assassination

[jagged kindle]

@pearl meteor Perfect. Thanks!

[gusty yoke]

i've never had a moment where i needed to use a <4cp env to keep up the buff

[pearl meteor]

o.O

[gusty yoke]

i should say i never bother using a <4cp env to get he buff*

[pearl meteor]

better

lmao

i was like 100% uptime 🤔

[gusty yoke]

yeah that would be insane 🤣

[pearl meteor]

that wld b nice

lmao

[gusty yoke]

only way ur doing that is mut>finish repeat

[pearl meteor]

mhm

[dreamy fiber]

Am I crazy or was there a m+ guide floating around? Thought maybe by ashine but I could be completely wrong

[gusty yoke]

there is one from fragnence iirc

covers both ass and sub

not seen it my self so

[dreamy fiber]

I'm starting to think it was for a different class 😩

mb bois

[fiery bear]

there's one m+ guide in pins from method

[river quarry]

@drifting elbow plenty of time to mutilate on some packs and you still get ST benefits

[native saddle]

should I chain envenoms during elaborate planninig or am I better of just pooling?

[river quarry]

not all packs are 3+ mob

[pearl meteor]

@native saddle u want a mut mut env in ep window

So pooling a bit for that is g

[native saddle]

alright, thanks

[drifting elbow]

how do u mutilate ''plenty of times'' on trash packs when u pull 2+ mobs

last mobs sure u mut

but...

its not that ''plenty'' of times

[wide delta]

does anyone have a sap/blind WA for me which shows me the remaining time as an extra symbol? cant find any ...

[spice surge]

I mean you mutilate on 3 targets

You dont start foking until there 4 of em

[drifting elbow]

really? 🤔

[spice surge]

Even more if you have double dose

[pearl meteor]

I mean

You fok on 3 to apply poison but after that ye only mut

[spice surge]

#tc-updates Has it pretty recently if you scroll up

Yeye

[drifting elbow]

i mean, FoK CP's has a chance to generate more than one when hittin 2+ mobs near u no?

[strange python]

If crit

[pearl meteor]

Max u can get is amt of mobs n its still based on your crit

3 is mut dmg and cp wise

[drifting elbow]

then why guide is saying to FoK if there is more than 2 targets and mentions nothing about it being just poison applying thing

[spice surge]

🤷 Guess weak didnt update that part, he only edited in MA yesterday and not that

The guide hadnt been touched for a while before that

[river quarry]

anarcy and eleem are correct

[desert pelican]

On any amount of multitargets subterfuge always > than ma, right? So there is not even a point to switch for ma in uldir, ya?

[pearl meteor]

Depends on traits n gear mostly

[river quarry]

ye

[mossy hazel]

I am officially no longer part of the SS club...

Wait... that sounds kind of bad...

[pearl meteor]

Lol

[river quarry]

correct

[desert pelican]

No ss after last azerite weekly piece, and even on 76 ilvl ma sims only 100 dps higher on st

[river quarry]

o

[mossy hazel]

Yea, I need to run some talent sims now

Replaced head and shoulders last night, ended up with 3x archive

[pearl meteor]

So you dont have traits that make MA substantially higher so you wld go subt for uldir due to 2 target on lots of fights

[mossy hazel]

Kind of boring

[pearl meteor]

U gotta sim 2 target n compare increase of subt vs MA on that vs st inc from MA

For some ppl it is worth to go ma

That was for soul btw not u proto

[mossy hazel]

What do I do, just patch/5m/2boss?

Oh, my bad. Lol

[pearl meteor]

Ye my b forgot to @

[mossy hazel]

Ah damn

apparently I didn't log with my new shoulders on. Lol

[drifting elbow]

all that dps lost when i FoK spam on 2-3 mobs

thx guide

[quick ice]

any opinions on how many melee is too many for vectis?

[drifting elbow]

idk if there is that kind of bad punishment for having full melee dps raid when u still got healers to act as back guys

[shrewd bane]

whut muscle playing with 3 ss on mm+

[indigo plume]

I generally thought SS traits were kind for m+ even using 340 pieces of 370 however anytime I run sims it like 4 bosses over 1 min or hectic add cleave with 1 boss my higher ilvl ST traits are simming better - it's only my alt so it's not like I have any archives (ive disabled the array on the sims)

[drifting elbow]

do not sim hectic add cleave

or anything else

patchwerk is only thing with under 1min sims to reflect something from m+

[indigo plume]

Sure which is also what I did patchwerk 4 targets over 1 min

[mossy hazel]

Hey so if I do a gear compare sim on raid bots, is there anyway I can then use that set to do a talent compare?

[spice surge]

For most things the herodamage m+ tab should be enough, but if you really want to sim you can copy the fight conditions herodamage uses (its in the pins in #subtlety )

@mossy hazel Top gear if you have it in your bags

Otherwise you'll have to do it "manually"

[drifting elbow]

i dont really like how herodamage m+ mode puts in test

[mossy hazel]

Oh, that's right, you can change talents in top gear... God damn it's too early, thanks @spice surge

[drifting elbow]

spawning adds sometimes within time amount

🤔

[indigo plume]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aZYLW59MpVLku5GZZCq4n4

[mossy hazel]

Ah shit, but I need the full simc string for that and I"m at work...

[drifting elbow]

just go to talent compare section

and pull armor copy

thats all u need

armor copy bugging out with missing information is a lot less common now that relic traits being random vanished with legion

[mossy hazel]

Ah screw it, I'll just do it when I get home

[dreamy fiber]

Just go home, work not important

[gusty yoke]

Are there people who upload high keys as assassin?

[drifting elbow]

ashley, u may wanna sim with crimson tempest talent when 3+ mob amount

[gusty yoke]

Only one i found is speedoflight just wondering if there are others

[drifting elbow]

uploads?

logs, or known for being pusher?

[gusty yoke]

Nah youtube videos

[drifting elbow]

ah

[gusty yoke]

I learn easier by watching someone play than some text

[drifting elbow]

there should be couple streamer videos saved on some top assa runners

at least the top1 rogue had link to his stream from raider io

[gusty yoke]

Yeh speedoflight

[pearl meteor]

Flawless streams in shakibs grp

Frag

[drifting elbow]

ah speedofLIFE one...not light 😄

[pearl meteor]

Speed

[indigo plume]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oba6CZXAqVzBVLX6CkDvfk So I added CT and Exs still don't want me to use SS on 1min 4tar cleave

[desert pelican]

how many stacks of sharpened blades before release knife? any rules to use it? like in every tb window or so

[drifting elbow]

thats weird 🤔

SS should sim fairly well

[gusty yoke]

Even if SS did not sin high i would still use it

[drifting elbow]

dagger in the back one is very impractical one tho

[gusty yoke]

If feels so good to use

[pearl meteor]

Sim 6

Not 4

6+

[indigo plume]

Yeh I mean I see people running 3x SS even at 340 ilvl considering my 385 chest is only dagger in the back I doubt its better same with my liberators might shoulders

[pearl meteor]

Sim at 40s

6+

[drifting elbow]

that liberator trait suprises me being that good tho

[indigo plume]

I generally don't think there are many trash packs with 6+ unless you are doing a big pull so I went for an average 4 simming now regardless

[drifting elbow]

yea, its not really that enlightening information to see ur situation in m+

...

[pearl meteor]

If your only pulling a pack in m+ then yikes

[drifting elbow]

thats what happens with pug tanks 😛

[pearl meteor]

Then you shldnt b simming 1min either

[drifting elbow]

true

[wheat zealot]

With the affixes this week, big pulls on trash ez

[drifting elbow]

sure its easy but it all depends on tank

[pearl meteor]

If your pulling pack by pack n its takes a min good luck

[indigo plume]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/q5riEP6zzSPGPoLVDYpc4d either way it still says to not run

SS

[pearl meteor]

6

[desert pelican]

how many stacks of sharpened blades before release knife? any rules to use it? like in every tb window or so

[dreamy fiber]

SS is just scuffed in sims

[indigo plume]

that is 6 targets

at 40secs

[pearl meteor]

Yikes

[quick ice]

@desert pelican 29-30

[pearl meteor]

Run exsang for m+

Not tb

[desert pelican]

@quick ice hm, thx )

[quick ice]

don't think there's any need to do it at a particular time for sin

[indigo plume]

hol on forgot to swap to sub in the sim anyways Pog gonna resimm

[drifting elbow]

[gusty yoke]

I dont even care if SS sims good or not it makes assass feel do smooth

[pearl meteor]

Switch to exsang

[drifting elbow]

ofc now i see

[pearl meteor]

Ss sim is dumb with tb

[drifting elbow]

u were missing subterfuge

[pearl meteor]

Yikes

[indigo plume]

Yeah I just said that

[next grotto]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/h7ZbxX4wpPmmUPRMg9pojH

[indigo plume]

And I simmed with exsan before

worse than tb still

[pearl meteor]

Its better

[next grotto]

Is this good?

[pearl meteor]

Sure

🤷‍♀️

[drifting elbow]

we dont really know if its good toxic 😄

[gusty yoke]

Sinming is nice and all

But you still need to hit that simmed dps

[fallen sandal]

sim aoe arent relevant

[wheat zealot]

Simming ss with ma

[drifting elbow]

well at least big ones

[pearl meteor]

No comment

[drifting elbow]

are not that relevant to specific person not pulling a lot

[indigo plume]

Yes well done everyone has pointed out I forgot to change talent on one of the 4 sims I've run now

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rU4AuzfjKyuHC2MfnJm5mc

6 targets

40 secs

CT

sub

exsan

[pearl meteor]

Didnt listen

[indigo plume]

still says to not use it

or ss

oka

[pearl meteor]

Exsang is better

[drifting elbow]

there is exsan sim in that sim

[pearl meteor]

Im aware

Anyways you can run what you wish 😃

[drifting elbow]

at least top rogue pusher uses TB 🤷

[indigo plume]

I mean its just my alt so I don't care too much just seemed odd

[wheat zealot]

Personally, i would never use tb in m+

[fallen sandal]

musclebrah doesnt

[pearl meteor]

Top rogue

[gusty yoke]

i use tb cause my dumbass forgets to use exg

[fallen sandal]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/p7pZMpsbrHHjGouMSVJQHx

[pearl meteor]

Literally plays all 3 specs and talents and switches per dungeon

[drifting elbow]

yea this is my alt, too but i guess u can just test on mt dummies to see difference with TB and exsan than sims

🤔

[indigo plume]

I mean sure I will but thought it was odd that SS simmed so low across multiple targets I guess the api is just fucked or people use it regardless of the damage for the extra cp 🤷

[drifting elbow]

ah

u r using weekly

version

[indigo plume]

Should I not be?

[drifting elbow]

please try once more with nightly version in

im not even sure how often weekly version ever updates

[pearl meteor]

Ss is consistent, feels smoother and better 🤷‍♀️

[gusty yoke]

im still using my 340 SS shoulders over 370 rezan just cause it feels so good

[drifting elbow]

SS not simming at least on equal is odd cuz my sims always puts SS to good spot on mt short time 🤔

[indigo plume]

Sure I can understand that if it's just a playstyle thing I just thought it ALSO simmed highest which is why I was confused

[pearl meteor]

By better i meant its more dmg

[barren forge]

anyone ever seen a character jumping around all the time like hes lagging but has no lag?

[pearl meteor]

:p

Yes

[indigo plume]

I only have 2 ss traits and not 3 which might also be a problem

[pearl meteor]

Nop

[indigo plume]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mdXRm2UK9DdbqD1xihwThm nightly build says the same thing

[drifting elbow]

the hell

[pearl meteor]

Lol

[drifting elbow]

can those traits still be that good

[indigo plume]

🤷

[shrewd bane]

idk if i should use 3ss for mm (355x2 345x1) or my 385+370+370 pieces (titan + dd + Blightborne) :(
on pure trait simulation my higher stuff is ofc better but...

[indigo plume]

doubt it its liberators and dagger in the back for AoE

[drifting elbow]

well im sure chest with SS is clearly more dmg unless u can sit behind target 100% perfectly

[pearl meteor]

I wld tell every1 to run at least

1 ss

[fast nacelle]

yes

[pearl meteor]

For m+ specifically ofc

Then sim rest

[shrewd bane]

y ofc 1 ss

[gusty yoke]

i ran 1 m+ w/o any SS and it felt so bad

[wheat zealot]

Yikes

[pearl meteor]

Smoother

Consistent

Burst

[gusty yoke]

just told my team "drop it 1 lower or i drop off a building"

[pearl meteor]

Y i k e s

[twin hatch]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[pearl meteor]

[drifting elbow]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/huExnQQ5CtyeCR1BzNk9MY

🤷

[warm ruin]

Would 1 archive be better than 1 SS in Uldir?

[drifting elbow]

if its ur only raid trait

[pearl meteor]

Yes

[drifting elbow]

yes

[wheat zealot]

Whats the ilvls

[pearl meteor]

Doesn’t matter

[warm ruin]

I thought so, but wasn't sure, ty

[gusty yoke]

unless you only have like 1-2 stacks

i would go SS then

[warm ruin]

370. It's one piece

[pearl meteor]

Only raid trait always take

[warm ruin]

I haven't got any stacks yet

[shrewd bane]

raidbot quick sim is broken for me :(

[wheat zealot]

Oh go archive then

For sure

[shrewd bane]

c/c the simc text doesn't work

fu

[gusty yoke]

yeah i meant if you got 2 raid traits i would drop one for SS my bad

[warm ruin]

Ah, with you! That's my bad haha

Cheers guys

[pearl meteor]

[gusty yoke]

[pearl meteor]

Yes

@jaunty arrow

[jaunty arrow]

Cool i am not alone 😂

[pearl meteor]

Lmao

[jaunty arrow]

They fucked vectis like noone before 😂

[pearl meteor]

Oof

We reprogressed on ghuun

[jaunty arrow]

Inagine u got 3x vector dot

[pearl meteor]

Fun day.

Y i k e s

[jaunty arrow]

Like 3 not 1

Tell me how 🤔

[pearl meteor]

Monkeys

[gusty yoke]

my guild got that 4 wipes on HC while doing alt clear

[jaunty arrow]

I feels more like zookeeper

[gusty yoke]

whats the highest stacks you have seen someone go on vectis?

[jaunty arrow]

35

On wipe 😂

[gusty yoke]

[pearl meteor]

Tf

[jaunty arrow]

But he stay in him

Like during wipe

[gusty yoke]

our healer went 25 last night w/o wipe

[jaunty arrow]

But on kill highest was 8

Hope we kill fetit soon, also i will go zul with assa coz i can

[pearl meteor]

Benched

[jaunty arrow]

I hope so 😂

I dont want play lobo 2 spells 😒

[pearl meteor]

Y not

Play tornado is g

[harsh glacier]

what's the TB opener with Subt?

[jaunty arrow]

But still i hate this go to class bosses

[harsh glacier]

g-r-g-v-tb-env-m-m-env?

[pearl meteor]

With ss ye

[harsh glacier]

ye running 1 ss

[pearl meteor]

Ye u got it

[harsh glacier]

sick

then just vanish on cd?

no need to worry about using it with exsg, and it doesnt do much for tb I guess

[pearl meteor]

With ss when gar is falling off

Subt/ss best to reapply

[harsh glacier]

kk

[shrewd bane]

mhhh for mm+ isn't exsg better than tb ?

[jaunty arrow]

Yes but sim

[pearl meteor]

M+ yes

[jaunty arrow]

I do more dmg with tb but dunno why maybe i just sux with exs

[pearl meteor]

🙃

[jaunty arrow]

But still that burst is awesome

[harsh glacier]

doing 13.5k single target dps unbuffed at dummy @ 367 ilvl

seems ok

exsg seems easier to use for me tbh

my bleeds keep falling off during tb

[strong sundial]

U always extend dots before exs in m+?

[pearl meteor]

Mmm no, bosses yes

Big prio targets in high keys ye

[strong sundial]

K

[drifting elbow]

bleeds falling off during TB? 🤔

i think the point with them is to have them refreshed well before going into TB dmg

[strange python]

Any tips for add damage on mythic vectis?

[shrewd bane]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[jaunty arrow]

Dot it

[pearl meteor]

Lmao

Hit it

:^)

[jaunty arrow]

Kill it

Also add bite it

Depends on raid, i just use bleeds and switch again to boss

[harsh glacier]

oh wow

what happened to rogue stat weights?

mastery is trash now?

[wheat zealot]

Its not trash

But not as good as it was

[harsh glacier]

its equal to vers on bloodmallet

[pearl meteor]

Mastery is my 2nd 🙃

[harsh glacier]

https://bloodmallet.com/index.html#rogue_assassination?data_view=secondary_distributions

these stat distributions looked way different

like a week ago

just curious as to what changed

[pearl meteor]

Bloodmallet omegalul

[harsh glacier]

well herodamage doesnt do stat weights... sooo

🤷

[pearl meteor]

Sim

Yo

Self

Stat weights change with every single item u get

[harsh glacier]

I do, but myself is very different to stat values for the class in general

[pearl meteor]

Changes with talents as well

[harsh glacier]

my stat weights are based on my current stats, the bloodmallet weights are based on the class overall

so I just wanna know why mastery went from being valued at 30% -> 10%

[pearl meteor]

Cuz bloodmallet omegalul

[harsh glacier]

bloodmallet is just based on simcraft though right?

its the latest simcraft build

so idk what your prejudice is

[jaunty arrow]

I dont know but mustery still looks much better

[pearl meteor]

Bloodmallet sims a single set of talents lol n says its best for spec

Which is false

[harsh glacier]

well it says what spec its using

and its the same one that Im using

[forest hornet]

hey guys

[harsh glacier]

mastery also simming lowest stat for me

[desert vault]

Got love when a freehold 10 drops not one, oh no not two, but three 385 ... cloaks ... fml.

[pearl meteor]

[harsh glacier]

lower than vers even

[forest hornet]

someone got me a macro that counts the timer on shroud?

in chat

[strange python]

u cant do that

[pearl meteor]

Weakaura

[forest hornet]

or a weakaura if possible bc i saw in on stream

it*

[stable oxide]

Is it possible to configure that with the WA interface? Or do you need to script that.

[harsh glacier]

Anyone know if its a major dps loss to not use Sharpened Blades immediately on 30 stacks?

[strange python]

https://wago.io/rJLq0ErO7

[stable oxide]

The /s part

[harsh glacier]

or can I not worry too much about it

[forest hornet]

michee ur the best! ty bud!

[strange python]

Hey back again this week wondering if someone could take a look at some rogue logs 😃 ?

[harsh glacier]

chuck em up

[strange python]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/GTZJvcBYfwgH1nrk#fight=16&type=damage-done&source=153

Was here last week for a friend and was wondering if they're better now. Dmg still seems low but

Ur garrote and rup uptimes are garbo

[harsh glacier]

its on vectis

there's mandatory downtime

[strange python]

Im comparing it to mine

want another boss?

[harsh glacier]

oh ok

[strange python]

yes give another

[harsh glacier]

Ill look at fetid

[strange python]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/GTZJvcBYfwgH1nrk#fight=25&type=damage-done&source=153

theres fetid

[harsh glacier]

yeah bleed downtime is way too high

on fetid it should be close to 100%

[strange python]

yeah

ur dot uptimes are really bad

Last week he had bad uptime on TB

better now ?

[vague patrol]

70% yeah wtf

[harsh glacier]

he's doing the opener wrong too

he did TB -> Rupture

[strange python]

Also 4 TB in fetid

when u couldve gotten 6

[harsh glacier]

tell him to make sure rupture is up before TB in the opener

[strange python]

Wait

[harsh glacier]

during TB he should be focusing on getting as many envenoms as possible

[strange python]

Did you die on fetid? @strange python

[harsh glacier]

oyeah he died

he got bressed though

but might explain a bit of the downtime

[vague patrol]

how you die as a rogue on heroic fetid

?_?

[harsh glacier]

he got thrashed for 260k rofl

[vague patrol]

lmao

[strange python]

nice tanks

[vague patrol]

not running cheat death or what?

[strange python]

elusiv

whats another boss you could look at? didnt know he died

[harsh glacier]

Mythrax

also has a bleed uptime problem

[strange python]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/GTZJvcBYfwgH1nrk#fight=34&type=damage-done&source=153

[harsh glacier]

he didnt die on that one, but bleed uptimes are still a major issue

mythrax you can keep near to 100% uptimes

[vague patrol]

what about during phase tho

[harsh glacier]

you bleed the adds

[vague patrol]

unless it counts on the adsd

oh ok i wasnt sure if it was just boss uptime

[strange python]

Hes on big add int duty on phase 2

[harsh glacier]

can still keep bleeds on it

[strange python]

so should be able to keep bleeds up there

[harsh glacier]

his opener is better on mythrax

yeah Im gonna say its most likely just bleed uptimes screwing him up, he could work on getting more envenoms during TB too

[strange python]

Aight i'll let him know 😃 ty

Could i ask what his typical opener should be ?

do I still play subterfuge with only 1 SS trait?

sim urself

[spiral river]

can anyone quickly tell me if i should be envenoming on 4 combo points or allways at 5?

[pearl meteor]

Does he have ss?

[harsh glacier]

do you know if he has shrouded suffocation traits?

[strange python]

he does not

@spiral river Can you read the guide

?

[harsh glacier]

I dunno then soz aha

[pearl meteor]

@spiral river 4 is fine

[spiral river]

i read the ravenholdt guide

[strange python]

does raidbots sim account for the SS glitch?

No u didnt

https://gyazo.com/dbcd901b471b4b374364236d04a1e7c7

[inner pulsar]

@strange python No it doesn't, because it doesnt exist any more

[strange python]

Literally says it right here rofl

oh thank you, didn't know it was fixed

[pearl meteor]

Gar mut rup ven mut tb env mut mut env @strange python

Make sure all finishers are 4+ cp tho

[spiral river]

@strange python ty

[strange python]

@pearl meteor is this the opener without SS traits ?

[pearl meteor]

Yes

[strange python]

aight cool <2

[pearl meteor]

<2

[inner pulsar]

@strange python Not bringing my laptop to work today, maybe I won't get muted

Probably not though

[strange python]

😄

[harsh glacier]

do you sim yourself at work too?

[quick ice]

so here's possibly a silly questtion, but why are exsang/not-exsang separated on herodamage? (if anyone know)

is it just tradtion?

[pearl meteor]

Bc traits that r bis r diff

For each

[harsh glacier]

yeah TB has different shit going on than Exsg

[quick ice]

yeah but now that they have the alt-talent enabled?

I mean, dark/env are merged for sub

[harsh glacier]

🤷

[inner pulsar]

I stimulate myself all day

[autumn garnet]

hey guys, when opening, im using garrote, but then do i mut until i can get a 5pt rupture or do i just do a 2-3 pt rupture when opening on a targ?

[blissful saddle]

Scroll up like 2 minutes ago @autumn garnet

[pearl meteor]

4+

[autumn garnet]

thx

[blissful saddle]

^ all the additional data to go a long with it was just written out

[velvet kernel]

you guys playing pb or ct this week for high keys?

[pearl meteor]

Depends on comp

Pb for me

[velvet kernel]

Ty^^

[mossy hazel]

Nice, think I managed to run an accurate sim without being home with the gear I forgot to equip last night, and I can run talent compares with it. Lol

Advanced is interesting

[elder cypress]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uNbe5aABRLqy7z5wAuF7Ai

[mossy hazel]

And of course, MA still doesn't sim higher for me...

[high siren]

hm

[mossy hazel]

Do MP or NS ever sim well at this point?

[high siren]

fathoms doesn't sim hier for you @elder cypress ?

[elder cypress]

higher?

why should it

[high siren]

oh, that's a 2min fight

[pearl meteor]

Yes itll sin higher

Sim

[high siren]

because fathoms sims usually really well for anyone

[elder cypress]

cant really imagina that fathoms is more worthy than gale and dice

[high siren]

well, it is

[pearl meteor]

Fathoms = 380/385 dice

[high siren]

because numbers

[solid nova]

Sim it

Post results

[elder cypress]

i have no fathoms 😦

[solid nova]

Gear compare

[mossy hazel]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/83adkn6KwSxuusaQDpMZW2

TB STILL higher than exsang..

[high siren]

@elder cypress don't forget to put 5 mins if you want more relevant results

unless you're simming for fetid HC

[elder cypress]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jBvurpjiCSNWbE7UkhrfKR

with fatoms

not that much more that i will waste the gold

[high siren]

you won't easily find better until next tier

[solid nova]

Well im still not sure why you're running 2minute sims

Unless its for something specific

[mossy hazel]

I actually had the mythic haste trinket from taloc last night, and when we went to do our HC farm, I got the trinket from fetid. Both are way higher ilvl than fathoms, and sims still said to keep fathoms, and replace 385 with the 370

[hard sonnet]

yeah fathoms is top tier, if u look at logs, almost everyone has one

[elfin pecan]

is toxic blade better than exsanguiate for dps?

[pearl meteor]

Depends

On gear

[mossy hazel]

TB sims higher for me right now by 1.1%

[quick void]

Fathoms is just overtuned which sucks

[hard sonnet]

do you guys drop galecaller before you apply rupture etc? i assume it doesnt work if dots already on the targeet?

[quick void]

I have 2 380,385 trinkets and none of them have higher dps than Fathoms

[high siren]

@hard sonnet it does

dots are dynamic

[quick void]

That 380 boon though. Must be amazing to use

Only have mine in 355 :S

[high siren]

got a 390 one 😛

[quick void]

reeeeee

[high siren]

[quick void]

Is Exsanguinate actually becoming viable?

[elder cypress]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/g5X97Mb1pwD6BGisCf5zm4

[mossy hazel]

Sang has been viable for a while

[elder cypress]

0,7% for fathoms

[high siren]

yeah it is, with my haste getting higher, it's now better than TB, even without SS

[mossy hazel]

What's your haste at?

[high siren]

around 20%

and like 26% in uldir

[quick void]

I have 20% haste aswell but I alwaysroll with TB

[high siren]

something like this

[quick void]

Will try Sang next raidrun for sure.

[high siren]

practice a little before

the playstyle is not the same at all

[mossy hazel]

I actually didn't want to switch to sang, but I've ended up really liking it

[quick void]

I can imagine its, refresh dots, sang, repeat

[mossy hazel]

NOt sure I'll switch BACK to tb, even though it's 1.1% higher

[quick void]

Combining it with Vanish

[high siren]

it really shine on vulnerable phases boss

like ghuun or fetid

[hard sonnet]

i got issues with sustaining my initial burst from opening, got a good opener, but it drops off almost instantly after vendetta is gone. what do you guys usually do between major cds downtime?

[blissful saddle]

Sudoku

[high siren]

drink some tea

[mossy hazel]

Some pooling, holding a sec or 2 while waiting for pandemic windows

[fading spade]

Afk usually

[elder cypress]

u can only sustain dps by rupture anything at 5+ mobs

[lyric crater]

question is the bleed build good or still crap

[pearl meteor]

Hit mut a few times

[elder cypress]

and then spam envenom

[pearl meteor]

Keep up dots

[kind dock]

Finally came back from my mage! Had to switch to range as we had 2 casters in guild but back after 3 weeks.. still 1 shrouded 1 archive 1 laser matrix for top azerite or?

[inner pulsar]

So proud of all of you ....

[hard sonnet]

well im just talking about single target dps, i only got 16.8% haste missing like 5 pieces of gear with haste, feel like im always pretty drained on energy, i mean i know sin is supposed to be slowest of the classes, but i feel like im losing dps if im just pooling when i got plenty of dot time up

[kind dock]

Haha I always sim I'm just at work and cant :(

[strange python]

So sim when u get back from work

[hard sonnet]

for sin think archive is still better than laser, so do 1ss, 2 archive

[strange python]

I sim 16.6 and feel like i perform significantly worse than i use to....

@hard sonnet please stop giving stupid answers

[quick void]

I only sim 15,9 mostly because my traits are bad 😦

[inner pulsar]

@strange python Laying down the law, love it

[fading spade]

Best I do is 15.5 running 1 archive and 2 SS. Can't get better. Luck isnt with me

[quick void]

Swirling sands, archive and blightborne. Feelsbad

[high siren]

have a chest with ruinous bolt, 385

[quick void]

Had a rogue on Ghuun HC and he was doing fkn 17.8k after the boss got to 10% hp. Had 3 stacked archives

[high siren]

which was an upgrade

so yeah

[hard sonnet]

shit my b, just looked at the chart, yeah 1 LM better than 2 archive

[mossy hazel]

I have 3x archive as of last night. Not sure how that's going to turn out

[strange python]

@hard sonnet can u stop

[hard sonnet]

srsly

[keen inlet]

...

[mossy hazel]

There's no "this is best" combo

[hard sonnet]

based on the azurite sims?

[inner pulsar]

Womp womp

[visual token]

There is only sim.

[mossy hazel]

It's based on all your other stats and gear, so you take the best you get based on your sims

[solid nova]

Character specific sims > Generic weightings

[inner pulsar]

@visual token This man gets it (or woman, don't mean to assume)

[slate jacinth]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[kind dock]

Yeah first night back on rogue picked up 370 laser matrix helm, 370 archive shoulders and the 370 dagger off mother. Already have a 385 SS chest

[verbal nimbus]

i hate you

[mild lintel]

whats the best rogue spec for aoe?

[mossy hazel]

We all do, @verbal nimbus , we all do

[strange python]

@mild lintel holy

[mild lintel]

lol

[verbal nimbus]

lOl

[shadow pivot]

what do you call aoe

[mossy hazel]

Depends on the situation

[mild lintel]

zul fight

[kind dock]

Lol <3 @verbal nimbus

[mossy hazel]

Zul is sub

[mild lintel]

kk

[hushed maple]

Hey guys. is it important, which dagger is in which hand and which enchant is on which?

[mossy hazel]

Look at top rankings on warcraft logs. Lol. It's like top 200 rogues are all sub

[vestal wren]

it does not matter what enchant is on what hand

[mossy hazel]

For Zul fight

[verbal nimbus]

sub parses are being cheesed

[vestal wren]

highest dps in mh

[shadow pivot]

its a specific cheese strat in mythic tho prototype

[mossy hazel]

What's the cheese?

[sturdy python]

It's not really cheese

It's just sub's strength

[verbal nimbus]

keep crags alive, fan and evisc

[mossy hazel]

Yea, isn't it just leave adds alive?

Yea I wouldn't really call that cheese honestly, but I don't know shit, so there's that. Lol

[strange python]

its not cheese

rofl

[verbal nimbus]

the strat isnt cheese, guilds bringing in 5+ rogues to do it is cheese

[sturdy python]

Well that's true I suppose

But can't blame them

[shadow pivot]

well intentionally putting more pressure on your healers and tanks to improve the dps of 4-5 person playing the same specific spec that performs better this way

[mossy hazel]

Psh, should always have 5+ rogues

[shadow pivot]

call it how you want

[sturdy python]

More pressure? It's going to make the fight easier

[mossy hazel]

My guild's slacking. Only 3 rogues in core

[sturdy python]

They aren't doing It to parse well

[verbal nimbus]

it pushes zul to phase 2 very quickly

ignoring add phase mostly

[mild lintel]

should I use crimson with exsang for aoe?

[shadow pivot]

it makes phase 2 easier for healers indeed since less stats, but its still much more pressure in first phase

less stacks*

[cerulean depot]

Does p1 even matter tho? Skipping all the adds with 5 rogues is so worth it

[inner pulsar]

With Fetid being so much easier after the change, I think we are about to see a whole lot more folks doing Zul

[strange python]

guys, I was wondering, is 2x SB and 1xLM all three at 385 ilvl decent for M+ ?

Or I need to farm for at least 2xSS

Cause I tested it in Atal Dazar +10 and it felt kinda lackluster

[wintry compass]

SS is just so solid in M+ cause you can stealth so often

[civic hinge]

From my experience, SS is still hella strong for m+, I wear 340 items and do more overall dmg than with my 385

[jaunty arrow]

Exs open g-r-gc-g-ven-muti-r-exs-vanish -g-g-r?

[strange python]

damn, it feels so wrong to change 385 to 340 gear ...

thanks for the info 😃

[civic hinge]

I feel you

Double so as nightelf, Re stealth every 2 min additional to vanish makes it so freaking strong

[strange python]

... sad but what can you do .... blizzard wants us to prio "item level"

hah ...

I dont think shadowmeld works in raids and m+ though

when enountering a boss

[daring imp]

well you won't lose THAT much if you don't run 3x ss, but do run atleast one for m+ for smooth cleaving

even if it's 340

[mossy hazel]

Yea, I'm holding onto the 340 SS I just replaced last night

[daring imp]

odds are that on fortified weeks you'll be better of with other stuff instead of 3x SS when on high keys

stuff lives for too long

but on low/mid keys tho ... ss is king

[candid kayak]

!ss

[hushed maple]

Hey guys, I just received my first Galecallers Boon. Its 340 tho, but what is my rotation now? Exhanguinate is key if you have one, as I heard. How is my rota now with 1SS minimum? G R G M R V Exh. trinket?

[hollow void]

When i use vendetta mid fight with vanish what do i do?

[glass vessel]

@hushed maple rotation for Subt/Exsang is the same whether you have 1, 2, or 3 SS. G>R>G>M>R>Ven>Gale>Exsang iirc

always make sure to drop gale BEFORE exsang

[hushed maple]

Okay thank you

Do I line gale with exhang all the time? Or if they happen to come of kinda simultaniously?

[glass vessel]

use them on CD, but line everything up with Vendetta when they are all up. the 4th Exsang should mimic your opener

[onyx ferry]

guys, ive switched from outlaw, last night i was having trouble doing good damage on zekvoz. My traits are DDx1, Blightborn infusion x1 and twist the knife x1. Was going with MA and TB. Any tips on how to talent and dps on that fight? i have 2xSS too on my bags. Thanks!

[glass vessel]

Ven/Exsang/Gale on opener, Exsang 45s, Gale 1min, Exsang 1min 30s, Vendetta/Gale/Exsang 2min 15s

[hushed maple]

Take 1DD and 2SS

Blightborn and twist are pretty meh

[onyx ferry]

so should i go with subterfuge and exsanguinate?

[glass vessel]

ive never personally ran exsang without subterfuge

[ashen compass]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[onyx ferry]

so when small adds spawn i just fan of knives and envenom spam or should i dot them up?

[glass vessel]

i'd imagine MA isnt too far off if you like that playstyle better

which fight? Zekvoz?

[onyx ferry]

yep

[glass vessel]

heroic or mythic?

[onyx ferry]

heroic

[glass vessel]

just spam, they die quickly

[mossy hazel]

Priority is weaver, just spam the little dudes and dump on weaver

[glass vessel]

on mythic you do the same but you want to dot up the caster add

[onyx ferry]

ok thanks, i figure that SS is the best for that fight for the other adds then

[glass vessel]

yea it's strong

[quartz drift]

Dagger in the back sims higher than it can actually parse in reality, right?

I think the sims assume you’re 100% always hitting from behind

[hot flume]

Guys I have an issue with warcraft logs

Here it says I hit 2 ppl with eye beam on 2nd minute

In the replay I'm in the top corner :/ did it happen to anyone else ?

[high siren]

where does that come from ?

wipefest ?

[glass vessel]

why doe Construct Overcharger have to be such hot garbage

[hot flume]

Any idea how this is possible ?

[sturdy python]

That picture is showing where people died?

[hot flume]

No it's our posistioning

And how can I strike the hunter and the priest in the bottom corner when I'm alone on top

[sturdy python]

Oh, then people were inside the beam when it went off

[dark crag]

390 charge here, hot steaming garbage

[hot flume]

Nope they are like 50 yards away at least

[sturdy python]

Someone had to be out of position I'd assume

[hot flume]

We are on different edges of the screen

[sturdy python]

If not that then idk

[glass vessel]

@dark crag yep got a 385 + socket and it was barely an upgrade over 365 dice.. but it skyrockets my ilvl x)

[desert kelp]

Which is better for Pvp anyone knows? TtK+ Earthlink 370 ilvl or 355 SoB + OP ? shoulder piece

[dark crag]

Freehold hates me, no dice and sword

[supple hearth]

@desert kelp sob.

[desert kelp]

Thank you

[supple hearth]

Ttk is reduced effectiveness in pvp

Unfortunately

[desert kelp]

I see, better for PvE tho?

[supple hearth]

You should sim but the ilvl difference might be important there.

[desert kelp]

Will check that's true

Also, ouch

[supple hearth]

We will still be okay

[desert kelp]

I'm sure we will, but it does feel a little bad to get nerfed so har

[supple hearth]

Of course lol

[desert kelp]

Atleast Turbo got nerfed a bit

[alpine grotto]

Tbh when they going to nerf pallies or dh cause they hit like trucks

[desert kelp]

or arms...

20% dmg reduction to taken and doing

[supple hearth]

Pally probably not. Dh is complained about a lot will maybe see a nerf

[desert kelp]

and still doing huge dmg

[alpine grotto]

And people complain about our damage

[supple hearth]

Warriors are always very strong season 1s

[desert kelp]

Rogue dmg is nothing vs Arms

and oh boy a proper Turbo comp

[native saddle]

What trinkets should I be aiming for? Galecallers/Loaded Dice, or is Fathoms still better?

[supple hearth]

@native saddle sim. But fathoms is good for a long time

[errant mauve]

aside from energy regen and attack speed what else does haste increase?

[desert kelp]

lowers GCD

I believe

[light rampart]

bleed procs.

[alpine grotto]

I have dice and fathoms but dice and gale best I would say if they are both higher than fathoms.

[desert kelp]

Used to at the very least not sure anymore

[light rampart]

the most important one

[dark crag]

Not for rogues

[light rampart]

not procs, tics

[alpine grotto]

Still need my gale

[inner pulsar]

It does not lower the fed

[errant mauve]

so bleed tics occur faster... so it reduces the amount of time the bleed is applied for while maintaining the same dmg?

[inner pulsar]

Gcd

[dark crag]

Same duration but faster ticks

[alpine grotto]

Fathoms is just op won’t really be able to top it until next raid if we are lucky .

[errant mauve]

so it adds tics into the garrote or rupture?

where as say it was 10 tics but with x haste you get 1 or 2 more tics out of it?

[tired helm]

Ex or toxic blade?

[dark crag]

Normal is 1 tick every 2 secs, haste makes it faster 1 tick every 1.3 secs as example

[desert kelp]

Toxic Blade is better most of the time I believe

[errant mauve]

yeah so basically its adding tics to the bleed effect causing more dmg to occur of the same period of time?

[alpine grotto]

@vague kernel fathoms dice/gale/doom but I would sim it.

[desert kelp]

yes

[alpine grotto]

A combo of them 4 I would say.

[indigo verge]

how much energy do u guys pool before toxic blade

and if toxic blade is up but ur bleeds are coming off, do u reapply bleeds first?

[alpine grotto]

The pvp ones sim well as well

[agile phoenix]

guys how does exsanguinate exactly work? Do i have to use it when my bleeds are at their max lenght ?

[errant mauve]

is there a chart anywhere showing what % haste does to the bleed tics?

[agile phoenix]

how manny secs does exsang. stay ?

[alpine grotto]

The raid trinkets are truly awful

[desert kelp]

Exsang is the whole duration

forces them to bleed at double pace

[agile phoenix]

so if my bleed is 30 secs its 30 secs ?

[desert kelp]

no

15

[tired helm]

no 15

[agile phoenix]

ah yea half of 30

[desert kelp]

cause it halves the duration needed on tehm

[agile phoenix]

oke and after i use exs. and i refresh my bleed somehow do i lose the gain ?

[desert kelp]

yes

[tired helm]

refresh just as they drop off

no earlier

[agile phoenix]

so let the bleed drop of oke

I know this question is asked a lot but just in case. Is ss still bugged ?

!ss

[tired helm]

define bugged

its working as intended

[agile phoenix]

so we can use a garrote out subterfurge and it doesnt cancel the ss buff ?

[somber egret]

How’s Ass doing on Zul M?

[alpine grotto]

No idea until we get pass zek

[tired helm]

theres only 1 recorded kill on mythic zul and they done 30k dps

[alpine grotto]

That’s not bad

[somber egret]

5 mill or so zul maybe. So not bad

[hollow stone]

Sin on zul. Lul

[tired helm]

3.66m zul damage

[inner pulsar]

Haha

[tired helm]

trash tbh

[agile phoenix]

I feel like I lack some ST dps

[inner pulsar]

No Apple, let it be

[somber egret]

Eww 3.6?!!

[winter fog]

how come no one's talking about pooling energy before using a finisher so that I get full usage of elaborate planning?

[tired helm]

put it this way average sub on zul = 6m

sin was 3.6m

[hollow stone]

Literally the only thing the sub disc talks about is zul

[inner pulsar]

Like I’ve been watching these guys for 10 minutes

[tired helm]

to be fair the sin only tried to aoe

[somber egret]

I thought it would be higher than 3.6. Jesu

[tired helm]

which was bad

highest damage fan of knives

[hollow stone]

Play sub lol

[tired helm]

not even running hidden blades

[somber egret]

Yeah nonshit now

[agile phoenix]

assa ST is bad ?

[tired helm]

no

[strange python]

yes

[tired helm]

just on that fight

[hollow stone]

Lol

[inner pulsar]

@hollow stone this is so good

[tired helm]

sub gains a million combo points for eviscerates

[hollow stone]

Its not bad... sub is just really good for that fight; its a perfect situation for sub

So perfect that guilds 3 tank it and kite the crawgs around the sub rogues for max cheese

[inner pulsar]

Not cheese

[hollow stone]

Giving up a whole dps for more sub rogue

[inner pulsar]

Strategy, tactics

[hollow stone]

Yes, clever game mechanics. Not cheese at all

[inner pulsar]

Just because you live on cheese

[hollow stone]

:p

[quartz drift]

Does DITB sim higher than it actually does in game?

[hollow stone]

🧀 👑

Yes @quartz drift

[quartz drift]

Fug. Got a 370 head with that being the only good trait

[inner pulsar]

I have to get more mastery gear though, because I need to drop haste so that reorg array picks up mastery on zip

Zip

[hollow stone]

You can cheese array stacks too 😉

[inner pulsar]

Orly?

[quartz drift]

My array stacks are mastery atm and it breaks my heart

[hollow stone]

Take off gear til the stat you want is highest, zone into raid, put gear back on after you get the right array stack

[modest zodiac]

Archive, twist, or scent in m+?

[strange python]

DPEENDS

but archive prob

[inner pulsar]

I feel like you ask that question in here every day

[modest zodiac]

no i asked about cleave fights in uldir

[inner pulsar]

@hollow stone Do stacks fall when you die?

As in would I need to do that each pull?

[hollow stone]

Idk for sure as i havent done it myself but guildies said it worked. I think you keep the stat you zone in with until you leave the raid so dying shouldnt reset it

[candid phoenix]

!ss

[hollow stone]

Fixed

[candid phoenix]

ye i didnt check mmo lately

so i jsut read it

and was like rly?

[hollow stone]

Rly ely

[candid phoenix]

@hollow stone array works dynamically tho, so i dont see how that can work

[tired helm]

wow just had a 39k opener

first time with TB rofl

[candid phoenix]

my TB crits for 30k+ on pull now

[wheat zealot]

Ma too im guessing? @tired helm

[tired helm]

no

sub

[inner pulsar]

@hollow stone All good, thanks for the heads up though, will definitely help

[hollow stone]

Like i said, havent tested myself. But was told by guildies that it works @candid phoenix

[candid phoenix]

i dnt know, for me array changes frequently during fights. when i zone it its crit, when i eat haste food it becomes haste. and depending on the weapon enchant procs it changes multiple times during a fight 😄

[tired helm]

i have a 370 dread gladiators trinket

prob helps ha

[candid phoenix]

i got 380 badge @tired helm xD

[tired helm]

legit first time playing TB and didnt expect that opener rofl i

[candid phoenix]

on my best opener so far, i reached 48k dps on Vectis

w/o cleaving the add

[tired helm]

i was on mother

[ripe comet]

the tb opener is stronger then exsang now ?

[tired helm]

yea defs lol

[candid phoenix]

exsang w/o SS sims so low for me anyway

[ripe comet]

never drop all SS :<

[tired helm]

im running 1x SS

with TB

[strange python]

thing is

who cares about the opener

[candid phoenix]

why keep an SS when my azerites sim 500-600 dps higher 😄

[strange python]

Overall dps matters

[ripe comet]

because the opener feels fucking awefull without SS :D

[candid phoenix]

no it doesnt?

[crisp steppe]

I have a different opinion than you!!!

[tired helm]

it feels

[strange python]

subjective

case closed

[tired helm]

awful after running it imo

but thats like saying feelsdps>simdps

[hollow stone]

I think ma/tb no ss opener feels less frantic, i dont mind it at all

[tired helm]

with ma would be fine

sub without SS tho :S

[strange python]

Sub without SS sims 1dps lower for me than MA

[hollow stone]

Which is kinda funny since both openers require you to fill every gcd

Subt w/o ss still grg or..?

[strange python]

nope

[wheat zealot]

Gmr

[strange python]

gar mut rup

[tired helm]

yea but sub without SS feels disgusting imo haha

[wheat zealot]

To me it doesnt

[hollow stone]

It would feel wrong (to me) to run subt and doing gmr opener

[vocal wave]

When you Exsang unEmp'd Garrotes and Ruptures, can you pandemic them? Or do you need to treat them like Emp Garrote and let them drop off?

[tired helm]

drop off

[vocal wave]

Ah, so they become stronger versions of themselves

[tired helm]

ya

[vocal wave]

Gotcha

[wheat zealot]

They just tick faster

[hollow stone]

They tick twice as fast

[drifting elbow]

better not touch exsan affected bleeds regardless of buffs

[tired helm]

if u reapply after exsang u lose it

[cold inlet]

Whats the opener look like if you dont have SS and are running Master Assassin?

[vocal wave]

Yeah they tick twice as fast, but seems like the old bleeds are "removed" and replaced by buffed versions. So I was just wondering if I should let them drop or if I can pandemic them. I got my answer, cheers

[strange python]

@vocal wave you pandemic before exang

Then let them completely drop off

@cold inlet Check the guide on site 😃

[cold inlet]

Oh didnt realize it was updated thanks

[inner pulsar]

Did they update it? Because it was wrong yesterday

[alpine rain]

sub or sin for Zek'vos?

keep in mind the small adds die even before moving to the next void weaver

on mythic

[unkempt gulch]

sub probably, i tried sin on that fight and it was not very good

[vocal wave]

Let's say there's 10 secs on Exsang left, Garotte is just about to fall off and Rupture has just been reapplied.

Do I: Garrote once, wait till Exsang comes off CD and then Garrote and reapply Rupture even if it's not in pandemic range and then Exsang?

or B: Garrote and when Exsang comes off CD, hold it until I can pandemic Rupture and Garotte?

[fluid bobcat]

I know Pandemic is something of the old

But can't see anything about it on our guide page

[flat ocean]

30% of max duration can be added to your next buff

for rupture it's 8 seconds?

[rancid oxide]

Just started vectis prog last night, should I consider master poisoner for more self healing? Is the dps loss severe?

[alpine rain]

MP self healing O_o

am i missing something?

[flat ocean]

i assume he means with leeching

and probably not

[rancid oxide]

Yee

[flat ocean]

tell ur healers to get good

[alpine rain]

seelf healing should neever be a reason to change tallents in a raid scenario tbh...

[flat ocean]

it can be

but not on vectis

[alpine rain]

in 90% of cases its healers that need to git gud...

[flat ocean]

yeah

[rancid oxide]

Well we only have 4 healers so our 5th healer is off specing

And doesn't have good weapons

Or trinkets

[alpine rain]

pretty sure you would still get more value out of EP

as it increases all dmg done

melee to bleeds

= more healing?

[flat ocean]

probably

check rogue healing logs lmao

[alpine rain]

ROFL

[fluid bobcat]

But do you actually let the DOTs run out with Exsanguinate?

[alpine rain]

You could allways buy some Alchemy potions too

they work with Lock stones

[rancid oxide]

Yeah I've been using them

[torpid crag]

340 SS piece or 370 piece with Tidal Surge for M+? Im not sure this week tbh

[flat ocean]

That's a vague question

Like what other pieces do you have?

[torpid crag]

Archive and Laser Matrix

[flat ocean]

1 ss trait is really nice for M+

[wheat zealot]

You need at least 1

So go with the ss

[flat ocean]

ive been testing the other build in M+

no ss with MA and TB

Feels trash tbhs

even this week

[wheat zealot]

I bet lol

[errant mauve]

So go with 1 SS even if your dps sims higher with the other piece?

[gloomy fog]

yeah

[fluid bobcat]

Should't you allways use 3x SS?

[flat ocean]

yeah

[wheat zealot]

Ss is scuffed in sims

So yes

[alpine rain]

O_O

[flat ocean]

you dont need 3 ss at all anymore

[torpid crag]

Sucks being hardstuck with 1x SS on a low ilvl piece but w/e I guess

[alpine rain]

3x SS ?

[errant mauve]

Why’s it scuffed in sims?

[alpine rain]

1 is enough

[flat ocean]

after ss nerf u mostly take it for the cp generation

and how it smooths out opener

good for multi target dmg too

[alpine rain]

opener w/o SS is pretty cancer

[flat ocean]

^

in raids i play MA TB build w/o ss

feels bad man

[alpine rain]

let me apply bleeds for like 10 seconds straight

[flat ocean]

but performs well

so w/e

[errant mauve]

So what’s the deal with SS in sims

[fluid bobcat]

Yeah, but i see all these peps doing +12 keys running 3x SS

Can't sim the SS build

[errant mauve]

Why?

[alpine rain]

if you have high ilvl pieces with triple SS try it out

but no reason to gimp ilvl for SS stacks

[fluid bobcat]

the rotation that raidbots uses does not consider different playstyles based on azorite traits

Jellytots, can you link your char please?

[alpine rain]

sec

https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/draenor/Jeliytots

[tired helm]

agi or bursting blood pre pots

[wheat zealot]

Agi is what i use in all situations

[alpine rain]

Single target burst aoe agi

doesnt make too big of a difference tho

i use agi for everything

[torpid crag]

are u guys using CT for Zul or PB ?

[wheat zealot]

Playing sin on zul, y i k e s

[grim mason]

I play sin on Zul

[mossy hazel]

^

[torpid crag]

I don't have any good traits for Sub

[grim mason]

guys i pug with use the mongol strat

meh

[wheat zealot]

I wouldnt, but to each their own

[fading spade]

Still sad that no matter what I sim and what gear sims I run, 2x SS and one archive beats all my other azerite gear

[grim mason]

is the pvp nerf live for sin ?

[mossy hazel]

I have no interest in playing sub, not going to bother learning it for 1 fight

[fading spade]

I'm stuck lol

[wheat zealot]

Its not really challenging, but i see where youre coming from

[mossy hazel]

Yea, I've just literally never played it so I'd be starting from scratch

[inner pulsar]

@wheat zealot maybe they didn’t mean mythic zul

[wheat zealot]

Thats true

[mossy hazel]

I'm not on mythic zul yet, but I probably won't be switching when we get there unless RL demands it honestly

[wheat zealot]

They will im sure

[mossy hazel]

Just not my thing

[inner pulsar]

But if you don’t play sub on m zul, in the current state of affairs, you should be sat