins.

shy axle Jan 13, 2019, 5:43 PM

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did someone list all the azerit combinations from the new raid already? i already saw the calculations a few comments above, but just wondering

solid nova Jan 13, 2019, 5:44 PM

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#announcements

shy axle Jan 13, 2019, 5:45 PM

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neat thanks mate

final stone Jan 13, 2019, 6:15 PM

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So ss is almost on like ever piece in BoD

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How much is it for a pieces again when new raid comes out

spice surge Jan 13, 2019, 7:01 PM

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The pieces you buy only contain dungeon azerite

fervent beacon Jan 13, 2019, 7:11 PM

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Doing 8TD+ and don't have my daggers in sin spec

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PepeLmfaoooo

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Fok build i guess for the run

spice surge Jan 13, 2019, 7:12 PM

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Run out and swap

light rampart Jan 13, 2019, 7:21 PM

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For the sake of beating this one person who has been getting close to beating me on dps in my guild. How do you guys handle taloc mythic elevator phase

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I’ve had some days putting bleeds on taloc himself for the extra energy and some days I feel like I need to use vendetta to maybe have it again in phase 3

spice surge Jan 13, 2019, 7:22 PM

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Get other dps to not attack the adds so you get less downtime

strange python Jan 13, 2019, 7:38 PM

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Just hammer the adds, and spread poisons on taloc during add downtime

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the way i do it

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I dont use Vendetta during elevator, cause its such a high risk of it being a wasted cooldown

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you only get to use it twice during the fight

buoyant coyote Jan 13, 2019, 7:57 PM

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bois

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i need suggestions

sturdy python Jan 13, 2019, 7:59 PM

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pins simself

buoyant coyote Jan 13, 2019, 7:59 PM

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so on mythrax mythic I'm getting ruin 100000% of the time , any way i can use a different opener?

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Feels like im losing dps

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and rushing it :/

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i did try sub but eh...not that great on sub

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Rank says outlaw but im maining Sin atm

spice surge Jan 13, 2019, 8:01 PM

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Cloak it of and/or dont be where the boss spawns

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Sin is better than outlaw on that fight, except for padding on the small adds

sturdy python Jan 13, 2019, 8:01 PM

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Could pre cloak it too I bet

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If youre really getting it that often

spice surge Jan 13, 2019, 8:02 PM

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Prob, it prioritizes people to the north (where the boss spawns)

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So if you shadowstep right at the start you have a really high chance to get it

sturdy python Jan 13, 2019, 8:02 PM

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Such a weird way for a mechanic to work

buoyant coyote Jan 13, 2019, 8:03 PM

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I mean im getting it 100% of the time

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And im running with tank to kick so saving my cloak for that incase i can't get back into the grp

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Im not 100% sure i will have my cloak back by that time

spice surge Jan 13, 2019, 8:04 PM

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As i said, stop shadowsteping him on pull and you'll get it less

buoyant coyote Jan 13, 2019, 8:04 PM

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Hmm im not shadowstepping just behind behinde him pepehands

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Ima try be less north

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aight thanks @spice surge

buoyant coyote Jan 13, 2019, 8:21 PM

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hmm not working exacly

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Ima give a try and pre-cloak

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okay that worked

placid pollen Jan 13, 2019, 8:46 PM

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Might seem like a stupid question but I'm returning to WoW from Cata really, and I'm a bit unsure how DoTs refreshing works now. It's no longer a snapshot correct? It adds w/e damage remains and its duration to the next applied DoTs (in this case rupture).

sturdy python Jan 13, 2019, 8:47 PM

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Its dynamic. If a trinket procs while rupture is already on the target the rest of the ticks are affected

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Vice versa the same if a trinket or proc goes off

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Only time that isnt true is with Exsang. It snapshots haste for the bleeds on the target. Also, the level 30 talents but those are obvious (Sub has a snapshot mechanic also I believe)

dusty wigeon Jan 13, 2019, 8:51 PM

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Worth it to go engi / lw for the 415 crafted gear + azerite helm?

spice surge Jan 13, 2019, 8:52 PM

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If you already got them sure, if you're gonna level them from scratch dont do engi

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Helm from first mythic boss is insane

dusty wigeon Jan 13, 2019, 8:52 PM

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lw cost me 20k so wasnt rlly a problem

spice surge Jan 13, 2019, 8:52 PM

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And JC is far better than either of them anyway

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415 with socket > 415 without socket

dusty wigeon Jan 13, 2019, 8:52 PM

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well im currently lw / alch

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so not worth to go engi since the helm is from first boss?

sturdy python Jan 13, 2019, 8:56 PM

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Assuming youre talking about assassination probably not

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But depends how quickly youd expect to get a 415 helm I guess

lost horizon Jan 13, 2019, 9:06 PM

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@sturdy python NS and subterfuge both snapshot as well

sturdy python Jan 13, 2019, 9:06 PM

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Yeah I mentioned level 30 talents

lost horizon Jan 13, 2019, 9:06 PM

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Probably worth putting emphasis on subterfuge for a newbie

placid pollen Jan 13, 2019, 9:20 PM

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Ty for the explanation. Another question then, a lot of the time I end with 4 cp with a rupture <6s. Is it worth it in that case to mutilate (and waste 1 cp) to refresh rupture with 5 cp instead of 4?

sturdy python Jan 13, 2019, 9:22 PM

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No finish at 4+

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Can cast garrote for the 5th if it is time to refresh though

placid pollen Jan 13, 2019, 9:25 PM

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Alright cool. Thanks!

strange python Jan 13, 2019, 9:37 PM

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What is the pve rotation for st

sturdy python Jan 13, 2019, 9:39 PM

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Check guide in pins

strange lichen Jan 13, 2019, 9:43 PM

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Anybody have any elvui profile recommendations?

modest garnet Jan 13, 2019, 9:49 PM

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📎 unknown.png

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If you're interested

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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Raid frames are vuhdo though so you'd need to do something for yourself on that, or reenable elvui

lusty narwhal Jan 13, 2019, 10:15 PM

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Looks like a healer UI

buoyant coyote Jan 13, 2019, 10:24 PM

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@spice surge @sturdy python thanks for the tips it worked FeelsLoveMan

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@strange lichen could link u my ui tomorrow if u want

modest garnet Jan 13, 2019, 10:28 PM

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Cus I also heal

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And dont feel like moving stuff constnatly

latent field Jan 13, 2019, 10:29 PM

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Spec specific profiles tho

lusty narwhal Jan 13, 2019, 10:29 PM

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^

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Well

modest garnet Jan 13, 2019, 10:30 PM

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laziness prevails

lusty narwhal Jan 13, 2019, 10:30 PM

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Character specific

modest garnet Jan 13, 2019, 10:30 PM

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Only time it matters is on mythic taloc to see beams

latent field Jan 13, 2019, 10:30 PM

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What? I’m not supposed to be healing on my rogue? 🤔

modest garnet Jan 13, 2019, 10:39 PM

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bandage spec?

latent field Jan 13, 2019, 10:40 PM

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Crimson vial is a raid heal right?

versed mica Jan 13, 2019, 10:46 PM

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What are the best traits going to be during new raid?

eager river Jan 14, 2019, 12:07 AM

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on a scale from 1-10, with 1 being super easy, how hard do you think it would be for someone to manage assassination's rotation with full clicking?

round harbor Jan 14, 2019, 12:11 AM

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4

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I think next week mythic I'm gonna do a full mythic reclear click only

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Thanks for the idea

dark crag Jan 14, 2019, 12:12 AM

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1 if you put the buttons next to each other

eager river Jan 14, 2019, 12:12 AM

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uhhh have fun with that

round harbor Jan 14, 2019, 12:12 AM

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Shouldn't be too hard tbh

dark crag Jan 14, 2019, 12:13 AM

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Onehanded challenge is much better

safe matrix Jan 14, 2019, 12:22 AM

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1

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zempai used to click antorus sin

fast nacelle Jan 14, 2019, 12:25 AM

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ionAddons

strange python Jan 14, 2019, 12:35 AM

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what weap enchant works for assassination?

civic palm Jan 14, 2019, 12:37 AM

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pins

dark crag Jan 14, 2019, 12:57 AM

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simself

upper island Jan 14, 2019, 2:24 AM

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thistbh

shy drum Jan 14, 2019, 3:03 AM

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CT VS PB this week affix?

quick echo Jan 14, 2019, 3:03 AM

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!ct

prisma monolithBOT Jan 14, 2019, 3:03 AM

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There is no specific week or affix that makes one or the other more viable.
CT vs PB is mainly down to your group, the dungeon itself and your pull sizes, with PB naturally having an edge in boss fights.
It's mainly the combination of affixes and dungeons that favour one or the other. High Tyr KR/Temple favour PB in general, due to low pulls and harder bosses.
In terms of Exsang vs TB; Exsang wins since it works well with SS traits and it's only 1 global on your priority target for some burst damage and extra energy.
TB usually locks you to that target to gain the most out of it.

shy drum Jan 14, 2019, 3:04 AM

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ty

sour wraith Jan 14, 2019, 4:39 AM

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What are the preferred azerite traits for m+? 1ss, 1 eb, and something else?

echo cargo Jan 14, 2019, 4:50 AM

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Are keys going up to +15 for loot in Season 2?

quick ice Jan 14, 2019, 5:07 AM

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No, 10 still max, with base M0 ilvl going up.

buoyant coyote Jan 14, 2019, 5:53 AM

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I kinda wanna use CT over PB in m+ specc feels meh i mostly tank in m+ instead

supple hearth Jan 14, 2019, 6:07 AM

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@buoyant coyote ct is ideal when you're pulling 4+ mobs at once. If it's only 1-3 at a time for most of the dungeon stay pb

primal gazelle Jan 14, 2019, 6:07 AM

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hidden blades will be competitive next season with 3 ss 3 eb as well

civic palm Jan 14, 2019, 6:21 AM

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mmm, dunno.

primal gazelle Jan 14, 2019, 6:32 AM

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i spent the whole day running +15 keys on the ptr on dh/rogue trying out all azerite combo combinations, the best imo is 3 ss 3 eb with hidden blades

civic palm Jan 14, 2019, 6:33 AM

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Oh great so then it's concluded.

primal gazelle Jan 14, 2019, 6:33 AM

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1 FOK cast does more dmg than the initial hit of CT, so ct should only be refreshed and not spammed when you have infinite energy + combo points

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and hidden blades gives 2-3% ST value, a little less than pb

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CT's strength is the sustained aoe dot, which honestly isnt that helpful on reaping since it prefers burst aoe

civic palm Jan 14, 2019, 6:36 AM

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k

cobalt gyro Jan 14, 2019, 7:06 AM

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if anyone says scent is bad

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https://i.imgur.com/R0HSR7h.png

Imgur

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show them this

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only 6 rupt on a medium ish pull on ptr

civic palm Jan 14, 2019, 7:07 AM

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Who would say Scent is bad?

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o _O

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Morons.

cobalt gyro Jan 14, 2019, 7:07 AM

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i've seen it

civic palm Jan 14, 2019, 7:07 AM

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Me: Scent is bad.

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Also Me: When the fight is 13 seconds long.

cobalt gyro Jan 14, 2019, 7:07 AM

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also, the tooltip for shrouded has been changed in the PTR

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actually mentions that it buffs every tick

civic palm Jan 14, 2019, 7:07 AM

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Nothing has actually changed IIRC, just better wording.

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"better" aka actually wording... at all

cobalt gyro Jan 14, 2019, 7:08 AM

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https://i.imgur.com/JP1RAGf.png

Imgur

civic palm Jan 14, 2019, 7:08 AM

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yeah

cobalt gyro Jan 14, 2019, 7:08 AM

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just l;ess confusing

patent topaz Jan 14, 2019, 7:09 AM

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my tanks always do small pulls, last time I went with EB was during teeming underrot and it did 1.5% overall damage. Never again

steep obsidian Jan 14, 2019, 7:12 AM

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it also buffs your fok base a little bit too

buoyant coyote Jan 14, 2019, 8:04 AM

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@supple hearth yea switched to sub for my weekly keys abit more fun in m+

bleak spoke Jan 14, 2019, 8:30 AM

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Playing sub in atal Tol and shrine rn (would do siege too probably but haven’t been in a siege yet this week)

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The fok dmg just causes too many problems with smallies imo

lavish spruce Jan 14, 2019, 8:34 AM

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http://puu.sh/CwsyF/3cfad677e4.jpg

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it's never too late right 😢

latent field Jan 14, 2019, 8:34 AM

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besad

winter moss Jan 14, 2019, 8:36 AM

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i mean

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why would you bonus roll

lavish spruce Jan 14, 2019, 8:37 AM

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full on brolls and just wanted to do it for shits n gigs

winter moss Jan 14, 2019, 8:37 AM

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if you were full then go for it

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by the end of this week you should have 3 rolls

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save the 2 from next week

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and go ham in new raid

lavish spruce Jan 14, 2019, 8:38 AM

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yeh i'm gonna be full even after rolling from that lol thats why i was like "why not"

dapper moat Jan 14, 2019, 9:56 AM

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Hows the sin in this new raid? Any hints?

civic palm Jan 14, 2019, 9:57 AM

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Good.

grizzled jay Jan 14, 2019, 10:01 AM

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Quite a few multi dotting situations

dapper moat Jan 14, 2019, 10:02 AM

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Sounds nice as i love the rotation of ss.

brisk forge Jan 14, 2019, 11:00 AM

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SS dosent change the rotation that much tho 😜

winter moss Jan 14, 2019, 11:47 AM

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it kinda does

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atleast the opener

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but play DD and TB

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superior gameplay

buoyant coyote Jan 14, 2019, 12:17 PM

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Wait we have a rotation xD pepegiggle

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I just smash my face and win

dapper moat Jan 14, 2019, 12:36 PM

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@ @brisk forge well with vanish its somewhat different than lets say when i play with double dose and master assassin talent.

worn kayak Jan 14, 2019, 12:41 PM

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hey i've read the guide but toxic blade doesn't seem clear to me. do we use it purely as a window to apply as many envenoms as we can, or just use it on CD regardless of envenom? there are times when i cast TB but then have to spend combo points on rupture or renewing garrote

spice surge Jan 14, 2019, 12:43 PM

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Toxic Blade on cool down

vestal wren Jan 14, 2019, 1:02 PM

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cant wait for all the soaking 😛

devout jolt Jan 14, 2019, 1:49 PM

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How is Uldir gear going to stand in the begining of BoD? Is the combat buff still worth it (without the Uldir zone trait) or is it worth trying to replace that item pre raid?

winter moss Jan 14, 2019, 1:50 PM

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archive is basically a second flask

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everything else a sim tells you

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sim without reorigination array

vestal wren Jan 14, 2019, 1:50 PM

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archive only works in uldir

spice surge Jan 14, 2019, 1:51 PM

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Array*

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Archive works everywhere

vestal wren Jan 14, 2019, 1:51 PM

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ye array mb

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also as far as i know uldir gear that drops after the raid opens will have the new azerite tier

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so everything you have from earlier will be a lot less efficient

winter moss Jan 14, 2019, 1:52 PM

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how to make every player feel bad about their previous achievments

devout jolt Jan 14, 2019, 1:52 PM

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fingers crossed, with coins I can get all 3 new pieces but was just curious what the community was thinking about with the gear. Thanks for the fast answers. Sim is still telling me to keep my Archive gear for now.

vestal wren Jan 14, 2019, 2:00 PM

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ppl already stockpiling the new currency and high guids thunnel it into specific players.

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so they get a huge benefit from exploting the system even before the raid opens

winter moss Jan 14, 2019, 2:01 PM

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ye but everyone else who is not exploiting the system just gets punched in the stomach

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casual guilds

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not every one raids in meffod

vestal wren Jan 14, 2019, 2:02 PM

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well everyone had the same chances to exploit it i guess

winter moss Jan 14, 2019, 2:02 PM

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yeah probably

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still it just feels meh

vestal wren Jan 14, 2019, 2:03 PM

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also it means ppl who exploit it can feel a lot better about their good logs over more casual players

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so its a win-win, higher guild players show their 'skill'

spice surge Jan 14, 2019, 2:04 PM

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I mean, is it a skill to not play with your guild and have people give all their loot to you?

winter moss Jan 14, 2019, 2:04 PM

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is world 500 considered casual?

vestal wren Jan 14, 2019, 2:04 PM

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its one of the most important skills in the game

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investing a lot of time and farming is one of the ground pillars (the most important one) of the game

spice surge Jan 14, 2019, 2:05 PM

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Idk not everybody has the same chances. Very few people can form a mythic uldir run with the sole purpose of feeding you azerite for all of their players

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You basicly need to be a streamer for it

winter moss Jan 14, 2019, 2:05 PM

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doing viewerraids to funnel even more gear in your char

vestal wren Jan 14, 2019, 2:06 PM

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its just a extreme form of existing mechanics

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i remember players having insanely high gear by running m+ 24/7 in legion and even overpower mythic raiders by a lot. It later became a necessary to do a lot of m+ and get gear in many guilds

winter moss Jan 14, 2019, 2:08 PM

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with a bit of luck you still overpower mythic raiders

vestal wren Jan 14, 2019, 2:09 PM

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titanforging chance went down in bfa

winter moss Jan 14, 2019, 2:09 PM

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run m+ 24/7 and chances are that you have full 390 gear with 10 sockets and a cherry on top

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i went down but still exists

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and the fact that i got 3x 395 pieces with almost no time compared to method players

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kinda underlines that

vestal wren Jan 14, 2019, 2:10 PM

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well gz

winter moss Jan 14, 2019, 2:10 PM

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still you need to know how to utillize stuff like that

vestal wren Jan 14, 2019, 2:10 PM

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gear is one of the most important parts to peform

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you can peform extremely well, however if you are 10-20 ilvl behind and lack in ap due to not farming a lot you wont be goood

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thats why time is one of the most important factors in wow

ocean rune Jan 14, 2019, 2:11 PM

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whats the new trait Bloodmallet is showing? Treacherous Covenant? I've yet to see that in game, so I'm assuming its from the new raid?

winter moss Jan 14, 2019, 2:12 PM

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basically the new currency only rewards you for squeezing out the last drop of time

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still farming azerite gear takes times, consumes energy

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kirochi ye it is

vestal wren Jan 14, 2019, 2:13 PM

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yes TC is the raid trait and from the looks of it they are rly strong

odd hatch Jan 14, 2019, 2:13 PM

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New currency?

winter moss Jan 14, 2019, 2:13 PM

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Titan Residuum

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is it right?

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https://www.wowhead.com/currency=1718/titan-residuum

Wowhead

Titan Residuum

Unpowered remnants of Azerite armor coveted by ethereal traders in Boralus and Zandalar. Obtained from Mythic Keystone weekly chests and by scrapping or disenchanting Azerite armor.

odd hatch Jan 14, 2019, 2:14 PM

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Oh i thought you meant a new one this patch

vestal wren Jan 14, 2019, 2:14 PM

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yes

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sry, i was to lazy to type it

winter moss Jan 14, 2019, 2:14 PM

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cba to type it

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it's just the new currency

vestal wren Jan 14, 2019, 2:15 PM

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i am 100% sure i spell it wrong so i avoid it

odd hatch Jan 14, 2019, 2:15 PM

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Is it viable to save all azerite gear from now to the new raid for an extra 150+? Or does that not even equal close to a weekly chest

winter moss Jan 14, 2019, 2:15 PM

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but the system rewards you with according to the time you put in the game

vestal wren Jan 14, 2019, 2:16 PM

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you can save residuum now and use it after the raid is live to get the new azerite tier

winter moss Jan 14, 2019, 2:16 PM

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still some went ahead and asked others to trade them their drops

odd hatch Jan 14, 2019, 2:17 PM

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I wonder if residuum dropped from azerite gear pre patch will scale up

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Actually probs not huh thatd be op. Rip

vestal wren Jan 14, 2019, 2:18 PM

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no, only gear dropped after the raid opens will have the new tier

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its one way to make your current gear less strong

odd hatch Jan 14, 2019, 2:18 PM

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Residuum tho

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Like rn you get 12 per scrap, i was thinking whether or not it would scale up to whatever itll start equaling in the new patch if we saved it

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But i doubt it cause itd be way too op now that i think about it

spice surge Jan 14, 2019, 2:19 PM

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Yes it matters?

vestal wren Jan 14, 2019, 2:19 PM

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if ppl share their azerite gear in raids this means even more playtime is needed (as the player who shares needs to spend a lot of time to be able to give the gear to you)

odd hatch Jan 14, 2019, 2:20 PM

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If it did scale then it would. If not, then nope

spice surge Jan 14, 2019, 2:20 PM

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It does scale, but only 9-10x as much

vestal wren Jan 14, 2019, 2:20 PM

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the scrap value depends on the gear ilvl

spice surge Jan 14, 2019, 2:20 PM

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^

odd hatch Jan 14, 2019, 2:20 PM

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Ah interesting. Makes sense

spice surge Jan 14, 2019, 2:20 PM

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Some people in method are close to being able to afford 2 415 right of the bat

odd hatch Jan 14, 2019, 2:21 PM

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Jesus

spice surge Jan 14, 2019, 2:21 PM

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Because of insane azerite funneling

vestal wren Jan 14, 2019, 2:21 PM

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random 415 or specific?

spice surge Jan 14, 2019, 2:21 PM

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random ofc

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Specific is such a massive waste

vestal wren Jan 14, 2019, 2:21 PM

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iirc ppl will never target specific ones tbh

spice surge Jan 14, 2019, 2:22 PM

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Theres only 6 pieces in the random pool and buying a specific costs 4 times as much

vestal wren Jan 14, 2019, 2:22 PM

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the chance of getting the piece earlier by just bying and scraping if its bad is to high

spice surge Jan 14, 2019, 2:22 PM

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and most of the time there is 2 of those 6 items that have roughly what you're looking for

winter moss Jan 14, 2019, 2:23 PM

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prices for 415 random? cant find the link

spice surge Jan 14, 2019, 2:23 PM

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9-10x as much as current

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So between 1.5k-2k

winter moss Jan 14, 2019, 2:25 PM

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well i can afford 1 random if im lucky the next 2 id's

scenic birch Jan 14, 2019, 2:26 PM

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Question: Would u run 1x SS 1xAT and 1x DD or 2xDD and 1 xAT? for mythic raid Uldir.

fringe narwhal Jan 14, 2019, 3:16 PM

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Even if they all funnel gear it's still limited. High end guild could do the same with alts to get the mains ready. You are limited to the azerite your group gets in 1 run though. But they should probably make it so you can't trade azerite past armor class.

candid thorn Jan 14, 2019, 3:18 PM

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Idk, is it really that bad that people who want to go to extreme lengths to grind something can do that? People have been complaining about gear being timegated for a while

primal gazelle Jan 14, 2019, 3:20 PM

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in the end, these top end guilds will still clear the raid...10-15 ilvls under when the rest of us plebs clear it

tame sun Jan 14, 2019, 3:20 PM

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i wonder if there is a trigger for empowered garrote through ss so i can add it to my weakaura. does anybody know if its possible?

fringe narwhal Jan 14, 2019, 3:21 PM

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Like I said in a way it's not really grinding. You have a very specific maximum you can get from raids

uneven bolt Jan 14, 2019, 3:22 PM

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I have a question; on site for 1 or more SS power for TB, it says Garrote -> Rupture -> Garrote, as first garrote I have to use it only once? or up to 4 ? Got only 2 SS atm

primal gazelle Jan 14, 2019, 3:23 PM

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method/limit cleared uldir with like.. avg 370-375 ilvl with 2 stacks of array... everybody else 380-390 ilvl with 10 stacks so i dont really think its a bad thing for them to have a head start on some azerite slots

spice surge Jan 14, 2019, 3:25 PM

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@fringe narwhal They havent just been funneling from their main raids, they've had people NOT playing in their mainraid and play with veiwers to get fed more azerite

tame sun Jan 14, 2019, 3:25 PM

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1 garrote, 1 rup, 1 garr, or what was your question?

uneven bolt Jan 14, 2019, 3:26 PM

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yeah

tame sun Jan 14, 2019, 3:26 PM

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garrote is for 3 cps + pandemic "abuse"

uneven bolt Jan 14, 2019, 3:26 PM

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ah

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and that 2nd garrote, it's still in stealth?

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like, do all 3 with subterfuge?

fringe narwhal Jan 14, 2019, 3:26 PM

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I get what your saying but your limited to recieving loot from only 1 run through each raid tier either way

tame sun Jan 14, 2019, 3:27 PM

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3 gcds in subterfuge.

spice surge Jan 14, 2019, 3:27 PM

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Yeah but 10-15 pieces of 385 gear every week is A LOT of residium

tame sun Jan 14, 2019, 3:28 PM

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2nd garrate is still subterfuge buffed. if it isnt, it would be a huge dps loss due to you would overwrite your first empowered once

uneven bolt Jan 14, 2019, 3:28 PM

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true

fringe narwhal Jan 14, 2019, 3:30 PM

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But are they carrying them or are they good enough to run through an entire mythic on their own? Because both have merit that the person can do what they want with their loot. And idk maybe I'm underestimating how much they are getting but 10-15 pieces sounds a bit extreme for exactly azerite loot. I go through on heroic very often with more than mythics 20 man cap capping heroic size and I dont ever see 10 specifically azerite pieces dropping through an entire raid

wide hedge Jan 14, 2019, 3:40 PM

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where is it confirmed that 415 pieces will cost 9-10x the current prices? was there a bluepost or information from ptr?

ripe nimbus Jan 14, 2019, 3:45 PM

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You know what's gonna be weird going into a new raid and feeling weaker because we no longer have 10 stacks of reorigination array

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That's like 2.8k dps I have to get again feelsbadman

spice surge Jan 14, 2019, 3:45 PM

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First of all, every tier of azerite gives 3x more residium (355 gives 4 while 370 gives 12). Therefore it should be about 9x as much since we're jumping two tiers @wide hedge

ripe nimbus Jan 14, 2019, 3:45 PM

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Not to mention it's haste so rotation gonna slow down:(

spice surge Jan 14, 2019, 3:45 PM

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But also from the QA right after 8.1 they explicitly said The team will continue to inflate the prices as new seasons start, so each successive season of gear will cost ~10x more than the previous one.

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Getting 3 new traits more than makes up for reorigination loss

primal gazelle Jan 14, 2019, 3:46 PM

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^

lament dove Jan 14, 2019, 3:46 PM

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@uneven bolt I guess from your "or up to 4" question that you are mixing up single target opener with multi target
so it's garrote - rupture - garrote for single target, but if you aoe, you should garrote 3 times on 3 different targets to get the max out of your garrotes
the point is that you do the most garrotes possible during subterfuge, whih is 3, but for single target, there's no point in doing 3, because with 2 you are already maxing out the duration

spice surge Jan 14, 2019, 3:47 PM

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With my current gear it was about a 3% gain with same ilvl (getting good traits for the new raids that is)

ripe nimbus Jan 14, 2019, 3:47 PM

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Yah if u get good ones

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Good luck

spice surge Jan 14, 2019, 3:47 PM

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I mean, most of them are decent

primal gazelle Jan 14, 2019, 3:48 PM

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almost every raid piece has SS on it

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will be easy

wide hedge Jan 14, 2019, 3:48 PM

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can we still buy random 385 azerite for 165 residuum?

ripe nimbus Jan 14, 2019, 3:48 PM

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Id much rather have the haste from array then some shitty trait. At least haste effects the rotation lol

primal gazelle Jan 14, 2019, 3:48 PM

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i think so but why would you

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just stream roll normal for 385 azerites

spice surge Jan 14, 2019, 3:49 PM

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Or m0 for 370 ones if you want to do it before raid

lament dove Jan 14, 2019, 3:50 PM

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the question is, are the 385 pieces for 165 residuum getting the extra ring as well? because it is faster to buy those than to farm out some 370s from m0

spice surge Jan 14, 2019, 3:50 PM

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Yes they do

lament dove Jan 14, 2019, 3:50 PM

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and you'll get a lot more residium after that anyway

spice surge Jan 14, 2019, 3:50 PM

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But its far from worth it

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Since buying 3 385 will cost you like, 35% of a 415

wide hedge Jan 14, 2019, 3:52 PM

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well as ingi i can build a helmet, so i only have to get chest+shoulders 😄

uneven bolt Jan 14, 2019, 3:53 PM

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oh

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I see

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ty @lament dove

spice surge Jan 14, 2019, 3:53 PM

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Well yeah you can craft a helm after you've done 15 m+/m0

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Not really gonna happen before you clear through normal, assuming you are in guild

lament dove Jan 14, 2019, 3:54 PM

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yeah:(

wide hedge Jan 14, 2019, 3:54 PM

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yeah should be fine

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think its worth, so i can use my residuum for other stuff

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even though the ingi traits on second ring are not that good for assa (too stay ontopic), but the first ring has some good traits i think

ripe nimbus Jan 14, 2019, 3:59 PM

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The one where I simmed it?

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19.8k with 10 array 17k without

strange python Jan 14, 2019, 4:01 PM

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Your stat weights are in next tier already , yikers.

spice surge Jan 14, 2019, 4:02 PM

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Hes a survival hunter, thats why he has haste at 3.7

lament dove Jan 14, 2019, 4:05 PM

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you'll have 3 plus traits instead of reorigination though

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although traits are getting nerfed...

spice surge Jan 14, 2019, 4:05 PM

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They arent

lament dove Jan 14, 2019, 4:05 PM

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but still, 3 traits are worth that much dps

spice surge Jan 14, 2019, 4:06 PM

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The "nerfs" are from 8.1.5 ptr (so not the raid) and probably related to the new scaling system they're gonna use going forward

primal gazelle Jan 14, 2019, 4:06 PM

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the "nerfs" also arent active on the ptr

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all the traits do the same dmg as live right now

cerulean walrus Jan 14, 2019, 4:12 PM

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So the new raid will be the first thing to introduce the 4 ring system right?

hollow lynx Jan 14, 2019, 4:21 PM

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So outside of Uldir, I run 2x SS and 1 DD anyone else notice around 23% Haste, mastery has started simming higher (OUTSIDE of Uldir)

uneven bolt Jan 14, 2019, 4:24 PM

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POG

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got my 3rd SS trait ❤

hollow stone Jan 14, 2019, 4:34 PM

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Lol. Just in time too

uneven bolt Jan 14, 2019, 4:35 PM

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xd

round harbor Jan 14, 2019, 4:46 PM

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@hollow lynx for what content?

austere scarab Jan 14, 2019, 4:47 PM

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Is assassin looking good for next raid? I'm on the fence about playing it or warlock still.

hollow lynx Jan 14, 2019, 4:47 PM

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Mythic pluses generally mostly because I don’t have a 3rd SS but mastery started simming highest even on ST I found it odd since it’d been Haste>Crit up till recently

cerulean walrus Jan 14, 2019, 4:54 PM

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So how does EB feel in M+? I've sort of been out of the loop with trait stacking in Mythics. I still use my 2x SS 1x SoB setup

round harbor Jan 14, 2019, 4:54 PM

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Chris you shouldn't ever take DD in m+

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Eb is good and so is scent

cerulean walrus Jan 14, 2019, 4:56 PM

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So I'm assuming I'd just end up keeping the 2 SS and just swapping SoB for EB. Is Dungeon (slice?) actually accurate for dungeon DPS sims?

round harbor Jan 14, 2019, 4:56 PM

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It's as close as it's ever gonna be. M+ is so complex that simming will give skewed answers for the most part

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I keep SOB in places like kr, tos

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Really anywhere that has a good amount of aoe EB is good. But I usually just play outlaws in those dungeons anyway

cerulean walrus Jan 14, 2019, 4:58 PM

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So stuff with tight grouping like TD and stuff it should be better

round harbor Jan 14, 2019, 4:58 PM

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TD is alot of St

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If you use the cannons properly