3-4 is the most I like to properly manage
#assassination
dusky inlet
woeful field
seen a few " guides " saying "keep up 3 ruptures"
dusky inlet
Will do more on massive pull for energy
wide bolt
Also that agi from scent of blood
dusky inlet
3 garrote 3 rupture typically
woeful field
okay
wide bolt
If you can run the trait
woeful field
only have 1 shrouded, archive and a 385 Dagger in the back ;S
dusky inlet
Lol my traits are garbage
hollow junco
dagger in the back can go straight to hell
dusky inlet
Only been back on my rogue a week and Iβm already impatient yikes
woeful field
just recently switched to rogue for mythic+ since our group lacked a dedicated rogue
quasi ledge
Exactly a month, plus how ever long it'll take to get the currency
jolly comet
wonder if they are gonna have double azerite traits. like a piece with two SS. a guy can dream right? π
dusky inlet
Why would they do that
woeful field
i think blizz will put together 1 good trait and 1 totally garbage one xD
or 1 mediocre and 1 garbage xD
quasi ledge
It'll be like the Netherlight Crucible, it won't double stack traits
jolly comet
yea they prob will do that pro
woeful field
or 2 garbages ones ;D
dusky inlet
I switched to rogue to have fun again, Warlock was solid but holy shit it was boring once I figured it out
jolly comet
yea my main is BM hunter rogue is so much more fun. i feel like im contributing way more with stuns and silences
woeful field
<- longtime mage main but rogue is so strong in m+ ;S
quasi ledge
And Mage isn't? :p
woeful field
yeah mage is too
but since i can play rogue and another player on our group literally can play boomy/mage/warlock it was a no brainer ;D
jolly comet
well we are getting that new trait that is the ghetto version of our artifact ability
im sure that will be decent
quasi ledge
Vendetta one? It's gonna have to do a lot of damage tbh and the energy from it is completely pointless
jolly comet
yea the old kingsbane one
wide bolt
Eh we already get the energy from vendetta baseline idk how big even more energy will be
wide bolt
Haste will scale even higher so energy will become less of an issue regardless
quasi ledge
Just bring back Kingsbane and put it in instead of Venom Rush
jolly comet
yea i think kingsbane used to give like 120 energy and they had to nerf it in the middle of legion
quasi ledge
Kingsbane on it's own didn't, there was a legendary that make it give 40 over 5 seconds
jolly comet
ahh yea thats right
quasi ledge
Yeah it was just generally very middle pack compared to bracers
wide bolt
I miss passively doing execute dmg
and having both of my shoulderpads instead of one via a talent
jolly comet
well you got dispatch now π
quasi ledge
I keep going to say "Oh i'll wreck once at 30%.. oh wait"
wide bolt
Yay a mediocre talent
jolly comet
haha
wide bolt
Still dont know why we got PB instead of Kingsbane as a talent
quasi ledge
Imagine bracers on G'huun
lone junco
Got Zul shoulders last night so my st is 2x Dd. Jumped my simc by 3%. Not bad
jolly comet
wish venom rush gave like 3 energy back when FoK as well as the current effect or something.
quasi ledge
The whole talent is just garbage. They turned it from being taken 100% of the time, to 0% of the time :p
lone junco
The mut e reduction is pretty limp.
It should apply to blindside and per hand for mut.
quasi ledge
Replace it with Kingsbane. That'll be an interesting row
lone junco
Kb would def compete with exang and tb.
Esp if tuned.
Gives you something to press. But they like Passives in column 1
quasi ledge
The way TB and Exang are tuned as well, it'll go more towards a personal preference row
quasi ledge
Ugh, that was amazing on AoE
lone junco
Flat mut reduction is limp.
quasi ledge
Big Karazhan pulls, never needing to Rupture just FoK/Env spam
oblique smelt
Is it possible to solo dunk orb on Ghuun as a void elf assassination rogue?
lone junco
I doubt.
quasi ledge
Maaaaybe?
lone junco
Double step void is sub
wide bolt
Maybe as velf the more consistent way tho would be sub
oblique smelt
π¦ i wish i could play sin
dont wanna play outlaw or sub, dont enjoy them as much
Sub and Outlaw is pretty easy
sullen sphinx
Nothing easier than sin lol
jolly comet
yea sin not that hard imo. although i prob parse like 75 80% or something
oblique smelt
i meant in the way that i wish i could play it on the fight
jolly comet
oh
oblique smelt
but need as many people dunking solo as possible
lone junco
I got my fingers tripped up some last night. Had been playing ma tb for a week so going back to exang made a pretty lolzy opener.
jolly comet
LOL
sullen sphinx
I asked earlier but forgot to check back. Toxic blade or Exang for mythic vectis. 1 archive 2x SS
quasi ledge
If you have Galecallers, then probably Exang
undone sandal
Would assume Exang
quasi ledge
If add isn't dying, probably TB
undone sandal
Exhang usually sims better (for me) when i have <2x SS
sullen sphinx
Iβm not asking about top dps. Asking best for the fight/add dmg
quasi ledge
Sim for ST then between TB/Exang. Others can do a lot more damage on the add and you can do a lot more to the boss
sullen sphinx
I aim higher with TB
strange python
then play TB
sullen sphinx
Sim*
strange python
π
quasi ledge
If the add isn't dying for whatever reason, swap to TB and use it on adds
undone sandal
But Vectis is a dps fight though
sullen sphinx
Itβs a kill the add fight or am I all wrong
sullen sphinx
Yea
strange python
Add is dps check
sullen sphinx
Thanks showbiz
strange python
But its more of a mechanical fight
undone sandal
Well it's one or the other. You can pretty much ignore the tactics (more or less) if the dps is high enough.
So I do agree with you.
strange python
No
quasi ledge
If people actually swap to the add it's not a DPS check, it'll only not die if people just tunnel boss
sullen sphinx
Yes Michee but what I sim highest as overall wont necessarily be best for a burst every thirty secs
It may be
But not always. And I have no exp with sin so Iβm seeing what you guys do
quartz dew
I liked exsang on it a lot, helped with killing the 2nd and 4th adds we were struggling with
strange python
Play what sims higher
quasi ledge
I assume you're starting progress on it or?
sullen sphinx
Yep
quasi ledge
Depends on your set up. I just DoT the add at this point and focus boss
If it's not dying in time, you'll have to start swapping. Use TB as normal on pull and then hold it for the 2nd add, will then be up for each add
sullen sphinx
Ok thanks for info
next maple
Yo π wich build should i use as Rogue on King rest 11 this week with theses affixes?
Sub or Sin ? Crimson mastery or poison bomb haste?
strange python
or u have to maintaine orbs on explosive weeks
u can spec into pb cause u mainly keep ruptures and envenom orbs
undone sandal
I have a question on azerite traits. I seen that all the top rogues in m+ either have like 2x archive + 1x ss, 1x archive + 2 ss, and some have 1-2x SoB + 1-2x SS. I got a 385 SoB Shoulders in my chest today, but it sims worse than my 370 SS (both ST and 3 targets), I have 3x SS atm.
I didn't actually specify the question, it's more that I don't understand it, am I simming wrong? Or is SS just that good?
quasi ledge
Depends on affixes/dungeon
If you can reliably put out multiple Ruptures that'll last, SoB is good
random scroll
or just take CT and speed up the pack so you've less orbs overall
undone sandal
Yeah, but i'll always go with what sims higher, right?
round harbor
just go outlaw and do your 11 and be done for the wek imo
outlaw its by far thebest for explosive week imo
random scroll
ye no point of debating what's good on this shitty week let's just take some holidays
enjoy some other content/games/life
and forget it ever happened
king's rest more like devil's rest
@undone sandal Simming mythic+ is tricky, it all depends on the pulls your tank is doing, the comp you're running and the speed of the pack
SoB ramps up better than SS, while SS provides more burst damage
as showbiz said, the more targets you have
the better SoB will be
and even more if the pack last long enough
undone sandal
Okay, I am usually simming 3x bosses, 1 min for trash, but it varies if the tank does good pulls and pulls like 5-6 mobs or small packs with 3 mobs.
random scroll
you can usually sim 6 targets for 40s to have an idea
quasi ledge
Feel like SoB is only worth on Fortified weeks, and then most of the time you'll be using CT which reduces the amount of Ruptures you'll be putting out. Kinda down to you and how you like to play tbh
random scroll
but sims for m+ aren't the best for traits
it's good for stats
but if you have identic ilvl
just take SS
quasi ledge
End of the day, unless you're pushing 15-20s, it's not gonna make much difference at all
random scroll
it's better on single target damage, provides more burst on packs
since i'm guessing won't last long in the level of keys you're doing
undone sandal
That's the thing. SS trait is 15 ilvl lower.
undone sandal
I am trying to push at least 15s.
random scroll
SS scales well with m+
what traits do you have ?
like available to use
and which ilvl
undone sandal
Head: Laser Matrix (370) or SS (340)
Shoulders: SoB (385), DD (385) or SS (370)
Chest: Dagger in the Back (385) or SS (370)
right now I am using 3x SS
random scroll
it's good
you can swap to SoB shoulders once you get to 15+ fort weeks
it'll help aoe damage
undone sandal
Yeah, got SoB today, so haven't had chance to try it.
I am aiming to swap out 340 helm with 370/385 Vectis (Archive) helm.
strange python
i took the helm from shrine out the weekly
random scroll
pro rogues have 385 helm
390 with the neck
and they face high key bosses
where a 340 ss would fall down a bit
but for lower keys SS's doing perfectly fine
even at low ilvl
if it's the same ilvl then you'd go SS anyday
8.1 in a month so you'll be able to get your 390 SS head π
undone sandal
Oh damn, juicy...
all out SS for that sick pop. And feel super sad when tank is chain-pulling.
random scroll
ye pug groups have trouble playing around rogues
and let's not talk about sub rogues
brave rampart
Ss head from what?
random scroll
from shrine I think ?
random scroll
shrine or freehold i don't remember frm where it comes
quasi ledge
Shrine
patent tide
+8 is good ?
random scroll
thats a good start
brave rampart
Do as high as you can but like cheating a 12 feels ambitious
Chestimg***
God dam mobile
hollow stone
Any of my homies able to chat rq about fine tuning m zul? I know our job as rogz but had a couple other questions. Sorry, i know this is off topic but the players in here are pros so hmu if you can. Thx
grand trail
scent of blood vs twisted blades on vectic?
cosmic pier
royal lantern
scent of blood is bad on vectis....?
you dont even have the time too setup a rupture
jaunty bough
hey when would you choose toxic blade over exsang in m+ ? is it dependent on traits ?
hollow stone
Its not rogue stuffs, thats why i didnt wanna dive in in the disc. Thx again guys and sorry for posting here i just love you guys
quasi ledge
@hollow stone Message me any questions if you want, was just sorting my Zul Sub gear anyway
jaunty bough
@quasi ledge ss traits and boon = what ? tb or exsang?
sturdy python
Probably exsang soundofkaos. Can sim to get a better idea
fresh ginkgo
i play with tb regardless because i find it easier xD
quasi ledge
Will have to sim to know for sure, but probably Exang @jaunty bough
What Gyu said also plays into it, so you'll have to just play it and see
winter gale
where I can find envenom buff weak aura?
lone junco
@winter gale mizerok kit has a good one as well.
desert vault
Good old Zul. Just started on it last night. Pretty silly. I am going to try tonight with my eyes closed and see how that goes.
mossy adder
Why do I see top assa logs on Mythrax using FoK instead of mutilate? I thought FoK was to be used at 3/4 targets and above?
hybrid oriole
Hey all! quick question (and sorry if it asked alot), will i reach a ilvl where haste arent as good as it was in lower ilvl, or is it haste all the way for assassination Brogue
strange python
Stat weights
@mossy adder https://gyazo.com/d6215059b8a7a418d762d50ad3191c57
6 casts
how is that using fok instead of mut
light narwhal
guys how much % haste would you say is enough ?
strange python
Have you ever fought mythrax? π
strange python
If its a top log, then that guy knows what he's doing
mossy adder
yeah that one is like rank 6 or something, im wondering why he uses FoK
light narwhal
thanks
mossy adder
i dont quite understand why he would
ionic charm
on mythic mythrax, you stack all the tentacles together
strange python
π€
ionic charm
and aoe them down
quasi ledge
FoK on all the adds stacked up, or maybe to knock people out of MC
dense quest
for the adds
dense quest
probably to knock ppl out
strange python
well if its not intermission
obv knocking people out
as its aoe and deals low dmg
mossy adder
here is my log for mythrax
granted i did a lot of safe tactics as in spreading out away from boss to be safe, using a lot of energy on defensives etc
but im trying to see what to focus on improvement for next time
as 15k is pretty low
ionic charm
well doing the correct opener would help, unless you know you did it wrong on that pull and it was just mechanical error
mossy adder
eg the outlaw rogue did a lot more damage to me, i normally play sub so quite new to me. I did the opener wrong as i didnt have vendetta on pull, we did a quickj reset and i didnt notice
i was trying to save CDs sometimes for the weapon as we lacked damage there
but maybei didnt need to do that
im not too sure
round harbor
@dense quest we had 6 I think
mossy adder
there must be a better way i couldve played it though
dense quest
yeh I am saying its crowed
round harbor
Buckoe logs on mythrax are skewed
round harbor
Some people are assigned to use their CDs differently, I hold my vanish vendetta for 1 min for example
dense quest
its to get ppl out
mossy adder
Im not expecting to get 95%ile for a first kill or anything but my assa log is very low compare to my sub ones thats all and id like to try improve them
how do you see it was to get people out?
on that link?
dense quest
I put it on events it shows what he hits
round harbor
I got 94 my first kill. Like 20 dps away from orange parse :((((
finite yacht
hmm how do i get the bot to send me that m+ simming thing
mossy adder
yeah true, i did that too in intermission so maybe it was just to knock people out
solid nova
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@finite yacht
mossy adder
im still like 4k behind him oin dps
finite yacht
thanks
round harbor
Buckie without looking at logs it's one of a few things.
Garrote rupture on boss + large adds at all time. EB uptime, pbomb procs, cooldowns useage on different mobs
mossy adder
Nah he was using fok in p1 tisumi
Yeah that was a mistake i saw i wasnt maintaining dots on boss when add was up
ionic charm
He could also just be doing it incorrectly
round harbor
If you pm me the log I can look it over when I get home in 20 and give you an in depth analysis if u want
mossy adder
As i wanted to make sure the add died cos we struggled a lot there
Sure man id appreciate that a lot
hybrid oriole
like i have seen on other rogues around my ilvl, they seem to be stacking 1 haste 2 crit
all the time since ive capped 120, i have checked my gear at over at Raidbots and havent worried too much of what my mainstat is since ive set my settings at Raidbots as: Smart Sim, Light Movement, 1 boss, 7 minutes, updated version. Smart reorigination array stacks, with optimal raidbuffs. Rest is set at "let sim decide" (runes, potions, flask, augumentation). Mastery always seem to out-weight haste. Am i doing something wrong?
round harbor
The generic sim is patchwerk 5 min
Although at certain levels of haste mastery can overtake haste
I have ~2400 haste in raid and crit mastery are technically my best stats now
supple hearth
I sim with crit as my top stat and I have mostly crit/haste gear
ionic charm
Mastery sims as my best stat, but I still sim higher with haste gems instead of mastery gems at 2300 raid buffed
ionic charm
but idk how to trust sims, my blightborne sims higher than dd at same ilvl
round harbor
Did has no aoe or cleave value
hybrid oriole
thats why i tryed to ajust my sim "to be more accurate"
tiny dagger
In raid running two SS trials and one archive. Should I be using exang or toxic blade?
round harbor
Whereas blightborne does
ionic charm
sure but even in st
granted, I like blightborne, i love having 80% crit when it procs, but you'd think dd would be great
30% base
err 29
round harbor
I'd take blightborne in nearly all scenarios
ionic charm
I do, just interesting to see how it works. Blightborne has OP and the DD would be gut, but even when I select neither t2 the blightborne is better
even when I select neither t2 the blightborne is better
tiny dagger
Sorry, I cut in while yall were discussing.
In raid running two SS trials and one archive. Should I be using exang or toxic blade?
round harbor
Sim it
Or just play what u prefer
I personally hate exsang so I run the 100% of the time
Even in m+
ionic charm
its not like TB is terrible in situations where exsang is good, but exsang is harder to use in many situations
so TB is more comfortable for a lot of people
modest zodiac
so we keep EP up even if evenom at 3 cps?
sturdy python
No
fierce tinsel
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nimble tartan
I got blightborne shoulders from cache gave me 150 dps over ttk shoulders pog
untold cargo
hey guys just picking up sin, how do you manage all the lost resources on targets dieing with a ton of bleed up on them
do you just not apply rupture/garrote to low health/weak targets
nimble tartan
Blightborne beating out archive mythic shoulders for me too so I gave them away feelsgoodman
sonic crown
Fathoms vs Doom's Wake....Fathoms sims higher, but is that because raidbots can't sync it with Vendetta correctly?
strange python
How much higher is it
sonic crown
15,458 vs 15,615 with fathoms being the higher number
strange python
370 dooms?
sonic crown
I have a 380 Dice, 355 Fathoms, 370 Doom's Wake
sonic crown
Just seems Doom's lines up so well with Vendetta
warm heath
was goign to try start playing my rogue again. do we want elaberote planning? ive gone over the guide just curious. then we want to use a finisher before you lose the buff correct?
strange python
Go over the guide
tranquil wave
Gale caller good still?
strange python
sonic crown
I've been arms all raid tier, but this rogue has so much more utility for m+ and everything that I enjoy it a lot more
lone junco
Remember dooms has a ramp up time. I have seen a few logs with vendetta doom tb vanish env rounds. . And it won't be stacked by then.
I haven't checked the apl for it. But the log timing seemed wrong.
sonic crown
Interested in how the opener works with Doom's.....Pot/Doom's before pull then start opener?
strange python
wasting
sonic crown
macro it w/vendetta then?
sonic crown
That's what I thought...crazy it sims 250dps behind sometimes lol..silly logs I'll just have to test it and see
lone junco
I don't have it yet. But I would want the ramp complete prior to exang. Would likely mean exang at the vanish instead of before. Idk.
Apl isn't tuned around trinket uses tho.
lusty furnace
I canβt find on the guides any information about when to pool energy, any tips?
lone junco
Right. And outside of tb, clip ep if possible. Without capping E.
It just slows down the spam a bit, so you aren't completely empty rolling into the tb.
lusty furnace
Why donβt we want to be empty going into tb?
lone junco
Tb is a buff to your poisons for 8? Sec. you want to fit 2 env min 3 if lucky.
Worst play for tb is Env tb. (Low e). Wait mut mut rupture. Mut. (Tb ends)
lusty furnace
Is so itβs better to refresh rupture and hold off for a second to tb so that you donβt have to refresh after you tb, right?
Assuming the refresh window lines up with a tb cast in that way
Iβve been high 80s logging, and I think managing this stuff is whatβs keeping me from oranges
lone junco
Best play is. Rupture refresh mut garrote vendetta tb. Vanish Env mut mut env mut mut env.
sonic crown
about 500 dps higher with dooms on dummy w/o bufs
lusty furnace
Well, tb happens a few times per vendetta and vanish
lusty furnace
Awesome. Youβd envenom after tb even at 1-2 combo pts, or youβd tb mut enven
lusty furnace
Thanks a ton, thisβll really help.
lusty furnace
Yeah of cz
lone junco
At the end of tb some times my rupture is falling off so I'll refresh at 2-3cp then refresh again at that pandemic.
lusty furnace
This is gonna help, gonna reach the promised land now
lone junco
Just a few simple things to balance.
Don't delay tb. Don't waste cps. Don't drop bleeds. Get 2 env per tb.
I hope next tier has more solid patchwerk fights. I still enjoy them most.
Ghuun is stupid. Orbs and beams and mini buffs.
Rip ursoc.
sonic crown
playing arms warrior is jokes in Uldir....so i've been the battleshout guy all tier
hoping to rogue next raid
wary ice
Why vanish -> env?
opaque grotto
Arms warrior is super sick in uldir the fuck
wicked gate
Ive read a few guides, and I have been left wondering; What does it mean to pool energy to maximize your envenom window?
sullen sphinx
Make sure you have enough energy pooled up when you TB to get two envenoms off
wicked gate
ok, sounds good. I'll pratice that
sullen sphinx
Also envenom increases your chance to apply poison
For 5-6 seconds
So make sure you can take advantage of that
wicked gate
so dont clip envenoms?
wary ice
Wouldnt pooling to maximize envonm window == mutilating to 4-5 cp, and env after the buff dies
with the intention being to slow down your globals so you can do tb's and vendettas fully
(full question im a baby rogue)
strange python
Your priority is Elaborate Planning
more than envenom buff
So you sometimes pool energy to keep EP going for longer
And you clip it
At the last miliseconds
warm heath
so by clip you just mean waiting tell like last second of EP buff?>
warm heath
k im just trying to figure out if i had like no energy how long would i need to pool in TB's CD to be good when it comes up
warm heath
ah ok
wary ice
One q i have is if I'm sitting on 4cp and non-subterfuge garrote has [pandemic-able] time left, does it make sense to refresh garrote to get the 5th co or env->garrote to start building for the next
wary ice
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tawny sable
Could I get some feedback on these craptastic logs please? My ilvl% is unacceptable and my transition from outlaw to sin needs to be better. Any feedback would be appreciated. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/WTYXzHyBfgvV4M7N
fading spade
Finally, rngesus has blessed me twice in the same night.
Apologies those screens were larger than anticipated
untold cargo
hey guys just picking up sin, how do you manage all the lost resources on targets dieing with a ton of bleed up on them
do you just not apply rupture/garrote to low health/weak targets
strange python
no
fading spade
Garrote no
untold cargo
so thats a situational thing with garrote
strange python
You only garrote your primary target outside of SS/Subterfuge
lone junco
It's based on rupture duration remaining at time of death. In cleave I just FOK FOK rupture. For tabs.
fading spade
Save garrote for the main target always. Mostly due to cd
strange python
Shrouded suffocation
warm heath
whats a good race to be or does it matter?
strange python
the azerite trait
warm heath
horde side
strange python
SS = shrouded DD = double dose (another azerite trait)
hard cove
what traits do i want for mythic fetted ?
untold cargo
trust logs
strange python
Well, a buddy of mine uses 1 archive and 2 double dose
Thats the best combo
but he has M zul shoulders and double 385 double dose shoulders
For raids
lean mortar
what is the thumb rule to choose between azerite power and ilv?
hard cove
i have 1 dd and 1 ss and 1 archives
or can use 1 dd 1 pw 1 archives
the ss are 385 though
pw shoulders are 370
untold cargo
really nice not having to deal with relentless strikes and nightblade
think im gonna like sin
untold cargo
they are alot longer
and garrote doesn't count bc you dont need to build to apply it
strange python
true
untold cargo
just feels nice
strange python
But you do need to refresh it
untold cargo
yea i dont mind that, its just hectic managing energy combo points and nightblade timing
its perfectly fine outside of fights like mythic vectis
fucking aids im parsing terribly on vectis with sub
strange python
Sub is garbage for vectis
dont worry friend, im a new rogue and im parsing badly as well
learned alot the this morning though
untold cargo
got the single target down, i have a feeling multi with sin is the hard part
havent even tested it yet
strange python
i've gotta play sub on zul tonight and i've never played sub before lol
untold cargo
you horde?
untold cargo
go to the 4 stacked dummies in dazalaor
royal lantern
how2sub on zul
untold cargo
just practice your pull with the 1 minute cd on shuriken tornado
royal lantern
step1:press shuriken storm, step2: press eviscerate
strange python
yeah ive tried the 4 stacked dummy, and i do like 20k lol
royal lantern
congratz, you can now play sub on zul
untold cargo
with buffs?
strange python
nah without
untold cargo
thats about right then
something not efficient but very easy to incorporate is using vanish on pull
to get a longer nightblade for your first big spend
SS>Vanish>SS>NB>Tornado etc
strange python
couldnt i just SS>storm>NB>tornado>Symbol>dance>spendspendspendspend
untold cargo
spose, havent given that any thought
cold dragon
I'm progressing on Mythrax and was wondering what y'all think would be best setup based on this sim:
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oS5YLPfoXyKF3JUR6GctKV
My main decision is whether to go TB or Exsang
strange python
exsang because it sims better
muted jacinth
just remember to take hidden blades for it!
strange python
what
cold dragon
I was thinking that I could use TB on pull, so that might increase the deeps a little on Mythrax. Also, I think I want Dead-Eye Spyglass over Corpuscle because its cleave
muted jacinth
juicy adds stacked on rock
ionic charm
you probably shouldnt be using hidden blades. Some top parses have it, but not that many. And even so, that damage isn't needed, the adds will die almost instantly if your group stacks them
cold dragon
PB?
cold dragon
Riiiight
strange python
You just go PB for every single fight in Uldir
cold dragon
If you look at the difference there really is none between exsang and tb. Imma just go TB, I can do on pull and more often
strange python
There is if you are mixmaxing
cold dragon
I think it evens out when you consider you cant use exsang on pull. 70 dps isnt something to worry about
cold dragon
I guess if your groups not struggling on the add. The progression strats I've seen all say to hold CDs for the add
untold cargo
can toxic blade miss or some shit
desert pelican
feelycraft question - m+ : 70 azerokk vs fathoms vs 75 pvp (1.6k agi 2 min) vs cannon 75 vs taloc 70?. for ct build and more aoe π
untold cargo
not seeing the debuff sometimes when i apply it
untold cargo
ah
tidal jetty
super annoying
untold cargo
thats doo doo
cold dragon
I think you want pvp + Azerokk for m+ @desert pelican
untold cargo
whats the best way to keep track of which targets need a refresh, or do you just look at the nameplate?
or is it just mental
cold dragon
I use nameplates
Default ones, but they suck. you prob want a nameplate addon if youre not using elv
untold cargo
i have threatplates
didnt know if there was some custom sin rogue config people used
i can just see losing track of who has bleeds up or not
lone junco
I use tidy plates and tab around and look at my WA
untold cargo
ahhh
but you are basically just tabbing and using weak aura so me using threaplates wont matter
i like that, very easy to see
lone junco
I see the name plates and aim for the ones missing rupture.
fringe wyvern
sup everyone, when's the best time to use lust on heroic Zek, just for DPS/parse wise? I just run pugs and a lot of people are saying during the orb phase or at 30%, but assuming you have solid dps and no problems with phase 3, wouldn't it be better just to lust on pull? Unless I'm completely missing something which I might be lol
sturdy python
Probably better for the raid as a whole to lust at start yeah, people with orbs would want lust during orb I'd imagine
fringe wyvern
Thats what I was thinking, but if the group lusts at 30% and you grab an orb, you're gonna be dead 30 seconds later anyways right?
sturdy python
Well hopefully the boss is dead
I usually grab the second in my raid and he dies as it ends
fringe wyvern
ok yea that makes sense, thanks dude.
iron chasm
Which one of the 100 talents would you take this week for m+? I've been playing with PB the whole time but thought about taking crimson tempest. What do you think?
patent topaz
alt rogue that we brought to 2 mother kills and zul progress now got 3 mythic daggers from 4 kills
seems good man
untold cargo
how is FOK more efficient than mutilate on 2 targets
mut does more damage vs 2 target FOK
icey veins says FOK on 2 or more targets
sturdy python
It's not, don't use icy veins
Use the ravenholdt guide
Pretty sure but is preferred even on 3t
Except for maybe keeping poisons up
untold cargo
ravenholdt says very little about cleave
Cleave
Crimson Tempest, if the dot has less than 2 seconds remaining
Garrote, if the target will live long enough
Rupture, if the target will live long enough
Envenom, the priority target
thats the entire cleave section lol
nm its in the combo pts section
velvet kernel
should i use cd's on pull for mythrax?
patent topaz
I use cds on 1st small add and then 1st big add in p2 but we didnt get through p2 so far
fallow cypress
isn't there enough time between the phases to have vendetta up for the add though? Hoping you're asking about mythic mythrax
fallow cypress
You should probably use cd's on pull for mythrax, unless your raid leader tells you that your job is to burst down the add in mythic and there's not enough time for cds to come back up between 1st and intermission
velvet kernel
kk
fallow cypress
I use cds on pull, and i have vendetta up for the add...but my guild is only a few pulls into mythrax so maybe we're not pushing it as fast? It just depends on your role in the raid
drowsy parcel
use cds on pull
first garrote drops off just before add spawns so you have vanish for that
you shouldnt have problems with the first add anyway
proper dagger
Is there anyone here that can help out with a log? I would like to know where to improve, and what I'm missing out. It's probably uptime, but I'd like to learn π
proper dagger
Alright, can start there
SORRY, THIS SPEC IS CURRENTLY NOT SUPPORTED π¦
ooh you can continue
small button haha
wide bolt
If you check their spec list its updated
idk why it says that its not updated
Yea just go for it
lol
proper dagger
OK, do you guys use vanish in your rotation on bosses?
Might be a very nooby question, but I gotta ask
wide bolt
If youre running master Assassin you use it after you're vendetta
If youre running subterfuge you use it to refresh garrote
proper dagger
Yea I use sub
normal spear
check openers for each talent variations
there is always a vanish follow up
guide is pinned above π
proper dagger
wowanalyzer already gave me good points
I'll start using the vanish in rotations, cheers for that
proper dagger
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Xn1z2NZwF9PtHQKh
Abbura is the toon
Cuz someone stole my name haha
sturdy python
Depends, someone in here the other day simmed higher with sub than MA with no SS or exsang
normal spear
you should sim toxic blade vs exsanguinate
sturdy python
Probably some weird stat distribution he had tho
normal spear
and yeah, no vanish is reeeeelly bad. you have 1 shrouded suffocation, so your empowered garrote is a big part of your dps which you don't utilize at all
proper dagger
Yea, I need to get into the habit of that
I simmed on raidbots
the difference is 0.3%
in favour of toxic
untold cargo
What do you guys use for cleave? find it very hard to keep up 3 garrotes/ruptures and fit in toxic blade windows
efficiently atleast
wild gyro
Priority is keeping Rupture up on all targets
3+ should give you plenty of energy to do what you need to do
untold cargo
toxic blade/envenom windows > ensuring garrote is up then
proper dagger
Do you, for example on Zul, dot up all Crags (or whatever the small ones are called)
untold cargo
for priority
prime stirrup
for heroic?
proper dagger
Yea heroic
prime stirrup
are you just trying to parse for it?
if youre just going for the parse I would run SS traits and garrote hexer/crusher/zul then rupture zul and FoK into CT. use vanish when you have adds and can do 3 empowered garrotes
doing that strat netted me a 99 heroic parse for zul
supple hearth
@proper dagger yes
proper dagger
π
prime stirrup
If this is your progression raid or something like that I would highly suggest doing as much ST dmg as you can
but if its a farm kill/parse kill you will probably get more out of the strat i suggested.
proper dagger
Alright. I've got some good info, thanks. Ooh what is SS?
That's the only one I cannot figure out lol
wide bolt
Shrouded Suffocation
prime stirrup
Shrouded Suffocation
wide bolt
Jinx
prime stirrup
the dmg portion does yes. for the fight you will be best off with 2xSS 1xArchive
proper dagger
OK. Do you lot keep different sets for different bosses?
prime stirrup
I have sin m+ set/raid set and sub mythic zul set
proper dagger
hmm yea, I don't have that much time to gather so much gear
But thanks again all, got good info and will see what I can improve on!
frank shard
any advice on how I can read my logs to know how to improve my future performance?
I pulled 19.6k dps on Mother on the 30th with a 370 ilvl, and this week I got a wep/gear upgrade which pushed me to 376 and i somehow pulled 19k with the same strat, just wondering what could have caused that
fallow cypress
RNG
frank shard
sorry i edited the post after you replied
fallow cypress
less uptime on boss, less crits, overlapping pandemic, not getting enough envenoms in TB windows
frank shard
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Rh8PWDT2MdgK6B1G#fight=5&type=damage-done&source=35 this is the first kill
fallow cypress
Just because you get a gear upgrade, doesn't mean you're going to see a dps increase in your overall play. Perfect play will benefit you more than gear will every time. Gear just helps you along
frank shard
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/TaKZXztMNVCBwGmW#fight=2&type=damage-done&source=6 and this is the most recent one, I'm Booty
just wondering how to compare the two
fallow cypress
Compare yourself to a top parser on any given fight, and what you're doing vs what they're doing! Assassination rotation is pretty straight-forward outside of cd windows, but there are ways to min/max dmg output...and if you're going for a relevent parse you gotta make sure you're doing everything you can.
gentle belfry
@wide bolt your Zul parse
wide bolt
@gentle belfry ?
lone junco
@untold cargo was your cleave question for m+ or raid?
normal spear
@frank shard you can compare two log by url
untold cargo
@lone junco well right now its for 3 training dummies
im simming 20k but getting 17k
doing something wrong
lone junco
And don't bother comparing to a top parse. Use the compare tool and check your fight length and raid comp.
normal spear
there are small differences: 98% garrote uptime vs 91%
untold cargo
finding it really hard to keep garrote up on 3 targets
WHILE maximizing toxic blade window
lone junco
@untold cargo m+ cleave uses SS and exang. And Ct. tb is not a cleave tool.
untold cargo
ok so ditch toxic blade for 3 + target
lone junco
If you are using tb. You will not be able to rupture 3 and garrote 3 and tb and get a good env window. You are crossing streams.
normal spear
also your envenom crit rate was 35% vs 22%
most likely pure luck, as people mentioned
lone junco
M+ uses SS for cleave due to reastelath. There just isn't a 3t patchwerk raid boss.
frank shard
unfortunate
untold cargo
env window?
lone junco
Since botanist.
untold cargo
oh you mean ven
so you basically use exsang on a vendetta target
and you can focus more on keeping bleeds up without managing tb
frank shard
Guess I'll just keep checking out my logs, and seeing what I can improve vs whats just out of my hands
untold cargo
i dont know what env is
lone junco
E n v e n o m
untold cargo
ohhh
subtle root
lol..
lone junco
Anyway. Tb is hard to use in cleave and maintain ruptures. You are just trying to use a st tool and maintain cleaves.
You boost?
untold cargo
play sub
strictly till now
so yea exsanguinate is better bc you dont have to take time with it
lone junco
Ah. Once you get the 3ss. πΈ
lone junco
Exsang also doubles the energy tick return from main target. Feeds some juice.
So your 3 garrotes Ct. FOK FOK rupture exang. Gets your deeps rolling.
My 3-6 t cleaves are in the 25-35k range.
For 30-40sec.
Well that's a little optimistic.
But it's happened
untold cargo
FOK seems so wack, shuriken gives you combo pts each target hit
lone junco
It's pretty limp now.
civic palm
Happened.
lone junco
If we could have respecced relics I would have been 7pk 7dp for m+
civic palm
ye
untold cargo
the the only purpose of FOK is to apply poisons in multi
lone junco
If I could pick. 35c/5h/40m
Haste in cleave comes from GCB and also it is dead stat to FOK. And less valuable for bleeds than mastery.
So your cleave weights are crit/'mastery.
untold cargo
yea makes sense
lone junco
But we do fight bosses so some haste value is good.
lone junco
Gale caller. Trinket
civic palm
yesPls
lone junco
Have you seen any good numbers from ptr?
civic palm
I have not been testing, but things are simple enough that so long things work then we're fine.
lone junco
Honestly ok with getting to like 12% haste and swapping mp.
If ep stays, gonna need 23-25 haste without archive.
civic palm
Are people getting to ~20% now? Should be easy enough with the item level increase.
lone junco
I'm 18 jumps to 30% in raid.
civic palm
Yeah.
lone junco
So yeah.
civic palm
I am @ 16% with a bad ring and meh off-pieces.
Going MP does make CT options in raids pretty dog-shit though.
lone junco
I look forward to 40% crit again.
I never bothered with Ct in raid.
We have 2 warriors and 2 dh. Trash is all but gone.
civic palm
Yeah there is some leeway there for people that don't wanna switch, but that's entirely gone with MP being much higher than EP.
lone junco
That's about all they are good for.
civic palm
Probably just PBOMB and pray anyway if adds die fast enough > _>
lone junco
I love the idea of poison wire. Makes you dance around the garrote
civic palm
Yeah it's how I would redesign the class.
spec*
also...
Shadowmeld not being in the APL for SS is a joke
_>"
lone junco
Pw should apply to blindside as well.
untold cargo
so you always want to exsang a target that you put fresh bleeds on right
lone junco
Yeah. Mid block stuff. Not vanish. Just exang after refresh.
Let them fall off completely.
Then refresh right after.
lost horizon
@civic palm is meld still not in? Wtf
untold cargo
whew
lone junco
I never ever made a night elf.
lost horizon
Meld is nasty for exsang
lone junco
Maybe once back in 2005?
lost horizon
I mean okay not nasty, but really cool that it still gets value
You're missing out @lone junco
Meld on trash in M+ w/mantle in legion, 2 vanishes e z
lone junco
/dance
civic palm
I am both attractive, and have "stealth".
lone junco
Meld triggered another 6sec shoulder?
civic palm
on trash you could restealth.
lone junco
Neat.
lost horizon
On bosses you can't get stealth properly
But can SS or garrote from meld
Still get stealthbar abilities
civic palm
on trash
lone junco
Just no subterfuge from meld.
lost horizon
9 garrotes
civic palm
Pretty sure you do not get stealth stance on bosses, otherwise you would get SUB as well.
lost horizon
You don't get subterfuge, but you do get shadow strike as sub
crisp steppe
yeah. the shadow strike also doesn't teleport you because you are not stealthed
lost horizon
Meld is weird
LOL
Well true stealth would be pretty OP
Like imagine meld stealth w/shoulders in legion
civic palm
Yeah well it needs to be one way and not both ways at not the same time but at the same time.
lone junco
Ok. I would like meld when tank chain pulls. To meld stealth. Ggg Ct.
So I dont have to burn vanish.
civic palm
Yeah as a backup.
On bosses it's trash due to not getting SUB but you still get a 50% empowered EX on bosses.
lone junco
As undead I broke a Zul fear last night.
Then got feared again 3sec later for 10s.
So good ability.
civic palm
hahahaaaaaa
coarse carbon
I didn't realize how much damage I was losing by not going AotT x2. I was foolishly running SS, DD, AotT. Just hit +5 RA this week and the difference is incredible.
civic palm
Yeah DD is not good when you do not Mutilate.
normal spear
what should i choose: impassive visage or resounding protection? just curious
defensive traits that is
coarse carbon
When you don't mutilate? You mutilate 70+ times a fight on average.
civic palm
The barrier probably.
sturdy python
Resounding
civic palm
1 longstrider 1 footpad 1 w/e for raids π
lost horizon
Meld is clutch when tank chain pulls @lone junco
strange python
@coarse carbon Going 2x AotT doesn't grant u double array stacks
Second one just gives u agility
coarse carbon
I understand, but the added agility is a nice DPS increase over a single DD
strange python
Did u sim it
coarse carbon
Yes, comes out ~400 ahead on hecticcleave sims
strange python
?????
coarse carbon
TouchΓ©.
sturdy python
That's what Mizerok was saying earlier. Dd is worthless in those situations
civic palm
If the HecticCleave SIM is using MUT then there's value to be had.
and in M+ you do MUT if there are only 3 targets.
coarse carbon
@strange python Iβm going to assume you think I simmed wrong by your ????, and I very well could have. I havenβt played since after wotlk. How would you recommend the sims be done for best results?
civic palm
Just have to remember the conditions.
strange python
Patchwerk 5 minutes if u want single target results
Patchwerk with x targets for aoe
coarse carbon
Ah, there is part of my problem by switching to the cleave versus just increasing the bosses on Patchwerk
Iβll have to redo them here tonight
lost horizon
If there's only 3 targets though SS is way higher value in M+
normal spear
should i play around EP or try to maximize envenom uptime?
lone junco
And please don't do 5min cleave sims.
@normal spear Clipping ep is fine. If you have a choice
Imagine SS on botanist. Great 3G vanish.
lone junco
Spec pb. And you can hammer them with env.
honest needle
but people are telling me im wrong
i kno we can do it, but arent rogues 1 of the worse classes for it
lone junco
I do really well tbh. It hurts your cleave a bit but you can hammer them quickly.
tough lantern
mut should be able to do it
prime stirrup
it sucks dumping CP into explosives as sin, its even worse as sub
honest needle
ya but im saying rogues aare considered 1 of the worst classes at it right
tough lantern
running SS/sub you should be able to have dots on everything and spend extra energy to mut a few down no prob
lone junco
Mut doesn't actually do much damage.
honest needle
mut doesnt do it
tough lantern
ye but you can kill it and build cp
lone junco
FOK FOK env.
honest needle
i feel its not good to waste combo points to do envenom on explosives especially on fortified week
lone junco
W/e. I can only say "use env on the explosives". So many times.
Then blow up to the explosives.
honest needle
i honestly thought rogues n warlocks were 1 of the worst at it
prime stirrup
I meant using finishers on explosives. Muting one is fine, but over capping cp to keep muting is a huge turn off, and dumping 4+ envenoms into just hurts your energy/flow
lone junco
Don't rupture the orbs.
tough lantern
yeh dont dot orbs
dark crag
Play outlaw
lone junco
Once you have 3G and 4 ruptures out you can FOK env and orb easily.
tough lantern
@lone junco fok fok env but that's 3 gcd two mult is 2 gcd and gets job done for me while saving that cp for more ruptures
lone junco
I Just pool the extra cps and env asap.
young socket
What's this talk about rogue being bad at orbs?
lone junco
Once you have out ruptures and garrotes. It is either CT or env. Orb is not a waste.
Hard to Ct and do orbs for sure.
young socket
Tbh if I'm pugging I'm running PB so I can envenom orbs
Sin is just fine at it and better safe than sorry
lone junco
Dps suffers but killing them in 1 2-3cp env is just fine.
young socket
^ and if you get flamed for dps link damage done to explosives
lone junco
ESP with teeming fort.
We got 6-8 orbs at once a few pulls.
The yellow slimes made me lol.
In shrine
dark crag
Pop cloak watch the others get rekt
lone junco
I did that as well.
light kestrel
When 7 spawned in shrine I said in discord "well yall are fucked" and cloaked
lone junco
I actually cloaked the shrine knockup mob. Cause while people are in the air 3 orbs spawned.
Anyway. That was a horrible run. I should have done keys last week.
Take this week off.
light kestrel
I did my 12 FH and will not be doing another this entire week
Hard pass on that mess
dark crag
Explo weeks are 1 key and be done weeks
light kestrel
Explosive in and of itself isn't bad, but with teeming and fortified it's just... ugh WHY
dark crag
M+ is not worth the hassle
tough lantern
idk M+ is fun
dark crag
Not with explo
tough lantern
i still find it fun
gleaming gust
I'm not having fun this week, always one step behind on bigger pulls, dealing with explos, ghuuns, interrupts. Barely any time to do dps
round harbor
Yeah that's why u play outlaw this week
4head
Blade flurry and YEEEET
Now ur an orb killing tab targeting monster
fringe ginkgo
Last week was an extremely easy combination + good key luck
fringe ginkgo
That's 10min
slim olive
Oh shit I'm dumb mis read it lol
fringe ginkgo
Though it wouldn't surprise me to see 10 hours over with this affix garbage lol
slim olive
True haha
tough lantern
i don't understand the beef with this weeks affix
cunning needle
i swear last expansion you could macro target the orbs
civic palm
For a time you could.
There were changes to totem targeting for PVP and that carried over to OrbZ.
hot snow
I plan on bringing a dh
cunning needle
ahhh
damn
fucking explosives
and topping explosive damage as an ass ass rogue with a warrior, bm hunter and monk tank
i feel theres something wrong with that
hot snow
My g monk dps claims he's not doing explosives in any of his runs so any one else running with him have to do it π
Nothing. he's just being a dick about it
cunning needle
yeah but it feels so awkward and shit when you have to pick between evenoming and overkilling the explosive or letting it go off
or having no energy to cast anything
lone junco
i didnt mind it. just went pb, and did 2-3cp env on the orbs.
dps was lower than usual, but I dont think I could maintain ct and work orbs at all.
fringe ginkgo
thinking about trying outlul since it can cleave off orbs
In the first one I did yesterday it just felt like I never had a GCD free for actual add dps.
civic palm
You don't overkill the Explosives as much as others would > _> me thinks.
strange python
Mizerok I've a challenge for you, 24h without "> _>"
civic palm
_> ok
simple flax
my last one was 355
strange python
probably will sim better
simple flax
haven't gotten shit
strange python
than any of the current peices
with 10 stacks, a 340 crushes any trait even at highest ilvl https://gyazo.com/49fbc6b61954456bafb4af0abd39b5ec
cunning needle
i never understand how rezans fury is so high up there, on multiple specs/classes
the proc effect and damaage seems so meh
echo cargo
^
primal gazelle
no point of pushing this week
just afk until easier weeks
why kill yourself lol
take a break
tired thistle
has anyone Noticed not getting the 3CPs from Shrouded Suffocation on your opener i started noticing it a few days ago and now from Raid last night its happening quite a bit
primal gazelle
is there a catch up mechanic on array for alts?
spice surge
Did you forget to stealth and/or macroed or used a trinket while in stealth?
primal gazelle
or do i only gain 1 stack per week
primal gazelle
aw man
spice surge
W/e i'll tag him anyway