assassination

[strange python]

tb trick = useoncd

[ionic charm]

Tb feels really good for vectis tbh, like he said the lining up is nice. I haven’t killed it yet, but my numbers seem good

[tulip wedge]

anyone 1phasing M Mother? We've been 1p normal and heroic , starting M now and I bet we get smooshed after having it easy so far

[wheat zealot]

Tb tricks

[hollow stone]

No high gcb, and no high ss traits forcing me to go tb :p

[wheat zealot]

[pearl meteor]

My last vectis was 15.5k

[haughty flame]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/41y9n63y3UJQrKRZVkXCEY

rip shadow blades helm T_T

[pearl meteor]

Haha

[main blaze]

@tulip wedge Its easier to just use resto shaman and ignore 2nd room.

[ionic charm]

Even on the gear compares I’ve run, I sim higher in TB with GCB than Exs. I can’t figure out why. I think it has something to do with being a troll

[pearl meteor]

We send all 20 members in 5-10s on mythic mother

Lmao

[ionic charm]

We do 15 first Wall and all 20 the 2nd. So I get to sit on boss for 2 mins while no one else does 😄

Or one other rogue does

[mossy hazel]

We send 15 after fire, hold back 2 sin rogues, 2 healers and tank and just mess her up there till room burns

[ionic charm]

Yeah that’s it

[pearl meteor]

Yeee

Best to jus get to end tho

N burn lmao

[lone junco]

Re rupture on big packs m+. I look forward to seeing some 3x scent. 8k agi tho.

[ionic charm]

Still lose to the fdk with his fucking frostwyrm

[pearl meteor]

Same

[mossy hazel]

We literally have no one playing DK right now, it's odd...

[pearl meteor]

Fdk is dumb

[hollow stone]

Yea. I sit mother; we do the 15 first then 5 later. Even sitting on boss the whole fight, i parsed 88p so zerging end room is def the parse strat lol

[ionic charm]

It’s absurd how good they are in raids. Fucking absurd. The best in every situation

[mossy hazel]

We're melee heavy AND we have no Dks... We're a wierd guild...

[pearl meteor]

Yea

[ionic charm]

Not like sin is in a bad place but fdk is just crazy

[hollow stone]

Fwf isnt even fdk's best shit, its all about that breath

[pearl meteor]

Were melee heavy too so we sit all the melee for most bosses and have every ranged in

[hollow stone]

My guild didnt have a warr for 4 weeks....

[ionic charm]

Mythrax is gonna be a bitch for most guilds

[hollow stone]

Comp lyfe

[pearl meteor]

Got mythrax to 1% today

Felt bad

[mossy hazel]

OUch..

[pearl meteor]

Real bad

Sub 1m hp

[mossy hazel]

I feel bad FOR you

[pearl meteor]

And my cds just came up

[ionic charm]

How much of your damage ends up being on adds in mythic?

[pearl meteor]

Uh for me not alot on adds till intermission

We have wls on adds outside of int

[ionic charm]

Sounds good

[indigo mulch]

I'm a bit unsure how to play with MA and TB, is the opener still the same? Garrote > mutilate 4+ cp > rupture?

[pearl meteor]

Bc they come back at lower % since dots dont get removed when it comes up

Get a fat refresh on rup/gar b4 it goes up

Comes down at 90-95% lmao

[ionic charm]

@indigo mulch apl says g m r ven van Tb m env m env etc

[sturdy python]

Wait what is this mother trick with resto shaman

[pearl meteor]

Link/bubble/darkness w.e all run through

In grps rly fast

Back to back

[sturdy python]

Groups of 5?

[ionic charm]

@indigo mulch but some people are swearing by g m r ven Tb m van env mut env

[pearl meteor]

Uh we do 10 5 5 i think in like 4s

[indigo mulch]

How do you use vanish then? Do we pool energy?

[sturdy python]

O cool ty

[pearl meteor]

Darkness does like 1m+ healing lol

In link

[ionic charm]

Yeah pool energy and most likely cp, line it up with your TB that comes during second vendetta

You can have tb rolling and vanish with 5 cp

[hollow stone]

Wtb cloak link when cloak made everyone invincible during link

Roll back baby

[ionic charm]

A la antorus sin

[pearl meteor]

Lol

[indigo mulch]

Fair enough.

[wise socket]

Is there are guide somewhere on when to use the different on use trinkets?

[ionic charm]

Nope

[pearl meteor]

Gc

Always

[wise socket]

since i cant find it in the guide for some reason

[pearl meteor]

😃

[ionic charm]

What trinkets are you wondering about?

[bright shale]

I wish I had a good GC

[wise socket]

Galecaller Since i know on pull i use it with exan but what about after that

[hollow stone]

It doesnt work in every possible situation but.. 2m cd on use you macro to vend; 1m you try to use before xsang

[pearl meteor]

Gc on pull, on cd, then with ven/van

[wise socket]

okay

[main blaze]

I have a 370 GC and a 390 Kul Tiran Canon

[pearl meteor]

Specifically with exsang u hold for exsang ven van

Same @main blaze

But dont use cannon

[ionic charm]

With exsang make sure you 100% use GCB before you cast exsang

[sturdy python]

Wouldn't you use gc with the one exsang before Ven/van comes up

OK yeah

[main blaze]

390 canon is better than fathoms

[wise socket]

Also for exan useage do i use it on CD always or do i hold it for vendetta or do i hold vendetta?

[pearl meteor]

Exsang on cd

[ionic charm]

Hold 3rd for ven can

Van

[pearl meteor]

No

Exsang on cd hold ven/van for it

[wise socket]

okay ty

[pearl meteor]

If u wont miss casts

2:25 specifically

Is when it all lines up

[heady ore]

How do we choose between exsang and TB ? is simming okay ?

[ionic charm]

Yeah which is holding 3rd exsang for 10a

10s

[pearl meteor]

Wut

[ionic charm]

45*3 is 135 aka 2:15

[pearl meteor]

Ok but first one isnt at 45

Thats 2nd

Its 4th exsang

Ur waiting for

[ionic charm]

Ok yes I meant wait for 4th, not 3rd

[pearl meteor]

U got me trippin dude

Lmao

I thought i was crazy

[ionic charm]

You said don’t wait at all so I was confused too lol

[pearl meteor]

You dont wait for exsang

Errr

Ye ignore me rn

Lmao

Meant u dont wait for ven/van u hold em

😃

[ionic charm]

You hold 2nd vendetta like 15s for vanish and 4th exsang for like 7s to line up with 2nd ven and van. And you hold 2nd gcb 20s to line up with that.

Is what I concluded

[pearl meteor]

Yes

Tho u can tech use ven early like 5s lmao

[ionic charm]

Yeah I got you

[pearl meteor]

Yee

👍

Im at the point where i dont think about it anymore it just happens

Until new boss lmao

[ionic charm]

Yeah but people ask so it’s nice to have it typed out

To see

[pearl meteor]

Yea

For sure

[lone junco]

@ionic charm the only booger for that revolves around boss timings and vulnerable phases.

[strange python]

plz guys hellow cap haste is 14 % without buff uldir or you focus buff uldir on crit and let 14 % haste ?

[ionic charm]

NO THIS IS A PERFECT SIM WORLD

[pearl meteor]

I have 18% haste outside of uldir

[lone junco]

I have 21 outside

[pearl meteor]

^ i wish

[strange python]

18 % hard capped no ?

[lone junco]

there was a blip where it wasnt my top, but its is about equal now.

[pearl meteor]

No

[ionic charm]

My 14 feels bad on paper but plays out pretty well

Being a troll is probably the only reason that’s ok

[lone junco]

1.79 1.78 .1.77 is = =

[pearl meteor]

I honestly hate playing without exsang personally

And lots of haste

[lone junco]

same.

[pearl meteor]

More energy mmmm

[strange python]

ok np guys

[lone junco]

but will look forward to a high env DD build with crit later

[pearl meteor]

And yes troll lowers that alot

[ionic charm]

I should try to sim to see if I had haste pieces instead at same ilvl and see if I can break 17k

[pearl meteor]

Rofl

[ionic charm]

Since I’ll stop getting uldir crit buff at a certain time

[lone junco]

big boi club at 17k

[strange python]

now go try 21 % haste with uldir buff and you deal samae damage i think

[ionic charm]

16.6k D:

[pearl meteor]

Im gonna kill mythrax today get helm and b at 17k

Dont @ me

[ionic charm]

Going from 340 ss to 385 blightborne shoulders shot my sims up 3.2% lol

[pearl meteor]

Yee lol

[ionic charm]

The mythic mythrax helm would probably be as much

[unkempt belfry]

With galecallers, popping before exsang, does exsang snapshot the haste of the gc?

[pearl meteor]

Yea

[ionic charm]

And it’s everything you thought it would be and more

[pearl meteor]

Rofl

Lust + gc + exsang is pog

🙃

[ionic charm]

Add berserking

[pearl meteor]

Yup

[lone junco]

timewalking lols were real with sephuz

and soul capacitor

[ionic charm]

After lust not being useful for so long it feels nice to do double damage with it up

[lone junco]

one day I hope to get the Juju trinket at a massive titainforge.

[tulip falcon]

Is tb generally dimming better than exsang now?

[balmy cradle]

Does exsang scale more with haste or mastery?

[ionic charm]

Haste

[pearl meteor]

Haste

[tulip falcon]

Simming*

[lone junco]

@balmy cradle ST or AoE?

[pearl meteor]

And it depends on person @tulip falcon specifically gear/traits

Doesnt matter st or aoe

Exsang is st

Lmao

[ionic charm]

Exsang doesn’t scale well with aoe though imo

[lone junco]

in M+ exang feeds energy for fok. and aoe is crit.

but ok

[ionic charm]

Tb works out better

[pearl meteor]

Disagree

[ionic charm]

I guess? It seems like a play style choice.

[pearl meteor]

🙃

With art not u noobe

[lone junco]

Exang doesnt scale with crit, but that sdoesnt mean you want haste for M+

[pearl meteor]

Lmao

Ye ye ik

[primal gazelle]

but tb doesnt scale with aoe either?

[lone junco]

tb is trash in aoe

[ionic charm]

Lol I never said that you wanted haste

[lone junco]

hooray

[ionic charm]

Both are trash in aoe

[pearl meteor]

Exsang better

🙃

[lone junco]

we all know, the only thing that matters is the GGG.

[pearl meteor]

More energy for fok spam 4head

[lone junco]

beyond that you just wait.

[pearl meteor]

Lol

If that were true it wld still b haste stack

All

[strange python]

+9 waycrest, I feel like my overall dps ain't that bad? https://gyazo.com/fbb537a9d22aa874f7d7ffb5cfa9a4a1

[lone junco]

did you do 20k on a pack of 3-5 ? hooray

[pearl meteor]

+9 ye ur not too bad

[primal gazelle]

i think exsang would be better than tb in m+ since youll be spending time spreading dots and not single targetting a particular mob w/ tb

[pearl meteor]

Do u have ss traits @strange python

[strange python]

3

[pearl meteor]

Yee aight

[strange python]

Its a ST build too

with PB

[lone junco]

TB specifically requires ENV . the first 15 sec of a M+ pack is ggg ct fok ruptures.

[pearl meteor]

Ahh

[primal gazelle]

the DH sucks

[lone junco]

no where in there is time for TB env mut mut env

[pearl meteor]

Rofl

[ionic charm]

My only gripe with exsang in m+ is that you don’t actually gain the benefit of having the garrote finish early because of the ss bug. Can’t reapply, so some of the benefit is lost. At the same time the damage lost is prettt insignificant, but I feel strongly that Tb is better for packs of 2-3 because of this issue

[pearl meteor]

True

Sure

[strange python]

Can't find good people in pugs

[pearl meteor]

But energy burst op

[lone junco]

think of that exang as a double time E tick. in trash as well as the ST Prio with GC

[pearl meteor]

Yee

[lone junco]

every single pull. ggg gc and exang

no vendetta required. no vanish.

[primal gazelle]

oh you use gc for m+ too?

[pearl meteor]

Yea

[upper condor]

how do you guys open with MA talent? like in legion with shoulders?

[ionic charm]

Sort of

[lone junco]

opinion: best trinkets for M+ are GC and Dice

[strange python]

Garrote > Muti > rup > Vanish > Ven > tb > muti > env @upper condor

[pearl meteor]

I kill myself

🙃

[primal gazelle]

bloodmallet sims dice and dead spy glass as highest

[ionic charm]

@strange python vendetta before vanish

[lone junco]

@upper condor opener is in the guide for MA

@primal gazelle look at herodamage dungeon sim list

[upper condor]

where is the guide? am i blind? xD

[pearl meteor]

Pins

[pearl meteor]

Good drawing

10/10

[strange python]

Ven before vanish?

[pearl meteor]

Yes

[lone junco]

big yikes

I do lots of sweet drawings

[primal gazelle]

whats the diff between bloodmallet and herodmg

[lone junco]

herodamage is run by rogues.

[strange python]

Herodamage takes other talents in consideration

[pearl meteor]

Herodmg is better

xD

[strange python]

Bloodmallet is just 1 talent build

[lone junco]

and they wrote a script that uses restealth.

[ionic charm]

You can actually talk to the herodamage dude here which is nice

[lone junco]

there are no 5min sims that matter at all for M+

[pearl meteor]

I beg to differ

[strange python]

Unless its a +19 tol dagor tyrannical

[lone junco]

for restealth classes^

[ionic charm]

@lone junco soon tm there will be

[pearl meteor]

When im doing +20 td im sure there will b a 5min fight

Lmao

[lone junco]

we already have that tool.

[pearl meteor]

🙃

[lone junco]

but the hectic stuff came up with sharp blades as bis.

complete trash

[versed finch]

On zekvoz do you guys run CT to help burn adds?

[pearl meteor]

Yikes

If ur guild needs help yes

[ionic charm]

Pugs in TD piss me off. Everyone wants the fucking gates opened but then complains when we don’t have the buffs after they chose to skip them

[strange python]

@versed finch Depends on group

[pearl meteor]

Outlaw if u rly need it

[primal gazelle]

can someone help me understand the dungeon sim, why does it say
Fight Length: 4.8 - 7.2 minutes?

[versed finch]

Yeah seems like that's where were failing. Think I should try outlaw?

[pearl meteor]

Yes

[ionic charm]

If you have weapons

[pearl meteor]

Mainthing for adds

Have every1 stack at point in line

[versed finch]

Slight ilvl loss but I should be ok.

[ionic charm]

But ct was like 9% of my damage on zek, it’s not bad

[pearl meteor]

So they all fixate to middle

[strange python]

@versed finch I'd say Outlaw for Zek, sub for Zul

Rest just go sin

[pearl meteor]

And grip for stack

[ionic charm]

The other sin rogue in my guild says he won’t go sub for zul. I want to hit him

[pearl meteor]

Stacking most impt part

[versed finch]

Sub for Zul Is just for the burst on st adds right?

[hollow stone]

Run killing spree over BR imo, ive had more success with it for zek

[pearl meteor]

No

U train boss

We phase it in under 2mins

[ionic charm]

Shuriken tornado is quite literally the best ability in the game if your raid isn’t stupid

[strange python]

You use the adds on Zul to pump damage on boss

[versed finch]

With shuriken tornado?

[ionic charm]

Yes

[strange python]

Aye

[glass vessel]

if i tell people to not kill smalls when im sub they always think i want special treatment for my meters, they ignore all that damage goes straight into the boss x)

[pearl meteor]

MoS is tech good too

If ur good at it

[quick fog]

Yeah, no hard aoe. Just let sub tornado and blow up the viss

Boss*

[hollow stone]

"But my parse" @glass vessel

[runic maple]

anyone know of a good weakaura that helps u with tracking mobs that dont have rupture/garrote on them? or just maintaining garrote/rupture in general

[versed finch]

I need to do some research

[pearl meteor]

Better nameplates

[versed finch]

Rice use nameplate cooldowns

[pearl meteor]

Rice

[versed finch]

Or that

Something that just shows ur debuff on each target

[glass vessel]

@hollow stone i havent done mythic zul but on heroic i kind of understand. its a joke of a fight and at this point, doing that is fucking everyone elses parses and i have my 96+ already so i dont really care

i only do heroic for azerite and parses anyways at this point

[ionic charm]

Sub on average does 50% more boss damage than the next best class on Zul. Lol

[pearl meteor]

Heroic u will never parse

[hollow stone]

Yea. Im not on m zul either. But i foresee that reaction from my group

As me n the other r ogues yell at then

Them

[pearl meteor]

50% more? I doubled the ww in our raid

[glass vessel]

well you can shut them up and link the logs lol xD

[pearl meteor]

He was 2nd under rogues

Lmao

[glass vessel]

link mythic zul logs then they know

[ionic charm]

I mean I’m just going off wclog damage done to bosses

[pearl meteor]

Okok

[hollow stone]

Im basically rl since our gm doesnt talk enough in raid. Ill set em straight when we get there 😉

[pearl meteor]

If u dont have lots of rogues

[glass vessel]

im glad they didnt nerf sub again just because of that fight and they just let it be.

[pearl meteor]

Likely wont work out well for u

[glass vessel]

they dont do a fight like that again tho x)

[pearl meteor]

Cuz typically have a 3rd tank kite them in circles

For 5-6 rogues

[ionic charm]

My guild runs 3 but one will be staying sin... 🙄

[pearl meteor]

And without a bunch of rogues wont make up that 3rd tank dmg n too much aoe

[nimble tartan]

That guy staying sin is literally throwing lmao

[pearl meteor]

Yea

[ionic charm]

I agree

[nimble tartan]

We have 6 on zul

[pearl meteor]

Same

[nimble tartan]

2 mains 4 alts

[glass vessel]

why would you stay sin on zul lmao

[ionic charm]

He doesn’t believe there are literally 0 rogue parses other than sub

I don’t get it

[nimble tartan]

And even 350 alts doing a shitload more than the next best class

[pearl meteor]

We have 2 that are like 355-360 still more than next class by alot lmao

Yup

[glass vessel]

was thinking of trying shuriken tornado on zek tonight since we're progressing and adds dont die insanely quick

[pearl meteor]

Better enjoy it now

[nimble tartan]

Our 2 main rogues boss damage together make up more than the entire zul damage

[pearl meteor]

Fight like this will never come again lmao

[lone junco]

@nimble tartan i gotta suck it up and relearn sub.

[edgy latch]

@ionic charm wtf, you're 5/8 but you're not perm benching a guy refusing to go sub?

[lone junco]

ugh

[pearl meteor]

U dont hsve to relearn it

[primal gazelle]

there was a few fights like this in legion

so its not the first time

[pearl meteor]

Just storm evis rofl

[glass vessel]

@lone junco sub is easy fam

[lone junco]

fok env fok env

[nimble tartan]

We spent like 1 hr on zul already 13%

Actually free boss with rogues

[lone junco]

i did it on host and mistress

sub monster dfa

[ionic charm]

@edgy latch nah I’m 3/8 he’s saying this for when we get there

[lone junco]

but i dont have any traits

[edgy latch]

ah

[primal gazelle]

was sub more fun in legion?

[glass vessel]

most traits are fairly even with sub

[edgy latch]

we're hitting him up tonight

@nimble tartan hw many rogues are you running?

[nimble tartan]

Hes probably just uncomfortable

[primal gazelle]

sub got a ton of nerfs heading into bfa

[lone junco]

prob double archive and ditb would be enough.

[glass vessel]

as long as you have your archive/LM you're fine

[lone junco]

LM?

[pearl meteor]

He has 6 ronge

[glass vessel]

double archive ditb would be perfectly fine for sure

[ionic charm]

Should be killing vectis tonight hopefully. If OUR HEALERS GET THEIR SHIR TOGETHER lmao

[glass vessel]

lazer matrix @lone junco

[primal gazelle]

sub rotation is so easy on zul

how hard can it be to spam 2 buttons

[pearl meteor]

Fyi if ur not on zul yet

[primal gazelle]

FOK EVIS FOK EVIS

[edgy latch]

has been annoying with 100000 questions from the alt rogues

[pearl meteor]

Get a first dance trait for zul

[lone junco]

need Mastery stack to beat my sin prob

[pearl meteor]

First dance is op

[lone junco]

but ill work it out

[edgy latch]

"just hit storm evis"

[lone junco]

I could prob get 65%

[nimble tartan]

@edgy latch 6 rogue

[ionic charm]

Sub has fok? This is news

[edgy latch]

oh shi

we're just 4

😦

[pearl meteor]

Shurk storm

[lone junco]

have a socket mastery trinket just chilling in bags.

[pearl meteor]

@nimble tartan do you push b4 2nd hexer set?

[ionic charm]

I’m just messing with the dude that said fok Evis lol

[edgy latch]

wtb mastery trinks

[glass vessel]

i hope you've been saving mastery stuff from m+ x)

[edgy latch]

im doing zul with fathoms and spyglass...

[ionic charm]

Mastery trinkets and triple tradewinds I assume?

Is the ideal?

[pearl meteor]

First

Dance

First

[glass vessel]

@edgy latch even a 330 divers compss or w/e is insane

[pearl meteor]

Dance

[ionic charm]

Really?

[pearl meteor]

Yes

[ionic charm]

How?

[lone junco]

@glass vessel i have a bank full of shit > 340 rings and backs and boots. etc. should be ok.

[pearl meteor]

1 not all

[edgy latch]

dont really have time to gather more trnkets before raid

19:00

[glass vessel]

have you not went and gotten a pearl diver's compass or w/e from wq?

[primal gazelle]

first dance drops from fed

[ionic charm]

Isn’t first dance just ss or shuriken damage? Does it apply to Evis?

[glass vessel]

even a 330 version will sim insanely high

[ionic charm]

Btw this is now #subtlety

[pearl meteor]

Evis

[glass vessel]

lolol

[primal gazelle]

its 40% more crit on your 1st evis after dance

[pearl meteor]

It inc crit for first ss/evis after sd

[edgy latch]

ive been scrapping 340 trinkets after m+10 opened up

[runic maple]

is the better nameplates addon on curse? cant seem to find it

[lone junco]

@glass vessel neg. I would assume the arrok mastery trink +socket, and the fathoms should be ok

[edgy latch]

except fathoms

[glass vessel]

@lone junco yep that's what i use

55k jesus fucking christ

[primal gazelle]

private log im guessing?

[edgy latch]

how much mastery are you running omr?

[pearl meteor]

U guys r far from end lol

[ionic charm]

I wonder what traits that dude used

[pearl meteor]

In that pic

[lone junco]

list is old, but trinkets are the same.

[primal gazelle]

lol he called u a fraud 😄

[nimble tartan]

Ye its just a wipe think this was our 13% pull

[lone junco]

@nimble tartan ❤

[nimble tartan]

We only had 45 mins on boss pr like an hour

Should die 2nite

[pearl meteor]

If ur rogues r doing 4m dmg at 13% thats a yikes

[glass vessel]

still 55k @ 13% is insane

[pearl meteor]

We did 8m on ours

[edgy latch]

whats causing wipes for oyu

[nimble tartan]

Actually idr what % this one is

[glass vessel]

@lone junco yea azerroks will do jsut fine, i use a 360 version over my 330 compass because im lazy

[pearl meteor]

Yee lmao

[lone junco]

compass.. hrm

[nimble tartan]

I know im doing fine if i keep pace ill be r1 on this fight

Or like top 10

[pearl meteor]

We run 6 rogues as well

[glass vessel]

agi w/ mastery on use. its nuts if you get a good one

[pearl meteor]

Got r1 last week

[nimble tartan]

Im keeping up 40-45k dps on the fight

[pearl meteor]

👏

Ye was 45k at end

[nimble tartan]

I gotta pm my other rogues tonight

[hasty coral]

what stats do we go for zul mythic as sub?

[nimble tartan]

Cause i see some stuff wrong but its easily fixes stuff

[pearl meteor]

Mastery

Crit

[hasty coral]

ty

[nimble tartan]

Ye im running like 74% mastery

27 crit

[primal gazelle]

the #1 sub rogue boss dmg is at 36k dps, the next non-rogue is at #660 enchance sham at 18k dps lol

[pearl meteor]

First dance

All u need

[hollow stone]

All mastery does is buff evis, why would you want that for zul?!?! 🙃

[pearl meteor]

🤷‍♀️

[lone junco]

I could prob pull off double archive

[glass vessel]

nice meme apple

[tidal sedge]

!ss

[prisma monolith]

Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

[nimble tartan]

Yeah im using 2 archive first dance

[pearl meteor]

Archive is good

First dance is op

[lone junco]

saw tisumi at like 85% mastery 😐

[glass vessel]

maybe one day ill get 370 chest fro heroic to be able to stack good traits

[nimble tartan]

Using thicc harland and thicc on use pvp

Vers

[pearl meteor]

I have a 380 azerok and 370 dice for zul

[lone junco]

i just need to make the warriors stop killing craigs

[pearl meteor]

Sit em

[hollow stone]

Those pesky craigs

[pearl meteor]

Lmao

[glass vessel]

im fairly low ilvl but can still hit upwards of 80% in raid

[hollow stone]

Ruining the world for us majestic kevins

[glass vessel]

~370

[lone junco]

crawwwgg is such a shitty word

[glass vessel]

@lone junco also dont forget to have an OH w/ mastery enchant

obvious but i forgot at first x)

[nimble tartan]

Ye regem renchant all ur shit

[lone junco]

I actually have a spare 355 wep i can do

[pearl meteor]

370 monkaS

[lone junco]

mh has crit i guess

so yeah

[pearl meteor]

Not 370 monkaS

[lone junco]

its fine.

but yeah backwards

[glass vessel]

i got curious and simmed quick/masterful instead of quick/deadly weapon enchants on ST sin and was surprised how close it was for me

[lone junco]

armory isnt updated but quick is on mh. thats a bummer.

[pearl meteor]

Re enchant

[lone junco]

im down to like 2200g. ill pass on that. but the thought is good

i actually found some mop flasks for 2g last nigh 👌

[glass vessel]

rofl

[pearl meteor]

Raiding with 2200g 🤔

[glass vessel]

go pick up herb man

[pearl meteor]

How do u get pots

[glass vessel]

i thought i was broke at 40k x)

[pearl meteor]

Mop flasks

Yikes

[nimble tartan]

My guild gives me pots

Yeet

[pearl meteor]

??? Get me in

[glass vessel]

your mythic guild doesnt drop cauldrons lol?\

[pearl meteor]

Jk lol but lf pots

[nimble tartan]

I just show up get mailed hecka pots b4 raid

[glass vessel]

was about to say, yall some cheap fuckers lmao

[pearl meteor]

They drop everything

Except battle potions

[twilit sky]

cauldron is 12 flasks => 30 flasks

[pearl meteor]

Feelsbadman

[twilit sky]

If it doesn't proc

[glass vessel]

cant cauldrons proc like normal pots?

[pearl meteor]

Mhm

[glass vessel]

pretty sure our alchemy guy hit a +7 cauldron the first week

save 5m gold? ez

[ionic charm]

My guild that prides itself on giving everyone potions and flasks and enchants and gems and shit has every potion except agi

Like wtf

[glass vessel]

lmao

because our shit is crazy expensive

[lone junco]

yeah cauldrons can proc we crafted 8 got 15 or so last night

[glass vessel]

on my server str+int pots are like half the price

[pearl meteor]

Yup

Always

[lone junco]

I made most of my coin in Wod from AH app. so instead of fucking with you guys, i would have been flipping fish or something.

but they ripped that out.

so its just dwindled from 1m down to apparently 2200g

[nimble tartan]

Dam

[glass vessel]

stretched it a long while though. worth

[nimble tartan]

I started bfa with 2.5m

Im at 1m now

[lone junco]

nbd. i missed out on selling carries in legion

[nimble tartan]

Idk what happened

[glass vessel]

i made about 800k thix expac first week and havent done shit since lol

[lone junco]

fathoms got me.

[pearl meteor]

I spend 1m in two weeks

Smh

[tropic heron]

hey guys i just got my highest parse ever of 55 id like to thank you guys for helping me out with my rotation and gear

[nimble tartan]

Grats :)

[pearl meteor]

Grats 😃

[tropic heron]

thanks man thanks

[lone junco]

I tried to keep up with the inscription at bfa launch and milled herbs.

I was dumb.

[tropic heron]

i dedicate it to you guys in the discord for teaching me the ways

[lone junco]

Shoulda just sold them all.

[pearl meteor]

I mass made decks

Made around 5m

[lone junco]

i made decks for legion and wod and wotlk

but didnt have enough coin to buy herbs to burn the decks

it is what it is.

idc anymore.

[hollow stone]

I sold all the winter's kiss at launch. ALL. OF. IT.

[lone junco]

i should haev

[glass vessel]

i accidentally milled over 100 anchorweed

[lone junco]

milled for days.

same

[pearl meteor]

Yikes

[lone junco]

i was like Mass mill button

[glass vessel]

why is mass mill anchor weed even a fucking thing

bastards

[pearl meteor]

So i made a warrior

And had less than half the buttons of my rogue.

My bars feel so empty.

[hollow stone]

Same. But dh

Lol

[upper island]

Same but pally

[pearl meteor]

Ye i have a dh too lmao

[glass vessel]

going from rogue to DH was a snoozefest on ST

[pearl meteor]

I have to have 2 alts rdy for raid

[glass vessel]

go make a monk if you want more buttons x)

[nimble tartan]

I need an alt

Ranged

[glass vessel]

warlock

[pearl meteor]

Wl

[hollow stone]

Just got 1 alt thats actually good

[pearl meteor]

Rofl

[nimble tartan]

Having melees are a trap

[hollow stone]

Mage

Maaaaage

[pearl meteor]

I have a wl also

[glass vessel]

warlock!!!

[nimble tartan]

Mage are ok

They arent as op as like lock or bms

[hollow stone]

Mage god tier m+ and good in raid

[pearl meteor]

I have too much time clearly

[glass vessel]

warlock godtier in m+ and raid x)

[nimble tartan]

But do u need more than 2 mage

[pearl meteor]

Big facts

[hollow stone]

Nuhuh

[nimble tartan]

U def want more locks

And even bms

[pearl meteor]

Wl is the safe pick

For ranged

[hollow stone]

Boo lock booo

[glass vessel]

only thing i dont like about warlock

[pearl meteor]

Similar to rogue for melee

[nimble tartan]

I just have no lock experience

[pearl meteor]

Its ex

[nimble tartan]

I have mage hunter xp

[pearl meteor]

Ez

Trust

[hollow stone]

Yea. Afflock feels similar to sin rogue tbh

[pearl meteor]

Ur a ranged sin rogue

[glass vessel]

is you're automatically one of the ones who travels to summon since you have the fucking portal

and im a lazy fuck

[nimble tartan]

Ok ill boost a lock 2nite

[hollow stone]

Esp w death bolt

[pearl meteor]

Pog

[hollow stone]

Death bolt is lock exsang

N feels goood

[pearl meteor]

Yup

[hollow stone]

But no, maaaage

[nimble tartan]

But ill play CHAD DEMO

YEET

[indigo verge]

with Toxic blade do u use GC on cd or do u hold it for toxic blade

[pearl meteor]

Itll line up

[glass vessel]

just use TB on cd it'll be up

[round harbor]

Wish GC was a 2 minute with a little more stats

[primal gazelle]

locks has been pretty good for the past few raid tiers consistently

[round harbor]

I still need a 2 min on use trinket

[ionic charm]

I’m pretty sure if you ask a TB user anything they’ll say don’t hold it

[pearl meteor]

Mhm

[hollow stone]

Yea. But lock was garbage tier at legion launch and that ruined it for me

Go mage

😃

[pearl meteor]

Mage is aids

😃

[upper island]

then you were running fire mage 🤢

[tropic heron]

they should add a new rogue ranged spec with SMG's

[pearl meteor]

Lol wut

[tropic heron]

i mean outlaw already has a pistol

may a well give us more guns right

[pearl meteor]

Mages b blastin u with magic u jus pull out an uzi

[ionic charm]

If any melee class deserves a range dps class it’s paladins

[pearl meteor]

Dont say such things

[tropic heron]

paladins already have tank dps and healing man

[nimble tartan]

So many people in my guild have lock alts tho

[pearl meteor]

Sooo?

[tropic heron]

maybe the paladins will

[hollow stone]

All im hearing is mage

[tropic heron]

throw holy hammers at people

[nimble tartan]

But no mage alts...

[pearl meteor]

U need 4+ for ghuun/myth anyways

[primal gazelle]

when theres like magical spells that does crazy shit in wow, but you still see alliance/horde soldiers carrying those single shot/reload rifles

[nimble tartan]

Id 100% be better than them tho tbh

[pearl meteor]

4 is req’d for ghuun

[nimble tartan]

We have 4 lock mains for ghuun already

[pearl meteor]

Ah ok

[ionic charm]

Yes but they also make the most sense for a range dps. Bring back seals, dnd style consecrate, exorcism as filler, judgement with different effects based on seal etc

[upper island]

they have 2 choices, advance technologically or magically, they went with magic

[ionic charm]

For paladins. I’m slow at typing on this phone

[hollow stone]

Nah, dh needs a ranged spec w the same amount of mobility. They only have 2 specs, it just makes sense

[pearl meteor]

Tbh im with @tropic heron we shld b able to whip out an uzi on bitches

Lmao

Hard agree

Apple

[tropic heron]

LOL

[pearl meteor]

Ranged dh yes

Pls

[round harbor]

Pull out my gat and go dumb on em

[tropic heron]

boomerang DH spec

[pearl meteor]

Skrrrah

[tropic heron]

keeps throwing glaives like boomeranges

[round harbor]

As my boy Bobby Shmurda would say

[hollow stone]

Brb, reserving name "glaivechuckr"

[pearl meteor]

Lol

Y nit glaivethrower

Not*

[hollow stone]

Too long

[pearl meteor]

O

[hollow stone]

12 letters max

[pearl meteor]

Ic

[round harbor]

Just aslong as you don't do spearchuckr

U probly get banned for that

[wise socket]

What is the best way to sim for m+? i have been doing 3 targets 40 sec. is there a better way?

[hollow stone]

My guildie is named asstaxi. Idk if blizz really cares anymore

[round harbor]

Lmoa

[pearl meteor]

6 targets 40s

5+ rly

[round harbor]

Uh

Probly 3 lol

[wise socket]

Eh idk no one ever pulls that much in my runs since i mostly pug

[round harbor]

You don't pull 5 that often

[pearl meteor]

If ur only pulling 3 thats a yikes from me

[round harbor]

Depends on the week

And the group

[pearl meteor]

Nop

[round harbor]

And the level of dungeon

[pearl meteor]

I b pulling packs together in a 15

[oblique copper]

this shit sims better than everything else for me for some reason on single target

[hollow stone]

If only you had a mage so your tank could kite if needed 💩🙃

[oblique copper]

how to play with master assassin

[ionic charm]

Well yeah @oblique copper that’s currently the “ideal” talents

[pearl meteor]

Lf rogue ranged spec

[round harbor]

Outlaw

[pearl meteor]

😠

No

[round harbor]

Pistol shot only ironman

[pearl meteor]

Lol

[round harbor]

Ganggang

[hollow stone]

Wtt range rogue for triage rogue using energy instead of mana and heals based on energy spent. Pst

[pearl meteor]

Lf snek build for pistol shot

[indigo verge]

what do u think an ilvl 370 rogue should be simming at?

[round harbor]

Same tbh

[pearl meteor]

Uh 15-16k

[round harbor]

PS as builder and just use BtE as only spender

[indigo verge]

im at 14.7k but my friends dh at the same ilvl is at 15.6k

[round harbor]

I'd be dowb

[indigo verge]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/p67nMRpccDUaVRVdjSE6qw

what do u think is holding me down here?

[hollow stone]

Without looking, "need more haste" is prob the answer

[pearl meteor]

Lol

Swirling

For one

[main blaze]

Take archive on chest

You dont have any reorrigination stacks

[pearl meteor]

That too

Stop using exsang also

Switch to archive and tb

Then sim

[hollow stone]

...and more haste..?

[indigo verge]

kk

[pearl meteor]

Wld switch To MA also

[main blaze]

His haste is fine

[pearl meteor]

Possibly

Whats his haste at?

[main blaze]

1150

[hollow stone]

Oh yea. Thats fine

[pearl meteor]

Ye his haste is fine

[indigo verge]

https://gyazo.com/e576de7d2689863c68aa68b2fabaaae0

these are the other helmets i have

[quick fog]

Vomit traits

[main blaze]

Helm off of vectis would help most

[pearl meteor]

Ur likely gonan keep helm but u can try 370 twist

[main blaze]

385 is probably strongest

[indigo verge]

kk i'll sim 370 twist and vectis reorigniation

[woeful moth]

Is there a certain trait we should be aiming for right now or is it anything goes and 1 reorg trait

[main blaze]

If you dont get vectis helm you need to take archive on the chest

[pearl meteor]

Try tb vs exsang after

[ionic charm]

Honestly you should sim 355 archive helm with 370 ss chest

Since you still need archive

[pearl meteor]

Depends what u wanna play ara

[indigo verge]

https://gyazo.com/25e4a74fa4d785038c280a3bf952a5ad

these are my trinkets

[pearl meteor]

For exsang double ss is still strong

[woeful moth]

Big pp dps role

[pearl meteor]

Sim dice with socket

[main blaze]

That socket loaded dice is probably decent too

[pearl meteor]

Will b more

[woeful moth]

I’ve had 350 socket dice for the last 3 weeks. Love it

[indigo verge]

when i simmed before it's usually lower but maybe with tb and no ss it will be better

[pearl meteor]

Ye exsang spikes gc

[woeful moth]

Maybe longer

[main blaze]

Dice is a solid trinket

[woeful moth]

Right now I have double ss and archive with 5 stacks. Summing 14.5k and actual is between 11-12.5k

[pearl meteor]

Ilvl?

[woeful moth]

Oh. One ss and dagger in the back

[dark token]

Don't listen to anarchy he is a noob

[woeful moth]

360

[pearl meteor]

Frozen salty

😃

U have gc ara?

[woeful moth]

Gc?

[pearl meteor]

Gale callers

[woeful moth]

No

[pearl meteor]

Playing exsang?

[woeful moth]

Yes

[pearl meteor]

Get one

[woeful moth]

I have the deck

[pearl meteor]

Fathoms gc

All u need

[dark token]

Just get one he says 4Head

[woeful moth]

Fathoms dice right now

[pearl meteor]

Tbh not hard if ur not bad like frozen

😃

[clever tartan]

Fathom dice is good too

[lone junco]

@oblique copper thats normal. MA TB is a thing now.

[pearl meteor]

Gc heavily out weighs dice for exsang

[dark token]

As soon as I get galecallers I'm afk till 8.1

[pearl meteor]

Lolol

[golden nexus]

Exsang is no longer the go to?

[lone junco]

I got a TF box one first week from M+

[pearl meteor]

Depends on ur gear.

[lone junco]

yay I am good at Box loot.

[desert pelican]

Recently got 370 pvp trinket for 1.5 k agility, swapped my 55 gf, and dont need to worry abot move in burst window ;)

[pearl meteor]

@dark token sims 17k with exsang

😃

[dark token]

17.1 ahem

[pearl meteor]

Hes boosted btw

[ionic charm]

We play world of sim craft, you gotta figure out how to play your character with math

[woeful moth]

Should I be switching to tb until I get two ss

[dark token]

I need galecallers to break the dps Mach speed continuum

[pearl meteor]

🙃🙃🙃 likely yes

[indigo verge]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/umJckptv3RhXhP2aczzqaT

ty guys

[pearl meteor]

There ya go

1k more pog

[dark token]

355 is no bueno

[indigo verge]

annoying i have to keep reforging my chest tho for m+

[ionic charm]

It’s like 600 alone from reorigination stacks lul

[indigo verge]

what weapon enchants do you use?

[pearl meteor]

My reforge cost is 80k rn

[lone junco]

seee. 14.7 to 15.5 just with a flippy flow of traits

[dark token]

Try m zul reforging 4x a week

[pearl meteor]

^

[compact bolt]

Is exang still OP in m+ i lose 60ilvls to run them and it doesn't feel that much stronger than TB

[dark token]

Raid won't let me play sin xd

[pearl meteor]

80k is a yikes

[lone junco]

got down to 180g reforge. 3ss. or 2ss + arch

yay

[dark token]

I wanted to gquit when I got zul shoulders so I could keep my reforge cost down

[lone junco]

when ST is 0.1% gain to be Ditb/Laser/Arch over Arch /ss/ss

[ionic charm]

@pearl meteor I need to start tracking how often you say “that’s a yikes”

[pearl meteor]

U do yea

[dark token]

Protip it's a lot

[pearl meteor]

Also

Ty for those frozen

[pearl meteor]

Those were 1.1k dps lol

[dark token]

I give u all the good shit bish

[pearl meteor]

Rofl

[dark token]

I gotta share my boost

[pearl meteor]

Cuz ur boosted

[compact bolt]

Back when i was going between combat n assass XD

[pearl meteor]

Yee

[woeful moth]

Ouch

[pearl meteor]

Yikes

[lone junco]

yeah. fuck that.

[dark token]

Lol

[woeful moth]

I can’t do that. Only have 10k right now

[lone junco]

ss ss ss. archive ss ss win.

no need burn shit for 0.1% gain.

[dark token]

If blizzard fixes reforge I wouldn't mind azerite tbh

[woeful moth]

It’s getting that damn ss gear that’s a pain

[lone junco]

thats less than a fucking fart during your opener

[pearl meteor]

Wym azerite is fine 🙃

[woeful moth]

Taking that ilvl hit to have traits is dumb

[dark token]

They won't fix reforge for 8.1 they said

[pearl meteor]

Lol

Dm me btw

[woeful moth]

I once went into raid with 335 chest to have ss

When I had a 365

That was 3 ss though

Before the nerf

[desert pelican]

Losing like 9 overall ilvla in m+ when swqpped to triple ss -_-

[wheat zealot]

Same, but its worth

[desert pelican]

^

[woeful moth]

Indy dev making a game mechanic that feels bad

[wheat zealot]

375 overall 368 in m+ set with x3 ss

Would be even worse for people without chest off fetid

[pearl meteor]

Dead game

[strange python]

Indie*

[pearl meteor]

Right right ty

[desert pelican]

Likely im getting 55 chest from quest some weeks ago with ss. No more pieces over 40 -_-

[slender hare]

Still haven’t gotten Fetid chest 😦

[dark token]

Right now I don't know if I would take a lower ilvl piece over higher ilv one ever

[strange python]

Well I got a 370 fetid chest

Rest SS are 340 though

[dark token]

Trait balance is in a good place imo

[pearl meteor]

Yikes

[dark token]

They just need to make more not passive

[strange python]

Trait balancing good?

[dark token]

Yes

[pearl meteor]

I wld take a 370 ss over shit 385 tbh

[strange python]

[woeful moth]

Got that off fetid chest

[pearl meteor]

For exsang atleast

[woeful moth]

Lfg

[ionic charm]

In the 6target 40s sim with vanish my 385 blightborne beats 340ss. It’s not always just as cut and dry as “use ss in m+”

[pearl meteor]

Yes ofc

[dark token]

I think if I got shit 385, going tb with it would be more dps than 370 SS exsang

[pearl meteor]

Just use 385 ss like frozen

😃

[dark token]

2 385 ss ahem

[indigo verge]

does ur rotation change if you have master assassin?

[pearl meteor]

🤔🤔🤔

Yes

[ionic charm]

Oops lol

[pearl meteor]

Lolol

[indigo verge]

what do u do after vanish

[ionic charm]

Meant to do that to frozens one hahaha

[strange python]

kill

[pearl meteor]

Tb

[woeful moth]

Run

[pearl meteor]

Env

[strange python]

Sprint

[pearl meteor]

Mut mut env

[dark token]

Tbh I'm glad I'm not raiding rn my provider has had internet issue for last week

[pearl meteor]

Wym dude

[indigo verge]

actually there was a spreadsheet that explained it i think

[strange python]

Yes

[pearl meteor]

Ur taking my spot tonight im going to sleep

[dark token]

Only reason I didn't fuck up Tues is cause those bosses are easy af

O

Shit.

[indigo verge]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xac5HPe_-CgXJo4yUiv_LJldqLu5WjPjUq9d0wRqmIg/edit#gid=0

[pearl meteor]

Haha

[dark token]

I guess I'm going to internet cafe

[pearl meteor]

Rofl

[gaunt isle]

besides garrote silence/iron wire dmg reduction, why do you guys think assa is superior in m+ over outlaw during fortified weeks?

[pearl meteor]

I shld b up 🤔

But it is 9am and i havent slept

[wheat zealot]

2 385 ss's monkaS

[gaunt isle]

seems like OL does more AoE and has similair utility

[dark token]

If you aren't dw brownname is in

[pearl meteor]

Rip

[wheat zealot]

Would actually kill a newborn for 2 385 ss pieces

[pearl meteor]

He shld b in anyways imo

[wheat zealot]

No lies spoken

[pearl meteor]

Lmao

[dark token]

Yeah

[silk carbon]

ez

choice

[dark token]

Bench both rogues

[pearl meteor]

Dw @wheat zealot frozen can teach u how

To get 385 ss

[dark token]

Step 1

[pearl meteor]

🙃

[lean coral]

anyone know if the subterfuge garrote bug is still a thing

[dark token]

Get assblasted by blizzard for 3 weeks with no azerite

[clever tartan]

Just pvp

[dark token]

Threaten to unsub

[clever tartan]

Get the SS pvp chest

[pearl meteor]

It is shay

[clever tartan]

Push 2.1

[strange python]

@lean coral there is no subterfuge bug

[clever tartan]

Upgrade

[ionic charm]

@gaunt isle because sin is much better for boss damage with similar aoe with targets that live long enough, aka fort trash

[clever tartan]

Easy

[dark token]

Then 4th week loot 3 385s

[pearl meteor]

Its ss bug

[silk carbon]

blizzard doesnt fix bugs

you have to play around them

[pearl meteor]

Lol

Ez unsub

Next week

If i dont get helm

[dark token]

I wasgonna unsub after tier actually if I didn't get a m+ cache azerite till then

[gaunt isle]

ive seen some OLs pull crazy overall damage tho, but that was on tyrant weeks @ionic charm

[dark token]

Now I feel like I cant

[pearl meteor]

Lol

[dark token]

Blizzard playing 200iq games

[pearl meteor]

Not allowed

Blozzard

[dark token]

If they make me play sub for fetid

[strange python]

why would they

[pearl meteor]

Lololol

[dark token]

I'm gonna day I'm using 340s

Say

[pearl meteor]

Cuz hes the sub

Im the sin

[dark token]

or bench me bitches

[pearl meteor]

For fetid 😃

[ionic charm]

@gaunt isle if anything outlaw is better for tyrannical because the trash doesn’t live long. But certainly worse boss damage

[pearl meteor]

Lmao

[dark token]

Cause we suck on add dmg so they need my big add dmg to carry

[pearl meteor]

:^)

[strange python]

just say that u accidentally scrapped SUb azerite gear

[pearl meteor]

And i dont want to

🙃

[dark token]

I disenchanted

It must be nice to AFK on mutated Mass with all the other melee

Me and zax we are real men

[pearl meteor]

Rofl

[ionic charm]

Good thing I didn’t DE my 385 first dance chest because I thought it was shit

[pearl meteor]

First dance is lit

If im in on ghuun i may play sub 🤷‍♀️

[strange python]

To run orbs?

😃

[pearl meteor]

haHA

[rich wren]

That's gotta be the strangest fight

[dark token]

Ss ss vanishss op

[pearl meteor]

🤷‍♀️

[desert pelican]

@dark token srsly assblasted by blizz 3 weeks no azerite?) Im didnt see any azerite or double items in any chest from the start ;D

[pearl meteor]

Double items were removed

B4 game went live

[desert pelican]

Rly? Thz ;D

[pearl meteor]

Haha ye

[strange python]

Wasn't that initially a bug?