we're all 120?
#assassination
marsh bloom
left depot
How is outlaw for pvp?
wheat zealot
Hes only level 20
spice surge
Good
marsh bloom
oh lol
left depot
Yeah I havent played a rogue in a long time, and was just trying to get some info lol.
wheat zealot
Yeah at level 20 youll be best off with sub w/ weaponmaster talent or outlaw w/ quickdraw
Sub at low levels feels so shit tho lol
glacial steppe
can i somehow unbind targeting with rightclick?
everytime i turn my camera in raid
i target someone from my raid and lose the boss as my target
exotic ledge
Hey, someone got a Weakaura similar to this one https://wago.io/r1kOJrVt7 just for Garrotes?
exotic ledge
Looks fine tho, will try, thank you very much!
hot flume
You're welcome
proper wing
Should I line up my exsang with Galecaller's? Or just pop it on cd?
opaque pagoda
do u always pool energy as soon as the bleeds dont fall off to have maximum uptime with elaborate planning, or it isnt worth it?
cause im doing smthing wrong regarding my ST dmg in raids and i cant figure out what i m doing wrong, i go by the book with most of the guides out there
comparing my logs with other rogues in my ilvl, the biggest difference is they almost all have more dmg in ruptures and poison hits than me with the same or less casts
sorry for the length ;p
delicate crater
I don't understand why it wants me to play Subterfuge with no SS traits
On the test dummy I get much better results from MA with this build
I must be doing something wrong
main blaze
Not sure exactly but you have 2x poisoned wire
strange python
Yes you are
delicate crater
I have a 370 SS chest but the 2x Poisoned Wire's sim higher
this is my highest sim set
jaunty ginkgo
@opaque pagoda are you using tb?
main blaze
Subterfuge benefit is from Garrote and you have garrote traits, MA doesnt benefit garrote that much
strange python
MA doesnt benefit garrote at all
main blaze
Well it benefits it 1 or 2 ticks depending on when you vanish
main blaze
k so what I said still stands "MA doesnt benefite garrote that much"
strange python
Eh getting 2 crits on a unbuffed garrote is shit anyways
main blaze
k
delicate crater
Overwhelming Power must be pushing the poisoned wire piece up ahead of the SS piece
opaque pagoda
@jaunty ginkgo most of the times yes
delicate crater
that too
so what should the opener look like with Poisoned Wire? standard non-SS opener?
opaque grotto
Finally killed fetid last night
I was PUMPING, then shockwave went off, tank was positioned badly
oblique fox
Had 7 melee on fetid last night because people were away, brutal lol
oblique fox
Got that kill doe
oblique fox
rip dude
opaque grotto
We finally got the fight down, should be easy reclears from now on
oblique fox
Yeah that fight is all about consistency
opaque grotto
We also did it with 3 melee so that helped a ton
oblique fox
Yeah way easier with less melee haha it's rough when you have over 5
opaque grotto
I think total it only took us like 30 pulls to kill him, so I don’t think we did too bad
vocal harbor
@marble hemlock you really never want to TB vectis? always use on add?
orchid berry
Hey guys, I have two questions about m+ specific simming. Raidbots keeps putting my 370 AotT helm over my 345 SS helm by quite a margin, however target dummy testing shows that SS does quite a bit more dmg, does raidbots not properly calculate SS damage or something? Also, I am going for a crit/mastery build (since that are the best stats by quite a margin for me), however should I go for a minimum amount of haste?
marble hemlock
i TB vectis on pull and after intermission during vendetta
other than that i focus on add
boss dies anyway
tropic rover
!m+
prisma monolithBOT
Dungeon Fight script: https://pastebin.com/sggpE4Km
If you want to get stat weights add this additional ```calculate_scale_factors="1"
scale_only="strength,intellect,agility,crit,mastery,vers,haste,weapon_dps,weapon_offhand_dps"```
How to use it(video):https://streamable.com/929ww.
static sky
@orchid berry you need at least one SS for m+
desert pelican
@opaque grotto 99 parse on fetid? U guild didnt force u to sub and sit on little bubbles?
opaque grotto
Nah I play sin and sit on the big add
vapid fiber
hello, can some one pls explain me what evasion actually stops?
vapid fiber
this may come out as a rant, but I really don't understand why if I do evasion, other rogues can still hit and stun me and warrior can do whatever they want, while if an enemy rogue plays evasion he's like immortal for 10 sec
hollow junco
because they get behind you
vapid fiber
no in front, otherwise I would not be asking
hollow junco
sometimes it's not obvious that they do because even at low latency, player movement isn't represented 100% accurately
vapid fiber
I played evasion and a fury broguht me from 50% to 0% standing in front of me
hollow junco
then there was a lot of latency involved
vapid fiber
and I was not stunned in any way
leaden thorn
Must of been behind you
vapid fiber
other question (because I'm bad as hell and need to learn), how do I play vs a paladin in arena? I mean no matter how many times he is cced, he still frees bubbles and kills everything, I really have no clue what the hell to do vs a pala
spice surge
You can shadowstep kidney other rogues
wooden island
So sharpen blades r now officaly bk for ez breezy rating?
dusty jasper
Coming from only ever playing WW monk - watching videos on this class is feeling over whelming (DoTs in general) Is there a certain mindset I should be having when attempting to learn this spec for a potential alt?
wooden island
Anyone tested sharpen in arena atm? Thats not ptr
dusty jasper
Do WA’s inform you over pandemic windows for specific abilities?
wooden island
U can make weak auras for it yes but why?
Its pve and assa is also very simple
Borderline brainded
dusty jasper
Perhaps it will make more sense when I actually make a rogue and spec it. Just do preemptive research atm and at first glance it seems harder than WW - which is what I currently and have only played.
Thanks for the help
wooden island
Loooool maybe try the class and learn insted of only following what othersay?
wheat zealot
Its def not any harder than ww lol
wooden island
And it might get easier to pick up other classes in the future
wheat zealot
Assass = 
dusty jasper
Can you get a good grip of a class by using the trial new char option ?
dusty jasper
Ty all. I look forward to joining the rogue community come 8.1 😃
strange python
quiet crescent
Somethings wrong with this game when a rank 40 is not a 99 parse.
strange python
Currently level 60 playing sin, what should my Single Target rotation be, I've been doing garrote and rupture uptimes into straight mutilate and envenoms all fight (with vendetta too), am I doing it right or
Also feel pretty useless on AoE outside of my subterfuge garrote spam, hoping Fan of Knives helps out with that
strange python
Like trash clearing sucks hard for sin?
dense quest
dont even worry about it till you hit 120
quiet crescent
Sins strong for m+ but quick trash packs on lower keys your dors wont have time to tick
Dots"
sturdy python
Why would the game be a problem with the parsing system?
Probably less than 4k parses on that fight is all
strange python
@strange python Level as sub or outlaw
Sin is trash for levelling
I heard sub is a bit too complicated to bother with for levelling, and I'm too broke to get outlaw heirlooms 😛
my outlaw heirlooms got outgeared by now
I'm fine with sin though
outlaw heirlooms?
You mean swords?
yeah
Sub is way better for levelling too
I have the gear
You kill mobs way quicker
just weps for outlaw are dry
haven't tried sub at all yet
quiet crescent
Tawney the problem is its fetid and it's so melee unfriendly that rank 40 is a 98.
vast patio
quiet crescent
Yeah I've heard. We killed zul last night. So that nightmare begins Tuesday
Zul was fun even though I've never really played sub since cata. Spamming 150k eviscerates was cool.
iron portal
Mythrax ez
wild ledge
@vast patio depends on the dungeon and the level of key. If you’re pulling big and things aren’t dying super quick then CT is good. PB always a safe (if unreliable) bet as it’s good ok both ST and AoE if it procs. I’m usually running exsang and PB
It’s not so simple as play X talents. If you’re pulling 2 mobs at a time then different talents will be better than if you’re pulling 8 things each pull
wild ledge
I’d go archive but sim / look at herodamage etc
dusty wigeon
For general rotation if my dots are say 18sec left on rupture and something mid range on garrote but exang comes off cd , should i use it or re apply dots?
spice surge
Re-apply rupture if it's under 22 and garrote only if it's in pandemic range
static sky
When I'm simming on Raidbots and looking at the raid buffs, there is a tick box for "Bleeding". What is that and who has it?
dusty wigeon
@spice surge so even if its like 10 seconds long use exang?
wild ledge
I think you wanna reapply dots for exsang right? I’m sure one of the guides will clear it up
spice surge
No you dont, you do as i wrote earlier. Thats what simc does and i've tried playing with it but its always a loss
If you refresh rupture at like 24 you get like 8 more seconds that gets exsanged, but you waste essentially 5 cp by overwriting it
and most of exsang damage is rupture (outside of SS) and not garrote
wild ledge
Outside of SS? What’s that? 😆
strange python
shrouded suffocation
dusty wigeon
Shrodued Suffocation trait for inc garrote dmg
wild ledge
Yeah I know, point is, imagine playing without 😉
spice surge
Well yeah, but i said dont refresh it unless it has under 22 seconds
dusty wigeon
alright - thanks man
strange python
There are loads of people who play without SS in raids
strange python
Because there are better traits
dusty wigeon
Double dose - blightbourne and Archive 😄
wild ledge
Depends what you’re doing right, but yeah
winter gale
Is pawn part of history?
Its messing my brain so badly last few days. Going back and forth with same f** ring
I simmed yesterday and put string into pawn and it showed my 370 ring 4% than my 385
spice surge
Small % increases are typically best just to sim, especially when its rings
wild ledge
If your gear changes slightly then your stat weights will also change slightly. It’s common to resim different combinations and see stuff in your bag being 1-2% upgrades. When it’s that low pawn isn’t reliable. In reality they’re so close it doesn’t matter, but just sim the combinations
winter gale
Today I changed only azerite piece and after sim it says my previous ring is now better again for 8%
wild ledge
Sim>>>pawn. Pawn is just a guide
wild ledge
Just don’t take it’s % too literally. It’s just for a guide 😃
dusky rose
Do u delay exting for gcb?
dusky tinsel
you drop haste trinkets such as galecallers prior to using exang
to snapshot the haste buff on the bleeds
dusky rose
No i meant like second and third use of exang in fight dont line up
dusky tinsel
you wont line the 2nd one up, but the 3rd should be up for vendetta + trinkets
pearl meteor
4th
You hold van/ven for exsang not other way around (assuming u wont lose casts)
Also @dusky rose no dont delat exsang for gcb
Delay*
sharp mesa
why?
spice surge
He probably didnt count the first exsang
Some people dont do that, because "its in the opener"
pearl meteor
Fair enough
sharp mesa
do you try to pandemic rupture if you've just applied it, before exsang?
spice surge
Dont refresh rupture unless its under 22 seconds left for exsang
wild ledge
Pin explaining that when 😉
spice surge
Speaking of pins @safe matrix
You didnt update it 😦
spice surge
No worries, i didnt realize it until now anyway
velvet kernel
Wait
So
You do first expand
Exsang
In opener
Then second with nothing
Then you do the third
Well you hold the third for vendetta
nvm the way that guy wrote that shit confused the fuck out of me
strange python
Yes
strange python
no
spice surge
- 5s
- 50s
- 95s
- 140s
velvet kernel
dude they are 45 sec cd
spice surge
While you use gcb at 5, 65 and 140
strange python
^
pearl meteor
👏
pearl meteor
Sorry lol
velvet kernel
Anyone mind looking at my logs and telling me stuff I can improve on https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/8ZNn7BtVwTcCFbx1/
I’m nyuro
fierce heath
I would love some feedback on logs too, if anyone has time. (Name and server are the same as my discord name and server)
prime stirrup
I dont understand the argument of using exsang on cd when you have a GCB
honestly, you save 2nd exsang to line up with 2nd GCB and you hold third exsang for vendetta/vanish/gcb combo
you lose absolutely nothing
spice surge
Because increasing the effectiveness of a cd by 15% isnt worth increasing the cd by 33%
You lose a cast
prime stirrup
in 5+min fights
spice surge
So what you're saying is to hold exsang for 40 seconds? 🤔
prime stirrup
where did i say that?
prime stirrup
youre already waiting for 23 seconds on vendetta to line up with vanish
so what the fuck is the difference
pseudo finch
Some of us sad fucks never even seen a GCB :<
sand notch
So... I'm simming construct higher than other trinkets, but when I go to dummy the stacks fall off constantly. I don't know if I trust it... thoughts?
sand notch
The haste was buffed? Is it reflected in the trinket, because I could swear the numbers didn't change
sand notch
Huh, okay then. Still wish they'd increase the proc chance, but I guess it's construct for me
prime stirrup
so you would rather delay 2nd vendetta/vanish/gcb for 10 seconds just to get an extra cast out of exsang? Im not sure thats worth it. id have to check sims
spice surge
You only delay gbc and vendetta, vanish is ready by the time exsang is ready
sturdy python
It's pretty simple, holding three exsangs for GCB results in a lost cast. And that's in a 3 min fight basically
spice surge
Its around a 1.5% loss to hold exsang for gcb
Feel free to edit the apl and post any other results if you find it
sturdy python
You aren't going to lose a cast of vendetta or vanish by holding them in most situations. And it has been simmed alrrady
prime stirrup
youre using exsang as your 6th gcd, so no matter what you are delaying vendetta by 30 seconds and vanish by 6 if you want them to line up again for vendetta/vanish
sturdy python
You're holding vendetta for closer to 20 for exsang. It would take well over a 6 min fight to lose one cast
spice surge
Yes, and delaying vendetta (a 2m cd) for 30 seconds is better than delaying exsang (a 45s cd) by 40s
prime stirrup
vendetta is held for 23 seconds for vanish to come back up
prime stirrup
so what youre saying is to use exsang on cd after you vendetta/vanish
spice surge
You use exsang on cd yes, but you line up vendetta and vanish with it
prime stirrup
ya
sturdy python
What I'm saying is to use exsanf on CD unless you can hold it and won't lose a cast or a priority phase is coming
prime stirrup
i dont know about that
sturdy python
Then go change the apl and see
spice surge
You can go into #tc-research and search for galecaller to see the discussion there
But as i said, its a loss to hold exsang
sturdy python
It's so simple to see though. Holding vendetta for 30 secs means you have to do that 4 times for there to be a lost cast of it
Holding exsang for 40 means you lose a cast everytime you do it
sturdy python
Holding it for 20 is the same point
prime stirrup
you hold it for 30 seconds. you dont lose a cast of it until a 4 min fight
spice surge
Thats what you're saying dude, you're proposing using exsang like this
- 5s (with vend+vanish+gbc)
- 60s (gbc)
- 125s (vend+vanish+gbc)
The proper way is:
- 5s (vend+vanish+gbc)
- 50s
- 95s
- 125s
sturdy python
If you hold it for 30 seconds then that means you've wasted 30 secs of CD on a 45s CD ability
prime stirrup
youre holding it 15 seconds each cast
i dont know how the fuck youre interpreting that to holding it 30 seconds each cast
sturdy python
You just said 30
spice surge
Which means you lose a cast every 2½ mins
sturdy python
You're saying hold exsanf for gcb each time?
spice surge
Which is bad
sturdy python
What Eleem said is correct
prime stirrup
The first two absolutely
sturdy python
Holding 15s means every 3rd cast you've lost a cast of exsang.
prime stirrup
but when exsang/gcb/vendetta/vanish no longer line up thats where i can see it losing dmg
so what im proposing is delay first two cast
spice surge
Gcb always lines up with vendetta and vanish
sturdy python
They do lineup though
prime stirrup
that way you dont have to delay your vendetta/vanish combo
sturdy python
You aren't losing anything be delaying vendetta vanish
prime stirrup
Vendetta/vanish dont even line up until 4:20
spice surge
For you to lose anything from delaying vendetta the fight have to be 10 mins long.
sturdy python
Absolutely nothing outside of certain phases and weird boss timings
spice surge
For you to lose anything from delaying exsang the fight have to be 2½ mins long
prime stirrup
youre holding vendetta for 23 seconds
sturdy python
If you are letting them, which yo should
spice surge
Yes, holding vendetta for 23 seconds
sturdy python
Which causes you to lose nothing
prime stirrup
In an infitinite boss length fight sure, using everything on cd is the smart choice
spice surge
?
sturdy python
Unless the boss dies right when vendetta comes off CD in the future, but there's no way to predict that
I just don't think you're wanting to see how this math works
We know ballpark fight lengths
There's no boss that lasts so long that you are going to lose anything from holding vendetta one time for 23 secs
prime stirrup
but you arent just holding it for 23 seconds, youre holding it for 23 seconds if you want it to line up with vanish. If you want vendetta/vanish to line up with 3rd exsang youre holding it for 30 seconds
spice surge
25, but yes
Idk how to convince you holding a 2 min cd for 25 seconds (so around 1/5 of its cd) is better than holding exsang, a 45s cd for 15 sec (so around 1/3 of its cd)
sturdy python
Even if it was 30 seconds it has to be an 8 min fight to lose a cast
spice surge
But it is, feel free to edit the apl and prove us wrong, but most of us have tried and it was a loss
Peace
queen tiger
Guys, do you wait for Gallecaller's Boon to come off cd for using it with exsanguinate?
or you use exsanguinate as soon as it is off the cd?
prime stirrup
@spice surge Id love to write a custom apl for this, but I have never done one. I was assuming the person talking in definites would be able to link a sim to it. But you arent just holding one 2 min cd, youre holding vanish for 8~ youre delaying gcb and vendetta by 30. So please if you have a sim showing that delaying 3 cds for 1 exsang is worth id just like to take a look at it
queen tiger
thanks for pointing me the answer im looking for is in the pins!
spice surge
Well yes i guess i could go and make the custom apl again, but in all fairness, you're the one trying to prove the guide is wrong so you should be the one bringing proof
prime stirrup
Cause thats what i said
spice surge
You're saying holding exsang for galecallers is a dps gain, the guide (or well, pins in this case) says that it isnt
But w/e
prime stirrup
Id assume if im writing a custom apl and i want exsang to be held i would edit it in cooldowns correct? Now is there a way that i can write it so gcb/vanish/vendetta/exsang line up for 2:23 and then have them used on cd after?
steep obsidian
i don't think it will be 2:23 with xsang will it?
prime stirrup
current nightly build says 2:25.382 for me
dusty jasper
Reading this conversation not knowing a thing about rogues (thinking about making my alt a Sin rogue) is crazy intimidating lol
proper dagger
Is there any good balance? I use pawn, but it keeps removing haste while I'm always low on energy already
prime stirrup
is that a dungeon build?
prime stirrup
your stats are fine for m+ but terrible for raid
strange python
haste
prime stirrup
haste haste and more haste
proper dagger
I figured, I can only pull 10k dps in raids, especially on moving fights
prime stirrup
for ST sin in raid you really want your RA buff to be haste
prime stirrup
zul is no movement
proper dagger
I can;'t figure it out, just such low dps there
waxen field
i got no movements
prime stirrup
until p2
waxen field
on zul
proper dagger
well then we've been doing it wrong haha
waxen field
and even in p2 we don't need to move much
prime stirrup
and then its very little movement
proper dagger
Rogues are just on the umm hexxers ?
proper dagger
That's what they keep putting me on
waxen field
I mindblock on zul
prime stirrup
in all zul fights its imperative that you ST zul as hard as absolutely possible
waxen field
^
proper dagger
ST = Single Target
prime stirrup
hexxers will be sheepd/ccd and crusher/crawgs will die to cleave
your goal is to phase him as quickly as possible
proper dagger
I've been away from teh game for a while
olive shore
can someone tell me why my AOE dmg is trash? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rWVeHiNwh4nDHH5JEaHPVy
proper dagger
Do we gain energy from our dots?
olive shore
i am playing it not perfectly but even in big pulls i rarely get above 30k dps in m+
olive shore
i think i got not enough crit AT ALL
waxen field
bcz i don't know, but i think u got the wrong stats
prime stirrup
whats your stat %'s?
olive shore
way too much haste. any idea what a good setting would be for m+ big pulls?
for simming
prime stirrup
22/15/30 is fine for dungeon
waxen field
Well at least put more than 1 target LUL
strange python
why my aoe dmg is trash
olive shore
yeah but is there a preset besides that?
strange python
sims 1 target
proper dagger
What should I aim for haste wise for Uldir?
olive shore
i am just looking for the right settings to sim my items properly
olive shore
just use patchwerk and increase targets?
prime stirrup
bcz if you want to sim for m+ pulls try something like 6 bosses 40 second fight
waxen field
usually for m+ u go for like 5-6 target and 40s - 1min
prime stirrup
adn turn off raid buffs/hero
olive shore
kk thanks. lets see what happens if i pump crit up
strange python
turn off reo arrays
prime stirrup
@proper dagger I walk into uldir with 20% haste before the 10 stacks of buff are applied. If i go above 20% Haste starts losing value quickly
proper dagger
That's 8% i need to get
prime stirrup
rings are the best bet for stats
proper dagger
what's best to sacrifice, crit or mast?
prime stirrup
mast
olive shore
mastery
prime stirrup
mastery is very sub par on ST fights
prime stirrup
^
proper dagger
I did stat weights, but it keeps removing haste then for some reason
Let me do one right now
with no raid buffs
strange python
What do you want to know first of all?
Your ST damage in raid, ST damage in m+, AoE damage in m+ ?
prime stirrup
pretty sure hes asking ST raid. bcz was asking about aoe m+
proper dagger
I posted an image above, where we concluded that my current stats were fine for M+
Now I want to fix raid
because my output is way to low
strange python
Then stat weight for 1 target 5 minutes all buffs on
proper dagger
What should I put on movement?
strange python
just do patchwerk
proper dagger
Ok
prime stirrup
they are fine for m+, my m+ gear set is 24.5/17.3/29.5 crit haste mastery
proper dagger
Vers is worthless
strange python
Why
proper dagger
Noone ever mentions it
strange python
Because its very simple
prime stirrup
its not worthless at all, its just meh
strange python
It will be better in 8.1 when it will scale with some of the traits
prime stirrup
stat weight wise its very close to the rest. Heres my ST sim for example https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/m1qFUkswLpWoWJHfpUNdhK
proper dagger
But yea, here my stats are completely not right
So I need to work on my haste etc
opaque grotto
You just need ilvl tbh
strange python
Construct Overcharger is bad
spice surge
It got buffed this week, so its not that bad
strange python
Its still bad
proper dagger
at 8 x 53 it's 424 haste
spice surge
Its not up all the time
prime stirrup
you can see simmed uptime on it
spice surge
I mean, a 385 is roughly equal to a 370-375 dice and fathoms
spice surge
Debatable on the dice, but fathoms yeah
strange python
Debatable on dice, how?
You can run endless amount of m+
And 1 mythic taloc per week
spice surge
Well thats true, i was thinking more of how hard it actually is
I think a freehold +10 is harder than mythic taloc 😄
prime stirrup
im running a sim comparing 385 construct to 385 dice 375 gcb and 380 dead eye
strange python
Nah
proper dagger
I have a Thornwoven Band
prime stirrup
im pretty sure construct is strait trash, but we will see
proper dagger
at ivll 380
prime stirrup
i dont have lower versions of dice/gcb to test
proper dagger
but it has 272 vers on it
spice surge
You can just look at herodamage as well
prime stirrup
oh yeah, i forgot i could sim for gear i dont have
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/szGrNUfM2YgaPNduwv5BfH Looks like construct did get another buff
would still use dice/gcb if you have them in similar ilvl to your construct though
prime stirrup
trinkets
dice drops from Freehold and GCB drops from Shrine of the storm. if youre playing sin you should be farming those until you have a decent set
proper dagger
OK, will look for those
zinc zephyr
380 galecallers vs 390 golden plumage 🤔
prime stirrup
1300 haste vs what like 700 vers?
pearl meteor
zinc zephyr
900 but its not a question 😄
380 galecaller is stronger than just about anything este, according to herodamage
velvet kernel
Anyone mind looking at my logs and telling me stuff I can improve on or stuff I’m doing wrong https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/8ZNn7BtVwTcCFbx1/ https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/37byNRzYXWgFqJTB/ I’m Nyuro thanks
prime stirrup
you linked a mother log..
pearl meteor
uptime on zek/fetid
prime stirrup
if you arent fucking up rotation then dont worry about mother.
prime stirrup
Fetid is rng as hell
prime stirrup
its still rng
in that pull were you freely able to move between small add/mass? did you make sure you garroted/ruptured boss as you ran past to get more uptime? are you planning shockwave blasts? did you have miasma often enough that you had to back off from boss. Fetid is too rng based
velvet kernel
Yeah
zinc zephyr
dont know if i should wear my raid haste/crit set inside KR.
any1 with experience? 😄
versed mica
According to ravenholdt's site, when you have master assassin talented, your opener is as follows:
Master Assassin talented
Garrote
Mutilate
Rupture
Vendetta
Toxic Blade
Mutilate till 4+ combo points
Vanish
Envenom
Mutilate till 4+ combo points
Envenom
My question is, why isn't toxic blade used during the crit window? Isn't it's damage high enough to warrant it? Or is an envenom crit with TB buff better?
prime stirrup
@nyuro youre going to be kinda useless on small add, see if youre group will just switch you to mutated mass, sin rogue on small add takes too long to ramp up
velvet kernel
Well I would vendetta vanish rn venom
We have another sin rogue on big add
Is why
strange python
because envenom is bigger damage
velvet kernel
And he is used to that so no point switching
strange python
Than TB
velvet kernel
I don’t really mind just wanted to see if I was really fucking up
Or if it was just miasma rng
versed mica
Alright, thanks @strange python
prime stirrup
whats your taloc look like?
honestly thats the tank and spank ignore all mechs fight. should be pretty good
pearl meteor
his taloc was fine
prime stirrup
Then I would chalk a lot of it up to raid strat/comp
hollow ivy
should i wait with exsg to match this with galescaller?
strange python
Check pins
quaint wadi
Does Honor among thieves proc off my arena mates crit heals?
fresh ginkgo
do we have to farm new azerite gear when 5th ring is out?
or will they put it in the old gear?
civic palm
Old gear has old traits.
cosmic forge
Im right in thinking that within uldir its worth ensuring i have RA set as haste (aka swapping lower ilvl to push haste to top). Im in a situation where the high ilvl stuff causes me to get a crit buff.
strange python
Think so, yeah
craggy raptor
How come everyone runs TB over Exsanguinate on mythrax even if they have SS traits?
ma+TB
craggy raptor
I'm an idiot i meant to say subterfuge+ tb
Was getting distracted earlier lol
Is there a reason pretty much everyone runs TB?
strange python
Sims better
craggy raptor
Oh ok i thought with 2 SS exs sims better most of the time
So when i noticed all the x2 SS with TB i wondered if TB is just better for that fight
scenic nacelle
Double SS and exang sim better for me so it just depends. Also, play the talent you enjoy over sims
scenic nacelle
Because if you suck and keep messing up your Exsanguinates then you’re better off playing with TB 😃
hot flume
!wa
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Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
strange python
4 or 5
fiery mauve
i think ct suck this week though
imo
i think ct better on fort
then again you prob doing bigger pulls on tyrannical
teal locust
Hi, is shrouded suffication so good in m+ that i should get 2 traits of it for sure? I got shrouded suffication on my 370 chest and an my 370 helmet i got archieve. Would it be better now to take 370 shoulders with tidal surge or 345er shoulders with another trait of shrouded suffication?
eager linden
I would say keep the 370 Shoulders. There is a lot of high end Rogues playing with only one SS trait, and it's enough. Also 25 iLvl worth of Agility/Stam is huge so...
But as always i'd suggest siming as well as you can
distant mesa
is Fathoms good for rogue?
this is why i asked trying to get some gear 😃
gah i need more haste
marble hemlock
you need more.... everything :x
civic palm
lol
distant mesa
this toon dinged last night
desert vault
Go figure 3 runs of FH yesterday and today and each one gives daggers when I only want a stupid dice ...
distant mesa
good talent build for no haste?
odd compass
Called DH
cunning needle
about to do vectis for the first time. if you need to tunnel the big add at the 2min mark - it's worth saving exsang to line up with it
hazy forge
does iron wire work on uldir bosses
cunning needle
instead of the usual use exsang on cooldown and vendetta at 2:25
and dont think so @hazy forge
grim trellis
do we no longer FoK on 2+ targets? just checked Ravenholdt and I could've sworn I read it as 2+ FoK before. was the rotation changed after the recent nerf?
safe matrix
there was a change to the rotation after some theorycrafting/testing
its in #tc-updates
albeit, a bit back in the channel
grim trellis
thank you
tropic rover
So I know there's a dungeon fight sim we can use now (!m+) but is there a way to use that sim condition to look at our top gear?
trim narwhal
1 Double Dose / 1 Shrouded Suff or 2 SS?
vapid moth
vivid hill
when do you guys start using crimson tempest on tyranical weeks?
grave trail
strange python
probably not, sim it for m+ definitely not
harsh sphinx
with your guys help i finally parsed a 99, thx all
exotic glen
depends what content you are doing
velvet kernel
gz rav
crimson maple
should i bother with crimson tempest on tyrannical weeks?
young socket
Not really. Trash dies quick and PB has some boss damage value whereas CT doesnt
ruby idol
i use ct in everything but kr and temple
tyrannical means you pull bigger typically so ct still has hella value
young socket
Yeah if you can get 5+ mobs on every pull then CT is the play
drifting elbow
demolishes?
that place is mostly nightmare
cant enjoy it as rogue 
nor as any class
jovial fractal
Im actually pretty dissapointed that fathoms still sims higher than a 370 frenetic corp in 1 slot
grand trail
Lucky for me
I have dice 380 and 380 galacaller
So no more of this shit
But trinkets in bfa are very disappointing tbh
jovial fractal
I really really need to push for those
grand trail
Dice is easy farm
jovial fractal
im using 385 overcharger with fathoms
grand trail
Gala I got from weekly
jovial fractal
damn
grand trail
All this loot
Is so rng
I got from my very first mother 390 dagger from coin and 385 from boss
Never saw dagger ever since than.. not even from zul
jovial fractal
😦 370 and 355 here
grand trail
Never got ring from mother not even heroic .. 🙄😀
Wondering who did dps value of dagger in the back.. got like 50k damage on mother which was like 2%
vast forum
jovial fractal
eh should i be running exsanguinate most of the time in m+
steep obsidian
xsang is good coz its kind of a fire and forget thing when you swapping targets
spice surge
TB is fine in dungeons in theory, but since by far the best trait for m+ is shrouded and that trait synergizes with exsang, exsang ends up as the best
So if you're running dungeons without SS you could take tb and be fine, but you really shouldnt run dungeons without SS (even if they're like 30 ilvls lower, generally)
brisk raptor
sim it obviously, if you have a for example 30ilvl higher SoB than SS, I think thats the go-to
grand trail
I'm running double arhcives with scent of blood
Won't be reforging between raids and m+
With scent of blood I'm easily 15k ++ overall most of m+
SS is really nice but some tanks prefer chain pulling
olive shore
15k is not much though 🙄 and chain pulling doesn't make sense. You want to have the group out of combat for a second or two. Especially with a rogue. Most of the time you double or triple pull packs and need the CC for infested
Healers want to start drinking too while the tank pulls again
grand trail
Its more than on average pug people doing when you running 10-12 keys
Most I did was 16.5k on underot 12
@olive shore are we talking about pugs and not premade groups with friends?
olive shore
Yep. Pugs.
Not necessarily 10-12 keys though. For those 14k is more than fine.
The whole tank statement still applies though
I would rage really hard when I can't stealth. Basically iron wire is completely wasted then.
grand trail
I agree
It usually happen on things like boralus
If I had ss trait I would poke tank too, but won't swap ss for archives
olive shore
As said. Iron wire is a must too. And alone for that & subterfuge. You have to stealth
If the tank doesn't like that. Get a DH 😂
tawny sable
So, I'm using 2 ss traits. xsang is pretty far down when simming but still should use it in keys?
4 bosses 40 seconds
wild ledge
40second sim isn’t accurate cos you get one use and then it’s almost back off cd
And in reality you’d be able to use it immediately again after
Sims are extremely situational for m+, you need to understand what you’re simming
quick ice
Also it doesn't account for bosses, where it's more valuable.
wild ledge
Or burst in general, which is big value on certain mobs + affixes
(Infested)!!!
Just use exsang @tawny sable
tawny sable
Good stuff. Thanks guys
quick ice
Basically, as we're discussing in #subtlety right now, 40sec 4-6 target Sims aren't that great as far as representing m+ goes.
signal salmon
guys cant find APL for simin m+
quick ice
!m+
prisma monolithBOT
Dungeon Fight script: https://pastebin.com/sggpE4Km
If you want to get stat weights add this additional ```calculate_scale_factors="1"
scale_only="strength,intellect,agility,crit,mastery,vers,haste,weapon_dps,weapon_offhand_dps"```
How to use it(video):https://streamable.com/929ww.
crude bay
lunar jolt
can´t decide to switch to subtlety or stay with assassination for 10+ M+ keys
any inside?
do i need both ?
desert vault
how do you shroud to first boss on Underrot? You can't just shroud from very top and make full run can you?
short arch
We mostly kill the first two mobs on right side, then shroud to boss
Works even without sprint
desert vault
that is what I thought, how I'd done it as well. Just had a group murder me for going right from start and not making it ... told me I had to sap something, but not sure how that would have helped
short arch
you can make it from the start as well, with sprint
desert vault
I used sprint but something must not have worked, not sure what it was
short arch
I always distract the patrol on the wooden thing and sap the closest, then continue to the plattform and sap the left mob
tired garnet
Hey guys, sorry for the basic question I am new to rogue, I have a question about Toxic Blade usage.
If toxic blade comes off CD and my rupture has about 8 seconds left on it, do I want to wait and pool some energy to use toxic blade / multiate + envenom after I refresh my rupture so I can spam envenom while the buff is up or do I want to use it on CD and refresh rupture while the debuff from toxic blade is up.
tiny lagoon
!wa
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Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
radiant ivy
I don't understand why I'm always simming more crit if Reorigination Array is going to leave crit to 30% ish and cripple my haste, which is supposed to be our top stat
grand trail
Im simming crit mastery haste but when i push too much crit/mastery that my array change to non-haste, haste is best again 🙄😀
So I need just that much haste so it's top secondary for array and everything else to crit mastery .. I guess this is case for most of us
radiant ivy
That's what i plan on doing, to keep haste just above crit, but that means I'm not listening to raidbots' pawn string
rain pewter
you could just do a gear comparison instead considering stat weights are calculated using added stats in a vacuum, atleast last time i checked
radiant ivy
The fun thing is that i ran a top gear simulation and I got 1200 crit / 700 haste / 500 mast
I have gear enough to reach 1100 / 1200 / 600 or something like that
rain pewter
so? obviously the first set is better no?
radiant ivy
Should be, but then the uldir array comes in play and my crit goes high while haste is crying on the floor
rain pewter
so, is the uldir array not integrated into simcraft?
radiant ivy
I don't know, I see the report and it reads my 8 stacks correctly, but it seems the sim doesn't like me going hasty
rain pewter
then you shouldnt obviously?
i dont see the issues
issue*
unless there is a known issue with simc undervaluing haste or something
radiant ivy
My only issue is that I'm not sure on doing exactly what the sim says because if I do I lose my haste and every assa I asked told me to go around 20% crit 17% haste 34% mast
I don't think I'm smarter than the sim, that's why I don't want to just throw my sims to trash
rain pewter
aiming for specific stats is one of the dumbest things ive heard today
and i had a conversation with my brother for 3 hours
radiant ivy
so, I should just sim myself properly and go with what the sim says, ignoring the low 11% haste and 32% crit in uldir?
That would make my life easier, but still wouldn't understand why I don't want to look for haste
rain pewter
because there are likely several different stat combinations that on the regular achieve the same dps
raidbots is also a st dummy
basically
so things change in real life encounters aswell
somber moon
You'll like the crit on some bosses anyway
radiant ivy
okay..
It seems weird to me that the other rogue in my raid sims so much more haste than me, we want so different gear pieces... I get ofc it's just that the stats are dynamic and extremely volatile
rain pewter
you likely have slightly differing setups
different traits for example
and stuff like that
which pushes it around
karmic ingot
Use the top gear sim to find your best gear. Stat weights are bad.
royal lantern
azerite traits push your statweight pretty hard around
if you have blightborninfusion, crit loses value cus the trait gives you so much crit etc....
karmic ingot
If you have, for example, multiple overwhelming power traits, crit and mastery will sim higher.
radiant ivy
yeah i have em
I will use the top gear more, then. The thing is, the moment I swap a piece of gear as top gear sim said, the whole weights can change and I'd need to change more pieces?
karmic ingot
Also, don’t forget that Reorigination Array is dynamic, so when you have procs with large secondary stat bonuses, it converts your Reorigination Array too.
rain pewter
weights are horseshit
they add a single stat without changing the others
which doesnt accurately reflect how your stats change when you replace a piece of gear
radiant ivy
Procs also change RA? Oh jeez
karmic ingot
Weights change because they’re bad. The only thing weights are useful for is guessing at a glance whether or not a drop might aim better for you than some combination of gear you already have.
For example, if you are using 370 boots item to maintain haste as your highest secondary and you get a haste/mastery ring you might be able to switch to 385 boots to have higher overall ilvl and still have good balance of secondary stats.
rain pewter
good balance of stats likely only wins on pretty equal ilvls
a huge CHUNK of stats is probably going to be better
karmic ingot
Usually.
karmic ingot
Reorigination Array is huge though so dropping ilvls to keep your strongest stat on top is usually a DPS gain.
rain pewter
which a sim should tell you no?
karmic ingot
Yeah, that’s my whole point.
radiant ivy
Then I need to aim for crit atm because the top gear said so
karmic ingot
Stat weights help you guess, sims tell you if you were right 😃
weary verge
don't aim for anything, use whatever the "top gear" tells you to
radiant ivy
"aim", i keep in mind that stats are not the absolute truth, top gear is
weary verge
using stat weights isnt useful, because as you said yourself, as soon as you cahnge 1 piece your weights change
as they always have
this has been a thing since simming started
top gear has made it far easier than ever before
rain pewter
especially since warforging and titanforging became a thing
considering you could actually figure out the best combination available before
weary verge
idd
karmic ingot
My point is that I know in general as Assassination I’m going to prefer items with haste/crit over say vers/mastery. The actual weights are irrelevant, just the relative strength. So if a vers/mastery item drops and I have the same ilvl in that slot with haste/crit I won’t bother to roll on it.
But if I have something with mastery/crit and a haste/mastery item drops, I’d probably want to at least consider it because I may be able to get a little more damage out by swapping stuff around.
sturdy python
Oh, yeah it happens yeah
delicate crater
I feel like my trait drops push me into a corner with the specs I play. I probably shouldn't feel that way, but if I have 2 or 3 BiS Outlaw/Sub traits and not-so-great Sin traits, it makes it harder for me.
I'm sure the answer is something like "play what you want regardless" but still feels bad man.
lament quarry
@delicate crater Were did you find that picture?
olive shore
Reduced my haste from 16 to 8 and crit up to 25%. Let's see what that does to my aoe damage now
Need to play galecallers now I guess.
olive shore
Not really for the pulls my recent pugs made. Like four pulls in FH 😂
stray bramble
hello friends i am just wondering for raids is SS worth? or should I try for a double dose
placid elbow
but in M+, you don't need haste
You're getting energy from Bleeds+FOK Poisons anyway
olive shore
On bosses I will cry though
radiant ivy
we are the kings in FH man, shroud to the first boss lol the rest is cheeze
olive shore
While haste doesn't make a huge difference in energy regeneration I guess?
placid elbow
You're gonna cry on the bosses regardless with low static haste lol
sturdy python
Double dose is better in St but you'll just have to sim to see
stray bramble
i am just trying to fix my dmg output because my burst is fine but my sustain is not so good
radiant ivy
tell you what, a friend with crapton of haste tells me that he can mantain elaborate planning almost all the time
placid elbow
For me, haste becomes useless around 18-20%
sturdy python
That's easily done in aoe anyway
olive shore
That's way too high
sturdy python
And even if he can it doesn't mean it's a dps increase
placid elbow
For me, 18-20% is the sweet spot but any higher feels like you're wasting Crit/Mastery for nothing
sturdy python
Just sim and see what's the best stats for you
placid elbow
You're sacrificing too much above 19% IMO
my statweights no longer show Haste as priority
i've tried messing with a little more Crit/Mastery and lower Haste and it loses out on DPS, i've tried increasing haste over 20% and lower Crit or Mastery and DPS is significantly lower
Of course, different gear dictates stats but that's just my experience
18-20% Haste is the sweet spot
craggy raptor
There is no sweet spot just equip what sims best lol
olive shore
Not true
Especially for m+
You can't Sim everything. You have to decide
For single target bosses maybe
strange python
You can sim for m+
craggy raptor
^
marsh bloom
How the fuck is swirling sands simming more than DD??
craggy raptor
Well surely a more "general" direction is better than what "feels" best in game
olive shore
Didn't say i am going by feelings
craggy raptor
Was speaking about the previous person
Saying the sweet spot of haste is 18-20% based off what feels best and if he goes over 20% haste in favor of Mastery and Crit is a significant loss.
prisma monolithBOT
Dungeon Fight script: https://pastebin.com/sggpE4Km
If you want to get stat weights add this additional ```calculate_scale_factors="1"
scale_only="strength,intellect,agility,crit,mastery,vers,haste,weapon_dps,weapon_offhand_dps"```
How to use it(video):https://streamable.com/929ww.
sturdy python
Even still, simming 6t pathwerk is going to be fairly accurate for what one needs. As long as you're making sure lust and array is off it shouldn't change much
marsh bloom
does anyone know how swirling sands simmed more than DD?
sturdy python
Ilvl? Idk, it's just guessing if you don't post the sim
sturdy python
No clue, secondary traits maybe.
stable oxide
So when am I going to replace fathoms xD
I mean when I sim even a golden plumage 375 is worse
amber trench
i would guess because overwhelming power has stupid good value for you cause you're running ds
supple hearth
@stable oxide theres like 5 trinkets that MIGHT be better than fathoms at 375. Unless its a 385 your fathoms is likely better than everything. You'll replace it next tier x)
when ilvls and new trinkets come out
marsh bloom
didn't notice I had DS on lol
stable oxide
I thought golden plumage was one of them 😢
marsh bloom
Not suppose to be right? lol
amber trench
not usually no
muted jacinth
my haste stat weight is still 2.17, which is still higher than all secondaries for me at 20.65% / 1404 haste so idk
zinc furnace
guys do u gear haste or mastery on tyrannical weeks? e.g. 13-14 keys
round harbor
Gear your best gear 4head
ivory forge
anyone hit 19k sim yet?
round harbor
Yes
And honestly it's group dependant. If you put use a nice hybrid of all stats tbh
marsh bloom
Does top gear put gems in for you?
ivory forge
there's option for it
but the answer to the question is yes
in fact u can change everything including enchants
marsh bloom
if you don't select any gems does it put them in for you?
ivory forge
dont think so
marsh bloom
Haste for win the bois
On fights like vectis would it be better to take TB or Exsg
if both are about 40dps apart
gentle rapids
i'd say TB since it lines up with the add spawn
finite yacht
Fetid would be a go sub case I believe? For the burst on adds
hallow beacon
I believe tb has a 30 second cool down.
gentle rapids
isn't it 25 seconds for tb and 45 for exsang?
gentle rapids
yeah i know for sure exsang is 45 sec since i always have to wait 15 seconds for galecallers
hallow beacon
I play tb mostly because I like the feel of it. It feels more impactful more often (that's just personal)
gentle rapids
I really like the extra energy with exsang so i mostly play that but for vectis i switched to tb
edgy musk
Are there any guides or something regarding picking PB or CT for m+? Should I only go CT if we're doing big pulls etc?
gentle rapids
Afaik it's CT for every dungeon besides temple and kings rest, and you should use CT with 3+ mobs
and depending on how you kill trash in siege(if you're using the spotter or not) it might also be better to run PB there but that's personal preference i guess
marsh bloom
the spotter?
gentle rapids
yeah, there is an add that puts a debuff on someone that will spawn circles under you, those damage both you and the trash
so instead of just killing the trash you pull a lot, stack them up and stun them and kill them with that circle
edgy musk
So I never use CT on ST/2T?
strange python
no
edgy musk
Alright
I've been running PB, might be the reason why I feel my big pull aoe dps is so bad
oblique pendant
how to sim for m+?
solid nova
!m+
prisma monolithBOT
Dungeon Fight script: https://pastebin.com/sggpE4Km
If you want to get stat weights add this additional ```calculate_scale_factors="1"
scale_only="strength,intellect,agility,crit,mastery,vers,haste,weapon_dps,weapon_offhand_dps"```
How to use it(video):https://streamable.com/929ww.
steep obsidian
Handy
spice sorrel
Is there a way to sim top gear with that script? Or do you just swap gear ingame and keep grabbing the simc data
tired garnet
Hey guys, sorry for the basic question I am new to rogue, I have a question about Toxic Blade usage.
If toxic blade comes off CD and my rupture has about 8 seconds left on it, do I want to wait and pool some energy to use toxic blade / multiate + envenom after I refresh my rupture so I can spam envenom while the buff is up or do I want to use it on CD and refresh rupture while the debuff from toxic blade is up.
next tendon
Would you guys use PB for TD keys this week?
winter moss
FINALLY
quaint wadi
Hey, does Honor among thieves proc off heals in arena?
cold meteor
390 
last crown
bruh you ran ran Shrine enough for a titanforge gale
you deserve a 395 for that willpower
that dungeon is cancer
signal stream
hey did that contruct overcharger buff ever amount to anything
last crown
what was the buff? to procs?
wheat zealot
47% buff to haste value
last crown
oh. eh sorta.
my 370 construct is still simming below my 340 galecallers, but galecaller is such an annoyance to use
rotund wigeon
hey guys, i am playing without SS and my logs are mainly epic overall but ilvl % green or blue. like here: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/CY7tzypR4hFB3jan/#fight=2&type=damage-done
I am lewt. any hints, help? :/
strange python
KR 14 poison bomb or ct?
rotund wigeon
poision bomb
right now, i am talking about uldir
but i am also playing m+ without ss
fresh ginkgo
390 boon 
rotund wigeon
😢
placid elbow
Mixed feelings
rotund wigeon
if you guys can help me, please help me ; (
high sandal
Movement in certain fights are not going to allow you to epic in every fight. Seems like your priorities are right. Get the blood debuffs a couple times and dps goes down pretty normal.
brisk frost
@last crown sounds weird tho. atleast for me, 85 overcharger is simming more than 70 dice, unlicke be4 the buff. haven't tried it on fight yet tho, but it seems fine atleast on sims. https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mAKd3vp87vUfR7WVua4SmG
steep obsidian
you vendettaed on the pull on fetid and not during the extra damage phase with a 2 min killl time thats why you parsed bad there
placid elbow
85 overcharger sims higher for me too
but in raid
it felt weird
there was a 77% uptime from what I saw
but that doesn't really show me how many stacks lol
brisk frost
hmm
i guess i have to try it out
i'd just want to replace gc with it tho, gc is so awkward sometimes lol
placid elbow
GC is hard to use if there's movement
I never feel comfortable using it because 😐
Like for example on Zul, if I use it... what if Offtank moves crusher and faces it towards where I placced my ward? lol
Gotta move.
desert pelican
move on zul 
fading sparrow
Hey guys, Im trying to help an Assassin rogue in my guild improve, if i show you his logs, could yall help me figure out where hes messing up at?
Admittly, ive tried everything i know and i could use some help from people who may know more about what is going on than i do.
finite yacht
garrote should normally be my top damage yeah
its like 24% of my damage
i have 2 shrouded
finite yacht
well this is mainly overall in m+
fading sparrow
I mean, his gear is pretty decent
But i dont understand why his DPS is so low... =/
sterile echo
@fading sparrow he's missing some uptime on his vendetta by casting so early and waiting to hit abilities, and he doesn't seem to know how to use toxic blade - You want to pool some energy before using TB, and try and shoot for 2 envenoms during TB - he's not doing this
finite yacht
it looks like he is clipping
steep obsidian
2 pk casts in 2 min 30 seems wrong
finite yacht
his garrote
quasi ledge
@fading sparrow His Rupture/Garrote uptimes are really low. Envenom/Elaborate Planning uptimes are also really low.
finite yacht
and taking off empowered garrote with a normal one
steep obsidian
he sat at max sharpened blade stacks for like over 30 secs a few times
might as well just respec to a different trait if he not gonna press the button
fading sparrow
Admittly, i was gonna ask form to respec TB because i was seeing that myself.
sterile echo
@fading sparrow 2:36 is a pretty quick fight and he's probably just freaking out trying to hit big numbers - I bet if dude slowed down and just focused on a few things he'd be fine.
- Garrote/Rupture management - ensuring that he is utilizing pandemic times; not overwriting an empowered garrote --- weak auras with snapshot logic will help here.
- Understand and execute Toxic Blade correctly - pool energy and focus on those 2 envenoms
- Understanding overall energy pooling for assassin to utilize envenom/elab planning and vanish/garrote for maximum damage
- Azerite traits like deadbod mentioned
quasi ledge
Wasted quite a bit of energy by overcapping as well it seems. Dunno if he was Shadowstepping back to the boss or if it wasn't up be hit back into a nearby wall so he isn't running back the boss
sterile echo
@fading sparrow if he's having issues with TB, and he also is having issues with uptime management on garrote/rupture - he's not going to have much success with exsanguinate
quasi ledge
Ok yeah, that's a ton of wasted combo points
steep obsidian
he keeps pressing mut at 4 or 5 cp
fading sparrow
so envenom at 4 CP?
sterile echo
He should sit on a dummy with the ravenholt guide open, and think through his rotation.
quasi ledge
At this point all you can really do is link him the Assassination Guide and tell him to keep Rupture/Garrote up as close to 100% as possible, but also when he uses Garrote from stealth then let that tick out, then re apply
fading sparrow
That was a part of my plan once i got him to sit down with me.
steep obsidian
you cant avoid wasting some cps with seal fate but wasting them with mut is really bad
env at 4+ like the guide says
sterile echo
I use a modified version of this weakaura for tracking empowered/pandemic timers for dots - this might help him. https://wago.io/NJH5R4xd-
it has the mystler snapshot logic
quasi ledge
As reference: One of my old Fetid heroic kills which was a similar duration (2:36), i had 1 wasted combo from Mutilate
He had 35
fading sparrow
There are some other logs i can show from him if you want to see some other fights.
quasi ledge
10 from Seal Fate to his 14, that's just RNG etc
fading sparrow
I really appreciate yalls time to help me with my guildie. With any luck over the next few weeks he should show some great improvement!
terse hinge
For Raiding how do you guys feel about DD x2 with Archive x1?
lean coral
thats the go to usually
winter gale
Guys whats the best raidbots setup to sim urself for mythic plus?
patchwerk/5 bosses/40sec/only flask+food/no bl?
Anyone ?
safe matrix
something like that
but its not gonna be fully accurate, things arent gonna be fully stacked like archive
and you're not gonna have every cd for every pull
theres also a mythic dungeon script here
!m+
prisma monolithBOT
Dungeon Fight script: https://pastebin.com/sggpE4Km
If you want to get stat weights add this additional ```calculate_scale_factors="1"
scale_only="strength,intellect,agility,crit,mastery,vers,haste,weapon_dps,weapon_offhand_dps"```
How to use it(video):https://streamable.com/929ww.
finite yacht
whats a good amount of energy to pool with? or do you just aim to not overlap envenom buffs
i use exang
lime briar
390 construct over charger or fathoms
running exsang, herodamage says theyre about the same D:
inner pecan
sim
tawny sable
what do you do with the information produced at the end of the how to video? you can copy it to the clipboard but then what?
last crown
@finite yacht not overlapping env buffs is often a good generic sense of what to do, but pooling energy is never an exact science. you want to maximize uptime on: garrote, rupture, envenom, and elaborate planning (if using) to the extent that you can
finite yacht
yeah i was just trying to get a feel for some sort of pooling
last crown
if youre looking at logs to check where youre missing damage, usually the culprits are wasted energy and wasted CP for new players. for less-new players, it's the uptime on those 4. That takes some practice, but you gotta play around with your own stat setup to get used to how much you can pool
finite yacht
or something to look out for
last crown
if im wrong someone should correct me, havent played my rogue a ton since MoP and just getting back into it, but Sin doesn't seem to have changed much since then
short arch
Not overlapping env buffs? You mean I shouldn't refresh it when I got like 4sec of the thing left right? 😛
last crown
lol
know youre joking, but the one caveat is: better to overlap envenom buffs than to waste either energy or CP
mint escarp
would a second ss outperform an archive of the titans from 15 ilvl lower than the archive?
short arch
😄
civic palm
SIMs assume a strict pattern, which isn't the case most of the time.
last crown
fuck my life. 5 mother mythic kills+rolls, 8 mother heroic kills+rolls, not a dagger
like Mize said, Sims are only good if youre able to perform in the environment of the sim. Shrouded is still pretty damn amazing for Mythic+ type content
civic palm
Someone is already fucking your life, why ask for more? 😛
last crown
😦
civic palm
Shroud is also very good in non-Mythic raids unless you are farming Mythic as well.
The TTK is very low in most cases.
last crown
gotta love being stuck with those blue parses because i dont have reorg or weapons 😃