When sims says so
#assassination
spice surge
lethal heart
depends on your gear
for sure
on traits you use
i wanna say
that when you run double dose traits its more likely tb will sim higher than exsang
grave trail
im so used to my rotation without exsang though
lethal heart
but if you run shrouded
i wanna say exsang will sim higher than tb
but thats purely
wild guess from me
which looks logical
spice surge
2ss is 100% exsang, with only 1 its pretty varied and idk what really makes either one go ahead
lethal heart
but in general just go for what sim goes for
but if difference is like
100 dps
or like lets say 1%
2% even
just go for w/e you're more comfortable
its not big difference and depends on timing
what is gonna be better
grave trail
how does a rotation with exsang look like for you guys
acoustic geyser
whats considered stronger, 2 x SS or 2 x DD?
lethal heart
2x DD definitely for pure single target
will sim higher
but idk i play 2x SS
i like it
spice surge
I'd recommend checking resources such as herodamage.com, they give a really good overview of trait strength
lethal heart
!guide
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Assassination Guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/
lethal heart
palying exsang is kind of counter intuitive
lethal heart
because you have to refresh your dots before pandemic
because it doesnt influence
how you play
acoustic geyser
i have both sets of traits, so ill do some testing and see how it feels
lethal heart
at all
you just do standard rotation
i guess
nothing changes when you play DD vs SS really
neon stump
Hey guys,whats your ilvl?I have 379 and and i cant get higher unless i get titanforge,any tips for gear farm?
gentle rapids
Farming high m+ keys since you get more drops that way and just pray to RNGesus for titanforges
lost sentinel
I haven't gotten TF from M+ yet but I've got like 6-7 370s with gemslots
spice surge
You can also do arenas
Having 2.1k gives you a 380 (or 385 azerite) every reset
and right now its fairly easy to achieve because the season has been so long and rating inflation is a thing (compared to a month ago for example)
grave trail
IS 14K DPS decent for 361 ilevel
wide willow
Hello, a little question about exsang usage. When it comes off cooldown, should I hard refresh both bleeds and use it or maybe delay it ? and should I also delay the 2nd vendetta to match with the 4th exsang ?
lone junco
@grave trail I am 17k at 370. But can flex as low as 16.4 with bad traits. Each 10 ilvl seems to flex about 1k dps. So a bit low, but good traits and trinkets will help.
spice surge
Refresh rupture if its under 20 seconds, refresh garrote if its on pandemic @wide willow
And do it the seconds BEFORE exsang is ready so you dont delay it
lone junco
That being said I have very good gear for 370.
spice surge
You delay vendetta to line up with 4:th exsang and vanish yes
grave trail
okay
well in my shoulder pieaces i have tidal surge
pieces*
and the one with ss wich is 10 ilevels lower sims lower
wide willow
okay, thanks
fresh ginkgo
got chest from cache 
🔫
karmic ingot
Doom’s Wake/Lion’s Guile sims higher than Galecaller’s Boon for TB. It also doesn’t have the positional requirement so in practice it’s likely even farther ahead.
tulip wedge
may have missed it but does the taloc trinket buff make it competitive?
spice surge
All resources are updated, but its still not very fantastic
tulip wedge
off to simtown i go
topaz notch
3x SS should be best for m+ right? i mean cant really sim it myself, cause every week and every dungeon is different
so just if someone got the knowledge of it
karmic ingot
SS is good in in any quantity in M+.
spice surge
Yes, with equal ilvl SS is definitely the goto
karmic ingot
A lot of people run 1 or 2 scent of blood traits too though. It is pretty strong once you have multiple ruptures out.
lone junco
@tulip wedge 385 taloc is not better than 355 fathoms or 365 gc for me. so 🤷
frank haven
how come ravenholdt says shrouded suffocation is a top single target trait, but bloodmallet rankes it very low down ?
frank haven
ok thanks : )
strange python
um hey guys
cen i ask u guys somting ?
how do rogeu get there cleave out ting assin
dont get it
ok so if I understand that correctly
Rupture + garrote is your "aoe"
As assassination
Spreading dots
so thet it ?
cen i marco them togeter ?
no
ok
just be fest tap
pulsar pilot
Garrote + rupture + fok + deadly poison is toolkit
Crimson tempest asw if talented tho
topaz notch
@spice surge i did not know about herodamage, thanks!
burnt temple
Are the ravenholdt guides the most up to date and accurate?
supple hearth
Usually yes. If there's anything that needs updating you should reach out to the authors
outer spoke
after looking at the guide so haste is our worst stat in mythic +?
lone junco
yeah. haste is a huge boost to energy. once you have 4+ ruptures out, you will E cap quickly
thus dead stat..
other than that, you need crit for cp gain on fok.
so we spec M+ as Crit/Mastery
noble parrot
guys what do you think assasination rogues dps should look like with ilvl 353 in pvp?
eager linden
noble parrot
ty
latent locust
is there a way to enteer old BT this week? everytime i run to instance i get ported to TW. noone answering in tmog so maybe i can get answer here
warm heath
was vers so bad for us?
why* sorry
*why is vers so bad for us? * i cant fucking type
royal lantern
vers is bad for pretty much everyone cus its the most boring stat ingame
you are slightly better in everything, thats vers
meager quarry
can someone give me some advice on this? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hpz68FbTmw93DyZSTTJ4Pu double dagger in the back obv going to sim higher but idk
strange python
That is if u're 100% time behind the target
meager quarry
Yeah, feel like I should swap at least one for twist the knife
Even though it’s 200 less in the sim
marble magnet
what's the difference between parry and dodge
marble magnet
is it different mechanically
strange python
Don't think so
Same shit
Block and parry are both considered successful attacks that hit. Block reduces a portion of the damage where as parry negates all the damage. Dodge is considered an attack missing and therefore negating all damage.
When a warrior's special attack is parried, he does not spend all the rage cost associated with that spell (even though the spell fails). Miss, dodge, or block events will consume the full rage cost when the spell fails.
little sandal
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Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
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https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
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strange python
94% rup uptime and 86% garrote uptime 😬
what is this opener https://gyazo.com/eab8bb959d1e261af8347e4cd2cc2d68
no enchants on weapons
Read the guide
ebon garden
i just looked at my own zul kill the one time i went assassination and it has 80% uptime of rupture, i blame it on the raidleader literally going berzerk if i focus boss
normal bough
Can someone please explain
Garrote
Rupture
Garrote
Vendetta
Toxic Blade
Envenom
Mutilate till 4+ combo points
Envenom
Vanish when Garrote runs out
Garrote twice
Why would you garrote rupture then garrote again?
And why does it end in garrote twice?
(from ravenholdt.net - One or more Shrouded Suffocation powers for Toxic Blde)
cinder sparrow
did u jsut played assa rogue more than hour ?
normal bough
Yeah, I still can't understand why we would garrote twice in a row
supple hearth
pandemic
cinder sparrow
to extend the duration
supple hearth
Pandemic was the passive for Warlocks during MoP, which allowed DoTs to be refreshed upto 50% before. It's now baked into all classes as standard at 30% or whatever. So if your Rupture lasts x seconds (no idea what it actually is), you can reapply it at 6 seconds and under, and nothing will be lost. You'll then just get a longer second Rupture.
plain spruce
!snek
strange python
wrong channel buddy
normal bough
@supple hearth ok, I now understand pandemic
but still confused at garroting twice in a row
as won't the second garrote remove the empowered garrote from nightstalker?
supple hearth
thats why you play subterfuge
normal bough
ok got you
supple hearth
cunning needle
has herodamage been updated for the buff to construct overcharge (taloc trinket)?
fresh ginkgo
have to wait another month for a chance for ss shoulders
clear vapor
You can get them from zandalari emissary for horde too
fresh ginkgo
yea thats what i ment
they dont rotate fast enough
never gotten that shoulders yet got the chest like 4 times in a row
cunning needle
cool and from teh looks of it it's still rather garbage?
normal bough
another question.... does vendetta empower bleeds that are already active?
the 30% dmg increase, if I already have rupture & garrote on a target, will that bleed damage be increased by 30%?
or is the 30% dmg increase only applied to garrote/ruptures that are cast during vendetta?
lone junco
@normal bough it's because of the SS as well. It makes for cheap 3cps. And g r g mut r. Makes for full duration pandemic of both garrote and rupture. Then vanish into 23sec SS garrote.
Vend buffs any damage during its duration.
crystal pilot
@normal bough its only empowered during vend's 20 second window, if you want your bleeds to be snapshotted you should go play feral
multi-dotting on zul will help your dps a lot. more bleeds = more energy
amber arrow
spice surge
What
lone junco
Isn't it green
lone junco
It might be red when you are oor and ui helps you out.
spice surge
Very green
dusky tinsel
bleed knife red 
obsidian cove
can you shadowstep to monk statue in ghuun to take the second gateway to dunk?
dusky tinsel
Don't think so, but ask him to drop it and see. Can't step to totems I don't think.
if its Mythic then monks should be using RoP anyway over angry dave statue
spice surge
He meant jade statute
And the jade statue sometimes bugs so you cant jump to it, idk what causes it
drowsy parcel
statue shadowstep bugged (?) on ghuun for me, just said "You can't use that here" whenever i tried to step to it
worked fine on the ground
for druids it worked always
i ended up doing the first run in my orb group
astral gyro
So I don’t see it in the pins anywhere, but, do we dump ilevel for favorable traits?
I would assume no
on azerite pieces
balmy perch
what sub azerite talent is used to zul?
sour wraith
2x FD and archive i believe
spice surge
@astral gyro Depends on how bad traits you have, thats why you use raidbots to sim yourself
@balmy perch there is a guide in the #subtlety pins
balmy perch
i have hoarded all my 370 azerite
spice surge
Ok nvm its no longer in the pins, but its recently posted
spice surge
Unless you have truly awful traits not really
astral gyro
sounds good
spice surge
For ST
quick ice
velvet kernel
if the contruct is any lower then 385
digital moss
does sim has updated stats for construct because bloodmallet and herodamage does not seem to have them
velvet kernel
you go darkmoon
green saffron
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Assassination WA's for BFA:
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https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
quick ice
Its still not an amazing trinket, just less bad than it was.
Plus 385 of it is arguably easier to get than M+ trinkets.
blissful hull
how many ilvls on a ring is a socket worth?
silent flare
depends
versed bobcat
Do many of you play w/o any SS trait? I sim higher with arch arch double Dose, eg. But w/o even one ss trait i tend to do less dmg than with it
silent flare
usually around 10-15
blissful hull
I have a 355 version of the band of certain annihilation and somehow its superior to my mythic level base ring?
quick ice
@versed bobcat on bosses, or like, overall M+?
steep burrow
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Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
zenith plank
ok so question.... please dont roast, but does it still matter to be behind the boss as a rogue for melee swings?
quick ice
Definitely. Bosses can parry/block attacks from the front.
Major damage reduction if you let them do those.
Plus having say, TB parried is awful feeling.
zenith plank
ok... now i feel really stupid, i bet my parses would be way better if i didnt do that
most of my parses are high 80's low 90's but i can get them higher than that if i dont do that lol
@quick ice waht is TB if you dont mind me asking?
quick ice
Toxic Blade
quick ice
Yeah, and it doesn't apply the debuff if it does.
zenith plank
well rip
waxen field
think im doing something wrong on fetid at least, could anyone see why ? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/2gX6JvDMfycpCr4L/#fight=9&type=damage-done&source=22
apart from the fact that i got CT instead of poison bomb (im big dumb)
quasi pewter
if your on 4cp and garrote is about to fall off you can garrote then envenom
but dont mut
if you dont have to refresh garrote you envenom on 4
or rupture if its about to fall off
waxen field
i c
quasi pewter
but you should look at the guide in the pins
its all covered there
your garrote uptime is also a little low
waxen field
ok ! ty !
astral gyro
by doing higher dungeons
steady hollow
do u need to beat the key in time to get +lvls?
steep obsidian
you get a lot more score if yo udo it in time
astral gyro
Ideally you time it
steady hollow
ok thanks, i feel like i didnt get any + for doing a +8 tol dagor which was about 4 mins late i think
lost horizon
Ex: I've seen 12 in time worth more than a 14 out of time
astral gyro
And you complete a 12
steep obsidian
i think you have to do it early in the week too maybe
before the learderboards fill up
im not 100% sure on that coz i never paid attention to it
steady hollow
okay thanks guys, appreciate the help
astral gyro
Don’t think it matters
lost horizon
That's less of an issue unless you're doing very low keys on a high pop server
lost horizon
Raiderio now shows what the minimum is to be recorded on your server
steady hollow
if i havnt done a m+ dungeon yet, should i even start with like +5/6's to get raider up then?
lost horizon
If you go to your character page
lost horizon
The main thing to remember for score is that you have to push all the dungeons
astral gyro
can push your own key
even the ones that are a pain in the ass yeah
sitting on 960 because I just hate shrine of the storm lol
lost horizon
You can have much higher/better keys and still be lower score than someone who instead pushed all the dungeons
I have a 9 siege cause I just never had the key LOL
astral gyro
I spend most of my time spam tanking atal dazar and freehold 10-13’s on main
steady hollow
aight thanks guys 😄
lost horizon
FH is the dream
astral gyro
Drawback of that though is that I know fuck all about the ins and outs of most of the other instances
lost horizon
That's really rough as a tank
As DPS it's less of a big deal as long as you've got a strong communicative group
astral gyro
yeah it just needs
Practice
But hard to get practice because you goof up somebody’s key the flame is bound to happen
lost horizon
Do you use MDT? If not it's a really strong tool
astral gyro
I’ve been considering it
lost horizon
It's really nice, and the UI is way better than I initially thought it was gonna be
velvet kernel
MDT is amazing
knowing what you are going to do before you do it will make it much easier
lost horizon
Just do shrine and siege e z
lost horizon
That's a pretty bad spread tbh, but just do a 9/10 of the ones you hate
Just once nbd
inner pecan
if you hate shrine as a sin rgoue you're gonna have a bad time
velvet kernel
i do m+ on lock dont @ me
steady hollow
how often do u get M+ keys out of dungeon chests if it wasnt ur key that started the dungeon?
inner pecan
literally the dungeon with best gear for you
velvet kernel
delete your key
velvet kernel
whats ur main?
astral gyro
Blood dk
astral gyro
I know but I like to have alts
velvet kernel
hmm i guess
lost horizon
The only problem with pugging for score is when people are smart about how they check you
astral gyro
What does that entail
lost horizon
Keeps you from jumping from a lowbie key right to a high key even if you've done other high(er) keys
For example you might have an okay score but with some low keys
lost horizon
I've got a 9siege for example, if I applied to a 14 they may not take me
Despite having done other higher keys
boreal spoke
ss or archive of the titans for M+?
lost horizon
Cause it shows highest for dungeon
velvet kernel
well i think that matters if you are applying for a siege
astral gyro
right
Well most of the other dungeons I would literally only do for the score
the stuff I really need I have pretty high already
Decently so
lost horizon
Yep, but unfortunately they may not take you to a specific dungeon if your highest for that dungeon is too low
velvet kernel
add the good ppl you find
astral gyro
yeah I get ya
velvet kernel
though
lost horizon
Only really an issue for slightly higher keys/more selective pugs
But def agree, add good people
Ran with a good group last week
Managed to get the exact same group going for a couple runs this week
lost horizon
Add em and make notes of who they are/what they play so you don't forget
I'm horrible with names and I accept like almost any invite so I had to start putting like "M+, disc priest' to organize people lmao
astral gyro
yeah I do that too
strange python
Finally got my rogue to 120. I mained Assassination during Dragon Soul.
astral gyro
I spammed timewalking this week to get my rogue 110-120
I never knew it gave so much exp
strange python
Niceu. Yeah that's how I leveled a couple of my other toons. The rogue is my 10th 120.
simple meteor
can you get 370 head with SS from emissarys?
drifting elbow
leveling up with TW
u r crazy
there seems to be one head that has SS but nobody has reported for getting it
astral gyro
It really seemed way faster and less tedious than questing
I can’t be asked to go through the quest lines again
and island spam is too mind numbing
astral gyro
I was getting like 500k exp per dungeon
astral gyro
so it was like a level every 2 or 3
velvet kernel
damn
velvet kernel
ripperino
glacial steppe
i was at like 18 or 19k dps shortly before i picked up my orb
velvet kernel
mythic?
drifting elbow
well ppl get good parse without being in last orb turn
just get orb like 1min before kill
orange ofc
nimble tartan
please respect my 93s
please respect my 30 ghuun parse
im on seal team 6 p1 im chillin alone in the corner with 1 tentacle boi
have u tried new mythrax yet
i havent i wanna just mongo it seems like its like super free for melee now
just full mongo
quasi pewter
you can all stack behind boss now pretty chill yea
lost horizon
My raid had spent like a bit under 2 nights total on mythrax and had a pretty good fluke last phase pull. Then it got nerfed right before our next raid (Thursday)
We had 5 absences that night, brought in 3 people who'd never seen the fight one who was like a 1-2 week fresh 120
Still got the kill, nerf was huge
I feel robbed of actually killing the boss prenerf
But also fuck that boss is dead 👌
With all our absences we probably couldn't have killed it without the nerf
short arch
233,0
steady hollow
can u only get azerite pieces from weekly M+ chest and M+0 dungeons?
steady hollow
so u cant get them from the chest at the end of m+ dungeons?
spice surge
No
steady hollow
hmm i now understand the fuss about it being a bad system lol
thanks Eleen
Eleem*(
steel terrace
!azerite
prisma monolithBOT
Do my azerite traits stack?
The damage part of azerite Stacks.
Other components can be assumed to stack however with some exceptions and limitations.
You can check https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/azerite-stacks/1t-t22-assassination for estimations.
ocean marten
lone junco
@grave trail outlaw has proc response, and bones tracking. Need a good WA to be competitive.
that being said, i dont see a reason to play outlaw right now.
sin 3t is godly. sin aoe is good if not great. and sin ST is better than outlaw st.
lost sentinel
Main reason I don't like outlaw is cause of sinister strike rng, annoys me and isn't responsive enough
lone junco
higher apm for less dps is weird to me.
lost sentinel
I don't mind RTB but it'd be cool if slice n dice was competitive
lone junco
that being said, I havent simmed outlaw in months. I have bags and bags of shit. so ill give is a run.
lost sentinel
I don't feel like dropping from 380 to 370 weapon heheh
lone junco
only 1.3k dps loss.
ocean cargo
lost sentinel
yeah, depends on traits/talents/stats etc.
sockets too
I'm still 375 but I got like 6-7 sockets heh
but only 1 385 azerite piece... at least 2x 380 weps
my socket slots sim better than the 385s I got for those slots too
spice surge
The best example is 15 ilvl on weapons VS 15 ilvls on bracers
Its 1 ilvl overall both of them
But one is worth like 3-4x as much
lost sentinel
yep
socks on some pieces are like worht 15ilvl, at least in comparison to some secondary stat combinations
fresh ginkgo
in toldagor is there any way rogue skip the cannon mobs with out deathrunning it?
royal lantern
you can sacrifice vanish too break aggro i think
mount up, hope you dont get dazed, run too the end and vanish should work
sturdy python
Youd have to be more than 20 yds away when you vanish. Doesnt include the group
royal lantern
thats why i said hope you dont get dazed
but yeha, not a viable start or something
fresh ginkgo
just best to shroud to avoid those mage pack and the dude guarding the door?
sturdy python
depends how your group pulls I guess. We pulled for %in my last one cause we skipped all cannon mobs
fast bison
Hi, what's the best way to simming for m+ (fortified)
spice surge
!m+
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fast bison
Thanks!!!!
lost sentinel
I hate the cannon pulls in tol dagor, I hate doing the cannon
strange python
I like doing cannon gotta pad
vocal wave
So as Sin on Fetid, I remember having a discussion here about shadowstep on Fetid. And was told that I shouldn't be SS'ing at all on Fetid and to face my back to a wall. Now the main issue is that I don't have the option to face mny back to the wall
unborn vale
what difficulty?
vocal wave
Mythic
unborn vale
you might have been shadowstepping within 11 yards of them and wiping ur grp
lol
fetid mythic is such an aids fight ;-;
wary reef
Is Outlul not an option? You have the grappling hook at least
burnt temple
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Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
nimble tartan
Never had issues stepping to boss on fetid
U should be able to and never drop on tanks they are p far away from ur step spot
stable pine
Shadow step appears behind the boss? Tank is in front of the boss? How is dot going to drop on tank from shadowstep?
wide bolt
@vocal wave https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/233915185042161665/501010073070469120/unknown.png
If you stand where the frost dk is positioned in this picture and shadow step after every stomp you should be able to stay on the boss without spreading it
I would clear that idea with your RL/Melee officer first though
Of course you just have to be careful if the boss moves and has to be repositioned you may have to just not be on boss to allow the tanks to reposition as easily as possible
burnt temple
Seems like sin has minimal 8.1 changes. Are the azerite additions/subtractions good changes?
brave gyro
Yo guys, how did you manage your CDS for Mythic feted ? Im assigned to the big add
i just use mine on 1st and 3rd set
and 2nd pot on 2nd
flint walrus
Anyone here got time to check my simc top gear and help me pick out what would work logically as Sin? (Main outlaw here).
lone junco
You want someone to predict the best combo?
- Archive
- Dd. SS.
- Ditb, twist, blood rite, sharpknife
Good talk.
storm drift
“How to be a good outlaw rogue?” Answer= “spec change to assassination”
jaunty bluff
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prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
crystal pilot
does anyone know if blood rite or archive of the titans is better for pvp?
or twist the knife
also, does anyone know if double dose shows up on dps meters? i've been trying to test the proc rate to see if it would be worth in pvp but it seems like it either doesnt register or doesnt proc
spice surge
it does
You can just count the procc rate, 25% without envenom and 64% with
titans is better
crystal pilot
I was watching my auto attack damage and when i'd attack with offhand, about every 2nd or 3rd hit would do an additional 1k damage
so i'm guessing it isnt showing up on my dps meter
spice surge
What?
strange python
Perhaps you shouldn't use DPS meter from 2004
spice surge
Double dose proccs of mutilate
crystal pilot
I'm using the latest version of recount :/
errr
details*
i do not know why i said recount
i just tried using mutilate to see if it proc'd from that and it seems like it does. thank you
strange python
Any tips for exsanguinate playstile?
crystal pilot
run shrouded suff, get full duration on your bleeds with garrote -> rupture -> garrote -> mutilate -> rupture -> exsanguinate
gets the most out of the exsan
make sure you get both of the garrotes you do while still benefiting from subterfuge
strange python
so when do i use galecaller's boon after opener
do i use it on cd
or i delay it for..exsang?
or something
crystal pilot
I've never been lucky enough to get one, so I dont really know, if you were to use it during exsang, you could get more energy to stack mutilates during it and make the burst even bigger
I've only ever gotten it to burst 28-29k, but i've heard that people can get it above 35k
strange python
yeah , my opener is like that but later i fuck up something
spice surge
Its in the pins
strange python
Oh? ok il check it thanks
acoustic latch
How do you guys handle Fetid mythic. I am so upset cause I am walking so much and I feel wheelchair :S
I know I can do shadowstep every 30 secs
and have Sprint, but still
strange python
today i did it i was so paranoid i did so bad dps 😄
cuz everywhere i go i have blockade on the way like 5 ranges with circles dont let me pass
acoustic latch
exactly
😄
my dps is alright so far, but we're not reaching that far in the fight
so it's banking from the start
main monolith
archive / SS / DD u archive /DD/ditb is best?
strange python
sim
tawny sable
using the m+ script what do you do with the "simulationcraft input" that it produces at the end of the how to video?
copy to clipboard then what
tawdry breach
!m+
prisma monolithBOT
Dungeon Fight script: https://pastebin.com/sggpE4Km
If you want to get stat weights add this additional ```calculate_scale_factors="1"
scale_only="strength,intellect,agility,crit,mastery,vers,haste,weapon_dps,weapon_offhand_dps"```
How to use it(video):https://streamable.com/929ww.
tawny sable
how does that help me? i've done that, as far as i can tell. I don't know what to do with the results
tawdry breach
Oh don't misunderstand sorry, I did !m+ because I needed something myself. It wasn't a reply to your question
fickle latch
3x Archive vs 2 archi + 1 shroud ?
tawdry breach
I believe you want to Sim that
spice surge
@tawny sable Your results are there
No need to do anything with the sim imput, thats just if you want to sim it again
worldly bone
spice surge
1ss and something else
coarse quartz
I was watching the M+ method blizzcon tourny
why was the rogue using crimson tempest?
i thought getting ruptures on a few targets and just envenom fok-ing was the best?
tropic shadow
crimson is huge on big pulls, then you go and tab target ruptures
rich crow
Is there a macro to use galecaller with vendetta?
tawny sable
i think you should use it with exsang not vendetta but i could be wrong
spice surge
You could theoretically macro it with vendetta yes, its not optimal but it works
Assuming you somehow see that its ready at 1 min and use it
gusty ice
best way to sim m+? 1 min, patchwerk, 5 bosses?
spice surge
!m+
prisma monolithBOT
Dungeon Fight script: https://pastebin.com/sggpE4Km
If you want to get stat weights add this additional ```calculate_scale_factors="1"
scale_only="strength,intellect,agility,crit,mastery,vers,haste,weapon_dps,weapon_offhand_dps"```
How to use it(video):https://streamable.com/929ww.
tired garnet
Hey guys, is there a place I can read up on how pooling works and situations when you want to pool?
spice surge
You generally dont
Or rather, it doesnt really matter. It feels like its better but sims say the difference doesnt exist
tired garnet
Really? I guess I feel like my energy flow is really bad
I guess I am using mutilate at the wrong times
is it a large dps loss to pool energy
spice surge
No
But its not a gain
They're equal
But in general, as long as you use your cooldowns, keep your bleeds up and dont overcap on energy/cp there isnt much extra damage to gain as assa by doing fancy plays
tired garnet
Okay that is good to know, I tend to pool right before I use toxic blade to get more envenom + multiates out
I am not using exang yet
crude bay
You should always get exsang within vendetta yeah? I have a tendency to not get exsang in my second vendetta
spice surge
As long as it means you dont lose out on an vendetta cast yes, you delay vendetta for exsang
The second vendetta you need to delay anyway, because vanish isnt up. So you delay it so you can use vanish+vend+exsang at like 2.25-2.30
crude bay
Yeah, i forget that sometimes
static temple
should i run 2x SS and exsang for killing small adds on mythic fetid?
stable pine
They don’t live long enough? I prefer TB for the small adds
spice surge
Yeah typically for small adds you go either TB or switch to sub
Exsang is amazing for big add
empty quartz
for crimson tempest what are the conditions to use it
strange python
i wouldnt use it on explosive week
burnt temple
Hey are the ravenholdt guides outdated?
civic palm
No
supple hearth
No
quick ice
So my guild should kill mythrax tonight, and I have a G'huun question. Is blindside worth taking since the big DPS struggle is the sub 20% phase? Or is it too big a loss in the rest of the boss?
burnt temple
Was just curious since double dose shows as top on herodamage but guide says SS? Sorry if it's a dumb comment. I'm just looking at rogue for the first time
muted jacinth
wouldnt bother with blindside spooce
karmic ingot
@quick ice there are literally 0 parses for M G’Huun with Blindside.
quick ice
Well that certainly answers my question. Cheers guys.
ionic charm
Has anyone had success shadowstepping to a mistweaver statue on the side for running g'huun orbs? I keep getting the error "Can't use that here" unless i'm like directly under the raised edge, and I get los issues there
spice surge
@quick ice Blindside is truly awful, if you have 1 (or possibly 2, i dont remember) double dose traits, its not worth to use blindside outside of the procc
Gl hf with the boss 😃
quick ice
That's a bit sad that the talent is so worthless.
spice surge
Gutripper traits are pretty 🔥 for ghuun though
quick ice
Yeah I have 2 of those. Might be able to add a 3rd even
signal wave
anyone still here
quick ice
nope
frosty violet
As a game design choice, would you guys like to see Azerite traits around specific talents? What if there were a trait that made Blindside really good, would you enjoy finding those pieces of gear?
signal wave
ok i go away
quick ice
@signal wave ask away
someone will probably answer your question
@frosty violet I mean, so long as it worked without the talent, and just made that talent better-er than it is normally, yes
if it just improved only the talent I would not like it
signal wave
so im a newb to rogues, played a dh for a while now, and have just used my boost on a rogue. having some issues with rotation. could someone help a gal out?
quick ice
!guide
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/
quick ice
have you read this?
quick ice
which part don't you understand?
signal wave
jst want someone to tell me a rotation. like an opener and continuer and just regualr rotation
i have never understood guides. i have always had someone tell me
frosty violet
!guide
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/
frosty violet
That's as succinct as it gets
signal wave
it might as well be written in another language
frosty violet
There's nothing more clear that someone could say
echo night
frosty violet
CT has been working well for me this week, provided you don't have a tank that pulls one at a time
cobalt gyro
Is meticulous scheming bugged or something? It sims higher than my other pieces at the moment, but after makinga weakaura for it so i know when it proc'd, i feel like it just never procs
worldly ledge
@signal wave for single here is my rot with SS. g r g vendetta muti g muti tox enve muti enve muti enve.
Without burst the vendetta part comes later.
M+ g g g CT g fok rup and if there are no more target for rup fok enve
broken crypt
should i use 2 SS or 1 SS and 1 DD
errant mauve
For what @broken crypt
digital kettle
errant mauve
Yeah M+ I do 2SS and 1 archive because my 345 ss doesn’t cut it.. then raid I go 2 DD and 1 archive although I think 2 archive 1dd might be better slightly but I haven’t simmed it yet
quick cipher
i must say that 1 ss over 2 archive is simming much better by far roughly 150 dps more
broken crypt
thanks
wide horizon
any m+ guide for rogues?
ass*
like what to do in huge aoe packs, you can only garrote like 4 mobs
civic palm
unpowered garrotes do as much damage as rupture, you don't need to garrote literally everything on the planet.
subtle root
gotta pad those meters though
winter moss
if you have SS use the first 3 gcd to garrote enemies, then put on 4-5 ruptures, if SoB Traits 5-7
refresh CT if the dot has less than 2 secs
vagrant mauve
@wide horizon You start from stealth and garrote 3 targets. Then you use those 5 CPs for CT on all of the targets. Spam FoK for CPs and spread Ruptures to 3 to 5 of the targets (pref those who live the longest). From then on you just spam FoK and Envom the priority target and keep up Crimson Tempest. Then you will have to make an assessment whether or not you need to refresh Garrote and Rupture when they fall off on the targets that are still alive. This depends on the key, which type of mobs and how good your gear is, ofc. Garrote and Rupture also gives you a lot of energy regen, so I've found that on most packs I will have to atleast refresh Rupture on 2-3 targets. Garrote is a different story as it doesn't do anywhere near the same damage as when it is cast from Stealth with SS and Subterfuge. You can however Vanish and do those 3 Garrotes again if you want to keep pumping out a lot of dmg.
magic plaza
just look logs , every good rogue is using SS trait in uldir,not double dose 😄
civic palm
Yeah just kill everything in 3min and cheese every encounter. 👌
steep obsidian
^
winter moss
exsang snapshots right?
civic palm
Ye
winter moss
hmmm
civic palm
Exsanguinates takes the current haste values and doubles them for the duration of the bleeds on the current target.
That is it.
inland verge
I cant find anything about the last (most inner) ring. I heard there was one that was ideal for raids but I cant find anything about it
civic palm
?
inland verge
The ring before the +5 ilvl. The one with things such as longstider, vamperic speed
I heard there was one that mythic raiders flat out require
civic palm
I dunno about that.
Mostly because for raids you are gearing for item level while not maiming your DPS traits.
inland verge
So I shouldnt even get caught up in that?
civic palm
I don't think that there is anything that is flatout required.
But some are clearly better than others.
inland verge
alright, thank you for your help
civic palm
Sure thing.
strange python
Guys will we get nerfed pve wise in 8.1?
strange python
nice
civic palm
Yes.
SS is probably going to see another nerf if I were a betting mans.
and I ain't.
quick ice
maybe SS will get the sub treatment and do a completely different thing 🤷
inland verge
Do you think they will nerf SS its self or Subterfuge's SS bonus?
quick ice
I would have thought that changing the way an azerite trait interacts with a specific talent was a bit too confusing, but maybe they've done it for other classes
inland verge
what do you mean?
quick ice
like, if subterfuge provided a reduced value only to shrouded suffocation, that would be confusing, from a tooltip and understanding perspective?
inland verge
sorry i meant garrote
tawny sable
I keep seeing you garrote x3 and not x4. why not 4? I know the 4th used to be bugged but that was fixed.
inland verge
I assumed they would try to nerf subterfuges garrote dmg buff to tackle pvp if anything.
drifting elbow
because 4th garrote is less value without subter buff
u just do other stuff that are higher prio
blazing forge
drifting elbow
for raids they are usually same value
m+ there could be differences
but hard to see % in dungeon run
vast forum
Exsg is just far better with ss traits in m+
runic basin
can me someone explain the changes for sin with 8.1 ?
*Garrote the enemy, causing (108% of Attack power) Bleed damage over 18 sec.
Assassination (Level 42)
Silences the target for 3 sec when used from Stealth
Awards 1 combo point
spice surge
It requires a melee weapon now, IE cant be used while disarmed
So essentially nothing changed for pve
runic basin
ty
verbal slate
hello so i've been doing a lot of looking. >.< what are the best trinks to use for Hero raiding? some say loaded dice and the water glass from SotS. but i've seen so many and still pullin great numbers. i've simed my 355 dice and looks to be about 1.1k ( no luck on ther drop for the other one yet)
verbal slate
so doom off the world boss is still highest >.< lol tyvm
spice surge
Or swap to exsang if you're running that and get the best trinkets for that
strong sundial
Is one ditb 385 better than second ss 370 in raid? Simm says yes but I heard that simming ditb is a little bit tricky.
spice surge
It assumes 100% behind the boss, but you can also edit your position to be "front" instead of "back"
And you'll get what it sims as when you're infront
strong sundial
How can I edit that? xD
spice surge
Oh /simc no longer includes positions
But just type in position=front under your specc or something in the thing you copy from /simc
strong sundial
I‘ll try, thanks a lot!
delicate crater
Anyone here have advice on progression order past Zek Voz? Does everyone go to Vectis or is Fetid possible?
spice surge
Fetid is possible sure
But its a lot harder than vectis
In terms of damage and healing required
delicate crater
the reason we are even considering it is because we will have all our big dps here this week, but we are out a main healer and having to run a backup healer
we heard Vectis was more healing intense and FD was more of a DPS race
worldly raft
!m+
prisma monolithBOT
Dungeon Fight script: https://pastebin.com/sggpE4Km
If you want to get stat weights add this additional ```calculate_scale_factors="1"
scale_only="strength,intellect,agility,crit,mastery,vers,haste,weapon_dps,weapon_offhand_dps"```
How to use it(video):https://streamable.com/929ww.
royal lantern
vectis is pretty much braindead for dps/tanks, but stressfull as hell for healers
wary ice
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
quick ice
@royal lantern clearly your DPS are more on-the-ball than some in my guild.
opaque grotto
Yeah if you have that weakaura Vectis is a meme
royal lantern
@quick ice ? vectis is pretty much a patchwerk fight with a target switch every ~20sec and some light movment
quick ice
Let's just say that even with the WA somehow one of our ranged groups requires constant vocal guidance on who to pass to next or bad things happen.
winter moss
bench
royal lantern
if that stuff happens multiple times......they should maybe dont do mythic cus its such a shit easy mechanic lol
quick ice
Weirdly they're all fine on everything else
I think we've killed it enough they can handle it silently now, they just don't.
royal lantern
tunnelvision is a hell of a drug
happens when people only care about dps for high logs n stuff
stable oxide
That looks like some shady stuff
obtuse ruin
is DH supposed to beat rogues in ST fights?
raven mica
royal lantern
normal spear
wtf this luck is absolutely illegal
but ok, this week i got 2x 385 daggers from mother. won't complain
jaunty crystal
Here I am still running fathoms and a 390 frenetic that barely outperforms my 365 dice.
native dome
Eyo anyone have any videolinks explaining assa in m+? Looking for instruction in how to AoE properly with and without CDs thanks
simple ocean
Did you watch the video in the pins
native dome
Method one? Yes
simple ocean
P sure there was another one out there as well. Can't remember 
native dome
holla at me if you do
normal spear
luxthros' guide is good, isn't?
normal spear
maybe you have a specific question?
native dome
nah id just like to see how its played if you're aware of moofzy from the hunter discord has made videowalkthroughs of how he plays in m+ where he explains his choices for each pack
id prefer something close to that as possible
I just dinged my rogue and have never played rogue before
My goal is high m+ so I'll be looking through VSpeeds pov vids from his runs but he doesn't explain anything really id have to figure it out myself
normal spear
for each pack?) that sounds pretty detailed. i don't believe you'll find something like that
strange python
you will not
normal spear
i'd suggest starting from the beginning: talents and azerite traits
strange python
learn to play urself
normal spear
coz rotation differs
strange python
with the help of guides
native dome
He explains the dungeon from start to finish pausing the vid between packs to explain choices its great really
strange python
native dome
How many targets do want rupture on? I feel like all im doing is spreading rupture at what point do i start using envenoms
spice surge
I mean, you would use crimson over using envenom
fallen ginkgo
Progging on mythic ghuun, any tips for cd alignment, specific traits or talents?
native dome
Would you use crimson over envenom 100% of the time?
At what point is it worth reapplying crimson over using envenom
royal lantern
why would you use CT over PB in fights like taloc or mother? there is 0 reason for it, adds need too stay alive for more then a couple of seconds for CT too be worth it
spice surge
He was asking for m+ advice, but yeah
stark ingot
can anyone explain the double garrotes in the 'One or more Shrouded Suffocation powers for Toxic Blde'
sturdy python
You pandemic garrote to get more damage from SS
stark ingot
Doesnt pandemic just need 1 cast to refresh though, i dont understand the need for two casts, unless its jsut for combo pts or something.
dusky inlet
@native dome use both
stark ingot
nevermind i get it now
sturdy python
In opener you have to cast it twice
During the fight you don't have to double it if you can pandemic whatever is already on boss
dusky inlet
Why do you have to cast it twice
stark ingot
when your refresh dots early they get the extra duration
dusky inlet
That doesn’t answer my question for why it is cast twice back to back
sturdy python
Because of the pandemic mechanic
dusky inlet
Pandemic is best when you refresh at >30% duration no?
stark ingot
thats only to not lose dmg
sturdy python
You only get SS benefits from stealth, so you cast it twice to maximize garrote time
dusky inlet
Can’t you do that by refreshing later? Lol
sturdy python
Well it's more than 2 seconds
wheat zealot
Its longer than 2 seconds but yeah
sturdy python
Something like 6-7
stark ingot
yea since snapshotting is msotly gone im assuming its SS garrote > extended by 2nd garrote > 3rd garrote is back to normal dmg
dusky inlet
Okay now I got it
stark ingot
cool thanks, just made a rogue for first time 2 weeks ago for zul, trying to learn it more so i dont suck ass doing 10s
do you garrote a 2nd target immediately in m+ or stil lgo for the buffed duration garrote
maybe buffed duration if its on a tough guy? that will live longer?
strange python
watch guide
steep matrix
!guide
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/
fluid drift
You want to apply as many empowered garrotes as you can in m+, especially if you have SS (shrouded suffocation trait), so preferably open with 3 garrotes from stealth on 3 different targets
try to garrote 3 high hp mobs so they live long enough for the whole bleed
and if there are only 2, you can garrote twice on 1st mob and once on 2nd mob. It would be slightly more optimal to garrote target 1, garrote target 2, and then garrote target 1 again for maximum uptime/duration
crude plinth
Hey all, I have already Galecaller's Boon trinket, wich other one trinket is good to have, I play with exg
cobalt pelican
it depends, fathoms/harlans/deadeyes are usually good shouts
obtuse ruin
is DH supposed to do more dps than rogues in ST fights?
dense quest
depends on the DH and the Rogue
obtuse ruin
?
languid ore
Equal gear? According to simcraft, yes. But barely.
oblique jackal
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
primal estuary
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > mastery > vers >= haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.
native dome
Can someone tell me the opener for a big m+ pack w cooldowns and the entire shazam
4-8 mobs
garrote x3 CT vanish garrote x3 rupt exsan ?
fossil tundra
!m+
prisma monolithBOT
Dungeon Fight script: https://pastebin.com/sggpE4Km
If you want to get stat weights add this additional ```calculate_scale_factors="1"
scale_only="strength,intellect,agility,crit,mastery,vers,haste,weapon_dps,weapon_offhand_dps"```
How to use it(video):https://streamable.com/929ww.
strange python
What are your opinions on the various trinkets ? what is best for single target and aoe? I currently use fathoms and gale callers boom for single target
But got no clue on aoe / cleave
languid ore
fresh coyote
is there an updated M+ guide anywhere?
normal spear
check pins. method's guide
primal gazelle
@native dome i would use ggg ct vanish, ggg ct, vendetta, fan of knives, rupture, exsang
CT is pretty strong especially at 8+
tropic shadow
I've been running some sims using the dungeon fight script above, what conditions make poison bomb outperform crimson tempest? Is there a target threshold?
primal gazelle
throw out enough ruptures to keep your energy bar up for 5 pt CT spams
tawny sable
why not 4 garrote?
woven compass
4 garrotte seems unreliable at best depending on ping
native dome
4th garrote could be unbuffed
strange python
yup
sturdy python
If the packs are large enough then yes you want to vanish GGG once you can. CT spam if the pack is large enough but make sure your ruptures are up
ie. Watch Method guide
short token
in m+ what's the next best trait outside of ss and aot?
strange python
Just did motherload +9 and now i want to kill myself. Just recently picked wow up again and this week is just pure cancer
quasi ledge
Did an 11 the other day, wasn't as bad as i thought it'd be (even had an Enh and a Feral). Taking advantage of being able to death skip to the last 2 bosses is great on Fortified
vapid moth
@strange python I feel you. Did a +12 today after being out for a week and a half
Motherload was legit the worst dungeon to do this week I think
shy escarp
i haven't done a M+ since the hotfix on explosives getting half hp
maybe I won't feel so compelled to run outlaw on explosive week now
oblique jackal
twist the knife any good for 3v3?
ruby idol
Just play PB for explosive weeks
Ct is punished really hard by spending energy on mutilates
hazy skiff
Does anybody have a link to the weakauras that used to be pinned?
brisk sedge
@oblique jackal 1 ss and 2 scent of blood
oblique jackal
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
oblique jackal
@brisk sedge ty!
hazy skiff
ty!
oblique jackal
no worries!
round harbor
Outlaw makes it so easy
crude bay
Either have a good dh to handle, or go outlaw if grp doesnt need slow
Underrot is the easiest this week
desert vault
!m+
prisma monolithBOT
Dungeon Fight script: https://pastebin.com/sggpE4Km
If you want to get stat weights add this additional ```calculate_scale_factors="1"
scale_only="strength,intellect,agility,crit,mastery,vers,haste,weapon_dps,weapon_offhand_dps"```
How to use it(video):https://streamable.com/929ww.
vernal sequoia
nimble tartan
Dont play it 🤔
civic palm
lol
heavy briar
what would be the best dps talents to run for m+
lone junco
Garrote.
peak saffron
do only bleeds give energy regen? not poisions?
civic palm
Poisoning the target with the bleeds, makes the bleed ticks give energy.
peak saffron
ahh okay. thank you
patent topaz
didnt kill mythrax yesterday 
marsh bloom
Whats pandemic for CT?
winter moss
12*0,3=3,6
quick aurora
hey, what 2 should i choose out of fathoms deck, dead-eye spyglasses and gale callers for raids/mythics as sin?
winter moss
but refresh it at 2 seconds and u gucci @marsh bloom
@quick aurora
but id take a wild guess and say galecallers and fathoms sims highest
unless dead-eye is 385
quick aurora
ok great thanks , fathoms is 60k i better farm more golds lol
oh and if dead eye was 385 would i pair it with gale or fathoms?
odd wing
quick aurora
okies
fast gyro
Anyone feel like ripping apart my log and trashing me? Performed pretty mediocre and as much as id like to blame gear im certain its my play 😛 Havent played rogue in raids for a long time
floral frost
whwere are the logs
fast gyro
I can imagine dot uptime being trash
Probably really poor use of toxic blade as i simply forget to use it
Also guessing my items arent really optimised statwise
But other than that ive really lost experience so some general pointers would be great
tropic shadow
One of the best dps upgrades is practice and a solid set of weak auras
floral frost
toxic blade yeah, you have 1 cast in phase 1
fast gyro
Oh yeah for sure my ui was horrible
Thats the first thing i will do get it setup better and get some weakauras
Was an alt run so figured i could gear the rogue a little :p
Question i wanna use vanish on cd with SS right?
Or save it for when adds spawn like zekvoz for example?
floral frost
i'd say on cd
yu have ss?
ur opener is also wrong
and ur overwriting empowered garrote with normal ones
shut pollen
I think un want to pair it with vendetta. Since the first vanish is used a bit later than vendetta u’ll have to delay it for a bit. The only exception to this is when you only have time to squeeze in 1 more vendetta and delaying it would cause you to lose 1 cast
fast gyro
My opener is usually Garrote Muti rupture Garrote
if im quick i can fit in the 4th garrote
or does that garrote count as an out of stealth garrote?
Because then yeah im messing up the empowered garrote lol...
floral frost
you have 3 casts after stealth cause GCD is always 1 second
vast forum
You can't fit 4 globals in subterfuge
floral frost
but do you have shrouded suffocation trait?
fast gyro
Might have not had it for taloc
tacit steppe
its actually only 2 casts after stealth and 1 during
fast gyro
Ok so learned only 3 skills :p so i wont do that garrote anymore then
Will check the ravenholdt guide in more detail if i go on altrun again 😛
cant check right now but im fairly sure i had SS for a few bosses
floral frost
if you have SS, you want to garr-rupture-garr
fast gyro
Ok noted
floral frost
read the guide, should have lots of stuff you don't know
fast gyro
Also you dont want to reapply garrote for the first one out of stealth right? So you dont overwrite the empowered one?
fast gyro
Yeah had a few looks at the guide but really noticed in practice i was missing a lot of simple things.
floral frost
you want to vanish - garr - garr
fast gyro
ALright cheers for the advice guys
floral frost
np
fast gyro
Gonna work on the ui and weakauras
And reread the guide a few times :p
And practice ofc 😛
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
fast gyro
Cheers
worldly ledge
In my opinion Lokkeks is the best, because of the original cp counter. I like it more than the others
winter moss
still need someone to rip logs apart?
fast gyro
If you enjoy doing and have time to spare sure thing
Got some pretty good advice already tho so if you dont have the time please dont waste it haha
strange python
@winter moss do u mind ripping any loggs appart or only rouge ones?
winter moss
ill print them and rip apart any logs :D
just reading conversation to see if there is advice i can give
strange python
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/vD4GWmnXaJNrxBYP if ur bored and want somthing to laugh rip the demonhunters logs apart 😃
winter moss
@fast gyro your rogue is an alt right
fast gyro
yup
Mostly play disc priest and done some shadow dps
but always loved rogue so always got one max level
But im certain the gear is pretty messy
Ass need Haste > Crit > rest right?
quick ice
Roughly yes
floral frost
ST yes
quick ice
Emphasis roughly
winter moss
just a guideline, sim tells you more about your specific statweights
fast gyro
Simming is probably best to see what stats i should pursue
fast gyro
Haha i lurk these forums a lot :p
winter moss
but wild guess, haste
floral frost
what do you guys prefer for M+ siming?
winter moss
!m+
prisma monolithBOT
Dungeon Fight script: https://pastebin.com/sggpE4Km
If you want to get stat weights add this additional ```calculate_scale_factors="1"
scale_only="strength,intellect,agility,crit,mastery,vers,haste,weapon_dps,weapon_offhand_dps"```
How to use it(video):https://streamable.com/929ww.
quick ice
I like that, but I don't M+ much these days
winter moss
since your rogue is an alt, i wont go to hard on it. your rings are not optimal, you need some more haste and uptimes are already mentioned
as you stated above, rereading the guide sure will help
and practice
fast gyro
oh yeah i did