assassination

[strange python]

ToS as well

[royal lantern]

@primal gazelle fel barrage is 3 buttons?

[primal gazelle]

eye beam death sweep fel barrage

the 3

but yea will prob swap between SS or Echo depending on dungeon/week

[vestal wren]

@primal gazelle well dh + rogue are atm in a good position m+ wise

[lost sentinel]

anything that crazy stand out is gonna end up being nerfed heheh

[vestal wren]

ye maybe

[lost sentinel]

So does echoing blades replace the old trait on old pieces of gear?

[vestal wren]

yes

[supple compass]

which of these 3 would u guys take in m+, 385 dice, 380 motherlode trink, 375 galecallers

[primal gazelle]

yea i have a both a DH/Rogue above +1500 IO

[slim olive]

Dice for sure

[primal gazelle]

playing the dh is significantly easier/more fun than the rogue

[vestal wren]

dh has a lot of controll abilities

kind of buffed that dh also adds the magic damage amp

[supple compass]

so dice and galecallers? do you guys macro galecallers to anything or just on cd

[slim olive]

I dont think you should macro it in m+

since there might be sudden movement

[lost sentinel]

I use dice and galecallers, GCB on cooldown or right b4 exsang

[slim olive]

You want full control of when you use GC

[lost sentinel]

for raids I run toxic blade, so GCB on cd or right b4 toxic blade

[strange python]

2nd galecaller lines up with 3rd tb?

nvm its like 10-15 sec off

[rigid sonnet]

how do u guys do stat prio for dungeon setups? is there any way I could set up raidbots to sim weights for dungeon scenarios or smthn like that?

[primal gazelle]

sim for 5 target, 40-60 secs and check stat weight

without lust, array, battle shout etc

[rigid sonnet]

sounds good, will do

[lost sentinel]

you can sim dungeon slice with stat weights

[rigid sonnet]

what's that and how?

[lost sentinel]

change patchwerk to dungeon slice

[vestal wren]

dungeon slice is a fight style

[lost sentinel]

teeming is next week... and echoing blades is next week... seems good

[vestal wren]

yes sin gets quite some good additions

2 new strong traits

[clever raven]

Not sure how I feel about Nothing Personal

[fringe estuary]

Do you guys find assassnation on the more difficult specs to preform well on?

M+

[vestal wren]

not rly

[spice surge]

It is fairly hard in large aoe situations

[royal lantern]

more stuff too look out for if you want too go 100%, but the base gameplay is not that hard

[spice surge]

ST not so much

[royal lantern]

but tbf, there is no´´hard´´ too play class in wow, the fights are the difficult part, classes are easy

[vestal wren]

some classes are punishing

[spice surge]

I mean, keeping track of multiple ruptures/CT/vanish garrotes is a lot harder than eyebeam

[vestal wren]

sub on zul is atm a horrible fight, if you need to run away f.ex. you lose massive amounts of damage or if you cant use every gcd efficiently

[visual quartz]

I guess if your asking if there is more thinking involved then yes, but rewarding as well

[fringe estuary]

Yeah that's what i was referring to actually.

Punishing

[vestal wren]

sin is not punishing

[fringe estuary]

Assassnation

?

[vestal wren]

sub is punishing for your group strategie or secret technique use

outlaw depends on how well you can line up your aoe cd's with the packs

sin is the more forgiving one that plays out relatively straight forward

overall its not as simple as DH

[primal gazelle]

it should be less punishing with the echo trait since all you do is fok spam

[vestal wren]

well you need to maintain rupture and garrote too

[primal gazelle]

truuu

[vestal wren]

8.1 TL;DR Assassination changes:
Assassination stays largely unchanged but gets 2 new strong Traits.

Traits:
(new)Nothing Personal - Strong new ST trait.
(new)Echoing Blades - Strong new aoe trait

[delicate crater]

so is Simcraft publishing changes already? When did Feral jump up their list to #1?

[vestal wren]

you can use ptr=1 in advanced simulation

just put it on top of the sim

[delicate crater]

so is that what they are doing on the Simcraft site? showing ptr data?

[vestal wren]

herodamage will update soon™

if you put ptr=1 on top of your simulations it will use ptr data

if not, it will use live data

[radiant storm]

So Crimson tempest or still poison bomb for m+

[echo cargo]

New vendetta trait looking good?

[fleet whale]

It got nerfed in a recent ptr build, which makes me believe that it was op before. But otherwise idk

[trail bronze]

are the azerite trait updates to stuff like shrouded suffocation ( 234[234 * (1.27 * (1 + Versatility) * 1.14)]) just tooltip changes (e.g. that's how it currently functions on live already)?

[vapid moth]

Does the fact that shit scales with vers now really change anything?

[trail bronze]

probably

[spice surge]

It only changes the tooltip, it already scales

[vestal wren]

@fleet whale value of first one seems quite good

see

[normal spear]

2 weeks ago got 2x 385 daggers from mother, today got a 395 one. feelsgoodman

[bronze kelp]

gratz man

wonder if the new traits can outdamage SS in m+ scenarios

[fleet whale]

that seems pretty decent. Also, "mythic keystones can no longer be deleted"

[bronze kelp]

oh :/ missed that info

[fleet whale]

i don't know if it's actually old news or not but i saw it on the Tides of vengeance notes update

https://blue.mmo-champion.com/topic/1104470-tides-of-vengeance-update-notes/

[alpine rain]

official notes where just posted on Wowhead too

[glacial steppe]

Does anyone know if the ilvl from M+ weekly gets increased on wednesday?

[shy escarp]

don't think that happens until the raid comes out in january

[glacial steppe]

ok but we will get curreny for vendor?

[shy escarp]

yes, we get vendor currency

[rare jackal]

@vestal wren is that pre or post nerf?

[echo cargo]

Shuriken Combo (baseline passive) removed.

monkaS

[plush jetty]

the aoe itszelf got buffed though?

[echo cargo]

Yes.

Are there updated sims for new Sin traits?

[kindred chasm]

im ready for tomorrow

[elder gulch]

why is the new trait that good?

[shrewd bane]

so finally,; they didn't keep the up of dd

and ss

[sturdy python]

It just does a lot of damage

[wicked owl]

question - will sin pull higher vs sub on ST ? or how close are we talking about

[sturdy python]

Probably depends how powerful subs new traits are

[lost sentinel]

I'll be either 2SS+1echo or 1SS+2echo

kind of a direct upgrade since I am running 1 archive, 2SS

it's definitely a loss on single target I guess, but not huge I think

[wicked owl]

from what i am reading so far isnt echo mainly for aoe?

so if thats the case we could still go 2ss + new ST trait or go 1ss + 2 ST trait

[spice surge]

Its only aoe yes

Cant have 6 traits

Until raid

[pastel wasp]

wait

u guys talking about uldir still? or new raid

because youd still want to use archive/lazer for array

@wicked owl

[wicked owl]

new raid

nothing personal seems very sexy

[civic palm]

Nope replace it all, garbage trait.

[pastel wasp]

lol

looks like its going back to legion sin soon

[arctic venture]

Tomorrow will be season 2?

[smoky fiber]

no.

Jan 22.

[arctic venture]

Bettah

It would screw up my raiders io score

[grim valley]

Are we really playing Echo tomorrow even on ST guys?

[strange python]

uhhhh

This hurts

[pastel wasp]

prob not

[strange python]

FoK for ST???

[pastel wasp]

^^

it worked before though

[grim valley]

Ye man, bring back fok

[pastel wasp]

for a short period of time

flyinggggggggggg daggerrrr stacks

rawr

[grim valley]

Was insane, wondering if we can see the same tomorrow

[civic palm]

No.

_> wtfisthisshit

[hexed sail]

BL debuff goes away when starting a new M+ ?

[arctic venture]

What is the best traits for m+ sin?

At moment

[velvet kernel]

SS

[pastel wasp]

depends on the level

scent of blood is good for high keys

but SS generally good

[velvet kernel]

i would say at this point ss will be best

[sand ledge]

Mythic uldir exasang vs TB ?

[spare flame]

depends on your gear

[sand ledge]

Like my traits or just stats?

[flint swift]

Traits are probably more important

I run 2xSS 1xArchive because a) I like the playstyle better, and 2) the damage difference is negligible

[pastel wasp]

both are same

lol

[scenic nacelle]

So what’s the verdict on Echoing Blades

[fleet whale]

it's good

[severe nymph]

I’m looking for a great set of starter daggers for my newly lvl’ed 120 Assassination rogue. Where or how to get them is the question. Any thoughts?

[radiant fossil]

you can get one with 500 conquest point, 345ilvl

[celest mirage]

I wonder if that new fan of knives trait will be any good

[lone junco]

@severe nymph Use all coins in lfr on Mother.

Then mother normal. Then mother heroic. Then mythic.

[flint swift]

Zul also drops a dagger

But the mother one is tasty

[civic palm]

She's also way easier.

[sturdy python]

Can probably buy 300 ones off ah for cheap if you're that bad off atm

[civic palm]

Get lucky in Warfronts.

[river prawn]

Thoughts?

[civic palm]

What about it?

[lone junco]

I wanted poison wife to not suck. I like crit.

[civic palm]

Nice fucking icon for Vendetta w/e website that is.

ooooooobby

[lone junco]

🍆

[rustic ether]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[rustic ether]

reinstalled wow and forgot to note what addons/WAs i had setup feelsbadman

[civic palm]

woops

[ember forum]

My fellow assassination brothers. Im applying to a new guild - is this a good photo that i drew?

[civic palm]

#off-topic

[daring vale]

Are we gonna be forced to run master assassin for echoing blades to be worth or is it still gonna be good without it?

[civic palm]

Not sure how just proccing it once would matter, but probably not.

1SS 1SoB 1EB to start with, stack them as high as you can.

[onyx falcon]

just catching up here... but anything on why sprint isnt on this list? (I realized its incomplete but just curious if anyones said anything yet) https://www.wowhead.com/news=289027/movement-and-utility-spells-removed-from-the-gcd-in-patch-8-1

[marble hemlock]

cause its already off-GCD?

the bluepost only lists spells that currently are triggering a GCD, but wont after the patch

[robust lake]

whats the thought process re energy pooling before envenom

[civic palm]

You get to 35 energy and then press Envenom baring nothing is coming off CD soon or there are no DoTs that need reapplying.

[desert vault]

Is the NP going to replace existing gear with PW or only on new pieces?

[sturdy python]

Existing

[desert vault]

Cool. The new aoe, forget what it's called, is that replacing a trait or just new altogether

[sturdy python]

All new traits are replacing old ones

NP replaces PW, Echoing blades replaces the old FoK trait

[cobalt gyro]

nice, i got a 390 echoing tomorrow thenm

[grim mason]

what up boys anything new?

gg

[civic palm]

There's a patch tomorrow, that's new... I suppose.

[primal gazelle]

echo blade is god tier rn

[dusk sun]

is SS trait getting buffed for 8.1 it seems?

[little burrow]

No, tooltip update

[grim mason]

hmmm

[dusk sun]

I see

how good is echoing blades gonna be?

[hollow jungle]

Probably nerf worthy

[civic palm]

inb4 first crit only

[cobalt gyro]

just dumpster nerf it

[hollow jungle]

Such a stupid thing that aoe trait would be bis no matter what

[civic palm]

Still depends on crit scaling and target number, a small numbers change on damage scaling could pretty easily make it not great @ under 7 targets.

[spice surge]

Its not bis on st lol

[civic palm]

Yeah that would fall under the required number of targets, haha.

Still nice on bosses that spawn adds though 👌

[peak juniper]

How do i look at my sim on raidbots to show me how it's doing the rotation?

[steep obsidian]

you can click on the detailed report

full html report even

then its under action priority list, sample sequence table

[supple hearth]

@primal gazelle please don't multi post in channels looking to recruit someone. Use #wow-general and post it once.

[primal gazelle]

guys

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2XjmTEJT-A

rogues bursting for 1m at peak

[visual quartz]

that ptr with the new knives azerite?

[primal gazelle]

yeah

he might be using 415s tho judging from his hp

[long marlin]

Whens the patch going live in us? Like how many hours

[primal gazelle]

live by 6pm eastern

[marble elm]

@primal gazelle i had 1 370 and 2 415s

[sonic trail]

any weakauras up to date for BFA?

[civic palm]

Yeah most of them.

[peak juniper]

on your second round of cd's with vendetta and vanish, hgow do y'all prepare for it going into it?

i keep getting it all awkward where i don't have it in the right order or like EP is all weird

[empty tide]

Fan of Blades is becoming echo blades right?

[west cove]

yeah

[empty tide]

nice! i got double 390

[west cove]

with MA that can be hectic AOE the insane crit potential

[nocturne gate]

did na hit 8.1 right now ?

[vapid moth]

"Hey guys pull the whole room"

"Nah I promise itll work"

-Sin rogues this week

[civic palm]

tank dies because the healer isn't magic you pop evasion and scream until dead

SIN this week

[untold cargo]

yay back to farming 370 caches and having my 385 raid gear rot in bag

[vapid moth]

^

Unless you have that sweet vectis gear

[untold cargo]

perma lockout till ghuun dies

no chance

[vapid moth]

Damn that's unfortunate

[untold cargo]

ripme

[signal summit]

Are there any Sims for nothing personal trait ?

[primal gazelle]

who need healers when u can bring 4 rogues with echo blades

@marble elm thats you in the vid? hah

[marble elm]

yea

[cobalt gyro]

oh man i can get a 3 stack of that trait tomorrow

[pastel wasp]

Nice I DEd all those 385s with crap traits ages ago

Sad panda

[peak juniper]

Should you ever hold toxic blade for vendetta, vanish burst and vice versa if they're coming up within a certain amount of time of each other?

cause during my rotation my TB eventually gets out of sync with my vendetta vanish

[untold cargo]

too many ifs there, i usually hold tb for vendetta and always vanish

tb window is flexible as vendetta lasts 20 seconds

[primal gazelle]

i wonder if its worth using 340 echo blades just for the 3rd stack

i got 390 helm/chest echo blades

[peak juniper]

so hold tb if vanish and vendetta are coming up within basically 20seconds type thing?

[untold cargo]

not 20

[peak juniper]

how much time then?

[untold cargo]

25 sec cd on tb

how long is tb window

9 or 10

8

[peak juniper]

9

[untold cargo]

k

so...

if you just used tb

and vendetta is up after window closes

16 secs left on cd...

so hold it about 10 secs max

oops no

[velvet kernel]

I’m so sad I’m ey by going to be able to use broken echoing blades

[untold cargo]

you can use vend with 10 secs left on tb cd

bc you can just tb in your final vend 10 secs

[velvet kernel]

You should not have to wait long at all for tb though

It’s like a 20 sec xD

No?

[untold cargo]

25

[velvet kernel]

So max should be like 10 sec

[primal gazelle]

I am almost 100% confident that echo blades is gonna get nerfed

[untold cargo]

yah

[velvet kernel]

No it’s fine

[untold cargo]

ofc it is

[velvet kernel]

Leave it like it is

Pls

[untold cargo]

sin is so weak needs good new trait

4head

[velvet kernel]

Yes

[primal gazelle]

They nerfed unholy trait that allowed them to burst 300k, this new trait burst for 1m lmao

[velvet kernel]

Idc

[untold cargo]

415 gear!

[velvet kernel]

Let us burst high

[untold cargo]

so sad abt sub

[primal gazelle]

I hope they let it stay live for at least a day

[velvet kernel]

They fucked sub

[primal gazelle]

So I can push some 20 keys with this op trait

[velvet kernel]

Let us have this

[untold cargo]

glad i learned sin

[velvet kernel]

Learning sin omega lol

[untold cargo]

went from 2/8 800 io to 7/8 1600 io in a month

spec balance btw

[velvet kernel]

?

That’s not about spec lol

[untold cargo]

big part was picking up sin

[velvet kernel]

Unless u can solo raids idk

[untold cargo]

sub is niche it helps

try finding a prog guild thatll let you fool around on a weak spec on trial

uwotm8

[velvet kernel]

Weak spec?

[untold cargo]

yea sub is subpar on most fights

just check logs

not zul obv

[velvet kernel]

Eh

[uncut marsh]

Could someone give me a link to this echo blade trait everyone’s going crazy over?

[snow orchid]

https://www.wowhead.com/news=289122/tides-of-vengeance-8-1-official-patch-notes

[uncut marsh]

Thnx buddy

Oooh that looks spicy, does this mean I’ll have to stack crit for Zul now though?

[civic palm]

Sounds like a bad idea.

[spice surge]

Trait is 100% getting nerfed, probably before it even reaches eu

[patent topaz]

3% wipe on ghuun, I hope we can still extend on wednesday otherwise its yikes

[wet oxide]

Echo blades looks fun

[vestal wren]

both new traits look good

tho i expect nothing personal to be relevant in 8.1 with 6 traits instead of atm

[spice surge]

No, for a maximum of 5 crits

So if you crit on 6 targets, its still only 5

Scroll up and watch the video dayviene linked a couple of hours ago and you'll see how stupid this trait is

Its gonna be nerfed before it hits eu though

Sadtimes

[civic palm]

Can pretty easily do pulls that large with good tanks, and doing that much DMG isn't really OK.

[light narwhal]

yikes time to get echo traits items

[spice surge]

Yeah, some of them were 415, but still

[nova viper]

So i have 3 pieces with echo. Should i just boost my fuckin IO tomorrow?

DO you guys really think it will be hotfixed?

[civic palm]

187k health, probably 415's

[spice surge]

So its not gonna be a 1M burst

But even if its 500k, its still hotfix worthy

[civic palm]

Even if it's 30% of that > _>

[nova viper]

So using it is as simple as spamming fan of knives?

[coarse knot]

Whelp time to destroy every freehold possible lol

[frigid sleet]

yet another day where I'm glad I play NE

[crimson lantern]

Does anyone know if emissaries/honorbound contributions reset with the patch?

[royal lantern]

after i saw that vid

how the fuck can shit like this leave the test phase lol

and EU pleps like me probably cant have fun with it cus its hotfixed by tomorrow:(

[pallid snow]

We'll see

^

And Vanish would prolly reset the crit counter

[vapid moth]

So does Shadowmeld 😏😏

[molten cosmos]

What do you think about the new vendetta trait for tomorrow?

[frigid sleet]

no slot for it after stacking these juicy EB

[molten cosmos]

EB?

[pallid snow]

Echoing Blades

[molten cosmos]

Ah lel you think it strong?

[pallid snow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2XjmTEJT-A

[molten cosmos]

Goin to check this

[pallid snow]

and the trait itself: https://ptr.wowhead.com/spell=287649/echoing-blades

[elfin plaza]

ETA on hotfix 😛

[molten cosmos]

God

But just a question

You stacked 3

But what are your stats?

Or his stats dunno if it is you

[pallid snow]

Not me

[spice surge]

Just get crit

[molten cosmos]

The proc is only on the cast or if a proc crit it can also make an other proc etc...?

[spice surge]

Its only on cast

[warm parcel]

You thought sub was good with plenty adds?

off

[brisk forge]

No way we in EU will enjoy that b4 hotfix XD

[warm parcel]

Ill give it a few days

SS took so long after all

[brisk forge]

Yeah prolly

[frigid sleet]

nowhere near close to this tbh

[warm parcel]

Oh it was

SS was even better pre nerf

[solid nova]

Pre nerf ss was beyond busted

[warm parcel]

And also was borked for ST

[vestal wren]

you mean totally balanced 😛

[warm parcel]

Like assa should be 👌

[frigid sleet]

he is pulling 1.1M on 10 mobs

[warm parcel]

Now, does anyone have an actual log with echo?

[pallid snow]

yeah, but will take 8 hours to finish

[warm parcel]

Oh that was still ptr?

Right

[pallid snow]

Yep

[warm parcel]

I forgot when na resets

[pallid snow]

NA maintenance starts in 4 1/2 hours

Start: 11 December 2018, 7:00 AM
End: 11 December 2018, 3:00 PM

time is in PST

[molten cosmos]

SS for single or 2 target will be OK imo even after the patch

[warm parcel]

wtb pst to eu times

+9

[light narwhal]

4 1/2 hours from now

[molten cosmos]

EB will be more about boss with lot of adds to clean or mm+ like ML

[warm parcel]

Ill eat my shoes if echo isnt nerfed quickly

[frigid sleet]

screenshottedd

[warm parcel]

I can see echo being alright postnerf but SS is still solid for 5 mans

[vapid moth]

Sin is the new sub.

[vestal wren]

@warm parcel

[vapid moth]

Drag the ads to the boss and grind them both down

[warm parcel]

Yea its +10 for my time

[frigid sleet]

its like Area damage from diablo 3

[warm parcel]

This is bit diff than sub cause itll kill the adds quickly

[frigid sleet]

we diablo3 now boiz

[warm parcel]

Way faster than sub willl

[vestal wren]

both sin and outlaw got a potent new aoe trait

[molten cosmos]

Outlaw has good up for AoE

[ebon sedge]

current gear will have new replaced traits?

[vestal wren]

yes

[old lagoon]

Would you guys play 1x SS, Vendetta, and FoK for next patch? assuming 2x 385 and a 370, or 2x SS, 1x Vendetta? or is there another setup you think is better for 15+ keys?

[vestal wren]

the vendetta trait is st oriented

i would say no for m+

[winter moss]

gotta find pieces with fok + ss trait

[old lagoon]

I mean, you get vendetta up every other pack maybe and its nice for priority dmg

[vestal wren]

true

[old lagoon]

like zerkers in KR or mechs in ML

[vestal wren]

tho you probably want another EB trait instead

[warm parcel]

Just grab 3 echo and win game until nerf

[old lagoon]

guess my other option is 1x SS, 1x SoB, 1x FoK

[winter moss]

antorus flash backs

[old lagoon]

or 2x SS, 1x echo, or 2x Echo 1x SS

[frigid sleet]

I would like to see how hard a boss melt if under vendetta and in a middle of a trash pack that you spam FoK on

[vestal wren]

just looking at the m+ fight style Echoing looks like you def. want it

[winter moss]

5rings come at jan 22/23?

[old lagoon]

think it's worth taking tempest still next week or going YOLO crit and poison bomb?

[vestal wren]

ye we stuck with 1 ring for now

[winter moss]

heck

[vestal wren]

one way to push gear once new raid releases

this probably means you wont spend your new currency any time soon

[winter moss]

wont anyway

[old lagoon]

Eh i mean they're drastically increasing the amount for new raid

[winter moss]

guild freaked out that they gotta refarm azerite pieces bc old ones wont be updated to 5rings

wtf moment ensues

[old lagoon]

seems to be about 4x cost for a 400 ilvl piece, so if its 2-3 weeks for a piece doing a 10, means by jan release you've missed on 2 385 gambles to shave 1 week off the purchase time

might be worth to gamble if lacking in current slots

[vestal wren]

new system has some potential abuse cases

where guilds now could potentially channel gear into players to get currency

while doing +10 on alts to get enough currency to do the same in normal/heroic week with the new raid too

[old lagoon]

interested to see how worth pushing high above 10 is

[winter moss]

never thought of that tho

but channel gear into rerollers for a better start into new raid sounds legit

[vestal wren]

its an extreme approach, so nothing the majority would do

[old lagoon]

Yeah doesn't seem bad but it is a lot of pieces for a reroll, might not make a huge difference. plus the gear has to be tradeable already

[winter moss]

to be honest most of 8/8 guilds are done and done with gearing

you can trade it

[vestal wren]

you can buy 400 random piece for a slot for 8.1, having 2 pieces allready means you have low chance to not be able to trade

[winter moss]

but the fact you are giving away currency will stop this

[vestal wren]

tho it depends on pricing, would need to know exact prices to make a calculation (guess we will see them soon)

[molten cosmos]

Well mm+ will be 3 EB most of the time imo. You just will have to adapt regarding the dg and the affixes but having 3 EB will not be an option anymore. Get some SS too for tyrannical weeks then you're godlike

[winter moss]

ya americans need to provide screenshots

[molten cosmos]

2 EB with 1 SS will be fine I think we will have to test both

[old lagoon]

I've got 2 EB 1SS right now to use, was looking through restoration for a 3rd piece with EB randomly but didn't see one

[spice surge]

You dont want EB and SS though

Because EB wants master assa

Or well

[molten cosmos]

What about tyrannical weeks?

[vestal wren]

not nessecerly

MA is powerfull tho

[old lagoon]

hmm

have a 385 chest with poisoned wine on it might try 2x EB 1x Vendetta

[vestal wren]

i just wait for ppl trying to abuse sub on zul tbh

[old lagoon]

scent of blood seems strong too though next week

hmm

[winter moss]

sub rogue rofl stomp zul died with this patch

and im grateful for it

[strange python]

For my eu Guild we will firstkill zul tnight and extent Till nee Raid 😂

[winter moss]

prolly the better idea

[vestal wren]

i hope you got enough rogues

[winter moss]

[strange python]

We got 6

[winter moss]

ez

[vestal wren]

oh thats plenty

[strange python]

And brought him regularly in below 10%

[winter moss]

300k dps with 6 rogues on zul

rest goes afk

[vestal wren]

well we had the issue of crugs dying even in later tries

[strange python]

Yeah about 40k each cause twinks

Yeah fuckinh DH wont Stop eyebeam

[vestal wren]

while it was better on kill, i still think ppl feel forced to pad on them

[winter moss]

either that or bench

[vestal wren]

logs on zul are 🤷 so

who cares

[old lagoon]

is simc updated with echo blades?

[vestal wren]

those allstar point cheesers do

@old lagoon you need to use ptr=1 in advanced simulations till raidbots is 8.1 ready

[old lagoon]

Cool cool ty ty

[unkempt karma]

So is ut worth to gamle these kyckling weeks or do de save? Patch releases in EU tomorrow.

Gamble*

Azerite traits* god damn auto correct

[spice surge]

Depends on what you want to do

You're (probably) not gonna get a full random 415 from saving

[unkempt karma]

I well raid and m+

I don't need that, but 3x 385 ss would be nice, or blades for ST

[old lagoon]

You will not get a 415 from saving, almost without a doubt. the blue post said they were gonna drastically increase the rates & such on raid release to discourage hoarding

personally ill probably gamble cuz i like to know whats in the box but it might save a week off the time to buy one by saving currency

[spice surge]

If anything the most worthwhile is to save so you can buy 3 pieces (as high as possible) when the raid releases

So that you get double rings asap

[dark crag]

You will barely buy a random 415 one

You get 53 to 88 per weekly chest and have a chance to get 355 to 385 azerite pieces to scrap in uldir

385 ones cost 675 currency

375 ones give 12 when you scrap them

[spice surge]

But its gonna depend on what level you're at. If you're top 10 you prob gonna buy all gear you can get asap, whereas if you're in a top 100 guild you might go for the longcon and save for a 415 after 2 weeks

and if you're top 1000 you can just do w/e

[dark crag]

Top 100 is probably decked in 385 pieces

[spice surge]

I mean, with the amount of azerite from bosses you're prob gonna be mostly 400

For mythic week that is

[molten cosmos]

So for tyrannical what do you guys suggest? still EBx3 or EBx2 and SSx1?

[spice surge]

Its fortified this week, and EB will be nerfed before tyraniical anyway

[molten cosmos]

Ye I know but I'm looking further without taking in case the potential nerf

[dark crag]

Saving is the only option, normal and hc will give you the new ring so it isn't worth it spend it on

Better get bis piece

[sick monolith]

is echoing blades replacing an azerite power in the game or will it be some new one?

[spice surge]

Replcaing current fok trait

[ebon sedge]

it is replacing

anyone got link to ST sims with new vendetta trait?

[spice surge]

the wowhead guide has them for now

Herodamage should be updated soonish, but the new vendetta trait is about the same powerlevel as twist

Slightly more for the first one

[sick monolith]

Man i dont even hav any fan of blades azerite gear

[fiery cradle]

i have 2x fob

[ancient sonnet]

i have 3 all 390 :))

time to abuse

[slate bear]

hi, can somebody help me when and how should i use ct?

i mean number of targets

[spice surge]

3+

[slate bear]

and spam or refresh?

when under 2s

[spice surge]

refresh when theres low amount of targets and spam when theres high

High being like 10+, but i dont know the exact number

But you still want ruptures up for energy, so not really spamming

[slate bear]

oh okay thanks

i need to apply 3 ruptures right? when aoe

[knotty lichen]

Depending on the number of ennemies

But I’ve found that 3 are often the correct number

At least for medium-big packs, before spamming ct confortably

[wide delta]

garrote - garrote - garrote - rupture - fok - fok - CT - fok - fok - rupture next target - fok - fok - CT and so on

thats what I do

[knotty lichen]

Same same yeah

You can slip an envenom from time to time depending on crit % and rng

[wide delta]

yes, but CT is so satisfying man i dont know

[late moat]

tbh why use ct after patch just spam fok Cx

[knotty lichen]

I agree 😄 usually I don’t, except for priority target nuking

[wide delta]

@late moat true lol

[knotty lichen]

EU here, no 8.1 yet

[wide delta]

gonna stack some crit baby

[late moat]

same but i wait for tmrw to just go LOL FOK TIME LULZ

[knotty lichen]

Ahahah I can’t wait either

[late moat]

tbh if it's not gonna get nerfed i prob will stick w/ poison bomb and 2fok/1ss or just go ham 3fok Cx

[wide delta]

got only 1 FOK trait 😦

and 2 SS traits

[daring vale]

I only have 2 and one of them is 375 😦

[knotty lichen]

Poison bomb fok meme build with MA, 2 fok/1ss, that will be for me in the first time

[late moat]

this man gets it ^

[knotty lichen]

I don’t have any 390 fok tho, but still it should be fun

[late moat]

i have 1 390 and 2 375 can't wait for it xD

[knotty lichen]

You my man, you’re gonna have some nice piece of fun xD

[late moat]

xD

[wide delta]

but SS without subterfuge

that is shit no?

[knotty lichen]

It’s still 2 more cp on the opening

And any other stealth garrote

So every boss at least 2x

Except those with adds of course

[wide delta]

i dont know, i think with MA using an Envenom or Rupture is more worth than Garrote

might be wrong thi

[knotty lichen]

Hmm true

if I recall well a full MA rupt is the priority after vanish, I mixed my thoughts

[daring vale]

without having a 3rd EB its hard to decide what trait to run

[wide delta]

ya vanish into rupture

with MA

with subterfuge u use vanish into garrote

[knotty lichen]

Yeah I dunno, thinking about it maybe you’re right and SS will not be worth it for the cp only, I’ll have to sim all of that tomorrow and try it in m+ before I get a third EB

[rare jackal]

alright so nothing personell is doa?

[knotty lichen]

Dead on arrival you mean?

[vestal wren]

its a strong trait for st

first trait offers quite a good value

[rare jackal]

is hero damage not accurate?

[vestal wren]

oh wait

🤔

[rare jackal]

its literally less damage than echoing blade in single target lol

[knotty lichen]

Not yet accurate

The sims are on the wowhead guide, but if you try to follow their link to hero damage the values are fucked up

[vestal wren]

i doubt its 0 dps trait

[rare jackal]

@knotty lichen thats why im asking

ye

[outer yacht]

How important is ilvl with the new traits? Should I run a 390 SS or 375 EB?

[knotty lichen]

Yeah thought so, it’s probably just a matter of time before every new traits are put properly into the herodamage db

[vestal wren]

ye not everything works 100% now, so be patient

mystlers ptr sims had nothing personal quite high

[rare jackal]

is this after the most recent nerfs to it?

[regal tundra]

Was a buff, they fixed mastery and spec aura scaling

[rare jackal]

o

[regal tundra]

They had to tune down the base damage of the trait to compensate for it working properly

[daring vale]

so it scales off of vendetta and TB now?

[grim sable]

so are we getting the extra ring on new pieces that drop today?

[spice surge]

And mastery, and crit

Unsure of haste

[regal tundra]

@grim sable no

[spice surge]

@grim sable No, that comes with the raid

[grim sable]

ok, should be good to run with 2x 390 EB, 375 SS then

for early testing

[light narwhal]

that 3 EB sim on dungeons looks so nice haha

[grim sable]

so all 3 of the new raid shoulders have EB, and none of the heads

one of the chests is EB+SS

[lone junco]

Does the FOK bonus hit land with NS applied to any/all targets?

Or are we just using MA to force the crit

Will make timewalk funny with shoulders though.

Pretty sure I could stack to 40% crit if I tried hard enough.

@spice surge are there mob counts for FOK trait?

[spice surge]

what

You mean when to use fok with the traits?

[lone junco]

Mut on 4t with dd. FOK on 1 during Ma?

[spice surge]

Not on 1, didnt check for 2/3

It was like a 10% loss on 1 though, so not expecting it to be worth on 2, but maybe

[lone junco]

Will slide with crit.

Archive to crit and then we will see

[spice surge]

But the real strength of the trait comes from big pulls when you're basicly garanteed to get all 5 waves

[lone junco]

Wut

It waves per FOK crit?

8 FOK crits = 5 cps. And 8 extra foks.

[spice surge]

Only up to 5 waves

[lone junco]

That does sound juicy.

Neat.

[strong sundial]

what do you think about the new alchi trinkets for rogue?

[lone junco]

Can probably use gear compare and check. Make sure to set the ilvl.

Anyway. I'll make sure to do Zul with crit archive. And 2 FOK. See how that goes.

[strong sundial]

cant find that trinket in gear compare

[light narwhal]

is FOK trait same as EB? or am i missing something?

[lone junco]

Did you just type the name in?

[spice surge]

Yes it is @light narwhal

[light narwhal]

ty

[strong sundial]

yes, hm

[spice surge]

Prob just not updated yet

As it says at the top of the website

[lone junco]

The problem with any non haste build is the energy gain rate. The difference between my archive haste stack and archive crit stack was like 1800 energy gain over the 5min patchwerk fight.

Might have even been 2200. I didn't save it.

But it will take a lot of numbers to overcome that raw energy gain.

And stacking crit for fokking is going to be rough in st.

Like m+ bosses

[spice surge]

Yeah you will be garbage on bosses with triple eb

[lone junco]

Hi Tyra.

[fast nacelle]

hi

[lone junco]

Playing Poe?

[fast nacelle]

no

[lone junco]

I got bored and have been healing for a week or so. Mistweaver is neat.

[light narwhal]

but then this M+ week with stronger and more trash you'll have a blast with 3 EB

[fast nacelle]

let's see how eb works out

i think it ll be too strong

[light narwhal]

yeah hope so i run 3 ss now trying to get 3eb this week and try some stuff out

[fast nacelle]

how does this eb pro works

does it give you bonus cp if it crits

shuriken storm 2.0

[spice surge]

No bonus cp

Just massive damage

[fast nacelle]

pfff

weird trait to me - i thought assa aoe is fine how it is right now

interesting to implement such a trait

[bright vessel]

any nerfs to sin in 8.1?

[fast nacelle]

nop

[bright vessel]

woot

[spice surge]

Fine is an understatement tbh, its one of (if not the) best sustained aoe in the game

[vestal wren]

new aoe trait looks op

[spice surge]

Yeah that was before the new trait as well

[sturdy python]

Almost assuredly the best now

[vestal wren]

no big changes

[sturdy python]

Just sacrificing St damage feels bad. Probably won't be an issue with second ring though

[fast nacelle]

its not the best sustained aoe but def very close since SS provides dmg for shorter cleave/aoe fights

and rup/ct spread on longer

thats why i think this trait is overkill

[sturdy python]

You would run scent in sustained

[spice surge]

If you're running scents and ct it definitely is

On longer pulls that is, burst is fairly bad

[sturdy python]

I don't play high enough for that though

[spice surge]

but yeah, this trait isnt really needed

[fast nacelle]

still have no scent pieces

[spice surge]

But hey

[fast nacelle]

the ones i have i need for titans/sub

[sturdy python]

If we can trash DHs I'm down for it

[fast nacelle]

they could have added KB trait

[dusky tinsel]

hidden blades + 3 EB traits pogchamp

[spice surge]

Or a trait that actually affects rupture

[fast nacelle]

give rupture 2% chance to spread to all enemies in 40y per tick

hire me blizz i ll make rogue great again

[wet oxide]

You mean like they did with sub trait

[lost sentinel]

gotta explain to my tank that adds need to be within 8 yds of eachother, to get that sweet sweet damage

[wet oxide]

Well they usualy will be. I have to ask my tanks not to cc anything besides ghuun

[lone junco]

New trait needs to perform better than 3ss though. Maybe it will for giga pulls

[dark crag]

Welcome to the life of sub

[lone junco]

Right. At least sub is st pump.

[dark crag]

You want many adds? Forget it we cc all

[lone junco]

FOK is cleave for the sake of cleave.

My q. Is whether ns applies to the waves.

But prob not.

[light narwhal]

is there anyway to know which items are getting EB after patchday? like is a certain trait being replaced?

[lone junco]

Seli had a HB spec a while back instead of Ct. because of scent tabbing.

Current FOK trait just swaps. Right?

[vestal wren]

yes

[lone junco]

Poison wire turns to vendetta.

[light narwhal]

alright sounds fair

[lone junco]

3 FOK. 3scent. Thx.

[lost sentinel]

vendetta trait seems ok, kinda boring though

[lone junco]

Legion vendetta relic was boring. And bis.

Ish.

[lost sentinel]

I've only looked at a few new azerite pieces, one has SS + Scent... mmm

[lone junco]

Yeah. Will be a sweet spot with SS. Scent. And FOK.

Idk. The ma. Vs subterfuge will make it weird tho.

Ggg is probably more than 3 FOK crits.

[dusky tinsel]

gonna be fun running sims today

[lone junco]

The apl won't open trash with FOK FOK FOK.

[dusky tinsel]

guild doesn't want to reclear Zul with sub rogue nerf, but I linked them this and said we'll be ok fam 😄

[lone junco]

But new stuff is neat.

[dusky tinsel]

extended lockout since they saw shuriken combo nerf

errrr removal

[lone junco]

That's not boss dmg though.

[dusky tinsel]

yeah ik

[lone junco]

Or is it st.

[dusky tinsel]

nah its aoe

[patent topaz]

how does echoing blades help on st, it does nowhere near shuriken combo increase

[lone junco]

Still neat.

[dusky tinsel]

it doesn't help on st, although i'd imagine more CP from crits

just for the luls I guess

[cobalt current]

dont think echo procs generate cps

[patent topaz]

we wiped on 3% on ghuun yesterday, guild is afraid we wont be able to extend because of the patch

[dusky tinsel]

whatttt

[vestal wren]

patch might make it easier

so no worries

[cobalt current]

(dont quote me on that though)

[vestal wren]

only issue is zul probably given you need to play it propper now

[patent topaz]

both our mages playing frost, trying to convince them that fire is better

[vestal wren]

fire is only better till they nerf the op trait

then its 👋

[cobalt current]

we used to run 5x sub, but last reset just cba bothering the 3rd tank etc so we had 2 rogues go assa and rest switch to w/e char

[patent topaz]

better in execute thats for sure

[cobalt current]

and zul was a cakewalk

[vestal wren]

oh on ghuun ye

[dusky tinsel]

I think frost is better for zul anyway though, resets on frozen orb with blizzard is a pretty big ST gain from all the FoF they generate. But yeah fire is so strong

[patent topaz]

8:44 wipe on that 3% should have been dead already

people die early

[dusky tinsel]

@vestal wren does the extra waves from EB give CP do you know?

[vestal wren]

just try it out if it comes live 😉

[dusky tinsel]

"if it comes live" you expecting a hotfix this morning? lol

[vestal wren]

i dont know, ptr just changed a lot recently

so its not out of the picture to see last minute changes

[dusky tinsel]

either way it'll be nerfed relatively soon

[vestal wren]

early conclusions are fine, tho i would wait for it to be live for a final verdict

ye also that, top traits might see nerfs

[hot flume]

Sin will likely be ahead of the other two specs in 8.1 ?

[dusky tinsel]

probably

shuriken combo being removed destroys Subs niche

[shy escarp]

Sin and Outlaw are mostly unchanged and Sub lost its niche

[hot flume]

Too bad for subs...

[dusky tinsel]

sub will be good ST though, just in AoE settings it doesn't have priority target damage

[patent topaz]

cant imagine a scenario id play sub in now

[hot flume]

That's sad, so now they don't have aoe damage and can't fuel their ST dmg with adds around ?

[dusky tinsel]

I just want my DfA sub back man

[spice surge]

"it doesnt have priority damage"

It still has like 30% more than any other specc

Its just 30% more instead of 100%

[vast forum]

People who actually think sub's niche is completely dead

Funny

[dusky tinsel]

shuriken combo is what made sub competitive in AoE, thinking a buff to their builder and streamlining their damage by removing the ramp up is a massive blow. No question.

[patent topaz]

how about that buff to storm damage

🔥

[lone junco]

My bank was ready

[vast forum]

It's a 28% nerf to prio dmg when we were 120% ahead of every1 else

[warm parcel]

@vestal wren BM was nerfed for fire

But its still an alright trait

[vestal wren]

oh

[warm parcel]

Now frost will be better given their new trait remains bugged and op

Just like our traits

[vestal wren]

kind of legion repeats

[warm parcel]

I mean when they fix the frost trait I feel its just back to fire

Just less op of a trait for the fire magus

[dusky tinsel]

There's no way its only 28% nerf to priority target when a buff that gives 40% increased evisc at max stacks no longer exists.

Eleems math seems more accurate

[spice surge]

Its the same

100 is 28.5% less than than 140

I exaggerated a bit, check #tc-research for the exact numbers

[wary ice]

Are sims updated for the new traits?

and does Echoing blades generate CP or just the bonus from seal fate?

I guess more importantly: do echoing blade procs apply poison?

[spice surge]

Yes

No and probably not

[warm blade]

I actually believe they do apply poisons but the initial fan of knives would anyway

[winter moss]

ill eat a shoe if the procs apply poison

[vast forum]

That might be a bit hard to test in game tbh

[wise star]

combatlog

[cosmic pier]

early shutdown wtf

rip my key

like can this company do anything right

holy fucking shit

if i didnt raid i wouldve unsubbed by now

[crisp kayak]

Or dont wait that long before doing your key..

[cosmic pier]

ive being doing keys for the last 14 hours

we had time to finish 1 more but not now ty blizz

[crisp kayak]

After 14h it is time to open the door and get some fresh air lol 😂

[vestal wren]

well maintainance was announced early enough, i dont think the issue is with blizz

even tho i like bashing blizz

[cosmic pier]

but they stared shutdown early

like cmon

[shy escarp]

take a shower bruh

[patent topaz]

I dont think ive done 14 m+ in the past 3 months combined

[cosmic pier]

ive had two already today, you can play wow all day and not be a degenarate

i enjoy pushing score

but we'll see how that goes with the deletion change

[dusky moon]

so for M+, 3x SS are still way to go in 8.1?

[vestal wren]

EB is a competition to 3x ss

[cosmic pier]

yeah having 3 EB will def be priority, trait looks fucking nuts

[sturdy python]

Ss helps St too though

But if eb continues as is it's just too gud

[crisp kayak]

Guess it depends how big you pull as group

[cosmic pier]

ideally you want eb + ss pieces, but if you can only wear an eb or ss, eb will be better for aoe

[sturdy python]

I'll be running two eb and one ss for keys tonight so will see

[pallid snow]

Anyone streaming for us EU-ers when US comes on

[craggy raptor]

Are EB traits available on gear when 8.1 drops? I didn't think it was replacing any traits

[cosmic pier]

replacing fan of blades

[late moat]

^

[vast forum]

Tbh, ss will still be king in some dungeons (kr)

Ur too

[cosmic pier]

yeah, depends on pull density

[vestal wren]

!changes

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Changelog: http://www.ravenholdt.net/quick-guide-to-rogue-changes-in-8-1/

[cosmic pier]

pretty much same as chosing CT vs PB

[fast nacelle]

i dont get the 5th ring system

cant you have 2 good traits like ss and eb

one in every ring?

or is the outer ring just new traits like titans/laser matrix

[vestal wren]

yes but the new ring is coming out with the raid

so up to that, you stuck to 3 traits

[fast nacelle]

ok but then you could have (in theory) 3 eb 3 ss

[vestal wren]

no dublicates on rings, so max 3 of 1 trait

[fast nacelle]

its not like the new ring has just the new raid /season2 traits

yeah

but i could have 1 eb 1 ss on every azerite

and could run both 3 times

[vestal wren]

old traits get replaced, both rings can have any trait

[fast nacelle]

its just 2 times the chance to have the one trait u r looking for

kk

[vestal wren]

it just means some pieces are even stronger :/

[fast nacelle]

mmh well i wont complain - at some point you just accept bfa

its at least some improvement

[cosmic pier]

just gotta bend over and take it

i enjoy group content and the atmosphere of my guild that i can take getting fisted by the other shitty systems

[fast nacelle]

its weird how every expansion without new class sucked ass

(excluding tbc which was in fact a new class to each faction)

[vestal wren]

iirc ppl liked legion with illidan daemonhunter class

[fast nacelle]

wotlk = op
cata = yikes
mop = op
wod = yikes
legion = op
bfa = double yikes

[cosmic pier]

"xXiLliDaNbOy666Xx has joined the raid group."

[fast nacelle]

well yes

if you look at it

[cosmic pier]

yeah if you dont enjoy it legit unsub

[fast nacelle]

however

[cosmic pier]

i would if i didnt mythic raid

[fast nacelle]

we'll get new class next expansion

but guess what it ll be

melee

[cosmic pier]

melee lether wearer pls 🤔

rogue healing spec when tho

[fast nacelle]

pls no i dont have raid frames as melee

[cosmic pier]

just replace sub its already dead OMEAGLUL

[fast nacelle]

maybe we re lucky and 8.2 is last patch

[cosmic pier]

man that class got so gutted if you look back just one year

dfa with leggos and tier sets was so spicy

[fast nacelle]

nah i think rogue had a good transition into bfa

[wanton pond]

so EB is broken still?

[cosmic pier]

a class that actually had a high skill ceiling

[fast nacelle]

all 3 speccs

with assa as clear winner

going from AP ST meme without any aoe outside of PB

to one of the best Aoe specs in the game

• still same bonkers st

[cosmic pier]

eh assa blew pretty hard until we got enough haste, but yeah we definitely got off pretty lightly compared to some other classes

[wanton pond]

i mean blizz does love ass

wish they would show sub the same love

[cosmic pier]

sorry class is too hard for blizz devs to play, cant help it

[fast nacelle]

outlaw is better than in legion aswell (at least since post night hold loaded dice TB fishing meta)

[cosmic pier]

cmon ion cant evven do a +11

[wanton pond]

what?

you play sin right?

[cosmic pier]

ye

[wanton pond]

bruh sin is literally the top 2 dps for m+

and last weeks afixs were so easy

[cosmic pier]

??? where did i say it wasnt

[fast nacelle]

top dps based on what

[wanton pond]

idk you said you cant even do an 11

[fast nacelle]

dh boomie mage do more overall dmg

[wanton pond]

unless i read that wrong

[cosmic pier]

i said ion lmao

[fast nacelle]

still most important melee

[cosmic pier]

i can lmao https://raider.io/characters/us/barthilas/Malsäm

[wanton pond]

ok my bad i read that wrong

idk wtf ion is

[cosmic pier]

lead game designer for wow

ion hazzikostas

[primal gazelle]

Being 1800+ io as an oce player takes extra skill

Cos all the good us groups reject you 😂

[cosmic pier]

play with other aussies EZ Clap

yeah i dont pug anymore

that shits a nightmare

[meager basalt]

Malsam cant do an 11

the new meme

[cosmic pier]

pugged to 4k in legion, never again

[final stone]

so is nothing personal going to be any good to have

the current pieces we have do they get another outer ring or is that later on

[cosmic pier]

nah new gear

gets the 5th

when the raid drops, jan 20-something

[final stone]

ohhh got ya

but with 8.1 we get to sell new azerite pieces correct

[cosmic pier]

yup

[final stone]

dannng gotta hit that mythic 0 world tour now

[cosmic pier]

new gear collected after 8.1 can be scrapped for the currency, based on ilvl

nah theyre worht 1 each or something

[final stone]

oh even heroic isnt that great either

[cosmic pier]

yup, its gonna be slow if you want specific pieces

[final stone]

yeah because i am unlucky with traits so yeah riiip for specific gear haha

[vestal wren]

8.1 be like

[cosmic pier]

eh stockpiling for 8.1.5 probs wont be that effective, since they bump up the cost. you'll get 1 targeted piece at best i reckon

so still worth if you already have 385s

[ocean sparrow]

Can anyone else sim the 385 alchemy trinket? Looks decent at a brief look..

[plain cairn]

!changes

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Changelog: http://www.ravenholdt.net/quick-guide-to-rogue-changes-in-8-1/

[crimson maple]

On my phone so unsure if its not loading properly, are the new dungeon sims up on hero damage yet? I can only see the single target ones

[winter moss]

if you cant see them they are probably not there yet

[short wasp]

Removal of Deadly Brew is not in the patch notes now. Any new news? Did they decide to keep it?

Only changes to azerite traits and Subtelty's Shurikan storm is noted

[winter moss]

why would they remove deadly poison

[short wasp]

@winter moss Look again at my post. It says "Deadly Brew"

[winter moss]

well it makes way more sense now

[short wasp]

Yea its not in the patch notes now. I guess they decided to keep it?? This would be nice since they are buffing healing

[winter moss]

PVP mostly is mentioned extra

[obtuse robin]

literally just scroll down to the pvp chages

[short wasp]

hopes and dreams gone

im glad a few other classes are getting toned down though

[obtuse robin]

echoing blades is busted def getting nerfed after a week

[short wasp]

Im just not sure how warriors are getting even more buffed in PVP. They already chunk peoples HP to death

[scenic nacelle]

Hope I get to use it on Zul this week

[spring iron]

So is there a better guide than ivy veins for 8.1 meta?

[ocean sparrow]

As a warrior main, pvp has never been more fun 😂 👌

Also, dont see it in the pins...and I'm a new rogue. Preferred m+ azerite traits? Is the the FoK one?

[cunning fiber]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[fresh ginkgo]

hey good thing i kept those shitty ass shoulders i got from my first weekly chest

the one with fan of blades and meticulous scheming

[fringe estuary]

Seems echo is dominating ss for m+ saxon

[late moat]

m+ after 8.1
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/230972189300621312/522084631366074368/rouge.png

[quaint sequoia]

is it sin that is high?

[late moat]

yup

[quaint sequoia]

wow

[chilly marsh]

servers up?

[quaint sequoia]

does FoB become echo on old gear aswell?

[late moat]

yup

[quaint sequoia]

sweet

think I got 3x 385 then

[late moat]

ikr can't wait for my useless 390 to become op

[short wasp]

What's the FoB acronym again?

[regal tundra]

Fan of Blades

[short wasp]

Oh cool ty!

@chilly marsh servers not up yet

[fresh ginkgo]

all is fair in the world

[plush jetty]

vs how many targets?

[fresh ginkgo]

probably 5 or 6 i guess

[shy axle]

definetly here to stay tough

trust me

[spring iron]

So FoB is our meta then?

[strange python]

this will be nerfed

[fresh ginkgo]

yea ill give it 2 days

[strange python]

There is no way this is going to stay as it is

[unkempt karma]

Thats ridiculous

[strange python]

Indeed

[fresh ginkgo]

oh shit i can actually run two of 390 echo blades

with vectis helm and those shitty shoulders

[strange python]

With 5+ pulls you're just going to top dps meters for now

[spring iron]

So.... does that make sin AoE build better than single target then?

[strange python]

AoE build as in what?

[spring iron]

As in CT

[strange python]

CT has nothing to do with the new trait

[spring iron]

more aoe

[strange python]

Yes but nothing to do with CT

[spring iron]

Ok

[strange python]

But yeah now we have a proper AoE

[spring iron]

“Proper”

[fresh ginkgo]

might as well not pick CT now just go pb

[strange python]

What else is it

FoK is aoe

[fresh ginkgo]

with echo blades

[strange python]

Echo boosts fok

[unkempt karma]

herodamage not updated?

[spring iron]

pb?

[vapid moth]

"Boosts"

[spring iron]

Poison bomb

[strange python]

@unkempt karma m+ not yet

[fresh ginkgo]

i mean do you neec ct now that you have echo blades +fok?

[vapid moth]

Its how FoK shoulda been made imo

[strange python]

@fresh ginkgo no