do we use hidden blades or crimson tempest with EB
#assassination
unborn vale
pallid jay
When I swap to echoing blades on sim I lose like 2% damage and gain 20% with EB
From shrouded
unborn vale
you said the same thing twice
pallid jay
One is from icy the other is a raidbot sim
I guess they same the same thing just wanted to make sure it wasn't some anomaly
near willow
eb got nerf stick
unborn vale
already?
near willow
yep
tropic rover
Sims are updated for EB nerf?
half tartan
Is everything else good with SS / Crimson tempets?
near willow
i dont know about sims. but theres def a nerf live
harsh sphinx
got to use it on heroic zul briefly before nerf, was cool lol
near willow
did a +10 earlier and simply destroyed all trash. went off for a bit and relogged in the added dmg on the bonus fok spray for azerite gear is > 50% reduction
fringe urchin
what enchants on weapons rn ?
near willow
berserking and mongoose
pallid jay
Lightning and blood enchant ❤ ❤ ❤
old quartz
pallid jay
LOL
primal gazelle
meeeeeeeeeeeh
pallid jay
Plays their own game btw
sudden brook
HAHA
near willow
like do they not even hire interns to test this shit
sudden brook
thats why were here
surreal lodge
SS for the expansion boys
pallid jay
Gotta resim
elfin valley
anyone done any keys with EB? If so how did it go
near willow
its nerfed now but prenerf trash died in an instant
sudden brook
its simming pretty poorly now 4heed
near willow
and its teeming fort week lol
hollow bridge
this game is fundamentally fucked for this expansion, worst its been in terms of balance for a long ass time.
elfin valley
wait rly where did it get nerfed?
primal gazelle
Pug Freehold 13. 3x Echo 390/375/390 with MA and HB.. Not very impressive imo, my ST damage was shit too. back to SS 😦
sudden brook
https://www.wowhead.com/news=289131/the-top-undocumented-changes-in-patch-8-1-tides-of-vengeance @elfin valley
near willow
hotfix
elfin valley
was there like a note anywhere maybe a reddit post?
quiet crescent
I did a 2x eb before the nerf in a 17 ad. And popped off for 100+k on the big pull before the third boss. Was bound to be nerfed.
elfin valley
oh my b didnt see it ty
sudden brook
npnp
dense axle
hey guys, very quick question: is the Echoing blades nonsense with the talent Hidden Blades to be good?
lost sentinel
I did a quick 10, wasn't very impressed and the pulls were pretty large.
civic palm
14% of total damage... not impressive... OK
cedar kelp
this expac has been so resident sleeper for rogue
unborn vale
they could have atleast not made it dogshit :/
elfin valley
i assume raidbots doesnt have that updated cause its simming it better rn
lost sentinel
14% is pretty impressive lol, also not counting the base damage buff to FOK
cedar kelp
yea its impressive on trash
civic palm
This is some dumb shit I am reading O _O
cedar kelp
but negligible on ST
civic palm
It's made for trash...
lost sentinel
I didn't get near there with 1 EB
near willow
you guys had to have done it post-nerf. cuz it wrecked trash. awful for st of course
dense axle
when you take EB, do you need Hidden Blades to make it good?
coarse knot
No
primal gazelle
nah
lost sentinel
well, I was running 1 archive + 2SS before, not having a SS head piece, so I'll prob continue EB for now
dense axle
neato
pallid jay
Rip didn't get to play it :(
lone hamlet
Echoing blades on zekvoz?
wispy leaf
EU cant have fun PepeHands
elfin valley
Sims are saying its better but would that just mean sims isnt updated?
verbal blaze
how is the new world boss trinket?
elfin valley
75%
dense axle
holy fuck
pallid jay
-75%
dense axle
god damnit
lost sentinel
I was in a dungeon... and after the dungeon was like... this trait sucks ass... and it turns out the trait was nerfed and broke by the nerf until I re-equipped it... so my dps sucked hard that run
pallid jay
Gutted
wispy leaf
And subterfuge still bugged?
pallid jay
Sims look like they're old
strange python
No new seals of fate this week? /sadface
lost sentinel
u maxed out?
woven compass
If you're in EU this week its because the reset hasnt happened yet
strange python
ah makes sense
nova viper
Fun fact, you can kill the world boss multiple times for 385 loot
woven compass
Really now
lost sentinel
damn heheh
I guess I'll go back to archive
they should put pre-nerf EB on the list just for laughs
pastel wasp
What’s the diff beteeen this one and the previous FOK talent
woven compass
This one made packs explode
near willow
you can spam kill the new world boss for loot? lul
cobalt gyro
this one was hilariously overtuned
cobalt gyro
I imagine they're going to make it a bit better
because otherwise what was the point lmao
pastel wasp
I should be more specific - what’s the diff now since it’s been ‘fixed’
cobalt gyro
it's quite low
lost sentinel
they reduced the bounce damage
cobalt gyro
it's not SS
civic palm
It's fine now, broken earlier.
primal gazelle
whats the difference between 200k burst and 50k burst
nova viper
Yeah you can spam boss
cedar kelp
its blizz... at this point nothing would surprise me, theyre gonna just leave SS rest of the expac
pallid jay
What boss gives 385?
primal gazelle
world boss
lost sentinel
fine? it's a rather niche trait that's at the bottom of the list
primal gazelle
@nova viper how long ago did you do it
near willow
cool thanks will go slay him for honor
nova viper
going on my DH now
cedar kelp
@nova viper enjoy the ban
nova viper
You think so?
civic palm
Will probably just have the gear removed.
meager nebula
That’s a hard exploit abuse, so if not a ban then a roll back
lost sentinel
both traits seem bad based on hero damage, nothing personal is 4th from bottom on single target
pallid jay
Still sitting on SS lol
lost sentinel
hey, we have SS+SB pieces to look forward to at least
pastel wasp
SB? Blood?
lost sentinel
scent of blood yeah
lost sentinel
nah
pastel wasp
FOK broken end of legion
cobalt gyro
anmyone else g etting hella lag on mythrax
lost sentinel
oh, I can make 370 engineering head piece 🤔 might be better than archive for M+
zinc terrace
i run everything else in wow on 10
cobalt gyro
i never had the issue before
zinc terrace
i only have it on mythraxx mythic though
i dont remember it happening on heroic when we did that months ago
zinc terrace
do you perhaps run with a 1050/1060
their driver update has a performance decrease apparently
don't think it has anything to do with it anyways since it's only mthraxx for me
but you never know
cobalt gyro
1080ti
dense axle
the forest trinket?
cedar kelp
interesting
spiral escarp
i've got a 385 with socket and it sims higher than fathoms
pastel wasp
Sockets too valuable
lost sentinel
that's my feelings as well
old lagoon
also regardless of feels i think mfd is behind vigor, too
lost sentinel
hero damage has SS top of the list with the caveat that it was sub/MFD, but no sub listing alone
sleek iron
Man why is nothing personal so low on herodamage
On raidbots it’s better than blightborne for me
Who to trust fk :/
true ingot
sterile bane
For np you want vest?
wispy leaf
Is it intended that the weekly PvP chest doesnt give u any titan residuum?
supple hearth
yes
sleek iron
Yes @wispy leaf only weekly dungeon chest
spice surge
@sleek iron #tc-updates
wispy leaf
So you can still loot azerite items in the PvP chest? And with season 2 415 on Max Rating? =D
sleek iron
@spice surge gotcha thanks!
spice surge
Yes seldom
wet oxide
Its sad i couldnt try echo blades at full power. How are they now after 75%nerf
ornate gazelle
Is Echoing Blades updated in simc?
sudden ravine
looks updated on herodamage
and it's ugly
They introduce 2 new azerite traits, and they are the bottom 2 simming primary traits in all scenarios.
Idk why the even bother
honest needle
is srouded good for single target again because it shows it top on ravenholdt site
winter moss
vanish no longer proccs subter? what?
honest needle
they're fixing it
upbeat elm
Fixed
honest needle
why does ravenholddt website say that shrouded is top for single target still
is this true .?
ornate gazelle
No
upbeat elm
Says only go for them if you are still playing bleed build
ornate gazelle
I imagine the new Nothing Personal trait with Master Assassin and like Double Dose and stuff is gonna be best.
For ST
rancid bobcat
ornate gazelle
It's not feelcraft that NP does a lot of damage, you can read what it does. now HOW good it'll be for ST is what we're all waiting for in sims
ornate gazelle
i'm running 2 eb and 1 ss rn and it's doing a lot of damage
unborn vale
thats what im about to try
prime stirrup
I run 2xss 1xBI
ornate gazelle
with crimson tempest
clever mural
How EB actually working?
prime stirrup
its been nerfed
clever mural
Cause in details it's nearly 0 damage
ornate gazelle
nerfed but still good in m+
prime stirrup
ehh. i just did huge pulls in 16 SoB and it was only 5% overall dmg
ornate gazelle
EB and NP aren't correct on herodamage
unborn vale
how many eb did you take shanksy?
prime stirrup
I had 1xeb. only one i had to test with
primal gazelle
anyone remember how much scrapping a 385 azerite piece is worth?
ornate gazelle
yes i do @gusty kestrel until there are actual working sims. who doesn't?
nice simc in your brain. impressive
gtfo lol
worthy moat
Got a 380 Galecaller's Boon on my Rogue today in cache. Any good for Assassin?
unborn vale
lol
long marlin
nice bait homie
ornate gazelle
tisumi it'll be okay bud just wait for the sims
worthy moat
i'm being serious..... I don't ever play Assassin but while Echoing Blades is a thing I will probably need to for M+
ruby idol
EB gonna fall about in line with SoB in value in M+ assuming most of your packs are 5+ targets
SS with subt will likely remain the play
ornate gazelle
yeah def still run SS in m+
unborn vale
over eb?
ruby idol
Giga pull will increase the value but mist gigapulls come during tyrannical week
And i dont know if i can stomach EB on high tyrannical
Most*
We're 1 day in to testing and maybe ill end up wrong but thats my feeling rn
unborn vale
is it just me or is tisumi just here to be toxic
ruby idol
Because you need big packs for it to get good value
And the flat damage is not quite enough to play a trait that gets no value on bosses
SS gains its value by being versatile and useful in almost every situation
I did say why
Instead of just throwing out
1 of NP is mandatory
When it isnt
ornate gazelle
don't listen to tisumi @ruby idol try stuff out today and most likely tomorrow all the sims will be updated and stuff
wet oxide
Underrot start can no longer be shrouded now?
supple hearth
friendly reminder personal insults will get u in trouble. carry on.
wet oxide
Yeah read it just now and im pissed as well as happy sorta
finite whale
Why you gotta do this to us, Blizzard
frank shard
just the beginning*
buoyant kraken
does anyone have a link to the EB nerf? would like to see how much it is
wet oxide
Cus last time i knew grp is gona wipe and they did. 3 times
ornate gazelle
goodness tisumi lol
ruby idol
M+ is feelycrafting
long marlin
xd
cunning needle
lamp is that the rankings from mythic+?
ruby idol
The dungeon slice sim is a great starting point
But will never accuratelt represent each dungeon
Or how differeny groups pull
Or where damage is pad, and where its useful
You feelycraft for m+
sterile bane
For add week run 3 ss for boss week 2 ss and 1 np?
honest needle
2 ss is still best for m+ right
strange python
@cunning needle yep +15
sterile bane
For np what if you have high vest and run master poison
somber hill
is NP's energy regen stack or no?
strange python
From yesterday
clever mural
BTW what first of 5 crit strikes in EB tooltip means?
unborn vale
@strange python whats that photo of?
nimble tartan
ret burst is p crazy rn
pre nerf echoing blades a ret was keeping up with me on a meaty pull
both 100k+
strange python
@unborn vale +15 ranking from yesterday
unborn vale
so the meters are from m+?
cunning needle
how did ret go from bottom middle of pack to top lol
ruby idol
1 day of logs when very few top groups are playing
nimble tartan
im pretty happy with how nothing personal performed in raid today
fringe phoenix
did garrote get buffed?
nimble tartan
i thought it wouldnt be so good but it does hecker damage
clever mural
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/rKNfQ7Lh2CGgxtpJ#fight=34&type=damage-done&source=13
This happened before nerf you talking about?
nimble tartan
yeah im p sure the nerf happened around 6:30 PST
bronze topaz
can someone link the eb changes?
prime stirrup
id go so far to say that all sin logs from raid today were bullshit. the vanish + subterfuge bug was awful
nimble tartan
actually like around 6:40
cause i was in raid doing trash 150k then the next pull it stopped working
prime stirrup
I was hitting vanish and sitting afk for 2 seconds for mythrax pulls tonight
nimble tartan
no Eb procs at all so i havent tried it with reduced value
prime stirrup
was soo sweet. really loved the gameplay from blizz
cobalt gyro
what was that thing about ret pally up there
nimble tartan
ret paly have big trash damage rn
unkempt karma
Any blues about the nerf to Eb?
And how much is the nerf?
timid spear
75%
quaint flare
^
unkempt karma
For real?
honest needle
is eb still best talent to usre
prime stirrup
no eb is probably not the best talent to use
unkempt karma
So did it just die or still decent?
prime stirrup
its almost dead
quaint flare
might aswell be
prime stirrup
MP hasnt been best since it stopped interacting with bleeds
timid spear
"Echoing Blades was nerfed by 75%."
old lagoon
https://gyazo.com/054169331277f2243e4b2740b0f1a55f 2x EB 1x SS for TD 15
prime stirrup
yeah EB is shit for sure now. i ran 1xeb 2xss in 16 siege and it did 4% of my overall
old lagoon
Though TBF im not using MA im using sub, which will make it a little worse but probably not that much
quaint flare
i'll just stick to 1 scent 2 ss for now
cunning needle
were you running MA or sub clay?
old lagoon
sub
cunning needle
so usual ss rotation
unkempt karma
Just go dh for aoe xD
cunning needle
with a lot more fokking?
old lagoon
Yeah was just trying to empower FoK since you spend a lot of time casting it
ruby idol
Thats inherently the problem with eb vs ss. One wants subt while the other wants MA
cunning needle
well m+ we typically want to stack crit anyway don't we?
if only blizz didnt just blanket 75% nerf
and instead made it not stack as well
prime stirrup
for fort weeks yeah stacking crit/mastery is best bet
for tyran weeks in high keys its important to have haste at a reasonable level
old lagoon
Yeah i just use raid gear in tyrannical weeks
rough fog
So we go SS on m+ adds week?
old lagoon
SS is always a safe pick
Was testing 1x NP, 1x Scent, 1x SS earlier too and it didn't feel super bad, the energy is nice at the start to keep building to rupture everything on packs w/ priority target
strange python
can someone link EB nerfs
old lagoon
lean coral
@strange python was on wowhead it was just a 75% dmg nerf
strange python
rip didnt even get to play with it a little
honest needle
looks like im staying rogue thank god they didint change much, I wanted to play feral but they made feral druid even worse
fringe estuary
Is echo still better than ss now
old lagoon
need tests to know for sure but prolly not
fringe estuary
Rip. Didn't get to abuse it
lean coral
i sim higher in sub now over sin
even tho i only have one FD trait
the energy regen is insane
lean coral
yeah idk why bloodmallet says more than one
im using one FD and the other was Inevitability
left wolf
y thats the best i think
left wolf
yea
vast forum
Haven't seen you around here before
dusk jolt
Morning (or whatever time for you it is insert appropriate time greeting)
does anyone know if the change to the formula for double dose
[569 * (1.27 * (1 + Versatility) * 1.14)]
Does the versatility section report on rating or % do we know?
left wolf
😄
worldly mantle
Did EB get nerfed?
coarse knot
Yes
vast forum
Blambalam here btw, been a raider for a while now too
coarse knot
75%
worldly mantle
Rip
left wolf
lol from meackos rbg 😄
coarse knot
It was pretty broken tbh but a 75% probably was just way to much
dusk jolt
so there has been no change in the double dose trait?
coarse knot
I’d say 30-40 woulda been fine
velvet kernel
Now the new traits are just meh
worldly mantle
FeelsEUMan
coarse knot
But I’m pretty sure everyone is gonna stick to 3x Ss or 2x
dusk jolt
I was thinking of running with 1 of the new vendetta traits for raiding with 2 SS or 1 SS 1 Archive (in uldir)
vast forum
I would just run 3xEB in its original state
coarse knot
Nah you lack so much ST
late moat
so best for m+ atm are 3xss or 2ss 1 eb or 2ss 1np ?
vast forum
Np not worth in m+
vast forum
This week 2xSS+SoB probably
coarse knot
^
vast forum
Also depends on dungeon tbh
coarse knot
Or if things die to fast just run 3x Ss or 2x Ss with 1 archive but eh
Yeah that also
vast forum
Sob loses value in kr
coarse knot
Loses value if things die to fast
But for this week if you can run double SoB I’d say for like 10+ keys
cunning needle
why is nothing personal so strong for ST? tooltip says 10k damage which doesnt seem like much
vast forum
Scales with mastery and vend amp
lost horizon
Cause it's free and during your biggest dmg window
vast forum
Also the energy
cunning needle
ahhhh
so 1 NP, 1 Uldir, 1 SS should be pretty stronk then?
would love to get rid of my DitB
lost horizon
Depends on pieces, sim to see what works for you
jaunty crystal
It simmed poorly for me 😦
vast forum
I think 2xSS will always be best for me cuz nelf 🤷
vast forum
I should go horde cuz of the massive imbalance in the playerbase
But meld is hard to say goodbye to
high siren
NP sims poorly indeed, way below DD for me :<
polar timber
nice so troll man i guess rogues are not allowed to do aoe this expansion
wet oxide
SS works if garrote is applied from shadowmeld?
dreamy fiber
So, just woke up, did EB get hard nerfed yet?
vast forum
75% @dreamy fiber
dreamy fiber
Still decent then
vast forum
Probably not good enough to warrant losing a ton of st
cunning needle
nah SS is better again now
dreamy fiber
Most likely since SS headpiece seems missing from my loot tables xd
vast forum
There is 1 ss helm in the game
ebon garden
11 weeks to get a targeted azerite piece if you do 10 keys 
vast forum
Save currency for 3 months to buy it
ebon garden
1 ss helm and i got it from chest
dreamy fiber
Is there a chart for m+/essence anywhere
vast forum
Maybe you should do higher than 10s then @ebon garden
ebon garden
i cba with doing more than 10 all the bfa dungeons are boring as shit
vast forum
I cba putting in effort, give me rewards! 😭 😭
scenic quail
are nightly sims updated for 8.1 changes?
covert epoch
go the roosters @scenic quail
covert epoch
always
dreamy fiber
My biggest issue is I can just blast on my DH with unoptimized shit and do more dmg with less effort than my rogue
cunning needle
arent the rewards after doing +10 like 1 extra residue or something
solid nova
Not yet, hotfix changes applied #tc-updates @scenic quail
cunning needle
per lvl
scenic quail
thanks @solid nova
cunning needle
ahhh
bold sequoia
Is it true that something was nerfed hard to make people change their talent choices? Im running 1 ttb 1 arch and 1 SS for raiding. is that bad?
bronze kelp
hm... "for each of the first 5 critical hits" what does this exactly means ? first 5 after a fight begins ?
is this trait worse when the fight goes longer ?
polar timber
no it means that it can proc off of like 15 targets
ya i think its just dumb that they are more focused on nerfing this trait than fixing the subterfuge bug
coarse knot
That’s been fixed
vast forum
If you crit 7 targets with same fok, only 5 will proc the trait
scenic quail
anyone got some feelycraft from raiding today about how the new azerite trait is performing vs. double dose?
polar timber
and wtf is sub aoe
scenic quail
shuriken combo passive removed
bronze kelp
but actually sub does more aoe now ^^
yeah, but it was source of subs heavy prio dmg not aoe dmg
polar timber
i feel like differentiating prio aoe and just flat aoe in terms of sub is dumb cause it doesnt really matter too much at the end of the day aoe is aoe
high siren
tell that to zul 😛
winter moss
sin is going to rock zul anyway lol
old lagoon
1x EB, 1x Scent 1x SS in FH 14
polar timber
i hope they maybe come back off that eb change a bit like 55% would be nice
looks like you might aswell not even have eb in there
old lagoon
yeah and its probably one fo the better dungeons for it
nimble tartan
did u have ma?
old lagoon
Sub, but even with MA it won't be that much higher
nimble tartan
ye prob not too much
knotty lichen
I don’t know if CT is the best choice for an EB build, wouldn’t be better with poison bomb?
polar timber
i personally cant stand ss so i want any excuse to switch out of it sadly it seems like thats a no go
old lagoon
IDK that CT and EB don't match
polar timber
hidden blades actually simmed highest for me in dungeon slice with 2xeb
vast forum
Ct and sob don't match well
ornate gazelle
@old lagoon what was your overall damage
old lagoon
27.49M, 16k overall
ornate gazelle
so is EB simming correctly on raidbots?
sand canyon
hey guys quick q, since there are rumors and i didnt tested it yet, does 3x eb work or is it nerfed?
knotty lichen
Hidden blade sounds kind of clunky for m+ imho, you never really have a chance to let it stack
vast forum
It works, is just bad
old lagoon
yeah HB is pretty bad
sand canyon
why is it bad
old lagoon
I tested it in a temple earlier
sand canyon
gonna test in like 30m
vast forum
75% nerf
sand canyon
just thaught sounds op
old lagoon
you wind up with only really getting benefit the pull after every bosses
knotty lichen
75% nerf
knotty lichen
Today
vast forum
Undocumented yet
knotty lichen
Between NA update and EU update
vast forum
Will probably be in today's hotfix notes
old lagoon
it's probably still your best bet to run 2x SS and a scent or 3x SS for keys
knotty lichen
But if you try it @sand canyon can you give us your feel afterward? Can’t watch your stream at work
sand canyon
sure
3xss always godlike
1sob in fortified especially teeming in somedungeon will be better slightly
so if u wanna play sob especially this week its the strongest
visual quartz
Was rolling 1 piece for mythic mother adds, felt a differance
old lagoon
I've run 1 or 2 EB in some 15+ keys today and it's always a really low % of damage
knotty lichen
What your crit rate @old lagoon ?
tribal shuttle
1x Eb and 2xSS could be good for M+
echo night
how is the new apothecary trait looking for assass in M+?
old lagoon
like 30%~ with spyglass and dice as trinkets so a little higher actually in fights
knotty lichen
Same as me, I would be curious to get a return from someone who’ve run 3EB + MA instead of sub but I don’t believe it will be a huge difference after the nerf
old lagoon
i was running 2 with MA in a temple earlier
tribal shuttle
Eb already got nerfed
old lagoon
it got hotfixed during our run and it was like
tribal shuttle
so rip
old lagoon
gimme a sec
signal salmon
are we running 3 ss again?
old lagoon
fuck nvm we didn't log that one, but it was really low.
signal salmon
whats the reason of increased dmg
unkempt karma
Only got 2x 375 ss
signal salmon
they didnt buff it
old lagoon
no exact numbers but it was like 10% of overall damage even with having it for the first 3-4 packs in temple
normal spear
SS tooltip just shows correct numbers now, not buffed
civic palm
Yep
knotty lichen
Yeah right, so we’ll stick with 3SS or 2SS 1sob
civic thorn
whats the 385 wb everyones talking about
knotty lichen
Dark shore I guess
civic thorn
any portal there or just fly from sw?
knotty lichen
Dunno
old lagoon
Horde has control first
civic thorn
o
old lagoon
Er, has the world boss first.
civic thorn
aha
civic palm
Gotta farm the items for the transmog on alliance O _O
civic thorn
they didnt touch bfield focus right
low ruin
Hi a question with 8.1 vanish will no more proc subterfuge so in single target is subterfuge still best talent cause in fight we didnt geht into stealth again or am i missinderstand something?
knotty lichen
It’s a bug
void yarrow
It's fixed
untold cargo
so nothing has changed for m+
sand canyon
did someone tested
3x fd for sub m+ yet
should be good with ns
so we have atleast 12% prio
low ruin
Ah ok ty 😊
unreal isle
so they didn't change SS damage, just the tooltip?
civic thorn
theres no way you run 3x instead of 1 replicating meme 2 tfd
cobalt gyro
isn't it just not simming well because it's not working as the tooltip says
warm sable
So now we cannot put garotte on 3 targets after Vanish ??????
untold cargo
fixed.
civic palm
Where's this information coming from!? o _O
knotty lichen
It was a bug
warm sable
Why that was bug you are restealthing with Vanish lol fucking blizzard
pallid snow
It has been a bugged on PTR for 2 months, they finally acknowledged it..
gusty plinth
does Nothing personal shows correctly in sims?
warm sable
So basicly no changes in our game play at all ?
pallid snow
Which isn't bad imo
grim schooner
nothing personal changes nothing in our rotation, but im not complaining
late moat
i'll use np in kr prob
dark lantern
@gusty plinth from the #tc-updates channel, NP is not displaying correctly in sims.
strong sundial
and EB? nerv already sims correct?
nimble tartan
np is working fine in raidbot sims
just on herodamage on the chart its not displayed properly
vital haven
herodamage is still not updated no?
gusty plinth
@dark lantern okay thanks
spice surge
dark lantern
That's what I meant to say, the sim charts* my apologies
If I reference something, always click the reference, I'm a dumbass who doesn't word good :p
rose sapphire
Nothing Personal = NP? Is that the new trait which is the bis for ST atm?
civic palm
Yes the last tests done on PTR had NP tied with DD and the such, current Herodamage numbers will be updated within like... 4 hours?
nimble tartan
ye i got a decent taloc parse and dd and nothing personal were within like 5k damage of each other
overall
3.88% and 4.01% with 1 each
quiet horizon
anybody got an addon to track dots or ontop of enemy frames
nimble tartan
plater does it
high siren
I use kuinameplates
knotty lichen
Platebuffs
pallid snow
0
devout glen
not worth even for a fortified teeming week?
civic palm
APPLY A DOT... stupid gif
knotty lichen
Or flyplatebuffs maybe, name has changed I think
nimble tartan
plater is super customizable made by the details dude
civic palm
Plater also has one of the worst GUI's ever fucking made.
nimble tartan
its a lil tacky
quiet horizon
🤔
civic palm
Yeah it's very nice but the GUI needs some work.
pallid snow
I use ElvUI with custom filters for ghuun spawns/explosives
And debuffs/buffs also customizef
Works for me
quiet horizon
would kuinameplates conflict with elvui
elvui has been fucking with me lately so, kinda need something new for the dots tracking
pallid snow
Nope, just make sure its disabled in ElvUI
rose sapphire
Guys im using this WA but the timers on rapture and garrote is not displayed anymore after this patch 8.1 what could fix it
quiet horizon
dang thats pretty nice
pallid snow
Should be fixed
civic palm
Also not a thing anymore IIRC.
quiet horizon
damn id like to have that wa
quiet horizon
can always replace it
pseudo finch
probs better to put vanish where PB is and track the heal
unborn silo
Which traits and Talents should we now use in m+
nimble tartan
this mine it does the job https://i.imgur.com/36L2kjn.png
very simple not alligned im a bad boy
civic palm
"that"?
nimble tartan
it tracks my cds ok
odd wing
quiet horizon
what are you using for the dots ontop of enemy frames
civic palm
Just have it track your CDs further to the right lul
nimble tartan
my garrote timer stopped working
odd cargo
is Raidbots updated with the EB nerf?
civic palm
o _o
unborn silo
Do we now play with EB after that nerf?
unborn silo
So i run the same Gear like 2xss 1xsob or 3xss?
rose sapphire
did they fix EB yet?
timid spear
nerf 75%
solar abyss
so not good even over shroud suff? lol blizz
coarse knot
@nimble tartan what’s the enemy frames addon you are using to track timers??
covert sedge
thoughts on NP vs DD? Currently running x2DD x1 Archive for uldir, would X1 NP x1DD x1arch be better?
old lagoon
NP sims pretty low right now from what I’ve seen
proper dagger
I got this from my chest, but do we want vers? Or did that just get better in 8.1?
latent field
looks like a good candidate for the scrapper
proper dagger
I have a 370 now
latent field
Only titanforged, no socket? Literal trash.
nimble tartan
tfw i only have 6 sockets
latent field
@pastel vault :^)
gusty plinth
subterfuge bug fixed?
civic palm
yes
latent field
yep
pastel vault
👏
mighty sphinx
Echoing Blades still broken?
civic palm
No
mighty sphinx
F
pastel vault
i mean it was ridic you could just solo everything
mighty sphinx
I wan't that 😃
latent field
I'm actually happy it's not top tier, would suck for the aoe rotation to just be FoK spam
hybrid kernel
Is it still a good trait for m+ tho or completely useless?
proper dagger
Did ass get any good new tier 1 traits we gotta swap out?
latent field
Not that I know of, of course you should check herodamage/bloodmallet regularly within the next few days
proper dagger
Yea will do of course
pastel vault
not really, master assassin + new vendetta trait can kinda work but I dont think it's better than current bis setups
nimble tartan
ye its p hot i think dd and np are basically the same
pastel vault
we'll see soon though
coarse knot
It adds a lot to burst window
nimble tartan
vendetta one has a bit better application in aoe fights where u dont mut as often
it mantains its value
cause they do very similar damage st
old lagoon
The energy gen is kinda nice too for keys to help get initial dots rolling
coarse knot
What does everyone think of the new alchemy trinkets??
latent field
Fair, but I've always found the 3 garrotes followed by a rupture more than enough. Taking a gcd to put vendetta on a target thats gonna die soon feels bad 😦
@coarse knot the ones that you can craft now are comparable to the 355 darkmoon-deck
coarse knot
Even the 385?
latent field
Yeah, simmed it this morning
coarse knot
So then spy glass and dice would still be better?
pastel vault
what's the name of it?
latent field
Emblazoned alchemist stone
coarse knot
Proc*
red portal
!changes
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Changelog: http://www.ravenholdt.net/quick-guide-to-rogue-changes-in-8-1/
old lagoon
Let’s, there are definitely some trash mobs where you can safely or even want to vendetta in a majority of the packs. Mechs in ML, witches in WC, zerkers in Kr. Especially this week as keys go up. It’s maybe not ideal but it’s also not really wasted
nimble tartan
latent field
Wait, is nothing personal just trash tier?
coarse knot
No
nimble tartan
NP is berry good
nimble tartan
its as good as dd
old lagoon
^
nimble tartan
looking over my logs from today NP usually was better than DD over the bosses I did
old lagoon
Is subt still playable with it or is it like a huge damage loss to not go MA?
rain ibex
How good is EB after the night?
nimble tartan
but dd was higher on some bosses
latent field
Is herodamage just in need of an update then?
pastel vault
latent field
oh nice
pastel vault
huge combo sim with talents and azerite
nimble tartan
just wait till the next ring
coarse knot
Yeah gonna be crazy
pastel vault
I guess at 5min the extra vendetta could increase the value of NP
deep dawn
did they nerf/fix EB?
coarse knot
Yes
deep dawn
good...that was borderline gamebreaking...how is it doing now?
coarse knot
Seeing people with 3x DD with like 3x NP Jesus that’s gonna be insane
nimble tartan
wooo
coarse knot
It’s nerfed
nimble tartan
rogue seems like its gonna benefit a shitload from double traits
coarse knot
By 75%
nimble tartan
i know most clases will
coarse knot
Oh yeah
nimble tartan
but for st rogue seems p hot
vital haven
not very exciting though lul
nimble tartan
sin was never the xciting rogue spec tho
coarse knot
Or in m+ seeing triple SS with triple SOB
Timers
The amount of combinations is endless tho tbh
pastel vault
basically everyone is going to have different combos next tier
coarse knot
Oh yeah
nimble tartan
gamers rise up
coarse knot
I’m already thinking some I wanna try
nimble tartan
dam i just enchanted and gemmed all crit but then i remembered im gonna lose all my haste from RA
frick
pastel vault
LUL
winter moss
75% less good than ptr
rose sapphire
Guys my Array is going between haste and crit depending on procs, is that bad or do I want to aim for constant Haste array?
lusty narwhal
stoic rover
does anyone know if thers a 385 version of the imbued engi helmet that u get after crafting the 370 ones? since the 385 base engi helmet needs season 2 cores
old lagoon
There is carnage
stoic rover
so i craft the 370 one first
old lagoon
You make the 370 and then should learn 385. I can’t confirm it’s 100% chance but myself and a guildie got the recipe first craft
stoic rover
aight thx
old lagoon
@rain ibex I ran 1x EB 1x SS 1x scent in a FH 14 and it did like, 3% of my total damage. Did 2x EB, 1x SS in a TD 15 and it was like 7% maybe. It’s okay but probably worse than 3x SS / 1x scent 2x SS
old lagoon
Yeah
velvet kernel
so nothing personal is doggo?
old lagoon
It’s not necessarily bad to play EB but it’s not optimal I’d say
civic thorn
no sims for new alch stone?
coarse knot
Don’t think so
civic thorn
385 version is equal to fathoms?
seems unlikely given 300 ilvl stone beats 50% of 340 trinkets
quick ice
sims lower than fathoms for me 😦
shrewd bane
manic burrow
By 75% it looks
bronze kelp
need to test it on m+ today
pallid spruce
did EB get nerf in EU or same as NA OP
pallid spruce
still best azerite trait or that nerf fucked evrything ?
bronze kelp
maybe SoB, SS and EB in combi is nice
clever mural
Everyone looking for overall EB damage but what about FOK increased damage?
pallid spruce
so many other classes got boosted but not rogue
coarse knot
I mean rogues where never in a bad spot
So it’s kinda understandable why we didn’t get a buff
strong sundial
We can happy about didn’t get any nervs
coarse knot
Once double main traits come out shits gonna be bonkers
cobalt gyro
thats when the fun begins
shrewd folio
is eb still broken?
civic palm
no
wet oxide
Ur not the only one 🙁
pastel vault
is frog mount worth? 🤔
wanton mortar
whhat u guys think from the Shadow of Elune trait? a chance to proc 715 haste for 15 secs
got the 385 piece from wf
wanton mortar
uldir trait still sim 2k higher than that one, nvm then :S
strange python
zinc furnace
sorry guys, back from a break. is echoing blades new azerite trait or it was here before?
strange python
Wtf this mean?
jovial goblet
subterfuge is fixed. ive ran 3 dungeons with no problems.
unkempt karma
Did you read whay rain said?
strange python
yep
glacial steppe
patchday yikers
tough egret
trinket from new world boss any good?
tame stratus
nothing person or the elune trait from the new warfront chestpiece guys? 😃
hollow ivy
Is there any bis traits set for m+ or nothing change?
quick ice
385 simmed a bit behind a fathoms for me JAmes
tough egret
oh fathoms lol
strange python
Still stacking 3 Times SS in m+?
verbal blaze
does anyone know how strong/how high the proc rate is on the new razorleaf trinket?
frigid halo
For uldir raid trait still 2x SS and Archive for sin this patch?
deft spire
Yo people!
Do you think it’s worth going for x2 nothing personal traits or nah?
verbal mantle
Do you guys know simcraft ?
this comes really handy when you want to know which piece of stuff/traits is the best for you
sims are updated
tepid socket
@quick ice raidbots forest trinket gives you 696 haste only. ingame it's agi + crit. don't know if it's just a visual bug or raidbots isn't updated for this trinket
verbal mantle
https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/
You can use this site too, but it's not updated yet, you can see update dates
quick ice
@tepid socket confirmed in raidbots discord that's a tooltip issue and that's its correctly simming crit at this time
tepid socket
great to hear 😄
quick ice
I mean, its a bit disappointing, because if it was simming wrong it would mean the trinket might not be garbage? 😦
385 beaten by fathoms is not really what we want to see happening
timid grotto
any1 else having trouble with updating elvui ?
topaz notch
i sure do have some problems with that
timid grotto
got the newest version in my addon folder but ingame it still says my version is out of date
quick ice
so this is probably a dumb question, but I assume you put it in the new addon folder, given they changed folder structure?
pseudo finch
@timid grotto check your wow folder and see if there is a retail folder
timid grotto
there is
pseudo finch
odds are the games is running the addond from the retail folder rather than the addons folder you are placing your addons in
stone crescent
Bloodmallet HAS to be wrong, but do you guys think stacking 2x EB+1 shroud is the way to go for M+ now?
no way its as high as bloodmallet says
Like, worth dropping 1 SoB for 1 EB?
topaz notch
whats EB?
stone crescent
Echoing blades
prisma lark
from what I understand it has been nerfed already
pallid snow
I prolly just keep 2x SS 1xSoB or 3xSS
pseudo finch
ya 1 EB seems kinda pointless tbh
topaz notch
what u guys think about the new vendetta trait?
quick ice
can't say I've had the time to look into M+ setups yet, so I have no opinion to offer, just what people said earlier
strange python
So how do you play EB ?
shrewd folio
Get bleed up for enegery regen and spam fok it seems
bright vessel
how do i scrap azerite gear for the currency?
jovial fractal
Im still unsure for when to even run CT?
At the scrapper or disenchant @bright vessel
patent topaz
only works during full moon and when your faction controls both warfronts
bronze kelp
when to run CT? when u have many big pulls
if you only have 2-4 mob packs -> PB
if you have 6+ mob packs -> CT
if you need more boss dmg, PB is maybe also a thing
cobalt gyro
I do tend to take CT for like, King's rest, even, though
A lot of pulls with forced disconnects, so i like the extra dot damage
gilded crest
is echoing blades fixed already? really doesnt do that much damage for me
pallid snow
it's been mentioned for the past hours, yes it's been nerfed
jovial fractal
@bronze kelp thanks for reply. I see sometimes it being run it really high keys even with only 3-4 but im guessing thats just the huge HP pools? I mean im just doing 7-10s
gilded crest
its ass, been fixed
bright vessel
has raidbots been updated?
devout moth
guys for high mythic plus should i go SS or EB?
buoyant coyote
is it worth stacking nothing personal?
cobalt gyro
Been aiming for 2x ss 1x eb personally
quaint sequoia
any nerf to EB yet?
cobalt gyro
Hours ago
sterile iris
why the fuck does raidbots still say poisoned wire for the new vendetta trait
is that a bug?
or is it not up to date
buoyant coyote
hybrid kernel
longer range if you jump with fok/shuriken?
lone junco
A bit.
vestal wren
if you use a trinket you lose stealth without subterfuge proc
steep obsidian
use trinket when?
brazen prairie
good to know ty
vestal wren
just means dont bind your trinket to vanish ^^