Solid 2-3k lower dps ?
#assassination
radiant sequoia
subtle tundra
Last week it was also pb for me since explosives needed to die(after the 50% nerfs you could go ct if your group killed explosives)
Also depends on the tank and pulls
Small and fast pulls pb big pulls ct
About stats it’s beyond me
radiant sequoia
I guess I just don't get how much different the rotation is supposed to be with 2x DD ?
spice surge
Its not different
radiant sequoia
Does it just sustain higher deeps vs double SS?
quasi ledge
Rotation doesn't change, but I think the talents and opener does
quasi ledge
Gotta sim it
spice surge
Use what sims the highest
quasi ledge
I personally will always use at least 1 SS even if it's a small loss. Find it easier, will be better on more targets and cba holding multiple sets for raiding and M+
hollow junco
you may want to choose whatever the other trait is, because DD is dumb the moment you get into any multi-target circumstance
fresh ginkgo
im here with my peasant 370 boon while my ww friend got boon 2 weeks in a row from chest and one of them titanforge to a 395 
haughty flame
shy escarp
good old secondary stat homeostasis. all balanced
glass atlas
i would your opinion. I finally got my hands on a azerite armor that has SS but its my shoulders and that piece is my only archive of the titans, i dont have any other trait that activates reorganization array. According to the sim using the archive of the titans yields higher damage even though it is a 360 piece and the other azerite armor with SS is 370. Do i follow the sim or do i equip the SS regardless?
round harbor
you have toi have reorigination
end of story
its 750 secondary stats + ~240 main stat
sly talon
hi, anyone know why daaagger in the baack sims better thaan ss?
dense quest
it assumes you are behind target 100%
echo night
So quick question, PB or CT in keys this week?
10-13 keys
I see Seliathan going CT with GCB trinket
stiff crag
Is Shrouded Suffocation or Double Dose better for ST? Bloodmallet says DD but ravenholdt.net says SS
stiff crag
Wouldn't those sites be using the same data/builds though?
normal spear
@echo night i believe CT is worth only if you constantly make 2pack pulls
But i would also like an answer from more experienced rogues here
dusky inlet
Depends on the dungeon
dense quest
kinda depends on your tank
for M+ I usually always go CT
get more value out of every pull
dusky inlet
I wouldn’t say every pull lol
steep matrix
do you guys use ss or dd in uldir ?
glass atlas
@round harbor ty!
echo night
Speedoflife is using PB this week, just played sub in atal tho
I guess he's changing spec rather than talents xD
fresh ginkgo
i been just using pb cause im bad and its easier
echo night
Did he play pb then?
dusky tinsel
is zuldazar the only emissary cache that drops an SS trait piece?
echo night
Or CT?
echo night
Aight
fickle latch
Hey guys is it worth it to go for 3x Archive vs 2 arch 1 shrouded ?
fickle latch
For Raids
dusky inlet
Sim it
dusky tinsel
wish there was an emissary cache loot table
fickle latch
Yve been told Raidbots sim doesnt work so good for shrouded trait dunno if its acurate or now
fresh ginkgo
@dusky tinsel yes thats correct
maiden forge
how do we use "Sharpened Blades" just use at 30stacks and 4cp?
dusky tinsel
they should seriously open up M+ azerite gear after the hall of fame is done in CE raiding. At the least.
dusky inlet
Azerite vendor 8.1
dusky inlet
Need to toss that random cache shit though why the fuck is that even a thing
dusky tinsel
haven't gotten a single 385 SS trait piece yet
dusky inlet
Spending currency I farmed for a chance at the one I want lol
dusky tinsel
well at least in 8.1 I can just save up and get the piece I want
dusky inlet
For 3x the cost of a random item
dusky tinsel
still sucks for someone who pushes keys regularly
fresh ginkgo
you can see the loot table here https://www.wowhead.com/item=163857/azerite-armor-cache#comments
first comment
dusky tinsel
I'm completely fine with working towards something that takes a bit longer if I get to choose
@fresh ginkgo thanks fam
devout steppe
Does it makes a diferent where I put my better dagger in main hand or off-hand ?
plain thistle
fathom wyvern
so do i want deadly or quick navigation on main hand?
solid nova
Doesn't matter
fathom wyvern
no?
solid nova
Nope, can sim the difference for yourself if you'd like to see
runic basin
best settings for simming m+ gear/stats ?
normal spear
!m+
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lone junco
Its always funny when people worry about what happens at a +21.
if you arent playing +21, then their spec and pull strat doesnt really apply, now does it.
dusky inlet
The community definitely has a bad habit of trying to emulate the top players. Amplified so much by streaming now
topaz notch
whats the website for traits, like bloodmallet but better appearently
lone junco
herodamage
wary anchor
how many targets needed for fok>mut?
lone junco
depends on DD traits.
lone junco
its probably 3, but it is in the apl string
gentle belfry
@dusky inlet Nothing necessarily wrong with that. Most people just lack the skill and synergy needed to execute a lot of those pulls
lone junco
skill to do a giga pull of 10-15 mobs with chain stuns, and massive healer outputs.
gloomy ginkgo
For M+ will I get more mileage going 3x SS or 2x Ss + 1x Archive
gloomy ginkgo
Same ilvl
lone junco
I sim 6t 40s patchwerk.
gloomy ginkgo
Doesn’t going 3x SS drop some of my aoe on bigger pulls? (6+ mobs)
lone junco
@wary anchor
@gloomy ginkgo the g g g vanish g g g is huge.
it really depends on pull duration
gloomy ginkgo
I’ve tried simming it but pull length varies so heavily as well as cooldown availability depending on what is coming up / what we just did
gloomy ginkgo
Looking for advice from someone with experience at the 16+ lvl
lone junco
Seli uses 2scent 1ss. cause of giga pulls. I use 3ss due to pulls of 3-6t
4t20 is 3ss ALL DAY
gloomy ginkgo
It’s such a shame because different dungeons have different pull sizes, fucking reforge costs means I can’t go back and forth
Need a 1 size fits solution for now
wary anchor
can u explain the ss, bit donfused
gloomy ginkgo
I don’t remember if I have a scent, is that preferable to archive?
In that case will probably run 2x SS 1x scent
lone junco
@wary anchor i am reading that at fok at 3 to maintain dp on all targets, fok spam at 4, unless you have DD.
@gloomy ginkgo Scent is better than archive in cleave. a single rupture application is a bit less, but doesnt have ramp up time for stacks. but tabbing out a bunch of ruptures makes for a large agi bonus.
If you pull small, kill quick, use 3ss. if you pull big and drag for days, 1ss 2scent. if you arent sure, try 2ss 1scent.
gloomy ginkgo
Thank you for the advice!
peak smelt
If you look at tooltip it takes 2 scent buffs (ruptures) to equal 1 full archive (20 stacks). So you are only benefiting more from scent with 3+ ruptures up. Your empowered garrotes will not have 3+ ruptures up for long if it all. I can see where it can be big on loong big pulls. If you want one to use in all situations i'd stick with archive.
lone junco
Scent scales the CT and fok and vanish GGG.
i have seen up to 8stacks of scent in large pack pulls.
takes high crit to pick up enough CPS.
but when you pull big you deeps big. Scent scales, SS does not.
archive is a better for bosses. but we arent the pure ST bis class
chilly obsidian
is triple sub/ss still the go to in M+?
cold meteor
glacial grotto
do i hold my 2nd vendetta for vanish to come back up?
i assume only if i wont get a 3rd one in
lone junco
yeah. we hold 2nd to align with vanish, then they stay synced for the rest of the fight.
you can read the sample sequence of your specific trait /talent setup and watch the timelines for that stuff.,
glacial grotto
kk
tidal jetty
yall hold vendetta+vanish for beam on M ghuun?
desert vault
Any tips on Mythic Mythrax? Getting started on it tonight finally.
kinda what I figured, just cloak off the one debuff and that's about it?
just save cloak for crap rng beams or something? can you evasion beams?
alpine rain
with Gale should i delay Exang to line up with it?
lone junco
restive inlet
How does a monk statue have to be placed for me to be able to shadowstep to it? on G'huun mythic, We have a statue at the edge oin the middle of the right orb pathway, and all I get is "you can't use taht here"
hard cove
hell yes 2x 385 shrouded suffocation pieces now
lost sentinel
I rly need to kill mythic fetid for that chest upgrade heheh
I got super lucky with my M+ chest a few weeks ago, got 385 SS shoulder piece
fossil iron
Hi guys, i'm looking for a little bit of insight on Mythic Fetid which my guild is in the early pulls of progressing. Currently add clearing is inconsistent but we are able to do it. I'm currently at a dispute with the other Rogue in the raid group, he is using Vendetta on pull in his opener whereas myself and everyone else in the group (as asked of us by the raid leader) are saving cd's for the first set of adds, using our second pot on the second set, and cd's due to them being back up and BL on the third set. I'm curious as to what is better saving vendetta for adds or using in the opener on the boss?
Also, due to the spawn time of the adds I am using Exsan in the opener as it's back up for adds. 😃
marble hemlock
most people during earlier progression started the pull with vendetta+exsang, saved vanish+exsang for first add, vendetta+exsang 2nd add, vanish+exsang 3rd add, and then balst the boss at the end with another vendetta
that way you have very consistent damage on the big add (which im assuming youve been assigned to) whiel dealing strong damage to the boss aswell
burnt bolt
usually you time out your cds because blobs come every ~1m
so if you vendetta on the 1st blob, someone else needs to use a cd for the 2nd one
then your vendetta is up again for the 3rd
marble hemlock
i suppose you could save CDs on pull (except exsang), pop vendetta+vanish on 1st+3rd, and have bloodlust+pots on second one
burnt bolt
if ur going on 2nd blob, u vendetta boss on pull and it'll be up
fossil iron
alright okay. Thanks for the help guys - that clears it up nicely 😄
marble hemlock
ideally you run atleast 1 SS trait if youre on big add and playing exsang
fossil iron
i'm running 2 SS traits
marble hemlock
keep in midn that the boss needs to die before he heals by eating the 4th adds, so if the damage on the adds is okay-ish, you gain quite a bit of boss-dps by opening with vendetta and just staggering your CDs
radiant storm
Hey guys im a bit stuck i cant decide between 2 archive of the titans or 1 archive and 1 ss
sturdy python
Sim it and see
Most likely one of each will be best for you but depends on ilvl really
radiant storm
Yea one of each
tawdry breach
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proper dagger
I'm 371ilvl and not killed ghuun on heroic hehe, left my guild to find and joined a new one
lone junco
proud surge
!wa
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visual quartz
at what point does exang sim better than TB. I always sim higher with TB
lone junco
ss and subterfuge
marble hemlock
depends on gear. theres no breakpoint or anything, its a combination of stats and azerite traits that make the sims favor each one of those talent options
lone junco
@visual quartz and to be honest, 2dd and archive (for me) is about 0.8% better than SS. BUUUUTTT> you will want to run SS over TB for anything that has a vanish GG>
take a small patchwerk loss, to be able to cleave
I play sin for heroic zul, and it is a clear win to play SS.
visual quartz
Ya ive been using one SS and like the playstyle feel alot more, havnt found multiple.
lone junco
when you can open g g g or even vanish into 2T garrotes, it is going to be nice.
this is my zul open.
so patchwerk says DD. fight says SS.
visual quartz
and thats rolling 3 piece SS?
dark crag
And outlaw will crush assa
lone junco
inb4 SUB ON ZUL Noobe
our warriors murder the craigs. so sub doesn t work for heroic for me.
dark crag
Go outlaw
lost sentinel
mostly want ST on zul though, outlaw is fluff damage with cleave
lone junco
sure.
same thing applies for Zek or fetid or Ghuun (i guess). if it is raw ST, then enjoy your DD. but these fights are wonky.
visual quartz
your open Noobe, is that 10 globals as fast as you can as well?
lost sentinel
I sim higher DD as well, 1ss/1archive/1dd to be precise, but (at least without raidbuffs) on target dummy I perform better with 2ss/1archive and likely because of sims not doing vanish or shadowmeld (maybe both) correctly
I wish you could hit target dummy with RA
that's a significant amount of haste missing
karmic ingot
@marble hemlock does your guild stick melee on big adds full time for Fetid? Mine has us kill small adds then swap. It gets the job done, but it feels awful. I spend way to much time running around ranges DPS with big circles while trying to get from one add to another and then back to the boss.
marble hemlock
i was on small adds for a few raids
didnt really matter, playing TB/dd/ttk for those is fine too
karmic ingot
I play MA/TB with DD and BB + archive.
karmic ingot
Tb feels wasteful for small adds though. By the time I get a rupture and garrote up, they often don’t live through a full TB duration.
marble hemlock
you dont garrote smallies, not worth the energy/gcd
just rupture, mut, tb, envenom mut mut envenom
karmic ingot
Makes sense.
marble hemlock
basically same way youd play vectis add
karmic ingot
I have fewer Vectis pulls than Fetid since my guild had him down before I joined.
Still trying to get good at that fight too.
dark crag
I played fetid with a new guild today and wasted so much potential using cds on adds
marble hemlock
like
at some point you hit the threshold of where you popping all CDs on adds loses so much boss-dps, that its not worth doing
so if adds dont die because you play efficiently
you might wanna look at other people in the raid not carrying their weight
if its really required, you obviously dont wanna block progress by being stubborn/greedy
but theres a difference between being greedy, and being efficient
ideally you wanna put the assa on the big add, and let them stagger CDs in their own ways, since they can keep up with WLs on both boss and add-damage that way, despite being a melee
so foregoing that would be huge overall loss for the raid
dark crag
I just did what they wanted, the boss was dead after a few tries of bad positioning
marble hemlock
i mean sure, dont wanna stand in the way of the raids success
but on a different boss you may not be able to make up for the gameplay-weaknesses of other people anymore, so the people keeping you back on fetid will have to shape up sooner or later anyway
so telling rogues to hold vendetta for like a minute
is just not very efficient
dark crag
Yeah, but the gear is so inflated that after succesfull killing 3rd adds the boss just dies
lone junco
@visual quartz prob not. I would at least wait for the exang Garrote to fall off zul.
visual quartz
thats more of what i was thinking, I can have 2 ss just little ilvl lose, gonna try it out
marble hemlock
we usually skip 3rd adds entirely now and just kill him before those
but obviously boss-dps is different for every grp
so yeah, id advise going for add-damage first, and then change your cd timings if you wipe to the boss repeatedly because the boss-dps isnt high enough
lone junco
yeah. we cc the hexers and just push the boss.
spice surge
I got tilted last raid, i had the dream pull on zul but ofc we wiped
Got azerokk procc in the opener and did 4 230k crits during tornado
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lone junco
@gusty kestrel that's funny. Is how I felt on host. Symbol dance c 5 c 5 c 5 dance c 5 c 5 c 5 repeat forever.
occasional dfa then.,
spice surge
Unlucky not having backups
lone junco
my UI broke a few weeks ago. Only reset sin with mizerok. outlaw is raw. so i stopped playing it.
lol
"meh, i dont wanna get swords anyway"
lone junco
anyway. I tried tornado on heroic zul, and boy was that disappointing.
marble hemlock
misfortune
actually pretty evil
broken UI
is the worst
"25 items from your steam wishlist are on sale"
rip my wallet
lone junco
my vectis log is so bad. it that 3rd wave that is killing my parse.
spice surge
How do you have 25 items on your wistlist, thats the more important question here
Tbh
dark crag
Vectis had 0% but his cast was running, that feels bad
spice surge
Joke's parses are literally jokes
The whole guild just lets him pop of
They just let 5 adds through
Yeah
lone junco
nah. i cant carry that much
lol mother parse
32k wut. my bis is 16 2:55
pretty sure that was 0:01s before room 1 lit on fire
dark crag
That poor purple lock
dark crag
Cross over in small grps tactic
lone junco
@gusty kestrel is that a race to the 3rd room?
dark crag
Cross over kill adds, cross again?
lone junco
our 1 night of mythic happend and is over. people just /afk until next tier.
big yikes.
quaint flare
lone junco
need a few more sockets, then Ill be good.
could have 9 prob at less than 0.1% dps loss
smoky tulip
Question: If I'm running 370 Galecallers with Exsang. If I want to try out TB, should I swap out galecallers? I will sim it tonight when i get a chance to get on, just wondering what the general consensus is
spice surge
Not really, its still the best (or close to) for TB aswell
Sim it to be sure ofc, but prob not
swift ivy
hey guys, trying to work on my parses. Fairly new to wow but I've watched all the youtube/icyveins stuff I can. Feel like I'm misisng something quite drastic cause my ilvl parses are awful but I can't seem to think anything other than maybe a little bit of garrote up time https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/RzhDY6rJdW41x3yb/
if anyone can offer any advice i'd be grateful
wet condor
I find it really weird that logs counts orbs increased dps into the logs
It should exclude the orb increased damage
Because ppl who doesnt pick up the ord
Get shit logs
Even though their DPS is really good for a non-orb user and get compared to a orb user
smoky tulip
TB sims 150 DPs lower, even with other trinket options
Exsang SS and Gales too good
Anyone running DD?
sturdy python
In my raid set yes
normal spear
@swift ivy taloc: garrote/rupture uptime could be higher. feint before cudgel and continue to dps. stand in aoe during intermission and dps adds. also your opener isn't correct + i see only 1 envenom into TB. you should aim for 2
spice surge
Your openers (why is it different on like every fight lol?) is often very odd, check the guide in the pins for it.
Also if you really want good logs you need to use a proper pot and proper enchants
@swift ivy
muted jacinth
@swift ivy at first glance you dont have an archive or laser matrix trait so you arent getting array at all in these parses. having garrote fall off a bit here and there, exsang is also simming higher for you and on these short fights that are heroic exsang will be better i feel
spice surge
But yeah, garrote uptime is a really big thing, it might seem minor to have 10% less uptime but thats a lot of damage and also a lot of energy
strange python
@swift ivy you don't have archive of the Titans trait in the raid. That's a big one. Gonna be hard to compete with people who do have 10 stacks.
swift ivy
that is a good question actually, i don't have proper enchants cause i was hoping for beetter rings basically but i'll probably switch it up. I do only have 6 stacks of RA and I was hoping for a new jerkin of chimera so i didnt have to pay for azerite traits, so after Fetid I have archive
I dunno why my opener is different, i've practiced it on a training dummy like 500 times
I'll try to work on my garrote a bit, i didn't feel like I let it drop off at all but I guess I am
normal spear
you don't hope for a new chest. archive is a must. always
swift ivy
I got one
I forgot to change my trait before I went in and I didn't wanna make everyone wait, it worked out for me though
so opener+archive+garrote up time. Thanks guys
normal spear
and 2 envenoms into TB
swift ivy
ok
sturdy python
With proper planning should be able to get 2 everytime
swift ivy
yeah i've been working on my pooling a bit and i thought I did really well this raid, was kinda disappointed with the parses but I know i've got a lot to work on
cheers bru
visual quartz
2 evertyime for sure, Im a troll with haste racial, during open can get 3 in TB
not sure if thats good or bad but 3 envenom during TB feels good
sly talon
should i cap haste on 19%?
civic palm
You should follow your stat weight values. If Haste is being beaten at 19% for you then look elsewhere for DPS gains from stats.
sly talon
oo ok raidbots hhere we go again xD
subtle tundra
well i use 3 envenoms during TB in opener and if they crit each deal like 50k+(without pot)
karmic ingot
opener
without pot
Does not compute.
lone junco
That's what I thought tbh.
I use prolonged power for farm stuff though.
I cba to farm for parses.
karmic ingot
I can’t help myself.
Also, I really don’t want to fuck with adding another key bind for prolonged power.
lone junco
I click flasks and potions lol
hot snow
so glad I'm not the only one that does that
subtle tundra
well im talking about the usual opener on wq mobs and random mobs..
marsh bloom
Do people actually think the breakpoint for haste is 25%?
civic palm
People?
marsh bloom
in the guide explains how 25% isn't a breakpint
and if I do 3 envenoms in my opener I'm not able to keep up EP 100%v of the time during vendetta is it worth it?
old lagoon
For exsanguinate, is it worth keeping a 1min CD trinket even though its not up for every exsang. do i delay ex for 15s? or just use a 2min trinket? sims are within 20dps of each other
strange python
You will though?
marsh bloom
I can't get 100% uptime if I use 3 env in first TB
strange python
But why
marsh bloom
I'll try with haste
strange python
You use the 3 envenoms in the span of 9 seconds
marsh bloom
with 30% haste I Don't have enough :/
marsh bloom
both of his mutilates double crit in the opener lol
I also ahve that gap
that 2-3 second gap
strange python
2-3 is a lot
supple hearth
Yes
steep obsidian
oh this is the week i have to hide or be a turkey 24/7 with people bugging me
ergh
civic palm
O _O
wide mountain
Icy veins guide says to use TB over Exsang in m+. Does this stand true even with at least one Shrouded suffocation trait?
civic palm
Did they say that it did in their guide?
wide mountain
What do you mean?
civic palm
Does the guide that you read mention whether or not it is with Shrouded Suffocation or not?
wide mountain
No it is not specified. It says "Below are the suggested talents for Mythic+. These talents are recommended for all groups and keys at the current time."
And obviously TB is the selected shown talent
civic palm
mmm
Seems pretty vague.
At least 1x Shrouded Suffocation is clearly the choice when talking Mythic+.
So between Toxic Blade and Exsanguinate we just need to figure out what each does for you, and whether that's important or not.
EX will increase your DMG on a single target and increase your Energy Regeneration (making it easier to cast abilities)
TB will increase your DMG to a single target and that's about it.
TB has a lower CD for sure, but you still need good targets for it, and the energy to make use of the DMG buff from it.
wide mountain
Yeah I rarely find myself using envenom on m+ trash packs as there is so much to do with crimson/rupture so I doubt TB would be good
maybe some people use it but I don't see it being superior personally
Beside with my gear it only sims like 100dps above exsang
civic palm
It's good on bosses still, which is where Shrouded Suffocation is worse than a lot of other traits if the boss fights last a long time.
karmic ingot
Yeah, trying to make good use of TB on trash pulls in dungeons just feels bad. Exsanguinate is just easier to work with.
wide mountain
Agreed
civic palm
Yeah, just make sure you're not losing EX on bosses and things will be a-okay.
Which is hard, considering how slow M+'s go.
wide mountain
Another question, I have been looking at the Method Assassin/sub guide and the guy mention that there is a "bug" of some sort when doing a 4th garrote outside of subterfuge
wide mountain
Supposedly it would unbuff the previous 3 other garrotes to do standard damage (ie not buffed by subterfuge). Has this been confirmed or fixed?
dark token
a month pretty much
wide mountain
Yes that's an old video. Good to know tho
lone junco
was it a ylajio video,
lone junco
Sockets is nice.
smoky tulip
Yo fams, can we multi-dot on the Triad fight in Waycrest?
Not sure if they’re immune or if it dmg me, so never tried ☺️
lost sentinel
I think it buffs their damage or something I'd double check
civic palm
They get 99% reduction.
carmine pulsar
So it’s just a waste of energy/CP?
civic palm
If you're capping sure.
marble hemlock
its not really worth to multidot in sisters as assa
while you get more energy from ruptures ticking on more targets, you lose out on damage because youre spending CP on something else than envenom for the prio-target
whenever i played assa in waycrest i usually just kept garrote+rupture on maintarget, and then ruptured the sister that came up next
that way you can get a fast full-pandemic rupture up for exsang whenever they switch
velvet kernel
seli do you stream raids?
marble hemlock
rarely
velvet kernel
rip
marble hemlock
think i streamed the one 1 or 2 weeks ago
but im out on a few bosses where i dont need loot
velvet kernel
mhmm
one question, what are your opinions on rogue going in to the next raid if you dont mind? 😄
im assuming you have tested
marble hemlock
lots of council-like fights, so assa is gonna be quite good i think
nah, we dont do PTR testing
velvet kernel
its making me wanna go back lock but i wanna have one xpac where i stick to one class and see how good i can get
marble hemlock
rogue is always good for progression tbh
velvet kernel
yeah i just have rerolling problems
marble hemlock
cant really help with that, never felt the need to switch classes, im just in love with my rogue 😃
vapid moth
Imagine having to spend multiple hours a day grinding to make sure all your alts are up to date
- The one class gang
earnest pumice
^ ugh im in that multi grind boat and hate it
signal blade
patent topaz
been playing rogue since vanilla, never had the urge to reroll. Never get benched, so whatever
marsh bloom
with double dead shot
do we wann bte just on cd
doesn't matter how many cp we have?
worldly ledge
I simmed my rogue but its hard to believe that 380ilvl belt with 100 haste with 80 versa worth more than 375 100 haste 73 crit. I did my stat weight and sim and it says that 5ilvl and versa gives me 300+ dps. Any idea guys?
supple hearth
^
carmine pulsar
@velvet kernel rogue solved my rerolling problem. Haven’t had this much fun in an xpac in a while, and really upset I didn’t try rolling a rogue sooner
shell zealot
Hey guys, im having triuble dpsing on zekvoz mythic, im using sin spec with: AOT+ 2xSS, + CT. (Im doing around 14-17k, and i dont understand what im doing wrong during add phase(im not dpsing hih enough in that phase)
Anyone can throe a few tips, i can link logs if needed
civic palm
You chose SIN to AoE is your first problem.
shell zealot
Can u check my logs?(last nights attempts)
rare jackal
i did 20k on zek today
shell zealot
Cause i tried the firt few attempts to single target
rare jackal
basically, as soon as the adds spawn you want to dot the boss, the voidweaver, and about 2 of the little guys
then just dump dps in the weaver, then the boss
old quartz
shell zealot
Vanish+ garrote 3 targets+ rupture on 2, then 4 more secs max of dos on adds( they ho down quite fast
rare jackal
also when switching to the adds in the back of the room, make sure to refresh dots on the boss before switching, make good use of sprint and shadowstep
civic palm
Yeah the total time they are alive is a thing.
If you can't get things rolling it's useless to try.
rare jackal
in my experience it depends on how hard your raid cleaves
sometimes its not worth dotting the smaller guys at all
but other times it can
rare jackal
if you dot the caster add and the boss, then just spam fan of knives and envenom you cant go wrong
civic palm
Yeah we've 3 warriors and like 2 DHs, the adds die.
and like... an elemental shaman > _>
shell zealot
Same here, adds die pretty fast, prob takes 8-10 secs from them to dwindle
rare jackal
that being said, its probably always worth dotting one or two of the little guys during the second add phase, since cleave damage will be lower
because people have to dodge the void rings
civic palm
Yeah the second warrior wave should take longer.
rare jackal
aye
rare jackal
other than that i think managing your mobility cooldowns goes a long way in maximizing dps in that fight
civic palm
Footpad is hilarious there if you do not have a G/F.Druid.
shell zealot
Nada, did u get a chance to check my logs?
civic palm
O _O
shell zealot
❤
rare jackal
mhh hard to compare , you guys take a long ass time for this boss
shell zealot
😦 we basically still progging on him
rare jackal
i know the pain
shell zealot
Kazzak alliance.. too fee
rare jackal
so yeah looking at wipe number 2
your garrote and rupture uptime is rather low
god damn it i hate how warcraftlogs forces me to check vendetta usage
civic palm
ha
rare jackal
your cooldown usage is also off, you need to keep galecaller on cooldown to line up with vendetta
you didnt have it up during your third and fourth vendetta
also you didnt use a second pot
it was unlucky ou had the debuff during your second burst window tho
patent topaz
I just play outlaw on zekvoz, less hassle
rare jackal
delay your fourth burst opening (vendetta/vanish/galecaller) for bloodlust and orbs
@shell zealot
rare jackal
ct or pb?
shell zealot
Crimson temp or poison bomb?
rare jackal
poison bomb for sure
rare jackal
good luck
shell zealot
Oh, one more thing, i keep my first vanish for adds?
rare jackal
nah it throws off the timing too much
just use it with vendetta
but make sure to keep galecaller on cooldown
shell zealot
Basically line up all major dmg buffs
?
Throughout the fight, make sure to hold them all for BL in orb phase?
rare jackal
yes you want vanish galecaller and vendetta always lined up, and since you guys probably go beyond 8 minutes you will get 4 2min cooldown windows in total
so you have some wiggle room, and you definitely want to delay the last vendetta for lust and orbs
shell zealot
Copy that! Thanks again
Also if u can/have time/feel like it, check my mythic taloc fights, and give me a recommendation for the same mistake i do there
Anyhow thanks a ton!
cobalt gyro
just cleared fetid mythic
weary arrow
2x SS 1x Archive over 2x SS 1xSwirling Sands for m+?
cobalt gyro
got the trinket + a socket and it sims better than my galecallers
rare jackal
gz
solid nova
!m+
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solid nova
...
fathom swift
hi, if im looking at my logs is there anything specific that's worth looking out for for assa?
ornate gazelle
Quick question: Do you use Sharpened Blades on 29 or 30 stacks? And as soon as you get them?
quick ice
@fathom swift the usual - dot uptime, CD usage
fathom swift
yeah keeping bleeds up and using cds isnt something i have any problem with im more wondering about stuff like maximizing elaborate planning or envenom buffs or energy pooling at specific points
winter moss
where those logs at
fathom swift
id rather just get told what stuff to look for so I can do it myself tbh, all the mythic ones are private anyway
quick ice
should get 2, ideally 3 envenom during tb
fathom swift
ok cool
is there anything specific I should be doing with elaborate planning or envenom buffs too?
empty quartz
does garrote from shadowmeld in raid empower it?
doesn't work on dummy, why does the sim shadowmeld garrote before 2nd exsang?
civic palm
Shadowmeld and Stealth are both megaPotato, and you get part of the buff from SUB and part of the buff from SS.
civic palm
@empty quartz sounds like it gets all of SS and none of SUB, so not so bad.
shell zealot
Never thought of that, free ss garrote basicaly?
civic palm
Right but you don't get SUB, so no triple Garrote, and no 100% empowerment.
Just check #tc-research , might have to scroll a bit to find all of the information.
But it shores up NE and Troll almost entirely.
and makes NE Kings of M+ unless I am forgetting some other race.
empty quartz
meld garrote does 500 extra damage per tick rather than just the 307 from my 340 SS
unless that's just normal SS tooltip potato
vast forum
Blizz is no stranger to potato tooltips
civic palm
Part of that is due to old information, most of it is due to just not being specific enough.
empty quartz
well it's nice to find out my meld has some use in raid
regal shadow
Guys, would you rather stack Laster Matrix/Archive or trust SimC when it tells you to go for Dagger in the Back and Twist the Knife instead?
Got 10 Stacks and simmed the items with the same ilvl but my guts tell me to go for the raid traits
vast forum
Stacking raid traits isn't that good
civic palm
If you cannot be 100% sure of that do not use it.
vast forum
But yeah, ditb is overvalued in sims
civic palm
Impossible teleporting robots 
empty quartz
just make every rogue ability work like legion shadow strike 
hot flume
Quick question, how do we get a streamer weakauras once we subbed to his channel ?
Just subbed to fragnance's but can't get my hand on any link
civic palm
Talk to him about it, not us, also this has nothing to do with #assassination
I assume it's in his stream details?
hot flume
can't find it in the details. And yeah sorry should have been to #off-topic , my bad
civic palm
DM him, dunno if there are other people using his stuff or not.
hot flume
And once it syncs I will receive a PM with a link to the WAs ?
hot flume
OK thanks
glass plank
What are the best trinkets for rogue in m+ guys?
rapid flame
Can somebody explain me this? Overwriting exsanguinate empowered garrote 5 seconds after it's cast?
civic palm
I assume the earlier garrote is higher up on the list?
rapid flame
Ya it is, i'll just post a longer sequence with the usage of cd's thats got me questioning
civic palm
Let's see, what's the duration of Garrote when it hits EX?
22 seconds or so I imagine.
EX cast 10 seconds later, 12 seconds remain, EX halves duration, 6 seconds remain, new Garrote cast 5.1 seconds later.
It probably should not clip, but it's not the end of the world.
What's right after that?
btw
rapid flame
ehm
the garrote on 41 seconds is fresh
it's after subterfuge>vanish garrote runs out
civic palm
If the Garrote @ 41 seconds is not from a pandemic refresh that means it has a max duration of 18 seconds and by the time EX is hit it will last for 4 seconds.
rapid flame
so according to the sim it's better to exsanguinate on an 8 sec (4 with exsang) second garrote than to re-apply garrote & get pandemic & full exsang?
Does not seem right to me
civic palm
It's right if you are planning around lining up EX in the future for a larger burst sequence.
Delaying EX can lead to desyncing Vendetta and trinkets.
rapid flame
it's not delaying though, another garrout could've been cast after the rupture @50 seconds, 'delaying' the exsang by a mere 1 global but getting full value (pandemic garrote) instead of 8 second garrote
another garrote*
civic palm
I imagine an unpowered Garrote isn't worth lining too much up with, even if it's just refreshing it. This distinction is probably within a tiny difference in DPS.
dusky fulcrum
civic palm
woopwoop
patent topaz
getting close to 19k myself, I just want ghuun down before the new raid comes out
dusky fulcrum
We're at mythrax and extending til ghuun dies, Shame i wont get a 380 helm/gloves untill we do :( all i need for complete mog
dusky fulcrum
Mytrax helm is SHIT
quick ice
gets you the mog 😄
patent topaz
recleared yesterday, got mythrax down to 29%, havent killed him yet. Should go down on monday (next raid)
patent topaz
I use fetid chest, zul shoulders and vectis helm
dusky fulcrum
No 
for me for a while
patent topaz
2x archive 1xss
quick ice
I'm running archive, blightborne infusion, SS
dusky fulcrum
Never drops helm
patent topaz
got 390 mother dagger with socket yesterday, only took 10 kills and 10 coins
quick ice
because BI is better than 2nd archive
patent topaz
got mine on 2nd vectis kill, now I get to chill on the bench for vectis because people need loot
dusky fulcrum
0rogues in my guild has vectis helm
dusky fulcrum
craft them
patent topaz
my 2nd 385 shoulders have rezans fury and archive is better
also I cba to respec to the rupture trait for m+ everytime
quick ice
Yeah but I'd have to drop alch/ench and I have some old recipes I'd prefer not to lose.
ornate gazelle
So each of my builds are really, really close to each other. Within ~50 dps of one another. What is the most practical build to raid with? SS-Exsang-Galecaller's or SS-TB-Gale or Mantle-TB-Sharpened Blades?
Mantle is nice because everything lines up and you don't have to worry about galecallers zone
idk tho
civic palm
What race?
next maple
Hi, wich stats should i use, this week in M+ (King Rest for example) with monotarget PB build ?
normal spear
i imagine crit/mastery as usual. even in KR you will always get 3-4 ruptures running, so energy is not a problem
bronze kelp
for higher boss dmg you normally raise your haste on tyranical weeks, im running with about 15% haste
amber temple
It's not entirely clear from the Assassination guide on Ravenholdt, but do I pop vanish and Vendetta at the same time after the opening rotation? Due to the opening Vendetta will be available the 2nd time some seconds before Vanish. Do I just hold on to vendetta for a few seconds and go Vanish > Garrote > Rup > Garrote > Vendetta?
bronze kelp
on which build ?
amber temple
Ah sorry, SS and Toxic Blade
bronze kelp
afaik you use vendetta "long" before the vanish
spice surge
Yes you hold vendetta for vanish so they line up
amber temple
xD
bronze kelp
are we speaking about the opener ?
spice surge
No
amber temple
No, 2nd set of CDs available
amber temple
2m past opener
bronze kelp
then forget what i said 😉
amber temple
Okay, fair enough :)
Thanks guys, I will vanish before Vendetta next time then :)
Do you have any preference about when to vanish 2nd time? Do you do it on cooldown, or wait for current Garrote to be close to expiration?
pliant orbit
Guys, how can i check proper rotation for mythic mythrax?
elder prairie
radiant storm
Vectis helm also eludes me
spice surge
@amber temple You want rupture to be either in pandemic or close to falling off
Garrote*
amber temple
Pandemic?
spice surge
It doesnt matter much if you double SS garrote or refresh a previous garrote with pandemic to full
Its in the pins FAQ, what pandemic is that is
rustic forum
any assas rogue here with some free time who can see my simc string and help me out figuring what to run ? getting mixed results from a guildie and sismc, for m+ and raids in general that is
amber temple
Aha, so when you say in pandemic does that mean when the buff is still in it's extra duration, or reapply such that it enters pandemic total duration?
rustic forum
for raids i go with Patchwerk 1 boss right?
spice surge
Yeah, 5 mun patchwerk
Make sure to set the proper amount of array stacks as well
However many you have
amber temple
But @spice surge suppose you just garroted and then 6s later Vanish comes off CD. Do you vanish immediately or hold it until garrote duration is < 5.4s remaining?
dapper moat
U vanish
spice surge
Then you didnt really need to garrote earlier
dapper moat
Because vanish boost your already put garrottes
rustic forum
alright then for raids im set its just for m+ is where i get all confused since someone told me I should run exsang and CT and a diff azerite piece than the one that Raidbots give me
spice surge
Yes but no, as you will waste duration hiisi
If you refresh it at 16 seconds left you effectively waste 11.6 seconds of garrote that you spent energy on
But you just need some foresight, if vanish&vendetta is coming up soon set up for it beforehand
dapper moat
I know
amber temple
Will there be scenarios where Garrote expires and then you vanish shortly after?
you let garrote expire*
amber temple
Yeah, ideal :P
dapper moat
If u have to make it
For example boss dying soon
Then just refresh even if u have almost full garrotte on it
rustic forum
@spice surge any idea for m+ ? this is my simc pastebin https://pastebin.com/knPDdwqq
spice surge
!m+
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amber temple
Yeah. It's more a question of when you can see that current garrote will fall off before vanish cd is up
tawny sable
that dungeon fight script gives me stat weights heavily favoring haste. everyone says haste is lowest for m+. did i do something wrong or could haste be above agility with that script?
dapper moat
Yep, juu
spice surge
Haste is bad for aoe, a lot of the m+ script (and regular m+ as well) is bosses
So haste isnt worthless at all
amber temple
I only have haste gear since I primarily raid and I do just fine in m plus
tawny sable
i just didnt expect the weights to be almost the same as my boss weights
even in my best haste gear i'm at like 14.5% at 374ilvl
spice surge
Also, having stats over agility isnt unusual at all
tawny sable
yeah that part i know to be true
just stat weights for the script put me gearing for haste instead of mastery/crit which most people say is best for m+ so i thought i might be doing something wrong. 4 bosses 40 sec gives me weights closer to what is said to be better for m+
something wrong with the script i mean
dapper moat
Im just too lazy to have dungeon gears and raid gears set up.
twilit quiver
about that empowered garrote thing;
wouldnt it be technically better to vanish garrote right after your first garrote runs out? as you garrote twice out of stealth each time, prolonging the timer of your garrote anyway, you'd waste like 5 seconds of empowered uptime if you pandemic your opener garrote while vanishing. If you'd let it fall off and then vanish > garrote > x > garrote you'd have maximum efficiency, no?
spice surge
It doesnt matter if you garrote twice or not as long as you get a full garrote
tepid cedar
Hey guys, kinda new to rogues, is bloodmallet ok for checking general BiS trinks and gear?
spice surge
Herodamage is better
spice surge
I mostly just play rogue so cant really say, probably though
tepid cedar
Cool thanks
worldly ledge
@twilit quiver during a 5 min boss fight like Taloc. I mean when u use bl on the floor level u can do the g vanish g. Its kinda cool idea yeah
velvet kernel
G vanish g ?
worldly ledge
So u have a full 45-50 sec empowered garrote during vendetta
worldly ledge
Amm yes! Thanks @velvet kernel
So its foolish to use V-G when u have 2 sec left from the first empo garrote?
thorny shore
guys its a good choice drop some mastery for haste during tyr weeks?
twilit quiver
Cloudzilla, depends on setup really
velvet kernel
Tb
worldly ledge
Yeah I play tb
velvet kernel
Well nah
velvet kernel
Like if u wanna min max best is like 0.5 secs
worldly ledge
I see. So i have to use it precisely.
@velvet kernel u play exang?
twilit quiver
@thorny shore I'd do it tbh.
velvet kernel
Yep @worldly ledge
worldly ledge
And what is ur opinion, it worth nore than TB or it fits better for ur playstyle?
strange python
Exsang for m+ always
velvet kernel
I use exsang because I cba to change from m+ and it sums higher for me cause of my haste
@worldly ledge
worldly ledge
@strange python I know that exang is for M+. I was curious about raid bosses.
@velvet kernelhow much haste do y have unbuff?
spice surge
Its not just about haste, its about traits/trinkets n stuff
For raids just use what sims the highest
crisp hollow
DD, Archive, SS setup currently my top simming for ST with exsang
do you guys take TB on Mythrax?
debating if i even wanna sim for that setup at all
all other fights are short enough for exsang to pull ahead or have cleave
crisp hollow
oh wow 150 damage difference between exsang and TB at 95th percentile
exsang it is then
strange python
Yeah
spice surge
Like if you really wanted you could prob hold exsang and use it on every add if you want 100% progress strats
But for parsing i dont think it matters at all
strange python
TB is always kind of more sustained damage
crisp hollow
I haven't done it on mythic yet
strange python
around 7.30
spice surge
7.30-8.30
crisp hollow
god damn
patent topaz
I play exsang and always do more then the other rogue that plays tb on mythrax
strange python
Yeah but they might suck
crisp hollow
"the plural of anecdote is not data" - some podcast I overheard in the library
patent topaz
think he is equally good, less experienced maybe
crisp hollow
but yeah WCLogs shows it may as well be a preference thing
strange python
TB is more used in Uldir overall
crisp hollow
negligible performance difference at high percentile
strange python
On each fight
patent topaz
play what you prefer for sure, I prefer exsang and galecallers
crisp hollow
which is weird to me
cuz exsang sims a lot higher patchwerk for me on earlier fights cuz so many are short
patent topaz
sims 50 dps more than tb for me
strange python
Mythic fights aren't short though
patent topaz
but I like exsang galecallers combo
crisp hollow
i kinda new TB = long, exsang =short
patent topaz
I dont play assa on either of those
patent topaz
I play outlul, just because
we cheese so theres always a ton of waiting, so just KS for adds
crisp hollow
taloc 3:54, mother 4:14, fetid 3:46, Zek 5:38, Vectis 5:25, Zul 3:11
as per my parses
patent topaz
we had some new people yesterday, one shot fetid, 5:03
crisp hollow
at 5min exsang and TB are very close for me, anything less and exsang pulls ahead
crisp hollow
yeah i dont have a good score on that fight because i popped vendetta thinking we'd go longer then raid lead said "actually just lust we can burn from here"
patent topaz
my parse on fetid is always dogshit, I have a bad spot to stand in and small adds/big add die juuust in time so my uptime on boss is low
hard cove
just killed fettid for the first time yesterday and i played like total garbage any tips for maximising my dps on that fight ?
on mythic i mean
crisp hollow
basically beg to be assigned the big egg
patent topaz
im on small add team and my dps is always shit
hard cove
im on the small add team too
crisp hollow
you can cloak as your circle is about to expand to make it not expand
hard cove
ahh i did not know that
i think ive fallen into a bad habbit of getting too used to the playstyle of assassination in m+ and it seems to be hindering my raid dps
coz im a benched raider / zul bot for my raid team as we have 5 rogues
crisp hollow
what changes in M+ for you?
hard cove
the whole play style and i run 2x SS traits and exang
where as in raids i run 1 ss 1 DD 1 archives
and use toxic blade
crisp hollow
you don't need to change it like that
obviously sim to compare but 2SS+archive
and exsang
should be fine on every fight
esp if it makes you perform better
hard cove
hmm i never considered that 😛
i just see most top rogues running TB even with 2x SS traits
so i figured it was the more stable option
its not that i dont know how to use TB
my dps parses are just dog shit in raids
yet in m+ i can hold 16-18k dps throughout a dungeon np
crisp hollow
raiding imo is a lot easier than M+, what with encounters being the same every time and whatnot
just a matter of knowing the fights
hard cove
yeh alot of the fights are still new to me xD
i mained tank for the first half of the expac
so i know all the fights down to a tee as tank spec
but ive barely done much raiding on rogue outside of mythic
think ive killed maybe 6 of the bosses in heroic
and the same ammount in mythic xD
i geared mostly through m+ lol
crisp hollow
i have so much less reps on each boss that i have to be satisfied with purples because i'm either benched or unavailable
versus last tier doing the progression and knowing it like the back of my hand
i have maybe 11 total pulls of Zekvoz and Fetid combined smh
crisp hollow
mother and fetid are strat reliant so you could probably get a pass on those
hard cove
we use the heroic strat for mother
hard cove
zul we use the 5 rogue strat
nah we lust in room 3
but we send people through 2 at a time after the first group
crisp hollow
oh ok, I know the heroic strat as just kill Mother outright
hard cove
so group 1 goes through as a whole with tranq
then 2 at a time after that
then get into room 3 with mother on 40-50% hp and lust and kill her
crisp hollow
yeah thats pretty standard, we do it with two big groups of 5
hard cove
not great for dps padding
crisp hollow
spirit link mandatory tho
hard cove
but good for killing her quickly
yeh we dont have a resto sham
so we gotta use this strat xD
for zul i feel like our team is screwing our rogues over though
almost every pull we are losing 2 crawgs permanently right off the bat
and the first crawgs are usually dead in the first 20 secs
i feel like thats not meant to happen if your using the 5 rogue strat
crisp hollow
a guy failed his trial on tuesday for bladestorming crawgs
spice surge
I mean, why are you playing sub then
Tornado build without adds is the most miserable experience
hard cove
yea
hard cove
first night we were doing 45-50k dps
now we are lucky to be above 35k
the feeling when you shuriken storm and only get 3 combo points xD
crisp hollow
the first set is kinda understandable because of lust but yeah i get triggered when a couple die outside of that
lotta 4CP eviscerates
hard cove
yep
onyx raft
Last night the crawgs were dead 24/7
for me atleast
Feels like everyone really like killing them
crisp hollow
but i bring it up and the other rogue says "nah we're fine" because he already has his orange parse on that fight so fuck me lol
hard cove
i feel like people are like well we've killed him once now its time to cheese the aoe xD
crisp hollow
doesn't matter that we haven't cleanly killed Zul yet and the last phase always involves kiting
hard cove
ive asked our raidleader / main rogue if it feels to her like the crawgs are consistantly dying too fast and never get an answer
crisp hollow
just once i'd like to have perma uptime on shuriken combo and not have someone get assblasted in the soak order
while we're asking for things maybe prioritize dispelling the sub rogue's fear over the other dps
because ive walked off the edge a solid 5-6 times
hard cove
xD
thats pretty bad
we dont have issues with dispels tbh
i feel like our team is prioing dispels on rogues
coz they know we are more than 50% of the boss damage
crisp hollow
i don't talk to our healers the rest of the week if that happens
literally its only thing in this game that upsets me
when a BM hunter gets saved on zul and the spec that makes the strat viable in the first place doesn't
hard cove
the only thing that upsets me in the game is bad m+ groups
coz im primarily an m+ player who raids on the side
like last night a group depleted a TD 12
the dps looked like this me on 17k mage on 13k warrior on 11k
and warrior was in 2/3 of the canons
i was in the 3rd
crisp hollow
man one night i turned down the usual people i push with because a friend asked me to fill in for their rogue
quaint flare
U think pugs will kill mythic fetid after the changes?
strange python
they already do though
crisp hollow
i don't think sin rogue should be outdamaging frost mage and havoc demon hunter on overall, esp when both were in the 385-388 range and im 379
basically turned down pushing 17-18's to fail 14's for 3 hours
quaint flare
Most only do taloc mother tho I'm sure a couple do beyond that but It isn't the standard
crisp hollow
dang do they do vectis without a WA?
quaint flare
Hmm I need to find said pugs
strange python
Why would you need a WA for vectis
crisp hollow
im in Pho, we live and die by the WA
quaint flare
strange python
Like spreading?
hard cove
yeah
strange python
DBM and BigWigs handle that
crisp hollow
a lot of our WA's involve taking DBM/BigWigs data and making it more visible/streamlined
hard cove
the one i use has a list of the names of everyone in your group
crisp hollow
like a teleprompter
hard cove
and tells you whos next to take the debuff
crisp hollow
or the WA tracks who's at the lowest stacks within their group and makes a loud noise to alert them that they're next to soak
strange python
Only problem may be the intermission
But usually people that have low stacks take the debuff
crisp hollow
also marks them with the appropriate sign to show the group where they are if its jumbled
i can believe its doable without the WA but having it makes that fight comparable to Taloc
strange python
Yeah I don't doubt that
But my guild never needed it
I just hope next tier is better than the current one
I really disliked Uldir
strange python
Nighthold was a dope raid
royal lantern
maybe make a raid that has ranged mechanics that are not only´´spread´´ and melee that are not only ´´stack now´´?
crisp hollow
like what the fuck were they thinking with mythrax
purely spacing boss
with important positioning
in a tiny room
alpine rain
so im noticing on logs that some rogues save Exang + Gale to use it together
and other use it seperate
pins say use seperate
crisp hollow
together on pull, separate on their second use, together to line up with vendetta
solid nova
The pin says that as well.
quaint flare
@solid nova 
crisp hollow
are any mods NA?