In fact I will still slap on my SS pieces for heroic fetid for the lulz
#assassination
placid elbow
i use Subterfuge and SS
because i feel like MA just feels slow and not as effective
inner pulsar
Lol
calm grail
The thing about feelings...
placid elbow
lul
I have some azerite pieces that supports the MA talent but i did not do well with it on Fetid for example
inner pulsar
We are about that Factcraft in here, no feelcraft
calm grail
And that's fine, playing what works well for you, but numerically you might be incorrect.
If you were talking about pure optimization
hollow stone
I wish ma was 100% and lasted 5sec. But thats be op
eager frost
master assassin runs at .04% dps increase time to swap ez
calm grail
I too wish I had my legendary shoulders back
placid elbow
well numerically, the MA talent with the other gear is about a 200dps increase via Sim
hollow stone
;$
calm grail
That might be big enough to be worth looking into practicing my dude.
inner pulsar
I wish I lasted 5 seconds
placid elbow
BUT, SS and Subterfuge feels smoother and the damage is higher for me in live action than MA and DD for example lol
pastel wasp
That’s what she said
pastel wasp
Lol
inner pulsar
Sorry, sorry everyhone
@placid elbow How long did you play with MA?
Did you practice on the dummy with it?
placid elbow
@inner pulsar mmm i gave it about two days worth.
And yes, i spend a lot of time at the dummy lol
safe canopy
for crimsons tempest m+ build its just crit /mast stacking right?
calm grail
Let's start with what traits you were using where it simulated better.
placid elbow
My life is Dummy>Anchor Weed>M+>Raid>Dummy
mmm the head piece is Archive, Shoulder is Blood Rite (Or Scent of Blood), Chest is either SS or DD
calm grail
And also, if you're only practice with it was on fetid I can understand why you wouldn't like it numerically.
placid elbow
well, i used fetid as an example only
calm grail
What about it do you think you botched?
placid elbow
usually, the dummy is where i mostly test it lol
inner pulsar
I think sometimes people inflate the difference that using MA over Subt is all. You mentioned it was Fetid, you would actually only use that sequence two times in a kill, one time if you didn't kill him
placid elbow
which i spend HOURs at haha
mmmm my openers are right i believe Niralath, i don't think i'm doing anything wrong tbh
quasi willow
late to the convo but, looking at that opener, that looks absolutely solid
calm grail
Take your feelings.
placid elbow
on average, i just pull more DPS with SS and Subterfuge vs MA and DD even though MA+ DD is showing 200 more DPS via sims
calm grail
And throw them in the trash then.
quasi willow
NJ Niralath
calm grail
TY
inner pulsar
@placid elbow No, you feel like you do, if you are executing the openers correctly, you would do more damage with MA
calm grail
Yeah but the they're both fine. I'd say SS/Subterfuge is better for fights like G'huun.
But I use MA anyways.
That's my best setup.
placid elbow
@inner pulsar i mean, i use what the APL says to use lol
it'll be hard to screw up the opener
inner pulsar
Obviously what you play makes no difference to me, but that statement was inaccurate. Either way, you seem set in your desire to use SS, so keep on keeping on
cloud iron
I honestly don’t understand why DD is so high in like sims and herodamage
calm grail
On the plus side, SS is really good and fun for m+
cloud iron
My logs on like EVERY fight even a 99% parse
calm grail
So that's good.
calm grail
I think 3 to 4% is still pretty damn good.
placid elbow
Which of my statement is inaccurate? That it's hard to screw up the opener? lol. I'm only using SS because it's pulling more DPS even though it sims lower for me.
calm grail
That's where mine usually hovers.
cloud iron
Compared to 6.5% sharpened?
placid elbow
Obviously, i'm gonna use what i want to use lol but just weird IMO.
calm grail
🤔
cloud iron
I mean I’ll link the log if I’m doing something stupid wrong
inner pulsar
@placid elbow You said "on average, i just pull more DPS with SS and Subterfuge vs MA and DD even though MA+ DD is showing 200 more DPS via sims"
calm grail
Really? 6.5% sharpened? Let me see a lot for that.
There are probably some variables you're not thinking about.
cloud iron
When I get home I’ll find it, because I was confused too
calm grail
Fight length, did you actually mutilate enough stuff like that
inner pulsar
If you are executing the rotations correctly, it would be impossible for you to do less damage with MA
cloud iron
I guess maybe depends on what I’m hitting, and maybe not using enough muta in evenom window
cloud iron
But I still parsed like 99%
cloud iron
That’s where my parse is
inner pulsar
But anyway, like I said, doesn't matter, no one is changing your mind
hollow escarp
anybody knows what buff is this?
calm grail
Ranged adds from p1
placid elbow
I mean, it legit doesn't pull more in a 5 minute dummy session non -stop. BUT, as you stated, no one is changing my mind until it actually shows higher damage for me. Maybe if i get another DD, it'll be a bigger difference.
Until then, i'll just use what works for me 😃
cloud iron
I got 2 385 Azerites, one dd and the other sharpened
hasty crater
any1 knows why the archive piece sims lower than the laser matrix piece ?
nvm i know why, just saw it has OP, mb
placid elbow
maybe stat priority?
cloud iron
Op is busted
hasty crater
yeah sims 200 higher bit insane
hasty crater
agi most of the time, sim it tho for some people haste sims higher than agi
placid elbow
gotchu
well, gotta find a socket first but i'll remember for next time haha
gotta find a better server to xfer to
Bonechewer realm is garbage
hasty crater
are u alliance or horde / u pve or pvper
hasty crater
well if ur EU then go Tarren-mill or Twisting Nether id say
hasty crater
how much haste u have
high wadi
so i still cant nail it down to an opener and in which order i should use TB and vanish
nimble condor
how to sim myself but with various enchants on my weapons?
hasty crater
opener depends on if u have SS or even run subterfuge
dark token
question for you guys, exsang snapshots current haste
does it snapshot vendetta
or does vendetta dynamically update the exsang dmg
high wadi
i have 1 ss and subterfuge
inner pulsar
WHere did that guy go with the 12k dps mythic vectis logs?
dark token
12k 🤢
inner pulsar
No
teal glen
https://puu.sh/BIX85/bbf657bff0.png finally in the 16k club, and it only took 7 sockets
high wadi
okay 😄
inner pulsar
Talking about the other guy who was talking in here at the same time
hazy sphinx
Im back bitches
high wadi
well i dont know
hazy sphinx
I drank away my pain from that dudes trinkets.
inner pulsar
Gossip was his name
hazy sphinx
Nah it was with a D
inner pulsar
No
high wadi
SS without subterfuge is like a waste huh?
inner pulsar
You are thinking of Doppel
hazy sphinx
That dude
inner pulsar
I'm talking about the guy who said he was doing 12 k on mythic vectis
and was 9th in damage in his raid
I need to see that shit
high wadi
well i did 11,6 on hc vectis..is that little low too?
strange python
ilvl?
high wadi
363 :/
inner pulsar
Wait, maybe it was fetid
high wadi
but like you said, wrong opener and shit
high wadi
with ilvl?
strange python
367
high wadi
also using ss and subterfuge?
stone mesa
how do i know if i should take ct or poisin bomb in m+?
safe matrix
CT pretty much always except like KR cause the pulls are pretty small
stone mesa
alright thanks
high wadi
and what talents?
strange python
MA + TB
high wadi
so since i have ss i shouldnt pick MA?
strange python
prob not
high wadi
hm
high wadi
i had 66 and 62 on mother and vectis :S
stone mesa
oh also in that case is exsanguinate better than toxic blade as well?
exotic abyss
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8MoZZRy86dsVG9yhpxFmxz
370 TtK beats 345 DD + 385DD D:
high wadi
but on vectis you cant reach full uptime on garrot and rupture right?
strange python
no u cant
strange python
how are you guys handling M+ without SS or Sub? I specced out of it because I get a +500 DPS by using arcvhies/MA and it's seriously hard to AOE now
Listen team
U dont really AoE as sin
Assassination is now allowed to be on top again for an entire expansion
not*
You just dot shit up
tropic heron
yeah i struggleo n vectis too
strange python
I do but it feels so much weaker without ss and sub
tropic heron
hes my lowest parse right now
strange python
then pick ss and sub?
stone mesa
what is ma?
tropic heron
is SS good for vectis>
strange python
"Pick SS" dude you're assuming that azerite drops
that shit is fucking ridiculous trying to get the traits you want
like I said, it's a -500 DPS loss if I pick it
Dude im not even talking to you
Talking to Dere
the thing is
were in a public channel
so you're really talking to everyone in the channel
Pick SS with subter @strange python
MA is garbage for m+
it really is, but I also raid... and I don't want to have to reforge every time I have to raid/M+ :/
that is the struggle
Then try farming azerite gear with SS
tropic heron
how do you farm azerite gear?
stiff niche
yo guys i have a question! for m+ better 2 archive and 1 ss or 2 ss and 1 archive?
strange python
caches from wq
unique depot
so 2 archive one SS or 2 SS one archive having conflicting thoughts
tropic heron
my interpretation of farm was something repeatable not like a weekly one time thing
strange python
sim it
I have 1 380 shoulder, 2 370 helm, and 1 370 chest - the chest is the only thing I have that has ss
thats the easiest way to find out
@unique depot What are the ilvls?
can't really "farm" - I've been trying every week from raids and cache
terse crescent
Depends on the week will be my guess. On fortified you'll get more time for archive to stack during trash
strange python
And the archives?
terse crescent
If your group is fast enough the stacks may still be high going into the next pack
unique depot
oh they are 6
strange python
6?
unique depot
oh 1 is 370 one is 355
unique depot
yes
nimble condor
explain me please how do i check my weight stat with enchants on my weapons?
unique depot
raidbots tell me keep 2 ss and 1 arch but my guild is pestering me lol
peak breach
Feels like 1x DD, 1x SS and 1x Archive is the most viable build for both m+ and raid.
terse crescent
Raidbots lets you sim stat weights. What stat will increase your DPS per stat point. If haste is the highest number on your stat weights you'll want more haste. Naturally that means use a quick navigation enchant on your mainland, then for instance if the second highest is crit use that in your offhand
peak breach
Well ofc 2 sets, but hard to get it.
strange python
Why would DD be viable in m+
daring imp
nah you just throw uldir stuff into the raid ones
terse crescent
Then it's not the best though is it
tropic heron
so DD is bad?
peak breach
I mean if you don’t have two sets dd is still viable on bosses in m+
strange python
yeah but it sucks in m+
hollow escarp
Scent of Blood bis on ST 
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sDHZUREKFViNZSexLPfVoT
daring imp
compared to raiding
tropic heron
is that fan of knives thing good for M+
strange python
no
hollow escarp
@daring imp and I ahve Dagger in the Back 385 chest, but I need Uldir chest for raid 😦
daring imp
@tropic heron for m+ or raiding?
hollow escarp
xxD
tropic heron
for M+
daring imp
is that taloc trinket any good?
tropic heron
i struggle with M+ my raids are pretty decent though
daring imp
the haste stacking one
hollow escarp
better than my 340 Galecallers
tropic heron
so ih ave trouble getting into groups
daring imp
@tropic heron archive isn't bad for m+, what you should have is ATLEAST 1x SS and subterfuge talented
peak breach
Get guildies to play with then
daring imp
the rest can be a mix or just plain 340's SS
peak breach
If they are decent players
hollow escarp
oof
tropic heron
i have to pug most things above like +7
void pecan
Implying guildies are good m+ players
round harbor
Some can be
hollow escarp
one of my tank guldies doenst give a fuck about chain pulling
round harbor
Some get hard carried
void pecan
Mine aren't... feelsbad
hollow escarp
why I am 3 x SS
molten moon
do most people here run TB for M+ or exang?
peak breach
Yeah, well if raiding goes good i thought they were pretty good.
hollow escarp
not all good raiders are good M+ ers
stone mesa
what if i'm not good at either of htem?
daring imp
the first time i got a great/god/best/amazing/fmlineedthatguyonallmym+groups tank i went from 12~14k overall to 16~18k overall in three 10's & 11's we did
seriously, good tanks are what will make your dps skyrocket
hollow escarp
^
daring imp
if your tank is slow or pulls too few mobs per pack, don't bother using CT
hollow escarp
I can agree, tanks can carry the groups pretty hard
daring imp
also i'd pick a more haste focused build instead of crit/mastery for m+ in the event that you get into a group with one of those slow tanks
because you'll be most of the time killing 1~2 mobs instead of a big pack and will starve energy too much
the recommendation for crit/mastery to m+ is for when you have enough adds to dot cleave stuff and have endless energy regen
you'll be fucked if the tank always pulls 2~3 mobs instead of 5~7 tho
hollow escarp
yeah
daring imp
i left a 11 today because the tank was asking for cc on literally every motherlode pack
hollow escarp
even PB can be better with pug groups
daring imp
even packs w/o infested
strange python
thats toxic
hollow escarp
lul
daring imp
and didn't even bother to pull 2 packs at once
we easily could cc infested, pull 2 packs, kill, back to infested
healer was almost 380
full mana all the friggin' time
hollow escarp
I hate pugging MOTHERLODE
daring imp
i felt bad but i was god damn triggered already
gosh you have no idea how long we took to get to 2nd boss
hollow escarp
I never feel bad for leaving, but I dont really leave that often
I also pick up groups and filter the "have patience" ones
like, why do you need patience on a timed run? xD
daring imp
true lul
jokes and "toxicism" aside, if the tank isn't good and know a few tricks, there's no miracle to increase your dps
hollow escarp
or bolster the adds for more hp = more sustained aoe 
daring imp
lul
arctic flint
i have a few assassination questions, is anyone bored enough to help me out please? 😃
hollow escarp
you can try 😃
arctic flint
well then, first of all. ive been reading ravenholdt dot net to check rotation/etc
(i dont have shrouded azerite bonus)
odd compass
Today I scammed myself on vectis myth parse. It was 2500g to reforge devourer chest for second garrote trait and I thought nah noway
In result I parsed 2
Rip
hollow escarp
xD
arctic flint
then i tried myself some of the openers (toxic blade and also exsanguinate) but it looks like i can't keep up the dps
odd compass
I needed at least 1 so I took 340 garrote shld
arctic flint
some guildie told me "ignore those, do garrote-rupture-garrote" and he was able to deal so much more dmg with garrote during uldir fights
stone mesa
should i be using EP for m+ or MP?
arctic flint
his words: "garrote-rupture-garrote" on pull, "garrote-garrote-rupture" on vanishes
peak breach
If u have one ss trait and sub Yeah
arctic flint
i dont have that trait
his garrote damage output was like twice as mine at the end of the combat
i was like wth
hollow escarp
I ussualy do garrote - muti - garrote then rupture outside of Subt
arctic flint
(he has ss tho)
daring imp
you don't have shrouded suffocation
his garrote dmg will be abysmally higher than yours
hollow escarp
SS gives 2 cp
sturdy python
Might want to try MA If no SS
hollow escarp
the little thins
sturdy python
Depends what you're doing
hollow escarp
master assasin
arctic flint
oh
hollow escarp
3rd pick 2nd row
peak breach
Yeah, but he lacks other things u might have
arctic flint
yeah yeah, makes sense
sturdy python
Yes it makes gerrotethat strong
lunar herald
do yall sim with the base setup outside of manipulating the number of targets, or do you change other settings? I was looking at time or duration of sim length and see 5 minutes is average.
arctic flint
(is it fine to throw armory link here?)
hollow escarp
yeah
daring imp
it'd be better to throw a recent sim of yours
cerulean walrus
But you're open to any criticism lol
hollow escarp
I linked logs for roasting a few months ago and I didnt get roasted, only good advice 😃
arctic flint
i used to play assassin on cata then got back on playing now and i just cant do anything lol
safe matrix
At worst you'll get slightly roasted by good advice
daring imp
ahh good roasting advice best kind of advice
cerulean walrus
That mog th- oh wait we have a channel for that
marsh bloom
we can't all be priveleged like you
dark token
you look like a shitty shrek that decided he wanted to cosplay as a skinny ninja
marsh bloom
who me?
daring imp
don't you have any logs as assassination?
hollow escarp
@marsh bloom well, I asked for roasting so I know what I can do better and I was actually spammed with replies here.. I think I can still find the chat logs from february 😄
arctic flint
i do, hold on
sick monolith
roast me
hollow escarp
grabs popcorn
arctic flint
lol
verbal sorrel
bois
hollow stone
Poor summer child, best way to get advice on the internet is to say something incorrect as if it is fact. People will climb mountains to show you why theyre right and youre wrong
verbal sorrel
any tips for fetid mythic?
arctic flint
wiped on 10mi yesteday, it was annoying 😦
hollow stone
Use ss if you have em and it isnt a huge dps loss @verbal sorrel
daring imp
ok so you have two problems
verbal sorrel
I was running toxic blade
daring imp
pop trinket with vendetta
verbal sorrel
do you think exsang is super important for fetid?
daring imp
and i think subterfuge might not be the best for you given you run toxic blades
should sim to be sure
oh wait you run exs
wth
arctic flint
i swapped to TB yesterday because someone told me it would scale better with higher gear and i should pick tb instead
prime zephyr
how many item levels do you guys think triple SS is worth for M+? Feeling the lack of stam from 340 gear when pushing keys
arctic flint
but still
daring imp
w/o any SS i'd recommend going MA/tb
hollow escarp
exsang is pretty nice with galecallers though
arctic flint
alright
hasty crater
3xSS is always worth in m+ no matter ilvl difference i think
daring imp
it's not like you can't go exs with that setup
hollow stone
Theres no cut n dry answer to the ss in m+ question
daring imp
but 1 ss makes the exs opening and maintaning much smoother
the extra cp guarantees you'll have 5cp on every vanish window
regardless if you spent some before popping it
prime zephyr
I'm just looking for opinions tbh
daring imp
less micromanagement
arctic flint
yeah definitely, interesting
daring imp
and exsang is already too much micromanagement
arctic flint
basically, exsang = cast when garrote-rupture is renewed?
hollow escarp
I still use a 345 SS helm, even if I have a 385 Scent of Blood xD
arctic flint
lemme check the trinkets i do have, hold on
hollow stone
Its not just ilvl tho, its what trait youre replacing ss w, its what group and dungeon youre running, its what level keys you do. And more variables @prime zephyr
daring imp
@prime zephyr i've been running blightborne infusion/SS/ttk lately
hollow stone
The more specific you are w your question, the more willing people in here are to help you
daring imp
all 370/385
arctic flint
besides the ones im using, i do have these:
[Kul Tiran Cannonball Runner] 355
[My'das Talisman] 355
[Construct Overcharger]340
daring imp
for m+
hollow escarp
385 SoB / 370 SoB / 370 SS might be my pick for this week though... with teeming and more targets, Rupture will be nice
daring imp
mb SS is 355*
slate dust
hollow stone
You almost started a race war in the wrong channel @daring imp
hollow escarp
xD
daring imp
sorry i'm br too, i just didn't see he's from the same realm as i am lul
peak breach
Ok bois. I want some feedback on my log on mythic taloc. I parade pretty good but want to be 90+.
hollow escarp
I know you said a bad word there xD
peak breach
Parsed* pretty good.
gusty nest
Seeing as you were already sort of discussing it. Which azerite shoulders would you use in m+ ? looking for opinions, sim is 1min add cleave
peak breach
I’m Demonenlol in the logs btw.
gusty nest
Just 5-6 bosses for 40s?
daring imp
well depends on your tank
i have two sims, one for shitty tanks, another for good ones lul
hollow stone
Yea. Hectic add cleave afaik is for adds during a boss that die quickly
hollow escarp
I will gear up a tank just to makre rogue's life easier
hollow stone
So its not the most accurate for m+
hollow stone
Much better
hollow escarp
the SoB buff is pretty nice
daring imp
seems plausible, sob will be even better than SS on high keys with fortified
ok, i may have misworded that
will be relatively better* would be better put
gusty nest
better than 340 ss at least :p
hollow escarp
well, it sucks if adds die fast
so if you are with a DH with fel barage...
rip
my experience at least
gusty nest
most dh's play trail of ruin anyway, so probably not a huge problem :p
hollow stone
At any m+ level, you want at least 1 ss so you can subt and iron wire and get your ct running asap
Just too much value not to
gusty nest
yeah i'd never leave the great seal without 1 ss
strange python
is it worth changing exsang for toxic blade if I only have 1 SS left? (ilvl 385 tho)
marsh bloom
I have a 370 SS but I have a 340 archive
strange python
lmaoo
hollow escarp
haHAA
strange python
yeah idk about sims
hollow escarp
do talent compare with your best gear
strange python
I mean SS doesn't seem to work that well in sims
hollow escarp
it sims corectly in single target
hollow stone
Its fine for st sims
marsh bloom
are galecaller sims accurate?
hollow stone
Sort of
hollow escarp
800 in queue and I dont pay for patreon >.<
strange python
if you use it 100% of its duration yea I guess
peak breach
Yes. If you stand still for the entire duration
hollow stone
Sims assume 100% uptime on patchwerk so
hollow escarp
I used Galecallers on my first MOTHER kill 😕
hollow stone
Extrapolate what you will
open quartz
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > mastery > vers >= haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.
strange python
btw does anyone know if evasion works with mythrax frontal cast?
I learned yesterday the bad way that cloak doesnt
hollow escarp
I dont want to test that
hollow stone
The beams?
peak breach
Is it physical?
true rapids
hollow stone
Wrong boss :p
strange python
you get stacks tho
hollow escarp
I'm happy cloak doesnt drop clouds on Zek
strange python
cloak cancels the clouds?
daring imp
no
hollow escarp
no, you can use it with the darkness overlap to survive
strange python
but does it remove the debuff entirely or just if you cast it before it pops?
daring imp
doesn't remove
hollow stone
Cloak stops dmg, not the mechanic, for the most part (now). With some exceptions like taloc pools debuff
strange python
k
peak breach
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/JdHT38KRN1G2thXa/ critique pls. Demonenlol
hollow escarp
you can cloak the rings and soak with tank if you will
but Id rather cloak the blood pools
daring imp
not much to critique @peak breach just not sure why you held vendetta until 16s
proud gust
Are there any play style differences between master poisoner and elaborate planning?
hollow stone
Oh i member
hollow stone
I also member when cloak cheesed so hard
hollow escarp
back when rogues were op
hollow stone
Like, if we had then cloak now, you would be able to cloak vectis debuff out of the boss fight lol
strange python
I mean with elaborate planning the idea is to pool a bit so you can smash as many mutilates as you can with the buff (correct me if I'm wrong tho)
master poisoner seems like a flat dmg increase
hollow stone
Vectis is not fun on mythic as melee
daring imp
mut/env/tb @strange python
hollow escarp
rip, we are 7 melee
hollow stone
Gonna be rough
daring imp
the flat dmg increase doesn't affect the bigger part of our dmg, tho it's a consistent increase
quaint hawk
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2ioyyegUPtTopM8AgYJKhA 17k club boyssss
hollow escarp
17k same ilvl as me 😦
hollow escarp
can I get that?
minor zinc
!opener
hollow escarp
!closer
strange python
I'm 4 ilvl/1k dps behind that FeelsBadMan
marsh bloom
no one critiqued my logs :(((
hollow escarp
well, yo ujust dinged 120
marsh bloom
no I didn't
daring imp
@strange python sockets man
strange python
I have 5 tho, is that not good enough?
daring imp
link your sim
heavy plover
If i'm gearing purely for m+, and haste is great for ST but sucks for multi, what would you recommend gemming?
strange python
daring imp
crit @heavy plover
heavy plover
thanks
strange python
xd
hollow escarp
but shadowmeld is so good with alliance tanks
strange python
shadowmeld cool for m+ too
hollow escarp
yeah
strange python
I would take that
hollow escarp
I use 360 + socket in off hand, better than 370
daring imp
i'm not sure if that vers on use trinket is that great for exs, i know for MA/tb it is great tho
hollow escarp
MOTHER only dropeed 1 dagger in 4 kills + 4 bonus rolls
strange python
yeah I have done 0 mythic uldir, today I'm going as trial for the first time ever, kinda nervous xd
peak breach
I have not had a dagger drop from mother yet.
hollow escarp
😦
hollow escarp
I got a 360 with socket from Normal Mother
no drops from HC mother either
but I havent even tried it because a base 370 one is not even an upgrade from a 360 with socket
quaint hawk
so about those daggers
I got a 385 w/ socket on mother last week
and rolled a second one on the same pull
the other rogue in my guild was thrilled
hollow escarp
/gquit
daring imp
i'd be screaming
peak breach
The other rogue in my guild has two 370 from hc mother. Just hoping to get myself one from mythic or titanforged hc. Well anything 370+ is upgrade tbh
copper pine
I have a question. For m+ you need crit and mastery. Now i have a 385 item with haste - mastery on it haste mainstat. Or should i use the 370 item with mastery - crit and mastery mainstat ?
daring imp
sim it
no clue
honestly
3 to 6 targets, 40s to 1min for m+ environment ( a.k.a. killing trash )
cloud iron
id jsut say i equipped the other one before i rolled
hollow escarp
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > mastery > vers >= haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.
heavy plover
@daring imp again purely for m+ should i enchant crit on both weapons?
copper pine
Yes but when i sim it raidbots tell me i need more haste. But all these high m+ players have 3% haste only i have 14 atm on my m+ gear
hollow escarp
well, simming shows the best results with your current gear
you should be aiming for more crit/mastery gear and then sim again
daring imp
i have three weps, crit/mastery/haste, so i switch when raiding/m+
but no you shouldn't have thhe same enchant on both weps
quaint flare
hollow escarp
I used to have the best outlaw relics in legion
because I dumped the shitty titanforged ones there xD
next tendon
you guys running CT or poison bomb this week for m+?
north terrace
Yeah... so many rogues lol
north terrace
You're fine..
Your ilvl parse is 91 and you have low ilvl
Get more gear and your overall will rise with it
strange python
@marsh bloom u missed 4tbs on zek
marsh bloom
shit
strange python
also kinda low uptime
marsh bloom
so even though I can't get 2+ envenoms I use it?
marsh bloom
I died att he end
Before that I had 100% uptime pretty sure
or are you talking about vendetta?
strange python
no, dots
marsh bloom
oh the adds?
strange python
dude
marsh bloom
my rupture garrote?
marsh bloom
garrote was up 100% while I was alive
rupture 98%
is that low?
I don't know personally sorry
strange python
Have u tried going 2x DD and 1 archive
marsh bloom
you think I have a choice of going double DD
strange python
Ur head has dd
marsh bloom
ok
rugged jetty
For mythic fetid how are you guys using vendetta ?
grave flame
Are we okay with the -6% dps ? 😦
main blaze
in pvp?
strange python
Its pvp nerf
upper island
stuck shuttle
@rugged jetty you should be using it on Mass
warm ruin
When is it coming?
stuck shuttle
Today I think.
warm ruin
Ah bummer
prime void
Can you check my logs too hecktixx?
stuck shuttle
no I'm only a 99 parsing rogue
prime void
Yikes.
stuck shuttle
D:
prime void
I rank 2'd last night
daring imp
with MA/tb
you want to fit the MA/vanish/vendetta inside tb window
for maximum effor... er, dmg
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/AzbQtFTX4DaZfYNq#fight=20&type=damage-done roughly same kill speed as your normal fetid
just on heroic
stuck shuttle
@prime void which fight did you rank 2 on?
daring imp
check "timeline" and "cast"
and compare both
@oblique raven
sims with MA/tb suggest:
garrote
mut
rup
vendetta/trinkets/blood fury etc.
vanish>tb, mut, env
for opening
marsh bloom
how do I get the DD on my shoulders @strange python
oblique raven
fasho thanks
marsh bloom
I already picked sharpened bldes
stuck shuttle
you reforge
stuck shuttle
You go to the place where you buy your bonus rolls
guy on the opposite side of coin vendor
well atleast thats where it is for Horde
idk how the Alliance is setup
strange python
Its near the inn
stuck shuttle
yeah by half I think
elder prairie
3 days i think it halves
stuck shuttle
every 3 days
safe matrix
alliance is right by the transmog guy, to the left of the inn
daring imp
don't be an idiot like my friend and get surprised when his reforge cost was 80k+
thank god i'm too poor to afford those
warm ruin
Imagine reforging for 40k in the first place
round harbor
Just get good gear 4head
ornate mantle
guys
i have like 361 ilvl
and i dont do shit damage
would that be because my daggers or because im awfully bad
fringe epoch
what ilvl are daggers & prob both
lean coral
ornate mantle
no one could help me? :/
safe matrix
feel free to ask again later, people might be off doing stuff. For example I'm supposed to be studying. >.>
warm ruin
Ha, I know that feeling all too well
I'd love to help, but chances are, I know even less than you, so y'know...
What would people recommend doing to get an actual understanding of the class/spec and how it should be played and geared, as opposed to just playing it the way people say is best
If you get what I mean
wicked comet
streamers
safe matrix
through practice and watching others
@ornate mantle just from a quick glance,
-you're often not using toxic blade on CD and holding it for a bit it looks like the total time made you miss a cast which is a solid dps loss
-not vanishing so shrouded suffocation is a dead trait since you're never applying garrote from stealth
-going into TB with too low energy so you cant make use of the windows for envenom
next tendon
SO CT this week for m+?
safe matrix
also aim to not have to refresh bleeds during TB
daring imp
ct every week 
safe matrix
in a case like this you should've held TB for that 2 seconds
daring imp
just do big pulls, can't ever be bad
ornate mantle
mmm ok
safe matrix
since you're wasting a global in TB and not buffing the initial TB hit
Those are just a few things though, I glanced through it
viscid onyx
!wa
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ornate mantle
so i might have way more fails
around how much energy i want to aim for the use of toxic blade?
strange python
100+
safe matrix
strange python
You can also prepare cp for that
safe matrix
heres a solid parse with a lognerish kill time
relatively similar set up too
go through the casts, and you can see how he plays and base your play on that maybe
things to note: he vendetta'd not in the opener but in fetid execute phase because you only get one cast of vendetta with that kill time
safe matrix
Yeah you did, but he didnt cause kill time
I didnt want to go too far down the rankings but wanted to find a longerish kill time
I basically said that, so you know why vendetta isnt in that opener 🤷
anyways happy hunting
ornate mantle
oh yea
thanks
i really appreciate those tips
but i still think i could get way more damage with a decent pair of weapons
so i can enhance them and not waste money on the ones i have
strange python
did u even enchant ur weapons?
warm ruin
How much haste would I typically want to have for ST?
ornate mantle
no i didnt because
im sooo fucked up with the money
i cant afford to enhance the ones i have
because theyr 340 and 350
ornate mantle
and just sell herbs?
strange python
yes
ornate mantle
allright ill do it thanks for the tip sir
safe matrix
also yeah gear is relevant, but its also much harder to look at
sim your character and see how close to the simmed DPS you do
thats a good indicator
strange python
Top gear on raidbots
ornate mantle
yea
strange python
Always at least 1 uldir trait in Uldir
ornate mantle
top gear on raidbot?
strange python
You paste your /simc here
And select traits/gear you'd like to sim
And it will find your best combo
fiery oxide
Anyone fancy checking my sim out to see which slots/areas could improve? At a bit of a dead end currently
safe matrix
I added a quick write up on how to sim in #bot-spam pins
ornate mantle
thanks
short token
someone mind looking at my parse for mythic mother and give me tips? i parsed 90th but i feel like i should be doing more
safe matrix
mother is a lot about strategy
safe matrix
my guild we resto shaman through the two gates, so we're legitimately doing nothing for two minutes while we wait for SLT
short token
it's possible i didn't time vendetta to be in 3rd room thinking i'd get a full 3rd vendetta off
but i'm not sure
short token
ok there's a major f up, but i also feel like my opener is low
strange python
u didnt get 3 envenoms in 1st TB
daring imp
well subterfuge w/o SS or exsang will do that with your opener
have you ever tried master assassin?
strange python
it says 1 vanish used
strange python
Yes
strange python
no
short token
would master assassin be an upgrdae w/out SS
short token
doing that now
short token
do you see anything else besides the opener envenoms and the vanish/vendetta f up
?
i reallly appreciate this btw
warm ruin
Thank you btw @safe matrix
short token
it's showing subterfuge and master assassin almost exactlky the same...MA a 6 dps upgrade lol
hushed maple
ornate mantle
i dont even hace 14% haste!
short token
when i vanish should i spam garrote twice w/out SS or just once?
hollow matrix
anyone have any idea how to sim zek'voz optimally?
safe matrix
Smaller sample size, also you're competing against better plays than at the lower ilvls @hazy sphinx
hazy sphinx
im 378 though
safe matrix
if you go up in ilvl you generally compete against better players in that ilvl bracket, since thats where better players tend to hang out
hazy sphinx
That means i suck 😦
meager aspen
Woooooooooo i reach more than 16k5 \o/
round harbor
@hollow matrix why? Just look at what other people are doing successfully
Simming is a good tool in a perfect world, but no fight is sim
safe matrix
parse % is compared to all rogues of that spec who've logged the fight
ilvl % is rogues within your ilvl bracket on the fight
like 342-345 ilvl and 346-350ilvl etc
hollow matrix
@hazy sphinx dont forget to flask at the beginning of raid 😄
high wadi
so he did a high parse% because of his gearscore and performance but a rather avarage performance compared to rogues in his ilvl?
safe matrix
Because there's a thing such as parsing through sheer ilvl, theres no way a 340 ilvl char can compete against a 375ilvl
safe matrix
But also as you get higher ilvl you typically are against better competition since good players tend to be geared and the groups get smaller
round harbor
Ilvl brackets can be missleading
Like when I parses I'm only fighting against like 6 other people. So when I get third place out of those 6 other people it looks like a shit ilvl%
Due to small sample sizing
high wadi
so rather focus on parse%
dark token
your traits
high wadi
?
dark token
are really bad
you shouldnt vendetta on pull for <2min fights like fetid with a dmg bonus at the end
if you wanna parse heroic lol
same for mother
unless you guys do room 1 strat
safe matrix
top end parsing is a lot about strategy too
zenith cedar
^^^
round harbor
And killtimes
dark token
its 90% strategy 10% gear
zenith cedar
As someone whos held R1s, its mostly fight knowledge and blind luck
dark token
rng is only small
round harbor
Rng is huge
safe matrix
like 70% skill, 20% strat, 10% luck
dark token
no
zenith cedar
RNG is massive depending on fight lol
dark token
if you have good gear and good strategy you can get top 10 very consistently
hazy sphinx
We do first room on mother
dark token
rank 1 is rng yes
round harbor
The difference between 98 and 100 can be rng
dark token
nah
hazy sphinx
And I shouldnt pop my large CDs on pull on fetid but at 50%?
safe matrix
he gets increased damage at 50%
dark token
you should be 99 with good gear and good strategy every time unless your raid makes you do something that other rogues dont
e.g. if you have to run orbs on ghuun
you probably not getting rank 1
(in heroic)
zenith cedar
FrozenSoviet do you asctuall have
hazy sphinx
And teh traits I have are the traits I have. Nothing to change em with.
zenith cedar
any R1s
zenith cedar
Ive had R1s that have sat for over a month or two
and generally
that was luck and skill
zenith cedar
but not 99% skill 1% luck
dark token
theres a diff
dark token
outlaw is more rng
safe matrix
it depends on raid tier too
zenith cedar
ya
safe matrix
some tiers have more mechanics you have to run out, where if you get a consistent run out mechanic you're probs not parsing well
zenith cedar
I had a spirit kings parse that was R1 for two months because i got to cleave way longer than others
safe matrix
ergo luck
dark token
i very consistently get top 10 ranks on mythic/heroic bosses unless my job is different from parsing job
its not just rng
round harbor
I mean on vectis I had a pull that was well above 16k cause of good rng
zenith cedar
Nobody is saying its just rng lol
zenith cedar
but you dont get a rank 1 without luck on ur side
safe matrix
anyways, sometime soon you guys should get back to sin topic or move down to #wow-general
dark token
rng wont affect you going below 99
hazy sphinx
so.. how could I improve my parses mr rank 1s
dark token
well your gear is pretty bad for ilvl tbh, i didnt really look at your strategy because you run TB and MA which there really isnt one
zenith cedar
@hazy sphinx analyze the parses in the top 10, see how their using Cds different, their buff and debuff uptimes, how they prioritize single/add damage
hazy sphinx
Thank you for the encouraging words Soviet.
dark token
with SS and subterfuge and vanish/exsng you can manipulate cooldowns
zenith cedar
@hazy sphinx You want to look at every detail, trinket procs/buffs, weapon enchant buffs, etc
ruby idol
Or frozen pls just kill ghuun tn so I dont have to wait until 1 am to do keys :)
hazy sphinx
I'll look into em after raid. Thanks Burgah
ruby idol
Not you
zenith cedar
Really the best way to get better and improve your parses is to analyze parses of those who are consistently scoring top parses