then just spam fan if >3 targets and mut if not
#assassination
covert pumice
n whats the rotation then
spice bolt
garrote as many mobs out of stealth as you can.
Crimson Tempest then fan to spread posions.
covert pumice
yeah i mean ill be using fan to farm combo points anyway
but crimson tempest, i basically only use that for the poison effect on it, the main damage to deal while the DoTs are active is still envenom?
spice bolt
sorry fixed. use CT then start spreading ruptures until ct runs out
You just want to keep CT up if there are 3 or more mobs I believe
its 3 or 4
covert pumice
so like at the end of the days, the DoTs are more important than the single damage produced by envenom?
spice bolt
The bleeds from rupture and garrote are important because they do good damage and they also regen energy if you have posions applied to the target.
covert pumice
Prey on the weak, that includes other players aswell,m right?
spice bolt
Yes
There will generally be a big baddie that will cast a spell you'd want stuned that you are all focusing anyways so its pretty good for that.
covert pumice
but idk, you cant even stun most elites or bosses though
spice bolt
Yeah it wont be used for bosses.
but there are a lot of elite mobs in dugeons and even raids that can and should be stunned
covert pumice
yeah, im mainly focusing on setting up a rotation as of right now
takes away my concentration from the kicks and stuns atm lol
balmy haven
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
bleak storm
Hmm
With x6 Reorigination Array Stacks I'm getting more dps with 1x Double Dose, x1 SS, x1 Archive compared to x3 Archive/matrix or x2 archive/matrix
How come? ๐ฎ
pastel wasp
Because the array doesnโt stack
Since youโre running exsang, SS is always a really good trait to have
bleak storm
@pastel wasp Oh I see, so having only 1 archive/matrix is probably best if i have double dose or SS
strange python
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fH3qUSeWpSTcfoBmswaYRS no buffs 6boss/40sec/nightly
good?
dim kraken
Hey ๐ I'm the raidlead in my guild and I'm trying to see why our assassination rogue does so bad on the ilevel bracket on every fight. Can someone take a look in the logs and help me?
It's Nรถbbi
echo cargo
His uptime on bleeds is potato
shadow pivot
^
echo cargo
Wait melee is his highest damage ability
shadow pivot
when melee finishes first on almost every boss, the issue is simple to spot
echo cargo
WHAAAAAAAT
weak isle
ye melee highest dmg is not the thing u are looking for
celest ruin
how is that even possible
weak isle
some meh azerite too would recommend going on some m0 get good traits
next tendon
how many targets do you normally place rupture on in m+ with the scent of blood trait
shadow pivot
every single target that will stay alive for its duration
dim kraken
So he has to get more bleeds out and keep poison on?
bleak storm
Tell him to get a scroll
dim kraken
Okay but that buff doesn't make the difference from grey logs to purple logs I suppose ๐
shadow pivot
def. not
echo cargo
Needs to keep 100% uptime on garrote and rupture
make sure his poisons are like.. on his daggers lol
dim kraken
Okay thanks will tell him ๐
frosty violet
Looking at Fetid Devourer, his Deadly Poison uptime on boss was 94% so his poison was definitely on his daggers, and his Garrote/Rupture had 90% uptime which could be better but probably isn't the whole reason he's got gray rankings for his ilvl
hollow frost
the time bleeds arent on fetid they are on adds
white shard
You want bleeds on both adds and fetid
hollow frost
ofc
white shard
I tried timing my vanish to use garrotte on both fet and add.
hollow frost
but bleed uptime doesnt explain gray logs, i think
white shard
I posted my logs from last night just before. My rogue is seques
I was just giving a tip โบ๏ธ
white shard
Yeah, Iโm only on phone so I canโt look at his traits or trinkets properly
ripe fulcrum
Has anyone figured out the secret to getting 370 azerite gear in your emissary reward? I'm ilevel 362
dim kraken
He got Shrouded Suffocation, Double Dose and Archive of the Titans
mint osprey
ok those are great traits
terse pawn
rate my opener
white shard
Yeah, I have same traits
terse pawn
lol
dim kraken
oh fck sry watched @ jemingos xD
white shard
Loooool
terse pawn
dunno, i've been looking through some single digit parses for fun
dim kraken
he got archive, whirling sands and meticulous scheming
terse pawn
this was some dude on heroic zekvoz, parsed 8 lol
mint osprey
Rank 8 or 8%
terse pawn
8%
white shard
I donโt think those traits are good @dim kraken
strange python
archive not good?
white shard
Archive is good
mint osprey
archive is the others are not
strange python
k
hollow frost
could traits and ~10% bleed uptime really cause a gray log?
mint osprey
Im sure there are other things as well
But those are really basic things
that he isn't getting right
hollow frost
I just can'T findem though
strange python
I thought that he posted his opener for comedic purpose?
Like I thought it was sarcastic
mint osprey
EP and Envenom buff uptime also very bad
strange python
k
terse pawn
like someone actually did that
mint osprey
yea no one is debating that
terse crescent
wouldnt you cast garrote first, then mutilate, then rupture then vendetta then toxic blade?
hollow frost
Nรถbbi EP uptime higher
weak isle
u would do anything but what happend there yes
terse pawn
looking at random logs is making me feel a lot better about myself
mint osprey
Thats a low bar....
terse crescent
didnt you say that was your opener?
mint osprey
Yea he did
gusty yoke
/r/wooosh
terse pawn
dunno it could be mine, but i don't play sin
terse crescent
the extra o in that woosh indicates its the person who whooshed me that got wooshed
clearly i was joking ๐
gusty yoke
i just wanted to type wooosh and see if anyone even got it 
gusty yoke
aniceguy?
gusty yoke
who wants to judge my logs? 
only picked up rogue couple of days ago and want to hammer our the bigger mistakes asap
civic palm
COURT IS NOW IN SESSION
https://giphy.com/gifs/court-gavel-order-in-the-GPJiTei1LP5WE
terse crescent
Post em
terse pawn
no one ever logs my pub raids wtf
terse crescent
Your opener is wrong
terse pawn
why do warriors charge twice in the opener?
hollow frost
@gusty yoke no vanish casts?
terse crescent
You wanna cast garrote first rather than the auto attack
terse pawn
wut
gusty yoke
yeah that might have been a scuffed pull
yeh im pretty sure this is where i am not even in stealth from pull
terse crescent
Where do you see that
gusty yoke
yeh
gusty yoke
like i said picked up the class really recently so prob more than enough mistakes to point out ๐คฃ
terse pawn
the other rogue doesn't have SS
terse crescent
Well don't garrote the same target twice
You could probably cast vendetta after that rupture
gusty yoke
yeah i normaly g.r.g but sometimes i g.g.r
terse pawn
i normally vendetta before toxic blade but i dunno if it makes much of a difference
terse crescent
Why do you do that?
strange python
U cast vendetta before toxic
terse crescent
You're playing subterfuge so garrote deals more damage from stealth
gusty yoke
yeh i normaly do that but i've caught my self doing GGRTV often aswell
strange python
with SS and subter yeah
terse pawn
you screw up on combo points if you do it that way don't you
gusty yoke
yeh you do
strange python
u waste garrote tick
proud ore
any tips for gearing myself in m+? most of my gear is optimized towards pvp but I got a full bank full. before i start simming anyone have tips, do i stack mastery?
gusty yoke
other than the opener wich should honestly be just play more
are there more glaring mistakes?
strange python
@proud ore Start with reading the guide ๐
terse pawn
you need to vanish as part of your opener
gusty yoke
cause looking at my logs i cant really go further than spotting dot uptime cause i've not played that much
proud ore
idk they feel outdated
terse crescent
I need to read that guide myself ๐
terse pawn
the guides are still up to date as far as i can see
strange python
What feels outdated?
gusty yoke
so i vanish after tb window i guess?
strange python
Read the guide
terse pawn
no you vanish after your opening garrote runs out
proud ore
its a month old the traits are changed
terse pawn
second application of garrote should be vanished, and you garrote twice
strange python
????????
terse crescent
That much is true
terse pawn
so 20 seconds
strange python
The openers on ravenholdt are up to date
terse pawn
traits are still kinda up in the air atm anyway
proud ore
im confused by bloodmallets archiev of the titans rank, is that only when you have the laser shit or how do i sort this
terse pawn
especially with more stuff coming soon
proud ore
i just wanted seome tips before i waste time simming everything u coulda just said stack mastery > crit and go for X Y Z traits
strange python
Read the guide?
proud ore
out of date
strange python
rofl
gusty yoke
you just got told they are not out of date tho ๐ค
strange python
Then stack mastery
proud ore
im asking about the traits
proud ore
do i still run the uldir traits? bloodmallet sorts weird
proud ore
ok if u just gave me a fucking head start i wouldnt ahve to sim every single piece of gear
yikes out
strange python
Use top gear on raidbots
proud ore
great class discord guys
strange python
Have a nice day
strange python
It is
proud ore
strange python
For MA/TB
strange python
@proud ore Here's something for you http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/
I mean
MA/Subter are both viable
civic palm
MA and SUB are .1% within each other, use whichever you like.
strange python
Its just that bloodmallet doesnt take other talents into consideration
terse crescent
Won't subt still be better for cleave with the multidotting potential
strange python
Only for opener and vanish windows
lone junco
@terse pawn team comps matter
strange python
From what I see all 3 specs have done a +18
terse crescent
You can do some insane st with shuriken storm
terse pawn
not on the AD bosses though
lone junco
@lethal heart is god rogue now. everyone should be sub now.
terse pawn
dunno i think sub is easier than sin
terse crescent
It's fun
terse crescent
There's night blade๐
terse pawn
you don't really multidot with it though, just prio target
terse pawn
with the dark shadows m+ build it actually isn't even that bad once you understand
lone junco
that last pull in ML was 80k dps dk lol
bleak storm
Sub is good
but i feellike assa
is easier
and you get slighlty more out of it in m+
terse crescent
I gotta agree with that
terse pawn
i used to play sin since once build fits all for it
terse pawn
sub you have to spec toward ST or AoE and if your tank doesn't pull big it feels bad
bleak storm
and more dps for less effort
terse pawn
i still enjoy sub more though so i just go with that
ruby idol
The best spec is dungeon/comp specific
With sin being better if you're only gonna play 1 spec
bleak storm
ST is good and fun to play with
so yeah depends if tank pulls big groups or not
and during tyra week as well
lofty sand
Sub shines whenever you need to burst down an important target while aoeing everything else, a lot of dungeons have that like Motherlode
terse pawn
yeah all the rogue specs are still good for m+, especially if you're not pushing 15+ keys
which most people aren't anyway
demon hunter free aoe padding zzzz
oh damn, in unholy's AoE still good
lone junco
yeah
terse pawn
i legit haven't seen a UH DK in bfa yet
lofty sand
I think rogue is an important melee for m+ not because of its sheer dps, but the utility. Shroud is too big to pass
civic palm
UH was meant to be broken coming out of Beta raid testing, turns out those meters meant shit and Frost is king.
lofty sand
blind, silence, sap, distract, shroud, stun
terse crescent
I ended up swapping to uh just before my guild fell apart
terse pawn
they need an indicator for unstunnable mobs though
terse crescent
They forced me to play frost ๐คข
lofty sand
part of being good at things is knowing where your abilities work or not
lone junco
i hear, if you fail your breath. just pack it up
terse crescent
Yeah
ruby idol
Play more shell game to work on your memory skills
terse pawn
there's no skill in finding that out though, it' s just trial and error
terse crescent
I played hearthstone offscreen during my downtime on HC ghuun progress ๐ ๐ ๐
lofty sand
well memory is inevitably part of it
good m+ players memorize things that they should look for
terse pawn
it's like if you didn't have the eyeball for mobs that could see through stealth
terse crescent
I still walk into those packs ๐
terse pawn
my elvui bars actually block those lol
i have to remember which ones they are and turn off frames for that part
terse pawn
aww so close
lone junco
90k nb.
terse crescent
Got a really nice wa set up for my rtb and cds
terse pawn
87k by the DH
terse pawn
the only time i've seen UH in game is when they used to cheese the trait in arena
terse crescent
That's killer when you pop dnd as uh and the tank decides to go for a walk
lone junco
seb doing work
terse pawn
can't see if he's running sectec or not
terse pawn
lol
crisp hollow
failed like 4 +15s today by under 2min each, not a fun time
brittle pawn
i failed a 2 sots... with a 370 tank and heals
marsh bloom
lol
actual 1 dps difference
I'm guessing gutripper is better since on bosses like vectis gutripper will trigger more often?
lethal heart
someone tagged me
whats happening
@lone junco ๐ก
was like a giga meme key we did ROFL
and dh played fel barrage
i was gonna look bad in overall no matter what happens ๐ฆ
winter fog
is it always worth to keep on garroting? or is FoK + finisher just better at high enemy count?
winter fog
SS archive, SoB
against like 5+ targets
is it worth to keep garroting after subterfuge or do I rather spend my global with FoK and spamming 4/5 cp finishers
since FoK will probably build 3-5 times more cp than garrote
daring imp
i do garrote to get the last 5th point for ct for example
strange python
????
yikrd
if you triple garrote
you have 5 cps
you spend those
after you spend those
daring imp
wait he's talking about opening?
strange python
you can garrote again
daring imp
thought he was talking about after emp garrotes fall for example
daring imp
well qwersx you probably want as many ruptures as you possibly/humanly can so i'd assume yeah don't garrote aside from the ones on opening
winter fog
if there are like 5+ enemies
winter fog
do I still use "weak" garrotes or would I rather use FoK for more cp
strange python
garrote does great damage
daring imp
after you ruptured all the mobs just garrote them, not before probably
strange python
garrote downside is how much energy it costs but you have so much overflowing energy that it doesnt matter
daring imp
it's in the scenario that he has scent of blood equipped
daring imp
garrote hits more or less the same as rupture per tick
if you can have like 10 mobs with ruptures that will be great
proud prawn
I can't figure out why I'm simming so low. Compared to the other sims I'm seeing in this discord for people around my ilvl or even lower and simming higher. Can anyone notice something I have wrong or what is holding me back?
Is it the 395 gloves/belt that bring my ilvl up but aren't the most effective pieces stat-wise?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2J2k3u5iDSNWNvPNStJk7Q
strange python
your weapons are low compared to the rest of your gear
your neck is really low as well and you have a crap load of vers
you're also missing a secondary on your helm
daring imp
subterfuge with SS, wouldn't exsang sim a bit higher?
strange python
yeah, that helm is earthlink which is like 150 dps you're missing
daring imp
why do you have gale force on weapon tho
strange python
yikes
rugged trellis
hey, is there anyone that can tell me what the current meta build + traits to use is for assassination atm? i've been checking around online but i haven't found whatever seems to be the best way to run
strange python
whatever sims highest
daring imp
there's no "meta", depends on the highest azerite gear you have
strange python
theres no answer, you just play what you generally have at highest ilvl + 1 archive / lazer
rugged trellis
im maining sub, was gonna give assass a try.... but gotta target azerite gear to farm before i switch
daring imp
385 blightborne infusion sims higher for me because it has overwhelming power, while my 385 DD doesn't, for example
3x overwhelming power is such an interesting setup for raiding lul
winter fog
another question I have is regarding vendetta on aoe pulls in m+
strange python
use it on prio target
proud prawn
Odd, AzeritePowerWeights addon shows 0 for Earthlink for me
winter fog
how do I use vendetta/exsanguinate best? I open with garrote on 3 targets and then probably a CT
daring imp
i save vendetta for infested mobs
for example, your tank asks for cc on infested
and pulls the infested pack and other pack that has no infested
winter fog
@strange python I read about low cp ruptures, what about that?
daring imp
cleave it down, pop vendetta on infested afterwards
rugged trellis
so i go and farm just 2 random pieces for assassination and switch one of my current over to titan archive and im good to go ?
strange python
if you're talking m0
strange python
grab double dose or shrouded suffucation
strange python
@winter fog idk, I dont play with scent, ask seli
daring imp
or is it underrot
rugged trellis
2x suffocation + 1 titan archive for AoE (m+ build) // 2x double dose + 1 titan archive for ST (raid bosses and PvP). does that work out ?
unkempt forge
Do we have Haste cap ? in assassination spec
winter fog
funyn answer, my FoKs rarely give me more than 2 cp lol
strange python
if you wannna go m+ general rule of thumb is triple shrouded
marsh bloom
How do we check what food buff it gave us in the sim?
daring imp
spec crit for m+'s
strange python
the titan is for raid
lilac lily
archive is good if you can keep the buff from one pull to the other
strange python
Seli reccomends archive over SS is the ilvl difference is 40+
daring imp
@rugged trellis archive can work in m+, while you don't get high ilvl SS's it can do fine
strange python
for example, I have a 345 head and a 385 head, I use the 385 head
below 40 ilvls difference, seli says to just go srhouded
goes for most pieces
scent is the same rule
rugged trellis
alright. m+ = 3x shroud (unless ilvl 40+<).... ST is 3x double dose... titan archive is good if i can keep cube up in raid
strange python
ST you want one archive assuming raid
harsh totem
On a 3-4 mob pull, what does the ss/crimson tempest rotation look like
rugged trellis
alright! thanks for the help @strange python and @daring imp been much helpfull guys
honest needle
why are sims tell me not to use my 370 archive. I see everyone using archive https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7sHR1kx9YcniTcLwmyxMPo
daring imp
happy bleeding
thorn pasture
What faction has a SS azerite piece as reward for emissary?
rugged trellis
thx!
honest needle
ya but isnt archive better
daring imp
i meant because of 1x uldir trait "rule" for raiding
strange python
plus
honest needle
im wondering why its not telling me to use my archive helmet
strange python
Overwhelmign power
honest needle
over twist the knife
daring imp
ye and overwhelming power
your archive has heed my call
it's only like 0.7% behind so you can use whatever and the difference will be minimal
honest needle
ya but heed my call is also good right
daring imp
it is just not as goodas overwhelming power when we're talking 2nd ring
honest needle
i have a ss chest at 360
daring imp
ss isn't that good at single target anymore
honest needle
should i use ss chest over laser matrx then use the archive helm ?
strange python
your 360 lazer chest
has overwhelming power
overwhelming power beats gutripper massively
sudden trench
well how many fights would you say SS is not viable in raid
honest needle
ss is good for like 3 fightd
strange python
if the sims tells you it's not better
?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
honest needle
just weird when i go to logs everyone is useing atleast 1 archive
daring imp
you simmed patchwerk
sudden trench
ss is good for all the fights in the raid - even on taloc
strange python
holy
honest needle
and sims arent telling me to use 1
daring imp
they use 1 archive because that's the highest uldir piece they have
strange python
OVERWHELMING POWER
honest needle
ok so ill just do what the sims tell me. I wanted to save the shoulders i have for mythic plus for the ss trait, but sims want me to us eblightborne infusuion
should i just stick with the scent of blood shouylders
and save the ss 1 for mythic plus
strange python
thats like 100 dps loss
sudden trench
i sim 17.4 with dd traits, but pref running ss over it for raid
honest needle
thats worth it tho to use the 370 ss shoulders for m+ tho right
daring imp
you'll do like .5% less deeps on raid if you save those shoulders for SS for m+
totally worth it
if you like m+'s that is
i've been wanting that stupid fetid chest for so long
winter fog
@strange python just watched the last seli VoD and he keeps CTing over rupture btw
winter fog
yes, him answering that he does low ruptures
and he indeed does use low ruptures
but he CTs before those tho
daring imp
he kept ct'ing over rupture, ok, but how many adds were there? how many sob stacks? was he overflowing with energy? too few info to take conclusions man
strange python
I did say I dont play with scent yet
winter fog
yes
daring imp
he purposely let rups fall just so he could use ct? or you just saw he using ct once or twice to keep debuff up and you claim he's ct'ing over rupture?
strange python
if you whatever seli does
daring imp
well yeah, that's the opening, you start rupturing shit after that
lofty sand
Thats normal, the garrote energy should be enough for at least that
daring imp
there's some that do g g g ct, some that do g g g rupture
some even do g g g g because they got no ss's for m+ setup
if you check logs you'll find all kinds of weird on openings
lofty sand
aoe is very situational, can't really only do one opener no matter the size or type of the mob.
warm geode
normaly is g g g ct fok so u can gain energy after, g g g g normaly will have energy for just another skill, if use fok over cap cp, if use ct, lose gcd waiting for energy for fok
winter fog
@daring imp thats not really the level im talking about
daring imp
you're mentioning specifically for openings, no?
winter fog
for me its perfecting the damage and I feel like rogue is pretty much just "meh, no one really knows exactly, but this seems good"
daring imp
why do you think some use ggg ct instead of ggg rupture? even if the guy has SoB
winter fog
obviously i'm not asking if I just always CT even tho I would break an important cc
lofty sand
Well thats because each situation requires you to think and act differently, there is no cookie cutter "do this and it will always yeld the best results" specially for aoe
daring imp
have you seen how much damage CT does on your overall dmg after finishing a high key?
daring imp
\o/
with that info, @winter fog , why wouldn't you want CT debuff up for as long as possible on middle/big packs while you go building up your sob/rupture stacks WITH THE CT DEBUFF UP?
how many ruptures would you want to have before popping CT?
warm geode
if energy is infinity ( rupture on 3 adds ) just fok till 4/5 and CT
lusty belfry
daring imp
are you doing vanish > garrote boss add boss?
hazy sphinx
That shit looks dope
daring imp
dafuq
hazy sphinx
Is there a full list of the new traits out there?
lucid bolt
anyone here that can hook me up with a heroic run? dm me ๐ i got steam money lol
daring imp
critstacking ayyyyy
hazy sphinx
dafuq
warm geode
@strange python could u explain to me, im think the will be shit, can be a translate problem
bad translation
weary cave
bloodmallet puts blightborne over shrouded suff and i already have 1 stack of shrouded suff but im still thinking it would be better for pvp since crit from blightborne will be diminished? any thoughts?
warm geode
play poison
strange python
this is a pve channel
supple hearth
@weary cave typically the damage from ss isn't what youre looking for. you take 1 ss for the combo points then grab 2 of something else
weary cave
This is specifically for mut so I figured it might be better to ask a question about an azerite trait specific to mut here, but ive also asked in pvp
hazy sphinx
^
weary cave
And thanks for feedback
queen moth
Bloodmallet says ss is Bad now. For m+ do i still use one for the additional cp?
lone junco
๐
supple hearth
I'd still use SS in m+
safe matrix
"I've seen this "issue" popping off a lot in #assassination and wants to clarify it.
Shrouded Suffocation was not further nerfed than what it was 11 days ago.
The default SimC profile changed from Subterfuge to Master Assassin, which made Shrouded Suffocation dropping by a lot on any Azerite chart that is not using a talent override or the exsanguinate profile.
Due to this (and also similar issues with other classes/specs like BM Hunter, Frost Mage, ...) we added talents overrides based on combinations sims in all HeroDamage Azerite chart (scroll up a bit if you want more details).
If you're looking at sims without that, then yes SS is at the end of the chart, but with a proper setup it'll show up (currently ranked #2 behind DD in pure ST)"
-aethys
lone junco
lol M+ keys. grats rogue.
safe matrix
so bloodmallet is inaccurate with SS
queen moth
Ty โค
strange python
strange python
i hate outlaw ๐
sullen pagoda
whats with the sim
lone junco
not eveyone is 17k club
strange python
whats with the sim?
strange python
its my alt what do u mean
sullen pagoda
@lone junco hes playing fetid trinket in m+
some questionable decisions there ๐ค
lone junco
that 70k pack tho
sullen pagoda
yea they do some nutty pulls
sullen pagoda
i like toldagor starting pull the most
sullen pagoda
yeah its normal but wont be allowed on MDI
daring imp
not that soon tho
subtle lodge
So what trait combo seems to fit majority of the people now?
lone junco
I look forward to not playing SS. but im literally out of golds for respeccing azerite
plus we never giga pull.
shaman healer, no dk tank.
oy
lofty sand
I was so hopeful when I got my 370 chestpiece, then it was another SS...
subtle lodge
Triple SS for m+?
shy escarp
triple SS is good, you could also throw in Scent of Blood, I think 1x SoB 2x SS is worth more than 3x SS nowadays
hazy sphinx
so m vectis is a SS fight huh
ember ermine
What do you run past +10 for Azerite @lone junco
lunar tangle
i have these trinkets
and im willing to know which is the best combo for m+
anyone ?
peak sapphire
Sim for a short duration on multiple targets
lunar tangle
by short duration u mean how many seconds?
peak sapphire
40 to 60
runic garden
4-5 targets for 40 Second w/o buffs (bloodlust etc)
ornate mantle
guys what would be the best weapon for assa [not counting ilvl] or its up to sim ?
lunar tangle
so hectic add cleave or ?
runic garden
I sim patchwerk, 5 Bosses, 40 seconds and no buffs
peak sapphire
@ornate mantle sim it, but probably the one from mother
runic garden
Tol Dagor is another option, also haste/krit iirc
ornate mantle
i just wanted to have an idea if i should do more of a kind of dungeon or anything like that weapon is just perfect w/e
thanks ^^
steep obsidian
weapon dps is huge on the main hand go for the highest ilvl one you can get
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
ornate mantle
allright
also another question been bugging me
does the enchant matter on wich hand it is
or it doesnt
raven bloom
question is 10k dps for a 340 ilvl decent ?
ornate mantle
yes
raven bloom
ty
ornate mantle
its actually pretty good
raven bloom
i asked that in the warriors discord and they all fuckig raging liek >.<
steep obsidian
๐ก
flint swift
Sounds like a bunch of nerds
ornate mantle
tell them to use bladestorm more
raven bloom
lol
i just dont understand why people cant answer a yes or no question with yes or no
ornate mantle
they cant , because someone stole the key S and O from theyr keyboard
candid mica
you can't rly answer that question with a yes or a no honestly
it depends
you didnt give any details on what you were fighting, how many mobs, or how long
ornate mantle
i tried to answer my best from what i got :/
raven bloom
this is what i showed them and i asked for simming is 10k decent for a 340 ilvl?
well it never uploaded lol
ornate mantle
oh for simming yea its pretty decent if you do a single starget yea
it depends on your traits also
i would say rogue is very trait dependent
raven bloom
i can tranfer to my rogue since im lucky in my small raid group being ony person with good ST dmg, i do 13k on most bosses at 352 XD
thin plinth
guys is there still a bug with the garrote
steep obsidian
no
thin plinth
nice, so thats big dps increase right ? ๐
civic palm
wut
raven bloom
whats most peoples Azerite neck at now?
raven bloom
so 375-45=330-280=50/2 so rank 25
steep obsidian
rank 25 is about what you get if you do content but dont grind till eyes bleed
i think people who grinded a ton or like 28+ now
raven bloom
okay, im only 20 XD about to hit 21
ssthe emmisary gives 750 or 1k rep for Champ of Azeroth? im liek 1k from revered XD
raven bloom
i dont know lol it coudl be 1.5k after you do turn in + all 4 quests XD
10,912/12000
lucid bolt
guys how to tell who messed up on eyebeam mechanic in warcraft logs?
raven bloom
i personalyl like TB>Ex but i play pally and warrior and used t oWindow of opportunity
quick void
Been playing TB religiously but I swapped to Exsang few days ago and I dont see why I should go back to TB anymore :S
vocal harbor
how can i sim trinkets i don't have?
quick void
google.
raven bloom
when yo ugo to raidbots.com click gear compare and after you import you character down below add the new item in the apropriate slot
quick void
Or that ^
ornate mantle
i love exsang so bad i would play it even if i get lower dps
vocal harbor
can i also switch the traits with that method?
i've been using topgear to sim traits without having to reforge them, but i also want to sim trinkets i don't have yet too
raven bloom
quick void
@ornate mantle Man I have fallen deeply in love with Exsang aswell
How did this happen
raven bloom
someone gotta teach me exsang
raven bloom
.<
so after i refresh GR EX like i do with TB for the damage and just continue like normal
ornate mantle
if you click at the top on SIN BFA GUIDE HERE -->>
you can see the openers on all the talents / traits
look for the one you match
its the best i could give you as an advice , because it worked for me wonders
raven bloom
boo i got ilvl upgrade >.<
quick void
And honestly exsang is not even THAT much better. Personally I sim 30 more dps with it. But I cant see any reason to why I should go back to TB. Not at all.
raven bloom
i got haste crit and no i get vers mastery lol
so SS is just what i should take reguardless of thebuild i chos...
steep obsidian
ss for dungeons is extremely strong
for single target other things can be better
and for raids you want something to trigger the array in uldir
raven bloom
mmk
time t otest my failures
yeah my dps is pretty much the same, TB just feels easier simply just press it on CD and not worry about my dots i like to cut them close sometimes
ornate mantle
honestly i worry more about tb
you have to keep your bleeds on point so it wont caught you off guard , save energy and combo points to squeeeeeeeeeze it
but hey its just me
raven bloom
i dont really have t oworry about bleeds since im the only melee and only one that focus ST damage
everyone else does the aoe so they tell me to sit boss whole time and if i miss a bleed i should quit
ornate mantle
mmm well it also worries me the bleeds i have on that enemy even if its one
raven bloom
๐
our adds just die before i get like 3 ticks of any bleed and to me not worth swapping ๐
raven bloom
gcb?
daring imp
galecaller kaboom
raven bloom
awe
ornate mantle
whats that?
daring imp
ornate mantle
yea but what dungeon i mean
raven bloom
2nd boss in Shrone of the storm council
ornate mantle
i have it on another leng
daring imp
shrine of the storm
raven bloom
imean shrine
ornate mantle
ohhh
daring imp
the trinket that throws the haste zone on the ground
ornate mantle
i got that trinket on 365 and dice i think its the freehold one you mean , 370 with socket
daring imp
the "i'm a tank and i'll fuck up your trinket usage" best in slot
ornate mantle
idk if i should use the haste zone one or doom's wake from lions roar
because the tanks i find move ALOT
ornate mantle
guess ur right
limpid dirge
I am trying Assassination for the first time, level 70 right now. It's pretty cool, although I probably have the rotation all wrong
ornate mantle
place bleeds , use envenom with 4-5 cp
till lvl 110 with traits there's nothing you can do wrong i think
raven bloom
onlyrule imo for sin is as long as you have rupture and garrote on the target you goo just envenom thats all i do lol
ornate mantle
when your around 110 and picking azerite [ or 120] like i did check guide ect
raven bloom
i know a lot of peopel was coming in here at one point asking if im doign okay and find out that they was only keepign like 80-90% uptime on garrote and rupture XD
daring cave
is there a haste cap?
ornate mantle
no cap
daring cave
ok so still stack haste then
ornate mantle
as people usually say around here btw 
daring cave
Im tracking lol
ornate mantle
because at some point you might need more crit than haste or w/e
raven bloom
or if you go t owarrior discord they say simming is irrelevant until your above 365 ilvl
ornate mantle
i would say simming is need since start so you can be picking talents / stats you might lack more
and you have the chance to pick items
and that is on ANY class pretty sure about it [ i might be wrong :P]
raven bloom
i need to go get details
i only use it to compare # Of attacks between me and another person to verify if i messed up my rotation or i just need more gear in general
ornate mantle
not gonna lie
but that would be kind of shitty depends on who your playing with
if you wanna compare that go and check top logs
raven bloom
^_^
echo cargo
@daring imp feel your pain bud. Took me 24 Freeholds for dice >_>
ornate mantle
feel so bad getting it in like the 5 +10 freehold and top of that with socket :/
raven bloom
lets see
ornate mantle
oh btw @raven bloom dont take it personally about the details , thats just how i do it , not saying how you have to do it
raven bloom
my highest mythic is a +5 then i stopped
daring imp
@echo cargo now i just gotta pray for some 395 socketed one ezpz \o\ /o/
lucid bolt
anyone know if thtere is a way to tell if someone stepped in corruption on zekvos with warcraftlogs ?
or who fucked up the most on eyebeam mechanics?
steep obsidian
the emote tells you
raven bloom
well if im running with another person of same class and spec, and hes just doign say 5k more dps than me ill go in ove rsame fight duration how many uses of any ability he done to what ive done
steep obsidian
so umm look at the screen
daring imp
check where the people dropped the pools by looking at replay
steep obsidian
the same as on yog saron
lucid bolt
it was from a few days sago
daring imp
gotta manually looka t it
daring imp
if only it did some damage
ornate mantle
oh yea that works aswell
daring imp
walking on theh pools i mean
lucid bolt
ya
daring imp
it'd be way easier
steep obsidian
the emote literally says "this idiot stood in the pool"
ornate mantle
but im used to play with a guild you can say less competent
steep obsidian
just gotta pay attention at the time ๐
lucid bolt
maybe damage taken from that guy that spawns?
ornate mantle
so i dont tent to do that because they just carry by gear
daring imp
nah the guy hardly will stay near the pool
he'll try to cover his mistakes by going to the middle of people
that's what i'd do anyway lul
lucid bolt
but like wont the thing spawn and slap them ?
daring imp
it takes time for it to start hitting people
lucid bolt
ohh lame
daring imp
like 1~2s?
lucid bolt
fuck yeah
raven bloom
then again dps amount is irrelevant if the boss dies
daring imp
but parses
raven bloom
mean nothing if boss dies
strange python
uhhhh
daring imp
w00t if l33t_boy stands on mechanic and kills you along with your great parse
runic maple
anyone know if switching to another spec against zul hc is good? I feel like my damage sucks against this boss as a sin
raven bloom
shrug i mean its not like you get anything extra in game or irl if you have top dps in world
raven bloom
did boss die?
strange python
the faster the boss dies the easier it is
raven bloom
then you had enough dps lol
daring imp
you have both the fulfilment AND more time to spare doing m+'s
strange python
yeah, but it could've died faster if you werent a shitter
ornate mantle
hey man idk about you but if the boss doesnt die quick how im gonna eat my cake
strange python
why shouldnt you replace someone who does trash dps even if the boss dies
daring imp
lul
raven bloom
i guess that only matters if youre method or limit >.>
strange python
yikes
strange python
that kind of logic is why you're doing +5's
shy escarp
look, the real way to play this game is to intentionally wipe the raid if you aren't on pace for an orange parse
raven bloom
no no no thats not why im only doing +5's lol
daring imp
"accidentally" did this on h zul last week
raven bloom
i just dont have to raid to get a world ranking like others do.
daring imp
do you compete with others? or enjoy it? putting your skills to work, to see how good you measure against others and stuff
not to make them feel bad, but for the plain curiosity of it
raven bloom
nope i raid with mainly family members whos across the world
daring imp
lul
ornate mantle
why am i playing wow then?
daring imp
well not the good people atleast
ornate mantle
does that exist?
raven bloom
i only go competative on my afk restoshaman to shit on my brother
daring imp
@raven bloom i didn't mean necessarily on wow, can be on other stuff like school/college tests, anything, dunno
raven bloom
well yes and no
strange python
whats the point of being competitive in college
just pass 4Head
if you get over 50% then it's fine
why try hard for anything in life
raven bloom
in that case my family always wonder how i can never be at school and if i am there i sleep the whole time but manage t oace my mid term and final exam lol
strange python
just do the bare minimum
daring imp
not much point, but me and this dude used to bet pizzas
civic palm
#off-topic bois > _>"
ornate mantle
i like beign competitive on sleeping , but my schedule is always fcked up , 5:37 am here
daring imp
sorry, the point is, competition is a good feeling, you challenge, get challenged, and feel better when you actually "get better" or "more efficient" at the game
raven bloom
i glithced to myth while fighting zul last night
ornate mantle
what he's trying to say is , do it for satisfaction
strange python
winning is fun
raven bloom
that would require me to raid with people that dont suck lmao
strange python
๐
ornate mantle
entertainment , i guess aswell
strange python
warcraft logs allows you to compete against people who dont suck
raven bloom
my 339 WW monk out dps half the people on my server >.>
ornate mantle
you just said what you can try
civic palm
ornate mantle
gear up
strange python
@civic palm @civic palm @civic palm @civic palm @civic palm
civic palm
daring imp
if you don't feel you can have any kind of satisfaction from it, then ... sorry man, but it's a great feeling to get better at something you weren't exactly good before, took me a while to not fuck up exsanguinate anymore because i'd tunnel vision all buffs/cds/debuffs and eventually delay that shit too much, for example
( does this example still count as offtopic? )
acoustic tinsel
good evening. when is it worth to use crimson tempest over poison bomb
strange python
in raids or in dungeons?
strange python
all the time
acoustic tinsel
do you run exsanguinate or toxic blade
strange python
depends on your traits
somber otter
is the garrote bug fixed?
raven bloom
yes
strange python
check pins
acoustic tinsel
I got 1 SS 1 Archive and.... 1 glory in battle
quick void
That feeling when you sim for less DPS than before but you still do more dmg realtime. Feelsweirdman
That other feeling when you have 380+ trinkets that are worse than 355 Fathoms/Gale
ornate mantle
i wish i could have my hands on fathoms
even tho idk if it would be better than mines....
turbid ingot
so i did my first h tonight and i only parsd a solid 24% help
turbid ingot
rip i got gkicked
quick void
Lmfao. Too low dps?
turbid ingot
lol yeah ill link my pars
quick void
Not in here though
turbid ingot
i pmd it to u so u can have a solid laugh
gloomy stump
My parses suck also. But i blame the encounters
turbid ingot
rugy helped me figure it out. i think since it was my first time in there i was to worried about mechanics and letting my sht fall off
frosty violet
Your interface is there to help you, if it's not assisting you in keeping all of your dots up while you focus on dealing with more important stuff, then consider looking into modifying your interface.
Some of it is skill, but I treat it like anything else when you're new to it... If you don't notice something important, then make it big and flashing.
sturdy python
You got gkicked from one night of raiding? Dang
turbid ingot
thats a good idea Death ty ill work on my ui!
and nah that was a joke its a friends guild they love meh
sturdy python
O lol
turbid ingot
but they did hard carry me tonight lol been so long since ive done a raid
fervent beacon
Playing sin rogue is the easiest thing in the game tho 
runic maple
is 2 archive 1 garrote better than 3 archives in pve raiding?
fervent beacon
strange python
Meanwhile after 63524th underrot still no tusks
But 5x the fucking belt
Dats wrong channel lul
ornate meteor
My friend told me that there is something wrong with ss trait sims topgear in raidbot is that true? Like other trait become stronger than ss in topgear
dire spoke
humble crane
Looks like spooky didn't read the latest pin =p
buoyant tartan
Anyone else having trouble finding a trinket that sims higher than fathoms?
solid nova
You'll find that's the case, Bloodmallet has the generalised breakdown for it
It's insane for a 355
buoyant tartan
Yeah I thought I'd sim higher with 365 boon and 370 golden plumage with a slot
But I guess that's not the case
median tiger
someone wanna carry me in a +7 waycrest manor?
strange python
yikes
humble crane
My 380 dice and 370 pvp trinkets by like 30 Dps over my fathoms ๐
jaunty crystal
Yea I'm glad I spent my hard earned cash on some Fathoms.
safe relic
guys do i really need to have the ss trait for mythics + ?
cause im with x2 385 and x1 370 azerites but no ss trait..
royal lantern
you dont need it, its just good
if you have traits that give you better st dps, you are just better for that, SS is a good allrounder in m+
safe relic
well im not talking about st but for mythics+
marsh bloom
Wh ydo so many people take subterfuge on zek'voz?
royal lantern
yeha, but m+ tends too have high st OR high aoe fights
alpine cave
Actually
safe relic
archive of titans is useless for m+ eh?
delicate crater
At 376 I have no SS for my Uldir setup, but I still sim higher using 340 SS trait in M+
royal lantern
like, the 1st boss in kings rest need good st dmg,same for the last in tol dagor
alpine cave
if you want to be god assassination rogue you don't actually primary stats (except 1 RA trait) , you just need 3x Overwhelming power 2ndary traits. Primary stats are not that different
need*
I still didn't have 3xOP traits with 370+ gear.
safe relic
siming 16700 with 376 ilvl ๐ค
delicate crater
I only sim 16250 at 376. I have some high ilvl gear with sub par stats
safe relic
well im playing with MA
fallen sandal
Hello guys, i lost 100 dps on me sim between yesterday and today without changing anything
any reason ?
civic palm
nope
