is there a pandemic WA?
#assassination
warm zinc
celest ruin
dumb question but should i vanish garrote when normal/unempowered garrote reaches 5.4? or wait until it fully expires?
if you refresh a normal garrote at 5.4 sec with an empowered garrote (subterfuge + ss) what happens to the new garrote? will the extra 5.4 seconds be converted to "empowered" damage?
inner pecan
yes it will be
celest ruin
oh nice, ive been doing it wrong all this time
torpid nova
If anyone could tell me how tod o better
I am saving Vanish and Vendetta for the adds. using Boon and Exsang on pull and then saving for small adds
With vanish garrote on small adds for exsang
oak tangle
looking att uptimes, 67% on garrote and 77% on rupture are low
oak tangle
fetid itself is 73% rupture 65% garrote
torpid nova
I am having to move to the back far adds and moving back to middle for big.
torpid nova
Going to try to vanish garrote fetid before the knockback
oak tangle
you can alos position yourself in a spot so as not to get knocked back far
torpid nova
Would it be worth it to waste 5 cb to rupture & garrot Fetid when he is next to the Mass?
inner pecan
it's not a waste
strange python
is ravenholdt up to date?
inner pecan
but if you wipe to not enough dmg on Mass then it's not good
safe matrix
if you post your logs, depending on the time of day people take a look at them
velvet kernel
ok thanks just didnt want to post if ppl were not interested
safe matrix
it really depends whos in the channel at the time
velvet kernel
Yeah makes sense, there might be a few people raiding aswell
not sure with timezones
torpid nova
Damaged increased when I decided to try to keep dots on fetid when adds are up
Mass' are dying quick enough
velvet kernel
But if anyone does not mind helping me out ๐ https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/xVWqBfRYdHwP8h9M/ I'm Nyuro
sharp wren
is there any specific config i should be using when simming? I always seem to have TB come out ahead of exsang by ~.2%....personally I am just a little surprise that 2xSS doesn't come out ahead
velvet kernel
depends on haste as well i guess
sharp wren
true
velvet kernel
but i guess you could link your report
lone junco
do you not have at least 1 archive?
velvet kernel
^^
sharp wren
i do, but i was trying to get an idea for mythic+, ill link that one
velvet kernel
i would use archive on m+
lone junco
ok. the trinkets are not great for M+. are you going for Tyrannical?
velvet kernel
over twist
lone junco
better. im like 16.0 at 366. so there is a bit of room there.
just get like 9 more sockets
oak tangle
swap your enchants around on daggers?
lone junco
neg. doesnt matter the hand.
quick and deadly are good
i use fathoms GC for raid. and GC Dice for m+
oak tangle
kk, you do want to prioritise haste on your gear though, alot of vers there
lone junco
anyway. for the M+ sim, I do 6t40s patcwerk. no raid buffs.
will result in a lot of SS
or ss scent. etc.
lone junco
dice and gc are nice. but the sim might help you there.
aside from the GGG opener. M+ scales with Fok crits
so we stack crit/mastery
lone junco
if trash is not lasting longer than the 20sec ggg opener, then nothing you do really matters ๐ but the longer the packs last, the more crit you will need to ssustain
sharp wren
okay
sharp wren
makes sense...getting that 3rd SS has been a pain in my ass
sharp wren
my only scent is on my shoulders ๐ฆ
pastel wasp
what lvl keys
lone junco
same, but a 340 ss is worth a lot still
pastel wasp
i find scent not that useful given no fortified
lone junco
prob.
pastel wasp
but im only doing 11/12
sharp wren
i havent been pushing keys at all, but i would like too
lone junco
i do low cp ruptures 2+ on the intial pass
sharp wren
would you go as far as saying a 340 SS, is better than either helm I currently use?
pastel wasp
SS so good right now
since not fortified
things die quick
its 30% of my overall damage
sharp wren
makes sense
lone junco
we dont do giga pulls. so 3-5 packs all day
pastel wasp
its cos u noobe
pastel wasp
less painful than sanguine/grevious
velvet kernel
Can one of u look at my log? If u have time please ?
pastel wasp
god i hate sanguine
sharp wren
thank you for the help Noobe/skor
pastel wasp
we did siege 12 sanguine/grevious
and the fkn markman
if you dont run a DK/Monk
HOLYYYYYYYYyyyy
lone junco
good game
pastel wasp
i query the mental health of blizzard employees
civic palm
Seems fine .
civic palm
You get out #off-topic 
pastel wasp
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civic palm
โค
storm nymph
Hey, would anyone happened to have a Garrote WA with pandemic? ๐
civic palm
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
civic palm
I am sure that there are some in there.
oak tangle
civic palm
I am betting 4/5 will O _O"
pastel wasp
that one has no pictures?
oak tangle
^ up there is my own one which changes bar colour for pandemic
pastel wasp
do u have screenshot?
oak tangle
i should 1 sec
strange python
is bloodmallet good trinket list?
vernal sequoia
that feeling when you parse in top 1%
torpid nova
lmao bc melee?
velvet kernel
yeah
torpid nova
Goals
oak tangle
velvet kernel
eh
rose oyster
Probably make you clear trash for Zul then make you sit in prep for Mythrax ๐
oak tangle
vertical bar on the left is deadly poison application
and the pandemic changes based on number of CP for rupture
torpid nova
Only pull we got it that low again. Tried to keep it up. Improvment to say the least
civic palm
O _O
vernal sequoia
anyone use dagger oh for outlaw when offspeccing?
civic palm
sure
vernal sequoia
just got my heroic mh but have my 385 mythic lattice
don't want to use a shitty 350 fist
oak tangle
snake eyes build lol
pastel wasp
dagger works
vernal sequoia
so id just use my lattice
safe matrix
Yep, just depends on the stats
Outlaw doesnt have dagger on the loot tables though so it's more difficult to get one
And a lot of people don't typically cross between outlaw and sub/sin
vernal sequoia
it's just for poffspec options on certain mythic bosses
torpid nova
Yeah melee is cancer honestly
I just don't know how to do more damage with our group. Even on the 3% I would have gotten a 27 parse
pastel wasp
how u managing 7 melee
i mean, youd need RNGesus to be on you favour pretty much
your*
civic palm
Yeah OH proc-chance and weapon DPS has been normalized so so long there are no abilities stopping you from using a dagger in the OH (there are not) you just use whatever is your highest item level (though stats could dictate a different choices if the item levels are close enough).
steep obsidian
of course>
why would you overwrite it?
well refresh it just as it drops if that what you mean
oak tangle
i pandemic refresh it with shadowmeld and vanish, but otherwise let it drop
steep obsidian
err
in the opener you delay vanish for 20 secs and double garotte as it falls to maximise empowered garotte
that is what the apl does
you can check a sim if you dont believe me
but if it means you miss out on a vanish cast it might not be a dps increase in a 5 min sim it is
desert heart
If i have a dot and i pop galecallers will the existing dot benefit from the haste?
steep obsidian
i think its only xsang that snapshots
velvet kernel
@steep obsidian you talking to me?
steep obsidian
i was making a comment to you and the other guy just saying what the apl does
desert heart
What does exsang do? Does it half the dot duration and put all those dps on the remaining one?
velvet kernel
makes them tick faster
fading sequoia
hello i am new to rogue can some1 look at my logs and help me, i was carried by my friends guild in H i am just looking for basics https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/compare/BvFRtpxL4r9ZXGQj/BvFRtpxL4r9ZXGQj#fight=12,12&source=14,15&type=damage-done
thanks you
balmy perch
do spawn of ghuuns on M10s give bolestering when they die?
velvet kernel
nope
balmy perch
thats good
tropic rover
Master Assassin Sims highest for me in single target but I feel like I don't have as good uptime without subterfuge, is anyone running MA successfully in raids or am I just doing something wrong. Traits are 1x DD 2x Archive
My haste is also super low, only 13%
balmy perch
i think generally for raid you want 2 DD and archive dont you
civic palm
Highest item level.
coarse knot
@fading sequoia your garrote should be #1 in damage not melee
tropic rover
375
I should definitely be pulling more, I have a parse to link if someone wouldn't mind taking a look.
vernal sequoia
@coarse knot what case are you talking about?
fading sequoia
how do i fix that i had 99.51% up time.. :S i am so bad lol
tropic rover
It's from G'hunn tonight but it was also the first time I fought the boss so my mechanics weren't on point.
civic palm
If Fetid is fast enough Melee should be crushing.
coarse knot
What is your haste at
balmy perch
ya i had 19k on fetid last night
tropic rover
Only 13%,like sub 800
Have quick nav main hand and everything is enchanted with haste
coarse knot
While inside uldir thatโs insanely low
tropic rover
Yeah, problem is I was hearing for m+ so my crit is my best stat so RA gives me a ton of crit
Gearing *
coarse knot
Iโm not the highest knowledge in m+ but haste wins overall
safe matrix
nah
civic palm
Sarins kill also doesn't have him using Exsanguinate, so Garrote damage is going to be much lower.
coarse knot
Maybe not for pvp
safe matrix
haste isnt that great for m+
unless tyrannical week, but even then you dont need insane amounts
civic palm
10% haste is your target for M+, Critical Strike Chance and Mastery are worth much more.
safe matrix
crit/mastery become so good for AoE, which is most of m+
70-80% of a dungeon is the trash
civic palm
Yeah, even for ~5 targets, very high weighting.
coarse knot
Well shit I use over 1500 haste for m+ and I do atleast 14-15k on every boss
tropic rover
Yeah, I am collecting haste gear but I'm sure I'm doing something mechanically wrong also.
steep obsidian
and you could do better with more crit + mast
coarse knot
True even on trash I do insane dps
civic palm
Though you should be doing that on bosses as your gearing is designed for that.
stark stag
the pain in m+ are the adds
safe matrix
or pulls are tiny
steep obsidian
its not debateable that for multi target haste lose a lot
coarse knot
How much crit should I be aiming for??
civic palm
Infinite.
tropic rover
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/nB8K3DvdY1GzpVfP/#fight=last&source=25
This is my parse from ghuun
safe matrix
well, technically you onlly need 100%, not infinite @civic palm
civic palm
Crit will always scale extremely well as we don't have any traits/talents that would throw us into a soft-cap to devalue Crit.
INFINITE
safe matrix
wait, you did a raid with giggle
coarse knot
I see
tropic rover
And this is Mythrax
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/nB8K3DvdY1GzpVfP/#fight=8&source=25
tropic rover
Yeah, he's awesome. Does he stream or something?
civic palm
Don't let him hear that > _>
safe matrix
I don't believe @supple hearth streams, but it was cool to see you ran with them
tropic rover
Oh shit, I had zero idea he was affiliated
safe matrix
alright, I personally hate looking at g'huun/mythrax but right off the bat you didnt cast TB in your opener on mythrax
ah, you probably got ruin I see
tropic rover
Yeah I did
Also I shouldn't have linked that one, we had a tank die in the second add phase and I got aggro and died
safe matrix
yeah, I was gonna look at it but I hate those two fights
maybe someone else will be kind enough to
tropic rover
No worries dude
I'll get better at it with more attempts I'm sure, just trying to learn since I feel like I underperformed
velvet kernel
ok
On ghuun its like mythrax
you didn't use tb
when you are running tb and ma on ghuun focus the big guy for the opener like on taloc
then dot everything up
@tropic rover
and you only used your cd's once
it seems
stable pine
tbh untill p2 dps is kinda irrelevant lol
tropic rover
Got it, thank you. Yeah I must have missed TB. Yeah I think in one attempt I didn't have vendetta when we lusted so I held onto it which was definitely a mistake in hindsight
No not looking for logs just to improve
velvet kernel
when did you lust?
tropic rover
Second beam I think?
velvet kernel
yeah
you easily could have used cd's when ghuun came out and had for lust
and use cd's on pull
on the dark young
tropic rover
Will do, yeah I didn't touch the dark young.
velvet kernel
its just as ma tb thats what you are better at on pull
but like the other guy said p1 damage does not really matter unless you want a log
tropic rover
Awesome, thank you for the help guys! Much appreciated
supple hearth
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steady wharf
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
edgy latch
exsang just started simming better for me
hold exsang for galecallers or use galecallers on cd?
strange python
anyone here wanna check my logs? i dont really get why im abit low in uldir compared to how i should be at.
proper zealot
Post your logs here in this channel and people will take a look at them. : )
strange python
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ac3Zqw1yAxfKTBHk#fight=1&type=damage-done
this is from last night. im currently using the taloc mythic trinket and a 340 harlan trinket. i also switched to some shoulders with blood rite trait wich gives me haste, instead of the archive one since i simmed slightly higher with the new shoulders.
strange python
still hare
Alright, first you got to make make a few changes on your gear
Even if you have 372, you performance isnโt better cause you have some trash gear
strange python
azerite pieces then or? should i maybe get a second SS trait and an archive for example? downgrade to a 340 piece?
still hare
First you should consider buy a darkmoon fathoms or drop the trinket from lion
Cause overcharged capacitor even the mythic one sucks big time
strange python
yeah, i have a galecaller but its 340
edgy latch
hold exsang for gc or use gc on cd?
still hare
Also you should try to put your hands in some double dose shoulders/armor and the helm from vectis with archive, laser matrix is ok but running with 2 double dose + tb + ma is way better in single target fights like taloc
strange python
yeah, but should i downgrade my gear for it? i dont have any double dose traits, but i do have a second piece with SS but at 340 ilvl
still hare
I guess your shoulder has scent of blood that will be better than a 2nd ss piece
strange python
yeah
strange python
with scent of blood?
still hare
Yep
Also even if your have a 385 ring from wm any 340 should be better, mind that rings no longer give us our primary stats
strange python
yeah, i had one with haste but the new one simmed abit better though
still hare
Did you sim with the correct reorigination array stack ?
strange python
yeah
strange python
i will go trough my gear later when im back home after work and sim stuff and use the better pieces that sim the highest
still hare
Fell free to check my logs, they are not that great but I guess im doing ok with my traits/trinkets and playing with 200 ms
strange python
yeah its alot better then mine:p
mother is ok i guess since we go to the second room straight away, so we have almost 2 min with downtime and no dmg
still hare
and that's it ... you are not making any big mistakes regarding rotation.
edgy latch
i managed to do 95% while being in the 1st group yesterday
20.9k dps
that'd been a great parse if i'd been in last grp..
strange python
so its just my gear? couse i dont seem to be able to sustain and be higher on the meter
and get these low logs
still hare
I've made the mistake to cast Vendetta and Vanish on the second room and both were down during bl
edgy latch
its the best trinket out there unless you titanforge a m+ trink
strange python
yeah, thanks alot for the help:o
copper grail
I know this question are gonna sound desperate or weird but anyone who would like to give a personal guide for assa for raids/dungeons. Got a hard time learning from text or video. Anyway of anyone have the time and will, send me a message and I will be damn thankful!
tulip willow
willow pulsar
west gate
Ey any one here wanna check my logs? i dont really get why im abit low on Mythrax and gehuun compared to how i should be at. I would be very happy if any one could give me some advice's https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/ravencrest/drgirlfriend#difficulty=4
stone quartz
!sims
prisma monolithBOT
BfA Simulations:
Herodamage: https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html
elder cypress
can anyone explain to me how the warcraftlog rating is put together?
quick ice
all-star score, or the percentile ranking?
elder cypress
score per boss i think
dont really have a clue until now about that log thing and cant find a faq on the site
quick ice
like the 99, 75, etc, with the colours?
elder cypress
yea
quick ice
so that number is the percent of logs your DPS is higher than, for your spec and class
for ilvl parse, it takes people within 1 ilvl either side of you only
glacial grotto
Hey gearing up a rogue for zul but currently trying out assassination for regular bosses. Trying to gauge how I'm playing the spec but not sure what I should be looking out for on logs. Currently just checking dot uptime, combo points/energy overcap. Is there anything else in particular I can check like refreshing dots too early with query's or something similar. I notice wowanalyzer isn't supported
twin meadow
depends what build ur playing, if you play exsang you always want pandemic dots when you use exsang
toxic blade you just use on cooldown, with a little bit of pooling before
glacial grotto
Yeah im just using TB at the moment
indigo yacht
Hey i know that haste is our highest stat for singel target, was just wondering if it is worth going for in m+?
quick ice
not great for AOE really
glacial grotto
I suppose I want really pooling beforehand
indigo yacht
yeah i know, but arent you losing to much boss dmg if you arent going for haste ?
since you cant swap gear anymore
quick ice
crit/mastery are still strong
twin meadow
not really, play around your comp when it comes to boss and trash dmg
quick ice
and don't stack to the exclusioon of haste
tame stratus
just got a 385 frenetic cosp - trinkets garbage though right?
twin meadow
normally yes, but i would still sim it
tame stratus
thanks
glacial grotto
I got a 390 one from heroic feels bad having to use it :(
tame stratus
somehow sims 0.3% higher than 365 harlans what the fuck....
hard monolith
World of Sims
harsh glacier
jaunty arrow
is still useful play 2x ss in m+?
elder cypress
@jaunty arrow better get 3
jaunty arrow
i have only 2 on 370 ilvl + now
vast forum
The more ss the better
acoustic latch
Hey guys, I am wondering how to approuch zek voz mythic as a rogue. I currently play assassination, but I am affraid I will lose dps on those small adds. How do you guys deal with this?
acoustic latch
hmm interesting
zinc furnace
Guys donโt throw rocks at me for my question but do you run m+ as outlaw sometimes? Which do u prefer as such?
steep obsidian
ct is kinda pointless on zek imo
zinc furnace
Just got my first slow 370 weapon yesterday. While have 395/385 daggers in sin ๐
steep obsidian
other classes will burst down shit on zul long before you get to do any meanginful damage to them too with ct
warropr dh do so much burst in compariosn
acoustic latch
I guess some people go Outlaw for zek voz mythic
night vale
I played sub for zekvoz mythic :p
short pivot
Idk as sin ( and as lazy to respec) i found ct to be third on my meters on zek small adds, they live more than the 10 sec duration
But yes other classes beat me on meters
Sub with sectec? Or?
night vale
Yeah with sectec, did about 19k dmg overall and didnโt even get a go on the orb! ๐ฆ
Mean raidleader
steep obsidian
depends in comp i guess and whether ads actually get stacked up
night vale
Our adds are stacked and I can usually double sectec them
short pivot
Hmm will give it a go
night vale
Yeah I have logs somewhere itโs pretty nice 1 sec
west gate
Ey any one here wanna check my logs? i dont really get why im abit low on Mythrax and gehuun compared to how i should be at. I would be very happy if any one could give me some advice's https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/ravencrest/drgirlfriend#difficulty=4
acoustic latch
@night vale What is double sectec?
mossy hazel
Secret techniques
solid nova
Nah the example was asked which is fine but if it's going to continue:
night vale
No worries my dude
acoustic latch
oh the sub spell. I thought we were still talking about assassin on that fight
solid nova
acoustic latch
I could give it a go, but I don't like this trait/gold system for respeccing. It sucks
mossy hazel
@west gate Your opener; You do GGRG, that third garrote is wrong.
The first 2 garrotes are empowered ffrom Subterfuge, the 3rd garrote, is not and overwrites your Sub/SS buffed garrote. Huge dps loss
Also, why'd you hold Vendetta so long? Should be part of the opener
Also shouldn't have any Mut/Env in opener before TB. YOu want TB out asap, then use on CD
acoustic latch
@mossy hazel The TB part that you describe is not in the ravenholdt opener part
Is that outdated?
Or am I looking wrong, because I don't have shrouded effect
spice surge
None of the openers has envenom before tb
acoustic latch
Oh yea I am not looking correctly, sorry
makes sence anyway, was about to say ๐
mossy hazel
Np guys let me know if you have any other questions. I'll be around
@west gate Your TB/Env pairings are also pretty poor. Your TB usage seems pretty good, but you miss A LOT of Envs in the TB window
west gate
Having a hard time conserving my energy for that
spice surge
Getting one envenom of is doable without any prior energy
mossy hazel
Yea, there's at least 3 TBs in there with 0 envs
spice surge
and 2 just requires either crits or prior cp
mossy hazel
Yea, TB at 3-4 and you already have an Env ready to go
No reason to ever miss the window entirely
Unless mechanics
chilly hazel
can anyone confirm this still exist. ( Blindside says its 30% hp but it activates on 35% hp) i reported it on Alpha and beta and its still here
west gate
i will try work on that, do you know how much % i could improve if I get my opener and TB window right
?
spice surge
๐คท Idk blindside is just bad
mossy hazel
No idea, Rel
spice surge
Its not even worth using during execute ๐
mossy hazel
But it will probalby be noticable
mossy hazel
I haven't even looked at my own logs yet today..
Not that I want to analyize our 125th wipe on Zek..
wild kindle
could any1 help me and tell me the number of targets that makes fok better than muti? also id like the same with consideration of stacks of double dose.
mossy hazel
4+
wild kindle
thanks
mossy hazel
Jesus fucking christ this monk in my raid group is pissing me off, he's just so bad.
I'm really starting to think he's part of the reason we can't clear Zek..
Who's good at reading the "Problems" part of the logs?
mossy hazel
Looking at zek eye beams; Casts means how many times person was targetted, rigth? And Hits was how many they took without being target>
hot flume
If you go in to the eye beam section you will see people targeted and the one who got hit
Your monk got hit three times
Either he doesn't spread well or it's the other who don't
mossy hazel
Sorry, the "hits" is how many times they got hit obviously, so perfect exectution casts and hits should be same number, right?
hot flume
You are Jecaro ?
mossy hazel
Mhmm
vocal kindle
I found it easier for melee to stay in small groups of 2-3 rather than all spread and the one targeted by the beam stays still and others move
mossy hazel
We can't even get people with beams to stop fucking moving yet...
125 fucking pulls, people are still fucking up eye beams...
vocal kindle
Is it the phase where your having to dance and eye beams come in?
hot flume
If you watch the replay for this pull at 3.04
The first time he got hit
You can see that the rogue jumped into him
mossy hazel
The rogue being me? Or the other rogue?
hot flume
Jecaro
mossy hazel
Damn
hot flume
That's you
mossy hazel
Yup
hot flume
Actually you are doing it wrong
It's the dance phase
With my guild all ppl get spread, we don't even hit the boss
Do the dance with 6 yard range
And go back to the boss, just play it safe
vocal kindle
Have you got the eye beam weak aura?
hot flume
On 5.04 you hit him again
vocal kindle
It helps a little
hot flume
But this time he jumps into you
He rolls like a horse, it hurts
Actually looking on how you act in the fight, you are not spreading well, and in mythic you have less time than heroic to move out. It's not all his fault
mossy hazel
Yea, I just feel like I'm constantly seeing him dead, and I saw he took a shit load of avoidable damage that pull
But I also realized he took a void lash, which might have just been on the wipe call
hot flume
And do your adds die quickly ?
mossy hazel
Thatn's for looking
hot flume
Doesn't seem like it,
mossy hazel
Fairly quickly.
strange python
is triple archive better than double archieve + Scend / SS
mossy hazel
First add goes down real quick. Second one takes a bit, 3rd one goes down faster again
hot flume
The small ones I mean huh
mossy hazel
Oh, no
The small ones are still upas we move to the second weaver
*as we're working on second weaver
hot flume
Hum. Maybe it's a good way to do it but usually with my guild we burn small one
Than move to the second
If there is a dance we keep the third CC, otherwise we kill him fast
mossy hazel
We RoP Between warriors and second add, range is supposed to burn them
Yea, we do that too
wheat zealot
Your dh does like no damage lol
mossy hazel
3rd stays ccd during dance
wheat zealot
He should be at the top
strange python
Yeah lul
twin thorn
Hello guys! ive just started playing the game again and i got a question (that probably has been asnwered before) . Exsang or TB?
hot flume
Actually your team is underperforming
wheat zealot
No
mossy hazel
We've got 2
wheat zealot
They have a havoc
hot flume
No way on earth two sins are first DPS on 22 pulls Zek'voz
strange python
ah there he is
hot flume
It's like our worst fight in uldir
strange python
I usually go Outlaw for ZEk
hot flume
Same, myth zek voz i go OL
strange python
For the melee range and aoe burst
mossy hazel
I've considered it, but adds don't seem to be our problem honestly
hot flume
Just burn these shits down
strange python
You can stand super far away
So you have way more room for melee to DPS without getting eyebeamed
mossy hazel
That's fair I guess
strange python
Also good for ranged blind
hot flume
What you don't get Proto is that less time on small adds mean, big adds die quicker and then get back to boss
strange python
You can blind the Weavers during dance phase if shit goes wrong
I'm usually in the top 3 DPS on those fights
At least until the warriors get orbs
Take killing spree
mossy hazel
We actually usually ahve an OL rogue as well, but he's been on leave for a few weeks
strange python
Cleave off of the void weaver
Open with BtE on blade flurry when adds come then go KS
hot flume
If you are not used to Killing spree don't. It got me in front of the boss twice during void lash. Bad experience ^^
mossy hazel
I'll consider it
strange python
You need to keep that in mind
Blade Flurry isn't as good that fight though
The adds die so fast
mossy hazel
I'm honestly thinking of droppig out of the core group because I just can't keep doing the back to back late night raids and I'm so sick of no progress in 4 weeks
wheat zealot
Frost mage and boomkin are severely underperforming
strange python
Yeah
hot flume
If you let the small ads to range he should be sky high in dmage
mossy hazel
Valk is usually resto, I don't know if she's built well for boom
strange python
Our Frost Mage does disgusting damage on any fight with big cleave
mossy hazel
I don't remember why her and the other resto switched, they were reverse the beginning of the night
hot flume
The WW Monk too..
strange python
How the hell can a Sin rogue be top
mossy hazel
Our frost mage like to nap under deciet
hot flume
Actually they should all be performing like shit and you struggling with dps
strange python
I'm not sure
hot flume
And here it's the other way. You are carrying the group with a heavy single target spec
strange python
But why wouldn't you take Fel Barrage as a DH on Zek?
hot flume
I think he should
strange python
DH isn't even running Fel Barrage LUL
Zek is basically made for Havoc lmfao
You should have Fel Barrage up for most adds I think
hot flume
I didn't go that low in the meter
wheat zealot
Yeah dh on my team is always top
hot flume
Just realized you have a ret pally ??!!
wheat zealot
And youll have barrage up for both spawns
hot flume
Thought he was a healer when I saw his damage
strange python
Frost Mage and DH are top, with me being up there sometimes
hot flume
What the fuck
mossy hazel
He had been holy most of the night
strange python
I'm usually 3 but also 2 and 1 as OL
strange python
The warriors have prio on orbs though so they usually pass us
mossy hazel
There was a lot of swappming around by time we got to this pull
strange python
Bladestorm has perfect uptime too on adds iirc
mossy hazel
We've litreally only seen orbs once
strange python
If you're going to play OL on Zek
You KS on pull as well
It will 95% be up for adds as well if you play well
mossy hazel
Ugh, I don't know if I'm going to have time to actually learn to play it well. I have so little play time outside raid nights right now
strange python
lol
hot flume
Orbs is just about keeping your cool
strange python
OL is eeeez
wheat zealot
Outlaw is the easiest spec imo
strange python
Yeah once you get into orb phase shit is easy
hot flume
Keep calm, no more adds to manage, it's hardcore fight
mossy hazel
Of course, the 1 pull we got to orbs, our fucking tank/RL DCd AS we phased
wheat zealot
Just click buttons fast
hot flume
The frustrating part with OL is getting wrong buffs all fight
hot flume
Last night I rerolled like 2137884 times
sturdy python
You don't get wrong bufs all fight
wheat zealot
And then you wipe
mossy hazel
My only experience with outlaw was getting mage tower skin
hot flume
I roll 5 only on thrash fights ๐ข
wheat zealot
Lul
strange python
Yeah tbh I don't get very tilted by bad rolls any more
I want Snake Eyes
When I get that I'll be even less mad about rerolling
mossy hazel
It's not bad when you get bad rolls, it's just REALLY EXCITING when you get good rolls, right? Lol
hot flume
Had it last night
sturdy python
Outlaw definitely has variance but not like early legion
hot flume
Gonna practice on dummy with it
wheat zealot
Yeah it is what it is, much better than the alternative (snd)
strange python
Outlaw you need a good mindset going into it
sturdy python
Deadshot and Ace> snake
strange python
True
hot flume
Don't have Ace
sturdy python
Snd is actually a dps loss, you're better off not taking any talents lol
hot flume
Maybe one or two deadshot
mossy hazel
I odn't know what I have for ol traits either, got a bag full of bad sin gear
strange python
Yeah
wheat zealot
At least rtb has a fun and engaging feel, snd is just boring and garbage
strange python
tbh
mossy hazel
What are the stats for OL? Crit?
strange python
sometimes 'bad' buffs can be good
hot flume
The downside of OL and Sub is being below sin when it comes to boss uptimes
If you don't hit, no dmg
sturdy python
Crit or vers
strange python
You have more flexibility as OL because you can get CDs back quicker if you need it etc
wheat zealot
The cdr is pretty pog
mossy hazel
I don't even care about boss uptime at this point, I just want to get past Zek. If that means I have to sit in the corner with my thumb up my ass I'll fucking do it
sturdy python
Can't sit on your heels as outlaw though, it's a bit faster than sin
strange python
on our first kill we had to do that Proto
sturdy python
Not much planning ahead though so as long as you have good dexterity
strange python
Yeah Outlaw is very hurt by downtime
mossy hazel
Although I think the idea was to go try someone else next week
strange python
Almost no planning ahead because your CDs are all based on RNG as well haha
old escarp
Prototype I feel your pain. My guild been wiping on zek too but only about half your pulls. I only get beat by our frost DK. Think it's just too many stupid mistakes
strange python
Yeah Frost DK is stupid good on Zek
mossy hazel
I wish our unholy would go frost
strange python
We've had one come on our latest pulls and he just deletes the first add pack
old escarp
What I realize from this conversation is our DH need to dramatically improve
wheat zealot
Yeah he should be at or near top
strange python
I dunno how you can play in a Mythic guild without knowing how to play at least 1 more spec of your class
If you're a rogue you should know all 3
Since they all have a place in Uldir
mossy hazel
Yea, I'm really bad in that. I've never ever played sub
And I haven't tried outlaw at all
strange python
You need to start practicing for Zul if you'll get there
old escarp
I don't think adds are our problem necessarily or I'd mess with OL. It's more just people not dealing with roiling/surging combos well or panicking and deleting each other with eyebeam during surging overlap
strange python
And normal Sub is imo harder than Sin or OL
chilly hazel
can you link videos here?
mossy hazel
I mean if we have all 3 of our rogues around and we go Sub, I think we'll be in a pretty good place
wheat zealot
You can play sub like a mongo and pop everything on cd and still pull like 35kish on zul lol
old escarp
Sub has a lot more buttons to push. Honestly I think mapping smart keybinds is one of the bigger hurdles to playing sub well
strange python
Yeah ofc Indic
wheat zealot
Thats what our alt rogues were doing im pretty sure omegalul
mossy hazel
Oh shit, speaking of keybinds, my new mouse is coming in today! Woo!
strange python
Yeah haha
mossy hazel
No more fail clicking and the mouse sending me into mechanics!
strange python
Shuriken Storm > Eviscerate spam ๐
old escarp
If we get past zek we're so boned for zul. I'm the only rogue and we have 0 alt rogues. Good thing we have 5 hunters /s
strange python
lol
Tell people to level rogues
If you struggle on Zek right now I doubt you'll ever get past Zul without rogue cheese
old escarp
I've pretty much resigned my hopes for CE
strange python
It was so funny watching Method's stream when they were preparing for Zul
old escarp
I'll just stick to M+
strange python
They had longbois up and just emptying the AH of daggers and leather BoE
mossy hazel
yea I mean we got our AoTC last week so I'm pretty happy with where I am right now
strange python
ah
mossy hazel
Only 1 raid night for it, I don't even usually make it to heroic night
Only made g'huun because they did him on an off night
strange python
We had a night dedicated to heroic runs right after Uldir opened so we got it early
old escarp
My guilds only running raid for 6 hours a week. Only so much you can get done.
mossy hazel
I'm actually thinking I'm going to drop out of the second mythic night and maybe be around for the heroic night occasionally now. I'm too old for double raid nights every week with work the next morning
Kicking my ass
strange python
I'm trying to figure out how to push my dps more on Vectis now that we're past the stage where it's particularly difficult
Right now I'm only dropping a low combo point rupture on the add as it spawns and then just mut-mut-env it while keeping the dots on Vectis up
I doubt dropping more dots on it is worth it, even the one that spawns as intermission comes
chilly hazel
this is what am talking about, can anyone confirm? https://youtu.be/1LCkI_Fe0d0
strange python
blindside
spice surge
@chilly hazel Yeah that seems to be the case
spice surge
It could be intended to start working at 35% though and just a tooltip error, but idk
Probably not gonna get any attention until they buff it too relevancy unfortunately
chilly hazel
probably
unkempt karma
spice surge
Follow the regular rupture rules
echo crest
but rupture will not fall or hit 7 sec marc on toxic blade window?
frigid sleet
its a 3cp rupture so its 16sec
echo crest
you probably shouldnt rupture on that window
spice surge
TB lasts 9 seconds and rupture lasts 16
echo crest
ok right thanks
but when tb falls prbably rupture will still have 4sec
so i have 4 sec to get 4/5 cp to rupture agian
i should let empowered garrote allways fall and do a normal garrote after?
not in the pull ofc because there i let it fall and use vanish to do it again
spice surge
Yes let the empowered garrotes fall off
mossy hazel
2-3 standard, maybe more with vend/lust
spice surge
Technically you can fit 4, but you need crits and/or lust for it
2 or 3 is standard, depending on crits
mossy hazel
Oh man, best feeling is lust on pull with MA/TB, easily get 4-5 env on pull
unreal bear
i've noticed i have pretty poor TB usage, so i'm trying to improve it. :/
mossy hazel
G M R M Ve TB M Va E M E M E M E
unreal bear
meme
mossy hazel
I had it happen at least twice last night. Was awesome
But yeat that was 2x out of like 22 pulls
unreal bear
also, is wowanalyzer worth a shit?
vestal wren
it does not support rogue so it only displays overall information
unreal bear
ah, alright.
i use it just to see if i'm missing TB opportunities.
says 80% EP uptime is easy to do
i'm sitting just above 70%
drifting elbow
on what fight?
unreal bear
zek'voz
drifting elbow
well hard to say anything ideal with mechanics that fight has
unreal bear
i just find myself energy starved at times.
running lower haste than i'd like though, so maybe it'll get better.
opaque grotto
80% is probably easy with no movement
crisp hollow
marble hemlock
haste doesnt really solve the energy-starvation issue
marble hemlock
the spec is designed to have limited resources, so it can scale into aoe-situations where it can generate more of them
ep/envenom just arent supposed to have close to permanent uptime
opaque grotto
Yea thereโs no way unless you have constant bleeds on multiple targets
marble hemlock
even in legion, where we had about twice the amount of energy to work with, we didnt get close to 100%, 90% was doable tho on pure ST with high crit
unreal bear
it's mostly the awkward moments where garrote/rupture are fading and i have had TB off CD for a few seconds
marble hemlock
at the end of the day its more about being able to cover certain parts of a fight with high uptimes, and letting them drop a bit when theres not much going on
unreal bear
otherwise, i think i'm pretty comfortable with the spec
marble hemlock
that problem usually solves itself though, since rupture is 24sec base duration, tb is 25sec CD, so once you get to refresh your rupture ~5sec before TB, it usually stays the same for the rest of the encounter
unreal bear
barring anything to disrupt that natural rotation, sure.
old escarp
Seliathan, any guidance on when you want to stop stacking crit and strive for more mastery for M+? Too dependent on team comp to set numbers?
marble hemlock
dont think theres ever really a point where you "this is enough"
unless youre constantly doing 15+ mob pulls and youre always getting 5cp or more from every fok, theres no real "cap" to it imo
hollow stone
5cp per fok the dream. Did you ever figure out if that bug was actually a bug? The one where you sometimes get 1cp from fok even when hitting 6+ mobs? Or just really unlucky?
marble hemlock
i havent done any bigger keys with giga pulls in the last couple of days
unreal bear
doesn't that still happen?
marble hemlock
and its almost impossible to re-create that situation outside of keys
but i still think theres some funny business going on
hollow stone
It technically can still happen with no luck but it seems super uncommon when youre doing big pulls. I noticed a few last week that had me scratching my head too
marble hemlock
next time it happens ill remember to write down the time and check in the vod if it really was all noncrits or some other stuff going on
what bugs me about the occurences i experienced, was the fact that it happens in pulls where i do 20 foks, all of which are 4-5cp, and then i get a single one with 1cp
unreal bear
i'll get 1 CP on Zek'voz when the 6 silithids come out
marble hemlock
that just seems incredibly unlikely
hollow stone
Yea. And it feels real bad lol
hollow stone
Even on multi pack pulls it seems to happen every now n then
marble hemlock
it just takes you out of your rotation, when you just do fok into rupture 7 times, and then suddenly you have 1cp instead of 5
its weird
hollow stone
Right?
marble hemlock
on like 5mobs or so, 1cp foks are still somewhat likely even with 30% crit
quick fog
It makes me want to give up and just Mut spam again.
marble hemlock
but when i have dice+spyglass proc and am sitting at 50% crit inside 15 mobs, the chances for only getting 1cp from fok are just... idk
it happens too often for it to be just basic chance
hollow stone
Btw, i switched up to my spyglass, feels way better. Good advice @marble hemlock
quick fog
I've really enjoyed spyglass.
marble hemlock
spyglass is very nice
quick fog
Makes me feel better about greedy mans Env Mut Env during MA
hollow stone
I still use my fricken taloc trinket for st but spyglass is real nice for m+
whole dew
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > mastery > vers >= haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.
lean jasper
looking for trinket advice as loots 395 dice last night. other 2 choices are 355 fathoms and 370 doom's wake. my thinking is dice for all situations but fathoms for mythics potentially over doom's?
cunning blaze
Would you take doom over en eq ilvl gc?
vast forum
@marble hemlock GCB 375 or 385 pvp trinket (agi stick with vers on use) for m+? what would you wear?
worldly raft
Hey Everyone!
Im trying to find my best setup gearwise, did ALOT of simming but i feel it could be better..
Is there a friendly soul that could help me abit? ๐
vast forum
the pvp trinket lines up with vendetta
marble hemlock
cant say, i dont have the pvp one so i didnt get a chance to test it yet
vers is one of the least important stats though, so my initial thought would be GC
but thats just me feelycrafting
mossy hazel
@worldly raft Did you use raidbots Top Gear?
worldly raft
yes ๐
mossy hazel
I mean that will tell you your best combo
worldly raft
but im getting very diffrent result
acoustic latch
Hmm, I am still debating my talent choices for zek'voz mythic tonight
Some say Tempest, some say not..
strange python
I wouldn't bother honestly...there are classes/specs better to kill the small adds
acoustic latch
I guess with 2 warriors and 2 dh's it's not worth it
strange python
and if that is a real problem in your raid you should play outlaw and get it over with
bright shale
CT is good for it I think
bright shale
But you wont be a top dps on that fight
acoustic latch
I am new to that guild and the only rogue there, but it's my alt so im not that great on it I guess
bright shale
What you wanna do before the adds spawn is full bleed zekvoz. Themln swap warrior. Full bleed into CT
And spam fok envenom
acoustic latch
Ye I could try that out
I will make sure I have books with me to change talents ๐
acoustic latch
Ye I can't, don't have the weapons for it.
strange python
see I just never did any of that, we have 2 DH's, 2 Arms Warriors and 2 Frost mages. The adds blew up instantly so why bother :/
acoustic latch
But we should have the aoe dps
Ye exactly
Was just wondering around to see if I would need to help more
strange python
I mean it IS good but in the end i feel like it wont make any difference
acoustic latch
I killed this boss on a hunter so Im new to the rogue csene
strange python
like if the adds dont die fast enough you going CT over PB wont solve the issue, thats my point ^^
lament dove
if you want better logs, just bleed boss and then CT adds before you rupture the big add
first big add dies fast anyway
we have like 8 rogues in our roster, so our aoe counts as well^^
acoustic latch
oh haha, I wish I had one with me so I could learn faster
opaque grotto
From what Iโve tried on M zekvoz
CT and PB end up being equal dps at the end of the fight
Relatively equal
acoustic latch
Alright, I'll stay PB at first as the adds should die fast and otherwise I can try to help it's required
I guess it's not worth bleeding them up
lament dove
yes, but CT is more burst aoe when it counts, PB is randomly split
opaque grotto
You can fok and tab out some 2-3 CP ruptures if you want
I do it if Iโm not feeling lazy
acoustic latch
Do you spam fan of knives on those small adds and use the combo points in the big add or
opaque grotto
But my guild doesnโt give me an orb at the end for some reason so like Iโm gonna do meh dps anyways
errant mauve
why sub spec for zul fight?
opaque grotto
And yes definitely fok the adds and you can put envenoms into the big add
vast forum
it's like you're a flacid sub rogue if u do that ๐
opaque grotto
Or you can tab ruptures out, itโs up to you
Depends on what your guild needs
Sometimes I actually go sub for zekvoz for fun
You can blow up the big adds
errant mauve
sin spec is fine for zul right? or what am i missing about that fight that is important to swap specs
opaque grotto
You do insane dps to the boss
mossy hazel
At least for Mythic you dn't want to be sin for Zul
acoustic latch
I think our comp has so much aoe already, that I will stay assassin to nuke the targets down that are mandetory
strange python
you can spam shuriken storm for Combo points and spam massive Eviscerates into the boss
mossy hazel
It's just not worth it when Sub is infinately better
errant mauve
so on zul fight i should swap to sub, and just main focus zul while casting shuriken storm to build CPs?
mossy hazel
That's the gist
opaque grotto
Yeah youโll evis every other global
And then press shuriken tornado and evis every global
errant mauve
and i want mastery/haste as main 2 stats or mastery crit for massive hits
errant mauve
azerite traits?
visual token
Heroic you donโt go sub? What changes to make that happen?
hot flume
Can you advice some Rogue PoV for Mythic Uldir pls ?
visual token
Iโve never liked playing sub so I just stick to mut
opaque grotto
In mythic you just tunnel the boss to phase him as quickly as possible
Which sub is insane at considering the amount of adds on the fight
hollow escarp
but that is just a min-maxing strat, it's not like you cant do insane damage (cheese-log wise) as assa
wheat zealot
The goal of a rogue on zul is not to do insane damage thru spread aoe..
If you wont play sub on m zul you should be warming the bench
pearl nebula
Hello, a stupid but simply question ( i didnt see anything on Ravenholdt or Icy Veins ) long time ago i was able to take two Poisions. On each Weapon one. Is this still possible? Or is it possible to take two ? Or is always one posion active?
primal gazelle
lol if youre playing anything but sub on progression zul, you will 10000% be raged at or benched
a sub rogue will do 2-3x more bosss damage than a sin rogue on zul, you gotta come up with a ridiculously good argument to not play sub. "Min-maxing" is picking the best possible traits/stats/talents to increase your dps by maybe 5-15%. We talking 100-200% dmg increases here just by switching specs
lament dove
@pearl nebula 2 poisons, one damaging and one utility. 99% of the time you'll use deadly+crippling
pearl nebula
thanks alot @lament dove
hollow stone
If your guild is dumb and blowing up the crawgs, MAYBE (biiiiiig maybe), sin would be better on m zul. But if your guild is doing that, theres prob bigger problems than your rogue specs
wheat zealot
Well to put it in perspective, the r1 sin parse on m zul (theres only 6 of them) is 36k. The r1 sub rogue parse is 52k
strange python
Sin on zul ๐ฌ
primal gazelle
^ if filtered by boss damage, sub is 40k dps boss, sin is 15k
stable oxide
Go to warcraftlogs and look how many assasination and outlaw parses there are on Mythic Zul.
That should be an answer
5 Assassination and 1 outlaw
primal gazelle
they probably played it for luls
spring chasm
ok @acoustic latch you dont bring sub rogues for aoe damage on zul, you bring them because they do insane prio damage due to crawgs
you dont want to over aoe them
acoustic latch
? I never asked anything about Zul
spring chasm
acoustic latch
that was about zek voz
spring chasm
well
acoustic latch
if you read up, i asked about zek voz
spring chasm
maybe indicate that during a zul discussion
spring chasm
oh well didnt scroll up to much then
wheat zealot
He clearly asked about zek
spring chasm
if you asked
acoustic latch
the zul question was during the zek voz discussion
spring chasm
myb = my bad
wheat zealot
tidal coyote
anyone know a good video to teach me assn for raiding?
i already know outlaw and sub but need to learn assn bc sub sucks
strange python
What do you mean assassin for raiding
tidal coyote
well i mean i found good video but it was geared towards mythic+
just rotation play style etc
strange python
What are you looking for specifically
tidal coyote
im a visual learner ๐ฎ
strange python
I watched this one when I rerolled sin https://youtu.be/86qMy7QWWFE
strange python
Hey guys..... for your opinion what spec will be more powerful at 8.1? assa, outlaw or sub?
primal gazelle
will be based on encounter imo
hollow stone
Sin. Why? Because we're in the sin channel and nobody knows
primal gazelle
cant tell what is best yet until we see mythic encounters
wet prawn
Ass is always strong for new content because it's the least punishing for downtime, same reason BM hunters do great in the first week. After the initial weeks, who knows.
spice surge
Whats best next patch is prob gonna come down to what specc has the best azerite combos
Sub gets a lot of new cool traits but most of them are tuned pretty poorly atm, so we'll have to see
hollow stone
So we'll know 8 weeks after 8.1 when they do all the trait rebalancing
vapid moth
What's na alliance emissary today
strange python
I wonder if they're going to make raid traits
Like for Uldir
With a special buff
hollow stone
I hope not
spice surge
They already have
hollow stone
If its just traits, good
spice surge
Or one raid trait*
hollow stone
Array kinda made sense for t1 of raid
But when we have more stats, it just seems dumb
strange python
But what I said is
Are they going to make a raid trait with a special buff
Like the array for uldir
spice surge
๐คท Dunno, probably
hollow stone
Probably. But i hope not
spice surge
It matters less though