assassination

[shrewd night]

Data mining has a history of getting shit wrong. Such as tooltip updates being marked as legit spell changes.

[civic palm]

Datamining with bad data.

G G

[high ingot]

not sure if it'll be ready for the beam in p2 if I use vendetta on ghuun when he comes out of the wall is what I am trying to ask

[desert hazel]

Don't think you will have vendetta up for second beam if you use it when p2 starts

[strange python]

if the data is bad, then the dev is bad

[civic palm]

Tooltips are literally located in a different place in the datafiles and Wowhead/MMOC still can't get it right.

[strange python]

idgaf

[civic palm]

They've never been able to.

This is 120% on the end of the dataminers not being able to read their own data.

and that ends up with us having people like you on places like this.

[strange python]

oh yeah because blizz is very open and helpful with third parties

[shrewd night]

Why should they have to be

[strange python]

of course, just have people write lua addons

it's all about moneymaking

[shrewd night]

Bigthonk

[civic palm]

Wat.

1.) If Blizzard wanted to stop Datamining, they could.

[strange python]

it is very possible wow has the worst dev the game industry has ever seen

[civic palm]

2.) If Blizzard wanted to make money, they would just give a fucking SWEET mount away with a 6 month SUB.

[shrewd night]

Dw I get it. Blizzard is the big corporate bad man and that's what's wrong with America today. If it wasn't for all these greedy companies looking for a profit we would be in a better place

Kek

[civic palm]

How possible?

Very isn't a number nor indicative of fact.

I need to know, numerically, how bad Blizzard is when it comes to "the game industry".

[strange python]

there are reports of people who worked on the codebase

[civic palm]

of a 15yr old game.

Yeah.

[strange python]

it's bound to be redesigned from scratch

yet they don't do it

[civic palm]

I think they'd rather just make a new game.

[arctic isle]

giving that mount away with 6 month sub is literally the definition of wanting money

[civic palm]

Yeah but it's also a fucking cool mount.

So w/e.

[desert hazel]

@fyru worst game devs created and maintain top mmk for over a decade......thinking

Mmo autocorrect

[civic palm]

mmk

[strange python]

like there's an mmo that could ever compete with wow

pls

[desert hazel]

Well you would think if there are much better devs out there, they could create one

[civic palm]

There were plenty.

[strange python]

they are jews

[civic palm]

Also, IIRC, Blizzard employee's are pretty well taken care of.

Are you using "jew" as a racial epitaph?

[solid nova]

!warn @strange python Conduct yourself properly within the spec channels. That language isnt acceptable here.

[rain tree]

Oof Arnokk the burner is pain

[solid nova]

Discussion has gone on for long enough

[rain tree]

because of all those adds he summons

[solid nova]

Keep it civil and move it to #off-topic

[strange python]

sorry didn't mean to insult anyone

[solid nova]

Its no longer contributing to the spec channel in any form.

Move it out

[rain tree]

How Can I beat arnokk as assassin rogue anyways

[wise whale]

ok back to topic: what is the best azerite trait for m+? 😄

[rain tree]

with all those irritating adds he summons ar 66% and 33%

[halcyon patio]

@wise whale I've been testing a lot of different builds like FOK / SSx2 +1 archive

[desert hazel]

@wise whale 3x rezan fury

[halcyon patio]

seems for fortified weeks just like in legion you ran the legendary cloak with glaives because of shoulders

FOK does actually a ton of damage

but since the bosses actually have a decent amount of health in higher keys I feel as if SSx2 +1 archive is probably better

[wise whale]

its 3xss

[halcyon patio]

I sim higher with SSx2 +1 archive for +3 packs, and ST

[willow pulsar]

Why would you ever pick archieve for m+

[rain tree]

oof. question ignored :c

[halcyon patio]

@willow pulsar main stat

[wise whale]

i dont know sry

i dont know what arnokk is

[rain tree]

Arnokk the Burner

The first boss of defense of karabor

[halcyon patio]

I wish blizzard would test stuff though before nerfing I think 40% on SS was really steep

[wise whale]

its fine ss was so OP

in m+

[halcyon patio]

I agree. BUT we dropped a lot raiding wise.

[wise whale]

very little in ST

[edgy lynx]

!ss

[prisma monolith]

Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

[willow pulsar]

Not really. With laser matrix and archieve beeing bis anyway

[edgy lynx]

its good tho because you dont need to deal with the Bug

happy they nerfed it

[wise whale]

think about it we only use ss 3 times in a boss figh usually

in ST

[halcyon patio]

theres a ton of top parses running SSx2 Archivex1

hate it

[shy escarp]

is that post-nerf?

[desert hazel]

Well considering garrote was like what 35% of your ST dmg and it got nerfed by 40%.....yeah your ST got nerfed.....

[halcyon patio]

also didn't they nerf laser matrix?

[shy escarp]

yeah they did

[halcyon patio]

hmm, more research tomorrow im heading to bed have a good night guys

[wise whale]

hmm im confused now

most of the top parses on mother are 2 ss + archive

[desert hazel]

What is so confusing about that :?

[wise whale]

wait a second

[shy escarp]

were the parses from before this week before ss got nerfed

[wise whale]

yeah because mother is mostly ST

22 09

so after

and they dont even pat the adds

i thought for ST there would be better traits than SS

[desert hazel]

Nope

SS still good

[wise whale]

why does hero damage not reflect that?

i thought something like archive + 2xDD would be best for ST

[desert hazel]

As far as I was aware it does

[wise whale]

no it doesnt look it up

[civic palm]

HeroDamage shows what is best for the gear/item level used to test in the specific scenario that the APL is designed to work in.

[safe matrix]

the dungeon sim doesnt restealth

it doesnt accurately reflect SS

[desert hazel]

Just looked by stack it shows SS very close to SB. Most people don't run SB. Hence why parses are mostly done with SS

[peak saffron]

how do you guys feel about running 1 archive 2 ss in mythic plus? worth the stats or better off going with 3 ss?

[wise whale]

3ss

in stacked it does look better but there is still 5 traits ahead of SS

maybe it has something to do with the specific logs

maybe they just have much faster kill time or something so the traits of one rogue dont matter that much

[civic palm]

SB is also shit don't run it.

Unless you can see returns from using that trait.

[wise whale]

i use it and i like it

[civic palm]

uhhuh

[wise whale]

why do you say it is shit?

[civic palm]

Because the chances of you using the trait as well as the SIM does is extremely unlikely.

[wise whale]

that makes sense

i have to check how the sim i susing it

[tardy narwhal]

So is everyone using CT in m+?`

[wise whale]

yes

[civic palm]

For 6min in a row, never missing an attack.

Which is something that you, as a player, can't really do anywhere.

Other than a dummy.

[wise whale]

well missing to use it should not be problem

its ranged and i got a weakaura that warn e that its at 25 stacks

[civic palm]

No...

missing MELEE.

You need to MELEE the TARGET for 6min STRAIGHT without EVER leaving the target.

This is something a simulation is capable of doing because they're attacking a pile of stats and not something that does anything.

[wise whale]

yeah well what has that to do with the SB trait?

oh because i have to meelee to get stacks

now i got you

[civic palm]

ok good...

[wise whale]

that might actually be a problem when using SB i never thought about that

[civic palm]

Yeah.

1.) You need three of the traits for it to start winning over other traits.
2.) You can not stop generating stacks of the trait otherwise you start losing value.
3.) You must use Poison Knife @ 29+ stacks and then begin building against or you start losing value.

[clever cipher]

so for dungeons I guess 3x SS is still king? I have two raid azerite pieces which have Archive on them, I guess I should equip both for Uldir raids? Or is just one enough

[tough whale]

Youd have to sim that

[clever cipher]

yeah but the fights are barely patchwerk

for taloc I have my answer

I can imagine the add phase on ghuun for example to benefit from 3x SS

[tough whale]

Not really

You put out 3 garrote and the adds die with 70% left on each garrote

[clever cipher]

so archive would be better on a trait by trait then, meaning I should equip both

[tough whale]

Then you get 0 value from shrouded til burn phase

This is something honestly that sims can figure out, you just have to use your brain

Ss helps on a 3 target opener but the majority of the fight and the focus of dps is the singular boss

[civic palm]

3xSS is probably more than good enough for most M+

[tough whale]

3ss for m+ will be awesome

For raid not anymore

Its not end of the world but the value you get really isnt end all be all

[clever cipher]

yeah I've been running that since the start, not intending to change that, I just have that azerite piece from raid now that has both SS and archive and im not really sure what to do

[tough whale]

Youd sim one with the ss peice one with the archive peice

Ez

[unkempt wing]

I run ss x2 and archieve x 1 and im pretty happy with it after triebd alot of different things

[clever cipher]

I simmed a 3 boss fight for jokes, Scent of Blood came out on top lol

[tough whale]

It all depends on ilevel. What you have what you're replacing. Theres not a static answer

There arent massive drastic fight changes that would pull a trait out of nowhere

The primary focus of every fight in uldir (zul questionable on m) is single target with light cleave

So ideally you look to increase said single target

[clever cipher]

yeah makes sense

[tough whale]

Like a 370 archive probably beats a 340 ss on single target 3-5min

[clever cipher]

I mean I felt the "sim it" coming but it helps to hear some input

[tough whale]

Its impossible to give any static answer due to how rng azerite is

It really just depends on the spoon you got

Ilevel difference is slowly becoming the focus of upgrades, but theres still outliers

340 traits might compete with 355 but that's about where it ends

[clever cipher]

huh it says 340 DitB is better now for me than 340 SS in that slot, the other two having Archive

I guess a single SS is bad for ST then

[tough whale]

I run a single ss

[clever cipher]

oh wait hero damage says the same

[tough whale]

Ditb assumes you're ALWAYS behind the target btw.

Aka you will never get a 1 proc

[civic palm]

Which you should be.

But yeah.

[tough whale]

Ofc

[clever cipher]

yeah being behind it isnt really the problem

rogue muscle memory

[tough whale]

1 archive is a big power spike, 2 is much less because it doesnt affect reorig array

[clever cipher]

but this is good news then because I only have to reforge one piece now to go from ST to M+, the other slots I just swap to other pieces of gear

[vernal apex]

How many targets affected by rupture is optimal for m+?

[proper igloo]

many

[tribal lark]

3-4 i think

[true plaza]

is 2 ss better than 1 ss and 1 archive?

[wise whale]

for uldir i think 1ss+archive is better

[stable oxide]

isnt DD better than SS on single target?

[cold meteor]

SS opener is just <3

[strange python]

what does ditb stand for

[cold meteor]

And unless you got lucky on M+ chest i'm not sure there is a DD pieces in Uldir

[steep obsidian]

dagger in the butthole

[strange python]

i see

[mortal merlin]

when i am talented into crimson tempest do i use it on st too or only in aoe?

[lament dove]

only on aoe

[mortal merlin]

alright, ty

[clever cipher]

only use it on more than 4 targets or it's probably not worth over multidotting with rupture

[wild zodiac]

Hello assn friends

[cursive dune]

i find CT so clunky

nfi why

[solid nova]

!ban @halcyon goblet

[dark token]

you use CT on 2 targets

or more

[tepid frost]

so it is worth to use on 2 targets already? I've been asking that a few times here, but never got an answer

I just simmed a few things with crimson tempest, and apparently going from one patchwerk-style boss to 2, increases the dps by like 5k (12.5k > 17.5k) for reference, my single target sim with pb is 12.9k~ dps

[wary anchor]

is SB dmg affected by vendetta?

[olive shore]

@tepid frost all i can say is that i usually use it for 3 and more targets. and i am happy

you can keep rupture up and CT at the same time

after like 4 targets, i skip rupture

or at least on the priority target(s)

[tepid frost]

For trash packs, I usually opened with Garrote > Garrote (on two targets) > CT and then I build up CPs for rupture, I could usually get out two ruptures before I had to reapply CT, depending on how lucky I get with the CPs I get from fan of knives

[olive shore]

i go for rupture first

and then CT

[tepid frost]

that reminds me, is there a clear cut amount of mobs there should be for fan of knives to be worth using over mutilate?

3+?

[toxic slate]

Hey guys wanted to ask is there anything should I do to fix my character like is the azerite gear good or should I change it ?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gK8SHNM1xt8gZNVDX2JS2G

[tepid frost]

My thought process behind CT before rupture is that there are dots on more mobs immediatly, which have time to tick down while I build up ruptures

[toxic slate]

guys can you check my sim and tell me should I change anything ?

[white moss]

get galecallers

[toxic slate]

So the 3 traits of archive is good ?>

[weak pine]

get decent neck lvl

get rid of the cannon

it's absolute garbage

only good in sims or Garothi on Antorus

[toxic slate]

I have a 340 galecaller is it fine ?

[weak pine]

It should be around the same in sims

In reality should be higher

[toxic slate]

but should I change the 3 archive trait ?

[strange python]

archive is awesome

dont

[toxic slate]

So I just wear the galecaller that the problem I have

[delicate root]

the thing about the cannon trinket tho is... Cannon Army!

[tepid frost]

wouldn't 2x sharpened blade + archive be better?

[toxic slate]

I have 2 sharpen but 340 gear

[devout jolt]

Is it worth me speccing CT for Ghuun HC? Might there be a dps gain with all the adds?

[spark oyster]

Not really

[cold meteor]

Pretty sure PB is better

[devout jolt]

thanks

[weak pine]

PB is better imo

[devout jolt]

the adds quick anyway was just curious if there was a min max but happy there isnt

[weak pine]

Unless you're on mythic add damage doesn't really matter

[toxic slate]

so two sharpen blade 340 gear and one archive 370 is better then 3 370 gear with archive ?

[devout jolt]

yeah, I saw it on a Mythic video and was curious if it made a difference on HC but didnt feel so anyway

[weak pine]

As long as you interrupt the channels and finish low health adds it doesn't matter

Since on mythic the spawns actually have to die

[cold meteor]

The best sim for me actually is :
370 SS
355 Archive
340 DD

[vestal abyss]

do you have 2 SB?

[cold meteor]

Yes I have 2x 340 SB

[vestal abyss]

Unrelated: do bonus rolls carry over?

[cold meteor]

But i was simming with Subterfuge, maybe I should try sim with MA instead

[vestal abyss]

sim without ss with MA and with ss with subt

or jsut sim all combinations

[cold meteor]

I will give a try in some minutes

[weak pine]

@vestal abyss If you're asking whether or not you can stack bonus rolls for later usage the answer is yes, up to 5.

[vestal abyss]

i was

thank you

so at most you can use 7 in a week

[weak pine]

Yes

I don't see why you'd save them up that much tbh

[inland path]

MA or subter for dung?

even with 0 ss

[wooden island]

Whats the raidbots addon to see what itmes r better

Saw praii use it

[cobalt bobcat]

@wooden island pawn

[elder cypress]

@weak pine there is only ins reason...for totally upfuck yourself after dont get an item in 7 rolls😂

[vestal abyss]

@weak pine because im raiding super casually atm and just starting to get in uldir hc this week

[toxic slate]

2 340 SB and one Archive is better then 3 Archive item level 370 ?\

[shy escarp]

remember that reorigination array doesn't stack

so the first one of your uldir traits is super valuable, the other 2 are much weaker

[toxic slate]

you mean the sharpen blade is weaker then the other items

[weak pine]

Oh

I thought casuals didn't exist on this discord

Well

I guess I'll isolate myself with another 20h farm of islands

[strange python]

@shy escarp i hate the fact that i am 3 resets behind. I am presuming the stacking trait only starts to stack once you acquire the azerite piece.

[shy escarp]

no it doesn't actually

it's a hidden buff you get, as long as you've killed 3 bosses a week since launch you're good

[weak pine]

Have you killed at least 3 bosses each week so far?

If no, then you're behind

[strange python]

Yea ofc

[weak pine]

Then you get 3 stacks once you get the trait

[strange python]

But do you need the azerite piece first ?

Oo nice

[weak pine]

no

[strange python]

Was worrying

[shy escarp]

then you're good, as soon as you get an uldir piece you'll have whatever stacks you've earned so far

[weak pine]

Literally nobody reading blue posts these days?

[north leaf]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[jagged summit]

Is there any haste soft cap for assa?

[wheat zealot]

The soft cap is when it stops simming highest

Which there is no set point where that happens

[wooden island]

Oh rly?

[solid nova]

There are no stat caps. Just simply follow your stat weights through simming.

[slow finch]

Best PVP stat priority for assa rogue?

[wheat zealot]

#pvp might be a good spot to ask

[slow finch]

Ok sry

[pastel wasp]

this could be a very stupid question, but is applying crippling poison a bad thing?

[wheat zealot]

There is some niche situations where you dont want mobs to be slowed (sanguine)

But other than those situations it should never be a problem

[warm geode]

!ss

[prisma monolith]

Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

[warm geode]

-.-`` no word from blizz about this?

[round ledge]

small indie company btw

[magic zenith]

I haven't been in here in a week. Still running 3xss in dungeons right?

[bright vessel]

any pro tips for zul

my dps is lackin big time

im terrible at AOE 😄

[steep obsidian]

dont worry about aoe?

[warm geode]

if u raid need aoe, go CT if dont, just kill the 3 medium adds with the raid calls and dont botter with the details dps count

[steep obsidian]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

you wont beat burst dps classes if everyone globals the crawgs

[grim wolf]

but you can have extreme high dmg to Zul prolly one of the most single target damage done to Zul

[steep obsidian]

sub is insane if people can actually leave the adds up

[grim wolf]

you get alot of energy returns from everything dying with your bleeds on them

[native silo]

Finally got Gailcallers Boon. Do I hold for each exsang or just pop it on cd

[hazy sphinx]

That's a good question. I've just been using it on CD

Honestly, I use it when I know I can stand in it for full duration

In dungeons, on CD

[bright vessel]

so should i spam spread ruptures?

[vale scroll]

only rupture a target if it lives the whole duration (or close to it) of rupture

[clever jackal]

for single target. is it optimal to pool energy for toxic blade, when talented into elaborate planning. like get to 3 combo points and then let your energy get close to max. so you can hit toxic blade envenom mutilate mutilate envenom?

[gentle rapids]

I believe so yeah, you want to get 2 envenoms at least in every TB

[clever jackal]

ok. it makes sense. especial when paired with elaborate planning. just wanted to make sure

[robust iron]

iv never used crimson tempest before, trying to find the right place in an aoe opener to apply it but getting energy starved

[wicked comet]

if you rupture after your third garrote

i find that the energy is fine

personally

[robust iron]

maybe it just feels bad because im not used to it

[final hull]

best rogue talent build for raiding now ?

[astral sundial]

whenever I feel energy starved...I find out that I forgot to put poisons #mainsubthings

[steep obsidian]

get a weak aura

[robust iron]

ye

[steep obsidian]

make it annoying and obvious

so you never forget

[acoustic lion]

So i just read the MMO, they nerfing shrouded suffocation more? or am i reading it wrong?

[gritty yoke]

so what do you guys use for m+ in regards of traits? still shrouded suffocation or sharpened blades?

[steep obsidian]

its datamined crap its not patch notes

[gritty yoke]

@acoustic lion mmochampion is shit, they are slow as fuck

read wowhead

wowhead had all the stuff 3 days ago

[acoustic lion]

oh

[solid nova]

That's already implemented

And SS for M+ is still really good

[acoustic lion]

no its not, its ptr Richard

[versed apex]

Read the pins

Or pin. Just the top one

[acoustic lion]

oh well

[wicked comet]

and ask yourself why they would nerf it twice

[fickle tide]

Holy shit there is a discord for rogues

[clever jackal]

can anyone explain in which cases exsanguinate is better then toxic blades?

[gritty yoke]

there is a discord for everything, welcome to the internet in 2018, need a tour?

[versed apex]

@clever jackal Pretty sure it just depends on your secondary stats, and not really any physical situation

[solid nova]

The already implemented SS nerf is 40%, which was on the 17th

[versed apex]

TB always sims better for me nowadays, but Exsanguinate used to be a little better

[wicked comet]

before ss nerf

[versed apex]

I never had any SS pieces anyways

[clever jackal]

everything I'm seeing says TB is better. but alot of the top sin rogues are using exsanguinate

[gusty plinth]

depends on your stats

[clever jackal]

ty

which stat leans towards which ability?

[robust iron]

if your bleed focused you get more mastery dont you

[versed apex]

This is just a total shot in the dark, but I'd imagine high mastery would make Exsanguinate slightly better.

[robust iron]

drop haste for it

imo

[final hull]

best assa rogue talent build for raiding now ?

[gritty yoke]

exsang if you

have 2+ shrouded suffocation and only for m+ imo

with rogues getting better gear and more haste, TB is gonna pull ahead eventually

[final hull]

then should i use toxic blade or not (sory for my english ´´skills´´)

[versed apex]

Sim yourself

[final hull]

idk how to do correct sims for me

[versed apex]

raidbots.com, talent compare, enter your character info

[clever jackal]

well point for point I have more in haste then mastery. but percentage wise I have more in mastery. sucks I'm at work atm and cant fiddle with the 2 on a dummy lol

[final hull]

should i use this ?

Smart Sim, Patchwerk, 1 Boss, 5 minutes, SimC Weekly

[versed apex]

I use 4 targets and 40 seconds because I do M+ and AoE is important

[cold flare]

yes

[versed apex]

1 boss 5 minutes is probably fine for raid

[sinful badger]

Running 1x archive 1x SB and 1x SS. Is there a new meta?

[gritty yoke]

check bloodmalled and warcraftlogs for traits. there is no 100% meta

[strange python]

I thin most people are just using highest I-lvl pieces (also atleast 1 of Archive or Matrix is really good in the raid)

[clever jackal]

Niko. I sim unbuffed, patchwork, for 5 minutes when practicing on a dummy. to figure out what you should be doing in raid I like to do light movement. because you pretty much never get to actually sit on a boss the entire fight

[sinful badger]

I heard taking more than 1 archive isn’t good actually

But one is very very good

[strange python]

but it sims highest for me, so I just take it...

Yeah I take only 1 for the array buff

[sinful badger]

It sims highest bc the sim is bugged for 2 pieces

It thinks you are getting 2 array buffs but you only get 1

[strange python]

I have 3 370 azerite pieces from the raid and the rest is all 340

[final hull]

@clever jackal then what settings should i use for raid ?

[clever jackal]

I personally like light movement instead of watchwork.

everything else at default. and optimal raid buffs if you have that in your raid

instead of parchwork*

stupid auto correct

[pliant orbit]

Guys i have a question about artifact appearances
how the hidden one works atm
i have the base one for assasination
do i need to wear it to unlock other tints?
or doing wq/dungs counts toward it no matter what?

[unique axle]

Transmogging into artifact weapon counts as having it equipped

[pliant orbit]

but i have read somewhere that you dont even have to wear an appearance

[dense quest]

thats only for legion since you always have an artifactequipped

if you want it now you would have to mog it

[lone junco]

@gritty yoke have you seen the exsang logs from Tyrarolls? 1archive 2ss exang. Look at them, then Tell me that exang is behind tb.

[visual token]

Doing BFA world quests count. You do not need it mogged to get progress. It reads “do x world quests after unlocking the hidden appearance”. It will also unlock them for hidden appearances you have yet to obtain so long as you have at least one unlocked. I did this when I leveled a void elf rogue.

[scarlet sequoia]

what traits are the best for mythic+

[lone junco]

@clever jackal I copy a /simc string before work and paste in a text file. Lets me fiddle with sims on lunch.

[scarlet sequoia]

still ss?

[little sparrow]

Probably SS, might be better to use DD next week

[echo hound]

changes coming to DD?

[slender hare]

think he means because of tyrannical

[echo hound]

ah, makes sense

[inland path]

MA vs subterfuge for m+ getting bored af of subterfuge

[lone junco]

Bored of 22-25k rounds pull after pull. With no vendetta.

❌

[slender hare]

I'd imagine MA is pretty bad for m+

Compared to Subterfuge, which is easily utilized for aoe in m+ with 3 garrotes

[shrewd mirage]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > mastery > vers >= haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.

[inland path]

numbers =/= fun

tbh

triple garrote feels like cancer to do every pack

[little sparrow]

It's so much work to garrote and tab just to garrote again 😩

[inland path]

no its just boring

[calm grail]

🤔

[inland path]

who said anything about it being hard rofl

[calm grail]

Tell me what you think would be entertaining.

[slender hare]

go sub for some insane Evis numbers , I enjoy switching between sub and sin for m+

[inland path]

when the word hard gets used in the same sentence as this spec 💯

[little sparrow]

I hope you realize that makes 0 sense lol, there is nothing engaging about anything except numbers/mechanicals

[inland path]

just want a new playstyle subter every dungeon for 3 weeks is beginning to get zzzzzzzzz

so much hostility for someone who wants another talent to be viable for 5 mans 😢 n1

[calm grail]

Well if you want to do less damage but feel useful triple cheap shot.

Your team will worship you

[little sparrow]

ONLY SUBTERFUGE ROUND HERE BOI 😤

[inland path]

nira

[calm grail]

Only time that's really fun though is mech jockeys

[inland path]

i dont think you quite understand what i am asking

or if ure just a fucking mongoloid

🤔

[calm grail]

Just memeing.

[little sparrow]

Imagine giving up all your dps for your teammates

[calm grail]

You seem like a real fun guy so I thought I'd go full

[little sparrow]

LOL

[inland path]

i have no problem playing subter nor do i find it hard i just wanted an excuse to try something new ofc i am not going to bother if its shit so dont pretend like ure playing cutting edge shit garroting 3 targets you briefcase

[little sparrow]

LOL

[calm grail]

I don't think anybody said they were cutting edge, I was just asking you what you thought would be a more fun rotation.

[inland path]

imagine advocating a boring playstyle in the rogue discord

[strange python]

talking about hostility 🤔

[inland path]

🤔

[strange python]

imagine imagining 🤔

[vapid moth]

Damn

[polar cape]

You dont need permission or excuse to try stuff I dunno <.<

[little sparrow]

Hey man, we CT after wasting 4 CPs

[vapid moth]

Whys the chat on fire

[inland path]

sorry for hurting niras feeling guys

ill stick to subterfuge

[vapid moth]

Bunch of pansies

[inland path]

👌

[slender hare]

this is #assassination its always on fire

[little sparrow]

I don't know what you expect to be fun lol

[polar cape]

California is leaking fire in there

[inland path]

tbh this spec is fucking residentsleeper anyway

[strange python]

A turtle has made it to the water

[calm grail]

I'm not sure that my feelings got hurt.

[little sparrow]

Like none of the abilities for the entire spec is fun, if you want fun go play #outlaw

[inland path]

nira its fine dude

ill play subter

dw mate

[calm grail]

I'm scrolling through everything I said. Are you having an alright day man? You seem pretty aggressive for casual banter.

[inland path]

!?

so when you do it

its banter

[strange python]

What Nira, do you FEEL that he's aggressive?!

[inland path]

🤔

nira its fine dude

[calm grail]

You might need to take a break, flip on your favorite anime, maybe comb your neck beard.

[inland path]

i have swapped every talent to subter

[little sparrow]

Ball is pretty aggro

[keen inlet]

DAY MAN

Fighter of the

NIGHT MAN

[strange python]

I bet ball secretly has feelings haha

[inland path]

im not aggro im cute

its just banter LAD

subter is locked in thanks for the advice nira

[little sparrow]

I bet ball isn't even troll for the racial snapshotting with exsang

[keen inlet]

Banter belongs in #off-topic

[inland path]

having a blast now

[little sparrow]

Casual

[frigid sleet]

CHAMPION OF THE SUN

[paper aspen]

If you wanna be really pro, assassinate targets as subterfuge.

[nocturne cradle]

"
ballofireToday at 9:55 AM
i dont think you quite understand what i am asking
or if ure just a fucking mongoloid" Just banter he says. 🤔

[keen inlet]

That's right

Big Bad Don is here to ruin your time

[inland path]

its extreme banter

[little sparrow]

Banter btw

[nocturne cradle]

Murder someone irl

[little sparrow]

"You briefcase" idk what that means but it sounded aggressively British

[nocturne cradle]

just banter

[pure sparrow]

banter

[keen inlet]

?warn @inland path we don't call people epithets here and banter belongs in off-topic

[turbid mantle]

ballofire#4286 has been warned.

[inland path]

calling someone a briefcase is affectionate

[calm grail]

Yeah but you came out with that after me joking about triple cheap shotting 🤔

[tall talon]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[keen inlet]

Maybe that will make it clear

[shrewd mirage]

!pawn

[little sparrow]

I didn't think you were joking @calm grail

[calm grail]

But did you FEEL I was.

[little sparrow]

I thought you were actually going full turbo beta for our DH overlords

[shrewd mirage]

!pawn

[strange python]

@keen inlet thanks for the new word

[inland path]

yeah i had to google that

wtf

[little sparrow]

"They are cheap shotted my liege, please hit your 2 buttons"

[inland path]

fancy word for briefcase maybe

[inland path]

i didnt use it in a derogatory way

[strange python]

pejorative

[inland path]

i used it in a silly way

[strange python]

This is turning out to be a good day full of learning

[solid nova]

Take the warning on the chin and move on already.

[little sparrow]

Imagine arguing with a shadow

[inland path]

im not rly bothered just joking m8

[keen inlet]

Mongoloid is either a racist term or a disparaging term, take your pick, either one isn't acceptable here

Might fly elsewhere doesn't fly here.

But again...because ppl have 0 self-control, spec channels are not for "banter"

[inland path]

what do you want to say man

i am deeply sorry nira

😢

[strange python]

I'm not even joking, I am learning a TON of new words right now. "disparaging"?! I love it.

[keen inlet]

I'm just giving the channel a reminder

[supple hearth]

Cool he said sorry. Back to assassination chat. If u guys want to discuss moderation can do so in #off-topic

[tall talon]

what traits do you guys use for pvp?

[inland path]

so is subterfuge bette than MA for m+ guys 👺

[strange python]

depends on traits

[inland path]

3 tradewinds

[strange python]

subter all de way imo

Use sim for cleave 5 adds 1 minute

[pure sparrow]

are the warcraftlogs % of ilvl or % of all rogues metrics off because of SS nerfs?

or am i extra bad this week

[paper aspen]

How good is crimson tempest compared to toxic bomb in mythics?

[strange python]

Far superior

[polar cape]

Reliable good

[strange python]

Also not RNG procs, its stable damage

CT is pretty poopy until higher keys

[little sparrow]

Crimson Tempest is very good in mythics, makes you very good for small lived add cleave also

Bubbles in Shrine, non-elites in Bor/Atal for example

[paper aspen]

Alright, but when would I manage to use it? I find that for packs I would AoE, I am garroting 3 times, rupturing, tab, fan, rupture, repeat

[strange python]

No

U garrote 3 times and CT

garrote then ct

^^

[little sparrow]

Yep

[paper aspen]

Lost of energy reg from Rupture is acceptable there?

[strange python]

Yes

[paper aspen]

Gotcha.

[strange python]

do you still try to spread Ruptures in that scenario?

Yes

[little sparrow]

Yes

Garrote 3x then CT once, then tab garrote between fans and reapply CT

[strange python]

im looking forward to the day dispatch gains viability

alrighty, thanks.

[little sparrow]

When empowered garrotes run out, put garrotes up on highest health targets

[strange python]

jeah I got that down but I never really bothered with CT. Most of the time stuff dies too fast I feel like

[pure sparrow]

higher keys solve that problem nicely

[paper aspen]

Thanks, that helps alot. Also forgive me if I ask sort of obvious questions. I am recently back to WoW and last time I played was Cata, so everything is different and weird.

[proven crescent]

does it happen to you sometimes that after 3x garrote, your CT just wastes cp's and doesn't do any damage

[strange python]

No

[little sparrow]

No lol

[pure sparrow]

never had that happen

[strange python]

Maybe ure too far from targets

[proven crescent]

weird, could be my ui bug then, nvm

[strange python]

I barely get my +10 done these days. I feel like BfA dungeons are not made for sanguine and/or teeming :/

[little sparrow]

???

[strange python]

Theyre just harder is all

[little sparrow]

The dungeons are beyond easy

[pure sparrow]

they're not made for pugging sanguine or teeming

[strange python]

I enjoy m+ but some combos in some dungeons are just...ugh

[pure sparrow]

ive never had a problem as long as i know the tank

[strange python]

nvm, just found out theyre ez

[little sparrow]

I don't feel that at all, even the worst pugs finish in 40 minutes tops

[strange python]

Just get a tank with brain

[pure sparrow]

you've gotten some lucky pugs then

occasionally you don't get that brainful tank

[strange python]

yeah like 9 out of 10 times

u dont

[exotic sparrow]

almost ever pug flops above +5 after 1 wipe

[little sparrow]

I've got such a large sample size I don't think its luck, the dungeons are really just not that complicated

[strange python]

meme whats yer io

[little sparrow]

Only hard dungeon this week got nerfed lol

[strong dome]

inb4 only +7's done

[little sparrow]

Like 900? I haven't pushed yet just farming 8-10

I've got over half of the dungeons on time in 10s @strong dome

[strange python]

Guess im bad ecks dee

i havent done a single +10 on time

+2 a 9 but thats all

[little sparrow]

If you can +2 a 9 you can time a 10

[strange python]

Yeah but that 9 was a guild run

Can't really get them to play anymore

and the +10 affix is so easy this season

[little sparrow]

Just get a tank that doesn't chain pull and let's you stealth and its ez clap

[pure sparrow]

switch guilds

[strange python]

I pug half of mine and am sitting on 800 io, gotta be discerning lol

im only at 700

[paper aspen]

What ilvl would you suggest pugging +5 and above?

[shrewd tinsel]

What % of time do we need to be in galecallers for it to be worth?

[pure sparrow]

you're probably not getting picked up unless you're 950

350

whoops, legion WYA

[little sparrow]

Same @strange python I have yet to link up with the group I ran with in legion

[strange python]

I require 360 fer 8 keys or higher

[lone junco]

@inland path 3ss is our niche right now for m+. If you don't like that, play 3scent and pull bigger. If you don't like that, play sub or outlaw or A different class

[strange python]

350 is like the generally accepted figure for like a 6 pug

me thinks

[marble hemlock]

can you please not tell people to play DH noobe?

[little sparrow]

@lone junco is totally right tho

[lone junco]

If they don't like SS. I can't help them.

It is "too boring"

[marble hemlock]

i mean, i dont like SS 🤷

[strange python]

SS would be fine if the bug was fixed 🙂

!ss

[prisma monolith]

Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

[lone junco]

Revised.

[strong dome]

has blizz even acknowledged the bug?

[little sparrow]

Nope

[strange python]

Well they know of it

But nothing has been said about it

[pure sparrow]

we've reported it enough that they've seen it lol

[little sparrow]

Small indie company

[marble hemlock]

have you ever seen blizzard actually acknowledge something wrong with their game though?

[strange python]

Not that bad of a bug tbh

[pure sparrow]

yes

the entire livestream for patch 8.1

[marble hemlock]

it happens very very rarely

[lone junco]

Bug doesn't matter too much. The dmg of an unbuffed garrote is small. Losing some e gen from tabs every 6 sec.

[marble hemlock]

idk, all i saw there was some more hype for how things are getting better

[strange python]

Lol it doesn't matter too much?

Its a dps loss

[marble hemlock]

depends on the situation

[lone junco]

Just don't bug.

[marble hemlock]

it matters not for singletarget, and it matters not for pulls with 4+ mobs

[strong dome]

its bugged, but in the grand scheme of things it dont matter

[strange python]

4 or more targets its a dps loss

[pure sparrow]

^

[paper aspen]

Okay, I'm at 343 now, pushing higher doesn't feel like it is hard atm, just time for reps and what not

[strange python]

refresh on < 1 sec and the dps loss is very minimal, not THAT bad of a bug imo still

[little sparrow]

Not awful, but not great would be nice since you'd drop higher CP ruptures more often with garrote fixed

[pure sparrow]

yeah, you need some ilvl on those bones @paper aspen

otherwise you'll have to get lucky to get into 5+

[lone junco]

I would like to do the 4th garrote. Cause it makes sense. But I'm still top or tied for top with ggg Ct.

[marble hemlock]

fok generates more CP than garrote, so by not being able to use garrote after the 3 SS ones, how would you generate more high CP ruptures if you were to weave in more garrotes in your aoe?

[lone junco]

FOK 4. Then garrote

[marble hemlock]

youd literally generate less CP than you currently do

[little sparrow]

4 CPS, garrote and Rup

Instead of wasting CPS

[paper aspen]

I've only done a +2, and I'm fine with working my way up. I mean, I resubbed to the game two weeks ago, I don't think I'm doing too bad

[marble hemlock]

not sure thats worth

i mean, just cast the rup with 4CP

[lone junco]

Don't need 5cp ruptures in aoe.

Ever.

[marble hemlock]

rupture damage doesnt scale with CPs used, only the duration

they changed that during early legion

[scenic raptor]

whats a god cp rupture?

good

[latent obsidian]

does mastery increase our envenom dmg?

[strange python]

in aoe 3+

[strong dome]

one that runs out when the mob dies

[strange python]

Also just look at the mobs hp

[marble hemlock]

i usually do 2-3 CP ruptures early into the pull and then refresh later with 4+ CP ones

[little sparrow]

Of course not, but every finisher that isn't recasting a rupture is a good finisher even in AoE

[pure sparrow]

@paper aspen you're fine. just keep farming low mythics, and try to get into some normal uldir raids to pick up afew pieces of gear. Getting up to 350 shouldn't take you much time at all with the 370 from warfronts, etc

[little sparrow]

Can mean another target ruptured or CT, etc

[lone junco]

I only rupture elites. And at pull with 2+. Whatever rolls off the 2nd FOK.

[marble hemlock]

same, i dont think i ever do more than 2 foks between finishers on aoe

[lone junco]

FOK FOK.

[marble hemlock]

even if it means ill drop a 2cp rupture after GGG-CT and exsang that, cant afford to cast more foks this early into the pull :/

[paper aspen]

I missed out on warfronts for gear, gotta wait for that to come back around. I have been lucky, I think I have Bis trinket from some quest reward

[lone junco]

Did you tf a juju?

I know someone probably did.

[pure sparrow]

wtf does that mean noobe

[lone junco]

It's a trinket that you can /use with the GC

Tf would be like 800haste prob.

[pure sparrow]

now that would be sexy

[lone junco]

1min 10sec haste. Can double use with GC. For a fat snapshot on exang.

During lust I hit 75% haste

[little sparrow]

OOF

[marble hemlock]

ideally you have 1% health when you use juju tho 😄

[lone junco]

Haven't used it in raid cause the sim is low. But it's definitely not optimized

[little sparrow]

Are you a troll too @Noobe?

[lone junco]

It doesn't flex that much.

600 at 1%. 550 at 50%. 500 at 100%

For a lower ilvl.

[marble hemlock]

mh ye

[lone junco]

Nah. I thought about it before the nerfs.

[marble hemlock]

just saw the data on how it scales with lowhealth

but not sure itd be worth to drop 30+ ilvls for a bit more haste during exsang

mightve been worth pre-SS-nerf

[lone junco]

It would be Amazing if it were inverse % of health.

[fiery haven]

Would anyone be willing to sit down and talk with me. I can’t figure out how to make up the 2-4K dps I’m simming at. I’ve done some research. And I still can’t seem to figure out what I’m messing up.

[lone junco]

Depends on ilvl I guess

@fiery haven probably raid buffs tbh.

[fiery haven]

Looking at my raid numbers I’m 2k off

[lone junco]

Did you use poisons?

[pure sparrow]

what about simming without any buffs/pots

[fiery haven]

I sim 14k sustaining 10-12

[lone junco]

Need a log and a raidbot summary to look at expectations.

[strange python]

@fiery haven Mind that sims are patchwerk under ideal buffs.

[fiery haven]

Looking at other rogue parses I’m still in the green.

For ilvl

[lone junco]

Sim 14k means ilvl 363 ish?

[fiery haven]

Yes

[strange python]

does wow analyzer still work?

[fiery haven]

366. Mind that I have 3-4 haste verse pieces that are 385

[lone junco]

Probably missing fathoms. And using a weird trait set.

Need a log. And raidbots summary.

[fiery haven]

I have fathoms and using archive laser and ss but I have X2 archive and ss gear still.

[lone junco]

I make mistakes all the time. But I know as soon as I press it.

Need a log. And raidbots summary.

[fiery haven]

I was thinking it was rotation. But I always pool enough to x2 mult before I unload a finisher

[little sparrow]

You should make sure you aren't lapsing your EP, especially when empowered garrotes are up

[pure sparrow]

can you link a log

so we can tell you

[little sparrow]

If you're pooling like that

[lone junco]

Conv is over until a log magically appears

[strange python]

@fiery haven There was a site but I dont remember what it was

That you'd upload a log

And it would revise it and tell what you're doing wrong

[little sparrow]

Sounds like wowanalyzer

[strange python]

Yes

[pure sparrow]

which is half dead for bfa

[strange python]

yeah i just checked it and its wonky

[little sparrow]

Not worth, it can't really help you on logs over 80%

[pure sparrow]

barely works. just gives generic info like if you're missing vanishes and stuff

[strange python]

aha

well

[little sparrow]

Sometimes you can't help but miss uses of CDs or waste CPs

And your raid strategy will change your rotation or usage dramatically

[mossy flame]

@little sparrow so what do u do when you're low energy during the empowered garrote? Do u finish at low cp to keep ep up?

[strange python]

I dont understand

[little sparrow]

No, but EP is always a priority

[fiery haven]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/malganis/nonstop

[strange python]

that dagger tho...

[fiery haven]

You can choose any but guhuun I was orb running

[little sparrow]

If you keep EP up without energy capping and finish at 4+ during empowered garrote opener you've done it right

[strange python]

Whiss

Ur garrote uptime is 22%?

[fiery haven]

Until recently. Didn’t realize you could use it outside of stealth until last week lmao

[little sparrow]

Whoa dude yeah

[pure sparrow]

lol

[peak rune]

xD

[little sparrow]

Garrote uptime and your opener

Mad sus

[pure sparrow]

your opener is double g and then rupture

[mint osprey]

More SS nerfs

great

[little sparrow]

G r g always

[strange python]

Theres no more ss nerfs @mint osprey

[fiery haven]

Garrote rup garrote mul rup exang with vendetta

[mint osprey]

8.1 nerfs @strange python

[strange python]

No

[dapper wraith]

No

[strange python]

Those are already applied

[mint osprey]

just tooltip changes?

my bad fm

[strange python]

Keep in mind that many of these are tooltip updates to reflect hotfixes.

[pure sparrow]

yeah

[mint osprey]

gah

sry bros

[pure sparrow]

np

just gave me a heartattack

thanks

[mint osprey]

lol

npnp

[mossy flame]

Me too

[little sparrow]

You wanna ven before exsang, and use any trinkets before hand

[strange python]

^

[fiery haven]

So the only think I can think of is. It’s hard for me to clip a full rup with ep

Could that be where I’m losing 2k dps

[weak socket]

Whats ep?

[opaque grotto]

Pretty sure it’s G R G Vendetta Mut R Exsang

[little sparrow]

So I'd be for me in example, g r g vend troll gale mut r exsang

[strange python]

You generally don't want garrote or rupture ever falling off ur target

[weak socket]

I've been following everything except what EP stands for

[opaque grotto]

elaborate planning

[weak socket]

Ah

[little sparrow]

Wrong Michee

[opaque grotto]

Whoops

[little sparrow]

You want empowered garrotes and ruptures to fall off

[strange python]

@little sparrow Well that is if its not empowered by ss

[little sparrow]

Or exsang

[pure sparrow]

isn't that also not true?

[fiery haven]

I’m not stacking ss anymore

Just have 1 for opener

[strange python]

Well yes but you immediatly refresh it after it falls off

[little sparrow]

You don't want to reapply rupture until its fully gone

[pure sparrow]

wouldn't the most optimal robotic SS fall off be that you put them back on at .01?

[strange python]

no

[gritty solstice]

is exsanguinate better in m+

[strange python]

Let it fall off

[fiery haven]

I re rup at 1-3 secs

[gritty solstice]

than toxic blade

[opaque grotto]

No because the bleed ticks right when it falls off

[pure sparrow]

ahh

[opaque grotto]

So you would be missing a tick

[pure sparrow]

that makes sense

ty

[little sparrow]

Dot clipping is very bad for empowered dots

[cold patio]

or refresh <3sec with an emp. garrote/rup

[fiery haven]

So how often do you guys hit ep rup

[opaque grotto]

What does that even mean

[strange python]

Once

Opener is Garrote > Rup > garrote

[fiery haven]

Elaborate planning rup

[opaque grotto]

What about it

[little sparrow]

Lol

[pure sparrow]

all these fancy acronyms for things that don't matter are fucking with me lol

[fiery haven]

How often do you land that.

[opaque grotto]

Elaborate planning happens every time you press rupture..

[lone junco]

Ok. This is a joke.

[opaque grotto]

I don’t understand

[strange python]

oh wait

lmao

[opaque grotto]

It doesn’t snapshot rupture

[strange python]

I thought u meant subterfuge

[pure sparrow]

You guys are all being trolled

[fiery haven]

Ep literally gives 10% more dmg.

[opaque grotto]

Yes it does

Thank you

[strange python]

Your finishing moves grant 10% increased damage done for 4 sec.

[lone junco]

Log or go.

[little sparrow]

[fiery haven]

Why would it not apply to rup dot

[opaque grotto]

It does apply to rupture

For 4 seconds

Until the buff goes away

[little sparrow]

The buff is dynamic

The only thing that snapshots is exsang

[opaque grotto]

Snapshotting AINT A THING BUD

[little sparrow]

Exsang snapshots

[lone junco]

Ayyyy

[opaque grotto]

We deciphered the code boys

[pure sparrow]

Ban acronyms for things that are dumb to acronym

[lone junco]

🐲

Don't have a troll emoji.

[opaque grotto]

Why would I type out “elaborate planning”

[stray patrol]

U guys apply garrote if more than 3+ mobs?

[little sparrow]

🚎

[opaque grotto]

When everyone but you knows what EP means

[lone junco]

3 g. That's it.

[pure sparrow]

Except I wasn’t the only one to ask lol

[lone junco]

Ep is Elab.

I'm not typing out an opener either.

[little sparrow]

Wait EP is Elaborate Planning?

[opaque grotto]

Zzzz

[lone junco]

🚪

[little sparrow]

[opaque grotto]

No it’s excellent player

It’s a badge you get for 90%+ parse

[little sparrow]

I haven't gotten my badges

You liar

[cold patio]

where are my bags?

[opaque grotto]

No no you can’t see it

Only other people can

[vernal mauve]

So is having one SS still good?

Or should I aim for something else?

[lone junco]

Depends.

[strange python]

Im lucky to break 9% parse :^)

[lone junco]

Top gear will set you free

[vernal mauve]

Okay, I keep checking for any updates on here and the ravenhold website for any changes to the traits.

[lone junco]

Sim your self with top gear on raidbots. Item level combinations matter more than any chart will tell you.

385 ditb? 330ss Gotta sim or guess.

[opaque grotto]

It’s so funny when casters use ditb

Like nice one blizz

[hollow stone]

Frost mage bis trait. Class fantasy, baby

[opaque grotto]

Just remove generic traits

For fuck’s sake

[hollow stone]

Does it matter since we're all going feral in 8.1?

[wheat zealot]

Or rezans fury, spells make you bleed

[opaque grotto]

Yea man how are cats supposed to hold daggers

[wheat zealot]

Makes a lot of sense

[hollow stone]

Lol

Remove 1 claw, replace with dagger, ???, profit

[wheat zealot]

Cant use daggers, artifact weapon for entire expac was daggers

[opaque grotto]

Gave holy paladin melee wings in pve

Took away 2 handers

Exsang starts simming better when it sims better

Idk what to say to that

[wheat zealot]

Big brain answer

[opaque grotto]

LOL

[bitter pivot]

hey guys, is there a clear answer to which azerite traits i should pursue for m+ / pvp?

cant find good ressources

[wheat zealot]

Bloodmallet.com

[opaque grotto]

SS is generally good in M+

So is scent of blood

[bitter pivot]

ss = swirling sands?

[opaque grotto]

I will slap you

[wheat zealot]

Shrouded suffocation

[bitter pivot]

slap me real hard hehe

is the pinned assa guide up to date?

[solid nova]

Yes

[bitter pivot]

kk cheers

[cyan stump]

3xSS vs 2xSS and 1xarchive for m+?

[opaque grotto]

YOU THERE

[wheat zealot]

I roll with x3 ss

[opaque grotto]

SIM THYSELF

[wheat zealot]

Sims dont account for restealths

[cyan stump]

I am at office with no access

😄

[hollow stone]

If equal ilvl, ss should out perform archive in m+

[wheat zealot]

^

[cyan stump]

i have all 340 ss and 355 archive

yea i ll sim when i go home

[hollow stone]

Thats a tougher answer. Ss is still probably better

[mint osprey]

Is it possible to drop rating in Raider.io?

I thought it only used your best score per instance

[solid nova]

It does

Unless you havent updated it

Addon - website etc

[weak pine]

I got 385 Cephalonhide jacket

[bitter pivot]

i just got a back into WoW after a few years, so sorry if my questions might offend you, but: what makes SS so great? i get +2 combo points during the opener and within that fight once more with vanish, right? is that it?

[wheat zealot]

It gives damage and cp

[bitter pivot]

but just the stealthed garrottes or the normal ones aswell?

[hollow stone]

In m+, you run subterfuge talent and can garrote 3 targets doing a ton of dmg. The combo points are just a bonus

[wheat zealot]

Just stealthed garrotes, and garrotes within subterfuge windows

[bitter pivot]

so doing bosses in higher m+ you guys swap out SS traits or keep em?

cause i dont see it paying off too much

[wheat zealot]

Cant swap in mythic +

[bitter pivot]

no more gear swapping? okay

[hollow stone]

Generally speaking, you run ss in m+ because youll pick up time on trash over time on bosses

Also what indicaz said

[wheat zealot]

You see more value from ss in cleave where you can get an empowered garrote out on 3 targets in your subterfuge window

[bitter pivot]

alright! thanks alot 😃

[open creek]

!WA

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[lone junco]

Exsang starts simming better when it sims better

❤️

[marble hemlock]

is exsang still better if it doesnt sim better?

[wheat zealot]

Pin worthy quote lul

[hollow stone]

Now that ss is nerfed, what traits do we use? @lone junco teeheehee

[daring imp]

what's best sin spec atm

[ember ermine]

[opaque grotto]

LOL @lone junco what else was I supposed to say?

[verbal dock]

[hollow stone]

It was a perfect answer @opaque grotto

[meager knoll]

ugh.. finally got 340 gonk outrunner shoulderguards... after the nerf of the two good traits it has... salty much

[peak harbor]

Guys what traits are u going for PvP ? still SS or SB ?

[meager knoll]

I think it depends on how many SB traits you have

[peak harbor]

2

[meager knoll]

and laser matrix?

[peak harbor]

then on Head Archive

but can go 3x SB

so i mean the main is 3x SS vs 3x SB

[meager knoll]

3x SB should be better in pvp, 3x SS better in M+ and 2x SB and uldir trait for uldir

but I haven't compared them myself ingame, only seen the numbers

[opaque grotto]

I heard twist the knife is pretty good in pvp

[proven ice]

SB is awful in pvp

[daring imp]

with mfd & system shock

[hollow stone]

Sb has huge dmg reduction in pvp because it was broken af at launch

Id advise against it in pvp. Twist is really good

Like ong said, w mfd and system shock you can hit real hard

[peak harbor]

and if i run 3x SS what pvp talents should i go for ? i dont haver any gear with Twist

[hollow stone]

Dd is decent too. I still run 1 ss for arena, the cps are super good and you can sudo sub rogue w triple garr silences on spell cleave (which doesnt get played much atm but whatever)

Probably ep, subt, mfd or vigor, cheat (cause the other two are poop), next tier is your choice (i prefer iron wire), exsang (probably better w 3ss but outside your exsang window you have a bit less pressure), pb

If you want more, i recommend posting in the pvp channel

[peak harbor]

Thanks a lot anyway 😃

[hollow stone]

Im at 1900. So by no means an expert. But its been working for me

[abstract cypress]

Anyone have any experience with orb carrying on G'huun as assassination rogue? Trying to get into PuGs for normal, and people failing the orb carrying seems to be the big hurdle. Seems with shadowstep as only teleport, we're not the very best suited, but I guess everything is possible?

[proper igloo]

so dooms wake takes me out of stealth. when would be the best time to use it during opener

[hollow stone]

Sin is the worst rogue spec for orbs but its still pretty good, best thing to do imo is run it 2nd in your group of 2. Go on ahead and poison dagger the cists (deadly will keep them small) and then sstep to the closest cist to the "dunk zone" and youre golden

Dagger throw, w/e its called

[abstract cypress]

poisoned knife, yeah

Thanks

I guess maybe rupture a cyst just to get some energy back for more knife throws?

[hollow stone]

Yea. I usually try to go up w some cps, take lock port and rupt the one right beside me, then jump ahead hitting each w poisoned knife

And you should be good to go

[abstract cypress]

Thank you

[daring imp]

@abstract cypress rupture the one you shadowstep so you'll have some energy back to keep poisoned knife on the ones ahead of you

i can't stand not doing orbs on h ghuun

[hollow stone]

Thats not my strat tho 😩

[daring imp]

i see people dropping left and right

[hollow stone]

Theres only one way to skin a rabbit. Whomp whomp

[daring imp]

also have locks

@_@"

doing that without locks is a nightmare

[abstract cypress]

Yeah, that isn't alway an easy bit either in PuGs

[hollow stone]

Dks are really good for orb running too; just a side note lol

[spare fog]

on Ravenholdt for multi target the lvl 100 talent it says: Level 100: Poison Bomb or Hidden Blade or Crimson Tempest

[hollow stone]

Theyre no dh, monk, warr, but still

[spare fog]

on what would you base this decision

[last cedar]

8.1 nerfing SS again 😂 unless it's just a tooltip update

[hollow stone]

Just tooltip

[abstract cypress]

I think tooltip update

[hollow stone]

Dont worry

[last cedar]

😅 ok

[daring imp]

on wowhead it's already 108%

ptr is also 108%?

if so, just tooltip

[tropic rover]

What's the best sim for m+? 3 bosses 3 minutes?

[daring imp]

for trash, 3~6 bosses 40s~1min

[hollow stone]

4 or 5 bosses, 40sec-1m. NO BUFFS