and there is a lot of 2 target fights in uldir
#assassination
inner pecan
glacial mist
so is there any trait that is better than shrouded suffocation for m+?
or is it still the best one possible
proper zealot
Definitely do what sims best for you. @loud kelp
loud kelp
ty guys
inner pecan
@glacial mist still generally the best for m+ at equal ilvl
proper pendant
Is shrouded suffocation simming correctly? Raidbots is saying that using tidal surge and tradewinds are higher dps than 2 shrouded suffocation but I do less on dummies in game using the simmed setup
civic palm
SS isn't good for single target or in raids.
desert whale
It was nerfed into the ground pretty much
It wasnt bad for single target
Was still pretty good
But not anymore.
somber moon
Also unless you're doing a 5 minute dummy test you're gonna get different results
strange python
How would you best sim for a dungeon?
cobalt gyro
you'll get different results anyway, cause the stated amount of a sim is an average over x iterations
stark stag
@strange python 5-6 targets in 40sec
In weeks u can't stack 5 targets, reduce the number
honest needle
is it better to do toxic blade at 4 combo points or usually do it right after a finisher ?
when u use toxic blade u wanna make sure to get 2 envenoms off right after it correect ?
so if i mut till 4 pts and tb comes off cd should i use tb then env
proper zealot
Using it at 3 or 4 Combo Points is ideal, but that's also different during the opener.
loud kelp
regular opener stealth, garrote,multi,rupture,vendetta, vanish, garrote?
honest needle
so dont pool then
proper zealot
Plan ahead and pool just before TB comes off CD. If you start pooling once it comes off CD then you're running the risk of missing a use or two throughout the course of the entire fight.
Pooling's fine, just don't lose a use out of it.
Also, the opener you described is wrong. @loud kelp
It should be as follows:
Garrote > Mutilate to 4+ CP > Rupture > Vendetta > Toxic Blade > Mutilate to 4+ CP > Vanish > Envenom.
proper zealot
Oh. No worries. : )
loud kelp
reset garrote with vanish right?
proper zealot
No.
loud kelp
if i have ss
proper zealot
Oh, wait, are you running Subterfuge or Master Assassin? The opener I described earlier uses Master Assassin, which is why you Vanish into Envenom.
proper zealot
And you have a Shrouded Suffocation trait, too, you said?
unique axle
Is there a way to disable vendetta?
proper zealot
Then yeah, use Vanish to refresh Garrote as you normally would, for the Shrouded Suffocation buff.
@unique axle No, because Vendetta is a debuff that you apply to the enemy target.
unique axle
I mean in Sims. Its still a cast which should have an own line in code, i guess?
proper zealot
Oh, I'm sure there is, yes. I don't know off-hand, though. I don't mess around with APLs much, I just know how to read them.
honest needle
i really hate how sims want me to use sharpened blade trait
it really sucks
i dislike it
i wish i could use archive over it
patent eagle
Hey guys, assassination is the easiest spec for rogue ? because i'm very bad with classes who have energy, everytime i try to play my new 120 rogue i lack energy ๐
so i don't do any dps
raven mica
How many GCDs can you fit into MA? 3?
raven mica
So it doesnt particularly matter how many combo points you have going into it because you're always gonna do 2x mut 1x envenom?
or go in with 5 CP and like: go env>mut>env
proper zealot
Well from your opener you're obviously going for Garrote > Mutilate (hopefully to 4+ CP) > Rupture.
With Vanish you'll use it (Vanish) right before Envenom, to hopefully end up going Envenom > Mutilate > Envenom. Need to get lucky with the Mutilate, though.
raven mica
It's weird not giving a shit about the envenom buff or EP uptime but I'll roll with it.
proper zealot
What do you mean?
raven mica
I've been super used to always making sure to space out finishers for EP and envenom uptime and not used to doing 2 envenoms back to back
proper zealot
It's not a guarantee that you'll be able to, because that Mutilate has to critically hit, but yeah, you'll be refreshing Elaborate Planning and Envenom earlier than you normally would.
raven mica
well 74% crit chance: uhhh so do I envenom with 3 CP in the shoulders window?
proper zealot
I don't think that you would Envenom before 4+ CP with the Master Assassin buff.
The guide on Ravenholdt says to still Mutilate to 4+ CP, even with Master Assassin.
proper zealot
Yeah, I dunno. I just looked at the APL and it goes:
Vendetta > Vanish > Toxic Blade > Mutilate > Envenom.
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
And, for what it's worth, the APL sometimes uses Toxic Blade at 5 Combo Points. That's another question that comes up a lot.
daring imp
you gotta check the ones after that
'cuz i think the tb logic is to use it on tb asap
proper zealot
The only condition TB looks for is whether or not Rupture is ticking on the target.
Ew, that's tiny.
But yeah, it doesn't look at Combo Points or Energy or anything. It just looks to see that Rupture's on the target.
haughty flame
any1 got a nice rotation without SS
using this atm but not sure if theres any other rotations
proper zealot
That one's fine.
civic palm
Those are the same as the guide so either option works. ๐
proper zealot
Nice work on that, by the way. First time I've ever seen that Goggle doc.
civic palm
๐
half tartan
Is 3 Shrouded Suffocation still generally better then archives/other T1 traits for m+
Ilvl difference from SS would be a max of 15 on 2 pieces
lost prawn
For assassination, Ravenholdt says ST is haste > Crit > Mast but MT is Crit/Mast/Vers. I assume I should go for Ilvl over anything but should I focus more on the ST stat priority?
lost prawn
yeah, i'm still leveling. I was looking at picking up plundered weapons to help me when I got to 120 and there's abunch of different dagger stats available. Can't really sim at level 115
chilly marsh
anyone know how to make a m+ simulation ?
abstract raven
I do 5 targets for one minute
visual wren
5 targets 1 min or 40 seconds aye
chilly marsh
patchwerk?
velvet kernel
Anyone else feel nerfed?
visual wren
@chilly marsh yes i normally take patchwerk, however, it might be better to sim for a little bit more movement as that is normally the case in M+. Patchwerk should however give you a good enough indication.
velvet kernel
well its fortified
chilly marsh
dont know if really worth it
velvet kernel
and ct is just better overall
chilly marsh
what rotation you use with CT ?
4 garrote > rupture > fok > CT > fok > rupture?
our just fok CT ?
harsh sphinx
something like g-g-g-CT fok-r-fok-r but ya situational
velvet kernel
and depending on how lucky you are ๐
So the replace gem thing is just bugged for me or all?
on raidbots
strange python
guys is good to keep CT and EXSA for bleed damage? i mean for single and multi target
i'm very noob with rogue sry for my question T.T
strange python
exsanguinate for burst bleed damage
velvet kernel
what do you mean keep it tho?
strange python
poisons+rupture+garrote+ct and then use exsanguinate for a 100% faster bleed damage with all of that
i mean this
velvet kernel
yeah
strange python
for this i thoug was a good option for single target T.T
strange python
ok thanks โค
strange python
ok ok
fallen sandal
Ct is always better in M+
light rampart
Why 3 garrote and not 4?
fallen sandal
except for KR
spring chasm
the value you get from CT on trash is >>>>> then you get from PB on bosses
Temple should be the only one where you play PB because its pretty ST heavy
stone quartz
!sims
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nimble oracle
The legion mage tower one?
stark stag
@fierce plank if u r taking about this one, sadly u can't get it now
fierce plank
bad news for me ๐ฆ
unreal notch
do multiple sharpened blades traits stack?
fierce plank
I will run with blue ๐ฆ
hoary moon
hey guys just wondering, is the garrote bug fixed yet?
crisp steppe
it is
hoary moon
heeeectic
unborn barn
@unreal notch Yes they should stack, at least they used to
pearl meteor
They do
light rampart
Guys. Why do we garrote 3 times and not 4 on mythic+ pulls
stable quail
Hey, I'm watching Musclebrah on Twitch right now, and on his rotation tracker it sometimes shows envenom twice in a row, does anyone know what's up with that?
oblique pendant
stable quail
Okay ty, I was wondering if maybe it was a rotational bug like double ice lance/coil but apparently not, tnx for the answer ๐
past elbow
Is ravenholdt rotation guide still up to date? Given that shroaded suffication got nerfed?
strange python
yes
torn hornet
It got nerfed again?
winter fog
It did not
opaque grotto
@light rampart because the 4th garrote wouldnโt be empowered so it would be a waste of combo points
So you want to garrote 3 times, use a finisher, then garrote again
light rampart
Thanks!
pliant nest
hi, at how many mobs do i start using FoK in m+?
tacit wedge
pliant nest
hm ok but at 2 targets i get combo points slower than with mutilate
is it still worth it because of extra poison damage?
pliant nest
ah that makes sense thank you
remote oak
Mutilate does such mongo damage. FoK lost a lot of kick when PK was taken out ๐ฉ
pliant nest
is there a way to sim for m+ fights? ive been trying patchwork with 5 bosses
to be specific, i want some idea of my stat weights for trash fights
spice surge
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > mastery > vers >= haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.
slate bear
hey guys, when do u using your galecallers boom while bursting?
pliant nest
yea i heard that crit > mastery is good, but id like to sim it for myself
slate bear
combo with exsg or vendetta?
mental fiber
it will be used with both when possible, but usually with exsang
I'll typically delay the 2nd exsang for gc to come back up
slate bear
ty
summer marten
Well poop... this explains why my damage was too low. If you have garrote + trinket on macro and use it from stealth, subterfuge doesnt even trigger, so only first garrote is empowered. If you use two on boss for pandemic, it rewrites it with crappy one...
strange python
Delaying vendetta ๐ฌ
noble ingot
shard of azzinoth #1 xmog all time
willow cypress
@fierce plank you can still get the red blades if you have the original ones. I had them in my bag and did the dungeons solo on normal and unlocked the appearance last week.
desert vault
Just have to remember to use gcb manually between vendettas
I tend to forget from time to time on heavy progression fights or when we get to a new point in a fight when I'm sweating mechanics
summer marten
i use doom's wake, its 2min anyway, so guess i wont just have it on every ability anymore ๐
desert vault
I wish I had that trinket. Its only from the waterfront boss right? Alliance has control now so cant try for it until next week I think.
summer marten
Yea, i got it on first WB kill ๐
desert vault
I got extra deals so will roll on it when it comes back up.
I've got a 395 gcb though
summer marten
Damn, cant get better than that for exsang ๐
summer marten
Can 400 even drop? I havent seen 400 ilvl item on anyone
i know its supposed to be limit, but never seen anyone
desert vault
Yeah. I still run TB though. Still barely any difference and I just dont loke exsang yet
strange python
everyone says 400 but i havent seen proof
summer marten
yea, i even went to wowprogress, listed by ilvl and went through pages and pages trying to see if anyone has 400... didnt find anyone
desert vault
I wanted a good TF on the first mate trinket that was up on WQ for alliance yesterday, no luck though.
I need more crit, never get any mut crits.
summer marten
i have fathoms, doom's wake and 370 dice, so im satisfied with my selection, for now at least
strange python
395 is cap
stark stag
What's the average dps for 360 - 365 ilvl ?
strange python
depends on traits
cant really say
it might be 15k
might be 17k with lucky traits
cobalt gyro
could be even less with poor stats
strange python
16k at most id say
strange python
yeah i sim 17.4 at 377
but my sim dps went up by like 500 when i got a good trait :lul
fallen sandal
yeah good traits and good main hand are mostly the best upgrade
dull compass
heyho, used to play sub, now recently switched to sin mainly for my guild. In m+, streamers I watched stopped to frequently apply garrote when pulling huge groups, do you guys know where the threshhold is when to spam fok->CT->fok->rupture and when to apply garrote whenever it is available+there is a mob that will live the entire duration and doesnt have the debuff
fallen sandal
considering you have 1SS or + and you run sub ex ct build
you garrote 3x et rupture 3x
then you fok at 3+ and you CT instead of envenom
you refresh rupture and garrote on ennemies
dull compass
sorry yeah 1ss and said build. This is what I read on ravenholdt, but recently like I said people like musclebrah didnt really apply garrote when pulling big groups, instead ggg ct fok rup and from there on spamming CT and ruptures, not really applying garrote all that much.
fallen sandal
well i'm not musclebrah and you should have answered him why he does that (bc he answers) but i wouldt apply garrote
for energy regen at least
dull compass
because I guess the dps value of rupture is higher, and within the gcd you can do more damage doing another fok ct than if you had garroted an enemy
fallen sandal
i wouldnt not apply garrote*
dull compass
yeah of course, not just him, its just something I noticed that people do
fair enough, thanks for your input
fallen sandal
well it depends on the lives of the ennemies too
i guess on pack of 8+ with low hp like 120k i would only fok ct
dull compass
yeah, but when there are like 5 mobs, is there perhaps more value in applying another rupture on a mob that doesnt have it than applying garrote ?
fallen sandal
i dont know i'm not a pro M+ player
frosty violet
If you math it out, you want to compare the Damage per Execute (DPE) of the two skills to understand when and why to use one over the other.
Garrote does 108% of AP over 18 seconds and generates 1 CP (Ignoring Subterfuge)
Fan of Knives does 20.5% of AP instantly to all targets and generates 1+ CP (depending on crits).
In other words, one Garrote does about as much as a 5-target Fan of Knives assuming they live 18 seconds, but generates slightly less combo points and doesn't apply poisons.
So I would only really bother with normal Garrotes on 4 or less targets, but do keep up at least 1 or 2 for Venomous Wounds
Subterfuge is a different story though, especially with SS.
fallen sandal
there you have the answer in math
dull compass
awesome, thank you
"but do keep up at least 1 or 2 for Venomous Wounds" but that passive afaik also works with rupture ?
frosty violet
Yep, works with both. In other words, if I have up Garrote and Rupture on one target, I get energy from both dots, not just one.
dull compass
Really appreciate you explanations, thank you
molten crow
How much of a dps loss is Master Poisoner compared to Elaborate Planning? Im having trouble making use of EP and I feel like MP could be a better pick. Is it a viable choice?
strange python
Sim it
fallen sandal
wel you dont anything to do really
more you have haste more you 'll caste finisher
but if EP sims higher just use it
there's nothing tricky to do
frosty violet
You probably won't get 100% uptime on Elaborate Planning unless you're in heavy AoE. The best thing you can do to use it efficiently is spread out finishers a tiny bit more to get the most of every second of it.
strange python
thats right
ornate mantle
aight thanks
dark crag
What do we do on sanguin necrotic week?
fallen sandal
i guess it wont happen
drifting elbow
slow poisons shouldnt be problem if tank is moving in time tho 
pool starts off as small then gets larger
๐คท
drifting elbow
well cuz there is still need for kitings?
hollow cloud
I mean depends on key level
I'd assume if he asked hes not going +15 keys so you can just facetank
drifting elbow
well my mobs this weeks get healed regardless of my poisons cuz pugs are being idiot with pools
hollow cloud
drifting elbow
๐คท
mortal burrow
Hey, I was wondering if shrouded suffocation is still bugged?
hollow cloud
irrc it was fixed
mortal burrow
good stuff
gusty yoke
Do you guys just play sin for m+ or also sometimes play sub?
dapper moat
Full sin
frosty violet
Anyone that betrays their identity for individual encounters or dungeons isn't a real sin.
ornate mantle
full sin here aswell
spice surge
@frosty violet One might say such a player is a sinner
gusty yoke
ah i just asked cause i saw speedoflife switch between sin and sub so was wondering if more people do that
strange python
He pushes high level keys
fierce plank
@willow cypress ty, will try
strange python
There are certain dungeons where sub will be better than sin
What do you guys think? Emblem of zandalar or First Mate's Spyglass? both titanforgerd 345
sim it
paper bough
is top gear on raidbots reliable?
paper bough
im just at a loss with all this 370 azerite gear with AWFUL traits
vs my 340/355 shrouded stuff for m+
lone junco
and always look at the % change in the summary list. there are often solutions that are within 0.1% of your totatl
M+ testing is wonky
paper bough
also ive got 385 deadeye spyglass, 380 lustrous plumage, 365 harlans, and fathoms
wise mortar
Probably a dumb question, but I'm just now looking to try some sin rogue, do you still need to stack the garrote trait for raids, or is it not worth it since the nerfs?
paper bough
and somehow fathoms is better than all of them
but deadeye
and that seems off to me
lone junco
fathoms is not good in aoe. what fight sim are you using?
paper bough
hectic add cleave
lone junco
I would guess Spyglass + harlans. but idk.
try 6t 40s. patchwerk turn off raid buffs
ss requires the mobs to be available at pull, not in waves.
personally I use 2ss 1 scent rn.
my 3rd ss is still 340
paper bough
i have 370 thunderous blast, 370 poisoned wire
vs my 355/340 ss stuff
so it just feels awful to use despite 30 i lvls of agi
lone junco
yeah. well pw is neat. Im not sure the apl is setup for it.
basically you would only fok for poison uptimes.
g m r / m fok r / g m r.
etc
stagger garrotes with double mut.
while tabbing out ruptures.
but it doesnt really have synergy with the ss traits. so idk
hard cove
im guessing i should be trying to get SS traits for m+ still ?
coz im doing alot of keys with decent results if trash lives long enough for me to get some decent bleeds rolling but sometimes i fall short feel like it might be my lack of SS traits
lime cypress
I can't imagine playing mythic+ without SS to be honest
loud kelp
@honest needle sharp blades really sucks
frosty violet
You should get at least one SS trait, even at lower ilvl
wise mortar
What about raids?
loud kelp
i think the best for raids its double dose
wise mortar
I don't do sin in m+, but wasn't sure how bad I was gimping myself using it without traits if I want to in raids
austere scarab
385 chest without SS vs. 340 chest with SS
sometimes I feel like it's worth to just go SS and Sub
I don't even know how you pack open with master assassin
usually I just garrote / fan / rupture / fan / fan rupture as I go
austere scarab
heard, I'll do that then
floral frost
What are the best pvp traits for 'sin?
primal sigil
mp-sub-vig/mfd-cd/elu-ib-tb-pb (vig/cd) works bests for me personally
with tht i use 2 x dd and 1 ss
do 1 dd 1 bfc 1 ss
thts op too again just in my exp
candid mica
pikaboo runs 2 scent of bloods and 1 ss trait
primal sigil
sob works in 3s though
im talking for jsut world/bgs/2s with mainly jsut 1 rupture target personally i feel sob doesnt do tht much
compact void
Which talents should i take for rbg guys ?
gusty ice
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
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https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
tall grail
What enchants should i use on my weapons?
ionic charm
Haste and crit/mastery depending on what sims higher
glacial cloud
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > mastery > vers >= haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.
mellow cypress
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
ruby pelican
370 archive or 385 blightborne for >8 mythic+ keys? Running 3x SS currently
Or should I keep my 340 SS hmm
inner pecan
385 blightborne
it's a really good trait for both ST and AOE
I doubt any 370 trait at all would outperform a 385 blightborne
ruby pelican
Yeah thatโs what I thought but itโs seems like itโs only up 20-25% of the time in a m+ run
Even though my SS piece is only 340 I get the damage bonus every pull
lusty spindle
For big aoe whats the rotation like, do you spend cp on ct or do you multidot with rupture/garrotte, or is it different?
tacit cedar
Is 3x ss traits still good in m+?
wheat zealot
385 bb for sure @ruby pelican
strange python
@lusty spindle Check pins and watch video
strong dome
anybody can link me MA opener real quick?
safe matrix
!guide
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/
strong dome
its not in the guide
safe matrix
Garrote
Mutilate
Rupture
Vendetta
Toxic Blade
Mutilate till 4+ combo points
Vanish
Envenom
Mutilate till 4+ combo points
Envenom
strong dome
nvm im just blind af
safe matrix
-from the guide
simple flax
hey guys just got to 120 today and trying to gear up fast, is darkmoon squalls worth it for 45k over my 223 trinket
strange python
squalls?
simple flax
or any of them for that matter
simple flax
oh yeah my b that's what I meant
strange python
especially if u just hit 120
simple flax
cool, thanks, about to hit 330 already
my main's an afflock and I really enjoy assassination so far
strange python
When does exsanguinate become better for ST in regards to my stats?
or is toxic blade/exsanguinate ALWAYS going to be right next to each other in sims? im 368 ilvl and they sim 10dps aparty (exsanguinate is higher)
civic forge
whats the reason assassin is so good on vectis mythic?
drifting elbow
exsan and TB doesnt make any big difference in raids
ionic charm
They depend on traits (whether or not you use ss), and haste, especially if you have a galecallers where you can have a large haste buff for your exs snapshot @strange python
ionic charm
Plus TB lines up with every add
strange python
= more mutis and envenoms
civic forge
guess the fight has an add up a lot then?
strange python
every 30 seconds or so
civic forge
gotcha
ionic charm
In mythic, adds will be up roughly 30-40% of the time. Itโs very convenient
strange python
@ionic charm is there somewhere i can see how haste exactly helps bleed snapshots?
ionic charm
@strange python what do you mean? Since haste changes, bleeds deal damage faster, giving more energy back, and doing more damage. Exsang snapshots haste, so if you can have on use haste buffs (lust, berserking racial, galecallers) you can get extra usefulness from them. As for actually showing you the explicit increase, sim with and without haste buffs, I guess?
safe matrix
so basically how exsang snapshots bleeds
safe matrix
is that it takes your current haste rating to see how fast your exsanged bleeds for the entire duration should tick
strange python
so haste will basically created more ticks of damage between the total length?
strange python
yeah
last parrot
drifting elbow
well there is nothing wrong with TB
i dont really notice big difference overall in dungeon run other than prio guys die faster with exsan
glacial cloud
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https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
strange python
yes
gloomy mason
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vgsp1BzS8aBwqMqskF4k3d
feels good, 17k club
drifting elbow
u mean BOSS can be affected by less heal debuff?
strange python
How you guys enchanting your weaps?
subtle tundra
yes
subtle tundra
well im not even gonna try cause i like my dps
drifting elbow
well certainly never got less heals being succesful on boss
topaz gulch
Anyone playing MA!? not quite sure how I feel about it even though it sims a bit higher for me
drifting elbow
but maybe bfa is different
how about trying it on dummy
guide has rotation for it
topaz gulch
I did, results were meh. But the dummy in boralus is shit. Guess I'll do it in order hall when I get back
drifting elbow
''results''
u mean how vanish basically reset ur test
i mean in gameplay sense
not numbers
topaz gulch
No I keep overall and current going in separate windows so it doesn't reset
Numbers and feel were just off because that target dummy is sketchy
drifting elbow
what kind of dummy u have been testing on where its ''sketchy''
boralus one is like one of the best ST dummies
topaz gulch
Lol idk of its just me but whenever I use the one in boralus, it's like the dummy is lagging. Globals are slower finishers seem to have a delay
topaz gulch
Your explanations are so helpful. All I'm saying is I never hsve issues in any other area with a dummy
drifting elbow
personally i havent had any problems with boralus dummy testing
topaz gulch
Just there for some reason, not sure why
subtle tundra
i'd also be in the 17k sim club if i wanted to not play with SS on st but in giving up 400 dps for a smooth burst
and also i have only 1 socket
cold dragon
No mention of maximizing EP or Envenom uptime or TB window on ravenholdt. Is it really unimportant?
So far I only have been keeping EP up as much as possible letting other one expire right be b4 finishing again. Maybe I should Env right b4 expiration not after...
Feels weird that env is 6 sec and EP is 4.
subtle tundra
envenom isnt as important
ornate mantle
im sorry but whats EP
cold dragon
Elaborate Planning
ornate mantle
ok thanks
muted wagon
Under the ravenholdt guide it says to "Vanish paired up with vendetta". Does that mean we hold 2nd Vendetta to empower Garrote with Vanish, or simply play it out like in the opener?
subtle tundra
hold vanish
and when it comes up
pool some energy
vanish garotte envenom/rupture garotte vendetta
muted wagon
But doing a standard opener, you use vendetta before vanish. So if you are holding anything, it's your vendetta, as it comes off cd first. And the guide says "Vanish paired up with vendetta", so I wondered if you use your CD's as they come up, as in opener - vendetta, exang/tb etc, followed by a vanish garrote. Or if you hold 2nd vendetta until vanish is ready, empowered garrote into vendetta.
tardy anchor
Hi, question. https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-gear-guide#gear-uldir says Best in slot for me for example Feet is feet with Haste and Versatility, yet Ravenholdt assa guide says my prio should be Haste Critical. Can anyone help me understand this, so I know where should I spend my Bonus rolls?
frosty violet
Pretty sure there's no easy-to-get haste/crit boots at high ilvl
safe matrix
which stats are most effective for YOUR character depends on what traits/talents/gear you have
the stats you want aren't going to be the stats my character want probably
the most effective way to see which stats you want is to sim your character, I have a quick write up on how to sim in #bot-spam 's pins
strange python
better exsanguinate or toxic blade for single target?
dark crag
desert karma
Hey guys, how does one sim azerite traits for azerite power weights addon?
tardy anchor
ok thx. I simmed myself, but dont rly know how to determine what stat is better
@safe matrix
safe matrix
so when you sim your stat weights you should get something that says how much damage you get per point of that stat
so you want to get the stats that give you more dps
smoky lantern
what stat % are we looking for in high m+ keys?
rocky notch
running no haste is pretty bad for dungeons that have single target bosses especially on tyrannical week
outside of lust/exsang you just stand around
pliant nest
so do you actually delay exsanguinate for galecaller's?
lone junco
depends.
@pliant nest you can run a sim and read the apl, you should see some sync in the beginning prior to the 2:30 alignment.
but it really depends on fight length, and vunlerable phase alignments.
pliant nest
alright thanks
main monolith
hi guys what is the best ?? ring of mytrax M 385 / loyalties 370+soket ๐ฎ
supple compass
why might WA be telling me that an import is disabled
strange python
@main monolith Sim it ๐ฎ
ornate comet
What 100 talent do you run for m+? Just poison bomb or the others?
ornate comet
Depending on dungeon and affix?
rocky notch
yeah
sturdy python
Pb St of course, CT is for aoe mobs that will love long enough
safe matrix
CT is better for most of m+
little burrow
I run PB cause CT just feels bad to me, dunno I dont like it it that much
rocky notch
it kind of is underwhelming
rocky notch
i'd say AD too
safe matrix
Feels<<results
ornate comet
How do you just use it then? Just rupture on all and then spam that and fan of knives? Or do you still wanna rupture most
sturdy python
Really? CT and exsang are the two things I like most about sin
safe matrix
There's a mythic plus sin guide in the pins
rocky notch
ggg r exang fok fok ct at 4+
safe matrix
Should answer most of your questions
strange python
@rocky notch wrong loool
safe matrix
But if you have follow ups feel free to ask them in here^^
little burrow
dunno what it is about CT but I feel like id rather just spend my points on ruptures on the long live packs than have another dot. then FoK and spam envenoms into prio targets.. but that is just me /shrug
maiden siren
more raptures = more energy = more dmg. You want to rapture all targets before you cast CT
rocky notch
idk why you think i'm wrong
steel abyss
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strange python
@rocky notch because u apply one more garrote before fok spam
rocky notch
depends on if you play on vanishing right after fok fok ct
rocky notch
if it is exactly 4 yea that's fine
strange python
And u dont CT at 3 targets if they dont have all bleeds applied
pliant nest
the guide says to use vanish with vendetta. does that mean we should delay the 2nd vendetta to line up with vanish?
grim blade
yes
stiff willow
Is there a certain time to use bomb vs tempest in m+? or is tempest the current now?
inner pecan
but when you exsg it takes a snapshot of your haste at the cast time and applies it to the whole duration
strange python
yup
inner pecan
So you want to stack haste increases before Exsg cast, not after
strange python
Ye
pliant nest
ok thanks for the explanation
inner pecan
this means if you pop galecaller's after Exsg it does absolutely nothing for your garrote/rupture
it will only affect melees and energy regen
dark crag
Sounds like a bug
strange python
???
inner pecan
but if you pop it before you will benefit more than 10s from it
so you play around this to your advantage ๐
dark crag
That also means enchant procs do nothing while exsang is running
inner pecan
only haste enchant
strange python
yeah
inner pecan
and you could say the opposite, you could Exsg with 0.1s left on the 600haste proc and benefit from it for full dot duration
dark crag
In the end it's dumb
strange python
why?
dark crag
All these years making dots dynamic
strange python
yeah so
dark crag
Proc max haste, 1 sec gc, 1 sec kr, press exsang and gg
west slate
Is 340 shoulders with SS better than 385 with DD for M+ on fortified weeks?
velvet kernel
i would say the ss shoulders would be better for every week
iron prism
Iโd probably keep the 385 de
Hard to say without simming but... as much as one stack ss is mandatory Iโm not sure how critical 3 stacks is especially vs a decent trait like DD
stiff willow
What is the general rule for vanish, vendetta and exsang? Wait for each other or on cd?
stiff willow
So only use Exsang twice in the meantime and then wait for them all to line up?
dapper moat
is it weird that with spamming of CT it seems to do way more dps than cast once then some ruptures and then CT when time left like 2 sec?
lone junco
Ct has a hit value. If you dump them without ruptures you will oom.
Depending on pack duration. Once you have 4g and 4r you have pretty much capped E. so you can dump env or Ct.
@stiff willow you can either read the apl after a sim, or check a specific fight log with a certain time. You will see people adjust to the fight timings. (Fetid)
stiff willow
Sounds good, thanks
lone junco
You need to read the guide well enough to understand what you are looking at, but high performance logs are doing some good work around the boss mechanics.
lucid bolt
Yo anyone here doing a ghuun heroic tonight ?
languid goblet
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > mastery > vers >= haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.
languid goblet
What settings do you guys usualy use for simming m+ settings?
sturdy python
Patchwerk 4-6 bosses over 40s-1m without lust or array stacks
Can adjust it if your group pulls bigger, smaller w/e
but note that if you run archive it wont be at 20 stacks on pull like an actual M+ would
thorny shore
Guys, on tyranical weeks, its worth it going full crit/mast or need some haste tho
pulsar goblet
brave garden
Quick question guys, I religiously run Poison Bomb. But have been contemplating the use of CT (Primarily for M+ content). Is CT just a finisher spam, or do you refresh it like you would Rupture etc, with an Envenom as your finisher spam?
drifting elbow
u just dot up with CT and resume usual priority of skill rotation
its usually garroting and rupturing refresh on trash packs
desert vault
Damn no trinket from doom howl. Boo.
brave garden
@drifting elbow sounds easy enough, thanks mate
arctic lake
If you do a search in discord of "m+ in:#assassination" most of your questions will be answered. If you're a visual learner I suggest watching Seliathan/Incarnated on Twitch.
brave garden
@arctic lake I'll do both of those recommendations, thank you. Not really familiar with public discords, so learning as I go ๐ Thanks
drifting elbow
good luck reading TONS of stuff with search in channel
brave garden
Awesome, you never stop learning
arctic lake
Definitely reccomend watching Seliathan, you will also learn a lot of m+ strats that you wouldnt know about
And the search feature on any public discord is your bff. Prevents 
brave garden
lol true, alright going to look Sel up now. I've been watching a lot of Infexious, but another can never hurt
sturdy python
Theres aM+ guide in pins for sin
lofty sand
there are so many good m+ rogues out there
youtube is filled with videos of people doing them as assassination
safe matrix
if people ask for streamer suggestions you can always dm them
supple hearth
Technically if someone asks for it you can link it too. Preferred to put it in <> to provide the link and hide the thumbnail
arctic lake
TIL. Thank you shadowblades. :>
On this topic, and to touch it briefly before I get asked to go to general with it, why isn't there an "approved" channel/pin of high ranking sin rogues that just shows like pinned YT and twitch channels? I feel like it would help answer a lot of the questions if people could actually see the rotation and mechanics.
safe matrix
its something in the pipelines
arctic lake
thanks for the reply @safe matrix
grim wolf
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rugged jetty
anyone good at reading logs able to take a look and see what i did wrong on mythic vec/zek
steel abyss
i'm stay sin for heroic zul, should i be going PB or CT
final gazelle
I have tried to find this answer but can't. Are you better off refreshing your rupture/garrotte ticks before pandemic effect if you are going to cast exsanguinate or are you always better off letting them expire/pandemic first?
safe matrix
refresh before exsang, preferably with pandemic
let the exsanged bleeds tick out to completion, dont refresh those ones early
final gazelle
thanks for that info, i was wondering about that too
nimble tartan
flawless is a nice good sin streamer ๐
solar rose
thank you @nimble tartan
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@nimble tartan I'm not a sin only streamer cmonBruh I'm whatever gets the keys done kinda streamer
nimble tartan
my apologies
thorny shore
explosive next week, prob sub will be better than sin?
solar rose
heavily varies on dungeon and group comp
wild gyro
What prompts you to play between sub and Sin @solar rose ?
crisp hollow
affixes requiring priority damage
or dungeons with pulls that benefit it
like keeping a bunch of weak adds alive in shrine to nuke 2nd boss
cobalt gyro
A good example of that is waycrest as well
Almost all the bosses are really good for sub as well as all the pulls
thorny shore
exact the explosives orbs will be a priority damage target
crisp hollow
hmm idk about that
1 or 2 maybe
but you'd be backstabbing 3+ eventually cuz you won't have that much time for globals
(3+ at once)
inner pecan
affixes influence sub vs. sin more than dungeon imo
but certain dungeons to look to play sub are shrine, waycrest, toldagor, motherlode maybe
crisp hollow
i think i'd rather mut explosive orbs and use the CP for energy regen via bleeds
inner pecan
but for example this week sub isn't nearly as strong as it was last week because you can't reliably pull adds to bosses with sanguine
next week you can't really pull very big with explosive/bolstering so idk if sub will be the play
if anything Outlaw does the best out of all 3 specs on that affix combo imo
safe matrix
it varies with dungeon and group comp like flawless said
theres a reason he's the #4 m+ rogue world rn ๐คท
safe matrix
yeah fair, especially something like teeming
crisp hollow
any context to play outlaw over the other 2?
safe matrix
since sub hates small pulls a lot
drifting elbow
i dont really see outlaw being good with any affix over those 2
inner pecan
outlaw is a contender if your comp can utilize it
all 3 specs are playable at the highest level depending on the context
just go through raider.io runs and you'll see all 3
drifting elbow
sure its playable
but i mean in context where u would utilize spec strenght over other 2
inner pecan
where you won't be abusing shuriken combo but you might not be getting constant restealths
outlaw would do very well
inner pecan
it also has the highest "snap" dmg for things like explosive whereas sin/sub might struggle with energy on low target pulls
drifting elbow
havent played with explosive affix as rogue so idk
inner pecan
i don't play outlaw a lot but an example of it being the best spec is when doing Spotter cheese in Siege
since you basically can't restealth for the entire dungeon
safe matrix
this'll be the first round of explosive this expansion iirc
drifting elbow
oh
inner pecan
yep the last explosive week was the very last week of legion
drifting elbow
i guess i mixed it up with sanguine repeating
marsh bloom
How can we see what the sims rotation was?
do we have to use the simc app?
or does raidbots show you?
marsh bloom
pw?
slender smelt
i have 370 laser matrix and 370 ss
marsh bloom
SS is better for M+
safe matrix
its pretty middle of the pack/on the weaker end you gotta sim yourself to be sure though
slender smelt
yeah simmed myself but not sure
safe matrix
and you can see the sim rotation kilani
slender smelt
the difference is too small
safe matrix
go to the report page, click on full html report on the right
go to action priority list, then go to sample table
iirc
SS would completely smash it in m+
slender smelt
and i am not really trusting the sims for azerite cause... it doesn't really apply the same in game
safe matrix
no, it does
safe matrix
sims are pretty accurate
slender smelt
376 and still can't get a grasp of these azerites flying all over my inventory
safe matrix
these tables might help you make sense of where they stand in a general sense
but use them as loose guidelines, your personal sims will be more accurate than those ones
safe matrix
its also scuffed when it comes to sin
I cant remember the specifics of why though
thats why its no longer in the pins
azure yoke
I know that 3SS is the way to go based on most information, but just as an example icey veins has it listed kinda mediocre. Near the top but not nearly the best like the link you just linked does.
safe matrix
the IV guide for sin is bad
azure yoke
it does seem out of date when i read it. was confusing for me
safe matrix
and the chart for this assumes equal ilvl
which is not likely currently
so its unlikely you'll end up with 3x SS
drifting elbow
why wouldnt sims reflect reality with traits
i can get dagger in the back cuz sim assumes u are always behind target
but thats like extreme situational trait
safe matrix
SS was scuffed for a while because the sim couldnt restealth
thats been fixed however on hero damage
and there are always improvements to the rotation being uploaded^^
but generally sims are really accurate
azure yoke
I have a Q: is using vanish during opener only worth it if there are no other adds within vanish CD?
so basically has to be 100% single target
drifting elbow
with MA talent?
ruby pelican
Whatโs the dfference between pre raid and tier 22?
azure yoke
Veqad was that addressed t ome
safe matrix
and preraid is like 340 or somewhere in the ballpark
drifting elbow
yes
azure yoke
Im running subterfuge 100%, is that wrong? Im a fairly new rogue trying to soak up as much info as possible
ruby pelican
Oh I thought it was available traits but both have archive so I was like wtf
drifting elbow
its not wrong jreal
MA is just typically limited to ST
subterfuge gives u ability to spread multiple garrotes on different mobs
azure yoke
Right, and i love that in m+ but im thinking for raid, if there are any adds is it worth saving vanish for
like for instance if the adds die in like 5-10s (zekvoz?) is that worth holding vanish
drifting elbow
i guess u could delay vanish a bit to spread garrote when u know its spawning soon
ruby pelican
Actually @safe matrix what does it mean if you filter by item level and not trait stacking
azure yoke
Combat was dog easy so i switched to assass and my sim is like 500 dps less so really trying to min max things to i can stay assass
safe matrix
itemlevel of the trait piece
ruby pelican
Now you see 340-385 for both
safe matrix
traits scale with ilvl too
the t22 or preraid gear refers to the other gear, they use simcrafts default profile of gear
drifting elbow
minmaxing is fine and all, but with vanish being in 2min doesnt offer a lot of garrote spread opportunies on every fight
safe matrix
with that sort of stats, and it does its sims off of that basis
ruby pelican
Hmm okay I see thanks for clearing that up
azure yoke
so with that in mind you are basically using it as a single target dps increase unless a short delay opportunity presents itself? ok thank you
drifting elbow
yeah
azure yoke
at what ilvl does assass start to outscale combat
my combat sim is still higher for 1/4 the effort
drifting elbow
depends on traits
azure yoke
I have 2SS and a dog trait, only helm i can get twist the knife
marsh bloom
Why does it name a traget a fluffy_illow?
in the sim
is that enemy one i'm guessing? lol
drifting elbow
assa should be stronger than combat with bis traits on both specs 
drifting elbow
well SS traits isnt exatly the best for raiding
safe matrix
fluffy pillow is the name of the enemy target used for the sims
solar rose
I switch between Assas and Sub based on dungeon, not affix. If you don't have a group that can consistently pull for sub, you're not going to excel as much as you would by playing Assas. So it also depends on if you're pugging or not.
hazy skiff
Does which hand enchants go on matter?
safe matrix
nope
warm hatch
does using MA with no SS traits change the rotation with toxic blade?
marsh bloom
well if you were using SS you should be using subterfuge
south basin
^^
marsh bloom
the opener with MA TB is https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/498123466189307904/image0.png
safe matrix
Yep, which is the opener in the guide
marsh bloom
No it's not
safe matrix
Although vanish is in a different spot
I think there's been contention about that bit
marsh bloom
vanish is either before or after TB
the guide says to vanish after mutilate
30 dps increase in a 6 minute fight if you vanish after TB
proper zealot
There are small inconsistencies like that.
APL doing one thing, guide instructing another.
civic palm
and 30DPS isn't anything to worry about.
rocky notch
guide was changed i think
proper zealot
For the particular Master Assassin/Toxic Blade opener, it's still the same, where it Vanishes before your first Envenom after Vendetta.
marsh bloom
The guide doesn't explain how to use TB
proper zealot
Just says to use it on CD which, according to the APL, is correct.
The only condition for Toxic Blade is that Rupture's on the target.
marsh bloom
doesn't explain on how to pool
proper zealot
That's literally all it looks for.
fallen sandal
When you tb you don't want to have to refresh rupture while active
That's the only thing to care about
proper zealot
Pretty much, yeah.
I was just surprised to see it in writing in the APL; that it only looks for Rupture on target. I thought there might be a tad more than that.
safe matrix
iirc for a while it didnt even have that
if you have wellfounded suggestions to improve the apl, thats what #tc-research is for
hardy magnet
is shrouded suffocation still bis after the nerf?
civic palm
whoRdeezNerds?!
safe matrix
But yeah, check the herodamage rankings for traits to get a general guideline/ranking of the traits
which is in the pins
lean coral
is the opener with MA any different than the non SS opener?
civic palm
Depends on if you use Subterfuge or not, that's where the difference would be.
proper zealot
@safe matrix I'll keep that in mind. : )
Just to clarify, though, I'm not knocking the APL. I have nothing but the utmost respect for those that took the time to write such an invaluable tool for the Rogue community. I was just surprised by the conditions for Toxic Blade, that's all. : )
safe matrix
there are openers in the guide, which is in the pins
civic palm
Subterfuge is still fine without SS and in Single Target.
safe matrix
nah, the TC people are still people they can overlook things
its why the channel exists, to improve the apl
civic palm
None of the current TCers are gonna shit on your for having a good idea.
or even being interested.
proper zealot
Definitely interested, to say the least. You can learn a lot about a spec from reading its APL.
civic palm
SUB is also way more flexible than MA even in a raid environment.
long portal
I'm sure that's how it is just just about everyone. Ss/galecallers really give subt/exsang the kick it needs
Exactly. Most fights are multitarget
civic palm
at some point yeah, there's at least another target.
long portal
Plus there's 1 ss trait from raid itself, so if you actually raid you probably have it anyway
proper zealot
Master Assassin is nice for single-target when you don't have Shrouded Suffocation, because it gives you the potential to smooth out the opener with the much-needed extra Combo Point generation. Even then, it barely sims higher than Subterfuge.
civic palm
You would take Archive in that slot so you can use something else elsewhere probably.
trying to remember the other piecesss
long portal
Hmm I use archive from zul
proper zealot
Archive helm off of Vectis, and Laser Matrix helm off of Mythrax.
civic palm
If you have the helmet with archive you use that, the other traits are baaaaad.
The TtK chest is probably better than the Shrouded chest considering the encounter types.
long portal
Haven't gotten that one on mythic yet, using a shot 385 tw helm fir raid
civic palm
and you have 1 option for shoulders and they have Scent.
Could probably do perfectly fine everywhere with archive/scent/shroud
long portal
For sure, it's all about what azerite/trinkets you have available. It will slightly change your build but will be very close in dps.
civic palm
For real though I need pretty much ANY 370 shoulder at SOME TIME Blizzard...
other than my current*
proper zealot
I had been using a 340 (+5) helm up until this week, because that was my luck. ๐
fallen sandal
I got 2 weeks in a row the same 385 helm my weekly cache
What kind of unluck is that sorcellery
proper zealot
But then I got the Laser Matrix helm off of Heroic Mythrax, which pushed me past 17k sim DPS. Not the helm I wanted, but certainly an upgrade.
cobalt gyro
i feel like my sin rogue doesn't perform too well in aoe. should i be opening (with SS) > garrote x3 > rupture > vendetta > vanish > 3x more garrotes (assuming enough targets) before i transition to FoK?
fallen sandal
No
long portal
I feel like I sim pretty low for being 380 #feelsnerfedman
long portal
3x garrote>CT imo
fallen sandal
3x rupture *
cobalt gyro
yeah sorry ii thought spreading rupture was implied
long portal
All depends on how many mobs you're fighting really
And how long they will live, etc
fallen sandal
Ofc
proper zealot
I'm relatively happy with my gear at the moment. Simming just over 17k DPS for being 377-equipped. Feels alright.
long portal
My shit alt dh that has never been in the raid sims 16k lol
azure yoke
can someone please tell me why the APL in SimC is showing Garrote Mutilate Mutilate when im using SS that makes absolutely 0 sense
proper zealot
I want the Vectis helm. My M+ set would be SO good if I had it. : /
civic palm
Pretty sure it does yeah.
azure yoke
Sorry my question was in regards to the opener
azure yoke
my opener in SimC is saying Garotte, mutilate, mutilate, i have SS. tahts a waste of combo points. makes literally 0 sense
warm geode
@azure yoke could send the report
long portal
Oh I never really look at charts, just use top gear usually
azure yoke
OEJJ
civic palm
Gutripper is a pretty damn good trait
azure yoke
J 88.75 mutilate,if=variable.use_filler
civic palm
I think I can get 3xGR > _>
azure yoke
O = garrote E = trinket
long portal
I'll probably use them when I get to ghuun in a couple weeks I guess
proper zealot
When I get the helm off of Vectis, I'll be running with one Archive and two Shrouded Suffocation, two Heed My Call and a Gutripper and THREE Resounding Protection traits for my Mythic+ set, and each piece will be 375.
Here's hoping I get it next reset! ๐ค
azure yoke
Anyone know why when i use the SimC program itself, i get a massively different result that makes no sense when looking at the APL. Just checked raidbots and it has what looks like a correct APL and much higher dps result
long portal
Program have the stacking secondary stat turned on?
somber hill
Is SS still necessary?
like at least 1 ss or can i just do 2 double dose and then like archive?
long portal
For raid it's not, no
somber hill
Been playing outlaw this whole expac so rusty on sin
long portal
Dd is good yeah. With Dd you probably sim better with MA and TB>Subt and Exsang
somber hill
ya was thinking of makign use of MA
definitely using tb with it tho
Whats a solid amount of haste for single targ energy regen right now?
im around 12% right now and it feels so slow on the regen
proper zealot
12% is pretty low.
long portal
Yeah that's pretty low, haste is very good for assa. I think I have 20% outside of raid
fallen sandal
18% is good
warm geode
mastery and crit sim high now
stable pine
I thought SS bug is fixed? When is my empowered garrote still disappear when I garrote a mob that doesnโt have empowered garrote?
stable pine
Then why is my empowered garrote still disappeared?
Is there something I donโt know bout?
stable pine
My WA shows that it disappeared
warm geode
ur wa could be bugged xD
stable pine
Cheers boys ill do me numbers like a good boy
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bitter pebble
Hey Dudes and Dudettes, just got my Lions Guile / Doom's Wake. When do i ideally use it in the opener? I juse subterfuge/toxic blades.
terse crescent
Sync it up with vendetta
wary anchor
anyone know how to change the m+ interrupt weakaura so that class color on bar is always on
topaz notch
i have a double dose trait on 325 helm, and i got a 340 helm with Twist the knife, is the 15 ilvl upgrade worth the trait? or does it just not matter at theese low ilvl gear
lean coral
topaz notch
should i sim myself? how do i add my sweatshirt and sweat pants?
all jokes aside, thank the lord for theese discord group where sim it is on repeat
groups*
stark stag
@lean coral I like ur avatar pic btw
lean coral
yeah i knew it had to be my pic as soon as i saw it
devout glen
will hearts get revered ilvl for alts after the patch?
topaz notch
yeah i think they will get it if u have it on one char, not sure tho
warm geode
prob just gonna need to complete the quest
warm geode
yeah, on sillithus, if they make alts have the same rep as main, prob just gonna need start the quest on the npc and get the ilvls on the neck
zinc zephyr
I made a weakaura that counts down Shroud uptime for party. What do you think the best channel is for the text?
I put it into Party chat, should I tell it on yell or emote?
quick ice
I like party chat, but only counting 15, 10, 5,4,3,2,1
zinc zephyr
Where's the problem?
hardy bluff
zinc zephyr
yaya
west cove
370 with no SS traits atm. Finally ditched my 355 chest after getting fetid one earlier. Archive or SS trait the way to go. Archive sims higher but meh
warm geode
@marsh bloom every bleed or poison works with mastery, Internal Bleed works to
strange python
it sims higher as in archive with reorigination array or without?
round harbor
