OK and repeat opener when vanish off CD? Waiting that 15 sec for exsang to be up is worth it I assume right since it's 45 sec CD
#assassination
modest garnet
spice surge
Ye i have np too
sturdy python
You use vanish after your empowered garrote falls off to reapply two garrotes
Assuming you're using subterfuge
spice surge
Technically gotta reforge my BFF shoulders to NP for ST
sturdy python
And that's st, get three out in multi of course
modest garnet
Right. Thanks for answering my basic questions. Appreciate it. Loving rogue so far and may main it next tier
sturdy python
Hope you enjoy it, great class
modest garnet
Did my first raid on it last night and was mid blue/purple for a lot of fights but still a lot to learn.
tepid fractal
cool someone enjoys it like first tme
royal lantern
still better then dh
spice surge
Thats a fotm if i ever saw one ๐
royal lantern
doesnt matter, still better then dh
sturdy python
Suuuuure
royal lantern
rogue discord, we dont play priest, we gank them
hard monolith
Warmode: [OFF] Kappa
royal lantern
hello fellow alliance player
wary ice
theer was another nerf?
primal gazelle
wow lol this zandari troll racial
Regeneratin' - 4 sec cast (Channeled), 1.5 min cooldown. Regenerate 25% of your maximum health every 1 sec.
full heal every 90 secs
thats so good for pvp
primal gazelle
or sprint behind a corner, los and regen to full wow
spice surge
Im assuming its not 25% per second and rather 25% total, anything else would be silly
Since i dont think the paku buff gives you 5% crit for 0 seconds either
oblique jackal
is anyone able to play on the ptr right now?>
wary ice
Regeneratin' (Active) - Regenerate 25% of your maximum health every 1 sec. Lasts 4 seconds. 1.5 min cooldown.
spice surge
As for the "nerfs" for EB, they're already in, it was the changes they made first week
wary ice
as per current ptr at least
spice surge
and the lowering of all azerites is probably related to the power of the traits scaling with your neck level
Yes, but it also has Embrace of Paku - Your abilities have a chance to grant you 5% critical strike for 0 sec.
Neither of which sound correct
wary ice
are they already updated on herodamage / blood malets?
obsidian ridge
does anyone understand the shrouded suffocation change on the 8.1.5 ptr?
spice surge
Likely just a tooltip update
obsidian ridge
why would "2 additional cp and more dmg" need a tooltip update tho? ^^ anyway thx
primal gazelle
are you sure? says EB modifier was nerfed by 50% ish, wasnt the original nerf 75%
48 modifier -> 22 isnt 75%
iirc they nerfed the EB proc by 75% but made it 100% crit, so overall nerf was 50% total
haughty flame
primal gazelle
its for 815 on the ptr
this was the previous hotfix on echo blades
therefore leads me to believe this is another EB nerf on top of that
covert yarrow
if you look at the second line again, there is also a 2 at the end of it, so yes it is reduced again, but not that much
primal gazelle
i did the math on both, the current modifier is about 51.10, the new one is 24.84, including the "2" at the end of the formula, still about 50%
covert yarrow
just checked ptr, and it actually shows it doing more damage compared to live
royal lantern
dead spec? you mean ded class
covert yarrow
yes
primal gazelle
screenshot it?
according to the notes, they buffed the FOK dmg portion by 10% and nerfed EB proc by 48.61% roughly
covert yarrow
PTR
primal gazelle
what ilvl is that?
scenic nacelle
Very cool Kanye
covert yarrow
atleast it isn't a nerf, what it looks like..
rose crater
Hi all, was curious since I play quite a bit of Assasination, but the Rogue in our guilds plays Exsang as opposed to TB, and was wondering what might be the reason why? He performs very well numerically, is there a trait setup that encourages it or something?
spice surge
They nerfed every trait in the entire game, presumably for the scaling they're gonna introduce later
primal gazelle
they didnt nerf DH's best aoe trait ๐ eyes of rage still untouched and pumpin
covert yarrow
I would go test it out, if the ptr wasn't so damn bugged at the moment, can't even log out. have to use alt-f4
primal gazelle
its okie tho i dont expect to be around when spring/summer comes around
gotta be an actual human being and step outside to see the sun once in a while
short token
guys double shrouded still the way to go with an archive right?
short token
is anyone on that can help me with some gearing questions?
tough lantern
@rose crater Exsang really shines with SS trait
Also with TB you are locked into one target for 9 seconds
w/ exsang you can swap
short token
@doki do you have a second?
i'm about to spend 675 residuum, i'm simming out of my mind over here but i want to make sure i'm making the right moves
cerulean walrus
Wait so with the change to SS in 8.1.5 is that a nerf or a buff?
I'm tired AF so I can't tell
short token
do you think 2x SS + exsang beats 2x Double Dose + toxic blade?
cerulean walrus
Or is it the same just a tooltip update?
bold hearth
Psure it's just a tooltip update.
tough lantern
can also check hero dmg @short token
bold hearth
2XSS + Exsang is generally more damage in raids, they're really close ST though.
Almost every boss has more than 1 target.
exotic jay
CT or PB KR this week?
short token
ok, im doing this purely for ghuun, we're @ 250+ attempts and really need the kill
stibbles, this whole tier i've been using double dose, SS, and an archive piece with toxic blade
would i have been better off going exsang u think?
bold hearth
For Ghuun play whatever you want.
Only damage that matters is phase 3 damage, technically I think Sub is top for burst there.
But on a ST basis Exsang and TB are super close.
Make sure you have as many gutrippers as possible.
short token
should i drop a double dose for dagger in the back so i can get an extra gutripper?
cerulean walrus
Sim it
bold hearth
Ehhh probably not, but i'd sim the loss in dps and then compare it to logs that have gutripper in them.
cerulean walrus
I'm not sure if DitB sims properly though. Did they finally find a way to calculate that?
short token
the only sim that shows a positive gain for me is replacing my only SS on my shoulders with a piece that has Double dose and gutripper, thus having 2x double dose and archive...yet i see nobody on warcraft logs using that set up
bold hearth
If it's a ST dps increase and you all are not struggling in any other part of the fight than phase 3 I would do it.
That sim is undervalued because of how overvalued gutripper is for Ghuun too.
You won't find anyone using 2XDD and 1XArchive because that's not how you rank.
tough lantern
the 2nd rank on logs uses that tho
short token
holy crap you're right
tough lantern
short token
i just looked at that
bold hearth
Dude also cheesed FoK damage too.
fringe narwhal
And like he said gut ripper is strong in the part that matters
short token
i run the 2nd orb so minimal fok damage, for me it's all about the single target ghuun dmg
bold hearth
Yea so then go with what sims highest for ST and take into account that gutripper is really good.
Do you have logs?
hardy vapor
where does Sin stand in comparison to outlaw now?
fickle viper
(its actually ur p3 dmg divided by fight length so sometimes r2/3 can actuaklly be better than r1 for actual p3 dmg)
fickle viper
theres a good example log for you probably for if u run arch/2dd
hes running that, with 2 gutrippers, also MA instead of subterfuge
short token
i've never run without subterfuge, does it change the rotation?
bold hearth
Are you running 1 Gutripper in that attempt?
short token
yes
fickle viper
yes running MA changes rotation, running without SS already changes rotation because garrotes out of stealth dont give 3 CP
so it changes opener/vendettas
tough lantern
changes vanish too no?
fickle viper
his p3 was on the long end (2m+ is long, but possible for progress), so he got 2nd set of CDs
bold hearth
His gutripper also did 60k+ more damage with the 2nd trait, showing just how good it is.
And his phase 3 was shorter than yours.
fickle viper
Its still on the long end
bold hearth
Oh definitely.
fickle viper
Theirs was a wipe so it dragged out, but for progress you can expect a 2m +- p3 i think
bold hearth
Our Phase 3s are usually just over 2 mins.
But in reality you're playing well @short token
short token
u think so?
bold hearth
Too many deaths and really not enough warriors lol
You should not be top damage in phase 3.
short token
really?
short token
ok
short token
so stibbles u think i should hold off buying an azerite piece?
i haven't had an upgrade in like 2 months
i'm like dying for something new
bold hearth
Oh definitely hold off until the 22nd.
You're doing your part on damage, you might be able to squeeze out a little more dps with some tweaks and another gutripper but really you just need people to not die.
short token
yeah
bold hearth
Having your only warrior die during lust is terrible.
Okay don't do that for a first kill.
short token
i'm not gonna switch to those now @strange python i've just got too much muscle memory going over 250 attempts
bold hearth
Also those are parsing tactics not kill tactics.
The most important thing in phase 3 is actually just not dieing and getting high uptime on the boss.
Like just compare the damage done for every raid member in phase 3 to our kill.
short token
yep looking at that now
bold hearth
Make sure you set the time length the same, your phase 3 was much longer.
bold hearth
Yea that probably 100 dps isn't going to get you the kill.
Your raid not dying is going to.
Having 2 warriors also helps us, execute is huge.
short token
ok, i think with the 5% nerf we should hopefully get it tonight
bold hearth
Were you all using the spell reflect cheese?
bold hearth
I mean 1M is a lot, but it's mainly to offset the spell reflect change.
strange python
You'd only kill the boss now if you were wiping at sub 1% previously
strange python
idk hence why i said "only like"
bold hearth
Even 1% is a lot for Ghuun phase 3.
rare sleet
better than my guild lol only reason we wipe is we have people not good at mechanics
bold hearth
We had something like 4 or 5 sub 1% wipes before our first kill.
shy axle
how often in garrote ticking ? all 2 secs or every second?
bold hearth
So then yea it should be a good amount easier for you.
bleak spoke
if you float over the debuff on the enemy mob it'll tell you how much dmg and how often
worthy spire
stupid question: how do you do your opener to 3+ targets if you use shrouded suffocation
do you just 3x garrote?
spice surge
yes
worthy spire
thank you
strange python
Guys don't forgot echoing
spice surge
?
bleak spoke
somewhat related question: better to garrote one of the targets twice if I'm opening with exsang or just put 3 garrotes out, rupture the last and exsang?
spice surge
Assuming they all live the full duration
Would you rather have 6 seconds of garrote or 18 seconds?
fringe narwhal
Probably 3 if they all live
primal gazelle
im guessing blizz thinks 3 ss 3 echo is too strong of an aoe combo
royal lantern
well, it would probably be really strong yeha
bleak spoke
any combination of echo and scent with 3 ss would feel so damn good haha
primal gazelle
at least we get to enjoy it for a few more months before 815 comes out lol
maybe late march april
bleak spoke
are those really significant nerfs tho
bleak spoke
oh
royal lantern
tbf, they nerf all traits for dps specs
stable oxide
so I have a 385 Galecallers boon and a 380 Golden plumage. Obviously the Galecallers boon sims higher (around 100 dps) but I'm kinda insecure about my GCB uptime. Does anyone have any experience raiding (on a high lvl) with GCB?
bleak spoke
except flash freeze and arcanopulse LUL
primal gazelle
i see like 10-15% nerfs across the board
bleak spoke
@stable oxide pins
royal lantern
cus we get 3 more, much higher stats next tier etc.....if they would not change it stuff would go out of controll
primal gazelle
but ours get a 50% nerf lol
bleak spoke
basically press it on CD
primal gazelle
dh's aoe eye beam trait is untouched as well
bleak spoke
to be fair shrouded doesn't look that nerfed
yeh i don't know why the hell they refuse to touch dh
royal lantern
well ofc not mage's, dirty ranged dps is always crying that they must do sooooo much more mechanics(stay spread) and are always in a disadvantage too melee, ofc they dont get nerfs ;P
bleak spoke
idk, every trait on lock was nerfed
royal lantern
doesnt matter, afflock will still be op
bleak spoke
including dreadful calling, which is currently negative dps to begin with :lul:
royal lantern
i gurantee it
primal gazelle
eb looks pretty gutted to me, id run prob 3 ss 3 sob over eb at that point
bleak spoke
yeh, i've pretty much rerolled to rogue but i'll still keep my lock current for progress
to be fair 3 scent of blood is hella agi
royal lantern
i would maybe play warlock for progression as an alt over a hunter if the lock gameplay would not be so mindblowing BORING
bleak spoke
like what on 2 target sob is already better than a fully stacked archive
just getting like 2-3 ruptures out will spike your agi harder than a pot
in a world of 3 ss 3 sob i mean
and then when you do the vanish after you're actually just shitting on everything
primal gazelle
with 3x eb, EB is usually 23-25% of my overall damage, fok is 16-19% in a dungeon like FH
reducing eb by 50% def hurts alot
primal gazelle
bleak spoke
i agree with you completely i'm just saying that we might end up playing 3 sob and it probably will be good
nimble tartan
por favor
primal gazelle
but apparently its not reflected on ptr tool tips so who knows
bleak spoke
i'm just thinkng of the crimson tempest spam initial hit going for like 6-8k cuz you have like 6-8 ruptures out
bleak spoke
oh it's just a tooltip change?
primal gazelle
nah thats not a tooltip update
nimble tartan
it is im p sure
primal gazelle
the previous change was 75% nerf, 48 modifier to 22 isnt 75%
only the crit part was a tooltip update
nimble tartan
the wowhead post filtered out changes that were already live but they could be wrong
https://www.wowhead.com/news=289603/patch-8-1-5-ptr-build-28938-class-changes?webhook/patch-8-1-5-ptr-build-28938-class-changes
primal gazelle
i pray im wrong tho
nimble tartan
seemingly, the only thing changed according to this is shrouded
primal gazelle
hmm
i saw a 50% nerf to NP on those "tooltip update" changes
did that already happen?
quaint flare
fast thunder
Anyone know which spec will be the go to for BoD progression ?
fast thunder
I just wanna know which one is the best tbh ๐
primal gazelle
they also "nerfed" double dose on the notes that wowhead filtered out as tooltip changes
wowhead filtered out all these changes as "already on live" but they never happened, so safe to say wowhead is wrong
nimble tartan
the ss one isnt filtered out but yeah i dont know forsure what was in or out b4
nimble tartan
good thing i dont follow sims and only use my feels anyways
nimble tartan
its one of our best st traits i think its p strong but yeah nerf is kinda big
primal gazelle
its strong but not like overpowered strong to nerf it by 50% lol
nimble tartan
oh well!
royal lantern
i mean, why is NP too strong and DD fine then? they atleast sim for almost the same amount
shy axle
lets wait and see, i bet they r gonna change that numbers a few times now
spice surge
Its 50% nerfed in pvp
bleak spoke
Kinda stupid question but does vendetta buff the np dot
brittle ferry
When you vanish for garrotes do you do garrote, finisher, garrote; or use garrotes back to back? Waste one cp but you get a full 5cp finisher
bleak spoke
depends on cp
brittle ferry
Lets say zero
bleak spoke
i'd do 2 garrotes most of the time i think
brittle ferry
Hmmm i was too but my biggest issue with wow analyzer is garrote cp waste
royal lantern
well, if you have 0 cp you should use garrote 2x and then finisher too not waste cp
3x garrote is the aoe opener on 3 different targets
brittle ferry
Yeah im talking single target
primal gazelle
@brittle ferry i believe you should enter vanish with 2 CP, garrote, finisher with 5, garrote again
so you dont waste any cp
brittle ferry
But that means i need to get lucky with mut correct?
Cause im not going to fok or pk for cps lol
shy axle
just use ss 2 times with 0 cp and space them up with a finisher if you already have 1 or 2 cp
no need to go extra rocket science on that imo
brittle ferry
SS?
primal gazelle
you mean unlucky with mut and hope you dont crit for 4 cp?
if at 0 cp, just cast mut before vanish then G finisher G similar to your opener
brittle ferry
And if you get 3-4 cps just say screw it at that point?
primal gazelle
then delay your vanish until you get 2 cp and cry
brittle ferry
Gotcha lol
Just rechecked the ravenholdt guide and it actually says vanish then garrote twice.
brittle ferry
I think imma try it both ways and see
My issue is that im not doing as much dmg on mythrax as I would like to be
primal gazelle
you might lose a garrote tick by using GG vs G finisher G tho
coral pilot
For running higher fort keys this week should I be going with MP or EP also Poison bomb or crimson tempest. Running 2 echoing blades and a shrouded suffocation currently.
brittle ferry
I think g finisher g is probably optimal
primal gazelle
EP is more dps than MP
spice sorrel
p sure it's always EP atm
vestal wren
yes EP is quite dominant atm
primal gazelle
its about a 1% dps difference for me
unless you really care about that 10% more slows
spice sorrel
yeah unless we start stacking mastery heavily i doubt it would win out
(or as the expansion progresses and we naturally get more mast)
fringe narwhal
Wowanalyzer is general advice if all your wasted CPS are specifically from doing that it's just an outlier. You have to make the advice it gives match the fight your looking at
Say your looking at a fight with 30% down time and analyser says you have 50% downtime. That's 20% too much for that fight not 50
obsidian ridge
how do you deal the most possible dmg to the small adds on mythic mythrax? Tried holding vanish, in our raid they die too fast to make SS garrote worth it. Tried CT but you energy starve really quickly because you only have one garrote+rupture up on the big add
silent silo
I don't even bother with the little adds on mythic they die way to fast. I just aoe a bit for the extra cp for the big add
urban pagoda
Other classes will generally be better at handling those adds without impacting themselves too much.
silent silo
Getting down the big add is more of a priority in p2 so I wouldn't be bothered with dmg on the little adds. Just some extra cp's is the way I look at them
fringe copper
https://snag.gy/5KDRkv.jpg What addon has called that i can see my enchants on my ring and azerite traits directly if i press character pane? cant remember.. :/
solid nova
@fringe copper DejaCharacterStats
alpine rain
Just got a Construct overcharger 390.... sigh
double passive trinkets ;_; :FeelsBurst:
sonic marten
i simmed my 385 construct with a socket and it's my bis now over a 375 harlan's loaded dice (pairing with galecaller 370)
steep obsidian
Yeh they buffed it at one point itโs not terrible and easy to get high ilvl
sonic marten
has any rogue surpassed a 20k sim on 5 minu patchwerk yet? i'm at 19.4k with i think pretty close to bis traits/trinkets and i have like 7 sockets
i guess my 2 weapons are 385 with a socket which could be better or my galecaller could be higher
sonic marten
can you link your sim?
maybe i should get raidbots premium so i can really see what's best
royal lantern
ยดยดcries at 18,4kยดยด
sonic marten
i see some rogues going some weird builds now with mastery sockets and master asssassin, and dd, aot, np
oh you dont have SS either
hmm
royal lantern
too late, i saw your tmog allready
spice surge
You use SS for bosses with cleave
sonic marten
i've been using SS for everything
but i do think i have NP traits
i just assumed it was garbage
but i use ghetto sims b/c i dont have premium
this is the other sim i've seen which is close to 20k - https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jtWnR4hCwBg5ZREBjKi2Yu
but he's using mastery gems which i thought were awful shrug
both of you have 395 weapons though which im assuming is like 300-400 dps over the 385
fringe narwhal
I think I read NP is good for ST. and NP favors high mastery
sonic marten
the thing that's confusing to me is why is there not a single boss fight in uldir that has that build in the top 10 assassin rogues for mythic
especially for taloc or maybe even fetid
it's mostly archive double SS for every fight or 1 archive, 1 ddd, 1 ss
fringe narwhal
^^ this plus you don't always have to be the most optimal build in a fight to hit top logs
And on top of that. The cheese parse build is usually not the optimal build for a fight
Didn't I explain the same thing in the ele discord when you asked why the top m+ ele uses AR?
sonic marten
well it's odd that not a single parse is up there b/c you figure someone would try it and get some good numbers
royal lantern
i dont understand why they dont make MA 100%crit tbh
not like it would be too strong with that, 50%is just...meh cus rng can still fuck you
spice surge
There isnt a single boss in uldir that is ST
Or rather, that doesnt have adds that you can "pad" on with SS
sonic marten
yeah i guess that's true - taloc is probably the closest
fringe narwhal
If you look at only boss damage in most fights there is anywhere between 10-20 that have NP
Vectis had a lot of NP users
royal lantern
cant pad on ghuun cus i need too carry orbs and play sub cus of that ๐ฆ
nimble tartan
I only run MA dd NP and its HOT
radiant egret
anyone know if exsanguinate buffs crimson tempst?
spice surge
Exsang does speed up CT yes
Exsang doenst actually make your bleeds do more damage though, only tick faster
azure basalt
wouldnt it in a way do more damage considering you reapply it sooner?
safe matrix
you do more dps
azure basalt
I haven't really used exsang myelf so i dont know too much about it
safe matrix
eleem is being semantical
it does the same damage over the duration, but the duration is half so its twice the dps
trail bronze
Same damage in less time plus more energy as a result of faster ticks
azure basalt
is that 2x dps worth it over the easier option with the nature strike one
spice surge
Yeah, he said "buffs" so i just wanted to make sure
azure basalt
I haven't learned when and why to take either yet and ties into why i joined here to see more information on this spec
spice surge
Its ofc more dps as it ticks faster and you can apply it sooner
azure basalt
is exang only better though if you're running 2x ss?
turbid galleon
For the exsang build, am i always trying to refresh bleeds before using exsang regardless of time left or just use on cd with however many seconds are left on bleed?
quick ice
You want as much duration as possible. Should be a decent explanation on the guide?
!guide
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/
quick ice
Or apparently there isn't one there.
Wowhead guide is currently better for cd usage explain.
turbid galleon
Thanks for the info, cheers
lean path
As assassin, is vigor or marked for death best for pvp?
lean path
Right, sorry.
zenith gust
guys, what should i sim first? like, what would be the order? cuz i assume stat weights would change depending on talents right? maybe talents then azerite and last equipment? i am a bit confused about this
fringe narwhal
talents can favor stats as well
you kind to have to do it all at once
or both parts multiple time
zenith gust
ok, thx!
primal gazelle
LOL reaping is a pure AOE pad fest
Watching flawless stream rn
The previous pack respawns as a ghost and just attacks, like 20+ at once
EB will be bis af
sturdy python
Are they tough enough to be worrisome for groups?
Like, its not gonna be DH hitting 2 buttons and wiping them right?
surreal patio
Should i be using Galecallers on CD or trying to line it up with exs?
sturdy python
O nice
primal gazelle
goodbye sin im going back to dh
MA + EB > SS with Subfuge for sure now with this new affix
pastel wasp
am i hearing mastery stack is back?
strange python
what are the best traits for m+?
primal gazelle
EB
strange python
and
primal gazelle
SS sob
smoky tulip
So anyone have any clue what theyโll be getting trait-wise in BoD?
3 SS and 3 DD or Nothing Personal?
Whatcha thinking theory-crafters?
low junco
3xss ๐ค
fringe narwhal
most likely whatever the top 6 to have right now is
Nothing really changes with the new rings except you get more traits
smoky tulip
ST is probs gonna be DD and NP, surely
low junco
tbh even i cant say what is going to be good next tier
people should just calm down and wait
smoky tulip
Calm down? Rofl
low junco
fringe narwhal
NP and DD are both currently really strong for ST so that would make sense
primal gazelle
its always fun to have discussions and speculate
smoky tulip
Exactly
fringe narwhal
well nothing is really changing
smoky tulip
But apparently weโre losing our minds discussing? ๐
I like how BoD bosses all pretty much drop azerite now
primal gazelle
outlaw might be better for m+ now since reaping is a pad fest
fringe narwhal
I mean it just doesn't make sense to since nothing is changing with the ability of being 3 more traits
fringe narwhal
well from what I hear it's not that hard to kill the reaping affix mobs
but probably need to see how strong they are in high keys
primal gazelle
watch the clip i posted above
fringe narwhal
and if they are affected by fortified
low junco
with 6 traits you can basically manage to pull some fine ass build as outlaw
smoky tulip
Weโre gonna be spoiled for choice
fringe narwhal
man took me forever to find in his ui where it said the other affixes lol
but ya and it was on fortified
so if they are affected they need to be bumped up probably
fringe narwhal
they didn't appear to be. I thought as well
but then again it would create a hard limit without the right balancing
primal gazelle
i dont think SS with sub will be very good with how reaping is, just my opinion
fringe narwhal
For m+ probably not.
lone junco
what is reaping?
primal gazelle
probably the most fun affix ever
lone junco
zombies?
primal gazelle
lone junco
nvm. i found a link.
dapper sundial
just looking at flawless's damage with 3 eb 3 ss, doesn't look too bad still
primal gazelle
if you looked at his rotation, majority of his dmg was from fok and EB
he didnt even vanish to ggg again bc itll be a dps loss
dapper sundial
just did a test on the quad dummies, 3 eb 3 ss, vanishing and re-garroting was def still a dps increase on 4 targets. On huge pulls i totally see it being a loss though
mastery seems like it was giving less as well
civic palm
Crit is weighted heavier with EB stacking
lost sentinel
are zombies affected by fortified
primal gazelle
doesnt look like it
strange python
Prey on the Weak vs Internal Bleeding on M Zek?
vast forum
Potw for group, ib for parsing
patent topaz
outlaw for small add padding ๐
vast forum
Tru dat
patent topaz
I played outlaw on progress though
and on farm
went for a reclear after a month, did 6/8
5 wipes on vectis
cutting edge
bold trail
Has anyone come across a Subterfuge weakaura? So countsdown or displays an icon or something when you break stealth?
civic palm
Yeah there's 1 in my suite, just hit the left arrow next to the icon to remove it from the group and delete the group.
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
lusty narwhal
What profs are people going for next raid
dark crag
Always alchi, 2 hour flask too strong
dark crag
Whatever you like
honest onyx
Hello guys, do you think its worth playing rogue only for one spec in mythic guild? I dont enjoy other specs as i do assa and i feel like i might get benched cuz of it :-D
vast forum
Assa is always good on progress
honest onyx
Well i remember in wod and legion there were cases that he was kinda "low" compared to sub or outlaw
And i see lot ppl saying that like rogue you should play class, not spec only :-D
vast forum
Assa was never bad in legion, only slightly behind outlaw at the beginning, but outlaw was the best simming spec at the time
lament dove
assa was in bottom 3 spec in legion before Antorus according to logs, but I played it in my "casual raiding" guild (we usually leave like last boss alive in mythic due to fatigue), it was completely fine, I was like top 5 always and I never got any complains about my spec
strange python
is it just a WA representation of the APL?
strange python
I am aware of hero but I was just wondering about what that dude just posted
ahhh
I guess I'm not aware of what hero looks like ;p
I misread the context and in doing so misread the intention of the screenshot x.x
vestal wren
btw. for weakauras (hehe shameless self promotion) i rly like this one https://wago.io/NyFFoF1mQ
vestal wren
why is the preview not working propper.
neverless, its a storm target counter
strange python
does it count nameplates? o:
royal lantern
oh wow, the guy that made the wa has the same name as you!
vestal wren
yes
round harbor
i use hekili
used to do hero rotation but last time i used it you couldnt change the apl yourself
hekili just is 2000 times more customizeable
vestal wren
also for the deamonunter irl cosplayer of your raid, let them use this https://wago.io/HyDbPiJVX so they dont miss when they have a mark on their head and need to run out
vestal wren
i prefere not using wa's
strange python
vestal wren
however its just to much qol
round harbor
yeah its the same thing
strange python
๐ค
round harbor
gives useful info to the user
strange python
it's spoonfeeding
I don't think it's necessarily bad
but what I use is definitely not the same
vestal wren
i only have this parts as weakauras, and even think of changing (most of) them to a diffrent addon
strange python
I just tend to feel kinda bad when I don't know my class.
(Not to say that people who use Hekili/whatever don't know their class)
ye that's fair
strange python
true
vestal wren
mystler did a rly great job on the wowhead guides
round harbor
it cant tell you to hold cd's for the mother transisition in 20 seconds or whatever the case may be
strange python
I Didn't know there were wowhead guides
I used ravenholdt and just asked seli tbh >.<
strange python
ye
I didn't like how RH was laid out
very bland
kinda hard to read
could benefit from some clicky drawboxes
strange python
web dev is some spooky shit
I only ever went into WA dev because I wanted to help other people rly
I like those old untextured button WAs :p
vestal wren
web dev. is actually quite okay once you get a handle of the tools (mainly node.js)
strange python
I am a node dev
but I just don't like web dev
I do like networking and server creation
vestal wren
hehe and the only big issue in js is usually async/await and issues around it
strange python
depends on what you mean by issue I think x3
vestal wren
i mean if it works there is no issue ๐ but if its not... well i guess i am a bit to much offtopic...^^
night wolf
we are about to progress mythic zul tonight,any tips on assa rogue on it?
still good after nerf?
winter moss
yes
if the adds live long enough
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/266712108861751296/521317784265818132/unknown.png fuu put alot of work in this
night wolf
gameplay keeps being same as before?
night wolf
but look like at least for this boss keep buf up cd on cd and combo 1 2 12 12
winter moss
keep nightblade up
use SoD on cd
shuriken tornado has 1 min cd
so on SoD with tornado, 1 with out
rest is in the guides
!zul
oh
patent topaz
people went ham on crawgs and I got 24k boss dps on zul yesterday
which is still double of what some people got
night wolf
also i thing more would u consider sub superior than assa on fetid also ?
cos of cds for adds?
night wolf
y they put me on small adds dmg was meh
winter moss
if yu have to play smool adds id consider sub yes
winter moss
Mastery >> Critical Strike/Versatility >Haste
golden relic
The sim value of galecallers, how much value would someone estimate it loses if its not used properly on a fight, like if one would have to step out of the circle and only use like half, alot right?
Just got a doomswake and not have anything but galecallers before, but its become habit knowing when to use it everyfight now, but going into dazalor, doomswake feels like a better option, but it sims less for me by like 150 though only.
sturdy python
Itd lose a lot yeah. Less with exsang but still hurts
vagrant plinth
tbf both pretty easy to play
fickle idol
press button make hurt
fickle idol
not really
steep obsidian
probably easier to screw up xsang by overwriting your xsanged dots like a dummy
I guss thats like having to swap off a target you tb
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
sturdy python
I was jus joking around sillies
undone verge
@fickle idol well said
"press button make hurt"
fickle idol
lol
bleak spoke
make number go big vs make number go fast?
strange python
any1 know if nothing personal stack?
question fellow rogues
does nothing personal stacks ?
or it is useless to have it on other azerite trait as well
strange python
thank you
terse rune
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > mastery > vers >= haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.
vernal walrus
guys i have darkmoon trinket 355, gallecaller's 385 with gem socket and now doom's wake 375, i sim all 3, and sim says gallecallers+ darkmoon is 200 more dps than gallecallers+doom's wake, i cant understand this
spice surge
You cant use two on-use trinkets at the same time
Hence using two of them is often sub-optimal
vernal walrus
thats why i hate it, im stuck in 381 ilvl cause of this trinket
spice surge
Who gives a shit about your ilvl though
vernal walrus
my guilders
they are about 385-387, and that is for me 5-6 ilvl less
soz for my english
strange python
because quite obviously skill in this game is determined purely by item level???????????????????????????????????????????
fickle obsidian
duh
hollow stone
Not to mention pugs see your bag ilvl so it really doesnt matter what your equip is if it does most deeps
Obv this is just feely atm, but, you guys think ss will still be our "bis trait" (arguably at least) for m+ with this new affix or do you think fok trait (hb?) will edge it out?
spiral escarp
Hey guys, can anyone explain what the โDungeon slice(BETA) sims exactly? If it is for m+, does its also account for tyrannical vs. fortified weeks?
Also I noticed that it favors high haste build over crit/mastery. So far Iโve been using patchweek/4 bosses/40 seconds /no raid buffs to sim my m+ gear, but now Iโm confused if I should do that or use the dungeon option.
hollow stone
Dungeon slice accounts for bosses too. Idk if it does tyr vs fort. Its still in beta so its not perfect but its still likely the best we got for m+ sims atm
If you sim your way, that only accounts for trash
fading wigeon
@strange python why are you stacking NP?
proven frigate
@hollow stone there is a purchaseable piece for each slot that has the option to get both SS and EB on it
hollow stone
Fair enough, im just curious what others think. It'll be a while until we have true bis az so until then, there's going to be a priority. Im thinking ss will prob still be better but idk. Eb feels strong as heck too in m+
Just trying to open a feely discussion, see what others think
proven frigate
I understand that, and I'm saying now that you can have 6 traits, you can have 3x SS and 3x EB
so I think that could possibly be the play
spice surge
Prob gonna be Eb+sob (with maybe 1 ss) for big pull dungeons and ss+stats for small ones
hollow stone
You sure can. I bet that'll be our end goal
proven frigate
SoB makes sense too
hollow stone
True that eleem
I cant imagine m+ without at least 1 ss. Would just feel wrong :p
I am def excited to see the combos we can run tho
proven frigate
im not considering that getting dungeon azerite is aids
spice surge
How is it aids lol
proven frigate
way worse system then chest
spice surge
As soon as you have most pieces from the raid you'll get it sooooooo fast
spice surge
Since every boss drops it
proven frigate
im in a 8/8M guild, but we dont keep our loot. goes up for LC
hollow stone
The problem is.... everyone will "need" that az piece for currency
proven frigate
and our heroic save is used for sales
hollow stone
Lol, yup
proven frigate
so ill only have normal to "farm TR"
I just want to be able to get super lucky again like I did this tier and get 2 max ilvl azerite with SS on it first 3 weeks lol
hollow stone
I mean, yeah, but lightning doesnt strike the same place twice so youd prob get f'd by rng this time around
spice surge
You'll get it from mythic after the first couple of weeks, people aren't gonna need that item from the first boss forever
proven frigate
raid traits are gonna be way different from dung traits though
hollow stone
We'll have to see how it plays out, but i think this is at least a step in the right direction
spice surge
Not really, you'll prob use 3ss on close to every boss
proven frigate
they should have left azerite in chest in addition to the TR
spice surge
Yes, dd Sims higher on st but most bosses arent St
Tbh with how fast you get residium it's not an issue
hollow stone
Yea, they should have imo as well. But as with anything blizz does, somebody will always have an issue w their decisions
proven frigate
why would you waste on random pieces?
spice surge
Then on farm you buy specific
hollow stone
I havent done anything on ptr, and have looked into az deeply yet. Have they given numbers on "DE" for resid?
hollow stone
Havent*
spice surge
Every tier is 3x as much as the one before
hollow stone
Ok. Thats good enough for now
I hope there isnt a ton of trait rebalancing since we're all gonna be "DE"ing our extra az pieces lol
spare flame
Can anyone give me any insight into why Im seeing so many top guild's rogues gemming and enchanting crit? It just goes against everything I know and simmed
spice surge
@proven frigate The reason you buy random is because of how expensive specific is, you can buy 4 randoms for the price of 1 sepcific (5 if you disenchant all of the 4 you get because you dont want them)
And there is only 6 pieces that you can get from the randoms, so its a fairly high chance you get the specific one
proven frigate
or you could get 4 of the same shit one
hollow stone
Might be for m+ since they have raid on farm. Could be that crit is higher value for them. Personally, mastery is my highest value stat. This is why you sim your char and not just go with a cookie cutter "haste > crit > mast > vers" @spare flame
spare flame
I get that but sims pretty much always value haste higher then crit, atleast in my experience
I suppose the M+ answer makes sense for the crit mastery but im seeing it alot
spare flame
really hey?
spare flame
Interesting
hollow stone
Haste falls off
spare flame
This discord has been calling bullshit on there being any softcap I thought
hollow stone
There isnt a "soft cap". But it does fall off
proven frigate
@spare flame when are the logs you are looking at from?
spice surge
It doesnt "fall off" much per se, its just that other stats get better
vagrant plinth
its not any sort of cap you'd shoot for but it loses a bit of value past a certain threshold is how i understand it
hollow stone
If you have 3k haste but no crit and no mast, crit and mast will be bigger increases
proven frigate
a lot of guilds have been using cheese strats for good parses, such as spawning extra adds and things
strange python
@fading wigeon if stacking in pvp i i can over 150k burst
spice surge
Btw @strange python NP is nerfed by 50% in pvp
proven frigate
rip your dream ๐ฆ FeelsBadMan
hollow stone
Other stats getting more valuable is basically the same as haste falling off lol
spare flame
Its not logs as much as twitch/and armory that Im seeing it
Huge investment in crit
Im like 389 ilvl with a lot of choices and I just cant get a scenario (sim wise) where crit is that valuable
strange python
Back in the day a top player used to have "armory gear" for lolz/fool people, maybe thats not a thing these days ๐
hollow stone
Some people still do. But logs kinda stopped that troll since logs show gear worn when killed
strange python
fair point
shrewd folio
@Ikx#6432
fringe narwhal
@spiral escarp dungeon slice doesnt take anything into account. It's slightly only made to fit pugs with small pulls really. So you can look in the simc github and find this information but basically it fights a boss for 140 seconds or slightly longer than 2 minutes. Then you fight a trash pack between 4 and 6 for 15 seconds. And then you fight a pack of 2-3 for 30 seconds. Then those two alternate for little over 3 mins or 220 seconds. Total time the sim does is 360 seconds or 6 minutes. So it favors smaller target counts with recommendations
tidal jetty
@spare flame i usually prefer crit gems/enchants on my gear since its good for all 3 specs, in all scenarios (Y)
vast forum
except pvp
fading wigeon
@strange python ah gotcha
dark crag
Pvp is a minigame like petbattles
obsidian ridge
I can not copy my rogue on the ptr, so I can't check out the new dungeon azerite pieces. Is there a list of the traits somewhere? Couldn't find anything
primal gazelle
many high rogues are most likely enchanting crit and gems for m+
esp if theyre twitch streamers, prob streaming m+
no one really streams uldir nowadays
round harbor
Uldor ResidentSleeper
primal gazelle
i also tested SS on ptr last night. I did 10 openers with just GGG and nothing else on both live/ptr server, same exact damage each time with very little differences
plain jacinth
that's good, so it will only be a slight nerf for single target (since it's always 18 seconds now, won't be effected by extra time added by pandemic)
unless the new ss dot has its own pandemic timer?
also I'm guessing it will show up on meters as its own dot now?
primal gazelle
will test in a bit
wow theres a new pvp helm that has EB or SS, + SOB as choices
all our top 3 traits in one piece lol
quaint flare
pvp 
shrewd bough
haste loses value anywhere from 11%-15% depending on your stat spread
so it makes sense for it to be your lowest secondary at 18%
weak creek
1 ss, 1 dd, 1 archive
shrewd bough
how many origination stacks are you simming with? 18% haste + 10 stacks means your haste percentage skyrockets so it loses value that way
shrewd bough
yeah origination stacks won't be a thing in the new raid tier so you'll have an idea of how to itemize going forward
if haste is losing value so early in the xpac i can't imagine prioritizing haste in later tiers
spice surge
All stats are good for assa, you basicly just go for ilvl and/or sockets
people are so obsessed over your stats but they have such a minor impact on preformance
brazen nimbus
If im running 2x echoing blades, do i wanna use Master Assassin in m+ ?
and when do you wanna chose crimson tempest instead of bomb?
spice surge
!ct
prisma monolithBOT
There is no specific week or affix that makes one or the other more viable.
CT vs PB is mainly down to your group, the dungeon itself and your pull sizes, with PB naturally having an edge in boss fights.
It's mainly the combination of affixes and dungeons that favour one or the other. High Tyr KR/Temple favour PB in general, due to low pulls and harder bosses.
In terms of Exsang vs TB; Exsang wins since it works well with SS traits and it's only 1 global on your priority target for some burst damage and extra energy.
TB usually locks you to that target to gain the most out of it.
scenic nacelle
Whatโs your other trait?
brazen nimbus
some shit trait
its not SS
think its a vendetta one or something,no luck with chest since its just a alt so far
final stone
if you dont have ss then no needt to go subt
i would reccomend trying to get at least one for m+
brazen nimbus
Yeah trying too, Just decided to gear this as my 3rd split alt so
But since im blasting m+ atm i wanna get a bit better
final stone
for sure for! also 3rd split alt dam son!
karmic ingot
The best performance I was able to get from echoing blades was running 2x EB, 1x Archive, and using MA, TB, and PB. Trash pulls were basically just FoK x3 during the MA window, then rupture and then normal FoK + Rupture multi DoT. If there was a target with high health after getting a bunch of ruptures out, Iโd TB and then pump some envenoms into it, but usually I wouldnโt bother with TB except for bosses. Boss damage is still decent because MA, TB, PB is a good talent build for single target anyway.
brazen nimbus
its not decided yet if we can make it but we are going to try so i wanna make sure its ready if it happends, i doubt it tho
Alright alright
How many targets do i wanna keep kupture up on?
rupture*
karmic ingot
You need like 3-4 to cap energy regen. Honestly though, I just put it on everything that looks like itโll live more than a few GCDs.
brazen nimbus
And just garrote on CD?
karmic ingot
Envenom has value in AoE for the extra deadly poison procs, so ideally once you have enough ruptures out to cap energy, envenom is your go to.
You shouldnโt even bother with garrote unless itโs like < 4 targets most likely.
If youโre not running SS + subterfuge, and you donโt need the energy regen, garrote becomes pretty low DPE.
brazen nimbus
Alright alright
Ty ! gonna try it out:)
Also in raids, do i wanna use master or sub if i have 0 SS+
Thinking ST
pallid spruce
anyone play mahhar orc ?
maghar
i might reroll from orc to Bloodelf of maghar orc
or* not of
final stone
i think im going to go from NE to KulTuri!!!
quick echo
Aye
primal gazelle
so apparently EB proc doesnt scale with agi?
is this old news?
im spamming fok on a dummy on test server,
without putting any ruptures up - (no EP) eb hits for 2282,
with 4 full ruptures up - 2254 ish agi - eb hits for 2282
but it scales with a vers trinket wtf
marble hemlock
thats just how basic game mechanics work, yes
karmic ingot
That makes perfect sense to me @primal gazelle. Azerite traits do some amount of damage that scales with ilvl, not attack power. Versatility multiplies all damage, regardless of how the damage source scales indecent of vers.
marble hemlock
the basedamage of the ability gets calculated through AP, since all abilities scale through AP now
then you add the "bonusdmg" from azerite traits
then you scale that final damage through mastery/versa
and that damage then gets dynamically scaled through haste/crit
marble hemlock
nope
magic fossil
Hi guys, how do i know if its better to use toxic blade or exan? It is based in second atributes?
cerulean junco
What is the assault reward today for US?
open moss
Hey Iโm relatively newer to wow and I am a 368 il and my average dps is about 7k I was wondering if someone could help me and see if my rotation is wrong or if I need to change thing.
sacred citrus
check the pin at the top
open moss
Idk what you mean by that lol... I newish to all of this
sacred citrus
are you on your phone or computer?
peak musk
is there any m+ raidbots string?
open moss
On phone rn, but I can go on my pc if need be
sacred citrus
nah you don't need to
SIN GUIDE HERE--> http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/ FAQ IN PINS-->
click that ling
link*
open moss
Ok thank you
fringe narwhal
@peak musk not really. Theres dungeons slice but that focuses more on small pulls. Another option that is the old classic is to sim boss damage and sim multiple bosses for trash comparision and meet in the middle. You can go with hectic add cleave but that is more like the Antorus high command fight in AtBT in legion. but because dungeons and strats may differ theres no perfect way to sim m+
peak musk
kk thx
haughty sand
So guys question what seems to be top spec next tier?
civic palm
๐ฎ
uneven bolt
for 12 ML, whats better? CT or PB and eb / archive / ss or 2 ss / eb?
trail bronze
For fortified ML trash I would go CT
modest garnet
Do you guys skip crippling on sanguine weeks?
round harbor
I keep it on cause I have a obnoxious weakaura that cover like half my screen if I don't have two posions on
bleak spoke
Crippling slow doesnโt slow enough for sanguine to heal if tank is kiting
Only coc and dnd make problems
old knot
hello fellow rogues. PB or CT for KR?
round harbor
Pb
old knot
danke
rough halo
so my stat weights keep changing between sims, without me changing anything.... am I doing something wrong? :S
polar cape
Rng pull to pull probably
bleak spoke
It shows sidegrade variance
It probably means your prio doesnโt matter in ST so you might as well gem for aoe?
compact raven
@primal gazelle read the wowhead tool tip damage for EB is calculated off of a base plus vers has nothing to do with attack power
grizzled orbit
Could someone give me an opener or direct me to one when using Master Assassin with x2DD traits?
spice surge
The guide in the pins can
compact raven
@grizzled orbit most likely mut garrote 5x rupture
grizzled orbit
Wow @spice surge. I was just looking at your Fetid kill. Smallllll....World
rustic ether
primal gazelle
whats gonna suck is when reaping spawns mid-pull when it hits 20%
and youre stuck in combat
safe matrix
tbf shrouded isnt super impactful in that situation
but reaping is gonna make EB nutty
upper island
ban this man
spice surge
One might call him an outlaw
supple hearth
lost sentinel
does DH buff our poison damage?
lost horizon
Yeah it should
steep obsidian
you can sim without the chaos brand debuff if you want to see how much damage it costs you
just tick the bufffs in raidbots
or untick
scenic shale
!invite
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@scenic shale
low junco
you can create one
safe matrix
theres also one in #rules-and-guides
fierce pivot
so trying to catch up on azerite gear changes
Is echoing blades really as bad as these sims say?
safe matrix
its so good for AoE and m+
fierce pivot
ok I thought it might be good for M+ runs
safe matrix
smaller pulls favor SS bigger pulls favor EB
fierce pivot
What about double dose?
safe matrix
really strong for ST pretty much dead trait on AoE
fierce pivot
Does Dagger in the back proc with FoK?
primal gazelle
just did a few runs on the ptr, its gonna be straight aids coordinating with pugs to kill the last pack perfectly so you can re-stealth before the reaping spawn
dont think i got a restealth in any of the 3 runs i just did when reaping spawned
patent topaz
did 2 runs with eb yesterday and it was dogshit for the pulls we did 1-3% overall damage
then I went archive and beat the other 2 dps by 3k ๐ฏ
still pewter
Dagger in the back is ST so fan does proc it on one target tho @fierce pivot
obsidian sierra
Hi guys im new to this discord. Im really wondering if assa might have value as it has nowadays, with the new reaping affix. Get 2 eb 2 scents and 2 ss for a mix of aoe and st sounds reasonable for me but wondering how it will do in live environment or if outlaw will be the go to spec
Just because i wanna now if i need to roll for dagger in first raid week or not
vast forum
Daggers are always a good option cuz all 3 specs can use them in 1 way or another, but you need 1 slow wep for outlaw
fallow estuary
Ooof.. i was thinking about preparing other specs for dazar alor but watching the fights it seems like Sin will be the way to go
Even more then Uldir
civic palm
Correct.
scenic wraith
from what i've heard there's alot of cleaving involved, wouldnt outlaw also be reasonable good in these scenarios? haven't seen anything specific yet
fallow estuary
Cleaving in a sense of multidotting - targets often are spread
civic palm
OTL is nice when there's not a TON of cleave, or targets are alive for short periods of time.
The longer they are alive, and further spread out, the worse OTL gets.
scenic wraith
oof
civic palm
and for at least one encounter Scent + SS is going to crush, so that's nice.
scenic wraith
is there going to be a new trait for the new raid like archive?
civic palm
I believe there is one, but it's not great, 1 sec
It's like +Something while outdoors in Dalazor or something
Dunno.
Might have changed, been a while since I have seen it.
wide hedge
wasn't there a spreadsheet with all azerite pieces+traits for rogues somewhere? don't seem to find it in pins
winter moss
@wide hedge it's in #announcements if you are looking for the new raid pieces
wide hedge
Ah thanks a lot
obsidian sierra
Just also looked at the post i didnt even know that dungeon drops will also have dual class traits
I thought the dual class traits is the replacement on raid gear for archive and lm
Thats actually good
grizzled jay
Might be worth to do Mythic 0 world tour to get some dual traits for first raid day.
wise star
Prolly not, the itemlevel difference is to high
grizzled jay
Don't m0 drop 370 ( so 375 ) in new season?
timid tundra
No 340 so it would be 345
sturdy python
Yes m0 drops 370
regal tundra
pretty sure m0 will drop 370 in new season yeah
wise star
Oh, i didnโt know that
timid tundra
No it's 340 not 370 this is from wowhead
timid tundra
Oh ok thought he was ask about now
cloud iris
How do u guys feel about x2 SS + x1 SoB (with poison bomb) in m+?
Pugs dont always pull big enough for CT so ive been finding myself playing this setup basically every week/dungeon
obsidian sierra
I am doing around 18s and i play always ct except kingsrest for example where pulls are real small
I use 2ss 1arch or 2ss and 1eb
bleak spoke
Feels like sob is almost always better than archive to me
Maybe not temple or kings tho
obsidian sierra
Yeah sob is not a bad trait just dont have it on my headpiece
Mostly playing with eb tho
patent topaz
need big pulls for eb, else its not worth using
spice surge
Keep in mind when looking at EB damage in your details that it also buffs fok by a considerable amount
patent topaz
I ran it in underrot which was a mistake, completely useless
lament dove
buffs FoK by ~20% (according to my tooltip)
tough lantern
what is sob?
spice surge
scent of blood
tough lantern
ah kk
light rampart
lost sentinel
I wonder if the extra ring 370 azerite gear will be better than old 4 ring 385
cause you could get a few pieces from normal mythic right away
with luck of course
spice surge
Yes 370 with 2 traits is far and away better than 385 with 1 trait
Because the traits only get like 15-20% better going from 370 to 385
But having 2 370 traits is (essentially) like getting a 100% better trait
unluck
primal gazelle
@patent topaz EB is 20-25% of my overall dmg, youre either doing it wrong or you need a new tank that knows how to pull
hollow stone
Kinda hard to spam fok wrong imo but maybe im just the best player ever, idk
I blame the tank ๐
strange python
hey guys, can any1 help me
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/sylvanas/ryรบ# what am i doing wrong? idk where to look specfically
lost sentinel
ya u can spam FOK wrong, if you don't manage energy/bleeds properly ๐
sonic marten
comparing your logs to the top assass rogues out there, it's interesting that your envenom is your top dmg and for them it's garrote
it's actually pretty sigificant
although i wonder if kill time has something to do with it too
vestal wren
i like my nifty weakaura to show the target count ๐ (https://wago.io/NyFFoF1mQ)
sonic marten
your fight is 1 minute 30 seconds longer than these other rogues and you cast garrote 6 times less
and your opener is kind of weird - i think it's usually garrote rupture garrote vendetta mutilate rupture
and when you vanish you're not double garroting to extend the duration of the empowered garrote
fickle viper
@strange python you're wearing EB azerite trait for Taloc, but you wont get any value out of it on an ST fight. You also vendetta 15s into fight, after your TB window. Vendetta = more dmg. TB = more dmg. Vendetta + TB = even more dmg.
high siren
mind = blown
fickle viper
http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/
read that. you'd need this opener with the azerite from the taloc pull, but if you can get SS trait then check the other openers
outer ruin
With a 6 target patchwerk of 40 seconds, I'm only getting a 2% difference between PB and CT (I have x2 scent of blood, no SS traits available). For this week being so kite-heavy, do people suggest I just go CT and learn it? I'm much more used to the braindead PB, but know once I pick up SS I'll likely swap
obsidian sierra
Ct is better in most of the dungeons
Pb will never make up as much overall dmg percentage as ct
Mb in tyr week but also not all dungeons
solid nova
!ct
prisma monolithBOT
There is no specific week or affix that makes one or the other more viable.
CT vs PB is mainly down to your group, the dungeon itself and your pull sizes, with PB naturally having an edge in boss fights.
It's mainly the combination of affixes and dungeons that favour one or the other. High Tyr KR/Temple favour PB in general, due to low pulls and harder bosses.
In terms of Exsang vs TB; Exsang wins since it works well with SS traits and it's only 1 global on your priority target for some burst damage and extra energy.
TB usually locks you to that target to gain the most out of it.
outer ruin
Ok. regarding how to play CT well, with large pulls, how many ruptures do you have out before you CT? Keeping in mind I'm pretty combo point starved since I have no SS
obsidian sierra
First spender is ct