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#assassination
hollow cloud
desert vault
don't have it, my GCB is max ilvl, but not super ideal for MA, still good for TB
then only have a 360 dice and fathoms really
velvet kernel
gcb is like 3rd best for MA
primal estuary
ma*?
velvet kernel
master assasin
primal estuary
ohh
turbid galleon
Well I just found out that the Taloc haste trinket got buffed by a bit
velvet kernel
still sims shit for me
turbid galleon
Mine is an 385 with socket over 370 dice
velvet kernel
thats pogchamp
crystal vault
whats the stomp timer on fetid, someone knows?
craggy raptor
57 seconds-2:10-3:30
molten moon
It's a shame raidbots api doesn't factor exang properly.....it never sims higher DPS and EVERY top rogue uses in M+
lone junco
well.
what fight did you sim to deal with Exang In M+?
did you sim 1t 2m, 3t 20 6t 40? then do a composite dps based on pull counts in the instance?
lol
i didnt bother with BFA. cause SS is >>
i actually did it for Upper. cause I feeely that legion exang was better
but it was not.
i played it for raid full time. but m+ was not a gain for me. ever
literally only the 4m sim was >>
and even barely at that.
all the other counts and durations was shoulder mastery stack
i was bored at work one day
meh
@molten moon people use Exang in M+ over TB, because SS is godly for the 3-10t cleaves. so in order to pump the ST bosses exang on SS is best. In cleave it is effectively just an energy gain due to faster tick rates.
here is some crit break point graph from late legion exang.
I guess that was 9500 rating, idk.
round harbor
Draw my dps like one of those french girls
paper bough
Do I need galecallers and 20% haste or more for Exsanguinate to overtake toxic blade
Also both of my only 385 Azerite pieces are dagger in the back and my 370 shoulders are the only SS piece I have unless I give up wearing the 385 ditb Chest for fetid 370 SS chest
velvet kernel
why do you want to run ss/exsang?
paper bough
Also are these 18k sims I see floating around buffed or unbuffed
velvet kernel
why do you care?
paper bough
So I can dim my character and gauge where I stand in comparison????
velvet kernel
im so confused
paper bough
Yea you are
velvet kernel
why would they not be buffed?
why would you not sim with that?
unless its for m+ but you would not sim 1 target
paper bough
Why wouldn’t I run SS and exsang
velvet kernel
well dd and tb/ma is really good too
or just sub ss and tb
and loads of ppl sim 18k+
but dont worry about sims :d
paper bough
I don’t know what to say
velvet kernel
?
zealous lily
Did SimC/raidbots update with the Construct Overcharger change?
nevermind checked raidbots discord and the answer is yes.
paper bough
What ballpark dps you think I should be simming at for.375 I level st patchwerk 5min full buffs
I’m pretty underwhelmed with this number
paper bough
16.5k
zealous lily
with 10 stacks?
paper bough
It has to matter because I’m fed up with guessing whether shit tier 385 traits are better or worse than 370 SS/ good traits
paper bough
Just throw the pieces on and then sim the stuff I think is best vs other gear combos until I get the highest number
Is what I’ve been doing
velvet kernel
just use topgear
short arch
topgear
short arch
!m+
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warped siren
!wa
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Assassination WA's for BFA:
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https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
crystal vault
TB sims lower, but feels so much better to play 
sweet vigil
!wa
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Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
elfin valley
Yo if anyone is playing MA Sin i was just curious of ur opener for raid
spice surge
Its in the guide
dawn coyote
For those of you are 375+ ilvl, is mastery climbing your stat weights like crazy aswell?
I'm not quite sure why but mines way up there now, just below haste but higher than agi aswell
hidden anchor
y'all running CT or bomb this week for m+?
eager linden
@dawn coyote Yes, same for me Haste > Mast > Agility. But i'm playing MA/TB and an Envenom trait. Also I have a high D-Eye Spyglass so i can see why Mast is gaining value and Crit is losing
@hidden anchor Depends on the key level, the dungeon & the other two dps
inner pecan
you should still run it in any key that isn't KR or possibly Temple
dawn coyote
@eager linden Okay, but it's a bit strange though because I'm not using the spyglass, I'm running with loaded dice and plumage so I'm not sure why mastery is valued so much more than crit for me
round harbor
for anyone who has killed ghuun or is progging, when do i want to rotate my vendetta? @1 minute on tendril or just hold until 2m burn on ghuun
velvet kernel
?
vague canyon
Does anyone else have a problem shadowstepping to the first boss in Siege of Boralus? It tells me I can't do that right now
unkempt gulch
anyone in first add group on fetid? do you use vendetta on the big add or the little one
errant mauve
can you shadow step with orbs on ghuun?
autumn storm
does the enchant matter which hand its in? like is deadly stronger if its in main hand?
lost horizon
I've simmed and found otherwise, but that was for sub, not sure if it's spec relevant
nimble tartan
I use my vendetta on pull on ghuun cause I'm on special mission tendril killing the leftmost one all alone
lost horizon
actually nvm, not sure what results i was looking at but just resimmed to check
runic berry
i know its prob been asked a million times but what azu traits you guys finding best for uldir?
nimble tartan
Archive 🤤
weary granite
I have a fair few questions for assassination, is anyone free to dm me or should I just post em here a few (1) at a time?
round harbor
omr is it not worth holding venetta since the big wormy will die either way?
nimble tartan
Never had issues with it tbh
round harbor
im starting prog tonight and trying to figure out what i wanna do for the next 300 pulls
nimble tartan
I never even swapped to the big worm when it came out
I was just running around dotting tendrils and kicking shit
round harbor
cancer caner in melee?
nimble tartan
Theres just always a couple tendrils that spawn left near the ramp up so I just chilled there dotting and inting
signal mason
does a haste level where it drops in value exist? 😮
round harbor
yeah
patent topaz
hope I get benched for mythrax prog, doesnt look fun
civic palm
G L
strange python
What’s your opinion about double dose Azerite trait for mythic+? Is unstable catalyst or twist the knife better?
patent topaz
I got fetid chest, zul shoulders on first kill and 390 dagger from weekly chest, finally some upgrades
weary granite
for 3 targets with exsang, do i garrote 3x, rupture, mutliate, rupture a different target, exsang, or is there a better way to do it?
paper mural
Hey guys, just looking for a bit of guidance, just dinged 120, what is the 'go to' scrub talent spec for bog standard dungeons?
Took a huge break after last expac and I'm a wee bit behind at the mo
paper mural
Cool, thanks mate
paper mural
Just need to get geared at the mo, so not for a bit
cunning needle
well try aim for that gear if you can
i know the helm drops from SoS
cant remember the rest
glhf though
sweet acorn
Looking for a bit of advice on Mythic ZekVoz, what is everyone running in terms of Azerite Traits?
civic palm
item level, DD if you have it.
sweet acorn
I thought DD was pretty average for AoE?
supple wolf
civic palm
If you need AoE go OTL or something > _>
sweet acorn
Let me rephrase, should I focus more on having an AoE presence for Zek through Crimson etc
civic palm
SIN works fine IMO, most people are well above the designed item level for those encounters.
If warriors are taking too long to die, try and do something about it.
sweet acorn
Fair enough.
I'm still reading I should be aiming for SS despite it not simming as high as DD?
supple wolf
It's 2 different situation things
DD is strictly single target
Ss can be used for both
autumn jacinth
is it worth to have 2 archive of the titans?
civic palm
Yeah the stats are fine you just don't get the passive twice.
autumn jacinth
yeah its either that or shrouded suffocation
undone lodge
got a 340 galecaller's boon from Mythic 0 yesterday, and gave it to a hunter....stupid move? already have fathoms and harlan's 345
brave gyro
should've 
lean coral
galecallers probs beats a harlans at 345 st
royal lantern
2x archives 1x DD raidsetup and everything only 370....shit sucks
unkempt karma
Got one Archives now, ditb and SS.
Did pretty okay last night with that
patent topaz
2x archive 1 ss, sim for 18400 now
undone lodge
@brave gyro didnt have time, he begged for it like crazy, oh well...
@lean coral really? ...damn....
@patent topaz i got 1 SS 1 Archi 1 DD 😄
devout glen
hey how are u guys simming for m+ with SS?
dusky tinsel
3 targets, sometimes 40 sec - 3 mins, do different variations of that usually
quick ice
alternately, there's a guide somewhere that shows you how to use raidbots advanced mode to do DungeonSlice, which is what they use on herodamage , it trys to mimic part of a mythic+ dungeon
solid nova
!m+
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Dungeon Fight script: https://pastebin.com/sggpE4Km
If you want to get stat weights add this additional ```calculate_scale_factors="1"
scale_only="strength,intellect,agility,crit,mastery,vers,haste,weapon_dps,weapon_offhand_dps"```
How to use it(video):https://streamable.com/929ww.
vocal wave
For exsang out of vendetta and vanish, do I rupture > garrote > rupture exsang?
devout glen
if i onlyt plan on doing m+ for my ass rogue, should i be using the stat weights of 3 target 1 min fights?
cuz the haste prio is super low
vast forum
Sim for 3-6 targets, 40sec-1min
devout glen
yeah its basically teling me to use all my mastery heavy gear is there a certain amount of haste % i should aim for to not be completly useless on bosses?
vast forum
On tyrannical you might want some haste, but you won't be useless no matter what
devout glen
ah ok
so i should be gemming straight into mastery since its my lowest over than verse
rain pewter
I just love the hastestacking fantasy
winter gale
I also need mastery now and I am sitting on 15% haste only
Sims already says I should enchant into mastery for some of my items
brisk raptor
switch your crit enchantment on wep to mastery if you have any
I assume your crit is high
fair sparrow
Hey Guys, is there any guide that tells which talents to use on specific affixes in which dungeons? For instance Tryanical Temple - use poison bomb instead of CT and such?
brisk raptor
well you can just think about it
random scroll
so many SS and DD traits in the new raid 😮
brisk raptor
for fortified its CT cuz of mobs’ high HP, then for tyrannical/ST heavy fight, just aim for PB
fair sparrow
Yeah, just wanted to see if there are some experienced people here who already have this tested 😃 In theory, what you said should be the rule
brisk raptor
I dont know anything about this rotation, Im just using whichever I prefer most in dungs
You should’ve been in every m+ by now so you can decide whether one is AoE or ST heavy 😀
glacial abyss
is the best gem to get on pieces like wrist a haste gem?
quasi pewter
Sim it
solid nova
It'll be whatever your highest stat is from your simmed stat weights
round harbor
@fair sparrow it also depends on how much you are pulling. If your tank can't handle like 4+ mobs consistently then pb may pull ahead a little more
CT is nice, but I've found the gap between the two in pugs to be very small if any
fair sparrow
Yeah, thats my problem. My tank is still bet shaky (he did 1st 10 yday) so pulls are not that big. Also I'm wondering about excetpions, Tryanicall weeks where CT would be better due to bigger packs (motherlode) and fortified where pb would pull ahead
ruby idol
Pb for temple/kr usually. Depending on how you pull underrot it can be good there too
Ct everything else always
fair sparrow
it's all small difference but still, i like to be sure i'm using best possible talents and so on 😃
makes me feel good
round harbor
Also consider playing other specs while your learning and progressing
I much prefer outlaw in motherlode/atal and for shrine/TD sub is top tier
fair sparrow
could do that, outlaw is honestly way more fun spec in dynamical encounters such as PVP, while sin i like for dps i pull. But i'm still uncomfortable with sub, i need more experience on it.
Thank for the input, i'll try to see what azerite i have for outlaw and sub
vocal harbor
apparently i'm simming equally between 375 SS/Archive and 385 TTK + 375 archive
DD on the helm for both sets
quick ice
is the archive piece the same piece? because if it isn't, I'd use the setup with SS, just so you can use the same slot in M+ 😃
vocal harbor
it is unfortunately
i give up archive on chest to use SS, shoulders get archive
oh wait i see what you mean lol
yeah i can swap out the shoulders for m+
delicate egret
Ummm, I think something fucky is going on with my sims, for some reason Sharpened Blade is simming higher than SS, on two equal ilvl pieces, and I'm pretty sure that's not supposed to be happening
quick ice
with subterfuge?
quick ice
vast forum
quiet crescent
15+ML key this with CT feels really good.
vocal wave
Hey guys, on vectis when I run with exsang, my bleed and garrotes times seem to get messed up. How do you guys use exsang when you have no vanish and no vendetta. Do you rupture twice and garotte before exsang ? Or just hold exsang for when you do a fresh application of rupture and garote
pure umbra
Are you guys still using PB on King's rest?
zinc zephyr
!m+
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Dungeon Fight script: https://pastebin.com/sggpE4Km
If you want to get stat weights add this additional ```calculate_scale_factors="1"
scale_only="strength,intellect,agility,crit,mastery,vers,haste,weapon_dps,weapon_offhand_dps"```
How to use it(video):https://streamable.com/929ww.
solid sluice
hey fellas, I've been out of the loop for a little while. what spec is performing well in primarily M+ content atm?
quick ice
!best
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All specs are good. Specific ones shine in specific areas.
Check the following resources for the facts:
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Raider.io: https://raider.io/mythic-plus/season-bfa-1/all/world/leaderboards-strict
solid sluice
tyvm
echo night
In M+ assass is the best spec on avg, but its outplayed by outlaw on certain dungeons and affixes, alle 3 are viable, just dont expect to come close to the other spec preformances in their prime scenarios, but yea, assass and outlaw are very solid allround specs atm, sub feels a bit weird but has its place in M+ aswell
All 3*
@solid sluice
Also comes down to your group comp, whats the best utility for your setup, probably the most important thing atm
delicate egret
How long before TB comes off CD do you guys usually start pooling?
echo night
Depends on how many targets you have poisoned and bleeds on, can vary a bit :)
On st i usually wait somewhere between 4-6 sec tops
If im drained
But again, i might be wrong :)
delicate egret
How many ilvls do you guys think SS is worth approx? asking cause I have a 370 chest with poisoned wire + overwhelming power and I'm considering running normal for a chance at a 355 fetid chest
spice surge
For m+ 355 100%
For singletarget you'd have to sim it but i think it would be close, poisoned wire is very bad
shy escarp
for me a 355 SS helm was worth more than a 385 SoB helm in M+
really 360 since I have enough AP to get the last trait on that and not the 385
spice surge
That sounds reasonable, especially if you're just doing 10's SoB has like no value
and SS is insane
shy escarp
5 target patchwerk 40s is what I usually use to sim M+
vague patrol
you have to factor in boss dmg too, especially tyrannical
and yeah i guess it depends on how high of a key
shy escarp
SoB is also garbage on ST
vague patrol
sure but +30 ilvl of agility isnt
spice surge
I mean yeah you lose like 2% on boss dps, but you gain like 5% on aoe, which is the majority of the dungeon
shy escarp
it would be a very minor ST damage loss for a massive buff to trash damage
even on tyrannical trash is what matters most
vague patrol
well if it's 5% vs 2% then yes sure
shy escarp
SS is just ridiculously ahead of everything else in M+
vague patrol
ill have to try some more sims
for me it would be archive rather than sob tho
or battlefield focus i guess
would prefer to just finally get a 385 ss shoulder or helm sigh...
shy escarp
I did managed to get a 385 SS shoulder...but it also has inevitability on it so I have it set to that now because I wanted to play some sub
vague patrol
i only have the fetid chest with ss but until i get at least 1 more piece its hard to justify over outlaw
shy escarp
in my gear setup Sub is actually simming slightly higher than Assassin because my 2 385 pieces have 2 BiS Sub traits, but Assassin is way easyer to play
vague patrol
for m+
shy escarp
need more sub practice
vague patrol
for raid sin is better for a lot of fights even if sub sims slightly higher just because sub is so bad on 2-3 targets
compared to sin
which is a lot of uldir
shy escarp
yeah, I did Vectis for the first time as Sub and I didn't like it
low palm
Hello guys, I am a sin rogue but i keep getting very low parses, I follow the rotation in the ravenholdt guide, have 2xSS with ExS build and overall i don't really know why my DPS is so low... I always keep in mind not to overwrite a stealthed Garrote and try to pool energy before envenoming... I don't know what i'm missing, could someone lend me a hand or give me some pointers on how to read my logs so i can find out my weaknesses? Thanks https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/35452714
vague patrol
you're like 10 ilvl behind to parses and your kill times are a little long for starters
delicate egret
You're supposed to pool before envenom?
wheat zealot
No you dont have to
low palm
So i can get 2 mutilates in the window of the finisher proc? I thought that was the idea
and if i do a "lookup by ilvl" im still in 60 percentile in some bosses which i consider pretty low
the "by ilvl" option is looking at an ilvl window I might be behind?
vague patrol
ilvl parses are weird
people mainly look at overall
although the new weighted dps one is cool if that actually works
round wadi
@low palm take off that raid trinket man and try to get a galecaller
versed flare
is Suffocation still worth it after the nerf. I see some saying do other traits and some say use it
shy escarp
in M+ is still destroys all other options
in raids it's still one of the top handful of traits
versed flare
glad I have been keeping all version of azerite gear then. thanks.
round wadi
U have to play with subterfuge and exs tho
shy escarp
and you probably need something like galecallers for the full combo to have it beat out something like double dose on ST
at least for me without galecallers DD is better
vague patrol
its not the best single target trait for raid
that really depends on your other gear and stuff but it's often outperformed by others
versed flare
yeah, i have a 340 gale. need to spam that mythic+ for a better one though
round wadi
Well I u want to aim for the best one it's ss
strange python
Hey i just recently switched to assa, how important are the azerite traits? Got 1x SS, is this enough to play assa effectively? Im mainly playing lower key m+
low palm
@round wadi i will try to get a galecaller, thanks
versed flare
so SS needs the exsanguinate talent for full effectiveness?
vast forum
Ss is the best overall, just not on patchwerk
So basically best on all the important bosses
round wadi
Even If u look at Sims numbers ss is higher on patchwerk
delicate egret
How strong is overwhelming power?
vast forum
I sim 18.4k with 2xSS A
and 17.9 with dd i think
spice surge
"Important bosses" is basicly just g'huun, where ST in the last phase is really the only dps check
round wadi
Man it doesn't
vast forum
Ghuun isn't the only important boss
round wadi
Just check herodmg
vast forum
There's plenty of 6h/w guilds still progressing earlier bosses
delicate egret
Herodmg seems weird
round wadi
x2 ss Sims higher then x2 dd
delicate egret
rates SS as one of the lowest traits of all
vast forum
Just because all the 9-12h/w guilds are at ghuun doesn't mean it's the only important boss in the raid
vast forum
Click on exsg
delicate egret
Riiight
If I sim my char with SS and exsg it sims lower than SS and TB, any idea what's causing that?
Not enough haste?
round wadi
Probably or u just dont have gcb
round wadi
Yea it does a lot
spice surge
@round wadi There is literally no way to read herodamage where you get that SS is better than DD, unless you limit yourself to not playing tb
round wadi
Wat
U just check the dmg of the default build with 2x DD
And then u check the ss dmg with exsg build
vast forum
Pointless discussion, as exsg is just better in any non-pure st fight
hard cove
hmm i seem to be simming quite a bit higher with subterfuge 2x SS traits and exang
over TB and DD
its like 500 dps difference xD
vast forum
And only pure st fight is mother and taloc, the 2 easiest bosses
round wadi
And even at mother ss exsg is so much better
vast forum
Agreed
round wadi
Aniway people can play whatever they prefer
hard cove
simming at around 16.8k with tb and dd and simming 17.3k with SS and exang
for a 5 mins patchwerk
round wadi
But don't say is stupid just cause u can't read it
spice surge
🤷
vast forum
Tb/dd is still good, just not at all versatile
Pulls slightly ahead on st on high gear levels i think
hard cove
hmm think imma make the swap over too exang and try that out xD
if its simming higher then it will likelly be better for me i guess
vast forum
You've been simming higher with exsg and running tb
hard cove
i got a crap load of haste + 370 gcb though
vast forum
Mad lad
hard cove
nahh i just started simming higher coz i got a second SS trait yesterday
before that it was simming lower coz i only had 1 SS trait
patent topaz
31 haste with array
strange python
so i usually get 8-10 spot on dps but i still apperantly suck because my dps is around 10k and apperantly it should be much higher
hard cove
whats your ilvl dpw ?
hard cove
should be a little higher yeh could be a number of things wrong though
like stats traits talents or rotation
vast forum
Post logs, hope someone cares to go through them
strange python
i checked that guide for talents and my talents are good
but one question toxic blade or the bleed faster thing
hard cove
depends on your traits tbh
vast forum
Check the 10 min discussion that happened just a moment ago
hard cove
usually toxic blade unless your going full in on the exanguinate build
strange python
ok toxic blade
hard cove
yeah it sims alot higher for me too grizzled
but i got 2x SS traits and 370 galecallers boon
so ive fully invested into the bleed build
hard cove
if you have 2x shrouded suffocation traits
and a galecallers boon
and alot of haste
yes
if you dont have all those
then no
strange python
ya the only thing i could change is 2 shrouded suffocation
hard cove
but honestly just sim yourself dpw
sims can tell you which talent set ups work best for you
strange python
i have no idea how to use sim XD
hard cove
go to raidbots.com
spice surge
@round wadi I guess you're right where herodamage shows SS as a larger increase, but what i meant is that the overall dps from going to TB/DD sims higher on ST. Im not arguing wether or not SS isnt useful in actual raid encounter but it does sim lower on pure ST. http://piclair.com/data/8txyz.jpg (https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9a6vxHLF6kWomYtmts7QUc)
hard cove
its super simple
spice surge
There's also a guide for how to sim in #rules-and-guides
strange python
so whats dd and what ss
spice surge
Because you logged out as sub, download the simulationcraft addon
strange python
have
spice surge
Then type /simc ingame and copy what you get, then paste it into raidbots
strange python
paste raidbots sounds complex XD
round wadi
It's not
strange python
just realized it said i can do 18k dps
man i really suck
ya i can do a little more at 10k XD
you mean almost double my dps
nvm it says 13k for me XD
spice surge
One helm has DD/heed, the other has SS/heed, one has a whirl/dd chest the other has a whirl/SS chest
Now im just gonna assume you're trolling
@strange python Keep in mind sims are done with full buffs and bloodlust
strange python
im using cowl of fluid machinations (mythic 8) no dd only ss
spice surge
With pots, flasks/food. So trying on a dummy you will not be even close to 18k
strange python
oh
round wadi
I'm not trolling but np
delicate egret
do you refresh bleeds right before exsg?
round wadi
Yes
spice surge
If rupture is under 22 seconds and only garrote if its is in pandemic
strange python
i used toxic blade all my rogue life
round wadi
U simmed them with the same stats that are the stats that works best for tb
With dd
That's not a pure trait dps sim
spice surge
I simmed with the default profile
There isnt much gear choices in uldir
Its the same as herodamage uses
strange python
thanks for teaching me how to us sim
hard cove
we didnt teach you the guide in the link did 😛
but use that often its a very powerful tool as a dps player
strange python
comparing two 370 shoulders i have right now
spice surge
Also there is barrely any difference between exsang and tb stats anyway. The only thing is that galecaller gives slightly more damage when using exsang
spice surge
Yes, but not during pull
As you already got a garrote out of stealth from being in stealth on pull
strange python
i know not right away
oblique smelt
arguing with a guildie over this, is it possible to get 5 garrotes out of stealth?
strange python
yes
spice surge
No?
oblique smelt
im saying 4 + 6 seconds waiting for other
spice surge
Only 3
lament dove
no, only 3
spice surge
You can only do 3 in stealth, but you can have more up at the same time
strange python
:p
oblique smelt
well 3 subterfuge and then 1 more since that doesnt go on CD
lament dove
yes, you can do 4, but 4th one will not be empowered by the 80% of subterfuge
oblique smelt
yea i know that much
strange python
the 4th one for me will
oblique smelt
hes just saying that you can get 5 mobs
spice surge
So unless you use vanish you can only get 3 from subterfuge
hard cove
dpw no it wont its impossible
strange python
and i only got 808 haste (12%)
spice surge
No you cant get 4 from subterfuge, you only have 3 seconds
hard cove
no one can
spice surge
And gcds is always 1s each
hard cove
i have 21% haste and can still only get 3 out
hard cove
it makes your bleeds tick faster
spice surge
More energy
strange python
this whole time i thought i wanted mastery
hard cove
nope
paper bough
guys please make recommendations on how to improve this parse https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/jgGra7c4f1DwdA9k#fight=6&type=damage-done im Balsaq
hard cove
haste > crit is what ive gone with
oblique smelt
alright so not possible to insta get 5 out froms tealth without CD happening, was thinking that maybe i was just misplaying this entire time
paper bough
i just feel like i should be capable of 90+ and im following the guide on ravenholdt to a tee
i really dont want to chalk what i feel to be subpar parses up to just getting more gear
if anyone can provide fb id appreciate it
hard cove
zas if its a big trash pull you can do your 3 garrote and vanish to get another 3 out after your crimson tempest
but without vanish your capped at 3 empowered garrotes +1 non empowered
hard cove
nah you likely wont have the energy for another 3 right after the first 3
strange python
then 5-6
hard cove
- you got 5 combo points that your sitting on
so you wanna spend those
or your losing dps
oblique smelt
i usually do 3 garrote > CT > Garrote > Fan > Rupture
dunno if its best but just what i have gotten used to
hard cove
same here
spice surge
@paper bough Seems like you're not using TB nearly on cd, theoretically you should've been able to get 3 more of during that fight
spice surge
Slightly less since its not a full ST boss, but atleast 1 or 2 more is def possible
strange python
ct
oblique smelt
big pulls i tend to just spam CT over rupture
hard cove
ill 3x garrote > CT pull a lil energy vanish 3x garrote > CT then FoK rupture spam
paper bough
i know i need to work on that eleem, thanks for pointing out. i just feel like there has to be other shit going on
strange python
whats ct
paper bough
that makes the difference between 78 and 90+
hard cove
crimson tempest
paper bough
unless it really is im just competing with a lot of geared people
strange python
oh
spice surge
You def are, but also mythrax is more of a pad fight
strange python
so now i know aoe open whats single open :p
strange python
i dont think its good
haughty lily
I usually just going around rupturing and garrote the entire world
spice surge
You can have groups where one/two people are the only ones that get to damage the adds (and therefore get much higher logs) in hc
spice surge
@strange python Guide in the pins has openers
paper bough
check that out
strange python
nice
paper bough
it just feels awful topping damage and then getting a shit parse
oblique smelt
Single opener is in guide like most things but from memory, Garrote, Mutilate, Rupture, vendetta, mutilate to 4+ envenom, toxic blade
paper bough
i can alsmost guarentee i fuck up tb in that one too
strange python
when do i apply garrote and rupture right after its down or right before its down
paper bough
is there any advantage to G,G ,R, vend, tb, envenom, mut, mut envenom, mut mut envenom versus G,R,G etc etc
hard cove
usually about 4-5 seconds before it falls off dpw
strange python
ok imma try on a dummy
hard cove
you want to always have your dots rolling
spice surge
@strange python Scroll down in the pins and look for pandemic
hard cove
them falling off costs you damage + energy
spice surge
Its a mechinc you should be aware of
strange python
this looks much better than how the dh discord sounds XD
lament dove
@paper bough what traits do you have? I have a rezan's fury and I was wondering myself, how much of an impact would have on the parse if I would have a better one... I mean other rogue has 1,5x garrote dmg compared to me while my rezan's fury is doing like 1/5 of the dmg of that difference
strange python
rezans fury is meh
paper bough
i try to have 1 archive and 1 ss
haughty lily
In raids SS doesn’t matter as much, only for really big add fights.
paper bough
and then last one is typically whatever my 385 azerite piece has
haughty lily
I would focus on DD or sim yourself on single target
strange python
is https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-azerite-traits-powers-and-armor reliable at all to know what traits are good
paper bough
which i believe right now is dagger in the back
spice surge
Ultimately though, you arent gonna get 99% parses with 372 when people are doing it with 385
paper bough
i have more gear now im around 377
but i get ya
i just am really tough on myself and would like to be 90+
more often than not when i get beat i inspect the person and they are sporting more 285 azerite and have like 290 weapons
lament dove
well, on ZekVoz my rogue pal has 2 SS and he has like 30% garrote dmg and 1/3 of that is from the second SS (compared to me who has 1 SS)...
paper bough
i rarely inspect someone with less gear doing more damage
haughty lily
I was the same way, then I got all new azerite gear and changed nothing and it happened. Plus a lot of parses are just having the most optimal fight you can
spice surge
Focus on using your toxic blades more often, you missed a cast on your mother fight aswell
lament dove
sorry, I meant Vectis:D
paper bough
vectis is weird i could use help there too i never know what to do with the add
lament dove
kill it:)
paper bough
do i swap and throw up garrote and rupture
hard cove
refresh your dots on the boss
paper bough
do i save vanish for it
hard cove
then swap full to add
spice surge
Depends on your raid damage
hard cove
i usually save vanish so i can garrote boss + add with a big garrote
spice surge
You can just dot it and keep focusing boss if it dies before 2:nd cast anyway, but if it doesnt you refresh your dots on boss then focus 100% on the add
Same with vanish saving, if it would die instantly because everyone else has cds there isnt really a point to save it
fresh ginkgo
In tol dagor how do you open the second big gate without aggroing the mages?
spice surge
Stand to the far right
paper bough
spice surge
Behind the pillar thing @fresh ginkgo
paper bough
cause i cant parse on taloc for the life of me
fresh ginkgo
@spice surge Derp ty
haughty lily
Taloc is hard cause of the elevator
hard cove
stand on the right behind the little bit of wall @fresh ginkgo
candid mica
saq you need RoA
hard cove
then you can shroud and distract the guy standing at the door
and skip all that crap 😄
paper bough
whats roa
candid mica
reorigination array
candid mica
haughty lily
also your fight on taloc was pretty long compared to alot of people with better parses
haughty lily
why not bloodmallet?
candid mica
haughty lily
i use bloodmallet and then i sim like 2 million times
spice surge
Because bloodmallet does only feature the default profile
eg SS looks like the worst trait because its simmed with MA
Whereas on herodamage they have a little icon next to ss indicating that its with subterfuge instead
haughty lily
i hate SS im an advocate for making it look bad
haughty lily
MA with DD is more relaxing hahah gets the same stuff done
spice surge
and also, herodamage is maintainged by primarily rogues
simple meteor
hmmm 385 DITB or 370 SS for mythic plus asking here cause sims don't count the restealths any help?
wheat zealot
370 ss
spice surge
So it will always be the most accurate for rogues
wheat zealot
100%
fresh ginkgo
no SS opener feels super wierd to me now
haughty lily
mythic+ is ALWAYS ss 😦
simple meteor
i see np
candid mica
yeah ss for m+
strange python
did u know that ? SS for m+
haughty lily
any other logs i can stare at? i dont wanna socialize with the person next to me
paper bough
do we tb on cd even with 5 cp
if its before an envenom
also do i give any weight to the wcl mythic plus statistics that show outlaw reigning supreme above all other rogue specs between 70th and 80th percentile with sub winning out at 90+?
paper bough
i only ask because some of my 385 azerite stuff is better suited to combat
i have no 385 SS stuff
so im kind of at a stand still until i get some
stuck in 370 shit
cold meteor
M+ is not only raw dps
paper bough
when my overall is like 380
paper bough
stub all i care about is #1 dps
i know thats not the right way to look at it
but idc
lament dove
370 SS for M+ is good
lament dove
you can take 370 SS over anything 385 for m+
candid mica
^
paper bough
my 2 385 pieces are dagger in the back so
ill use the Gonk outrunner SS shoulders (370) fetid chest (370 = 2 SS
and then my 385 dagger in the back head piece
unless 370 swirling sands is better
but i doubt it
and then for trinkets im working with 380 lustrous plumage, 385 deadeye spyglass, and 365 harlans, fathoms
guess which sim highest st
paper bough
sims tell me fathoms and spyglass
but youre prob right cause i can control the usage of plumage
is that what you were thinking?
lone junco
@jovial kite you still raiding? or nah
paper bough
are we running CT this week or no
delicate crater
Sharpened Blades is my best ST trait on helm according to Sims but it just feels bad man when raiding with it. Anyone else use this trait?
spice surge
@paper bough Yes, you TB even at 5cp if its ready
fossil tundra
Why plumage over gcb?
spice surge
Preferably you keep your energy and stay at 3/4 cp but sometimes thats not possible
Wasting that 1 or 2 cp is worth as you get a 30% bonus on envenom and you dont delay TB
onyx ferry
guys question for you
spice surge
(You can think of 1 cp as roughly 20% of an envenom, then its pretty clear that a 30% increased envenom is worth more)
onyx ferry
i have 2 370 SS, for mythic + should i go with the 2 or 1 SS and 1 ditb 385?
paper bough
2
lament dove
2xSS
floral frost
ss ftw
onyx ferry
cool, thx
lament dove
going from 1 to 2 SS is like getting a birthday cake
obtuse ruin
its so hard to sim for m+, my sim says poison bomb does more damage but I end up doing more with CT...whats the general go to build?
floral frost
the build YOU do more damage with
obtuse ruin
I dont do damage with any build 
tribal marlin
if you want to sim m+ : 1st check out hero damage to have an idea, 2nd sim 5t patchwerk 40sec (60-80sec for big pull fortified) removing buff, 3rd sim 1t patchwerk 2-3mn with lust for bosses
paper bough
its just so easy
tribal marlin
then with the result make your own idea
paper bough
what do i look for on hero dmg
dark crag
Does mastery affect double dose?
desert vault
man, Fetid is funny. We have been wiping endlessly on it. Last night, clear trash, one-shot boss, done. So RNG on that fight with add spawns, breath direction, etc.
delicate crater
so does anyone use Sharpened Blades for prog?
strange python
34% haste with 10th stack of RoA, feels gooood
hollow stone
@desert vault makes sense. Thats usually how 1 phase fights go; struggle struggle struggle feel like no prog, then it dies
cerulean depot
https://www.wowhead.com/spell=76803/mastery-potent-assassin @spice surge Dd is among affected spells, wording suggests the same
hollow stone
@delicate crater not by choice but if it sims best w your gear, yes they do
Apparently (and i havent confirmed so yknow) dd is phys dmg so is not effected by mastery or tb
spice surge
Iirc i think i tried both ingame and with simc but neither got increased
But i think it gets the damage buff from tb, or atleast it does in simc
Idk though, i could check agian
dark crag
In skada it is shown as green for nature dmg
hollow stone
Fair. I dont actually know i just member somebody in here saying it was phys
delicate crater
SB is like 100dps increase over my second best trait, but it just doesn't seem worth it, and I cant use it in the pull opener
desert vault
I just hope Vectis gives me something this week, nothing from Fetid at least Vectis has bracers and head I still need
385 SS would have been nice from Fetid though
Get my 385 Archive, SS, and DD setup complete and call it a day
spice surge
Ok im wrong, simc says DD scales from mastery
I remembered it not scaling because i thought it was wierd that it didnt, but apparently it does 🤷
lone junco
hoping for some 2DD +Twist scale in 8.1
cerulean depot
It is 100% poison damage
lone junco
haste to 18% then crit mastery 🤔
desert vault
Is there a date for 8.1 yet?
hollow stone
Dec 11, i think
spice surge
Yes 11/12 december
But raid isnt included, raid is either the 9:th or 16:th jan (probably)
desert vault
oh ok i was going to say if they were dropping the new raid that quick as well ...
hollow stone
Sure we can, it'd just be rude
desert vault
jeez MA sims so much higher for me ... I was running it on Fetid and it was alright, but on Vectis SS/Subt has to be better for adds and all that
velvet kernel
Not really
velvet kernel
SS both
desert vault
That's true I guess, I dunno I need to run some M+ and I'm not spending anymore money to reforge 😃
So SS it is!
desert vault
Yeah its a pain to swap, its nearly 400 DPS lower than MA, but its w/e really
vale helm
Why does TB gain value on aoe when I swap over from poison bomb to tempest? I would assume it to be even better with an extra bleed
fickle idol
Odd that nobody discusses the cadence of actions. It seems just as important as rotation to me. I picked up a good chunk of dps lastnight just paying attention to Elaborate Planning buff and trying to only build combo points during it.
vocal wave
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/481138233254739980/510124254101110784/unknown.png
Blizzard: Primary stats and ilvl will always be an upgrade
cerulean depot
You must have little to no haste
fickle idol
16%
stable oxide
cerulean depot
For me mastery, crit and agi are all better than haste
amber arrow
Mastery took over haste for me too but i swapped a haste gem for mastery and my sim went down
ornate mantle
hey guys
is there a way on herodamage or bloodmallet
to check the trinkets at certain ilvl not every ilvl and check everyone?
safe matrix
each of the colors represent ilvls
so its kinda done already
just some visual clutter 🤷
solid nova
Colours = Item levels
Or if it's a comparison of your own trinkets, you can just sim the difference for a definitive answer.
vocal wave
How do you guys use Exsang, do you use it like the opener, and rupture > garrote > rupture > exsang? Or just Rupture > Garrote > Exsang?
This is without vanish and vendetta
elder prairie
I just make sure rupture and garotte are both at as high a timer as possible
fickle idol
at what stat lvl is exsang = tb?
obtuse ruin
@tribal marlin whats 5t patchwerk?
strange python
@vocal wave Read the guide
dull osprey
@fickle idol I was wondering the same thing about the cadence of the fight. Was hoping to hear from some peeps
fickle idol
In stead of pressing buttons (in the correct order) as soon as there was enough energy to do so I pooled and waited until the energy pool was nearly full. It makes sense given the mechanicso of other dps classes
as you "ramp up" you're getting your bleeds out on more things you've poisoned and then getting energy back quicker allowing for the pace to increase as teh fight goes on
wheat zealot
Exsang becomes better when it sims higher
dull osprey
I've heard from several others that pooling doesn't do anything unless you're running TB
fickle idol
Pooling to use your finisher and quickly build combo points while EP is still up was significantly increasing my dps
vocal wave
Guide only really explains the opener but has no other mention of exsang out of that @strange python
dull osprey
including garrote?
vocal wave
Cool like o didn't know if it was worth doing two ruptures to get it to max 31 secs or not
wheat zealot
Yeah you want max
dull osprey
I was told don't worry about refreshing garrote, just smang a fresh rupt before a exang
d\idn't make a lot of sense to me, but I wasn't in anuy position to argue lol
inner pecan
that's basically what the sim does @dull osprey
afaik there hasn't been any sim where refreshing garrote to full pandemic regardless of time left is a gain
safe bet is to refresh Rupture if under 20s and refresh garrote if it's under or close to pandemic
dull osprey
So if the Garrote is <=5.4 sec refresh otherwise just refresh rupture and yolo?
What if I have 4 cp. Should I garrote to get the 5th point then rupt or just rupt at four for an exang?
dapper wraith
Does feint work on the dmg from people room transitioning on Mother?
dull osprey
yeah
dapper wraith
or do I have to talent it
spice surge
It does not for some reason
dull osprey
wait really?
spice surge
Y
wheat zealot
It depends, usually it is considered aoe
dull osprey
I guess I hadn't noticed because I switched to feint over cheat death
helps my heals out a bit
hazy skiff
It looks like the construct overcharger buff was updated on raidbots, can anybody confirm?
obtuse robin
where do you see that buff
spice surge
It is
hazy skiff
It’s not posted, it was a stealth buff
spice surge
Raidbots discord confirms
hazy skiff
Haste portion of the trinket was buffed by like ~46%
obtuse robin
this info is in the raidbot discord?
spice surge
You can look at the trinket ingame. This reset it was buffed
No notes isnt unusual for such a small change
obtuse robin
46 % is small o.o well lets see how good is it ty for info
spice surge
Herodamage is updated
strange python
Yikes
fresh ginkgo
zandalar emissary emissary cache waiting room 
strange python
how do you sim a specific boss
warm sable
is there someone here very good with Macros ?
I cannot make macro it stops after Vanish it doesnt go any further in Cheap Shot ?!?! Anyone can help me ?
strange python
What
toxic plover
I assume you mean that Cheap Shot doesn't immediately cast after you use Vanish on your macro? Might be a targeting or combat issue.
I personally don't have many macros
vestal wren
@lone junco nighly or weekly?
vocal wave
I feel like my stats are really good for Outlaw but absolute trash for Sin. But I don't know if it's worth using OL over Sin for some fights just because of that reason tbh
I've already simmed myself
And it's put haste at 2.83 then Mastery and then agi at like 1.60
rocky notch
post raidbots of those weights
crisp gate
so does anyone think versatility will be useful in 8.1? I saw they added a bunch of vers multipliers to specific traits and I'm wondering if that will affect stat priorities
dull osprey
YES! With the buff to the trinket, I"m now above 16k lol
quasi pewter
@cerulean depot ur sockets and 2x double dose are disgusting
desert vault
The sockets are the most awful thing about @cerulean depot 😃
vocal wave
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dCiJsE1PNj853c2rzcNVce
This is ST
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/481138233254739980/510124254101110784/unknown.png
This is cleave. Did this before
This was set up for my OL set before, hence the crit and vers gems and enchants. But even before I tried going full OL with crit and Vers, with this same gear, I was still simming haste WAY above the rest.
I can resim the cleave one and see if it's changed since I got a piece of gear earlier
lone junco
@vestal wren I would never use Weekly on purpose. But, im also pretty high on the haste profile, so its probably just not a gain in that current setup. Ill check with my full bank of gear tonight.
strange python
Why would even sim cleave
vocal wave
I mean you can ignore cleave, the ST is still up there regardless
vocal wave
I was using that for my OL since it was simming higher, but as I said before, when I was using enchants and gems suited for Sin at the time, the simmed stat weights didn't change much
Haste was still over 0.5 ahead of agi even back then
strange python
Have you tried simming Toxic Blade
vocal wave
Lemme give that a goi
lone junco
fun fact. My white crits are like 5500 which is = a rupture tick crit. I guess thats how they planned to keep things balanced.
vocal wave
I run elusiveness while out and about because I'm in War Mode
vocal wave
Main issue is, do you think these stat weights can translate into poorer than usual dps as Sin, vs OL (where the stats are actually really really good) even on fights where Sin would usually perform better?
strange python
Gutripper
lone junco
3/3 gutripper
vocal wave
Or do you think, regardless of stats, Sin should outperform OL on the fights where it usually does outperform
strange python
idk sim it
dull osprey
So is the reason exang build sims higher for me because I have high haste and x2 SS?
dense wave
This week we realized you can melee Mother through the wall
dull osprey
NAni?
vocal wave
Yeah you can
strong nimbus
hey , i would like to ask between 3 trinkets : 380 Harlan , 380 lustrous , 370 dooms wake ( simdps gives random numbers every sim)
dull osprey
idk about random numbers, but I would say harlans and dooms, based on passed experience, but I'm not up to date
strange python
if sims are close play what u want
but i always like having 1 random proc trinket
dull osprey
I know that Harlans is tasty af so I would say the other two are conditiona;
strange python
id go lust for vendetta windows
dull osprey
I don't have a terrible ilvl, why am I so low under some of the other people I've seen
is my gear just not optimized correctly?
strange python
trash trinkets
dull osprey
fair
strange python
Traits are okay but there are better
dull osprey
Been trying to get a harlans
strange python
Get Fathoms
toxic plover
I was about to say, I fell into the trap of not switching off SS too
dull osprey
I haven't gotten any gear that has double does that isn't 15 ilvls below
Been looking for it since the nerf
strange python
Sharpened Blades, Rezans Fury, Dagger in the back (kinda shitty though)
dull osprey
but I've also not be hardcore farming m+
toxic plover
I mean 8.1 is coming soon. Traits will change. I wouldn't freak out too much
strange python
Change as in what
hollow minnow
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
toxic plover
I am assuming 😛
strange python
There are like only 2 new traits to sin coming
And some of the current ones are going to scale with versa
Which will make them a little bit better
toxic plover
I can't imagine that more PTR builds won't happen, but then again, 8.1 is a month away
dull osprey
@strange python So I should keep my eye out for 370 level DD gear to replace SS/exang build and replace my shite trinkets asap?
strange python
Yes
dull osprey
Thanks for the help! ^_^
frank haven
does anyone have a recomendation for a WA that helps you refresh garrote/rupture on singletarget? on my hunter I used to have a WA that would light up when it was time to use dire frenzy to maximize the uptime. is there something similar for assass ?
vestal stump
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
karmic ingot
With some of the changes made to WA in BFA, it’s incredibly simple to make your own auras for tracking DoT timers too.
prime stirrup
We did it boys!
south breach
why does it make a difference on which dagger I put my crit and my haste enchant?
strange python
how much of a difference is it
crisp gate
congrats @prime stirrup
prime stirrup
Your mainhand is less likely to miss its target, which should mean more procs from enchant. Placing your highest stat weighted enchant on mh is always the right move
lone junco
Dont put the small ilvl in main hand
prime stirrup
I would leave highest ilvl dag on mh. youre wep dps should be something like 10-12 dps per ilvl which is more valuable than the socket
lone junco
385 socket is huge, but 390 is more dmg in main hand.
my 355 socket beats 370 non, for offhand.
which is depressing
prime stirrup
Run a stat weight sim, you will see how valuable wep ilvl is in mh vs oh. Its very large, like 11 dps vs 1.5 ish on off hand
strange python
The difference is literally
3dps
It doesn't matter in which hand u got the enchants
wheat zealot
Yeah the difference could just be chalked up to simulation error
Its exactly the same
strange python
Nah he just did it wrong
south breach
what did I do wrong in my sim?
wheat zealot
I mean the 3 dps difference
prime stirrup
It absolutely could be that @strange python
wheat zealot
Its just sim variance
strange python
Indi
prime stirrup
nothing, all sims have a margin of error
strange python
His difference was 150dps or so
But you know why?
Because he compared his 385socketed offhand to 385 no socket
wheat zealot
strange python
So there is no difference
empty lintel
anyone got a link for some rogue macros i dont feel like making my own
strange python
What macros
empty lintel
specifically for pvp i have all 3 blind macros uh step kick etc
just want to see if theres any im missing
strange python
sure
empty lintel
thanks
pseudo hamlet
Just got 2x Scalpel 370ilvl(normal loot and bonus roll) from the MOTHER after wearing 345 ilvl daggers since we started doing that raid. 😄
strange python
using 355 dagger from zul and 350 from +4 freehold
haughty lily
is there an out of invis opener that is most optimal?
like for fetid i need to open on adds not starting from invis
do i just gar anyway? or just start from vanish?
strange python
that make no sense for me
haughty lily
for fetid you save 2 min cd's until adds. i cant start from invis but i have all my cds up and full energy ussually.
when i go to add phase
ill just find someones logs dw
strange python
@haughty lily Zed says he misses you 😦
strange python
😄
rustic zinc
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harsh sphinx
deadly sim lower for anyone else? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pHZpJ4LMxosZt23KjciPik
spice surge
The difference is 3 dps
Which means that its within the error range (0.05%) so if you run the sim again it can show 3 dps the other way
Anything that close is essentially equal
harsh sphinx
got ya, thx
lone junco
ignore the player error while we are at it. cause that is just depressing.
hollow stone
@haughty lily your opener would only change if youre running subterfuge, otherwise its the same
And yes, you would vanish if youre dpsing the mass
Which would make it the same opener
haughty lily
ight sounds good thanks 😃
topaz notch
my stat weighs rn is Haste
2.02
Agility
1.89
Critical Strike
1.81
how can i sim same dps with crit enchant on rings as with haste enchant if thats my simmed stat weight?
lone junco
Fun fact:
did you know. stat weights are "Additional" stats.
so when you take away Crit enchant and add Haste enchant, that is not using stat weights.
Top gear tool has enchant buttons at the bottom, to swap all from crit to haste.
twilit elk
so when it comes to M+ the goal is to get high crit and mastery, then on trash pulls, im assuming get garrote on 3 targets then rupture on as many while maintaining crimson tempest
delicate crater
do people still run Subterfuge without SS?
fluid drift
yeah i do - MA and subterfuge sim the same for me without SS, so I take subterfuge so I can vanish garrote adds for extra damage (the thought being that subterfuge scales better than MA for multi target)
delicate crater
thats where I am: Subt and MA simming within .01 of each other but it's telling me to use a 375 Poison Wire item over a 370 SS
fluid drift
how much dps diff? might be worth just using SS for better aoe/cleave value
polar cape
The one time I speced MA and none of my envenom crit in the windows I knew I was done with it.
dusty wigeon
idk if this is a question allowed or of relevance but whenis the best time to use Vnedetta on G'huun Mythic?
strange python
You can use on pull too yeah
Pull on the young something
Then when Ghuun comes out
And then when the 2nd beam is activated which brings ghuun to 20%
dusty wigeon
think he'll die too quick if i focuz the young
strange python
Then vendetta on the small worms or something
dusty wigeon
Alright, thanks man
strange python
I usually just sign up to run orbs on ghuun
hidden anchor
anyone here good with logs? i'm a warrior main with some ass rogue questions. would love someone to DM me who is.
strange python
Because I dont like phase 1
pastel vault
@dusty wigeon don't do that
Vendetting the 3rd beam that brings him to 20% is very bad, you need vendetta for lust p3
dusty wigeon
so whats the plan? 😄
pastel vault
On pull, when 2nd beam happens (1st in p2) and in last phase