just play afflock
#assassination
terse pawn
unique zenith
Does mine count juice
bleak jungle
Jesus Christ. I could understand like 15-20% nerf. But fucking 40%? Damn they don't want us staying useful in M+
sudden brook
god stop hitting me with all this knowledge
arctic agate
lmao
acoustic lion
something has to be tier1, why are people using "rogues are t1, must be nerfed" as an argument? doesnt make sense
terse pawn
warlock is king dps
inland path
eta on simcraft, hero dmg etc being updated?
acoustic lion
And its not like rogues where out of the charts compared to others
weak isle
Cant they ruin hunters
edgy latch
imagine not having compact view on discord so you can see everyones profile pics
unique zenith
On reset @inland path
rich magnet
locks got a 30% nerf to their bis trait too
tight meteor
@inland path 
broken swift
@acoustic lion some people like to read that charts backwards
inland path
its 9am where i live
rich magnet
7hrs for NA reset
tight meteor
check the pins
inland path
@rich magnet ty
serene glacier
anyway back to toxic blade
subtle tundra
atleast exsang is worse hate that talent
terse pawn
rogue is pretty high
tight meteor
wtf exang is so fun
unique zenith
Not gonna lie, it's crazy seeing people this heated.
royal lantern
wich trait will be good now? pls dont tell me the throwing knife one, thats would be so stupid
terse pawn
like, #1 high
acoustic lion
Czerny , whats your point? cus #1 they must be nerfed?
terse pawn
yes
broken swift
@sudden brook best part about that 4 rogues in top 100 is all arent even assa lul
weak isle
T1 rogue btw
tight meteor
@royal lantern no one knows
acoustic lion
now another is #1, should be nerfed too then?
terse pawn
welcome to world of warcraft balancing
bleak jungle
SS play style was actually fucking fun. Now it's gone. People are gonna be heated
sudden brook
sin was way too good
weak isle
Every reset gonna be a nerd
sudden brook
espeically in M+
weak isle
Nerf
bleak jungle
They destroy anything unique
acoustic lion
Czerny, you dont know what youre talking about xD
rich magnet
@royal lantern unfortunately unless I missed something yeah
arctic agate
Always nerf top until enhancement is #1
weak isle
Aye
terse pawn
if this is your first expansion it's a good time to learn this
primal sigil
btw the changes havent gone live yet have they ? ... im still bursting the same
weak isle
Enhanc FotM
terse pawn
top specs will always get nerfed
tight meteor
then shamans wont have something to cry about they cant do that
primal sigil
this goes live after reset ?
terse pawn
yeh
acoustic lion
Trust me, ive been playing longer than you, if you wanna measure dick size
cedar moss
“Anything unique” pressing garrote to fucking annihilating everything. Sorry it got nerfed pumpkin
sudden brook
mythic logs are skewed
cedar anchor
@terse pawn yeah, cuz heroic 75% is the best measurement right
broken swift
outlaw is INSANE in m+ with bladeflurry though
halcyon phoenix
subtle tundra
and i thought we were gonna have some good aoe unlike legion
terse pawn
mythic logs are tiny sample size
sudden brook
too many private logs to actually get any data
coral meteor
I love these patch notes
uneven summit
let´s just be happy they didn´t nerf more than a trait boys..
halcyon phoenix
terse pawn
why you linking mythic logs
weak isle
Outlaw fotm 
strange python
I'm wondering if the trait for Toxic Blade can't be useful now?
terse pawn
there's like 1 demo lock total in mythics
halcyon phoenix
cuz mythic is what matters
acoustic lion
Czerny, just please stop
rich magnet
mythic logs aren't accurate right now
halcyon phoenix
heroic is a joke
terse pawn
mythic is a joke
broken fiber
Tfw a trait makes the spec
broken swift
also this
terse pawn
terrible class representation
cedar moss
Assa is a joke
uneven summit
you´re a joke
rich magnet
rogues are stacked for specific fights, makes certain specs look better
dusky fulcrum
Guys if i dont logut do i still get nerfed? 🤔 🥉 👀
safe matrix
mythic data is scuffed, its an extremely small sample size as most guilds havent killed most bosses, and a lot of top guild private log.
coral meteor
My 370 azerite helm might actually outsim my 340 ss helm now
So I'm not even complaining
primal sigil
i dont think the problem is they nerd the trait.. the issue is they nerfd the trait but didnt buff anything else.. in a way kinda making the spec pointless..
shrewd tinsel
Just nerf after nerf, now everyone goes sub, and then that'll get nerfed
thin plinth
guys when is the nerf happening ? 😄
shrewd tinsel
rogues aint allowed to be top dps?
sudden brook
assa was way too good br0
rich magnet
they nerfed the trait and the next two highest ones as well
shadow venture
as long as dh stays untouched its fine 😃
broken fiber
Buff dh 🙂
terse pawn
batman cleave to the rescue
tribal sand
dw ill complain on forums about DH being op and stupid simple like the idiots who play them
uneven summit
buff elemental shaman, shadow priest and feral druid
broken swift
even prenerf sub and outlaw still sim higher then assa
mortal gyro
so is assassin dead now or what?
uneven summit
no
broken swift
im still very confused why assa got nerfed
broken fiber
yea sin is ded
terse pawn
sin is dead
weak isle
No
terse pawn
reroll feral
sudden brook
assa simmed higher tho
weak isle
Sin dead
tribal sand
sin definitely isn't dead lol
strange python
a tank/dps-hybrid shouldnt be able to beat a focused dps-class except in specific cases imo, except with hard frikking work
edgy latch
@halcyon phoenix people are fucking stupid though
weak isle
Reroll enhanc shaman
broken fiber
rip sin after reset 
jovial kite
sage cosmos
"is sin dead?" chat instantly speeds up
thorn grove
Back to toxic blade i guess
edgy latch
but people are playing full aoe spec
uneven summit
go old school combat rogue
dusky fulcrum
everyone thought ion meant that statsquish was all we needed, but obviously everone will get nerfed down into 300 DPS 🚙 🚓 🍿
broken swift
http://prntscr.com/kvouaz @sudden brook
subtle tundra
DEATH
sudden brook
assa SIMS higher mathematically
subtle tundra
that was pre-nerf
uneven summit
people switching sub because of SS trait nerf are weak
edgy latch
people playing outlaw on zek and zul to pad shit
tribal sand
honestly isn't even that bad
jovial kite
Wowprog sims 
edgy latch
when its literally useless dmg
weak isle
SS on sub also weak
subtle tundra
that trait making garotte very good made the spec fun
weak isle
SB only way
uneven summit
SS on outlaw is bis
dusky fulcrum
Everyone knows that if u dont padd the dps meter u have a tiny dick / small titties if ur a gurl
arctic agate
Tbh, damage should be balanced to the spec's difficulty. Surrender to Madness was nice and not too OP. Now we have DH clowns with castsequence macros everywhere
broken swift
what do you mean it sims higher mathematically @sudden brook its legit all mathematics in the first place goofy
round vine
honestly, how bad is this nerf going to be?
royal lantern
i just think its funny that the trait NEVER really worked 100% since launch, first it didnt work at all, then it was bugged and you where not allowed too use normal garrotes until they run out
edgy latch
idiots in raid throwing shit cause theyre aoe padding
sudden brook
wtf r u talking about
bleak jungle
Massive
sudden brook
stop talking to me
acoustic lion
DHs just blade dance and eye beam 😄 literally 80% of their dmg
royal lantern
and they didnt even bother fixing it and just kill the trait lol
edgy latch
check boss damage and prio adds dmg fucking idiots
strange python
And Huntards with the rotation of: 1111112111112111112111112
terse pawn
someone give me a DH castsequence macro so i can reroll
clear harbor
Fuck it i stay sin and play triple ss.. suck that blizzard... feel so boss right now. logs in to level dh
bleak jungle
Blizzard is too fucking stupid to buff other traits along with it, so people are forced into shit that isn't fun
broken swift
not my fault your drunk and don't even know what your saying
sudden brook
ok, linking wowprogress sims and saying "assa sims lower" is fucking stupid
unique zenith
I'm guessing some timezone just woke up and found out about the buffs
broken fiber
We should al reroll DH and get em nerfed 😡 
bleak jungle
Probably @frigid lagoon
strange python
Drama still going 
unique zenith
Back to the shitshow
tribal sand
yeah the esat coast
coral meteor
tbh the fact they didnt even bother to fix ss is the most fucked thing of all
rich magnet
@frigid lagoon probably, exs was only siming .5% higher for me so it will definitely be lower now
terse pawn
oh what the fuck
arctic agate
@bleak jungle and I bet they totally ignored the fact that SS is bugged. Just hammer the damage, ignore their fuck ups
terse pawn
it's 4am
coral meteor
the nerf is a good thing unless you honestly thought that trait was good game design
ol
unreal sundial
good game design cus i topped meters tbfh
tribal sand
^^
unreal sundial
bad game design if i dont ty
terse pawn
what, you didn't like 80% of your damage being frontloaded from stealth?
snow orchid
shuold have buffed something else to compansate
strange python
@tribal sand 1 trait outshining everything else is bad gamedesign
broken swift
how so, its an accurate representation of class performance between classes, there is a reason arms dominations the sims for warriors in wow progress
coral meteor
I'm assuming that is sarcasm
arctic agate
SB is good game design 
tribal sand
nerfing the trait in to the ground is bad game design @strange python
hasty sonnet
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
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bleak jungle
@arctic agate Yeah, it's still not getting bug fixed. Just ban hammered. Fuck fixing a class, let alone giving them options.
That's the Blizzard way
weak isle
Letsgo spam knife
strange python
@tribal sand Oh, yea thats bad as hekhekhek!
broken fiber
I feel sin will be so weak without ss lol
tribal sand
you still ahve SS
unique zenith
Ayyy the shitshow is back in full force, text zooms by again
tribal sand
it didn't go anywhere
broken swift
and back near the start of the xpack before outlaw and sub got nerfs there wasnt a single sin rogue in the top 300 top simmers on wow progress
tribal sand
its just 40% shittier
jovial kite
It wouldve been fine but theey nerfed 2 top traits aswell
unreal sundial
idj
coral meteor
Lmaooo
unreal sundial
isk
royal lantern
well, the problem is that blizzard simply nerfed the trait that was op and all FotM rollers abused, and didnt botherd too actually buff other options
edgy latch
sin rogues in my team with uldir azerite pieces has been doing fine
terse pawn
just delete SS from the game
strange python
@broken fiber We'll probs be okay, i can still do 22+k openers (Which is very high for me)
edgy latch
´better than me with 3x 340 ss
royal lantern
oh well, now they all atleast go back too sub again
jovial kite
@unreal sundial what
sudden brook
wow progress sims are a bad metric to tell whats "the best"
jovial kite
Are u high?
broken swift
how is it?
tribal sand
and SS was invisible during raids
unreal sundial
you get to SS 3 times in a boss fight
unique zenith
🍿 🍾
terse pawn
should remove venomous wounds and give sin rogues a Tiger's Fury equivalent
and see how you like it
fading hearth
HOW IS UNHOLY. Friendship with Rogue has ended
coral meteor
Bring back sin roulette poison bomb 🤔
sudden brook
bcuz what sims highest on wowprogress is what has the most gera
jovial kite
Ss was strongest trait in raids
young flame
Now you sinners know how we felt when Deadshot got shat on
bleak jungle
Blizzard never gives classes things to change play style. Only give things that force play styles.
They're absolutely shit at balancement this expansion. It's fucking pathetic how big of a mess it can be
jovial kite
Dunno what ur talkin about
tribal sand
no it wasn't lol
unreal sundial
3 vanishes and a opener
coral meteor
Ye but no1 cares about Outlaw
unreal sundial
at most
terse pawn
combat rogues need not apply
jovial kite
ita the highest simming trait
broken fiber
SS was bis st sin actually ded in raid
broken swift
but the think about the top 100 people goofy is they all have just about the same gear
terse pawn
go back to warrior
jovial kite
So its best in raids
unreal sundial
highest simming trait that has how much up time
young flame
I'd be glad if nobody gives a shit about Outlaw
coral meteor
Any Outlaw Rogue that says they cared about the spec - it's not really that bad that they're lying to us, just disappointing they're lying to themselves.
arctic agate
Tbh they didn't remove the additional CP from SS and other traits can compensate the damage loss. It's just a hit for now. But it's more fun to rage
tribal sand
you should learn how it was sim @jovial kite
safe root
People arguing with statistics 😂
jovial kite
@unreal sundial U dont know how sims work
broken swift
the top 1 player doesnt have 10 ilvl over the 2nd player
weak isle
Never understood SS exhan rotation anyway
prisma monolithBOT
All specs are good. Specific ones shine in specific areas.
Check the following resources for the facts:
Warcraft Logs: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/19#class=Rogue
Raider.io: https://raider.io/mythic-plus/season-bfa-1/all/world/leaderboards-strict
broken swift
that doesnt make sense
unreal sundial
link your logs then mr big dick
young flame
Atleast we won't be hit with 40% nerfs again
sturdy pasture
reallistic, is this nerf so hard for sin?
broken swift
if anything its like 1 ilvl over the next, that isnt going to change the sim that much
coral meteor
@young flame wanna bet
sudden brook
@broken swift ALL THE rogue specs are extremely close in terms of ST DPS, Assa SIMS the highest with equal gear in a ST patchwork setting, whoever has the most gear is going to be "the best" on "wow progress sims"
mortal gyro
sand canyon
HOW DO YOU GUYS FEEL? 😄
fiery sage
assa will be fine
mortal gyro
Mad
cyan stump
feelsbadman
weak isle
Suicidal
young flame
@coral meteor no actually, I'm sorry papa blizz
coral meteor
Anything is possible
fiery sage
stop cry it will be fine
coral meteor
With this game's balancing team
unique zenith
@coral meteor why can't dif rogue specs get along. I can drink you can poison my drink. And sub will stab us all in the back
weak isle
Atleast subt is up again 
small island
time to stop raiding and m+, lets get that juicy gladiator title bois
sturdy pasture
@sand canyon you play with the feelings 😃 you are more then ironic, you know
strange python
Actually dead class
terse pawn
outlaw is just the homeless person warrior spec
arctic agate
@sand canyon my shaman is ready
coral meteor
Next week we'll log in to find out poison bomb nerfed by 50% and dispatch scaling coefficient buffed by 1.25%
broken swift
@sudden brook but if assa sims higher then them with the same gear why cant it take the lead with .05 of a ilvl difference?
bleak jungle
I'm just pissed because Blizzard never Buffs anything else to compensate for shit like this, and make other traits useful.
With any spec. Not just Sin
sand canyon
@sturdy pasture well, u gotta ride the memes bro 😄
coral meteor
strange python
Good thing i had wlock alt
sand canyon
just enjoy
sudden brook
ur a brick wall
fading hearth
Let’s all reroll feral and then get that nerfed for laughs
inland path
@sand canyon delete your rogue to show this isnt just a way to vent your anger and that you are really going to reroll bro because you are 100% gonna be on your rogue tomorrow morning and you know it brah LUL
mortal gyro
so is picollo's double dose the best trait now?
rich magnet
the only problem for me is if I get forced back into sub I am done with rogue this expansion, I hate sub its so boring... 121212121212 rotation complete, but if the other rogues in my mythic raids fotm back to sub or outlaw I run risk of not raiding because I want to play sin
strange python
coral meteor
Actually they can nerf w.e they want, but in return they need to make it so you can have unlimited shadow steps to targets in execute range like Warriors with charge
sudden brook
whos forcing you to play sub
round vine
so back to outlaw
coral meteor
Just for fun.
edgy latch
why would you play outlaw
strange python
I feel better just by reading all the crying here 👌
edgy latch
its the worst spec out of the 3 rn
round vine
no
sand canyon
@inland path relax im never rerolling, im multiclassing anyway and just play the most efficient specs 😄
edgy latch
if we're talking raiding
sand canyon
idc about nerfs
broken swift
@sudden brook and now with ASSA nerfs assa isnt going to be even Close to sub in dps on those settings
coral meteor
Me too, this was a nice quiet neighbourhood discord channel until the last hotfixes
modern walrus
Guys u wanna top meters go lock
sand canyon
im just having fun 😄
modern walrus
Otherwise embrace
sudden brook
@broken swift ok they will still be insane in M+ cool
round vine
its above sin in mythic now, let alone what its going to be tomorrow
acoustic lion
Now I dont see one single reason to bring any rogue spec in anythiing over a havoc DH, i really dont
civic palm
@sand canyon Feeling relaxed :3
coral meteor
Now it's like having a crazy russian family move next door to you having bbqs every single evening blasting out some vodka polka music until 2am
strange python
Having fun in 2018
weak isle
Hahahaha
sand canyon
@civic palm sure idc tbh
queen merlin
we know you're a beast on any spec lol @sand canyon
broken swift
@sudden brook but sub will also. spamming finishers with shuriken storm is super high damage
sand canyon
they nerf us to hell so what 😄
sudden brook
@acoustic lion what about zul
coral meteor
Today is more or less the equivelant of what happens when their visas finally run out
magic thistle
THE BEST PART NERF SS BUT DONT EVEN BUG FIX IT THANKS BLIZZARD
edgy latch
@round vine are you talking mythic uldir?
broken swift
@sudden brook thats why they simmed higher near the start of the xpack also
edgy latch
Like random aoe dmg matters
acoustic lion
@sudden brook what about it?
round vine
yes
edgy latch
Uldir is all about prio targets
coral meteor
In case you didn't get the clue, I have crazy Russian neighbours 😦
sudden brook
you bring sub rogue to zul
edgy latch
not aoe padding
unique zenith
I'm gonna go to bed, just wanna give a shoutout to assa channel for the hours of entertainment
strange python
Dead class
civic palm
don't ask if you don't mean it meanboy > _>
sudden brook
sub rogue is absurd on zul
pastel bough
This fucking sux
sudden brook
u bring a rogue over a DH on zul bcuz u need a sub rogue to kill zul right now
rocky holly
what the fuck is happening my head is exploding someone literally garroted me
jovial kite
petition to ban @sand canyon for stream advertisement
rocky holly
jk it’s 40% nerfed i’m ok
acoustic lion
Fair, 1 boss in the game.. Maybe sub rogue is better than DH.. thats it then
fiery nest
fotm tears are best tears
civic palm
Yeah can't wait for the channel to be dead again.
sudden brook
DHs are good on like 2 fights
coral meteor
Once my kettle is boiled
magic thistle
NO BUT SRS what we gonna run now
broken fiber
Blizz can nerf rogue but they cant nerf the brah 
sweet ginkgo
tfw just got a 370 SS chestpiece
broken swift
what was fotm?
coral meteor
I'm off to read bnet forums
magic thistle
NOTHING CAUSE I AINT GOT THE AZERITE
tribal parcel
Toxic
sand canyon
dude sub is still bis
sand canyon
if ppl just wakeup and learn the meta
broken swift
because if people think assa was fotm
sturdy pasture
@sand canyon gas for the fire, bro 😜
sudden brook
assa was FOTM in M+
sand canyon
@sturdy pasture i dont mind
hard plaza
Assa was FotW
sand canyon
😄
edgy latch
people flaming about fotm. Why wouldn't you always play whats best for your raid?
royal lantern
guys, do am 0 world tour, get new pieces and be done with it, crying around in the class discord wont give you new stuff
strange python
Subs trash
bleak jungle
Assa was only fotm in M+
strange python
Just like this class
fiery nest
literally the best spec in the game: weRe Not FoTM GUyZ
edgy latch
I'm not gonna reroll, but ill always play the best spec for the boss
civic palm
If you wanted to play what was best for your raid then you would be playing Warlock.
bleak jungle
Now we're forced to eat shit in raids because of M+ fotm nerf
thorn timber
Shrouded Suffocation was actually fun, but it isn't going to be now. I really think azerite respecs should be free if they're going to be doing ridiculously pendulum balancing like this
coral meteor
@broken swift People shit all over Sin for being in their opinion the worst spec in the game, then flocked in here after the initial nerfs/hotfixes and started making excuses for why it is so strong despite the fact fuck all had changed from launch
runic gorge
20 warlock raid. make it happen bois
hard plaza
probs still be top 5 dps
wise whale
the herodamage sims for m+ are they wrong?
sudden brook
why are u acting like rogue is garbage
civic palm
Nah just need like... 5.
coral meteor
It was the most satisfying show of extreme hypocrisy.
thorn timber
Also: what the fuck do we even play now? Double Dose? Totally passive RNG damage boost BiS TY based Blizz
edgy latch
check #tc-updates
magic thistle
play SS still cause its the only azerite trait we have
bleak jungle
Assassin wasn't touched since launch. People called it shit. Suddenly we're "op fotm" and get nerfed
civic palm
You either don't care and play what you want, or you wait until HD is updated (sometime tomorrow) and see.
sudden brook
well yes, when the 2 best rogue specs get nerfed, the 3rd best spec becomes the best
fiery nest
@bleak jungle 3 SS wasn't OP? lmao it was more op than 3x deadshot on outlaw and that got nerfed first
hard plaza
because sub got a 5% nerf and Outlaw got th5% and and 20% to DS
thorn timber
If you "don't care" about what does the most damage then I really don't know why you even bother joining a class discord, it's fine if you don't mind being dead weight but most of us want to actually help out in our groups
edgy latch
@thorn timber but muh class fantasy
tender rune
so, will sub top sin after the nerf?
sudden brook
well no spec does "THE MOST DAMGE" each rogue spec is different on each fight
bleak jungle
This be how Blizzard balances this expansion. Nerf everyone without buffs until we all pull feral dps
hard plaza
Outlaw can do the most dmg
fiery nest
yikers
runic gorge
yikes
magic thistle
Is SoB mean sharpened blades?
civic palm
If people cared enough to come to a Class Discord they could at least read the fucking pins.
thorn timber
Class fantasy is what warlocks get except they also get to top meters at the same time kEk
nova gorge
Scent of Blood
magic thistle
thanks
fluid ibex
so we dead nao?
broken fiber
yes
fluid ibex
meh back to sub then xD
zealous dew
level 2 DH does more dmg than 120 sin rogue
broken fiber
time to play dh
strange python
Subs even worse
thorn timber
@civic palm pretty sure everyone's read the pins already pal, we're just discussing what is good or terrible. thanks for your irrelevant LFR raider/200m+ score opinion though
strange python
Just reroll
acoustic lion
the 30% nerf to warlock Sudden Onset is so uncalled for, I actually feel bad for them as well
strange python
Trashbin class
hard plaza
how long till tis channel gets back to normal we think?
edgy latch
isnt scent of blood literally shit?
fluid ibex
reroll to sub .-P i started as sub still got every azerit pieces, so ye
crystal helm
Play whatever class that you think is fun instead of fotm, unless that is a feral druid then you have to reroll
civic palm
@thorn timber Right, yes everyone has already read the pins... right.
uneven summit
"discussing" haha
runic gorge
scent of blood is good?
rich magnet
SoB is ok in m+ but SS way out performed
royal lantern
good or terrible? everyone is just REEEEEEEEEEEE ing around cus they lost the faceroll aoe and need too switch too another FotM spec/class now lol
civic palm
That's the worst fucking joke I have ever heard.
sudden brook
channel will go back to normal in 2 days is my guess
rich magnet
SoB is shit in raid
slender smelt
So what does this actually mean for triple ss? Worth it or nah??
unborn barn
Everyone who thinks the sky is falling and they are not competent anymore, stop playing assa. Actually, just stop playing rogue altogether. Leave this discord while you're at it. THANKS.
rich magnet
even on zul
royal lantern
farm new pieces and be done with it, something else will be the best trait, get it
unborn barn
*competetive
thorn timber
@civic palm I don't care about the opinions of people who haven't read the pins. I wanted the opinion of people who actually play Rogue, not mog farm with it, but clearly that's not happening
strange python
Its dead class
warm parcel
Then why are you here
strange python
There you go
bleak jungle
I want to see more traits buffed for play style versatility. Least they can do by now
rich magnet
I will say with the rollercoaster nerfs every week I am stopping trading gear in raids, two weeks in a row I have given away something that got better the next week
rocky holly
why would you ever
unreal sundial
you actually get gear in raids?
bleak jungle
They stealth nerfed fetid trinket too, though it was shit anyways
broken fiber
imagine getting gear in raids
runic gorge
never give away ur azerite pieces...
royal lantern
@thorn timber SS was too strong, idk why blizz ignored it with the first set of nerfs, people allready knew it back then, all those FotM rollers just cry cus they lost their faceroll aoe rotation, just do a m0 tour and try too get sharpend blade/double dose traits cus they seem too be the best for st fights
thorn timber
I'll be honest - I don't even want to log in anymore. I loved Outlaw until they decided to wildly nerf it's strongest trait with zero compensation, then they did the same thing to assassination. I don't want to be forced to play sub to compete, and that seems to be what Blizzard is going for
unreal sundial
i got a TF trinket from Taloc and have had nothing off of Mother and Fetid, sad times
magic thistle
fuck this gay ass expansion
edgy latch
SS was too strong, im mainly salty that they bothered to nerf it without actually fixing the bug
sudden brook
@thorn timber bro all the rogue specs are still good, stop rerolling FOTM just play what u like rofl
rich magnet
they buffed fetif trink?
frosty oak
finished my emissary and upgraded my last non 340 piece, a 325 ss to a 340 ss with overwhelming! this would've made me way happier if ss wasnt getting shit on by blizz tomorrow
solid nova
What a spicy meme morning
rocky holly
yes
sudden brook
20k LUL
thorn timber
@sudden brook lol, it's not "rerolling FOTM". like I said before, it's about pulling your weight in groups and most rogue specs really aren't going to anymore
edgy latch
@sudden brook People actually raiding mythic instead of mog farming will play whatever's the best for the raid
Instead of being dead weight
royal lantern
the fuck
strange python
are people crying because SS got nerfed? it needed a nerf
bleak jungle
It did 26k damage pre nerf. Now 5.6k
civic palm
The only meme here is the people losing their fucking minds about the sky falling and thinking that this is ANY kind of DISCUSSION.
bleak jungle
What are you smoking
rich magnet
how much? I have a 385 in bags because it was shit compared to 340 boon
royal lantern
are you really thinking that you did 0 dmg without ss traits?
spring prawn
actually for m+ outlaw was on par with assas post nerf. not assas is just shit compared.
unreal sundial
sub for zul 🤔
rocky holly
The Frenetic Corpuscle now activates more often.
sudden brook
@edgy latch you that each rogue spec is good on different fights
rocky holly
straight from the hotfix update
sudden brook
sin wasnt "THE BEST ON EVERY FIGHT"
solid nova
SS nerfed, must be the end of the world. Reads Sin, seems right.
sudden brook
sin was good in ST fights
edgy latch
Yes, i'm well aware of that
bleak jungle
And does 20k less proc damage bud
coral meteor
Unless your guild is like top 500 (which is like 80% of the people in this channel btw, quote me), no1 is going to give a fuck what spec you plaY
sudden brook
u act like playing sin on every single fight was doing ur raid a service
rocky holly
where is that noted?
edgy latch
I'm playing sin, except for zul
strange python
ss was broken in m+, you don't need it for raiding
edgy latch
might go sub on fetid if raid needs more demand burst
strange python
Just reroll
edgy latch
but we're just 3/8 so far
thorn timber
@sudden brook who gives a shit about raiding?
bleak jungle
If you had the trinket, you'd have noticed. Go check logs
sudden brook
????
lapis falcon
we just have to wait to another good trait for st like was SS thats all
pulsar bluff
@coral meteor reading people, they are all Method raiders ! dont say that.
frosty oak
@strange python wasn't ss bis for raiding too?
bleak jungle
Mhmm
strange python
@solid nova consider deleting this channel. Spec is so dead no one will ever talk in here 
civic palm
RIVETING DISUCCION CHAPS
rocky holly
i have it but never used it... lol
rich magnet
@frosty oak yes
thorn timber
Garrote was 35-40% of overall damage in M+ - now it'll be less than my fathoms proc
civic palm
👏 👏 👏
frosty oak
why dont they just buff SS, and make it be "Your next garrote out of stealth"
strange python
sure but you can do fine without it
strange python
SS was bis assuming you got lucky with the pieces
unreal sundial
if only my guild logged
civic palm
The gameplay along with Subterfuge is actually neat and having it only be 1 is boring.
strange python
370/385 random traits simmed more
civic palm
Plays a lot like Poisoned Wire as well.
unreal sundial
bleak jungle
Assassin gonna lose literally 1-2k dps
edgy latch
nice feelcrafting
strange python
pack your bags
frosty oak
hmm
unreal sundial
MOTHER syndrome, never gunna parse competively with every spec bleeding 1k dps each week
frosty oak
is there any real way to calculate the true loss in damage?
thorn timber
@bleak jungle hahahahaha are you fucking kidding me?
south token
the real problem is m+
tropic hull
for m+ it's a huge nerf
round wadi
Can u link the Azerite trait changes page plz
bleak jungle
I appreciate those responses. It makes me kek in this time of need
frosty oak
for a 6 minute fight we get 4 full buffed pandemic garrotes correct?
hard plaza
Fact is blizzard have already said they always want ilvl to be the upgrade, I.e people getting 370 wb shoulders and there SS 340 trait shoulders were better was not the approach they wanted.
They will continue to slowly balance over performing traits, potentially to a point where it becomes more of a choice to play X trait because u prefer its playstlyle rather than U HAVE TO PLAY THIS TRAIT AS ITS 60% BETTER THAN ALL OTHERS, same thing will happen to every other class
thorn timber
@frosty oak why are people talking about this like raiding is the only content in the game?
south token
it's an overall damage nerf by about 12-15% in dungeons (if you had 3x shrouded)
thorn timber
who gives a fuck about raiding, you can change your entire spec and gear for every pull
frosty oak
because technically SS wouldn't be the best trait for high m+ keys
scent of blood would be
frail widget
@strange python no they didn’t. Maybe if you’re toxic blade or some shit. But my 340 ss shoulders simmer much higher than my 385
bleak jungle
It's fine to nerf shit like SS.
But they need to FIX the bugs for the trait, and buff under performing traits
thorn timber
holy fuck dude people really don't understand the class at all in here do they
solar summit
So what trait will be best now?
tropic hull
ss not best for m+ ? 🤔
strange python
frosty oak
high m+ keys
zealous dew
speaking of super important traits, no Method stream today ?
frosty oak
where mobs dont die in 20s each
thorn timber
LOL
amber temple
Regarding the pin about he SS nerf - what is the SoB trait he is referring to?
acoustic lion
Alleonn, nothing compared to SS
rich magnet
ss was but sob wasn't far behind in high keys to begin with especially on fortified keys
acoustic lion
in any keys
thorn timber
hahahahahahahaa
nova gorge
Scent of Blood @amber temple
frail widget
And toxic blade
amber temple
Thanks :)
strange python
Nope
thorn timber
"pushing 22s and 24s scent of blood is better than SS" - @frosty oak, week 4 BFA
thorn timber
nothing is "too good" if the alternative is bottom of the barrel
south token
really? 😂
broken fiber
That ww trait nerf though, Any monk mains in chat?
jovial kite
"SS wasnt best in raids" @wheat perch 2k18 ravenholdt #assassination #tc-research
tropic hull
about 370 worse than 340. Why not let people farm 370 good azerite from m+?
thorn timber
like.. why the fuck would you nerf the best trait by 40% and not even consider a 5% buff to some of the worse ones?
this kind of kneejerk balancing is fucking awful for the game
sand whale
I just want to point out
strange python
Are u New?
sand whale
"Note that there are more changes already in the works; this is just a first pass, focused on bringing some of the biggest outliers up (or down) to more acceptable levels."
young oxide
So what rogue spell will everyone play now then? snake eyes?
thorn timber
how can you commit to gearing/playing a class/spec at the highest level when there are GIANT swings in class power literally week by week
frail widget
Because it’s either 5 percent or into the ground. Welcome to the thunder dome bitch
small island
so a buff to bad traits will come in about 4-6 months, just wait guys!
strange python
even tho deadshot is still better than snake eyes
thick jacinth
anyone done the sims?
strange python
so many fotm players in here
thorn timber
dw boys add rogues to the 8.1 "maybe they'll be good" roulette wheel
sand whale
hey I didn't say it was coming soon or it was awesome but crying over 1 nerf
sharp wharf
its not about fotm. its about running around to get traits. at least make them farmable.
thorn timber
can we get "wanting to pull your weight in group content is not being FOTM" pinned?
strange python
rogues are dead
slender smelt
Instead of bitching about a trait why dont we find out which trait is now better? ITS NOT EVEN THAT BIG OF A NERF.
strange python
jump ship
coral meteor
this will solve all of your problems, i have the answer.
subtle tundra
makes me wanna die
strange python
genius
timid grotto
why did they have to nerf SS 
thorn timber
will it solve my problems by literally giving me cancer
strange python
because it needed a nerf
tropic hull
"it's only beta" "it's only prepatch;" "it's only first week"
uneven summit
that talenttree makes me feel uneasy
thorn timber
lol @tropic hull it's worse than that
strange python
Jokes on you
civic palm
You should be in the hospital recovering and not in Discord then!!
strange python
Blindside meta for ghuun
coral meteor
Change w.e you want but blindside and master assassin mand for anti-SS deeps
clear harbor
So sin dead now?
thorn timber
"it's only the fourth week you've spent gearing and grinding on your main before we completely gutted all three of it's specs"
strange python
Very
uneven summit
no
uneven summit
roll feral
strange python
imma roll pally instead
amber temple
Anything actually been simmed yet, lol?
royal lantern
and cry when they get nerfed too
civic palm
ded get out of channel
uneven summit
roll feral, you sure never to be nerfed again
strange python
ded spec
potent raft
With the nerf to SS, do you think Double Dose could rise to power as it only has 9-10% chance to trigger (if my assumptions are correct)
upper shoal
The SS nerf is general right, so it affects pvp also?
royal lantern
*ded class
thorn grove
Or just stay rogue and enjoy your class? 🤔
strange python
Its funny how blizzard managed to nerf ferals in this trait patch
civic palm
@amber temple I've done some short math but have not cared to alter the spellID's and run things myself when I know I can just wait and see.
strange python
wait.. some people play this game to enjoy it? lol no way
im a fotm player and i only play what's best
coral meteor
Alternative, swap KS for dancing steel on Mother and Fetid, but never drop hit and run else the boss will catch u and u will dead 😦
strange python
the thing about ret pallies is, thunderous blast just got fucked
coral meteor
royal lantern
@thorn grove sssshhh...dont people that, just makes sense, but their small fotm brains cant do that and must reroll into wathever class does 1,5%more dps
frail widget
Rogues are fine. It was dumb using my 340 over 385 shoulders. Is it dumb they didn’t buff bad traits? Yeah. But it at least makes the spec able to be tuned in the future without taking into account the trait.
amber temple
Is there any way to see how much damage come from empowered Garrote in the logs?
thorn grove
@royal lantern oh shit sorry
thorn timber
@amber temple people are WAY too reliant on sims these days. it doesn't take much to look at your damage breakdown and subtract a quarter or so of garrote's damage
versed osprey
why does blizzard nerf things by 40 % its like their devs have no knowledge of math at all
coral meteor
I have created these talent trees through sheer feelycraft, which is more powerful than both simcraft and a mother's love for her child combined..
strange python
The devs are actual apes
thorn timber
@civic palm what are you fucking talking about lol
amber temple
@thorn timber But it's not a quater throughout a whole fight tho, right? It's only the first 40 or so seconds?
fresh bough
40% nerfbat just obliterated my azerite
inland path
x3 dd looks juicy
strange python
Indie company btw
coral meteor
small indie company @strange python
fresh bough
Can we get more knee jerk in here pls
inner surge
OI don't turn on each other we are not each other's enemies
civic palm
and they knew that fixed the DMG wouldn't influence M+ enough to matter as the bug 4T empowerment bug could be fixed tomorrow > _>
frail widget
It’s still worth running one tbh. As long as the item level is good. Which they’ve stated is what they want to be king lol
thorn timber
are you seriously trying to suggest that blizzard "did the math" and determined that SS needed a 40% nerf and laser matrix needed a 30% nerf?
versed osprey
cool design azerite time to find the next best trait and start farming
strange python
My bad
potent raft
lmao all the salty tears 😄
coral meteor
You know when summer sales on and you buy shit you never have any intention of playing because you get packs of random fucking games like "Toothpaste island" for $5
this IS one of those games
strange python
@thorn timber Someone suggested here to hit a training dummy up to 5mil dmg and use that for an average of dmg instead. Feels a lot more "real" than seeing a computer doing a perfect sim that no one can replicate anyhow
young oxide
Shuriken sub will prolly be the best now then...
pulsar bluff
well i had only one SS trait and did orange sparks, its all right.. 8)
thorn timber
because they didn't do the math when they fuckin designed them, or deadshot, or anything else they had to nerf/buff by up to FOUR HUNDRED PERCENT
strange python
RIP
civic palm
You mad boi.
west gate
Any new sims up for traits ?
civic palm
Yikes.
sudden brook
i hate when blizzard balances their game
civic palm
Sims should be out and updated tomorrow.
magic plaza
I AM SO MAD
civic palm
Shit on Blizzard for making the game.
frail widget
Seriously. Did u guys wanna have to get all your azurite gear from just your cache forever? Just hope u get lucky and get the right one or you do shit dmg?
civic palm
Shit on Blizzard for fixing the game.
frail widget
This is a good change
civic palm
Shit on Blizzard for not listening.
magic plaza
BLIZZARD I WISH YOU
crisp steppe
blizz has internal sims 🤔
thorn timber
@sudden brook I love it when they balance it, hate it when they fucking nerf shit by ~50% every single week with no compensation
civic palm
Shit on Blizzard for listening.
sand whale
its' 1 nerf
hazy iron
holy shit lol
sand whale
1 week
sand whale
like stop being a drama queen
thorn timber
@civic palm you're such a stan.
timid grotto
they nerfed every single good trait for all rogue specs and the only compensation we got was the bte buff for outlaw
strange python
Ayy
thorn timber
@sand whale uh, are you new here?
civic palm
I've a feeling that Rykhan is literally someone else.
thorn timber
deadshot nerfs?
sand whale
40% nerf?
thorn timber
blade in the shadows nerfs?
sand whale
I count one
subtle tundra
lmao imagine now having to ditch haste and go full mastery with master poisoner and nightstalker 
frail widget
It’s not give and take. It’s balancing
thorn timber
...
rich magnet
@civic palm they also nerfed the best raid trait, and buffed a boring stat proc one
thorn timber
deadshot was 40% you sped
frail widget
Entitled babies lol
civic palm
LM was too high and Archive was too low...
sand whale
like I don' have to say anything to know you're new here so
civic palm
not shocking.
civic palm
We should be happy we actually got looked at while SPriest is still horseshit awful.
sudden brook
yeah passive lasers are so much more fun
prime stirrup
Spriest got buffs last patch. they arent that bad right now
strange python
LM was only good in st
sudden brook
what
civic palm
SPriests need more work now, especially in regards to their traits.
fresh bough
Yeah laser took a hit
strange python
but double dose is for ST, we lost AoE dps with SS nerf -.-
tropic hull
only 30%
crisp steppe
It's like they actually did the math and saw it was 40% ahead > _> oh shit buffing by 40% and nerfing by 40% isn't quite the same
frail widget
@civic palm it’s not like they’re gonna look at a spec everyone already quit lol
civic palm
haha
sonic prawn
Rogue (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator / PvP Talent Calculator)
(Assassination) Shrouded Suffocation: Damage bonus reduced by 40% 😦
versed osprey
this is not a good nerf imo SS at least had fun gameplay interactions if they nerf every trait to be in line i will just pick 3 boring passive dps increases whitout thinking and have 0 incentive to farm azerite as who cares about those traits anyway
thorn timber
@strange python don't worry buddy the entire game is single target raid bosses according to these guys
sudden brook
yeah fun gameplay like tab garrote tab garrote tab garrote
strange python
It is tho
prime stirrup
I got my AOTC tonight while sin was still boss. so whatever. guess its off to sub for mythic prog
thorn timber
compared to mut mut mut mut mut mut mut
tropic hull
poisoned knife traits LET'S GO
thorn timber
yes that is interesting gameplay
fresh bough
We sub now boys
strange python
PB
rich magnet
lol rup aoe is not dog shit
strange python
Carry
frosty oak
all rogue specs: 50% agility nerf next tuesday
sudden brook
my point is saying garrote offered fun gameplay is being dumb
thorn timber
@frigid lagoon idk buddy like i said these guys who do +2's once a week seem to think there isn't a problem so
prime stirrup
rupture right now does dog shit dmg even ST
civic palm
I think this entire channel needs a mute > _>" yikes.
ocean robin
When will the nerfs go live? tomorrow?
sudden brook
it was fun bcuz it was dealing 80% damage on trash packs
strange python
Rupt does no dmg
tropic hull
dog shit because trash not live enough
rich magnet
no traits and it takes a sub dumping all cds to beat and they can't sustain on long trash (high keys)
frail widget
I don’t want ss to be 50 percent better than everything because I don’t want to have to rng my way to absurdly high sims. This makes hearing better and the class easier to balance. They don’t have to take into account an absurd trait that equates more than 14 percent of your damage
hazy iron
🍿 🍿 🍿
amber temple
Honestly I would wait and see what the sims/personal accounts say before the whole channel goes apeshit lol
thorn timber
@sudden brook i mean, it wasn't doing 80% on trash, but it's okay that you never got 3p SS and you want to act like the nerfs are justified
prime stirrup
I have 3ss but run 2ss 1lm right now cause sims are higher
hazy iron
what the fuck is with all the edgy cunts here tonight
thorn timber
i'm just going to equip dumb shit like 370 archive and double dose in three slots and literally mut mut envenom ad infinitum
so
much
fun
broken swift
@thorn timber guy has been drunk in this discord for like 30 minutes
south token
🍿
strange python
Only worth using for energy gain
civic palm
More than 30min
spiral furnace
Is raidbots already updated? I just wanna find best gear atm 😃 not crying about nerfs
frail widget
I have 2 ss and one laser matrix and I somewhat agree with the nerf lol
midnight flower
“You must be shapeless, formless, like water. When you pour water in a cup, it becomes the cup. When you pour water in a bottle, it becomes the bottle. When you pour water in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Water can drip and it can crash. Become like water my friend.” - bruce lee
sharp wharf
this discord is better than netflix.
sand whale
I think he's really triggered by this nerf
sharp wharf
grabs popcorn
broken swift
legit does not even know what hes talking about 90% of the time
versed osprey
i want every trait to be the exact same so i dont have to look at my traits at all and just click first passive proc i see
amber temple
This is twitch chat now lol
civic palm
I think Rykhan is a new account and wants to stir shit.
thorn timber
@broken swift i don't think anyone in here does. seems like a whole bunch of people who "don't have time" to do anything above a +2 or LFR and seem to think their opinions hold water
daring imp
friendship with SS ended, now sharpened blades my best friend
strange python
100% people here have no idea what they are talking about mate
hazy iron
lol troll harder dickhead
stone quartz
!sims
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broken swift
to be fair its almost like people backseat gaming twitchchat
they have no idea what they are talking about
strange python
@hazy iron why u so triggered
civic palm
SIMS will be updated later today.
broken swift
they follow sims like it was a religion
thorn timber
not even sims, they follow feelycraft
hazy iron
double barrelled, baby
hard plaza
blizz need to buff this
versed osprey
rip my exsang arena plays
civic palm
in about 6hours.
amber temple
@stone quartz not updated yet
thorn timber
and if you show them numbers they say "all you care about is FOTM noob play for fun"
hard plaza
can we not all learn from being together
thorn timber
because they don't actually do anything difficult in the game, they just run around doing WQs
crisp steppe
I wish they just nerfed shrouded suffocation in a different way so that it would still be strong on ST. was it really like 67% ahead of the other traits? idk
frail widget
Ss probably still best for m+
civic palm
I don't think it's intended to have SS be good in ST and AoE.
broken swift
wq and mythic 0s and call themselves good
civic palm
_>
viral juniper
will you guys stay with sin after ss nerfs?
broken swift
and have the right to talk about anything
strange python
No
frail widget
Naw I’ll play sub
hazy iron
it'll probably get a compensation buff after next week of mythic to balance it out
strange python
Dead class
versed osprey
so what do we take now 1 ss 2 x double dose that sounds fun and interactive gameplay
amber temple
@viral juniper I'll give it a shot and see how it feels and performs :)
hazy iron
wait, soz, yeah ded spec bois
frail widget
I enjoy more than 40 apm sin anyway
hazy iron
nothing to see here, move on
wide hawk
I noticed the Frenetic Corpuscle trinket got boosted, wonder if it's worth using now. :>
final lagoon
What are you guys planning post SS nerf? I personally will roll 3×Sharpened Blades and Hidden Blades and and pretend to be a knife throwing circus act
strange python
Same
daring imp
^
versed osprey
im thinking of tripple double dose
amber temple
@final lagoon I will wait for the sims and see how that works out
thorn timber
40% nerf to the trait on its own is cumulative across triple stacking the trait so you're even more fucked if you had more SS pieces
civic palm
Especially 3.
thorn timber
It'll be something dumb like 1x archive, 1x dagger, 1x double dose
civic palm
Too wasn't that bad.
icy oar
Reroll of Azeroth
daring imp
well if i'm not gonna use any ss anymore i might as well pick toxic blades and not exsang so i can be even moar braindead 🐢
midnight flower
rip matrix
versed osprey
ye i was using exsang in arenas but dont think its worth it now
thorn timber
and then next week they will buff a sub trait that no one has ever heard of by 400% and the new gameplay will be spamming shuriken storm on single target and only using nightblade to finish
civic palm
Archive probably ain't making much ground still.
frail widget
God no. Don’t run exsang in arena
strange python
Much brain
blissful dune
@versed osprey 
frail widget
Triple twist the knife mfd double envenoms for arena Mp and tb
midnight flower
if blizzard is not busy the could buff the raid trinkets
versed osprey
feelsbad battler feelsbad
tropic hull
no gear swap in m+ and that nerfs.
thorn timber
fingers crossed you don't get a 385 SS piece tomorrow boys
blissful dune
Time to find a new flavour trait
thorn timber
the traits would be much better if they actually gave some warning what they were going to do
so that people could start simming or planning a week in advance instead of literally over night before reset tomorrow
civic palm
I am not sure that would change anything.
blissful dune
Or take a more mild approach
versed osprey
@blissful dune im thinking of running the pvp trait that drops flags on floor and be in the raid as a morale boost
strange python
naw, they gotta change the posistion of the carrot without you knowing
You had all of beta
What are u saying
civic palm
Fucking trait is ahead by 40% and you people wanna act like you didn't play Legion > _>
blissful dune
So did they
thorn timber
lol @frigid lagoon yeah they did but did anyone predict 40% SS nerf 30% laser matrix nerf and NOTHING to compensate?
civic palm
some of you did not, I understand this
Some people predicted 40%, yeah, but not LM/etc.
frail widget
Form rogues
civic palm
I was thinking 20 > _>
violet yew
I also have very strong feelings on the subject
civic palm
Because I was not expecting LM nerf.
crisp steppe
for a 40% nerf to be a proper nerf the trait needs to be ahead by 67%
thorn timber
i don't think it really fixes anything anyway - all that happens is that SS and laser matrix get dumped to the bottom of the bloodmallet chart and you just pick whatever one is at the top now
cinder palm
Did they fix the non subterfuge garrote issue at least? Lol 😃
versed osprey
legion had intresting progression in the artifact weapon BFA has lackluster traits wich im suppose to want but i dont actually do SS actually got me hyped for one second now its back to not caring how is that better ?
thorn timber
constantly nerfing the top trait doesn't fix anything, it just fucks people off and makes them re-gear every week and it isn't fun
civic palm
Empowerment issue might be fixed tomorrow, have to wait and see.
blissful dune
Ye atleast ss had some rotational implications
slender smelt
Does lasrr matrix work outside of uldir??
crisp steppe
@thorn timber agree. would be nice if they just do a proper tuning at once
daring imp
time to run to my item restoration to get scrapped azerite gear ...
civic palm
Nah it's been directly reported since last week.
thorn timber
they listen to speds on reddit complaining too much
frail widget
Regear? If you got rid of your azurite gear you clearly don’t know blizzard rofl
civic palm
or MMOs.
sinful lotus
I know Sims aren't up yet, but in the interest of farming some pieces from M0 before EU reset, outside of Uldir, predictions are that SB and DD will be worth picking up instead of 3x SS? Maybe 1 or 2SS and 1 DD or 1 SB? How would that work?
strange python
Or here
thorn timber
i haven't scrapped a single piece of azerite gear since launch, nice try though
civic palm
or saw the chart with 1 trait leading by too much.
thorn timber
have you ever reforged a couple sets of azerite gear? i have guildies spending 80k+ per reroll so I'm getting kinda sick of kneejerk wild nerfs
frail widget
Well at least I get to wear my fatty 385 shouldies now
spiral furnace
Scent of Blood is actually really good to have on m+. Do you know if it stacks 100%?
vivid bone
80k?? it resets every 3 days innit
uneven summit
will archive be desireable?
versed osprey
at least vanish wont be a dps cooldown now in arenas i can use it deffencively now
civic palm
SS/Scent are probable winners for M+ still.,
thorn timber
no, scent of blood is not good in m+, cut that bullshit
vivid bone
why would you reforge that armor so many times lol
civic palm
Scent catching ground with the nerf.
thorn timber
and it doesn't reset, it halves
warm parcel
Maybe their internal rotation never used vanish
blissful dune
Wew
civic palm
Who knows.
warm parcel
So SS only procced once
warm parcel
versed osprey
scent is garbage
severe osprey
i'm going utility rogue , with stand as one to buff DH
strange python
No you are
thorn timber
our raid lead is a druid and his raid traits are garbage in m+/vice versa
frail widget
Rogue is utility by definition lol
daring imp
@thorn timber what do you mean it doesn't reset, it halves? the scent of blood?
vivid bone
no no the trait reforge cost
thorn timber
@daring imp the cost of azerite reforge
daring imp
oh nvm
thorn timber
scent of blood is garbage because you only keep up three ruptures on any given pack
wheat bobcat
We donezo bois
supple pagoda
how come sub rogues are shitting so much on assassination rogues, did they do the same to sub when they got nerfed lol?
frail widget
I mean I am sin
thorn timber
i've explained a couple of times @strange python but
spiral furnace
What else should you go for in m+ if not scent oô
daring imp
many were tired of being behind
frail widget
Just had this flair a while
warm parcel
Only keep 3 rupture?
fresh bough
Did you see how much it cost whazz to respec on his stream last night
daring imp
now this will put things back to somewhat ab alanced scenario @supple pagoda
warm parcel
According to what feelcraft
warm parcel
fresh bough
Lmao
blissful dune
I vomit out ruptures usually
civic palm
Weak this has been bad for hours O _O
thorn timber
@warm parcel according to every single sim ever
warm parcel
?!?
versed osprey
even if you do scent is just a lackluster stat increase
warm parcel
Post me one
coral meteor
It costs Whazz like 20 euros to respec atm @fresh bough
strange python
naw ive read what you said, it still just does not make sense
versed osprey
how is that intresting
coral meteor
to put things into a more lulzworthy perspective
thorn timber
please tell me you aren't tab targetting every mob in a pull to rupture them lmao
versed osprey
you are suppose to keep up ruptures anyway
fresh bough
blissful dune
Its not interestinf but it is what it is
warm parcel
Why would I not?
thorn timber
because it's a dps loss? lol
versed osprey
rykhan with the knowledge bombs
thorn timber
uh
lofty junco
"Shrouded Suffocation (Assassination) damage bonus reduced by 40%."
wow very nice blizzard.....
warm parcel
Good to know for next week
thorn timber
@daring imp who said anything about mutilate lmao
blissful dune
If i can finish every other global id say keeping a lot of rups up is fine
versed osprey
idd
daring imp
i'm just asking which other knowledge greatness you can give us
vivid bone
how is it a dps loss btw
uneven summit
mutilate on 5+ targets is bis
civic palm
He's a shitty troll it's not.
strange python
Jeez everyone are still crying about SS nerf but u want it still use in m+/raid as only good AoE trait
daring imp
thinking ahead
sudden brook
CRIMSON TEMPEST LUL
zealous sable
Guys I hope you aren't attacking the mobs. its a dps loss compared to looking at them
sinful lotus
I know Sims aren't up yet, but given nerfs to Uldir stuff and SS, are DD and SB worth stacking/picking up (Hypothetically)?
vivid bone
Ah thanks Mize
daring imp
yea i also know you don't spam crimson tempest all the time or you got no energy ticking back m8
slender smelt
Mateeee this discord has gone to shit. All you back seat gamers are a bunch of little b****s. Grow up
vivid bone
I was genuinely confused
civic palm
@vivid bone Just look at his post history, 100% garbage.
thorn timber
yes, @daring imp, you don't spam crimson tempest all the time, good observation
daring imp
thank you, i'm known to do some of those
dapper moat
Tried to look older posts did not find any leak, so asking whats this all talk about ss getting nerfed? 😊
hazy iron
lool
sand whale
only 3 ruptures? boy I wonder what SoB does
thorn timber
three ruptures gives you enough energy to keep 100% envenom uptime while FoK
blissful dune
Just poison bomb 
thorn timber
LOL who the fuck traits scent of blood guys are you serious
uneven summit
Hidden Blades
versed osprey
this backseat gamer term is really anoying using it doesnt make you cool its just akward
daring imp
1 rupture = 7 energy per 1.8s with 10% haste
3 rupture = 21 energy per 1.8s with 10% haste
slender smelt
Its true.
daring imp
as far as i know, fok is about 35'ish
radiant locust
it's my lunch break but I don't wanna go, this rykhan troll is hilarious
strange python
people just wanna act cool on the internet
vivid bone
10% is a bit low tho
daring imp
this math doesn't hold
blissful dune
- base regen and 3 garrotes up