assassination

[thorn timber]

10% haste lul

[blissful dune]

Also 10% is so low

[civic palm]

10% is the general goal for M+, stacking Crit and Mastery instead.

[daring imp]

^

[thorn timber]

wow

ok

[vivid bone]

oh good to know 😮

[bright vessel]

WHY does blizz nerf shit all the time 😦

[vivid bone]

I've been going for raid stats I guess

[civic palm]

Because SS was too far ahead.

[warm parcel]

10% is high for m+

[blissful dune]

Ew, i much preffer just going 20 for bosses

[warm parcel]

On aoe you literally need 0

[civic palm]

I mean low M+ do whatever you want > _>

[bright vessel]

really?

[thorn timber]

I'm done here lol, bunch of <300 score LFR heroes who legit believe that scent of blood is a good choice kek

[bright vessel]

by 40%?

[civic palm]

kek kek kek kek kek kek

[rich magnet]

yeah in my raids I get decimated by sin rogue with 17% haste but I decimate him in m+ with 11% haste

[blissful dune]

On a high key it has potential imo

[thorn timber]

scent? no, it doesn't

[bright vessel]

mmm so, any idea what top traits are now?

[sand whale]

have fun mate, you'll get to the acceptance stage after denial

[warm parcel]

The more mobs you have and the longer they live the less haste matters

[civic palm]

Crux wait for HD to udpate after NA reset.

#tc-updates

[thorn timber]

shit dies in the duration of a rupture or your group is garbage

[blissful dune]

On a 13?

[bright vessel]

ty Miz

[blissful dune]

Doubt

[strange python]

Maybe its just you who is garbo

🤔

[slender hare]

when is NA reset?

[thorn timber]

yes, on a 13

[warm parcel]

Werent you just bragging doing above +2?

[rich magnet]

6 hrs

[daring imp]

gee, i'm bummed i don't do low keys anymore for shit to die in the duration of a single rupture

[blissful dune]

Damn ur nuts my dude killing huge packs in 20s always

[sinful lotus]

@bright vessel Was wondering the same thing. But given the Uldir nerfs and SS nerf, was wonderign if SB and DD might be worth stacking or at least using 1 or 2 of

[civic palm]

Weak he was shitting on everyone else for not being UberPlayers.

He himself, is the best person in this channel atm.

[sudden brook]

man outlaw chat wasnt this wild when deadshot got nerfed

[thorn timber]

I'm actually amazed at how bad you guys seem to be if you actually think that mobs taking longer than 30 seconds to kill is normal

[warm parcel]

[civic palm]

A person of such knowledge that speaking out against him should result in you being struck down by divine retribution.

[sudden brook]

yeah packs die in 30 seconds on a 15

i forgot

[daring imp]

did you ever do any 10+ key mate

[warm parcel]

I wonder where the line in trolling is in our rules

[bright vessel]

hahaha

[versed osprey]

@thorn timber your knowledge OF heroic dungeons doesnt apply to us ma dude

[warm parcel]

When it comes to straight up ban

[thorn timber]

this entire conversation started because I came in here asking other people for their opinions, @civic palm. you were the one who called me a FOTM reroller and to shut up and wait for sims

[rich magnet]

wow rykham is such a bad troll

[civic palm]

Just check is post history Weak.

[vivid bone]

I'm putting my trust in Mizerok tbh

[sand whale]

because it's pretty clear it is

[civic palm]

It's telling.

[solid nova]

@thorn timber Enoughs enough now. Knock it off. I'll only say it once.

[daring imp]

no no i'm pretty sure "rupture not worth it to cast on more than 3 mobs per pack" was the reason

[warm parcel]

Ive followed assa for 4 hours now

Dw

[thorn timber]

wow @sudden brook I'm not sure how much faster those goalposts can move? First a high key was an 8, then it was a 12, now it's a 15?

[warm parcel]

Ive just been quiet

[blissful dune]

I mean assuming every pack jusr insta dies in a 12 is a good meme

[terse musk]

Rykhan equipped Mantle of the Victim.

[cobalt cave]

Surely SS still can't be that bad for M+ when the nerfs roll in?

[sudden brook]

since when is an 8 a high key

[thorn timber]

@solid nova I'm not even trolling? I'm legitimately trying to have a discussion and people are having a go at me

[solid nova]

Yes you are.

Knock it off.

[slender smelt]

Since 10 is the cap for highest chest ilvl

[solid nova]

First and only warning

[strange python]

Leave Rykhan alone

[versed osprey]

@ rykhan you are not adding anything of value to the discussion

[solid nova]

Chats a mess as it is, dont contribute further

[thorn timber]

@dawn wraith lmao w/e man, sorry about it. just let these other guys keep piling on me though because that seems fair?

[solid nova]

Drop the bait conversation. It's not to be discussed further

[daring imp]

oka

[solid nova]

@thorn timber If you want to @ me, my dms are open.

[thorn timber]

Will do.

[strange python]

They are regulars so its allowed

[rich magnet]

@daring imp you forget he rolls with top .01% m+ and is in the invatationals all the time

[daring imp]

^

mb

[strange python]

I forgot to bring my popcorn

[civic palm]

We tend to not want the Discord to go to shit.

[strange python]

anyone got some to share?

[hazy iron]

🍿

[civic palm]

🍿 🍿 🍿

[fierce ingot]

Fuck I fucking hate the shitty stupid Azerite system

[hazy iron]

there you go

[civic palm]

Take some.

It's free.

[sudden brook]

🍿

[hazy iron]

I have plenty to share

[tropic hull]

that nerf triggered people so much

[solid nova]

Regular or not, no one is exempt.

[strange python]

Bit to late for that

thank you 😃

[solid nova]

Ditch the trolling, memes arent for spec channels either.

Take it to #off-topic

[sand whale]

I'm more interested in what new traits they have to offer over the old ones

[fierce ingot]

Not even mad about the nerf, it was needed for SS.... but I spend weeks farming the best traits and they get nerfed and back to square 1, fuck you blizzard

[versed osprey]

i mean it was expected to get nerfed just surprised by how much

[terse musk]

We should all calm down, because we are not WW monks today.

[vivid bone]

to be fair , you could expect it to be nerfed @fierce ingot

[hazy iron]

My ss traits just sort of fell onto my lap. I'm just salty I don;t have any azerite peices with DD on them

[warm parcel]

Obviously ss was insane op trait

But

[hazy iron]

runnign 2 ss and laser, feelsbadman

but yeah, was needed

[inner anvil]

they should have nerfed the trait to 1 combo point on top of it

[versed osprey]

i have my double dose set waiting to go just for this nerf occasion

[fierce ingot]

Yes I expected a nerf

[warm parcel]

Sucks to lose dps as already weak prog spec

[versed osprey]

feelsgood

[fierce ingot]

It's still a stupid shorty system

[warm parcel]

Bench time continues

[fierce ingot]

Shitty* lol

[strange python]

Enjoy the bench

[vivid bone]

I'm at 1 Shroud, 1 Lazer, 1 throwing knives

[versed osprey]

the core azerite system is just garbage atm

[sand whale]

you can try and slay ghnnng in the mean time benching

[tropic hull]

it's expected yes, but there is still bug there, and no good way to farm other azerite pieces.

[sudden canyon]

i think sharpened blades > double dose

[civic palm]

When looking at "new" traits remember that Thunderous Blast and Laser Matrix were nerfed as well, so the top few targets have been shifted a little.

[vivid bone]

yeah

[warm parcel]

Youll never use sb either

[sudden brook]

dagger in the back lets go

[versed osprey]

double dose remains unaffected

[upper shoal]

go safe, x3 Dagger in the back

[vivid bone]

we will see in the sims I guess

[warm parcel]

Cause you would want 3

[civic palm]

Yeah.

GL with that.

[warm parcel]

And you have to use one uldir

[inner anvil]

Wait, LM and and TB were nerfed too?

[sudden brook]

yes

[vivid bone]

yes

[sudden canyon]

sharpened blades is also flexible

[inner anvil]

God damn.

[sudden brook]

30 and 35%

[daring imp]

i have a 385 sharpened blades and a 370 one, that's my piece of happiness

[vivid bone]

damn, not bad

[slender smelt]

Ggwp!

[versed osprey]

i have a 370 scent of blood

where does that leave me

xD

[vivid bone]

waiting for sims 😛

[broken fiber]

People actually want poison knife in their rotation?

[inner anvil]

no

[vivid bone]

I like poison knife

more buttons to press

[slender smelt]

I reckon 1 SB and 2 DD will be the go to now

[warm parcel]

No

[hazy iron]

need 1 uldir trait

[warm parcel]

Sb traits are only good with 3

So youll never use them

[crystal helm]

Why would someone toss a knife when you're stabbing it? Makes no sense

[sudden brook]

My general guess is you want 1 SS for the CP gain, 1 uldir trait, and 1 of whatever you can get

[vivid bone]

Meh even 1 trait sometimes sims higher then some others, what are you supposed to do then, not take it?

[daring imp]

well i think i should have a scrapped one on item restoration lul

[slender smelt]

Then 1 uldir trait and 2 dd

[warm parcel]

One ss is likely staying good

[hazy iron]

it's a pity poison wire is so garbo

[sudden canyon]

i got a plethora of azerite gear. im sure i could mix and match a set.

[sand whale]

tbh at this rate I'll just sin on vectis stick with 2x SS

[rich magnet]

I am curious if aott buff is meaningful

[warm parcel]

One uldir one what ever

[sudden canyon]

they should really be resetting reforging costs with these nerfs

[hazy iron]

the basically guaranteed mut crit after garrote would be nice

[civic palm]

It still looks like SS/DD and Twist are good @ 1 stack.

[dapper moat]

Where i can find info about ss nerf official ine?

[royal lantern]

how often do you reroll traits so that you need a reforg reset lol

i used it......2x since the expac is out

[slender smelt]

I mean the 40% is not bad. It still be worth taking 1 or 2 if u are that unlucky

[sudden canyon]

i like trying shit out.

[high siren]

wait you want to try builds

[halcyon phoenix]

well some people like to try oujt differenct specs

[high siren]

you do it a lot

[vivid bone]

try out builds?

[halcyon phoenix]

some people dont just choose one fotm spec and stick with it

[vivid bone]

just sim builds

saves you a lot of gold

[tropic hull]

back to the day sim says is snake shit

[high siren]

you can't sim feelcraft

[rich magnet]

I got raidbots permium because it was cheaper than tokens for azerite regforges

[vivid bone]

feelcraft has no place in here

[sudden canyon]

^]

[severe hemlock]

!ss

[prisma monolith]

Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

[daring imp]

@dapper moat mmo champion should have it

[halcyon phoenix]

well if builds are simming in their close margin, you'll have to see what build feels better for you/you can play better

[strange python]

This place is nothing but bad feelcraft

[indigo goblet]

guys i am still confused about that SS bug
Does it mean that, when there are 4 enemies and i apply SS garrote on 3 of them that those 3 garrotes lose the SS bonus damage when I apply garrote on a fourth target?

[sudden canyon]

sim says sb traits are best for sub. but so clunky

[high siren]

@indigo goblet you shouldn't care anymore

[vivid bone]

There's only bad feelcraft

[indigo goblet]

Why that

[civic palm]

So yeah, DD-SS-Twist > _>

Is where I think things call for spec traits.

[high siren]

because the trait is ded

[rich magnet]

@indigo goblet yes, if 4th is unbuffed

[strange python]

You need 1 uldir trait

[civic palm]

Yeah that's obvious.

[indigo goblet]

i'm even more confused now xD

[rich magnet]

@indigo goblet but you could vanish and apply again to rebuff all ticking ones

[small island]

so what class are u guys rolling? dh? mage?

[strange python]

Already wlock main

[civic palm]

LM and Archive might be close O _O

[sudden canyon]

i dont have that kind of luck. no uldir azerite

[civic palm]

Boosting Lock

BRB

[sand whale]

next ded class

[strange python]

Well LM is dog

[arctic agate]

@small island enhancement

[severe hemlock]

Wait. Was away a week. What are they doing to rogue?

[warm parcel]

Roll mage if you want to have another chat warming up the bench your rogue is sitting on

[strange python]

Unless st

[arctic agate]

[rich magnet]

I gaveaway an archive last raid because it was better for someone else with how bad it was

[indigo goblet]

ye i know phot
i was just confused about the bug itself
actually i never apply garrote on more than 3 targets

[dry void]

why is SB out of consideration i dont understand

[civic palm]

LM ST by item level post nerf is ending up near Archive.

[sudden brook]

u need 3 of them for it to be good

[strange python]

Imagine being benched as mage

Omegalul

[daring imp]

@dry void the more you have it the more it is worth it to cast poisoned knife

[rich magnet]

@indigo goblet basically, the bug acts as if we pandimic refreshed a buffed garrote on all targets when there are buffed ones ticking and vice versa

[daring imp]

and you don't want it to be "a bit worth it", you want it to be "god damn worth it"

[civic palm]

Just Vanish for three more Garrote ezpz > _>"

[arctic agate]

@indigo goblet basically, the bug is, if you garrote a target outside of stealth while you have a stealth buffed garrote on 1+ targets running, the buffed garrotes will lose their multiplier

[broken fiber]

Just vanish

[strange python]

Anyone got tips for fetid mythic today

[daring imp]

imma see if nightstalker vanish poisoned knife is worth something 🐢

[strange python]

Been stuck on it for 3 days

[shut robin]

Don't die

[rich magnet]

in theory you can have 7 buffed garrote ticking on 7 targets

[main rain]

!ss

[prisma monolith]

Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

[civic palm]

GL Horde > _>

[indigo goblet]

o o f

[arctic agate]

@rich magnet if the gcd allows it

[main rain]

wtf is blizzard doing, they could have at least fixed the ss bug

[arctic agate]

Nerf the damage was more important

[summer tapir]

but nerfing it so no one wants it is way easier for them

[arctic agate]

Who cares about bugs

[indigo goblet]

It's not a bug, it's a feature

[daring imp]

^

nop

[summer tapir]

heh

[hard plaza]

one thing though, azerite gear i think we can all agree is pretty poor 😄 BUT the dunegons they releiased with BFA are great

[arctic agate]

That troll

[hard plaza]

M+ is so fun atm

[broken fiber]

Still feels like im playing on the beta

[civic palm]

As far as anyone knows the bug is fixed in the reset.

If not

[broken fiber]

live btw

[civic palm]

O _O

[tropic hull]

agree m+ is fun

[civic palm]

MMOs are ever-changing, nerfs and buffs are going to happen.

[sudden canyon]

beta for azeroth?

[hard plaza]

dungeon designs are so good

[small island]

@hard plaza its gonna be fun being behind tank on damage tomorrow

[civic palm]

Bugs will happen in anything complex.

[hard plaza]

meh im bottom on dmg anyway

im shit

[strange python]

Bring back CM's

[hard plaza]

😂

[civic palm]

lol

[sudden canyon]

hit boxes are clunky in dungeons

[rich magnet]

m+ is only fun when you aren't getting trolled, lost 3 10s today because healer or tank trolled and quit at start

[tropic hull]

yikes

[arctic agate]

battle of demon hunters

[true thistle]

When will be SS nerfs affected by te nightly build via raidbots.com?

[hard plaza]

i was in a TD +5

and it took an hour

after someone left

[true thistle]

gotta see if i will be playing sub st, assa mt duh

[hard plaza]

cause he couldnt be fucked

[teal glen]

time to panic switch trait

[vocal harbor]

when are you supposed to use exsang other than in the opener?

[rich magnet]

on cd, unless vandetta is coming of cd

[true thistle]

when garrote and rupture is at max benefitable uptime

[vocal harbor]

kk ty

[true thistle]

i mean, garrote like 20+ rupture 25+

[indigo goblet]

freshly applied rupture with vanished garrote and vendetta

[vocal harbor]

i am doing some m+ with it right now just to see how much dps i was missing out on lool

outlaw main

[true thistle]

@indigo goblet exsang will be used 1 more time before next vanish pops up

[indigo goblet]

ikr

[vocal harbor]

i wish there was a way to avoid combat reset when hitting dummies. can't get an accurate dps reading with that

[wintry compass]

what does the SS nerf mean for exsang though, does it push TB ahead

[fallow tangle]

Soo.. after the shrouded suffocation nerf.. What is the best now?

[sudden canyon]

we dont know

yet

[fallen sandal]

w8 for sims

[wintry compass]

soom (tm)

[true thistle]

when you are out of opener go for mutilate(as you have 2cp+) > vanish > garrote > rupture > garrote > envenom

[rich magnet]

@wintry compass you will have to sim yourself and see

[indigo goblet]

wait, instead of fixing it, they nerfed it?

[vast edge]

dont panic!!

[true thistle]

i suggest you to panic

[rich magnet]

for me exs wasn't much a gain with my gear in the first place but higher haste means different things

[misty hemlock]

so, now that SS gets nerfed by down to 40% are there any other good perks to use instead? finally got done farming for 3xSS so i'm fucking annoyed to say the least

[sudden canyon]

im pretty sure they left the bug too

[true thistle]

you will be likely -10k on opener

[fallow tangle]

For me it looks like sharpened blades will be the best for pve atleast. According to bloodmallet

[true thistle]

[vestal wren]

#tc-research aethys suggested some traits

[strange python]

SB wont be the best

Its shit

[true thistle]

sb is only good in sims

in raid environment this sux

[vast edge]

fuck sharpened blades.. such a boring trait.. its probably gonna push double dose up.. since thunderous blast got nerfed aswell

[sudden canyon]

nerf SS. not even fix the bug. I woudlnt expect much more from blissard at this point

[teal glen]

time for enevenom trait with crit mastery stacking

[fallow tangle]

which bug

[civic palm]

SS has not been nerfed without us knowing whether or not the bug has been fixed.

[broken fiber]

All these BFA traits r so fun and engaging 🙂

[strange python]

DD with MP and TB could be a thing I guess

[civic palm]

Put away the dagger you plan on stabbing people with > _>

[fallen sandal]

i guess outlaw and sub will be forward on sims now

[cedar anchor]

why owuld it suck koczan 😮

[rich magnet]

my guess is archive and lm will be on par so either lm/archive and 2 dd for raids

[cedar anchor]

as long as you dont loose your stacks its not bad.

[true thistle]

it could be good when executing boss mechanics

[fallow tangle]

Snake eyes build on outlaw will be the best

[wintry compass]

SS was great, it changed your opener and made aoe garrote godtier. Don't really want to run boring passive traits

[true thistle]

you move, you throw poisoned knife

[strange python]

Just pull and wipe

To get stacks

For a legit pull

Ezclap

[true thistle]

but tbh, assa doing better opener than sub? that was crap\

[cedar anchor]

.. lets be honest - the nerf was needed, the trait was way above all

[jovial ingot]

the first time vendetta comes off CD after opener, should you use on CD or wait a few seconds for vanish to come up? ravenholdt guide isn't super clear

[fierce ingot]

Atleast i can farm all the m0s tonight and then again tomorrow after reset before raid I guess

[true thistle]

assa was op

[sudden canyon]

40% doe?

[cedar anchor]

40% might be a bit too much, its still gonna perform good anyway tho

[true thistle]

when i pull like 60k on zul opener what are we talking about

[broken fiber]

Nerf was needed but now sin is ded

[true thistle]

50k on ghuun so duh

[cedar anchor]

and most lilkely stay on top, because other traits are just straight bad§

[civic palm]

40% seems fine.

Chill chill chill

[misty hemlock]

@cedar anchor instead of constantly nerfing the good traits to the ground, why not buff the less favourable ones instead?

[cedar anchor]

still gonna be good for m+ most likely

[daring imp]

could they atleast buff the other shitty traits we have tho

[vast edge]

why oh why do they keep nerfing traits and they neglect our other traits thats garbage tier

[lament dove]

because other classes couldn't pull 60K on zul opener...?

[misty hemlock]

40% down from 80% is f'ing huge

[broken fiber]

Rogues not allowed to be top dps

[cedar anchor]

for example, if you take a look at other classes.. their top trait is usaaly the universal one, not their class specific one

[sudden canyon]

whys sin chat full of sub/outlaws

[vast edge]

atleast in the same patch buff other trait and nerf the strong ones instead of just nerfing one and leaving the shit trait the way they are

[cedar anchor]

which all just leads into one point -> bad azerite design

[fallow tangle]

Because i play both outlaws and sin

[broken fiber]

cus we all rerolled sin after the outlaw and sub nerf 😂

[sudden canyon]

🤔

[civic palm]

Design is fine, the initial balance was shit.

[cedar anchor]

hopefully they fix all that shit in next big patch

[civic palm]

I don't know HOW they thought it was OK, but at least they are trying to fix it.

[sudden brook]

exactly

[true thistle]

omg

[cedar anchor]

@misty hemlock lol its not 40% from 80

[true thistle]

you are all so dumb or what

[royal lantern]

jokes on you, sin is life, i aint gonna switch just because they try too balance the trait lol

[true thistle]

you were fucking 20k ahead at opener and you think that was fine

[cedar anchor]

^ that

[civic palm]

Yeah SIN is pretty set after the nerfs.

[sudden brook]

exaaactly

[true thistle]

40% is fine

[cedar anchor]

is tru tho what alacrity said

[royal lantern]

dont tell em

[vast edge]

they even buffed a hunter trait by 400%.. its times like this you KNOW they have no clue wtf they are doing

[cedar anchor]

ss was just broken, its funny how yall cry tho

[royal lantern]

3x garrote too top dps is fine dont you know

[true thistle]

feels like i got moderated

[strange python]

I can now finally compete on the meters with our tanks and feral

[sudden brook]

yeah the hunter trait needed a 400 buff, it was abysmal

[cedar anchor]

so if anything it might be in line with other top traits now

[civic palm]

Also not nerfing the GIANT NAIL that was SS and buffing a bunch of GENERIC traits would be a fucking nightmare.

[true thistle]

[wintry compass]

it was the only reason we were doing well?

[strange python]

POG

[cedar anchor]

no reason to cry or migrate to dh right away

[royal lantern]

and if you only buff stuff and never nerfe other things you get a power creep

[cedar anchor]

but go ahead and gtfo if all you do is cry

[wintry compass]

Nerf the trait but buff something else

[civic palm]

We didn't need them.

or don't, it seems like.

[true thistle]

guys, tbh

if you play rogue for dps

[civic palm]

We might get an aura buff to compensate of things are too low though.

[true thistle]

time to play hunter

[sudden brook]

assa doesnt need a compensation buff, its still gonna be really strong

[royal lantern]

@strange python idk wich kind of weed you smoke, but i allready did the same dps as sub/outlaw BEFORE they got nerfed and with only 1x ss

[civic palm]

We could get that 4% back > _>"

[fallow tangle]

So PvP-wise.. Im guessing Twist the knife or Scent of blood stacking?

[true thistle]

@civic palm you talk like whole spec was 50% nerfed

[vast edge]

i dont know.. 40% of my single target dmg was garrote with 2 SS traits.. i wonder how my dmg is gonna be now

[obsidian venture]

Is this really a big nerf? My SS trait says it does 400 extra damage...so now it will only be 240 extra damage? Doesn't seem too big of a difference, am I missing something?

[strange python]

is SS nerf live yet on EU?

is it next reset?

[true thistle]

it will be like 5/7% drop

of overall

[royal lantern]

ye

[high siren]

you would think that after 15 years of balancing, that wouldn't have happened

[cedar anchor]

anyway time to enjoy last m+ before ss hits and i might not top every dungeon from that point on 😄

[true thistle]

you garrote damage is not like 50% of dps from traits

[sudden brook]

ss is still gonna be really strong in M+

[thorn grove]

Ppl thinking that ss nerf will make them do as much dps as tank
LUL

[true thistle]

xd

[cedar anchor]

@high siren yes thats what is running through my mind

[royal lantern]

people cry like its a 40%overall dmg nerf and we are bettwen holy priest and restro druid dps wise now lol

[cedar anchor]

it feels so fucking rushed all about bfa

the sh priest thing

[strange python]

we sharpened blades now bois

[cedar anchor]

then you see 400% or even 50% adjustments

[normal surge]

Am I gonna be forced to play this fuckin' sharpened blades bs now

[true thistle]

when sub was nerfed fod shadowstrike trait and 5% overall that was a reason to cry

[strange python]

just wait till it comes out of beta before complaining lmao

[sudden brook]

no

[strange python]

I bet disc can actually out dps sin now

[true thistle]

cause it made 80% of subs switch to assa

[dusky tiger]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uWtup7hpLi1uf1sEjJ8BeN haste in front of agi wtf?

[true thistle]

just like me, +1.2k more dps on sim

[civic palm]

@true thistle Nah just one of our large damage contributors, and getting that 4% back would mean that we were that much behind on their intended RaidDPS scaling.

[ebon swallow]

Fuck..just move from outlaw..got 370 SS heroic chest last night..today i got nerfed

[daring imp]

^ lul

[strange python]

@dusky tiger its been that way forever for me

[wintry compass]

@dusky tiger I sim haste > crit > agi

[high siren]

welcome to beta for azeroth

[true thistle]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/p8qophT8Yk72ySiYuPTeyq

gotta drop like 600/700dps imo

[strange python]

1 shrouded suffocation 2 sharpened blades meta 😎

[sudden brook]

dead spec

[spring prawn]

was reset already for na?

[sudden brook]

holy priests beat u in damage now

[stiff geode]

How do you guys weight stats when the wow armory takes forever to update gear?

[vestal abyss]

/simc

[daring imp]

i just relog

o_o

[solid nova]

Simulationcraft.

[true thistle]

just /simc

its easier and faster

[fair hill]

simc

[sudden canyon]

sb garbage withoout trple stack

[true thistle]

ss trait wil be in met astill

[burnt dawn]

they honstely should let us pick pvp chest reward again

[stiff geode]

Doesn't simcraft pull stats from the armory as well?

[languid harness]

Actually it seems like it's better to go 2x SS and 1 uldir trait? Atleast I sim better with it

[cedar anchor]

i just need to know if i wanna run 3x ss for m+ after the nerf, or include some other traits like SB

[strange python]

nope @stiff geode

[vast edge]

good thing i have my bank filled with 340 azerite armors for a rainy day..

[sudden brook]

in M+ u probably still want 3 SS

[spring prawn]

in m+ you wanna run sub.

[hazy iron]

nah

[rich magnet]

sub is weak in higher keys

[rigid sky]

sim to be sure what traits you need

[fair hill]

Sin is king in m+

[sudden brook]

the best rogue spec for M+ is comp/gear dependant

[languid harness]

Wait, did they Nerf assa?

[true thistle]

@spring prawn why tho

[hazy iron]

mut pops off in higher keys when things don't just fall over

[strange python]

@stiff geode download the addon

[true thistle]

assa > sub at m+

imo

[spring prawn]

prio dmg > padding

imo

[hazy iron]

if you need funelled ST, then sub is obviously what your team need

[misty hemlock]

am i seeing this right, the 40% nerf to SS makes it worse than some of the boring ass generic traits? how the fuck does blizz think it's great and fun to have spec specific unique traits be worse and those stupid generic passive ones?

[sudden brook]

its extremely comp/key dependant

[wintry compass]

padding LUL

[flat laurel]

Prio dmg just get vendetta up lmao

[rich magnet]

sub is great at low keys but higher keys it falls off on sustained dps

[thorn grove]

How is it adding

Padding

[true thistle]

on m+ environment it is all about overall damage

[sudden brook]

No respect for outlaw here

[vast edge]

@misty hemlock yep

[true thistle]

outlaw?

[calm shell]

Assa> sub in m+ cause of specific affixes and because of SS.

[strange python]

becasue we are kings

[true thistle]

what is outlaw

[strange python]

and they know it

[hazy iron]

yeah but vendetta is a 2min cd, where as sub can do it pack tp pack. I run mut in m+ anyways because our team needs the cleave

[stiff geode]

@strange python Ahh I see, thanks

[rich magnet]

even without ss, sin > sub on high keys

[daring imp]

snek >>> sin & sub

[proud grove]

Does raidbot take the ss nerf ?

[true thistle]

you will see

[sudden brook]

sin = slows/multidot, outlaw = cleave, sub = priority damage

[strange python]

even tho snek is not the best for uldir

[vast edge]

SS nerf isnt live yet?

[sudden brook]

it depends on what ur comp needs

[true thistle]

one more hotfix and all subs and sins to outlaw xD

[spring prawn]

blissard be like "rogue rank 1? nerf." dh close? "doesnt matter, plebs complaining about rogues"

[vast edge]

wait for the NA reset i think

[shrewd bane]

ss nerf is live

[sudden brook]

but dh wasnt close

[vast edge]

it is?

[sudden brook]

rogue was WAAY better in M+ than dhs

[spring prawn]

ok

you actually have no clue what youre talking about.

[shrewd bane]

"Ah, more of that Blizzard Brand Tuning™ where you nerf the hell out of the strong instead of just buffing the weak. People were taking traits like Thunderous Blast mostly because the class-themed alternatives were garbage by comparison. But instead of making those weaksauce traits more desirable by buffing them, I guess it's easier to just break the legs of the better traits. I'm not sure why I'm so surprised though, this has largely been Blizzard's "balance" methodology for years." so true....

[sudden brook]

🤔

[spring prawn]

@sudden brook send me ur rio.

[wintry compass]

damage they were close but utility rogue wins out errday

[sudden brook]

what does my rio have to do with anything rofl

[spring prawn]

alot.

[scenic quail]

hero dmg not updated but nightly build is for new azerite nerfs?

[calm shell]

Got 2 DH on a m+ run the other day jumping around my screen. Almost gave me nausea 😆

[strange python]

He is stuck in 5's

[true thistle]

@spring prawn what is your score?

[strange python]

MonkaS

[sudden brook]

there were a 64 rogues at 15+ and 33 havocs at 15+

[spring prawn]

only 1k, but i dont have a group, so pug 1k pretty decent :P

[true thistle]

1k is nice

im at 470 w'o motherlode dungeon

[strange python]

does rio tell people how many keys you have left lol

[true thistle]

not much time for running m+'es

[spring prawn]

ofc it does

[daring imp]

fml i hate blizz leaderboard/rio for putting a few of my best runs as "unknown" and not register that shit

[true thistle]

rio tells people if you have ilvl

[sudden brook]

if were talking pure volume there are way more sins than there are havocs at high keys

[true thistle]

or you know stuff

[normal surge]

Please dont tell me theyre gonna force me to play fuckin sub or outlaw again braindead specs

[sudden brook]

whos forcing you

[hazy iron]

🤔

[true thistle]

braindead spec sub?

[spring prawn]

guy. what do you not understand.

[true thistle]

said sin XD

[thorn grove]

Just be assa onetrick

Noones forcing anyone

[daring imp]

oh c'mon sstorm on 5+ packs isn't exactly what you can call not brainded @_@

[spring prawn]

dude sub is legit 111211121112112111211121111211112112

[hollow cloud]

no

[wintry compass]

garrote 40% of damage, other specs are braindead

[arctic agate]

Tbh sub is way harder to play

[hollow cloud]

sometimes u click 3 & 4

hello

[hazy iron]

lol

[sudden brook]

click

[spring prawn]

damn boy

[strange python]

Sub is actually brain dead spec

[spring prawn]

sub is sooooooooooooooo boring

[strange python]

but like, all 3 specs are kinda easy af to play tho

[bronze hatch]

greetings to the guy who tried to argue yesterday that SS wont get nerfed

[thorn grove]

There's no hard specs tbh

[true thistle]

actualy thats true

[arctic agate]

It's not. I'm playing assa myself at the moment. But sub is not an easy spec for sure

[true thistle]

its about mastering

[unreal sundial]

arcane hardest spec

[winter turtle]

sub isnt harder.. it just requires you to not fuck up those few gcds that have to be executed properly every 20sec or w/e

[normal surge]

Sub not braindead? SS SS EVISC SS SS EVISC --------------- LETS CHANGE IT UP ----- BS BS BS BS EVISC BS BS BS BS

[vast edge]

wtb traits that changes play style.. pls

[thorn grove]

Arcane hardest LUL

[sudden brook]

assa is tab garrote tab garrote tab garrote

[strange python]

Lemme master that 112112112 sub gameplay

[sudden brook]

we can shit talk the other specs all day and figure out whats easiest if we want

[strange python]

4head

[true thistle]

start counting autoatacks in your rottation as sub

[spring prawn]

arcane is harder then all rogue specs lol

[true thistle]

so we can talk about sin being hard

[vast edge]

@sudden brook probably not anymore seqLUL

[true thistle]

[strange python]

who gives a fuck what's easier and harder to play

play what you want

[hazy iron]

managing shadow techniques isn't easy lol

[spring prawn]

play what you want and run those 5's ^

[unreal sundial]

i wanna play combat for my 5% hit rating ty

[vagrant nymph]

I just wanna play what puts me top of dps chart. easy or not

[left hedge]

So what's the thought on BiS for PvE traits now then? Scent of Blood? Double Dose?

[bronze hatch]

^

[vast edge]

but maybe.. just maybe.. when we see the sims.. its not gonna be so bad with a 40% nerf to SS

[jaunty lagoon]

yeah who even give a shit about which spec is better, and this ain’t the place to talk shit about the other specs seriously

[wintry compass]

SS for M+ unsure for raids

[bronze hatch]

its like 600dmg per tick per garrote

if i math correctly

[high siren]

subterfuge

[true thistle]

"my spec is better than yours"

[bronze hatch]

without other bonuses

[spring prawn]

youre never gonna run DD on m+... and raids drop nothing... sooo

[true thistle]

"no my is better

"no, mine"

[spring prawn]

SS

[left hedge]

Even with 40% nerf?

[strange python]

mines better tho

[craggy gust]

🍿

[spring prawn]

ofc

[left hedge]

I mean I like having at least 1

For the 3 combo generator

[wintry compass]

Bring back tier sets FML this azerite ballache

[jaunty lagoon]

@true thistle “no your spec is 1 button”

[spring prawn]

when are you ever using mut in m+?

[bronze hatch]

pretty sure even with 40% ur gonna run atleast 2 SS for m+

[spring prawn]

besides bossfights

[bronze hatch]

if they fix the bug

[sudden brook]

u 100% want SS in M+ still

[bronze hatch]

then even more sure

[left hedge]

Okies. TY

[spring prawn]

ill run 2 ss and engineer helmet

[bronze hatch]

its just stupid strong cleave

[spring prawn]

cuz its bonkers

[arctic agate]

I think as long as they don't remove the 2 CPs, 1 SS will always be an option

[civic palm]

an extra Garrote is worth more than the loss from the nerf > _>

pleaseFixBug

[thorn grove]

Why dont we all just play ww and taunt the boss for karma damage

[civic palm]

Yeah but then you still got nerfed harder than we did.

_>

[dense blaze]

I will laugh if the bug is still there even after a nerf

[bronze hatch]

just play bm and turn monitor off

[spring prawn]

best thing is, they nerfed monks LUL

[sudden brook]

just reroll feral

[bronze hatch]

roll ur fingers on 1-5

[jaunty lagoon]

did they even fix the garrote bug

[spring prawn]

no

[left hedge]

Nope

[spring prawn]

they nerfed it, so nobody uses it anymore

no fix needed

smart

[arctic agate]

@dense blaze tbh I think it'll still be there

[thorn grove]

Bring legion affli back

[jaunty lagoon]

so they were faster to nerf it than fix it when it wasn’t working for over a week, nice one

[fresh bough]

I don't think they are even aware of the bug tbh

[hollow cloud]

stay safe people, sims are out soon-

[strange python]

its like the achievement on ghuun that tells you exactly the opposite of what you have to do

[fresh bough]

Has anyone told them lmao

[hollow cloud]

probably

maybe

hopefully

[vast edge]

i kept using 4+ garrote on trash since like forever.. and i had completly forgoten about the bug and was wondering why my dmg was so shit on 4 targets but better on 2 targets.. you would think they would have atleast fixed the bug before nerfing the trait

[royal lantern]

do you think we will use something like 1x ss for combo points on pull and then 1x twist the knife/double dose now for st?

[daring imp]

imma go 3x sharpened blades meta

[sudden brook]

well you want at least 1 raid trait for the reorigination

[hard plaza]

they might still fix the bug

[serene glacier]

ranged rogue

[hard plaza]

full patch notes are not out

[strange python]

this is so stupid, you grind and grind and grind for specific traits... so much time spent and they nerf it. First with sub and now with assa

[royal lantern]

gl with that when you can only use it 2x cus of the raid trait pal

[civic palm]

You don't grind to begin with.

For traits.

[steep forge]

narrator: they didn't fix the bug.

[sudden brook]

how were u grinding for traits

[civic palm]

Unless you are grinding Heroics.

[royal lantern]

and only taking 2x sharpend blades is not that good

[hard plaza]

doing 8 dungeons

[little frigate]

well, those cunts did it again; rathe than buffing shit traits they nerfed our only goo done

[hard plaza]

is not grinding lol

[daring imp]

@royal lantern joke's on you, can't use raid trait if i never get lucky to drop it :thomkin:

[royal lantern]

(and they gonna nerf it 100 % too)

[vast edge]

you do 3 mythics with the SS trait and you pray

[sudden brook]

thats a grind?

[ocean robin]

!ss

[prisma monolith]

Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

[thorn grove]

Because grinding in MMORPG is bad lol

[royal lantern]

REEEEE TIMEGATING REEEEEE

am i doing it right?

[green saffron]

so, what will be next favour trait of the week?

[sudden brook]

[vast edge]

still after the helmet from shrine mythics.. even with 4 friends using leather.. still have not got the helmet

[languid harness]

Hang on, so raidwise, sub will get ahead with shadow blades trait?

[steep forge]

have you heard of our lord and saviour, tidal surge

[civic palm]

Maybe.

[little frigate]

SS was the ONLY reason we were competitive in AoE

what now?

[shrewd bane]

yup

[magic thistle]

i would not say only

[arctic agate]

Best rogue spec is havoc now

[strange python]

Reroll

[sudden brook]

you're still gonna be good on aoe

[strange python]

reroll class is dead

[magic thistle]

dont overreact

[royal lantern]

sin aoe is sustained

[vast edge]

@arctic agate

[royal lantern]

ss just made us do burst aoe

[true thistle]

guys

all roll hunter

[umbral berry]

crimson tempest boi

[sudden brook]

just reroll feral rogues dead

[royal lantern]

cus it was overtuned

[magic thistle]

our AoE is great in high level Mythics. horrible in low level mythics

[short pebble]

where does ss chest drop ?

[umbral berry]

fetid

[hard plaza]

People complaining about the fact they nerfed SS, instead of buffing the other talents need to step outside of the rogue only bubble there sitting in. all 3 rogue specs are top 10 in m+ and raid atm. If they were to buff the lesser traits to bring up to part they would have to do that with ever singel trait in the game to match every other class.
Rogue is still going to out perform against most other classes in the game,

[true thistle]

Just roll Feral, you won't be nerfed.

[magic thistle]

MY issue is that they nerfed it without bug fixing

[sudden brook]

god bless thank you

[strange python]

please don't be logical, ellmo

Wrong

[sudden brook]

for saying that

[vast edge]

underrot is the SS chest

[steep forge]

this is not the time for measured and steady reason

[magic thistle]

how the fuck can you justify a change to a trait and not fix the bugs surrounding it

[steep forge]

it's time for abject horror and panic

[arctic agate]

Enhancement shaman. Nerf immune

[short pebble]

thanks

[sudden brook]

ok jesus

[sullen sphinx]

SIN hanging with the holy priests now

[hard plaza]

@magic thistle full patch notes arnt out yet

[sudden brook]

who knows if they fixed the bug

[sullen sphinx]

RIP

[sudden brook]

the full patch notes arent out

they fix bugs without reporting them all the time

[bronze hatch]

BUT MY TOP DPS

[sudden brook]

it could just be stealth fixed, chill

[strange python]

Gonna lose to disc priest and feral now

Feelsbadman

[hard plaza]

that text was literally JUST the azerite changes, there will likely be plenty of other details in the patch

Look at unholy Dks

if u wanna complain

[magic thistle]

If thats true then id be fine with the changes

[hard plaza]

roll uh DK

[bronze hatch]

imagine if they gonna hit sin with hammer too

[vast edge]

you sure ellmo

[bronze hatch]

[sudden brook]

yeah rogues are in an extremely favourable position, literally all 3 of the specs are very close and all competitive

[fresh bough]

Inc sin flat 5% damage nerf

[sudden brook]

is there even another spec that has this luxury

[strange python]

The non azerite trait hotfixes notes are already up

4head

[hard plaza]

its the best class ive played in any expansion atm

[strange python]

There are no changes

[hard plaza]

closeness wise

[obsidian venture]

Was SS really that great? It says it only causes Garrote to do like 400 addl damage, not a whole lot...

[sudden brook]

yes

[bronze hatch]

per tick

[magic thistle]

Link the atch notes @strange python

[versed bobcat]

Wait so there will be more tuning in the patch (like compensating ss nerf with a 5-10% flat buff or sth)? Didnt know that

[little frigate]

People say that sin still has amazing aoe. Maybe I'm just bad - very possible - But I can't manage over 20k dps on every aoe pull now

warriors, dh and mages have no problem with that

[vestal wren]

SS was expected to get nerfed.

[obsidian venture]

Ohhh per tick...wasnt that clear

[daring imp]

@little frigate but ... the nerf isn't even in yet ...

[magic thistle]

@little frigate what traits are you using

[terse hinge]

Look. We knew it was gonna happen.

[kindred forge]

Noooo Fuuu........DEAD CLASS

[jaunty lagoon]

i mean, 20k+ garrote ticks was bound to get nerfed

[bronze hatch]

u could pull 30k+ easy in 3 target cleave

[vast edge]

having garrote crit for 20k with 2 SS traits in vendetta.. was pretty nice

[nimble hazel]

Just triple garrote with ss was enough to do 20k dps in aoe

[little frigate]

im using 2 SS and 1 dagger in the back

[vestal wren]

i agree with aethys there, a nerf by ~25% would have been fine, they overdid it with 40%

[sudden brook]

sin shouldnt even be the burst aoe spec to begin with

[bronze hatch]

^

[hard plaza]

its a dot spec doing 30k burst

[little frigate]

and i neer had 20k garrote ticks, 15k crits yet

[fresh bough]

40% is a knee jerk nerf

[hard plaza]

😂

[vestal wren]

i assume the 40% root in m+

[magic thistle]

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/news/21973195

[nimble hazel]

Tell that to affli before they nerfed it

[arctic agate]

I think for =<3 targets, 3x SS will still be best

[vestal wren]

sin was just op in m+

[nimble hazel]

Deathbolt LUL

[sudden brook]

thats also my guess, they probably nerfed it by 40 to deal with M+

[tropic hull]

I like when people say what should spec do or what not

[magic thistle]

@hard plaza i dont see a bug fix so unless they stealth fix it its not here

[civic palm]

40% with the nerf to TB and LM though?

[strange python]

There is none

[civic palm]

25% would have put them closer but competing still.

[strange python]

Idk why you would listen to some random pleb

[green saffron]

AOE # Cleave Garrote

[strange python]

Claiming class changes

[spring prawn]

time to reroll to dh

[river quarry]

What race is best on alliance for raiding?

[hard plaza]

@magic thistle i didnt say there was one, i just said the full patch notes wernt out, so there could be more changes 😄

[normal surge]

troll

[thorn grove]

Dwarf

[arctic agate]

Alliance raiding

[strange python]

They are out?

[neon sequoia]

WOW i've just seen 40% nerf to SS.. why?

[strange python]

Cant you read

[neon sequoia]

was it that strong really?

[royal lantern]

ye

[sudden brook]

yes

[arctic agate]

Why? Really?

[royal lantern]

it was broken as hell

[spring prawn]

cuz rogues are #1 dps, nobody is allowed to be #1

[nimble hazel]

The damage was per tick

[royal lantern]

3x garrote=24k dps->balanced

[vestal wren]

i am not trying to back up blizzards decision, but if you just looked at m+ statistics once you probably saw the issue

[civic palm]

Seems fine.

_>

[warm cove]

ss trait live on raidbots?

[vast edge]

maybe we just need to be patient and the grand scheme down the line is that sin rogues are getting a better trait after the SS nerf

[sudden brook]

LMFAO

[neon sequoia]

yeah good joke

[little frigate]

No, I agree thatn SS was broken. No doubt

[sudden brook]

that log is so funny

[neon sequoia]

nerf sub 4 times

nerf outlaw 4 times

here come the sin nerfs

[civic palm]

@vestal wren if they fix the Empowerment bug how much DPS is made up having the 4th Garrote?

[little frigate]

but 40% ?

[neon sequoia]

what else gets a blanket 40% nerf

[sudden brook]

what

[neon sequoia]

to something

[river quarry]

uh

did my shit get removed

lmao

[nimble hazel]

Monk gets a 55% neff

[sudden brook]

they didnt get a blanket nerf

[vestal wren]

yes iirc 25% seemed to make it in st still be extremely good

[sudden brook]

monks just got a 55% nerf to a trait

[soft island]

You rly think they will fix the bug? LoL

[vestal wren]

hehe ye monk was rly huge too

[vast edge]

@civic palm iv played around with the bug alot.. and having 4 garrote not empowered was like 8k dps vs 3 empowered garrote that was 20k +

[vestal wren]

but i talked about that in #wow-general some days ago

[wild gyro]

@vestal wren don’t you dare be logical and level headed, we want mindless speculation and misinformed outrage

[civic palm]

I am not talking about during the bug.

[nimble hazel]

To be fair, monk trait literally broke their spec

[royal lantern]

the monk nerf was because it broke the class

[civic palm]

having the 4th garrote means you gain DPS you would not have due to the bug.

[sudden brook]

LMFAO

[kindred cedar]

Will the bug be fixed now?

[vestal wren]

yes

[neon sequoia]

lol

[royal lantern]

monks with 3x the trait never even used fist of fury, just rising sun kick cus it did so much dmg

[vestal wren]

i hope they fixed ss bug

[royal lantern]

it litearly broke the class cus they didnt use some skills anymore

[strange python]

You expect to much

[warm cove]

doubt it actually

[strange python]

If you think its fixed

[civic palm]

Losing ~1k damage per tick from Garrote from 2xSS but gaining an entire Garrote is gud.

[weak pine]

They fixed it by reducing the dmg

[calm marsh]

is the nerf live btw or tomorrow with reset?

[warm cove]

reset

[weak pine]

on reset

[nimble hazel]

I don't mind the nerf, i do mind having to refarm my azerite gear every.single.patch.

[royal lantern]

still 1 day of beeing the FotM op class my eu bois

[calm marsh]

tbh i doubt the nerf is too big

[robust garden]

Just keep them lul

[neon sequoia]

yeah its so shit

[nimble hazel]

I do keep them

[little frigate]

so what traits do we go for now 🤔

[neon sequoia]

I spent 4 weeks trying to get azerite head

[main rain]

Blizzard fixing bugs?

[neon sequoia]

now the trait is worthless

[calm marsh]

on m+ i had ~ 30% garrote dmg with 2 SS traits

[gaunt merlin]

Because 20k dps with one button on a dot class was fine 😂

[civic palm]

You can't farm Azerite Gear stop destroying it.

ahhhhh

[warm cove]

is raidbots uptadet with the ss nerf tomorrow?

[timber nacelle]

so is exsanguinate dead again?

[vestal wren]

hehe limit will have fun with the hotfix

[sudden brook]

lul

[serene glacier]

I already have like 5 different chest pieces.. ready for everything

[vast edge]

@neon sequoia still trying to get my SS helmet from shrine

[neon sequoia]

gl 😄

[nimble hazel]

Same @serene glacier

[weak pine]

This is why you never throw away azerite gear

[neon sequoia]

yeah i

i've learnt that

[sudden brook]

vantis rune + class nerfs lul

[nimble hazel]

Wanna bet the new bis trait isn't on it?

[sudden brook]

gonna be fun ghuun

[little frigate]

maybe that 370 azerite chest with laz0r thingy will be good now

[gaunt merlin]

Lazor nerfed too

[lilac fern]

Laser nerfed

[robust garden]

Laser got nerfed as well

[serene glacier]

lazor nerfed

[soft island]

Poor spookie got swapped from ghun. Press f

[weak pine]

With the SS nerf should we still aim for 1x SS for the combo points?

[sudden brook]

ur still gonna want 1 raid trait just for the reorigination array

[vestal wren]

well method go all ranged for g'huun

[prime pasture]

lets enjoy sharpened blades together bois 😂

[hollow cloud]

When in doubt

e

[vestal wren]

hehe inb4 sharpened gets nerfed 😛

[warm cove]

are we gonna get something like this? https://gyazo.com/ce04786a71c77b92b7c68d6cb362cd98

[hollow cloud]

aw

[magic thistle]

@weak pine to be fair you would think a release expansion wouldnt have such drastic changes. Like a hunter trait getting a 400% increase

just reaks of a rushed product

[hollow cloud]

[vast edge]

i had a paladin with 371 ilvl in my m+ the other day.. everything he had was 370-395 his azerite items were all 340... i love this system blizz.. its the same with myself.. got a bunch of 340 azerite and my gear is 360+ its such a snoozefest

[bronze hatch]

i hope they delete sharpened blades

[royal lantern]

they gonna nerf it for sure

[strange python]

Well SB is shit

[bronze hatch]

shit trait

and cancer to use

[strange python]

No one cares

[main rain]

Next week - (Outlaw) Snake Eyes: Damage bonus reduced by 50%

[bronze hatch]

doesnt with the class at all

[sudden brook]

why would they nerf snake eyes

[lilac sparrow]

ss nerf is live?? I saw it changes during maintenance

[sudden brook]

y do ppl keep saying this

[weak pine]

what

[serene glacier]

still wont be using the 370 shoulders from Arathi WB ... Rupture trait 🤢

[weak pine]

what did I say

[neon sequoia]

how good is it that if your neck ilvl isnt high enough you cant even USE a higher level azerite piece even though the traits do the same dmg???

[weak pine]

@magic thistle

[timber nacelle]

so is exs dead again?

[warm cove]

i sim lower today using nightly

[civic palm]

Method still has some Melee for Goon.

But not much.

[vestal wren]

@warm cove is that sub chart? if yes i already talked with bloodmallet, sharpened looks extremely strong their bc. of the talent change in the base profile

[serene glacier]

they have war and DH

[magic thistle]

@weak pine in response to throwing away azerite gear

[serene glacier]

for orbs

[sudden brook]

2 tanks = melee

[vast edge]

@serene glacier apparently rupture trait is good in arena

[nimble hazel]

Buffs and orbs

[weak pine]

Oh yes

[strange python]

Its not for orbs

[warm cove]

yup it is @vestal wren i just don't want the assassination chart to look like that..

[strange python]

Lol

[viscid pawn]

Bloodmallet up to date with ss nerf?

[nimble hazel]

Battlecry too stronk

[little frigate]

oh fuck laz0r was nerged too

[magic thistle]

You shouldnt expect blizzard to essentially take away a piece of your gear

[little frigate]

-.-

[weak pine]

They just announced they will so

[civic palm]

They didn't.

[warm cove]

because before i got 3x ss i had 2x sb and I hated it @vestal wren

[royal lantern]

sharpend blades has 1big problem, its 100 % ussules for aoe and a big windup

[strange python]

You cant use ANY abilities on mythic if u have orb

[civic palm]

They brought SS in line from being busted.

[strange python]

Those classes have nothing to do with orbs

[robust garden]

Is it in line tho?

[drifting orbit]

so SS is still BiS tbh?

[civic palm]

"in line", hopefully

[little frigate]

im not gonna play with sharpened blades. fuck that shit trait

[vast edge]

even if SB becomes bis im not using it

[civic palm]

It's a lot but LM and TB were nerfed as well.

[trail otter]

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

everyone panic

[vestal wren]

@warm cove herodamage has a page for ES and Dark i would cross compare to have a better estimate. bc. Tl;dr: dark just fucks up other traits in that chart

[weak pine]

If SB is bis doues taht make Venom rush Viable?

[civic palm]

So things are closer together in regards to Twist, Double Dose, SS, LM, Archive, TB.

etc.

Minus the really awful generic procs.

[steep forge]

wonder how much frenetic corpsucle was buffed by.

[warm cove]

yes i saw that, so herodamage is more reliable? @vestal wren

[drifting orbit]

well for me it sounds like we dont stack SS anymore

[bronze hatch]

gonna laugh if later on they will also nerf sin base damages

[civic palm]

Yeah I am curious about the trinket buff as well.

[drifting orbit]

but its still hard

[bronze hatch]

like they hit disc dmg

[civic palm]

and that it was the ONLY trinket buffed/fixed.

[kind roost]

so with SB you just use knife at 30 stacks? thats it?

[steep forge]

yeah

[mellow pasture]

i love shuriken toss lol 😮

[drifting orbit]

SB is like the legendary chest from WW monks in legion

[gray portal]

Is herodamage already taking the nerf in to consideration?

[scenic marlin]

Is the ss nerf out?

[gray portal]

because it is still telling me to take 2x Ss

[strange python]

No

No

[vestal wren]

@warm cove the issue is you have problems getting 3x sharpened, if you look at the top raid teams you will almost see noone use it

[strange python]

Because its bad?

Helo

[civic palm]

We’re planning to make the following changes during this week’s maintenance period.

[peak harbor]

i have 2x 340 and 1x370 with SB

[strange python]

Anyone who plays the game

Knows to never take a single SB

[bronze hatch]

SB

[drifting orbit]

fuck SB honestly

[bronze hatch]

its so horrible skill design

[distant creek]

you guys think outlaw or sub will be better than us in m+ noow?

[vast edge]

its probably gonna be Double Dose meta on single target with the nerf

[steady grotto]

So I take it a sin nerf is coming lol

[sudden brook]

the best rogue spec for M+ is spec/comp specific

[strange python]

No DD meta

[steady grotto]

I was just gearing up to switch

[strange python]

Is going to happen

[nimble hazel]

We legion monk now, just with poison knife

[drifting orbit]

best rated rogue on m+ is an outlaw with meme build sooo

[steady grotto]

Nooooo

[bronze hatch]

not in higher keys

[steady grotto]

Ffs

[bronze hatch]

definately not

[drifting orbit]

he is

[prime pasture]

lets just see SB taking top spot and we'll talk how many still refuse to take it 😂

[warm cove]

https://wago.io/SkXtjMSDX use this for sharpaned blades, we will all use it tomorrow

[visual token]

But I dun wanna be a meme

[hardy wing]

Since Shrouded is bad, whats BIS ST azerite trait now? any updated sims?

[weak pine]

Blizzard thought of us and said: This spec was designed to be ST only. Let's remove the one aspect that makes it competitive in thrash and dungeons.

[edgy latch]

do you hold vendetta for SB stacks at opener?

[strange python]

You dont use SB

[warm cove]

yo is nightly updated or not? i sim lower today than yday

[strange python]

Ever

[drifting orbit]

DONT use SB

[bronze hatch]

cmon guys stop panicing

[distant creek]

competitive? assassination was completely broken op in m+ lmao

[vast edge]

first rule of SB.. you dont talk about SB

[drifting orbit]

wtf dont even consider it

[bronze hatch]

sin will still be top 10 dps

even after this nerf

[sudden brook]

sin was nutso bongo with SS in M+

[bronze hatch]

at moment its 10% ahead of anything else in m+

its needed nerf

[neon sequoia]

what do we do about traits now? wait bloodmallet updates?