anyone know why i dont get gear upgrades?
#assassination
cyan frost
calm grail
So with the new Double Double/Mutilate logic, is the requisite having 2+ DD? Or does having 1 rank change anything?
I ask because I still have a single 385 DD
so in a 3 target situation I would spread poisons with fan if needed then use Mutilate to generate cps?
strange python
tropic heron
doesi t matter which hand has which enchant?
my sims are making it look like it doesnt matter
calm grail
Yeah I read that, maybe I'm wheelchair but I didn't understand it as well as I'd like.
tropic heron
but my frined told me to make my MH have the main stat
tropic heron
ok ill go tlel my friend hes full of it
strange python
Use Fan of Knives any time a target doesn't have Deadly Poison at 3 targets (or 3-4 with 2+ Ranks of Double Dose)
plain thistle
with 1 DD you FoK at 3 targets just to keep poison and with 2 DD 3-4 targets
thats what I understood at least
calm grail
So if shits bleeding and poisoned just mutilate away until you need to refresh shit?
still pewter
Ya
strange python
1DD = Use Fan of Knives any time a target doesn't have Deadly Poison at 3 targets, otherwise use Mutilate on your primary target
plain thistle
yup
gilded yoke
if I have to wait for energy to rebuild and I playing the spec wrong or are their times to "breath" and let energy re gen?
strange python
Thats called pooling
gilded yoke
lol
plain cairn
Did we get any nerfs today guyz ? i sim 400 dps lower with a ring upgrade....
strange python
No
plain cairn
any ideas how its possible ?
void pecan
wrong talents?
pastel crystal
well sounds like its not an upgrade
plain cairn
im dumb its okay
calm grail
Are your weapons equipped?
plain cairn
i have CT ..
void pecan
you're welcome.
plain cairn
π
void pecan
I do that all the time
void pecan
Yepp same
plain cairn
thats exactly what happened
proven ice
battle agi
safe matrix
It doesn't scale with targets at all
proven ice
If you're poor, I guess
north terrace
Could sim it. I think it's slightly worse but honestly not horrible on ST
frosty gyro
What's the deal with crimson tempest vs poison bomb in M+? Just personal preference?
safe matrix
CT
unborn plume
This week posion bomb should be better right? or? even single target bosses?
safe matrix
Except on like KR
dense quest
I have like a bunch so I just use it on trash in M+ except for boss pulls
proven ice
You can make the case for poison bomb on tyrannical, but CT is the go to
strange python
How is this week ST build better
When its fortified
π€
Depends on key level, dungeon and affixes. Thereβs definitely no go-to
unborn plume
it's tyrannical
weary merlin
That was last week
unborn plume
yes, and im not on US
strange python
You could've said that
proven ice
I'm sorry to hear that
strange python
π
frosty gyro
CT for fort makes sense
strange python
worse
proven ice
Depends how long they live
The best for this week is probably 1 1 1.
ss sob archive
proven ice
frosty gyro
Right now I'm Laser/SS/SS considering if it's worth trying to get a 340 from M0 to replace 370 laser for M+
Or if it won't really matter
proven ice
Laser is worse than arch on aoe
strange python
I think u should just go Triple SS if available up until 10+
frosty gyro
Well if I get a drop from vectis sure I guess
I don't usually run anything under 9
Only got 2 SS and 1 hat with laser that's 370
No reliable replacement besides like a 340 possibly
proven ice
then run that
stable pine
Hey fam - quick question! Are you suppose to be running 3xSS for keys still?
frosty gyro
Probably if you got it
proven ice
If you can without sarcrificing much ilvl
stable pine
@proven ice thanks boss
frosty gyro
Archive of the titans and scent of blood are also good but definitely at least 1ss
strange python
Stuff dies pretty quickly even if fortified
Until like +9-10
After that, you should get stat buff traits
Archive, unstable catalysts
glacial steppe
since i cant do legy dps logs
proven ice
SOB takes over at high keys
glacial steppe
ill farm legy heal logs
proven ice
100% run 370 laser over 340 anything
stable pine
Iβm talking 10+ keys
frosty gyro
Even a 340 ss?
stable pine
Should u still run 3xSS?
proven ice
Yes
strange python
Well if shit doesnt die so quickly on +10
Like I said
You'd be better off getting archive, unstable catalyst
stable pine
Does traits scale with the ilvl of azerite?
frosty gyro
yep
proven ice
Some better than others
frosty gyro
It's why all the traits are flat numbers instead of % based
stable pine
Mean - just got a 385 chest with SS from weekly chest
proven ice
fuck you
stable pine
It will compensate for my skills @proven ice - you donβt need it babe youβre good
stable pine
Good stats?
proven ice
crit mast
frosty gyro
I want that mother wep
stable pine
Both of my weapons from mother
frosty gyro
385 pants I think
stable pine
My melees does so much dmg itβs disgusting
proven ice
If I get it, I'm throwing the dagger I just got away π¦
frosty gyro
I have 2 370 weps so it's not that bad but a 385 mh would be quite nice
frosty gyro
I'd be 375 equipped if the ghuun trinket wasn't godawful
steel geyser
What's your go to opener on m+ multi targets with exsg CT build and 1 SS trait ?
I don't know if my first cp spender should be rupture on main target or CT. I guess that depends on whether or not there is a fat priority target but I'm curious what you guys are doing
frosty gyro
Also it's gret how fathoms is better than the BiS trinket at 375
proven ice
Fathoms is silly
dense quest
gggct
strange python
If Raidbots tells you to stack 3 x Overwhelming Power traits (for patchwork and also cleave) do you just go for it or do you also take damage patterns into consideration?
frosty gyro
Probably like gar>gar>gar>ct>fok>rup>fok>rup>fok>rup>keep stuff up
carmine valve
I remember I used wowanalyzer in legion, is it comming back soon for uldir?
proven ice
Yeah, 375 if I had fathoms on
dense quest
wowanalyzer still around
frosty gyro
What are your non fathoms trinkets?
dense quest
dont think its ever gone
wary anchor
i have fukin 32% crit π¦
frosty gyro
I have a 365 lustrous plumage and 375 lion's guile which are both worse than fathoms π€
stable pine
Like wtf!!!!
frosty gyro
Only 18% crit send help
stable pine
I have 385 trinket with socket from Taloc and it sim lower than fathom
frosty gyro
Construct Overcharger is hot garbage
proven ice
Same
proven ice
I couldn't even trade it
paper aspen
I thought the Overcharger was one of the better trinkets depending on ilvl
frosty gyro
Nope
void pecan
lol no
stable pine
Bet you wasted a bonus roll on that garbage too @proven ice π
dense quest
remember when final boss trinket of a raid was BIS?
proven ice
Why would i bonus roll taloc
void pecan
gloves are.. crit/haste iirc
frosty gyro
Yep
proven ice
stable pine
Yeah I want glove from Taloc - my stats are such a mess - crit is at like 35% so sad
frosty gyro
Nice
My stats are optimized to the point that agility is my best stat which I think is pretty good π€
Is there a way to do a raidbots sim with reorigination array?
paper aspen
If Overcharger isn't good, what is? And is that due to higher ilvl or what?
void pecan
proven ice
wary anchor
is exang build good with a lot of crit?
dense quest
sim it you will know
proven ice
I doubt it would change your stat weights that much.
Haste and mastery both give you bleed damage, so it probably favors less crit
frosty gyro
Most things are better than overcharger even at lower ilv. The top like 6 or 7 trinkets are better at 355 compared to 385 overcharger
paper aspen
Top 6 or 7? I would have sworn sworn Overcharger was top 5 on it's own.
frosty gyro
According to what?
Overcharger has always been near the bottom
TBH not the biggest fan of gc
proven ice
This one???
magic ginkgo
Why is exsanguinate better in dungeons than TB ?
void pecan
That fat burst yo
proven ice
to recover energy from gggct
frosty gyro
Probably because everyone uses SS lol
proven ice
It's not that good tho
frosty gyro
Exsang and TB sim like 10DPS apart for me
distant vale
Strangely, I came in here to ask about Overcharger. I tried it in a couple mythics last night, and it felt like the proc was waaay more active than before. Was that just luck, or is it possible it received a stealth buff?
Because before it would rarely get past 3 stacks.
frosty gyro
Idk it's possible blizzard does that all the time
paper aspen
I must have heard wrong about it, which is unfortunate since I currently use it.
frosty gyro
Maybe they'll stealth buff the ghuun trinket
proven ice
It needs to hit for like 10k for it to be OK
vestal wren
they already buffed the ghuun trinket and its still π©
proven ice
It spits like 3 times on a proc
paper aspen
If I'm in a fight that lasts longer than a minute, I would fully stack.
frosty gyro
Did they buff it?
distant vale
Gonna do slap a dummy and report back.
frosty gyro
I mean it just doesn't proc enough I think
vestal wren
381 π
proven ice
As of last week wednesday
void pecan
π
oblique sundial
is 3x SS the better stacks for M+ ?
void pecan
yes
frosty gyro
Just looking at the trinket you would think that it would be the type to basically perma stack
Maybe fall off once fduring the fight
π€
echo garnet
Iβm in the same boat @frosty gyro I have a 370 guile
distant vale
That uptime seems way improved from when I tried it ~3 weeks ago.
proven ice
nobody in the top 100 on taloc
frosty gyro
Probably nobody in the top 1000 on anything
red prism
I have the trinket
frosty gyro
It's worse than overcharger and harder to get
proven ice
Or mother.
frosty gyro
But do you use it?
red prism
its that or a 325 trinket i have
red prism
Ill have to find the logs where i used it
i jsut got it sunday in normal, then we went and wiped multiple times on taloc, so there shoudl be some data there
for some reason its not showing details
that is the log you would be talking about right?
void pecan
no
red prism
the top fight, heroic taloc is where i used it
void pecan
actually warcraftlogs.com
frosty gyro
Yknow the proc rate and damage of the ghuun trinket isn't bad
It's actually quite good
frosty gyro
It just has vers instead of mainstat
round vine
confused by herodamage: says 3 stacks of archive/matrix is best, then when combination is clicked, it says x3 doubledose is best. which is it lol?
frosty gyro
That's the real issue
proven ice
red prism
I appreciate the feedback, so make sure Im refreshing garrote and rupture more often?
red prism
i was talking with someone and he was insisting i needed the envenom buff up 85%-100$% of the time
proven ice
lilac lily
Well, Taloc has the elevator phase
round vine
whats best azerite, assuming same ilvl, x3 archive/matrix or x3 double dose? for st.
void pecan
2x dd 1 archive is what people are running
frosty gyro
1xuldir trait 2xdd
lilac lily
Probably 1x Archive/LM and 2x DD
frosty gyro
Laser matrix needs to sto[p
lilac lily
but 
just to be sure
proven ice
1 archive/laser 2 DD
round vine
ok thanks
proven ice
But there's no DD anywhere
exotic glen
that is assuming you are talking about in the raid
round vine
yeah raid only
fervent fox
you guys running CT for m+ this week?
stable pine
@proven ice analysis my log too please
exotic glen
every week
proven ice
What log
little sparrow
#1 in M+ isn't as much about a singular player as it is a team
obsidian finch
is more than 1 garrote traite good for m+?
frosty gyro
Yeah
cyan frost
do people use subterfuge in raids anymore
frosty gyro
Yes
little sparrow
Look at the logs @cyan frost
frosty gyro
You use Master Assassin if you have like 2x DD and are playing TB I think
exotic glen
poison bomb is only used on like temple of sethralis
frosty gyro
Otherwise sub
frosty gyro
Okay well
spring prawn
does any have CR timer WA?
strange python
Kings rest is PB too
exotic glen
#1 m+ rogue you say?
spring prawn
im 1.4k score, poison bomb on Tempel, KR, MAYBE shrine
frosty gyro
Let's see
hollow stone
Quick, everyone @ seliathan w your m+ questions
void pecan
Where's that boy slethi at...
frosty gyro
#1/6/8 atal dazar
void pecan
he'll set y'all strait.
hollow stone
I hear he loves answering questions that are @'d @ him
frosty gyro
Lot of people using PB
hazy sphinx
This week I'm using CT
primal gazelle
are glyths still a thing in bfa
frosty gyro
Most of those are tyrannical
hazy sphinx
Pretty good to even out dmg for bolsters
frosty gyro
Actually like all of them are tyrannical
void pecan
@hollow stone git on out of here.
frosty gyro
Looks like people don't push as high on fort
hollow stone
π
strange python
yeah because fort is aids this xpac
hollow stone
Me thinks good week for pushin'
hazy sphinx
Still runnin darkmoon and galecallers with like 15 ilvl less
3 of those have sockets.
frosty gyro
fathoms is cancer
final stone
@hollow stone agreed
quartz nest
Yeah I'm in the same position as you Zid.... lol
paper root
the raid ones are hopelessly bad thou
frosty gyro
I'd love to get a trinket that beats fathoms
void pecan
TFW you get a 380 dice in your chest this week.
proven ice
This is a 92% on taloc, you're doing fine. @stable pine
Improvements are going to come from cheesy stuff like using cloak to dps adds in elevator phase and using feight to stay on taloc during cudgel.
paper root
im running 370 harlans ove 355 galecaller but fathoms is sitll there
i also have 385 construct from taloc, and 355 fathoms is alot better
frosty gyro
And just executing better
paper root
when i get 370 galecaller il prolly drop the fathoms singletarget
hazy sphinx
galecallers isn't being used to full potential.
hollow stone
My 390 taloc trinket w socket sims lower than fathoms...
frosty gyro
Yeah that's why I don't use it
hazy sphinx
i have a 365 galecallers
paper root
370 deadeye and il drop the fathoms in m+
frosty gyro
Because sims assume you get to stand in 100% of galecallers
Which doesn't happen all the time
keen spruce
I forgot to cap pvp last week 
red prism
@proven ice how did you get that view?
proven ice
Which?
red prism
the timeline that shwoed the gaps
spring prawn
aoe harlans and gale
hazy sphinx
Don't have a spyglass... yet
frosty gyro
But I don't like gale
hazy sphinx
Let me take a pic of what i have
exotic glen
@stable pine you didnt use any agi pots on taloc
void pecan
This for M+ no?
frosty gyro
Plumage is also nice
proven ice
spring prawn
aoe galecaller + harlan
frosty gyro
Azerokk is really good AOE iirc
spring prawn
ST galecaller MAYBE plum
hazy sphinx
cant stack their usage
proven ice
I would guess fathoms + GC/plume
hazy sphinx
thats what im at right now
proven ice
Assuming TB
proven ice
Too much ss?
hazy sphinx
Just 1.
spring prawn
ye but AOE defo galecaller+harlan
frosty gyro
And it's more consistent than galecallers
hazy sphinx
gonna sim a boss with heavy movement to see what it says
In mother, galecallers is shit
even in taloc sometimes
ember ermine
GCB on mother seems fine going last no?
hazy sphinx
On mythic there's too much movement
frosty gyro
pls let me go last so I can pad dps with galecallers thx
Also yeah LOTAS of movement
hazy sphinx
Simmed as a heavy movement, and it still shows galecallers as top. Feel like I can't really trust the sims.
frosty gyro
I don't think that's what heavy movement does
Also if you use SimC instead of Raidbots I wouldn't trust the APL either
hazy sphinx
I use raidbots.
ionic charm
Heavy movement still gives you first 10s without any movement anyways right?
frosty gyro
Yeah but idk if it even affects galecallers in sims
hazy sphinx
Just looking at the top 10 sin rogues in m taloc
7 have fathoms
4 have galecallers
frosty gyro
Doesn't show ilvs though π€
storm belfry
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/icgrnCXKSCchQFBks5KgqX QQ too low for me
hazy sphinx
you can just click and check.
#1 dude is using fathoms with the plumage, 370
I got a 380 one
frosty gyro
I bet #1 guy abused the crap out of blood rite and volatile droplets
void pecan
^
hazy sphinx
But I feel I can improve my dmg by changing my trinkets
So I'm gonna run the dice and...
What else?>
frosty gyro
I just want a harlans
void pecan
get one out of your box.
frosty gyro
Just go harlans+plumage
No I got 385 SS shoulders from my box π
Compliments my 385 SS chest
hazy sphinx
Juicy
I have a 385 chest with SS and Archive
SS still better.
k so harlans and plumage for aoe is reade
shy escarp
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dusky tinsel
got 385 shoulders with DD, now Sin sims higher than Sub for me, so time to make the switch π€· only downside is any of my SS trait gear sims too low to be used π¦
hazy sphinx
@frosty gyro What would you rock single?
frosty gyro
Single?
Oh uh
Probably plumage and something else
Much easier to sim that though
frosty gyro
The sockets make it harder to judge
Well I wouldn't use galecallers esxcept for like vectis
frosty gyro
SB was actually interesting and it got overnerfed so hard
Also nerfing something by making stacking it less effective is stupid
Why do we even have stacking if you're gonna do that
tacit steppe
tfw you get azerite but garbage traits :)))
frosty gyro
what traits
tacit steppe
tacit steppe
i mean... snek builds i guesss?
hazy sphinx
snake eyes
silk sundial
First dance is good
hazy sphinx
juicy for outlaw
silk sundial
First dance at 1 or 2 stacks is good, kinda changes your rotation a little bit
frosty gyro
Playing snek is actually much more fun than normal outlaw I wish you didn't have to get so many
Yeah first dance and poisoned wire seem neat for that
cedar kelp
the opener without a SS trait feels so clanky to me...
hazy sphinx
It is
So @frosty gyro
Im lookin at the logs
And they all say that the top trinkets for all these fights are
fathoms and harlans
frosty gyro
I mean it's stupid that everyone bis is a 355 crafted trinket that most people got week 1 or 2
void pecan
Never seen noobe get defensive about something bfore. phew.
dark crag
I don't understand why blizz doesn't buff the raid trinkets a bit
frosty gyro
Until you get like 380+ copies of good trinkets
pastel vault
That was after a fathoms nerf too
lofty sand
because they dont want to create some abomination like vial of shadows or whatever that garbage was that made warriors OP in NH
pastel vault
Draught of souls 
opaque grotto
Draught of souls
I played ret in NH and got convergence of fates the first week
I was so OP
pastel vault
Nice cof icon lul
opaque grotto
Iβm having cof withdrawals
upper island
π
hazy sphinx
im going fathoms harlans on mother and taloc
opaque grotto
Shit made rotations so much better
lone junco
@void pecan it happens.
hazy sphinx
and fathoms galecallers on zekvoz
dark crag
Blizz has all the tools to not over buff things yet all we know are 2 possible extremes, too strong and too weak
hazy sphinx
Wut
lofty sand
Fathoms doesn't bother me as much as galecallers does
frosty gyro
Gotta move between adds and move for surging darkness
hazy sphinx
dot all the lil dudes
frosty gyro
I mean sure if you wanna pad dps in 1 part and possibly get screwed on other parts
hazy sphinx
mut rupture times 6
frosty gyro
Also have to run out eye beams
pastel vault
You CT on 2?
hazy sphinx
bro we just all spread
strange python
No u dont ct on 2
frosty gyro
Surging darkness/moving between adds
hazy sphinx
Cloak
lofty sand
I can't wait till I get something better than galecallers, so I don't feel like I have to bitch at my tanks every pull
upper island
lol
hazy sphinx
Man
Im gonna listen to krivin
and just fuck galecallers
Going harlans on everythiung except vectis
frosty gyro
Blow cloak to stand in galecallers and then die when you have to run roiling deceit into darkness π€
hazy sphinx
cause i hate it
upper island
its only BIS on patchwerk with no mechanics
primal gazelle
If they buff raid trinkets, casuals will be like "ugh wtf we have to raid to get bis?"
frosty gyro
Because it's a tiny dps increase over harlans/plumage when everything goes perfectly
hazy sphinx
its BiS on the sims boss
frosty gyro
And everything doesn't go perfectly
quick egret
So, a question. I have the Jerkin of Aberrant Chimera. Do I go shrouded suffocation or Archive of Titans? I already have a 360 archive of titans head and a 340 SS shoulders.
?
frosty gyro
have to raid to get bis
hazy sphinx
sim yo self
frosty gyro
taloc
lofty sand
In raids galecallers doesn't bother me much because its easier to predict movement, but its ass for m+ if you wanna squeeze the max out of it
pastel vault
It's weird that CT is worth purely for warriors on zek
upper island
even in raids, you can predict the movement but you cant stop it
hazy sphinx
^
opaque grotto
I just play sub on zek
pastel vault
Same
opaque grotto
And by that I mean I just play my mage
upper island
π
hollow junco
GCB is too damn good it's frustrating
hazy sphinx
I can paly with it. I've been parsing great with it.
But in mythic raids, it's just not lasting the full duration.
strange python
That wasn't directed at you
hazy sphinx
Im just pointin out a pressure point
strange python
Just a general thought
lofty sand
Yeah I'm gonna get rid of it as soon as I get something that comes close to it. So far no luck
shrewd mirage
Where can i find Best in slot Trinkets?
strange python
in dugeons
hazy sphinx
lofty sand
strange python
yeah but what u gonna replace it with?
strange python
harlan or plumage is going to sim highest prob
lofty sand
I've seen a lot of people talking about plumage lately
hazy sphinx
feels good with vendetta
lofty sand
oh thats always a big plus
strange python
But if u dont like gale
hazy sphinx
15548
strange python
Aim for spyglass
hazy sphinx
and its the plumage
strange python
yeah thought so
hazy sphinx
.1% difference.
frosty gyro
Do you think fathoms will get an upgrade in 8.1?
hazy sphinx
Sure hope it doesn't.
strange python
Probably yes
lofty sand
it should, unless they dropped the whole upgrading crafted items concept
alpine rain
To get stat weights i should use patchwerk 5min right?
frosty gyro
Can't wait to have fathoms equipped until like 8.2 or whenever
strange python
@alpine rain for raid, yes
tough whale
That's not how the upgrade items work. And those are exclusively pvp so far
alpine rain
for M+ its hectic add cleave?
tough whale
I'd be surprised to see fathoms get an upgrade.
strange python
Yes but the upgrade system remains
frosty gyro
No one else is really full ST
lofty sand
They don't need to nerf fathoms they can just make different trinkets that are also strong, as long as they avoid the whole shitfest that was draught
tough whale
You'll outscale it dw
void pecan
or, you know, make raid trinkets viable.
nova nest
why does herodamage combination show 2x archine and 1x twist?
tough whale
Or do m+
nova nest
the second archive is only 465 increase to dps whereas one laser matrix would be ~1.2k
stray bramble
so is there a place to find an opener if i dont have SS anymore? rip
stray bramble
cool
frigid kestrel
How come no ones talking about Lions Guile? Itβs supposedly BIS (if you go by bloodmallet) but I donβt see many or the top parses with it equipped.
strange python
Because bloodmallet is MA
stray bramble
i now have 2 archive of titans and 1 rezans furry
primal gazelle
@frigid kestrel because its hard to get and impossible to farm
nova nest
why is 2 archive good? when its asmaller dps increase versus other traits
frigid kestrel
Ahhh so Iβm just lucky
little sandal
hero damage its asking for master assassin talent how do i use that in my rotation
frigid kestrel
Which sucks because I just got a 365 War forged Gales last night and itβs useless to me now...... or so thatβs the story the sims tell me.
alpine rain
Can someone provide link to Bleed timer WAs?
void pecan
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alpine rain
sexy!
daring imp
oy
i was thinking
reorigination array also dynamically changes secondary stat during a fight because of procs?
like mainhand/offhand enchant procs
trait procs that give mastery/crit/vers/haste or whatever
you know
what happens?
daring imp
i've had way too many conflicting reports regarding this
pastel vault
It changes yes
void pecan
I'll have to look next time. Now I'm curious
hollow grove
any changes to ass?
void pecan
In regards to....?
strange python
Avoid what ongbak
daring imp
can't @strange python
void pecan
Today? No. no change.
daring imp
Γ_Γ
strange python
avoid what
void pecan
having the + trait switch during fights
strange python
i dont get it
bleak jungle
Scroll up where he explained
thick jacinth
what do you want to avoid?
strange python
I still dont get it
thick jacinth
getting crit instead of haste?
void pecan
probably
thick jacinth
because both are fine
lone junco
Not a bad thing.
strange python
Wow is that a thing?
primal gazelle
like when you pop your vers trinket
daring imp
reorigination array
lone junco
the haste rating is like 1800?
thick jacinth
yes array is retroactive
daring imp
fml
thick jacinth
ever flowing
daring imp
here we go changing stuff again
thick jacinth
nothing changed
daring imp
no i mean the respec
strange python
I thought array was only for 1 stack
thick jacinth
that's been that way since the start
daring imp
to take off the crit stuff
daring imp
'cuz my stats are fairly close
thick jacinth
if your stats are close then your crit/haste rating should be even anyway
i wouldn't sweat it.
daring imp
hell nah haste is 2+ and crit is like 1.7
that gave me an idea
maybe that's why that stupid agi & 2min cd crit on use trinket is good for? for more cp generated during vendetta with it and array?
wet condor
guys whats the best traits to go for sub rogue? both stacking and individual in m+ and in raid ? π
thick jacinth
assassination channel btw
strange python
Go 3 Shrouded suffocation then
void pecan
phew
wet condor
And I figured there might be ppl here who knows stuff about sub even though the play assa here
void pecan
We don't take kindly to your kind round 'ere...
void pecan
3x ss, re-roll sin
strange python
Why are u asking this shit
thick jacinth
and change to assassination
wet condor
wtf
thick jacinth
smh
void pecan
Yeah you play sub with that red name right?
woven lark
Hey
void pecan
hi
woven lark
I just started playing Rogu
daring imp
x3 bits, ditb, tidal surge or rezan's fury are so damn close to each other @wet condor
wet condor
I don't ahve any azerite parts, so we talking about dungeon azerites
daring imp
like 1% apart from each other
woven lark
Ive been looking for what honor talents to take in questing, but cant seem to find it
Does anyone know whats the best?
daring imp
those can work too, they're like 1% lower than 3x ditb
thick jacinth
izcon you legit hurt my head dude
wet condor
If I hurt ur dead, its pretty weird since im not conversating to yo uand now is forcing u to read?
so maybe go sleep?
wet condor
then focus at ur work instead
void pecan
318 here.
wet condor
@daring imp Could you send me the link mate?
thick jacinth
just stop asking dumb question, check the pins
void pecan
or spam your face off in the appropriate channel.
daring imp
the reason people probably didn't answer your question is that because of how close the traits are, it will almost all the time come to what's the highest piece
wet condor
There is no dumb questions, haven't you been in school boy?
thick jacinth
in the respective channel
void pecan
π₯
daring imp
i sent it, just scroll up
thick jacinth
they answered his question
daring imp
toggle off the talents you don't use
wet condor
Michee why dont u smd?
thick jacinth
you should check the pins in the subtlety channel @strange python
strange python
sheeit
wet condor
Thought this was a friendly discord
daring imp
it is a friendly one, tho the pins exist for a reason @_@"
void pecan
usin' poison and shit.
thick jacinth
^
daring imp
herodamage is the best thing there is to check before asking about azerite traits
void pecan
raidbots.com too
thick jacinth
also like if you can't navigate your own way to pins you probably can't play your spec anyway
strange python
A method m+ member has made a guide
visual token
But I wanna ask
daring imp
it gives you highest simming combinations comparing with different talents
thick jacinth
so what difference does it make what traits you take
strange python
A guy who goes to the m+ invitational literally made a sub/sin guide
thick jacinth
wet condor
@daring imp thank you bro
void pecan
herodamage is better updated by rogue people too no?
void pecan
People from here. idk correct terminology
dense quest
what do you mean "people from here"
thick jacinth
'the lads'
daring imp
herodamage is a better name, clear winner 
thick jacinth
anyone get lucky with their cache?
both my toons got duplicates from last week
how good.
daring imp
a 2% upgrade ring for m+ π¦
void pecan
380 dice.
daring imp
nice
void pecan
Expected pants for 3rd week.
primal gazelle
been pretty lucky with my cache so far
daring imp
when i get the 500 conq later i'll check which traits the two items have
primal gazelle
all 3 cache been clear upgrades, one was 395 glove w/ crit haste
quick egret
I really dont know what to choose between Archive and SS 370 chest when i already have a 360 Archive head. Any pointers? Feels like ive been simming all night.
ornate gazelle
Should I be using CT on 2 add packs?
quick egret
I chose SS in the end! Hopefully it doesnt affect my raiding dps
coarse valley
hello everyone! Im here from Ravenholdt.net. I was checking out rotations and the opener for my talents/traits go like this:Garrote
Rupture
Garrote
Vendetta
Mutilate
Rupture
Exsanguinate when talented
Mutilate till 4+ combo points
Envenom
Mutilate till 4+ combo points
Envenom
Vanish when Garrote runs out
Garrote twice
I was wonderin what is the opener on boss fights with 2 targets?
Using exsanguinate
quick egret
Use poison bomb for st bro
inner pecan
Exsanguinate and Poison Bomb aren't mutually exclusive
nocturne jetty
is SS still bugged with subterfuge?
coarse valley
I was thinking smth like: garrote on non priority target, then double garrote on priority target, rupture, exsanguinate, vendetta, mutilate, mutilate, rupture on nonpriority target, switch to main target, muti/envenom until garrote drops off, vanish, double garrote? smth like this or there is a better opener?
or I should also go for pandemic rupture on priority target?
dense quest
you would want vendetta before exang
and generally let those empowered garrote drop
then do exactly what you described
jovial goblet
bursting pots or battle pots?
inner pecan
Also prob better to open with garrote on main target, then do garrote on off, then main again
You gain 1 GCD of Garrote on main target
coarse valley
ahh, yea, makes sense about the GCD
inner pecan
Pandemic-ing the Rupture on main target just depends exactly how much priority it is
If it's a huge huge prio then you could double Rupture into Exsg
If it's iffy you can just Exsg the first Rupture to get another Rupture rolling on 2nd target
coarse valley
I mean freehold/shrine 2nd bosses
coarse valley
So - garrote on main target, then garrote on off target, garrote on priority target, rupture, vendetta, exsanguinate, mutilate, mutilate, rupture on nonpriority target, switch to main target, muti/envenom until garrote drops off, vanish, double garrote. Smth along these lines?
inner pecan
yes
But wait until your non-Exsg garrote runs off
You can fill with a non-empowered while waiting for it
frank shuttle
that's exdactly right @coarse valley
inner pecan
Since 1 of your garrotes will fall off twice as fast as the other
coarse valley
I see
gotta hit those target dummies now π Thanks a lot for help. Appreciated much.
strange python
If you apply a normal garrote to a target, while an empowered garrote with SS is still ticking, the SS buff is going to fall off
Because of a bug
and thats a huge dps loss
frosty gyro
You don't ever CT on 1 target right? π€
frank shuttle
not a huge dps loss if you dont have SS traits, but yeah, you should avoid it
frosty gyro
I mean without SS it's not a dps loss?
I don't think subterfuge gets removed just SS
hollow stone
I'm comin' back boiz. 385 high altitude turban in da hizzzzz
vivid umbra
i got a 370 chest that is worthless for anything but pvp :/
plush summit
I need a 370+ helm that doesn't have laser matrix on it... They can nerf dmg of laser matrix and SS but can't fix bugs smh
lucid bolt
@frank shuttle nice pic
storm siren
Whats good then
ocean oyster
Thats pretty high for 361
honest needle
is there a haste cap we should aim for whats a good amount of haste we should have ?
ocean oyster
Im almost 370 but i sim for 15.3k..
molten oriole
Lol, im like 360 with 14k sims
lucid bolt
is that good or bad?
ocean oyster
Apparently its bad
lucid bolt
welcome to the club
i wonder how much of a dps diff prepotting makes because i never do it
ocean oyster
Whats your ilvl growl
hollow cloud
377
ocean oyster
377 or something?
pallid bluff
it makes a huge difference
lucid bolt
i seem to be missing 3.5k dps
lucid bolt
oh wait 1.5k dps is missing on mine i need to copy that dude up there
lucid bolt
what are gale callers?
hollow cloud
Mainly because my other trinket was absoltue garbo 
dark token
yuck
lucid bolt
this azerite gear is making the game very difficult and annoying for casuals like myself
honest needle
why am i simming so low for my ilvl https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6H1S2DGxNgDfEXFy11YLYF
dark token
deck in m+ is pretty bad
woven lark
Is it rly tho
hollow cloud
ocean oyster
Youre around where im at @honest needle
dark token
if i wanted raw agi id use my 390 frenetic corpusle
pallid bluff
deck is ok in m+
dark token
deck isnt good for m+ imo
ocean oyster
Its mainly the weapon and azerite pieces
hollow cloud
π€·
ocean oyster
Yeah i run loaded dice for m+
dark token
i was think
sacred flint
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hollow cloud
cause its ST
dark token
its fortified actually
pallid bluff
yeah deck is ok for tyran weeks
dark token
dice + spyglass, spyglass + galecallers, or dice + galecallers
hollow cloud
pretty sure its tyrann in
pallid bluff
not in eu
hollow cloud
8hours
ocean oyster
I still prefer to run loaded dice its not a big difference fro mdeck
dark token
is what i was thinking
honest needle
@ocean oyster u run tb or extang tb is still simming highest for me
lucid bolt
thats good dps michee
honest needle
i see every1 switching to extang on logs and was wondering why
lucid bolt
im 361 and im getting 13,600
honest needle
i dont even kno when or how to use extang
ocean oyster
I would run exsang if it sims higher
hollow cloud
Also I have no idea how to use tb 
that kindof helps me decide to use exsang
dark token
exsang becomes top if you have 1) 2xshrouded traits, 2) lots of haste, or 3) a good galecallers
strange python
Hopefully shoulders tomorrow in chest π
strange python
idk how it's easier to use exsang than tb for some people
dark token
exsang is a lot more thought process ye
strange python
tb is just don't use when full on cp and then continue doing what you're doing minus waiting late to refresh stuff to get off more muts / envs
honest needle
also for raiding should i always be running 1 ss trait ?
strange python
No
Run whatever sims highest
i've had the best luck with 1 ss, 1 dd, and 1 archive but that's just me
i keep 1 ss just for the damage along with the extra 2 cps on opener
honest needle
im using 1 archive 1 laser matrix and 1 dd thats all i have
oblique sundial
should i focus mastery>haste for M+ ?
pallid bluff
mastery and crit over haste
ocean oyster
think its crit>mastery>vers>haste
pallid bluff
only for M+
strange python
o
thought i missed a hotfix note
It can also be second lowest normally
stat weights are different for everyone
median badge
crimson temp or hidden for mythics?
pallid bluff
never hdiden
median badge
oof
strange python
neither
median badge
oooof
pallid bluff
CT or PB are your options
strange python
imo
pallid bluff
CT is very good
strange python
Hidden is about same dps as PB