What im trying to say is, pbs dmg on first boss is not what makes or break the dungeon in almost every situation
#assassination
ruby idol
civic thorn
Have you never had a 1% wipes when you just start dying to casts cause youre out of interrupts
And cloak/deter/whatever
ruby idol
Ya in a key that was higher than we were gonna complete anyway, or because we scuffed kicks
Not because i didnt have pb
I was in the ur pb camp for a long time
civic thorn
I feel like you underestimate the generosity of nerfed timer
ruby idol
But then i evolved
I mean sure the timers generous, but ct is more likely to help you make the timer than pb is in my opinion
civic thorn
There's no denying ct wins in total by a large margin
glacial steppe
Anyone here played Zul as Sin already and give a few impressions?
pastel wasp
dont do it
distant hinge
SUb or die
pastel wasp
ive played both
glacial steppe
Well I have to next ID because Sub wont be in the game anymore :^)
sturdy python
Sub won't be doing big numbers though! Not like now anyway
elder quarry
anyone have issues shadowstepping to monk statues on left side on m g'huun?
fierce sinew
I was wondering if someone could look at my logs / gear and give me feedback https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/HCbgWJrRqjf7x8Ay/#fight=1&type=damage-done&source=11
dense blaze
Using SS and garroting into a mutilate into a rupture
spice surge
Poor uptime on rupture and garrote
Not using toxic blade near cooldown means you miss out on a lot of casts
fierce sinew
Rupture and garrote aren't on boss during elevator phase
dense blaze
His uptime is fine
spice surge
Im not looking at elevator phase
fierce sinew
Cooldown of what though?
fierce sinew
In terms of gear how is that looking
Been farming for new trinkets from mythics but no luck so far
civic palm
0 sockets O _O"
fierce sinew
Well I can't do much about that lol
fierce sinew
10 haste is going to be minimal thoughl lol
round harbor
@dense blaze 👋
spice surge
I mean, playing well will give you more damage than a trinket will
fierce sinew
I mostly am interested in rotation advice and stuff I guess
civic palm
Especially considering he has decent trinkets.
dense blaze
Get the 37 haste
civic palm
and yeah Rupture and Garrote uptimes are low.
dense blaze
Explain this
spice surge
You're barrely using TB either
fierce sinew
I mean it's possible I was running away from boss during phase 3
oh I see
that is my opener
dense blaze
Mhmm
round harbor
It's wrong
fierce sinew
Well I actually got a piece with SS
spice surge
For example, over the course of your taloc kill (not counting the elevator) you missed out on 3 casts of tb
7 casts of tb instead of 10
round harbor
Vanish windows should always be g (x) g
fierce sinew
I see, well I only ever didn't get the debuff once in phase 3 so it's possible I missed a few trying to get some space
dense blaze
I got 9 TB casts on a 4:09 kill, you got 9 on a 5:20 kill
round harbor
If possible
fierce sinew
ok i'll work on that
when is the best time to use TB, someone said to go mutilate TB mutilate envenom to get an extra envenom?
spice surge
On CD
round harbor
On cd
fierce sinew
ok
fierce sinew
Do you use your finishers when you are at 4 cp?
spice surge
Yes
fierce sinew
okay cool
round harbor
Three is tight and more minmaxxy with globals n energy
fierce sinew
okay
dense blaze
Which he does do
round harbor
If he missing the casts, three is the next level ofastery
fierce sinew
well it's something to aspire to lol
so essentially I just need more uptime on boss and to use TB on cooldown?
dense blaze
Always
round harbor
Without looking EB is also very important to manage
fierce sinew
eb?
spice surge
Since if you hold it for 5 seconds, then you lose a cast every 5:th cast
keen belfry
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spice surge
Elaborate planning, talent in the top row
fierce sinew
Does that put a buff on you? I could weakaura it to help me manage
round harbor
You should def have a wa for it
spice surge
It barrely matters compared to the other things we mentioned though
So dont fret too much about it
round harbor
Eh
fierce sinew
Okay. So... better uptime on garrote and rupture on boss. Use TB on cd. Manage EP better. Anything else?
spice surge
Point being that most of the time you doit without caring about the buff
spice surge
Im not saying playing around it isnt worth it
round harbor
But tracking it to clip the last millisecond is valueable
spice surge
Im saying its minor
fierce sinew
So if I use a rupture with ep up it keeps the bonus damage even when the EP buff drops?
spice surge
No
spice surge
Try to use it when it has low duration left (so like 0.2s) instead of when it has 1s left
To essentially make it last longer
(provided you wont cap energy, but you wont most of the time)
fierce sinew
Oh I see, because envenoms gives a buff so u should maximize that
spice surge
Envenom uptime gets taken care of if you do the EP uptime properly
fierce sinew
Okay, i'll weakaura it to help me keep track
Thanks for the advice everyone it was very helpful
glacial steppe
funny contrast: someone at balance discord asked for vectis advise
best answer was "hit add"
heady marsh
I still can't figure out either 2xDD or 1xDD 1xSS, using TB
strange python
SIM IT
heady marsh
is there a basic guide to sims?
strange python
!sim
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heady marsh
Thanks
paper heron
Yeah I get it’s for m+ I just thought it would aim much worse than it performs . I dunno I guess I remember reading that somewhere but have no idea where or if it’s credible
pastel wasp
i think having 1 SS is good for raids
pastel wasp
yea
considering most bosses have adds
good for that too
dunno, i dont get good azurite pieces so
pastel wasp
whichever you have that sims higher
runic oyster
all I have atm is 2 ss im working on getting other pieces
pastel wasp
normally 1 archive/lazer for array
and DD
if 2 SS all you have
then thats all you can use
it still works
spare nebula
Any sin rogues here in the back half of running orbs (the one who dunks it)? We dont have 4 locks so there is no lock portal from when i shadowstep up to a monk statue and im having issues getting to the end before im rooted (mythic btw)
would lvoe some pointers
spice surge
Having the portal for the last dunkers is typically better than for the first people
If you cant have both
pastel wasp
im doing the back half
and unless ur running sub, its not easy
do they help clear the path?
spare nebula
its a holy priest going with me
spare nebula
yeah such is life
trying to optimize a bit
but was just wondering if smeone was in my position and successful
i can play around with it a bit more
pastel wasp
i guess you just need to pass it back and forth more
spare nebula
i think if i have my thrower wait a couple seconds ss comes off cd faster
and ill have some time left befdore im rooted to shadowstep and walk toward the thing
coarse carbon
I run back half of orbs but am paired with a boomy. I just spam FoK as I run it. He gates, leaps, then tosses to me halfway while throwing out dots.
spare nebula
yeah the key there is the leap
coarse carbon
Holy priest sounds terrible tbh. Suggest a mage or boomy go with you. Even a hunter.
spare nebula
werd
coarse carbon
The boomy and I dunk in <18sec every time.
coarse carbon
They are, DH
pastel wasp
yea
pastel wasp
DH/warrior makes it easy
coarse carbon
Well this just got hostile.
coarse carbon
HPriest is the last person I’d want to duo an orb with. Might as well send 3.
spare nebula
hahaha
yeah i think we're going to optimize, but we have like 9 min left
and i wanna see if i can get it >:[
coarse carbon
Gotta take the DPS meter pride out of it. Almost anyone is significantly better than HPriest.
Just have them stop being stubborn and do the task, you’ll get the kill.
near hound
we did it that time, i just had to wait 18 seconds for him
spare nebula
diaf
spare nebula
@coarse carbon yeah if we werent literally ending raid in one more pull i would have insisted ha
pastel wasp
so
u running to the end
after hpriest takes gate and gives to you?
im assuming ure sin and only have 1 step to get up on statue
!ghuun
west cove
what are some good traits for M+ ?
velvet kernel
@spare nebula i have a tip, your guild is dumb
civic palm
Shrouded Suffocation, Scent of Blood, Archive,
grizzled jay
Triple laser matrix imo
velvet kernel
but for real you are not going to be able to do that especially with having to use ss to get to the statue
civic palm
0 Laser Matrix
spare nebula
@velvet kernel yeah we're changing it for next raid
but i did end up being able to do it
velvet kernel
you need both portals to be from mid to the end
that is much better when you only have access to two
unique junco
Hi there - do you have any experience on which doungeons it's worth to play crimson tempest>poison bomb ? ;)
civic palm
If the dungeon consistently allows the tank pull near 5 targets on average CT is more than likely worth it.
unique junco
Yeah but I mean which exactly doungeons :d
civic palm
Depends on target #/etc.
Temple and KR are low average pulls. But even in those dungeons if the keys are low enough there's a decent chance that you group might be able to do larger pulls, making CT worth it again.
Context is important.
civic palm
No.
civic palm
In... what kind of scenario?
civic palm
k
patent topaz
10% wiperino on ghuun, gonna get him next raid. Or maybe not because its on monday and people will forget stuff
civic palm
gogogo
Rest tends to settle knowledge.
If people have to ask for a refresher the next attempt they weren't interested in the beginning.
patent topaz
we are still getting mcs during p2
orb runs are good unless solos get rooted which is the most common wipe cause I think
fading ocean
main flicker
Heyo, so i'm curious to what is the best stats for M+ ? Currently im running Crit/Haste but i hear many say Crit/Mastery am i missing something or?
civic palm
Nope.
marble hemlock
crit+mastery to optimize aoe damage
green saffron
Hi, should I use Toxic Blade or Exsanguinate for MD+? I have 2 x SS traits. Here is my sims report for 40sec with 5 targets. TB is 3.5% dmg increase. I thought Exsang is stronger for MD+.
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/o28Rs5a6VyqE36MvLsohEn
main flicker
How come i do way less damage in packs and such then?
mortal finch
Should I put mast over crit or crit over mast?
And what % should I have haste?
(Single target)
marble hemlock
if you mean m+ with MD+, then yes, exsanguiante in every singel dungeon
main flicker
So i want to stack Crit and Mastery for M+ even on this week where ST is more important?
prisma smelt
!m+
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main flicker
I sim 19480 in a Dungeon Slice sim is that decent or? I am so confused about stats atm its insane, i hear diffrently eveywhere
marble hemlock
the dungeon sim isnt necessarily what you should sim for for statweights, since it tries to emulate an entire dungeon, including b osses, whereas we generally optimize our gear for trash and not bosses
main flicker
First time i used it now ^^
civic palm
Yeah, just remember;
marble hemlock
if you wanna go for a jack of all trades approach, the m+ sim is very helpful
civic palm
Haste is only good until you're energy capped and need scaling for damage elsewhere.
main flicker
I just wanna optimize my dps output since i recently started to do higher keys.
civic palm
and in 3+ target situations you will get to that point a lot.
~10% Haste, Crit + Mastery
marble hemlock
~10% haste/28-30% crit, 30-40% mastery are decent values
main flicker
This is my stats and such atm 22% crit 16% haste and 26% mastery
main flicker
I have gear for that
I have like 30 pieces in my bag xD
Since i heard so many different stat prios i just saved everything
marble hemlock
drop the haste, get more crit, until youre at like ~28% crit or so (theres no cap at 28% or anything, just a suggestion)
and then you can get some haste
main flicker
Mastery?
marble hemlock
if you can get crit+mastery items, yeah
main flicker
I can probably change that when i get home.
marble hemlock
if you cant, crit > mastery until you get to a point where you have some decent CP gen
civic palm
In high density situations you want FoK to give you 4-5CP as often as you can, so Crit gains a ton of weight.
marble hemlock
id settle for not getting 1cp 😄
marble hemlock
but yeah, crit directly translates into the amount of CP you generate via sealfate, which directly translates into your energy generation on aoe by allowing you to spend those CP on more ruptures
and more energy = more foks = more cp = more rupture = more energy
main flicker
Fair enough. I'll check my gear when i get home change some shit up and se where i end up. Also, what 100 talent is the best to use? I've only used Poison bomb but i hear crimson tempest is great.
marble hemlock
i think you see what i mean 😃
with your gear, which im gonna assume is ~365ish
id go PB
civic palm
PBomb if you are not good with CT, CT if you want to do as much as you can in a dungeon where you are getting ~5 mobs on average per pull.
marble hemlock
CT is an option in dungeons where you do bigger trashpulls on a regular basis, and when you generate enough resources to maintain it without losing uptimes on more important stuff
civic palm
PBomb is a very safe choice.
main flicker
Ehh im 380
marble hemlock
hm
marble hemlock
ye
main flicker
Since i recently rolled rogue for M+
marble hemlock
just drop the haste
its not good, even on tyrannical you spend a majority of the time doing trash
civic palm
Yeah.
main flicker
Fair enough. Thx for the info 😄 So for m+ what trinket do i want? I have the dice 380
The other one sucks
marble hemlock
dice is good
spyglass is bis
agi/vers on use trinkets are fine choices too, so is galecallers (albeit a lot harder to use since you need to predict mob/boss movement)
main flicker
Ill just farm the SOB trinket then i guess
Aight hopefully this should help bump my dps up abit :) We are trying to do 15+ and Up atm ^^
crude bay
What i enjoy about galecallers is the initial haste on a pack, since you don’t have as many bleeds up to generate energy. Esp if you know how your tank plays and when he starts moving and where
Think my assa gear has 3.5% haste but galecallers
main flicker
I mean u get 3/4 garrotes and 2 raputers almost instantly
crude bay
It all depends on what gear you have available ofc
marsh bloom
Is Assassination changing really at all?
marsh bloom
o:
main flicker
In what way?
civic palm
Won't speculate until numbers are off test servers.
main flicker
I mean what skill and such will change
Like i said befor i rerolled to rogue 2 and ½ week ago i have no clue about stuff like this xD
civic palm
No skills are changing.
regal tundra
Is vanish garrote still triggering garrote cd on PTR?
civic palm
¯_(ツ)_/¯
obtuse island
Somewhere down the line I am messing up, I feel like I should be putting out way more dps then I am. Can I link someone a log of my raid lastnight, hopefully someone can point out a few mistakes
nimble tartan
Link it
nimble tartan
Low garr uptime compared to the other rogues
Really low uptime on boss
Another rogue had like 11% more active on taloc just make sure youre always doing something watch your bleed timers
obtuse island
By uptime do you mean being in auto attack range? Or using an ability?
Ah ability then
smoky fiber
auto attack range too
obtuse island
Okay I’ll try make me WA’s a little bigger
nimble tartan
Missed a lot of tb casts as well ash
Other rogue had 7 u had 4
Just make sure u use that on cd
Be more aggressive on boss and just make ur was bigger so u can see ur cds
obtuse island
Yeah I was expecting you to say TB, I changed from Exang not that long ago, getting used to the shorted CD
Cheers for your help 👌🏻 I think my WA’s need to be abit bigger for sure
Stupid question, but I should pool energy for TB?
nimble tartan
Ideally
marsh bloom
Is it ok if I go ct on tyranical?
bronze kelp
depends on the dungeon i guess
ct has no benefit on bossfights so you want PB for more boss dmg. but ct has a higher value on trash if you do big pulls
if you only pull 2-4 packs, PB is slightly more worth then CT
slim drum
Main stats for Assa Rogue?
main flicker
@marble hemlock managed to get to 27% crit 10.88% haste and 32.44% mastery should be better right?
marble hemlock
ye
main flicker
I can reenchant my rings away from haste to crit tho
unique junco
Do u use anty sort of wa to track all your bleeds and poisons?
normal spear
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normal spear
of course
marsh bloom
When I gear compare my 390 meticulous scheming vs the 355 SS the 390 sims .9% more when put into the dungeon sim but 4% less when put into 6 targets 40 seconds
so which one do I equip lol
normal spear
none of those sims are a perfect representation, but i'd imaging dungeon slice to be more accurate
marsh bloom
But like next week
normal spear
6t40sec if a pure aoe setup, isn't it? so SS is pretty good there, but dungeon slice also includes a boss fight, so 390 is better on pure ST (maybe i'm wrong)
marsh bloom
6 targets 40 seconds is gonna be pretty good right? for fortified
next week is teeming as well
unique junco
Guys is there a build for tyrranical weeks and forti?
I mean
On forti u can have exan +pb or exan +ct
But what about tyrranical weeks?
cosmic pier
i personally play 2 ss 1 sob and then play whatever sims highest ST
since bosses take some fucking work
also in my group, i stick to boss if adds would spawn, since sin does pretty meaty ST
cyan zephyr
I'm currently 20.97 crit, 20.13 haste, 32.68 mastery with shrouded, dagger in the back, and double dose. Should i try to pump crit higher?
solid nova
Sim your stat weights and you'll find out
strange python
!m+
prisma monolithBOT
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cyan zephyr
i'm using simc and it's putting a slightly higher weight on crit...but it's a single target fight
guess i'll go higher crit and it should help even more in mythic plus
didn't know simc had multi options
thanks so much
astral gyro
whats our weapon enchants supposed to be?
dark crag
Your 2 highest sim stats
For most it is haste and crit
For m+ a mastery dagger can be good
zealous bane
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https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
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wary anchor
what tricks macro do u guys use
dark crag
An complex all in one
@target @ focus @targettarget
With all kind of mods like help, nodead and more
hidden hemlock
How good is archive of the titans in dungeons?
winter moss
im on it
torn junco
With the changes coming to sub with 8.1 will sin pull ahead of sub on M zul?
keen inlet
oof
winter moss
you want to garrote twice after vanish to get the most possible time on empowered garrote
vapid moth
i was gonna but ran outta energy for the second one :/
sturdy python
Depends though, if you're pandemicing the previous garrote you don't need to
winter moss
try to pool a bit before you tb to actually be able to squeeze in 2-3 envenom
dark crag
test
#showtooltip /cast [@target,help,nodead][@focus,help,nodead][@targettarget,help,nodead]Tricks of the Trade
ocean rune
In your opinion, is Double Dose or Shrouded Suffocation the better trait?
wary ice
THey do different things
SS is better in that its more applicable in different situations
Apples to oranges though
plain topaz
so im testing out sin a bit but i feel very energy starved, actually worse than with sub, im at 19% haste, is that the usual?
also, any rules for when to exsang or tb? more specific, what bosses to use what talent?
storm pumice
Sim
TB is better for a sustained dps output in general
Exsan with Shrouded Suffocation + Subterfuge offers insane burst over a window of 10 seconds
On fights such as Mythrax this is very helpful when you want to just nuke the shit out of Xalzaix to get him out of the way
plain topaz
and on fetid too i assume
storm pumice
Yeah ^
plain topaz
i have archive, dd and meticulous so i suppose tb would be better for me in the long run?
storm pumice
Also, I wouldn't recommend it without a Galecallers
Absolutely
DD is a perfect trait to go with TB
Make sure you pool 130-140 energy before using TB especially with DD
Because you want to make the most out of that 9 sec window
plain topaz
since i dont have a galecaller either is it ever worth for me to run exsang?
plain topaz
doubt i will run m+ with sin, thanks for the tips tho 😃
storm pumice
Sin (in general) is the best spec for m+ 🤔
Maybe you have a proper group that lets you Sub rogue, then have fun 😄
plain topaz
been playing sub because i find it more fun and been ddoing fine with it, just wanna try out the said better spec for once ^^
mostly to compare the 2 speccs with my own preference
there is also no pooling other than saving up for tb window?
storm pumice
Sure thing! Playing sin without a lot of haste feels terrible though
Well, you don't want to be running dry if you're about to use a finisher and do something more after
Use your EP uptime as much as possible
The only time I let my energy go really dry is if I have to refresh garrote/rupture
Then I build CP, hold them, pool, finisher and build CP, and finish again
build CP, wait for TB, pool, finish, bam bam
plain topaz
i see, a bit different than sub pooling where you pool for the cp generation and not the actual finishers
silver notch
I'd even argue that master poisoner is better then playing with EP if your starting off sin haste starved.
plain topaz
im at 19% haste atm
storm pumice
Then you're fine tbh
silver notch
Oh your fine haha
storm pumice
I did a 15 temple yesterday with a less "hastey" build, fuck me it felt so bad LOL
silver notch
I purposely run around 16% for mythic+ (around 1500io) and go to like 22% pre array for lfr raiding
storm pumice
I believe you want to change your 2ndary stat prios depending on fortified/tyrannical as well
More haste during tyrann weeks
and more crit mast for fortified
silver notch
I prioritize mastery still just because my team likes to pull big
storm pumice
At least that makes sense to me
silver notch
But yeah definitely just depends on how your pulling
obsidian finch
whast the best way to sim for m+, say 4 targets and under a minute long fight
hollow stone
!m+
prisma monolithBOT
Use the fight style Dungeon Slice (Beta) for a M+ simulation on Raidbots.
hollow stone
This is the best way to sim for m+
storm pumice
Pog!
obsidian finch
thx!
static cosmos
why cant i shadowstep to monk statue on ghuun? and i have seen people do it
strange python
its buggy
quasi ledge
@static cosmos Something about having to be on the same 'level' as the statue, otherwise it won't work. Either way it's best just to be the initial runner as a Rogue
static cosmos
ait thanks @quasi ledge
solid nova
@static cosmos https://gyazo.com/30748bf3b49412f9b3d7cd8a2c944368
dense quest
should probably pin that now lol
solid nova
Yeah ill do something fancy when im home 😄
hollow stone
Seriously, the sstep w statue question is like 4-5 times a day lately lol
solid nova
As said, when im home lol.
dense quest
its just the timing I think everyone is just extending on ghuun now
hollow stone
Yea. Lots of people at ghuun now fo sho. Which is good timing to still get CE
Sin still preferred spec for ghuun?
solid nova
Updated pin. That's the best i can do on mobile for now.
rancid bobcat
can you actually get off 4 subterfuge garrotes
hollow stone
I think thats more than enough. Thx @solid nova
solid nova
hollow stone
Not really tbh, you get 3 gcds in the subt window. So the only leniency is if you get that last one off near the end of the third gcd (like 0.1 before subt goes away). But you dont wanna aim for that
And because rogue gcd is static at 1.0 you cant get any more than 3 gcds in a 3 sec window
My guild lets me play rogue again. Rip mage, welcome back to me being active in this disc again. Missed you fellas
round harbor
My guild let me do what I want ganggang
hollow stone
Well, yeah. I offered my mage cause we were running like 7-8 melee and my mage is who i spend most of my m+ time on. But rogue is my true love
Melee's been cut down so we back boizzz
Just in time for melee tier next tier... right? Right??
pastel vault
:(
hollow stone
One can dream :(. At least sin is usually good on those council/multi dot fights too
round harbor
Can't wait for the fight when u get shrunk and if someone steps on u , you die
Melee REEEE
pastel vault
Lmao that'll be fun in lfr
hollow stone
Lol
hollow stone
Long live the boomking, king of booms
If im looking for a pug for m zul tonight but not as a guild recruit, would i post that in recruitment or sub channel?
Richard come back plz
round harbor
What do you mean
vapid moth
I've never asked
solid nova
Hm?
round harbor
Trying to put m zul?
vapid moth
And the answer may be obvious
hollow stone
Like, my guild is short a rogue for tonight
vapid moth
But why Is it called boomkin
hollow stone
So i wanna pug one
hollow stone
Over posting in sub channel?
No prob
Afaik, theres no good reason it's called boomkin. Its moonkin and boom and moon sound similar and you are obligated to say boom every time you star surge. Thats my best guess lol
round harbor
Or trade chay
solid nova
Because they blow shit up, but thats #wow-general talk. Dont stray from topic please 🙏
hollow stone
👌
round harbor
Litterally any rogue over like, 360 would be fine for m zul
solid nova
But yeah Apple, if you want to use recruitment for that, go wild
hollow stone
Cool cool. Will do
fervent onyx
is assass still best in pvp? ive taken a bit of a break
hollow stone
Better to post that in pvp channel. But i still play sin in arena
Most people seem to
granite parrot
Hi Guys, what should i take for M+10-15 keys - 2x SS + Archive or 2x SS + Scent of Blood? thanks in advice
hollow stone
Its mostly dependent on your tank. If youre consistently pulling 4+ packs, sob should out perform archive. Best to sim it though using this sim:
!m+
Or not :p
Use the fight style Dungeon Slice (Beta) for a M+ simulation on Raidbots.
granite parrot
but its simming with chainpulls or am i wrong?
hollow stone
That sim is the most accurate one we have for m+ atm. It accounts for bosses n trash
Idk if its chain pulls but i dont think it is
granite parrot
DUNGEON SLICE is a new SimC/Raidbots encounter option meant to help simulate M+ dungeons. It splits the simulation into multiple 15-30 second trash packs of 1-6 mobs, followed by a single target boss for the last ~30% of the simulation, in order to replicate clearing to and then facing a boss. More information can be found on the SimC wiki.
The simulation doesn't drop combat in between pulls or have variable M+ mods like actual dungeons, and may not yet be optimized fully for every spec, but it offers an alternative to HecticAddCleave or Beastlord, which are more suited for single target raid encounters with period waves of adds. Use at your own discretion.
frail current
Quick question to gameplay with exsanguinate. Do i have to let the bleeds run out, after i use exsanguinate ? or can i reapply them before runniong out ?
unique axle
Let them fall off
slate jacinth
What is more preferable on mythic g'huun, outlaw or assa?
frail current
okay ty
dense quest
@slate jacinth the one that does the most damage to ghuun
elfin plaza
TB w/ a Double dose and Dagger in the back sim about 100 dps higher than 2x SS w/Exsan. Is it reasonable to say on fights where adds pop up and Im able to Vanish Garrote ( Zek,Vectis and maybe fetid) that I should run the SS build?
Especially with the longer downtime on Vect during intermission for the longer CD exsanguinate to come back up.
sturdy python
Probably. Make sure you're simming MA with the DD and you can run TB and SS together also
You don't have to have exsang just because you have ss
elfin plaza
hmm yeah. Just defaulted to that paring due to M+ didn't think about swapping more around.
lone junco
Tb doesn't have a lot of value in cleave or m+. Exang is an energy feed to start your rupture tabs.
But plenty of people use tb and SS in raid.
I run 1dd 1ss 1archive.
molten moon
anybody else feel that having 2 combo points after 2 FOV's on a pack of 5+ is the biggest buzzkill in this game 😦 almost makes me want to just mutilate to keep finishers going out
lone junco
Limp crit is a bummer.
molten moon
22% for me
lone junco
It feels like I should FOK mut. But it simmed out as a loss.
molten moon
what's an ideal crit to strive for in M+?
lone junco
30 would be nice.
Crit weight goes up with larger pulls. When you pull small at 1-3. Mut wins. But in 6-8 FOK has to crit.
vapid moth
When you sim using the dungeon slice and the results say you need to stack more haste
But you cant find anymore haste gear
echo cargo
So- what happens to Mythic Zul strats on Tuesday when they removed the shuriken combo from Sub 🤔
safe canopy
plenty of guilds have killed it without sub cheesing it
echo cargo
Without stacking, sure, but frankly a huge majority of guilds have at least one, and it's still a lot of boss damage to drop.
hexed sail
have any specific or atypic WA for mythic g'huun boys ? Like a circle being red or white and depleting when wave is coming, stuff like that ?
dusk sun
I’ve managed to down zul without a single sub rogue tho so I guess it isnt completely needed
spice surge
Its "only" a 23%ish nerf to subs zul damage
They will still be the strongest on that fight by far if you bother playing around them
echo cargo
i think the current iteration of PTR doesn't have it at all
unless that was just an unintended change
fiery drum
anyone not running SS? all my sims telling me to go blightbourne
inner quiver
I've read all of the pins on all of the channels, is it not possible to make a mouseover sap macro? nothing I've tried has worked so far
pastel vault
It is possible
inner quiver
on monk/mage/warlock/druid literally every other class I can /use [@mouseover] [@target] Sheep, fear,root etc but for rogue it doesn't work lol so if it's possible would you share your wisdom
spice surge
@strange python It doesnt come until the new raid
But its like 38 for both dps rings on mythic gears
48 for the ilvl
hollow ivy
how much haste do you guys run at m+? i tried this new m+ sim but i am a bit confused. It's tell me to get much more haste
civic palm
~10%
hollow ivy
i was around that value to, but this new sims tell me that haste is the best stat for me and also when i choose top gear this suggest me to wear 18% haste
i am not sure that i should trust that sim :c
normal spear
m+ sim includes a boss fight. that's why it suggests getting haste (best ST stat)
lone junco
And the trash count on the dungeon slice is very low. Haste is god at 1t. Good at 3t. Garbo at 8T.
Crit mastery with GC is still gonna do very well.
normal spear
don't think of dungeon slice as 100% accurate simulation. it's just a really general approximation (as of today, it'll get better for sure)
lone junco
And. Dungeon slice trash doesn't live long enough for ggg to finish.
The small stuff anyway.
Which may or may not be the case in your groups.
hollow ivy
at this time we are pushing like 16+ sometimes 17+ so i guess i will stick to my 13% haste and focus on crit/mastery
lone junco
effectively the sim isnt wrong. If you pull less than the fok breakpoint and are muting mostly, then haste is good. If you are pulling enough to fok out ruptures, Crit takes off.
dense blaze
Let's make a sim for the first big pull in TD 😃
lone junco
meh
grim valley
hello guys, is there any website we can see the average number of tries for each boss ?
visual quartz
I see alot of 1xDD 1xarchive and 1xSS for raids. I run 1xSS,1xarchive,1xlazer matrix. matrix is doing like 5-7% of my dmg. Is DD that much stronger?
vapid moth
Sim a piece and see. But yeah it should be
ruby idol
First pull in td you just sim 1 min 4 targets :)
hard perch
do you guys use envenom at 3cp sometimes to keep up uptime on Elaborate Planning or just don't care and use it at 4-5 cp ?
civic palm
No.
lone junco
i only do lower cp env for explosive orbs. depending on their hps
hard perch
So play like EP isn't a thing. Gotcha. Just got a windcaller trinket 380 from weekly chest so I feel like the game is telling me to play Assa with all the nerfs sub is getting :/
royal lantern
strange python
what
hexed sail
how many targets for fan of knives, given that they all are poisoned ? what if they're not ?
hard perch
So using envenom at 2-3 cp isn't worth ?
civic palm
strange python
read the guide and find the answer
civic palm
@hexed sail
hard perch
Also why is Blindside a talent ? Seems so useless
strange python
Sorry buddy, I'm not a dev so can't really answer
cold cypress
!m+
prisma monolithBOT
Use the fight style Dungeon Slice (Beta) for a M+ simulation on Raidbots.
pale knot
are the new traits comming out when the new raid comes ? or is it now on wensday?
oblique jackal
New raid
hard perch
New traits on patch day, fifth ring the 22th of january
slow mortar
in the case of having 5cp and TB about to come off cd, do you TB at 5(with vigor) or env > TB?
vapid moth
Good question
honest basin
I'd say it depends on your energy and bleed time remaining
You want as many envenoms as possible during TB, but you shouldn't waste combo points either. If you won't need to refresh rupture during TB and you have enough energy to go and spam spells for the next 9s, then Envenom then TB then do your mut mut envenom thing
vapid moth
If I had one cp from garrote and used mut to get to 5 I'd just tb first
honest basin
Even if you need a rupture refresh during that TB...?
strange python
just dont be at 5cp if u have TB?
spice surge
I'd you can refresh rupture at pandemic then do that instead ofc
If
But like, a 30% increase to envenom is worth more than 1 cp
vapid moth
@strange python not every situation makes that ideal but ok
strange python
Just plan ahead
spice surge
Because one cp is basicly 20% of an envenom (slightly less due to energy)
strange python
Its not like u cant see the CD on tb
honest basin
This guy is right
vapid moth
You can plan all you want but it doesnt mean everything happens perfectly
strange python
Its not that hard lol
honest basin
If you're looking at cds and dots/procs time in fight it'll be extra rare to find yourself at 5 cp with TB up AND a situation you want to use it
honest basin
Yeah
And using it 'cause you can press it with dots that needs refreshing in the TB window without sufficient energy is an even greater waste of it
It's fine to delay it by a couple seconds if that means you get 3-4 envenoms in it instead of 1
vapid moth
Lol
honest basin
Yeah but I don't think that answers the other guy's question
He asked "IF I'm in that situation what do I do"
strange python
its already been answered
vapid moth
The situation can literally happen no matter how hard you plan
strange python
honest basin
Doesn't rake into account ANY of the several parameters you need to take advantage of TB
It's obvious to anyone that if you don't deal a lot of nature damage during it it's wasted
honest basin
Well no, if you got a long enough bleed uptime and enough energy to spam spells during TB even if you envenom first then you'll get more value out of your rogue if you envenom first
Simply because you don't waste 1 (maybe 2) cps
sturdy python
Not necessarily
You're asking tb time
Wasting
Not using tb on cooldwon causes you to miss casts
strange python
what does the damage in parenthesis mean in bloodmallet? e.g 900 +(80). where does that come from
honest basin
True
sturdy python
If you delay it for only 5 secs that means the fight only needs to be 2 mins to miss a cast
And chances are it's goin to be longer due to energy
honest basin
Yes. What I'm saying works if you only delay it by one, MAYBE two gcds, which is 1-2 seconds
sturdy python
No possible
strange python
Still delaying
honest basin
Ans as michee said that situation shouldn't happen a lot anyways
sturdy python
2 muts and an envenom
strange python
You just don't delay
sturdy python
Maybe you get luvky for one mut, prolly not
honest basin
So, even it it happens 4 times, and then you waste 4s, is it better to waste those 4s or 5 cp (which is what you get on average with crit rating people have these days on average) because you used TB at 5?
honest basin
Those muts you talk about if you do TB first then envenom you'll have to do them to build next envenom and so on. Chances are you'll not end your TB tile RIGHT with an envenom if you TB at 5, those muts will be at the end of the 9s instead of at start, on average
sturdy python
If the fight is so short that you don't lose a cast, sure may be true
honest basin
Well
You'd need to find yourself in that situation pretty often to lose a whole cast
sturdy python
Well yes of course, that's why the answer is normally to plan better
If it happens one time in a whole fight your way may be right but it's not proper according to sjms
honest basin
Idk how sims take all we just said into account
sturdy python
Can't say for certain but I'd assume they made the apl use both ways and found which one averaged out to be the most
Now if the Sims were made to be in that situation Every tb then that wouldn't be right but I doubt that's what happened
strange python
I consider myself shit and pretty much never had 5cp when tb was about to come off
sturdy python
As usual if you want the most out of sin you need to plan ahead
"my ruptures falls off in 14 secs and tb is off CD in 8, I should prepare for that
civic palm
or just mash.
sturdy python
I mean, you won't do bad damage I guess lol
honest basin
Well that's what I see a lot of players complain about
strange python
I don't see how you can always prepare to never be at 5 combo points for toxic blade
One proc on your combo points before it comes up and you're at 5
civic palm
You can prep to be @ 3/4/5 if you are willing to burn ~1CP on TB
honest basin
The current spec isn't punitive you can play it approx, waste envenom buff uptime, waste TB CD, refresh dots a bit too soon wasting cps, and you'll do good, the difference with a great player doing few mistakes won't be huge (not enough at least)
strange python
Like yeah you can prep majority of the time but you're there's always gonna be some rng in crits involved
I stay at 3CP before tb or 4 if garrote in pandemic
civic palm
Nah, you either Mut to 2 and mut again to 4/5, Mut to 3 and wait, Mut to 4 and wait.
You don't NEED to be at 5CP.
Can fill a CP with a Garrote as well depending on time/mechanics.
sturdy python
The situation occurs when you have refreshed bleeds, mut to 2 with tb coming off
strange python
^^
sturdy python
Mut again, crit, bam 5 cp
Just tb and move on
Could do something weird like pk, fok, or garrote even out of pandemic at 2 cp I guess but I imagine that energy is too much waste
sturdy python
Yeah
civic palm
or do, the CP loss from Seal Fate is larger on average, wasting 1-3 on overcapping from TB won't end you.
strange python
It was a meme at Michee
honest basin
Who replied quite seriously to it
strange python
no offense taken mate
spice surge
Tb isn't a very advanced spell, currently (ie while not using twist traits) there isn't much to play around. Sure refreshing garrote and rupture before tb feels nice, but if you're refreshing outside of pandemic it's a loss.
vestal stump
ya boi just got 8/8 cause DH modem blew up 👌
lone junco
Rip 100pct legion Mut crit. When all we had was 4cp strings back to back to back.
Argus buff was nice.
wide pawn
Quick sim question. Should I sim with or without uldir buff?
If I am trying to get stat weights
sturdy python
Just depends on what you want. The Sims you see here usually have it on
If you're simming for raid stat weights then yes
Also consider top gear Sim to help find your best setup
wide pawn
Excellent. My sim is saying mastery is now top. First times its said that. Yesterday it was crit.
static temple
you guys still run 3x SS for high tyrannical keys?
craggy needle
stone fable
Does Sin bug out sometimes? I did a m+ earlier, and usually pull 20k or so on 2+ mobs. and about 16k on bosses....but for some reason this run I was very VERY low dps. As if it was forgetting to the bleed damage or something.
civic palm
No poisons.
stone fable
they were on but it was acting as if they were not counting
it was strange, I made sure all gear was right, all buffs and poison on, but the energy starve and the low dps made it look like the poisons were not counting
quiet spruce
hey guys, on mythic fetid, if im on the big add, do i save vendetta for the add or use it immediatly on boss at the start?
sturdy python
Don't raid mythic but you can look at wclogs and see what some people do
Probably don't want to use top parses though
spice surge
Using it on boss on pull is the best, because then its up for the second egg
Typically, but if you need to hold it to kill the first egg, then do so
versed flare
Question regarding Prey on the Weak: if Kidney Shot goes off on a mob, but doesn't stun it, does the PotW effect still go through? Or is there a way to track PotW effect with a WA?
civic palm
Yarrr
versed flare
I thought so, but wasn't sure if I was seeing an actual damage increase on mythic vectis adds or not. thanks
dawn flicker
any specific way to sim for g'huun?
strange python
no
dawn flicker
what're the optimal options rather if any
strange python
Warcraftlogs
dawn flicker
what an answer :)
strange python
I mean you can pretty much tell by looking at the logs?
Whats the problem?
Raiding mythic and not being able to utilize available resources 🤣
spice surge
G'huun is only ST
@dawn flicker
Or rather, only the ST in the last phase matters, so sim ST execute if you want a sim
dawn flicker
I was just hoping somebody with a brain would answer my question :( (not u eleem )
supple hearth
idk a brian sorry
dawn flicker
yikes
lapis loom
Topkek i dont even know tacts for first boss and i can go with mythic.
WoW like candycrush now
spice surge
First bosses were always this way
earnest pumice
bleak spoke
in the single target rotation do you hold your third exsang for your second vendetta
spice surge
No you hold vendetta for your forth exsang
bleak spoke
so like ~20ish sseconds?
spice surge
Yes
proper dagger
Anyone willing to check logs and tell me where i'm fecking up?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/XyD8g93CwhWVGYHj#boss=-2&difficulty=0&wipes=2&playermetric=dps&type=damage-done&source=16
I'm about to get booted from the raid team if I don't improve
proper dagger
So it's all in the rupture and garrote uptime
quick ice
I mean I didn't look beyond that massive issue
proper dagger
Also I think I'm still struggling with haste, still my lowest unbuffed stat
spice surge
The reason you feel like you struggle with haste is because you have low uptime
Your bleeds is a majority of your energy regen, so having 60% uptime on them is gonna severely gimp your energy
proper dagger
That I understand, but like on fights like Zul, how do you even keep a good uptime on your bleeds if they have you run around to all sorta adds
spice surge
Why would you need to run around on zul?
proper dagger
They make me chase the casters, since they don't pull them all the way in etc
I use a WA to track my debuffs, and it for example says to refresh Rupture at 6 sec left, is this even correct?
spice surge
Yes
Read the guide in the pins
and come back if you have any more questions afterwards
lament dove
well you run out to the add and put up a rupture
until then your old rupture ticks on Zul or whatever, so that shouldn't cut down on your rupture uptime
first priority if you start punding a mob that lives for more than a few seconds is to rupture it, it's your energy generator
if there are more mobs next to you rupture them all, or at least 2-3 of them
and garrote your main target
and keep that up continuously as well
proper dagger
Yea I just don't get how I miss it on some bosses like Fetid, but apparently I just do
spice surge
Dont cast that third garrote, ever.
You do it quite a lot
It just nullifies your vanish and ss
bronze kelp
thats one major mistake you can do
only overwriting a vanish and ss empowered exsanguined garrote with a non buffed is worse
proper dagger
So I vanish and only use it once I suppose then?
Sorry was getting ready for work, 5 min left hehe
I only recently started using vanish in boss fights as a rotation 😦 I feel like a really bad rogue
lament dove
you use it twice for the pandemic, but second one NOT after subterfuge window
proper dagger
Thanks again 😃 Love you guys for taking your time to reply
It's easy to read guides, but sometimes it's just better to get straight feedback
Off to work, have a good one.
grim sable
on 3+ mobs, is it better to get all 3 SS procs, overcapping on the combo-points or SS twice and then CT/Rupture
slim socket
SS
spark oyster
Garrote all 3
slim socket
You always want to have as many buffed garrote as possible
zinc zephyr
!m+
prisma monolithBOT
Use the fight style Dungeon Slice (Beta) for a M+ simulation on Raidbots.
tawny sable
if your simming same ilvl weapons will the sim punish the one without an enchant?
lone junco
what
"will a weapon without an enchant do less dmg"
yes
at the bottom of raidbots top gear, you can override the weapon enchants for comparison reasons though.
@tawny sable ^
tawny sable
thanks, appreciate it
hollow matrix
anyone have an idea on the average and/or 'good/above average' dps for mythic raiding sin players nowadays(for maybe those who have consistently gotten past zul at least for a lil while)? Just got curious is all - i don't expect any exact numbers or anythin
dark crag
Do i need 2 daggers to multilate?
hollow matrix
Just been out of raiding for most of this tier, with only 1 kill on some bosses - curious how far behind i am
yes i think u do creativmas
pretty sure as sin and sub u kinda need 2 daggers? outlaw not the case
for competitive dps at least
could be wrong lol dont quote me!
dark crag
Purple logs is good, orange is excellent, everything under that are small mistakes, raid mechanics or an overall bad raidcomp
hollow matrix
yea i was wondering actual sim dps for standard ST fight averages maybe
dark crag
I am close to 19k but i am half ss half dd and crit sockets/ enchants because i don't care anymore
solid nova
Yes you need 2 daggers to mutilate. The other specs weapon requirements are pinned in their respective channels.
dark crag
😂
solid nova
🤔
jovial fractal
fck my life i cant get a new dagger to drop. M+ and rolls on h mother for weeks
hollow matrix
so come tuesday their will be azerite trait vendor right? Is their an super ideal 3 pieces and/or super ideal 3 main traits to want to run? Well now thinking about it i guess what 3 for m+, raid ST, Raid AoE would be best? Sorry for so much questions!
spark grail
Shrouded suf X 2 and an archive is kinda the assa meta ATM for m+
spark grail
But yeh I'm pretty sure the new vendetta trait will be decent but everything needs summing still
vast forum
They said currency cost and generation will be increased with raid release
So not worth stocking up
hollow stone
I agree with mr christmas, its likely better to save unless you REALLY need a slot
@inner pulsar where's that breakdown on saving for specific or spending on random when 415 becomes available?
spice surge
@spark grail Current tuning has the vendetta trait being absolute garbage, actually worse than poisoned wire, which it is replacing
spark grail
@spice surge AHH yikes man rogues not looking as good next patch
vast forum
Assa lookin horrible, no nerfs
keen inlet
h y p e r b o l e
dense quest
I am sure this is what was said every expact/patch
barren marsh
Yes I agree, we will be fine
hollow stone
"Sin isnt getting any major changes, its one of the best melee specs right now. Its gonna be shit next tier". What??
The logic fails
patent spire
hollow stone
Lol
glacial steppe
We still have 
hollow stone
Hah, sub in 8.1
glacial steppe
ST could be getting quite strong with the reworked FD trait tbh
glacial steppe
tfw combat rogue + soulcap flashbacks
I enjoy Sin so the Sub nerf isnt really bothering me in terms of fun 
hollow stone
No arguments here. I just find it funny that they nerf it now
dense quest
hey man those raid designer put a lot of thought into zul
and was probably very pissed that 1 spec ruined it
glacial steppe
that should become a meme
dense quest
imagine when they designed the encounter they were told the game didnt have sub rogues
hollow stone
Nah. Blizz design team def intended sub to cheese zul hard 😎
dense quest
if it was intended I am sure they wouldnt nerf any spec
they just had no idea sub rogues were so good for it
come on its not like they work for blizzard
and know every class in and out
glacial steppe
they either dont think about possible abuse when designing OR they dont know what the classes are actually capable of
hollow stone
Im just laughing to myself at the discussion about it: what about sub rogues, wouldnt they just... nah nah dw dw they wont figure it out, and if they do, we'll just nerf sub, itll be great
dense quest
I am gonna go with dont know class capabilities since blizzard is small indie company
you mean
meh whos gonna stack a single class for 1 encounter
hollow stone
Haha
dense quest
what mythic raiding guild will bother doing that
hollow stone
Its never happened before and will never happen again
glacial steppe
didnt they stack warlocks for mythrax/ghuun aswell?
hollow stone
Thats the joke, yes
glacial steppe
even tho affliction isnt even close to his former self. funny enough that sin does better damage with spreading dots than affliction does xd
hollow stone
I think we better shift this back to sin before st. richard needs to tell us to
glacial steppe
btw i have a 390 crit mastery ring which is technically an upgrade but i cant equip it cus ill lose array on haste
yikers
glacial steppe
yeah its my raid setup and it feels super bad losing that much haste
need more haste
glacial steppe
im sitting at like 32% buffed
hollow stone
Gotta love it
My stats are dumb. Its like 1300 base haste, 1150 crit, 400 mast, and like 80 vers (in raid gear)
dense quest
do you have dices?
hollow stone
For sure
glacial steppe
dices?
hollow stone
I do. But i think you were prob asking cirilla
hollow stone
Yea. If weapon and crit dice procs you would
dense quest
yeh
dense quest
I guess its ok tho cuz ideally I dont use dices
hollow stone
Mastery weapon isnt much of a dps decrease to crit, just sayin' 😏
glacial steppe
my raidgear stats are like 880 crit, 1,3k haste , 600 mastery and 250 vers
dense quest
yeh I use to do that mastery enchant
but after zul no point
like after it becomes farmable content there is no reason for me to even have that enchant
not like I have 3 daggers spare
glacial steppe
im still hoping for zul to die on tuesday so i can grab my shoulders and get back my double OP
hollow stone
My group is like 50% leather and we only got 1 pair of shoulders on first kill (with a lot of people bonus rolling too)
Was brutal
dense quest
our one DH is like god tier with loot drop
I always try to run with him cuz he gets a ton of good drops
glacial steppe
our healers are god tier with loot
they literally got no items so far in mythic
and still have highest ilvl
hollow stone
Weak. Healers dont even need gear, its a luxury for them
glacial steppe
we only usually equip are disc cus hes insane
and can carry 2 weak healers easily
hollow stone
Sounds like disc
glacial steppe
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ro9UAi8eTDCTuUEvmNWJg4 my weights, yikers
btw do guys still go full cirt/mastery on tyrannical weeks or do you go with a haste heavy build?
hollow stone
!m+
prisma monolithBOT
Use the fight style Dungeon Slice (Beta) for a M+ simulation on Raidbots.
tidal ermine
guys how u choose ur azerite traits? bloodmallet is like changing every week
hollow stone
Sim with this. Its the best we got atm for m+. I go more haste than fort weeks but not crazy
We sim @tidal ermine, obsessively
tidal ermine
ok thanks^^
dense quest
I go with haste
cuz not like there isnt a boss fight
your haste is still pretty good
I usually run with a conservative tank either way so my pulls are smaller
hollow stone
Yea, see, my tank goes ham on tyr weeks
dense quest
meh no point lol just getting an above 10 done every week not like I am trying to push
spice surge
Except this week and all weeks coming up, because you get more azerite currency
smoky fiber
farming azerite currency isnt for 385 pieces though 😄
dense quest
cross that bridge when we get there
glacial steppe
anyone read the reddit thread about the new azerite vendor and how bad it is for higher tier raiders?
spice surge
I mean he just made assumptions of how much residium you would get every week, and it also didnt account for DE/scrapping other pieces
Its not gonna be a BiS piece every week though, if people were expecting that
tidal gorge
Is there a ranking/sim for the new traits anywhere yet? Been digging around randomly but haven't found it
spice surge
They're waiting for the actual patch notes before releasing them as they expect changes
For example, currently the vendetta trait is straight garbage because it doesnt scale with anything. Its actually a fair bit worse than poisoned wire
and apparently the sub nightblade trait is 🍝
tidal gorge
Lovely, I happen to have poisoned wire on my head because I haven't gotten another 385 😒
spice surge
Fuck no, cant play with that ping
Just triggers me too much
Mystlers notes says they dont
The DoT component of it is (despite the tooltip) not scaling with Spec Aura and Mastery. DoT is unhasted and cannot crit (guess this is intended, just mentioning). (Updated: Has been changed and can now crit.)
Oh well ye maybe tb
Guess i worded it poorly, the notes says it can crit
Ye i didnt think it would go live being worse the poisoned wire
Have you checked the nightblade trait?
Its pretty spicy according to the notes
Whats spicy about dd and shrouded?
That sounds intended though, since it doesnt scale linearly