@mint oar You can choose traits on azerite pieces
#assassination
strange python
round harbor
if you dont have any other raid gear, then yes most likely
peak jungle
ty
mint oar
as in gear compare you mean?
inner pulsar
@mint oar How are you going to have the name "sim yourself" if you don't know how to...sim....yourself?
mint oar
go back to youtr sub channel
pastel oak
haste softcap?
mint oar
Yeah, bu does that give me the string?
hazy sphinx
string cheese?
sterile marten
You can export it
mint oar
So i can do the weights sima fter?
round harbor
wait hol up. gyazo can make gifs
hazy sphinx
TIL
sterile marten
ye rawr
inner pulsar
Lol
mint oar
it just says contains commands that are invalid FeelsBadMan
magic plaza
what should be a Good SIM DPS atm , can someone sim himself
inner pulsar
@mint oar Edit the simc string where it says azerite_powers = ***
bright shale
I sim at about 14.78k?
inner pulsar
You'll need to find the correct code for the trait
inner pulsar
peak jungle
I have a follow-up question. How come on HeroDamage, even for M+ azerite comparison is shows archive/laser significantly higher than anything else, but per raidbots it sims lower?
hazy sphinx
archive is still a dps loss for me. Damn.
strange python
Because if u learn how to read
It shows the array buff
Which isnt a thing outisde uldir
cedar elk
So twist the knife has been simming higher than lazer matrix, now that I have +5 for Uldir trait, is it worth it to have lazer & archive?
strange python
Thats why you ignore anything that has +5/+10 outside of the raid
@cedar elk Sim yourself
peak jungle
Raidbots does not account for archive/laser?
strange python
Why would it not?
bright shale
Blizzard forcing us to wear lower ilvl pieces because of shit tier design
mint oar
head=,id=160623,bonus_id=4823/1492/4786,reforge=5,azerite_powers=407/22 what should i edit here to make it use another trait?
lone junco
In gear compare or top gear you can just pick them
mint oar
it doesn't give me weights
inner pulsar
I will tell you, but you have to change your name to "I can't sim myself"
storm zinc
How does vanish work with Master Assassin?
tropic heron
so apparently if i equip lower gear
i get a dps boost because re origination array
will give me more haste instead of crit
peak jungle
No matter what I compare it to, raidbots is consistently simming my Archive/Laser pieces as lower than my pieces that don't have it. Whereas HeroDamage shows it being better. Just trying to understand the rationale
tropic heron
because of the statting
strange python
@peak jungle How many arrays do u have?
hazy sphinx
376 ilvl. Running 372 ilvl gear cause the trinkets suck
peak jungle
1 piece of archive, 1 piece of laser if that's what you're asking
peak jungle
ah, 370 helm = 5
strange python
You have 5 arrays?
inner pulsar
Just post your sim output
strange python
Meaning u have killed at least 3 bosse per week the last 5 weeks?
inner pulsar
this is painful
peak jungle
Every week
strange python
Yeah NA is already at 5
peak jungle
either way, yes each week I have killed enough bosses
verbal nimbus
NA #1
bright shale
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9wXuwm6qgcXsksknmPotBR
Getting upgraded is becoming tedious because of all my sockets...
strange python
@peak jungle And you are from NA?
inner pulsar
@peak jungle Can you post your sim output please
peak jungle
Yes
gleaming kelp
so guys, with MA you want to vanish with 2CP then Mutilate / TB / Envenom in the 3 GCD with 50%crit chance ?
mint oar
imagine having a 380 weapon and crying about upgrades
or 370 bis shoulders
im using the same shit you have at 340 my dude
mint oar
i can't get shit from my m+ chest other than 4% upgrades
frosty gyro
I mean can't you get azerite?
bright shale
LOL I feel you brotha . My WF and cache is always shut I've already got
tropic rover
For M+, are the sims relevant re: exsang vs. toxic blade because the APL doesn't account for restealths with shrouded suffocation?
mint oar
why is your ilvl so low tho fuck
peak jungle
That sim is without laser, comapred to laser
frosty gyro
Is APL not doing exsang properly with SS?
inner pulsar
@strange python I gotta run, break it down for him.
frosty gyro
I know the simcraft APL doesn't work but I thought the raidbots one did
mint oar
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/quXJtwbt2snY4vRTFKVZdq this shith aids
inner pulsar
@mint oar Temper temper!
dense quest
whats your haste at
bright shale
Why are you enchanting crit...
dense quest
mine agi is coming back as no1
haughty flame
why is lighting matrix so shite in sims
hollow stone
I find yelling at people trying to help me provides the best results
frosty gyro
Having agi #1 is nice
inner pulsar
@hollow stone Lol
inner pulsar
Be back in a bit
strange python
@peak jungle What even is your question
Ah I see
Well my friend, you already have 1 piece of Uldir trait
Thus, you already have the array buff
mint oar
why the fuck does everyone get good shoulders?
peak jungle
No that null and voids a second application?
frosty gyro
I just got those shoulders
strange python
And therefore, Laser matrix will sim less than twisting knife because its worse
frosty gyro
👌
peak jungle
there we go, I get it
strange python
If you didn't have the helm with archive, you laser would be hella better than Twist
frosty gyro
I also have shrouded m10 chest
mint oar
im reporting you
rocky notch
i just want shrouded
peak jungle
So we're essentially aiming for ONE piece of array
frosty gyro
Yes
strange python
No
frosty gyro
Yes
strange python
I'm correcting because he didn't know what it was previously
dense quest
laser is cancer for anything outside of raid
frosty gyro
Laser Matrix is hilarious
dense quest
cant wait to get rid of it
red prism
what changes affect that stat weighting?
strange python
But yes, 1 uldir trait is a must have inside of Uldir, other than that, sim your other traits
dense quest
VANISH into laser matrix oh look you gonna have a good time
mint oar
Honestly, if you have good shoulders fro m+ fuck you
peak jungle
Thanks for the clarity
frosty gyro
TBH it's really only a problem on ghuun
And I'm not fighting ghuun again for a long time
mint oar
the only way i can get shoulders is through zul and they are shit
hollow stone
Settle down, @mint oar
strange python
@peak jungle put gems in ur sockets
mint oar
cause blizzard says you can't get good azerite gear outside the rng chest lul
ionic charm
@frosty gyro what makes it an issue on G’huun?
mint oar
G R A N D S C H E M E
stuck shuttle
@mint oar those shoulders from zul aren't shit
rocky notch
yea lmao
hollow stone
Take your qq to gen channel plz
tropic heron
well i have good assassination gear from teh chest
mint oar
They arn't good
tropic heron
thats why i switched off outlaw
mint oar
I'd rather have ss shoulders like everyone seems to have
tropic heron
the grand scheme chooses my spec for me now
keen inlet
Oh man I forgot to sacrifice my firstborn daughter for the GRAND SCHEME
mint oar
+10 dagger in the back, world boss chest GG
rocky notch
wtf world boss chest is AWFUL
mint oar
just end me now
rocky notch
???
keen inlet
guys sorry azerite is my fault
frosty gyro
@ionic charm at end of laser I go over to ghuun apply garrote+rupture then vanish and cloak the last tick of the laser in stealth so that vanish will come off CD for the burn, but if a damage azerite like laser procs from dots it will unstealth me
proper wing
Is it still: at least 1x SS > all in m+
lone junco
3x. Ayyy
ionic charm
@frosty gyro ah ok
proper wing
Yeah, feels 0 fucking SS lmao
pallid bluff
"at least they are 385"
proper wing
At least I have one Uldir trait yay.
pallid bluff
go die
lone junco
The 3ss is like 20-25% dps gain.
frosty gyro
👌
keen inlet
@pallid bluff easy tiger
strange python
yeah fuck you for having good loot
hollow stone
@tropic heron same but now im outlaw instead of sin due to traits n weaps
mint oar
Worst xpac ever dont @ me
frosty gyro
Other rogue in my guild wants to play anything other than Outlaw but he has 0 daggers
pallid bluff
also you should totally be able to have 3x SS at this point pretty easy
keen inlet
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ionic charm
@mint oar
mint oar
azerite shouldn't be a systesm
pallid bluff
just get a 5 leather group and go do base mythics
frosty gyro
340SS>370 something else in M+? 🤔
pallid bluff
yes
frosty gyro
Wish I had an SS hat
hollow stone
Take the az qq to general @mint oar
strange python
@frosty gyro Some top rogues are running 3x340 SS
keen inlet
fr tho folks if you want to bitch generally about azerite (I get it) take it to rogue-general or off-topic
mint oar
I don't have a single shoulder over 340
frosty gyro
@strange python that's hilarious
strange python
Thats a bad design
cerulean jungle
conquest shoulder is 355
frosty gyro
Azerite is bad design
hollow wren
So assa basically stacks crit/haste?
ionic charm
Gotta clear those m 0s for your weekly shot at 340 traits
frosty gyro
For ST it's like Haste>crit>mastery>vers normally
mint oar
I have 9 azerite pieces in my bags
frosty gyro
But yeah stat weight yourself
peak jungle
Lastly, can someone explain this? Simming much higher without any Reorigination Array
proper wing
I swear I deleted at least 1 SS item this xpac back when I was dead-set on maining sub. Shame that restoration no longer has "search" option FeelsBadMan 🔫
hollow wren
But there is something I don't get
How is Assa in multi target?
A lot of the fights on raid requires some aoe
frosty gyro
Depends on the multiple targets
hollow wren
Lets say, swarm on Zek'voz
strange python
@hollow wren Multi dotting is a thing if u didnt know
lone junco
@proper wing why would you ever delete any high ilvl trait gear ever.
frosty gyro
Anything that dies quickly you're not gonna be able to get good AOE on
You need time for dots to tick
lone junco
Balancing is always and ongoing.
hollow wren
I do, but outside of vanish is it as good?
stuck shuttle
@peak jungle you don't have the reorigination activated on sim
keen inlet
Yeah this system basically encourages you to hold all azerite pieces forever
peak jungle
How do I enable that?
lone junco
Big bank. Top gear subscription.
mint oar
They should just scrap the xpac at this point
verbal nimbus
if we learned anything from legion its do not throw away anything with traits that can be tuned
mint oar
It's all a shitfest
frosty gyro
Guess I need to go run M0 SotS for another SS
pallid bluff
yup
keen inlet
we can get mad at them but they made easy bank off the dreadwake promotion lol
mint oar
Mount looks like shit and isn't a 2 person mount noty
verbal nimbus
IT DOESNT EVEN FLOAT
fossil agate
For another DD 🤔
proper wing
Cause I was stupid and didn't even know that 340 SS was a thing for Sin. Now that I know I feel even more dumb. @lone junco
keen inlet
"Here's a shiny mount"
does it do anything special
"not really no"
neat here's my money
steady hollow
is assissantion a good spec to level 100-120 with to prepare for 120?
strange python
Saying that you will need 30 azerite pieces in your bags wasn't an exaggeration after all 🤔
hollow stone
A boat that doesnt "water walk". Cmon now
visual token
But it has guns
keen inlet
@steady hollow It's easy to learn so personally I would prefer leveling as sub or outlaw
visual token
That move
keen inlet
I think they're better/more fun specs to level through
proper wing
Leveling as a sub was smooth, can reccomend
strange python
Don't level with sin
steady hollow
thanks!
strange python
Go sub
pallid bluff
outlaw leveling is lit
keen inlet
Then hit 120, go sin, and take 5 minutes at a target dummy to learn
verbal nimbus
yea anything but sin really
steady hollow
sweet thanks guys]
red plaza
sub or outlaw. the hook is pretty handy especially with the no fly zones in bfa
hollow stone
I leveled as sin. It was fine..
hollow stone
Leeching poison op
keen inlet
imho
proper wing
Sub with regen in stealth tho
hollow stone
I leveled ol on beta so wanted to switch it up
proper wing
Shit's juicy.
verbal nimbus
once you hit 116 sin becomes tough to kill more than 1 or 2 targets without food
keen inlet
warrior was 
until 119 and then everything started killing me
smooth scaling experience blizz ty
verbal nimbus
prot pally leveling was the dreeeeeam
hollow stone
I leveled dk, frost mage, and dh after rogue... talk about faceroll
keen inlet
lol then I dinged 120 and could barely solo one regular mob, I got so mad I logged. Logged in next day and they had hotfixed the 120 dropoff somewhat
was much easier
ionic charm
Havoc was super easy, leech + demonic and you’re basically invincible
vast mulch
What are the m+ affixes this week
hollow stone
Dk was stupid easy too
kindred flame
Is that still #assassination channel?
keen inlet
I'm leveling as elemental because I hate myself and enjoy suffering
peak jungle
@stuck shuttle How do I enable reorigination on raidbots?
safe canopy
im confused how to translate the stat weight sim. could someone explain?
keen inlet
@kindred flame I tried man. it's drowning rn
fossil agate
I leveled ele to it was awful lmao
keen inlet
just ride the wave and discussion about how much SS azerite sucks will continue
ionic charm
Level as resto over ele, same abilities, more damage lul
strange python
@peak jungle https://gyazo.com/e57571c3384ab4d733813e97912414e4
kindred flame
Can i quote you on that when smn say its assassination only discusions? 😃
peak jungle
thanks
verbal nimbus
hahahaha its true, we'll be back to hating azerite powers in a couple of minutes
pallid bluff
80% of the content in this channel consists of people asking if SS is still good. enjoy the break while you can
fossil agate
Whats the "smart" option in simcraft for reorigination
stuck shuttle
it takes your last simc input
ionic charm
What about the poison wire shills. They’re here every day
stuck shuttle
for your stacks
pallid bluff
i miss the guys who swore by SB
ionic charm
I’m 99% sure my SB 30 stack can’t crit. More rare than poison bombs in legion lol
hollow stone
@daring imp this guy swore by sb; teeheehee
dense quest
but pbomb in legion does a lot of damage
pallid bluff
see i was a sub boy in legion so no PB for me
rapid summit
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
pallid bluff
i miss DfA still
ionic charm
The only thing I remember from elisande is being sub and killing myself with DfA through the middle
Good times
pallid bluff
those juicy 30mil evis
kindred flame
I miss the time where Backstab was sin exectute
ionic charm
Use the shitty blindside talent then
solid parrot
hell yeah 380 trinket from m+ cache worse than a 340 galecallers
carmine valve
In m+ if theres 3 targets, Shall I go Garrote 3x target, CT, FoK FoK, Rupture, and then Alternate between Envenom and Rupture while making sure CT is up ?
pallid bluff
basically
kindred flame
I personaly rupture before CT
lilac lily
^
carmine valve
where do I fit in exang in that
kindred flame
Find it more efficient, and mobs dont die in 10 sec of CT
lilac lily
Also, I do 1 fok > rupture at first
carmine valve
I have 24 % crit
lilac lily
to get the energy regen going
carmine valve
I dont get much combo from 1 fok
pallid bluff
doesnt matter
lilac lily
doesnt matter
kindred flame
Do you think ppl run with 50% crit? 😃
stuck shuttle
no
carmine valve
Ok so Garrote 3x Rupture Exang for energy, then CT-Rupture-Envenom trying to keep the Envenom buff on FOK while spreading rupture then
kindred flame
x3 garrote, x3 rupture and then CT if you ask me, test it yourself see how it will go
carmine valve
but ct dont give energy
strange python
Ct gives damage
kindred flame
You will find yourself runing out of CT before you rupture all targets
pallid bluff
it also depends on if your garrotes apply poisons
kindred flame
You are running 2-5 keys?
carmine valve
10+
stuck shuttle
no im running high keys with a good group
pallid bluff
no way you are killing packs in high keys that fast evne with a good group
stuck shuttle
and if u hold CT until after you get 3 ruptures out, youre getting no value out of it
strange python
Garrote 3 times, use CT, FOK 2 times and apply ruptures
quick fog
Maybe triple rogue?
pallid bluff
well dont hold till 3 ruptures
kindred flame
Hey, not saying what i do is best, just saying what i find best, so giving an opinion and he can test
carmine valve
ok Michee do you also try to weave in enveom while spreading rupture?
kindred flame
Try both ways
hardy mural
Master assassin sims 100 dps higher 😮
pallid bluff
using 1 rupture before a CT is defeinetly a consideration
carmine valve
so FoK has more chance to proc poison
kindred flame
I run out of energy if i CT FoK w/o applying rupture, but that is just me
sinful badger
Yes
carmine valve
after spreading ruptre?
strange python
Yes
sinful badger
It also depends on mob count
lilac lily
If you Fok and get like 4 cp and the adds are near death, use envenom
strange python
And yeah, it also depends on mob counter
carmine valve
So spreading Rupture prios over trying to get fok in envenom buffs
lilac lily
No reason in putting a 30s rupture on an add that will die in the next 5s
pallid bluff
if the mobs will live for almost the full duration of the rupture
strange python
Rupture up to 3-4 targets for regen
More than that, you're gonna have overflow
And then keep spamming fok with envenom
fossil agate
After 3 i feel like i cant spend enough, just add more for dmg
strange python
And make sure CT is 100% uptime
sinful badger
CT so fucking juicy
fossil agate
I need a ct tracker
sinful badger
There’s weakauras for it
carmine valve
was there an exang tracker similar to mage ignite that would tell you how much exang will do in dmg
fossil agate
Thanks
fallen sandal
Master assasins sims higher now 😦
strange python
Def doesn't sim higher if ure running SS
vast mulch
Is it really better than bomb for m+? It seems dire that it doesn't proc venom woubds
sinful badger
Also in m+ you have more than enough energy regen
If you are suffering on regen you’re playing it wrong
fallen sandal
anyone is playing master assasin ?
strange python
I sometimes do
fallen sandal
what you vanish for ?
strange python
What do you mean
flint swift
sorry if this is already answered, i couldn't find it in the pins. if i'm playing with exsanguinate, do i want to let my bleeds fully expire to take advantage of the hastened bleedout, or do i still refresh them with a few seconds left?
strange python
Fall off completely
flint swift
kk thanks that's what i thought
kindred flame
Sven what dose MA dose?
strange python
Yes because subterfuge increases ur garrotes dmg by 80%
Master Assassin gives 50% crit for 3 seconds
kindred flame
Well that is what i ment, if he read what it dose he will answer himslef
carmine valve
Is it true exang snapshot your haste?
stuck shuttle
yes
strange python
Yes
carmine valve
so Galecaller popping after exang is major bad?
stuck shuttle
yes
cedar kelp
For the sim ranks for azerite powers on herodamage, is there a way to change the amount of reorigination array you have on the raid azerite pieces
strange python
Obviously not lol
stuck shuttle
its only 5 or 10
hollow wren
@strange python do you do 4 or 5 or 10?
strange python
I do 4 because thats how many arrays i have
gritty solstice
Can anyone help me with a macro
strange python
Yes
gritty solstice
i'd like to be able to blind the targeted party member that gets bound by snakes in ToS 2nd boss
strange python
targeted by mouse?
gritty solstice
no like you just press it and it automatically blinds the affected target
by the debuff
safe matrix
You can't do that
hazy skiff
^
kindred flame
Its another ....target
safe matrix
Macros have limitations to prevent botting
carmine valve
Targetnexttarget /blind?
gritty solstice
so should i just use mouseover
strange python
Yes
safe matrix
Yep
hazy sphinx
I really want to replace my fathoms
rich raft
is still good have 1 SS, or need 2?
lofty sand
why?
hazy sphinx
I have a bunch of trinkets that tell are supposedly better, but they aint simming so.
tribal parcel
vast mulch
Is laser matrix ir archive of titans even good in m+, I feel like SS is still king
red plaza
Question! A few fights in Uldir I've noticed that mid fight all your CD's will be up on a boss. What's the best rotation in that situation? I tend to Vendetta + GCB Trinket > Vanish > Garrote > Rupture > Garrote > Mutilate > Rupture > Exsang. Just curious if there's anything else that's better
pallid bluff
so i wouldnt run it even if it was best
vast mulch
2xss and scent of blood is what im currently running
weary merlin
Why’s is SS so low on herodamage / bloodmallet now?
kindred flame
@weary merlin check #tc-updates
red plaza
guide has opener and rotation. talking about mid fight. like when you get down the elevator on Taloc, or into the third room on mother, or when Vectis comes out of liquefy
fierce violet
why garrote two times?
kindred flame
Well ppl tend to garrote, rupture, garrote, mut rupture and the exsang
strange python
Thats not an opener
kindred flame
For the panedmic on both
strange python
Its mid fight
kindred flame
Its from vanish with full energy it become opener
strange python
I mean considering you're going 0 Cp you should Garrote garrote rup
If 2-3 > Garrote > Rupt > garrote
No it doesnt kunyak
U want to have full CP rupture before exsang
red plaza
Gotcha thanks Michee, for some reason i had in my head that bleeds get snapshotted with haste so i popped GCB earlier than needed
fierce violet
btw, I heard that ST haste is not worth if the fight is >2mins, is it true?
tribal marlin
it is better to gar rup gar anyway so you benefit from 1 more tic of the garrot
Gar rup (garot 1st tic) Gar
astral hound
does master assassin affect the rotation at all?
strange python
Yeah but considering he's 0 cp, his rup is shit for xsang
kindred flame
Garrote (3) 17 sec, Rupture 15 sec, Garrote to 21 sec with 3 CP muti to 5 CP and rupture become 31 sec where you exsang
tribal marlin
yes like Kunyak says you refresh rupture right before exg
g -> r -> g -> m -> r -> exs vandetta
celest swan
did the apl change for assa? on 3 boss targets haste sims the highest
strange python
Or you get 5 cp > vanish > rup > gar > gar > vendetta > gale > xsang
tribal marlin
well you can but as I said : if you do Gar -> Gar you loose 1 tic of the garrote
unlike Gar -> smthing -> gar
kindred flame
"like when you get down the elevator on Taloc, or into the third room on mother, or when Vectis comes out of liquefy"
He said that
Which means you don't have CP upfront
Well actually it dosen't matter you had 2 opinion see what works best for you
red plaza
in a lfr right now and can confirm 2nd vanish with 5 cps feels good XD
strange python
So get 4-5 CP ?
kindred flame
You will energy starv if you do
strange python
No you wont
astral hound
holy these stat weights
kindred flame
Well i am off
astral hound
basically flat lol
kindred flame
I give up going to work something off
fierce knoll
is it worth holding Exsang to line up with Galecaller's?
gleaming canopy
Where is that trinket comparrison page? I cant find it in the pinned guide
tribal marlin
why would you enter vanish with 5cp since you will generate 3cp per garrote and will cast 2 of theim
strange python
Because its more optimal?
celest swan
ye why 5cp vanish r>g>g? g>r>g wiht 3cp does the same better
strange python
???????
tribal marlin
well I tell you 2 garrote in a raw mean you loose 1 tic of the garrote.
celest swan
ye
celest swan
- ur exsang rupture is 1 tic shorter aswell
plain thistle
🤦
celest swan
i dont get it tbh
slate bear
hey, can somebody help me? how can i test which wep enchants i need to m+?
lofty sand
Haste/crit
verbal nimbus
they just give stats so whichever stats are your highest use those 2
lofty sand
one on each hand
strange python
red plaza
most likely going to be Quick and Deadly
verbal nimbus
^
slate bear
thanks
celest swan
what u psoted is not the apl
it is the log where it can be true thet cd's aligned that way
strange python
???
slate bear
and somebody knows that what i need if u play outlaw? to m+?
strange python
Dude thats an optimal rotation
tribal marlin
well if you can deal with the api then just do the sim, one with 0 cp as we said, one like this, maybe another one with 2 cp (Gar -> rupt -> Gar -> exg) and do the simulation
celest swan
our point is that 2/3 cp should be better
lone junco
Real rotation depends on boss timings.
celest swan
cause it does everything better
kindred flame
Stubborn people
torpid jackal
any talent adjustments for this week's m+ affixes talent-wise?
red plaza
Crimson Tempest 😃
plain thistle
omg, it doesnt matter, double garrote or garrote rupture garrote does the same thing, you will get full rupture and garrote for the exs, period
verbal nimbus
exs is for plebs anyways
pallid bluff
i mean ggr is literally 1 second left of the exsang garrote
plain thistle
if you already have a rupture on the target, it doesnt make sense to garrote > rupture > garrote because you will not get a full pandemic rupture without rupturing again
pallid bluff
LITERALLY not full
torpid jackal
oh jesus, here come the hipster builds
plain thistle
simply as that
kindred flame
Ok i really back off now
torpid jackal
"it's a different kind of TB, you might not have heard of it"
tribal marlin
it does make sense if you vanish with 2cp
then Garrote -> rupture -> garrote your rupture is full pandemic
torpid jackal
just play whatever sims highest for your gear
and whatever you find you can do well with
plain thistle
🤦 , its all the same
azure palm
what is a good mythic 0 trinket for ass rogue?
azure palm
to pair up with fathoms
cosmic forge
question - sims place both options within 10dps of each other. In uldir. which is better: 1 SS and 1 SOB or 2xSS. 3rd trait for both is lazor matrix. not sure which to run as simming is so close
strong onyx
quick question, are we just using galecallers off cd unless it lines with vendetta when running TB?
hollow stone
🍿
plain thistle
on CD, align with vendetta
strong onyx
ty ty
torpid jackal
if you use GC on CD, it will line up with vendetta automagically
strong onyx
yea
fierce knoll
is it worth holding Exsang to line up with Galecaller's?
red plaza
@azure palm Galecallers from Shrine of Storms
plain thistle
@fierce knoll no
broken canyon
!ss
prisma monolithBOT
Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.
hollow stone
Yes it is...
pallid bluff
yes it is
red plaza
yes it is
verbal nimbus
yes it is
pallid bluff
TFW the guy who doesnt care about minmaxing is telling people what to do 
fierce knoll
even though you lose out on some Exsang during the fight?
torpid jackal
there's minmaxing and then there's 10dps difference
which is the margin of error for simc
plain thistle
who here doesnt care about min maxing? lol
hollow stone
You do, but you dont actually because your 1,3,5,7 etc xsang MUST line up w ven van
So 2,4,6 etc can be off synched due to 45 sec cd itll be up for your ven van xsang
plain thistle
the previous discussion was stupid and it dont make a difference on our dps
plain thistle
please enlighten me
hollow stone
Vel already did
plain thistle
you lose 1 tick of garrote if you double garrote? thats it?
supple compass
Anybody stacking double dose?
plain thistle
thats your reason to not double garrote with vanish mid fight?
hollow stone
You lose 1 sec of emp ss garr which does more dmg than the 1 extra sec of rupt you get in exchange
pallid bluff
^
verbal nimbus
i dont think hes appreciating how much an empowered garr does
hollow stone
That
vocal wave
Is CT the way to go for M+ even on Tyra weeks?
tiny vapor
I like Shrouded Suff but failing your opener is painful
proper igloo
does it matter which enchant is in which hand
pallid bluff
nope
strange python
Not by much
Crit main and haste off sims like .3% better than haste crit
for me
proper igloo
im doing crit mastery for m+
pallid bluff
i would stil do crit haste for M+
hollow stone
Same answer. For the difference it makes (very minimal), its not worth the gold to swap em up
strange python
unless u have multiple weapons
proper igloo
i dont really raid much
red plaza
<<< its a conspiracy
verbal nimbus
depoends on how many iterations you want 😃
round harbor
round harbor
unlucky that i suck
strange python
fuck this xpac
strange python
yeah but most of us are still rolling with 340s
Like
Its 2 months into the expansion
verbal nimbus
strange python
5 weeks into the raid
pallid bluff
hey man i haev a 385 chest with the shitty blighborne that is unusable
astral hound
i got a 385
verbal nimbus
agi and haste same weight? xD
astral hound
but its worse than blightborne
round harbor
blightborne trait is good tho
stuck shuttle
@verbal nimbus thats normal
astral hound
ruinous bolt
verbal nimbus
cool
astral hound
🤕
astral hound
ruinous bolt/ fan of knives
pallid bluff
nah the ruinous bolt one
astral hound
raiment of the blighted tribe
round harbor
o
pallid bluff
yuppers
round harbor
unlucky
verbal nimbus
outlaw yayyy
strange python
RNG dictates your spec this expansion
astral hound
too bad 1 snake eyes sucks and 2 is just ok
verbal nimbus
🤢
pallid bluff
snake eyes is bleh i want Deadshot to be op again
astral obsidian
TFW you have 3 snake eyes with bad weapons.
astral hound
TFW 3 snake eyes means no reorigination array 😦
astral obsidian
Yeeeeeeep
plain thistle
@hollow stone @pallid bluff do you have any simc/raidbots reports proving that is worth holding EXS for GC? sorry I dont trust you, but I never saw you here, cant tell if thats a feelycraft or its actually better
there are some good logs holding it, and other that doesnt
strange python
I hold exs for galecaller
plain thistle
for some fights thats easy, like mythic fetid, because you want to EXS the "add" and that will make it align with GC pretty easily
hollow stone
You havent seen vel or i in here? Where have you been?
strange python
Fetid for the add?
On mythic yeah
If you have a good group, u just zerg fetid on normal and hc
plain thistle
well, I saw you guys here, but that doesnt mean I trust you 😃
dense marsh
!wa
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fierce violet
lol, my rogue sims haste>agility
kindred flame
strange python
Means u lack haste buddy
astral hound
yeah
junior aurora
aww yea 385 SS shoulders
fierce violet
I know, but I dont have better
astral hound
i need a GC :/
kindred flame
hollow stone
Fair enough lol. I can get one for you later if still needed but as i explained before the logic is that you want your odd numbered xsangs during vend windows meaning your even xsangs just need to be 45 sec prior to your next vend window
junior aurora
same but shrine is cancer
strange python
Nah
hollow stone
So with gcb, it lines up real nice
desert whale
shrine isnt that bad
strange python
Yeah its really not
junior aurora
shrine is the worst m+
plain thistle
but have you reported that Kojiyama or Mystler so they can test if its actually better?
desert whale
not really
pallid bluff
shrine is fine
alpine minnow
Quick question: Having trouble dealing enough aoe-damage in m+, are my talents fine with 2;2;1;2;3;2;1? Thanks!
desert whale
tol dagor was the worst last week
pallid bluff
fuck waycrest and TD laste week
desert whale
in terms of difficulty
astral hound
yeah, but like
strange python
@alpine minnow Depends on ur traits and the dungeon
astral hound
overall its generally one of the worst
plain thistle
the same goes for that vanish discussion earlier, does it really make a difference? or it just feelycraft?
hollow stone
Ill get you the apl later if you still need, cant atm
astral hound
def not as easy as like ML/Freehold/AD/Underrot
strange python
Freehold is a fucking faceroll
plain thistle
because righty now, simc does vanish > double garrote. and you can check top logs doing both too
hollow stone
It makes a small difference but if youre aiming to minmax any little bit helps
plain thistle
well, "a little bit" can be just margin of error 🤷 and its actually the same
strange python
Like I said, the perfect scenario is to go into 2nd vanish with 2CP to Garrote > Rup > garrote > ven > gale > xsang
hollow stone
For sure. I was ggr'ing too for that exact reason
pallid bluff
its likely less than 1% dps difference but 1 sec empowered garrote does more damage than 1 sec of a rupture
plain thistle
that will result in not full pandemic rupture @strange python
strange python
Why wouldnt it
pallid bluff
you will if you have a rupture running already and prepare for it
hollow stone
Yes. True. But you get a full pand ss emp garr which is better
strange python
Yes
hollow stone
Yea
plain thistle
in that case it make perfect sense to garrote > rupture > garrote
hollow stone
Right. Michee said the same thing earlier. Didnt think it needed more clarification
pallid bluff
anyone know what traits the conquest shoulders have this week?
hazy pebble
hey bros I got the 385 head today
but i had a 370 head titan matrix with 370 chest + shoulder DD
hallow glen
does raidbots take the uldir azerite buff into effect?
strange python
Yes
hazy pebble
that was what i was curious about
i mean it simms that
taking 3 DD is best
but i am very doubtful
hallow glen
is there a way to turn reorigination array off? so i can test outside of raid
astral hound
yeah advanced options
strange python
@hallow glen https://gyazo.com/11a89724527f5b8a00a50e3d0ee58d47
Just pick 0
@hazy pebble But why are u using CT for raid build
hazy pebble
thus giving 3 DD best trait
strange python
That array buff is strong af
hazy pebble
yea
i had it at 0
no wonder
wished for a dagger, but i guess ill take an azerite piece
sweet sedge
any tips on how to find a good RBG team?
inner pulsar
Yo
hazy pebble
make one!
ashen ermine
What juicy items you boys get from chest?
sweet sedge
370 dagger vers/mas
strange python
We'll see in 13 hours
inner pulsar
Cloaks are the only thing that drop from the chest
ashen ermine
I've gotten trinket last 2 weeks lol
380 dead-eye this week 👀
And 370 upgrade token from pvp chest
sweet sedge
honestly after this last week of pugging i might roll a healer or tank... i depleted my +8 to a +5 because of those 2 roles lol
inner pulsar
I hate pug m+.....so much
sweet sedge
yea... i really gotta start finidng ppl to play with regularly
azure palm
do i vanish as soon as my garrote falls off at the start of a fight?
warm geode
If u hate, why doing?*
rustic ether
hey why is sin top spec again when no changes occured?
hazy skiff
@azure palm depends on if you are playing subterfuge or ma
strange python
@azure palm yes
kindred flame
What is top spec in your eyes?
inner pulsar
@warm geode Because I would like to replace my 340 Chest and Shoulders
ashen ermine
Check pin @azure palm theres a guide with a section that goes over openers based on traits
inner pulsar
And my 345 Harlans
charred lantern
is Crimson tempest or Poison bomb better this week for m+?
pallid bluff
CT
charred lantern
in EU i mean
strange python
Depends on dungeon
shadow pivot
depends if big dick group or not
pallid bluff
i think you think too much about it Michee tbh. CT is almost always better
at least on higher keys
inner pulsar
Typically CT is going to be better
pallid bluff
its also so close that you can just run either tbh
desert whale
exsan+ct for m+ high keys?
strange python
...
inner pulsar
..........
pallid bluff
????????????????????????
shadow pivot
xd
azure palm
do i not 5 combo point rupture at the start?
desert whale
😂
strange python
@azure palm Please check the guide
inner pulsar
How many CP does a crit SS garrote generate even?
mint oar
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uczBLY49ar7NE6mRFLk9qy why do i sim so low
inner pulsar
Is it 4?
mint oar
is it shoulders holding it back?
ionic charm
3
hallow glen
omg ew that sim
inner pulsar
Hey, its my buddy, hes back!
mint oar
Gear ain't that shit
strange python
Use exsang
inner pulsar
Your trinkets are shit
strange python
Your trinkets are 🤢
mint oar
isn't electroshit supposed to be good?
ionic charm
I actually sim higher with TB than Exsang using 2 ss somehow
astral hound
u might have better trinkets in ur bags
slender hare
Get yourself the fathoms trinket, if it’s for ST
inner pulsar
THat is incorrect
mint oar
i don't lol @astral hound
pallid bluff
tb for M+ is no bueno
astral hound
psure like a mythic 5 dice or GC will be better
strange python
Get a good group
astral hound
yeah chest gutripper should be stronger
mint oar
freehold is a free key
strange python
10 freehold is a fucking blessing
mint oar
unless tank wants to go left
ionic charm
Just get a 390 galecallers from your cache like the other rogue in my guild
mint oar
after 2nd boss
inner pulsar
Also, just eyballing, I bet your haste is turrible
mint oar
yeah
inner pulsar
Omg, yeah, that is your problem
plain thistle
better than getting a cloak 🤷
mint oar
is poisoned wier good?
inner pulsar
........... You should............sim yourself
astral hound
i think he's asking hoping its wrong
strange python
Self
mint oar
I'm just sad all my gear is shit
even though im ilvl 371
395 crit mast ring
really nice for rbgs
not really nice for pve
pallid bluff
you mean OP for M+
astral hound
rbg would prob be haste mastery or something like that
fossil agate
Op for M+ where you could grind 10+s for equal gear for raid but whatev
inner pulsar
Well, you arent doing yourself any favors by enchanting for crit as well
mint oar
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hHR5FGdWCXe4WPYJoKmG81 fucking end me man
strange python
I bough that shit for 150k
pallid bluff
only 69k
fossil agate
^^^^
pallid bluff
what fucking server are you on
inner pulsar
Haha
proper igloo
isnt crit way better for m+ than haste? nothing wrong with gemming crit
fossil agate
Buy a token
mint oar
bro im poor irl too
ionic charm
They were like 50k on a52 and I’m still too poor to buy one lmao
inner pulsar
@proper igloo I'm assuming he is trying to increase his raid damage
astral hound
would you farm herbs for 3 hrs
proper igloo
oh
astral hound
in order to get a 370 GC
proper igloo
in that case roll fdk or affliction
astral hound
i sure as hell would
strange python
Yeah but you're farming 3 hours for fathoms
inner pulsar
Still
strange python
Which is way better than both of his dogshit trinkets
mint oar
i sim like shit but put out good dmg in raids
astral hound
no yeah i mean, im saying i would totally farm for 3 hrs to get a 370 GC, which is similar to a 355 Fathoms right?
inner pulsar
Unlikely
proper igloo
the freehold trinket is also op
fossil agate
No its about a 350 gale
ionic charm
Sims show fathoms as better than 370 gale
astral hound
hrm yeah, but u cant use 2 of em lol
ionic charm
Unless they have changed in the past 3 days
strange python
I had it after my first shrine +
ionic charm
Took me 92 runs to get faulty countermeasure on my ret at the start of legion. Shit happens
inner pulsar
I wonder if Illidan yells "You are not prepared!" before he finishes....
strange python
slender peak
I have a 350 GC but its not better than my 360 socketed dice + fathoms 😦 saw a 370 GC drop in SoT last night but they needed it. Riperino
buoyant ember
TFW you wait allweek for the mythic piece you pushed for... and its poop
pallid bluff
welcome to everyweek from here until they get rid of M+
slender peak
Lol i know the feeling i dont feel if i get bad gloves or something hut getting shitty azurite gear is the worst
You can use bad stat gear if its a decent ilvl but shit azurite gear is just a waste of a bag slot
manic stirrup
does vendentta affect each tick of a dot? or only has an effect if you have the buff when you cast the dot?
plain thistle
its dinamic, it will affect dots that are already on the target, you dont need to refresh
fast nacelle
oh tc update is nice
i played like that already cause fok at 3 targets feels awkward often
slender peak
Tc update?
plain thistle
slender peak
Ah
ionic charm
I wonder when guide will reflect that update
delicate gull
safe relic
whats this tc updates? 😮
ionic charm
Mut/fok usage, just check the channel
ionic charm
Makes no difference, only double dose changes mut usage
main blaze
Another week of 340 shoulders -_-
safe relic
i mean the starting rotation on multi targets it still is triple garrote 😄
and Crimson
ionic charm
Sure but that has nothing to do with what the update is
safe relic
whats that update is going to be? 😮
ionic charm
Read the #tc-updates post it takes 30s
unkempt karma
Mastery for M+?
exotic glen
crit > mastery for m+
unkempt karma
Atm Haste sims highest, but thats st
ionic charm
It’s general usage? It “applies” to the opener in the fact that nothing changes; the rules are slightly different, but it’s the same outcome. It only changes when you have multiple targets, at times that you already would mutilate or fan @safe relic
onyx falcon
anyone know if gutripper is better for us in raid than other Tier 3 traits? i know it is for some classes in raid and bad outside of raid
tropic heron
does it matter if i have my higher ilvl weapon in my MH or OH?
safe matrix
Higher dps weapon mainhand
ionic charm
Yes, higher weapon damage in mh always
tropic heron
ah ok
