#assassination | Ravenholdt | Page 3018

inland path Sep 17, 2018, 2:36 PM

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ok well its basically 14000

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but still

strange python Sep 17, 2018, 2:36 PM

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Wow i wish i had known that last night

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On ghuun

inland path Sep 17, 2018, 2:36 PM

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dont get how ppl at 361 can be close to 15k

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 2:37 PM

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maybe theyre playing troll

wise whale Sep 17, 2018, 2:37 PM

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is it possible to do 6 ss gar on ghuun? i think the tentacles are to far apart

inland path Sep 17, 2018, 2:37 PM

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ah

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yeah

edgy latch Sep 17, 2018, 2:37 PM

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it is

inland path Sep 17, 2018, 2:37 PM

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thatsa point

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 2:37 PM

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its possible

inland path Sep 17, 2018, 2:37 PM

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troll is mental rn for exs

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 2:37 PM

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but hard

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If you get enough pulls i think it gets easy though

edgy latch Sep 17, 2018, 2:37 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/491240062453809182/unknown.png

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heres my opener on ghuun

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cant link cause private logs

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works fine

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if tank stacks dark young at right eyes

wise whale Sep 17, 2018, 2:38 PM

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i think i will try 3 on pull and 2 with the first vanish at first

edgy latch Sep 17, 2018, 2:38 PM

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so you can grab buff

wise whale Sep 17, 2018, 2:38 PM

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should be enough damage

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 2:38 PM

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thats fine too

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But this is optimal

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I think

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Only bad thing about it is

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Your last 3 garrotes dont get much duration off

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since most other dps will be going those 3

tough violet Sep 17, 2018, 2:38 PM

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Does garrote refresh duration like rupture? ie if you have a few seconds left and use it, it appends the duration

prime void Sep 17, 2018, 2:38 PM

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yes

edgy latch Sep 17, 2018, 2:38 PM

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yes theres pandemic on garrote

prime void Sep 17, 2018, 2:38 PM

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it's called pandemic

edgy latch Sep 17, 2018, 2:39 PM

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but dont refresh if its empowered garrotes

silver egret Sep 17, 2018, 2:39 PM

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fyi you can sim reorigination array on raidbots now. dunno when that was implemented but you can set it to whatever number of stacks you want

tough violet Sep 17, 2018, 2:39 PM

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Thanks

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 2:39 PM

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Gonna jack those stacks up

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all the way

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gimme gimme

tough violet Sep 17, 2018, 2:40 PM

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When you can open garrote on 3 targets do you end up wasting CP or is there time for rupture in between

silver egret Sep 17, 2018, 2:40 PM

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you overcap cps

wise whale Sep 17, 2018, 2:40 PM

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waste cp

edgy latch Sep 17, 2018, 2:40 PM

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i wasted cp's in my opener

silver egret Sep 17, 2018, 2:40 PM

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but its worth it

tough violet Sep 17, 2018, 2:40 PM

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Can you get at least one rupture?

silver egret Sep 17, 2018, 2:40 PM

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no

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you get 3 gcds

edgy latch Sep 17, 2018, 2:40 PM

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getting the first rupture is VERY tight though

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in ghuun opener

tough violet Sep 17, 2018, 2:40 PM

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Ok

wise whale Sep 17, 2018, 2:40 PM

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damn exeo how do you burst 67k on ghuun beam phase

silver egret Sep 17, 2018, 2:41 PM

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er, 3 abilities, rather

edgy latch Sep 17, 2018, 2:41 PM

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if you want to grab buff

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 2:41 PM

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@wise whale you mean the normal run?

strange python Sep 17, 2018, 2:41 PM

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uhh

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would you go pb or ct on motherlode?

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 2:41 PM

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I burst 90k on fetid

wise whale Sep 17, 2018, 2:41 PM

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yes

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 2:41 PM

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I just use my cd's

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lol

strange python Sep 17, 2018, 2:41 PM

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im thinking pb?

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 2:41 PM

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no

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go ct

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100%

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even on tyrannical

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Big pulls and easy bosses

strange python Sep 17, 2018, 2:41 PM

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hmm

restive harness Sep 17, 2018, 2:42 PM

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I want your logs exeo.. I believe I will be enlightend

strange python Sep 17, 2018, 2:42 PM

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we have double arms warrior

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dont think we need more aoe

edgy latch Sep 17, 2018, 2:42 PM

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rl didnt want to put me in bl orb soak for zekvoz

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 2:42 PM

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Im not doing the optimal rotation

edgy latch Sep 17, 2018, 2:42 PM

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i convinced him though

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📎 unknown.png

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 2:42 PM

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Since i learned a new one

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But i can link

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https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/kz9QJ4pNBHPGXWrw

restive harness Sep 17, 2018, 2:42 PM

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thx

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new one?

white pumice Sep 17, 2018, 2:42 PM

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350 gale over 310 dices right?

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 2:43 PM

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Its better to spam cd's than to wait for then to align

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vanish/vendetta should always be paired

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but all other

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mainly exsang and trinket

wise whale Sep 17, 2018, 2:43 PM

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are you believing in that ? since you are performing 99% with your old rota?

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 2:43 PM

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https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/cjALkHvGW1X9Dmqg

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Last half of logs

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Yeah i belieeve its better

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Since people performing 100% are doing it

silk sundial Sep 17, 2018, 2:44 PM

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@onyx wind what kind of ep uptime do you normally have? Should you aim for 90+% with good energy management?

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 2:44 PM

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I dont really have stats on that anymore

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I just clip them

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As best as possible

silk jolt Sep 17, 2018, 2:44 PM

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you say vanish/vendetta should always be paired

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 2:44 PM

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@edgy latch did you catch a ball right before vanish?

silk jolt Sep 17, 2018, 2:44 PM

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but dont you vendetta on pull?

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 2:45 PM

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which boss?

edgy latch Sep 17, 2018, 2:45 PM

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popped everything after orb

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incl vanish

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 2:45 PM

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❤

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love that

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super brutal

edgy latch Sep 17, 2018, 2:45 PM

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rl put me in lowest prio for orb soaks at first

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fucking idiot

cold zodiac Sep 17, 2018, 2:45 PM

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You used to pool energy before casting envenom if you already had an evenom buff is that still a thing?

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 2:45 PM

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esp around that time. when your stuff is back around

edgy latch Sep 17, 2018, 2:46 PM

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ya, cd's line up perfectly for mythic zek

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 2:46 PM

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📎 unknown.png

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Just take orb

cold zodiac Sep 17, 2018, 2:46 PM

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If <140 energy and Envenom up hold CP until one of them becomes false then envenom

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 2:46 PM

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even if u get assigned or not

edgy latch Sep 17, 2018, 2:46 PM

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yea, that's a way to get benched

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and fuck up orb prio

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we fight for the orb on hc though

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 2:46 PM

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I just say

edgy latch Sep 17, 2018, 2:46 PM

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for those SICK PARSES

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 2:46 PM

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gtfo

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 2:46 PM

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📎 unknown.png

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 2:46 PM

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and they move

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 2:46 PM

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normal, but same thing

edgy latch Sep 17, 2018, 2:46 PM

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we do locks > rogues > boomkins now

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didnt get him down though

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3%

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 2:47 PM

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my locks

edgy latch Sep 17, 2018, 2:47 PM

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tilted

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 2:47 PM

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aree demon

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HAHAHAH

edgy latch Sep 17, 2018, 2:47 PM

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wtf

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bench them

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 2:47 PM

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lock chaos bolt?

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 2:48 PM

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we cant

warm cove Sep 17, 2018, 2:48 PM

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why are random secondaries performing better than 2x heed my call for me

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 2:48 PM

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our rangeed roster sucks

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fetid

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how do i burst more on 50% increase

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than 100%

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 2:48 PM

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def wasnt poison bomb

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look at that sliver

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lol ----

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lol at that orange

edgy latch Sep 17, 2018, 2:49 PM

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our 3% wipe

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 2:49 PM

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HB during vendetta post exang has got to be better than that.

edgy latch Sep 17, 2018, 2:49 PM

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didnt give me orb in bl

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feelsbadman

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 2:49 PM

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poison bomb is trolling me

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like always

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I would like to raid mythic

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but no time : (

edgy latch Sep 17, 2018, 2:50 PM

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several guilds doing 1-3/days week

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 2:50 PM

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flex roster or nothing.

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 2:50 PM

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Doing 2 days atm

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But we havent cleared hc

edgy latch Sep 17, 2018, 2:50 PM

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theres a top 100 guild doing 2 days

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 2:50 PM

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lol

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 2:51 PM

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/played 20 days in bfa prob

edgy latch Sep 17, 2018, 2:51 PM

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we're aiming for top 200 with 3 days

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we're on 300-400 atm though

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 2:51 PM

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Only good guilds on my server are 4-5 days

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also cba looking for a guild

edgy latch Sep 17, 2018, 2:52 PM

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cba not raiding mythic ytho ,

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mythic raiding is pretty much the only fun thing to do in wow atm

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 2:52 PM

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Mostly i get bored by mythic

edgy latch Sep 17, 2018, 2:52 PM

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imo

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 2:52 PM

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cba raiding mythic. lol

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bench is dumb.

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 2:52 PM

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The feeling of getting held back

hushed turtle Sep 17, 2018, 2:52 PM

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cba?\

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 2:52 PM

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is a lot higher on mythic

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than on HC

hard plaza Sep 17, 2018, 2:52 PM

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dunno when your wiping on hoeric

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 2:52 PM

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Im not gonna sit 3 hours on a boss becausee people are bad

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 2:53 PM

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📎 unknown.png

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 2:53 PM

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wiping on hc is fun atleast

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since i can fuck around

edgy latch Sep 17, 2018, 2:53 PM

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wtf

hard plaza Sep 17, 2018, 2:53 PM

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lol

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 2:53 PM

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Already raided mythic once

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Dont like it

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Theres always 4-5 people who suck

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 2:53 PM

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naxx 1 was brutal. too old for that shit.

edgy latch Sep 17, 2018, 2:53 PM

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replace them then

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 2:53 PM

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heroic is plenty. flex is better than epeen.

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 2:54 PM

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cba tryharding when theere are people getting carried

edgy latch Sep 17, 2018, 2:54 PM

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there's something wrong with the management of the guild if people are getting carried

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 2:54 PM

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Not really

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 2:54 PM

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probably

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 2:54 PM

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There are a lot of bad people

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Not enough good ones

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 2:54 PM

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but managing guilds sucks.

wooden island Sep 17, 2018, 2:54 PM

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it is also easier to see others mistakes over yourown

edgy latch Sep 17, 2018, 2:54 PM

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yes, but what are they doing in your guild?

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They should not pass the trial process if theyre bad

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 2:55 PM

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But there aint enough people

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So they get a pass

opaque grotto Sep 17, 2018, 2:55 PM

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Half the people in my guild suck massive ass

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Got CE tho

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For argus

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EZ clap

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 2:55 PM

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So instead i just focus on m+

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and raid oncee in a while

prime void Sep 17, 2018, 2:55 PM

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Last week CE ?

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Or like early CE

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 2:55 PM

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neither matters

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Lol

opaque grotto Sep 17, 2018, 2:55 PM

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Very late CE

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 2:55 PM

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Cause fucking nerd points.

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har har har.

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 2:56 PM

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So i dont have to tilt my ass off

prime void Sep 17, 2018, 2:56 PM

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Because post Nerf is pretty free CE in terms of discussing how many "shit" players you can have

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 2:56 PM

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Maybe i have too high expectations for people

outer yacht Sep 17, 2018, 2:56 PM

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!wa

prisma monolithBOT Sep 17, 2018, 2:56 PM

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Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 2:56 PM

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Thats not a maybe, thats a definetely

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 2:56 PM

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put it on your cv for job app tho. CE pre nerf for Legion Nighthold.

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 2:56 PM

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lol

edgy latch Sep 17, 2018, 2:57 PM

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But what you're saying is that you hate being challenged by hard content?

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And just prefer to stomp hc

opaque grotto Sep 17, 2018, 2:57 PM

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My rogue is stuck gear-wise

hushed turtle Sep 17, 2018, 2:57 PM

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To each his own though, if your guild/server isnt able to find 20 solid people, maybe its time to find another guild/server but then again, if u could care less about doing mythic then so be it

opaque grotto Sep 17, 2018, 2:57 PM

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3 340 azerite pieces

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Yikes

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 2:57 PM

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Not reeally

hushed turtle Sep 17, 2018, 2:57 PM

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I just dont find heroic all that challenging

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 2:57 PM

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I dont like being challenged by my shit raid grp

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I like doing high m+

opaque grotto Sep 17, 2018, 2:57 PM

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Find a different guild then

edgy latch Sep 17, 2018, 2:58 PM

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its not that hard

opaque grotto Sep 17, 2018, 2:58 PM

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Plenty of 2 a week mythic guilds

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My guild raids 2 nigts

hushed turtle Sep 17, 2018, 2:58 PM

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yea

opaque grotto Sep 17, 2018, 2:58 PM

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Nights

hushed turtle Sep 17, 2018, 2:58 PM

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ours 2

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 2:58 PM

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Ay youre right

edgy latch Sep 17, 2018, 2:58 PM

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We kicked most of our trials that we recruited during bfa release

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because they sucked ass

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The roster is very stable now

opaque grotto Sep 17, 2018, 2:58 PM

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Yea my guild has like 35 raiders

edgy latch Sep 17, 2018, 2:58 PM

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Everyone makes mistakes and causes wipes now and then

opaque grotto Sep 17, 2018, 2:59 PM

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Lots of salty kids not getting spots

hazy sphinx Sep 17, 2018, 2:59 PM

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man

hushed turtle Sep 17, 2018, 2:59 PM

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But competition makes people better or the people unwilling to improve leave

opaque grotto Sep 17, 2018, 2:59 PM

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We clear heroic with 30 people

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 2:59 PM

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I dont really have a problem performing, ever

opaque grotto Sep 17, 2018, 2:59 PM

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Let me tell you

hazy sphinx Sep 17, 2018, 2:59 PM

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how the fuck do you kill a damn ret paladin

opaque grotto Sep 17, 2018, 2:59 PM

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It was aids

edgy latch Sep 17, 2018, 2:59 PM

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exeo that's because you're playing hc

hushed turtle Sep 17, 2018, 2:59 PM

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You wait out their bubbles lol

edgy latch Sep 17, 2018, 2:59 PM

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every fuckup in hc is fixable

hushed turtle Sep 17, 2018, 2:59 PM

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and survive

hazy sphinx Sep 17, 2018, 2:59 PM

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2 bubbles

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 2:59 PM

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I just dont really like getting held back

hazy sphinx Sep 17, 2018, 2:59 PM

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and a damn lay on hands

opaque grotto Sep 17, 2018, 3:00 PM

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You’re holding yourself back at this point

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 3:00 PM

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@edgy latch exactly

prime void Sep 17, 2018, 3:00 PM

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You don't like being held back, yet your mentality holds you back

clear zinc Sep 17, 2018, 3:00 PM

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Yo exeo can you tell us more about how good u are, I'm getting into it

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 3:00 PM

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in mythic i would be stuck on thee same boss for 3hrs

prime void Sep 17, 2018, 3:00 PM

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Yourself back*

wooden island Sep 17, 2018, 3:00 PM

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im gona have to agree with junglepoof here i will never find the right guild

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'if u never try

hushed turtle Sep 17, 2018, 3:00 PM

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The app to a high end 2 day guild where ur the one holding back "if your as good as you think you are" itll be ez peezy

opaque grotto Sep 17, 2018, 3:00 PM

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3 hours of prog on a hard boss isn’t that bad lmfao

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What dude

edgy latch Sep 17, 2018, 3:00 PM

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That's the point of mythic

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Learning a bossfight

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And to execute the strat properly

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 3:01 PM

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I agree

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Its not bad on a hard boss

hushed turtle Sep 17, 2018, 3:01 PM

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I remeber the days where 300 pulls per kill was light

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 3:01 PM

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But on an easy boss

wooden island Sep 17, 2018, 3:01 PM

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pre nerf lich king

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 3:01 PM

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Ive raided mythic before

wooden island Sep 17, 2018, 3:01 PM

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25 man hc

prime void Sep 17, 2018, 3:01 PM

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Argus = 600 pulls

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Sigh

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Agg took us 60 tho. Big thunk

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 3:02 PM

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Where do you look for guilds

hushed turtle Sep 17, 2018, 3:02 PM

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Also fight lengths these days arent bad

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 3:02 PM

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wowprogress?

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idk nowadays

opaque grotto Sep 17, 2018, 3:02 PM

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We got stuck on that snake bitch in TOS forever

hushed turtle Sep 17, 2018, 3:02 PM

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old fights that were 15min+ before the wipe

oblique kindle Sep 17, 2018, 3:02 PM

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How much %dmg increase is for example 100 agility?

opaque grotto Sep 17, 2018, 3:02 PM

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Mistress?

novel lake Sep 17, 2018, 3:02 PM

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what enchants do you guys go for ?

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crit / mastery ?

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 3:02 PM

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crit/haste/mastery

wheat zealot Sep 17, 2018, 3:02 PM

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simself

novel lake Sep 17, 2018, 3:02 PM

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for weapon

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ok

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 3:02 PM

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Why would he sim himself to find out what stats weere going for

spice surge Sep 17, 2018, 3:02 PM

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Dont use two of the same though

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For weapon

hushed turtle Sep 17, 2018, 3:02 PM

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Based on my stat weights, 100 agi = about 180 dps so 1.5%?

spice surge Sep 17, 2018, 3:02 PM

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They dont stack fully

wheat zealot Sep 17, 2018, 3:02 PM

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Sim what enchants are best

novel lake Sep 17, 2018, 3:02 PM

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ok

wheat zealot Sep 17, 2018, 3:03 PM

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OMEGALUL

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Wym how?

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Its not hard

novel lake Sep 17, 2018, 3:03 PM

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and that agi gem is still better than any of the others ? right ?

spice surge Sep 17, 2018, 3:03 PM

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Maybe

hushed turtle Sep 17, 2018, 3:03 PM

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Haste is sometimes better for sin

steep citrus Sep 17, 2018, 3:03 PM

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guess what they're going to tell you

spice surge Sep 17, 2018, 3:03 PM

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Simyoself

oblique kindle Sep 17, 2018, 3:03 PM

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Pwnyride - thanks!

astral shadow Sep 17, 2018, 3:03 PM

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hello sneaky bois, DK main thinking to roll a rogue here, I checked the guides and assassination seems the easiest spec to pick up, but seems like it has a lot of downtime. Is the spec really slow?

hushed turtle Sep 17, 2018, 3:03 PM

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My stat weights still have haste as better than agi

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 3:03 PM

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Haste is better than agi for me

novel lake Sep 17, 2018, 3:03 PM

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oh really?

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haha ok

hushed turtle Sep 17, 2018, 3:03 PM

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2.12 haste 1.86 agi

novel lake Sep 17, 2018, 3:03 PM

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let me simmyself !

brisk forge Sep 17, 2018, 3:03 PM

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Same herw

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Here

edgy latch Sep 17, 2018, 3:03 PM

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@astral shadow is slow as shit

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but its good as shit as well

hushed turtle Sep 17, 2018, 3:03 PM

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And im at like 1250 haste in raid

ebon prism Sep 17, 2018, 3:04 PM

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Is anyone here swapping between outlaw or sub for diff hc bosses? Or just trying to outperform as sin?

edgy latch Sep 17, 2018, 3:04 PM

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i fall asleep playing it, but i top meters though

ebon prism Sep 17, 2018, 3:04 PM

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Is anyone here swapping between outlaw or sub for diff hc bosses? Or just trying to outperform as sin?

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 3:04 PM

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Useed to swap between sub and sin

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now im just sin on all bossees

edgy latch Sep 17, 2018, 3:04 PM

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@ebon prism so sub on zul

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its way too good on that fight

astral shadow Sep 17, 2018, 3:04 PM

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guess I'll go with sub/outlaw then, enormous downtime is what's driving me mad on frost in the first place

hushed turtle Sep 17, 2018, 3:04 PM

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I decided to go full Sin last night vs our other rogue who swaps betweeen sub and outlaw. Im seeming doing really well as sin

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 3:04 PM

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outlaw

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is garbagee

edgy latch Sep 17, 2018, 3:05 PM

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i go sin for every fight except zul

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 3:05 PM

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getting to play sub on mythic zul would be sweet

ebon prism Sep 17, 2018, 3:05 PM

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Yah I don't play outlaw at all. Played sin all legion, then sub for beginning of BFA, now I can swap between the 2. I'll do the same - sin on all and sub for zul

novel lake Sep 17, 2018, 3:05 PM

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mine is agi 2.01 and haste 1.91 3 minute patchwerk 1 boss

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strange that it is so different than yours @hushed turtle

primal sigil Sep 17, 2018, 3:06 PM

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does anyone have a screen cap of the opener with TB like someone posted for exsan

novel lake Sep 17, 2018, 3:06 PM

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i'm only going outlaw for ghuun

trim bobcat Sep 17, 2018, 3:06 PM

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how strong is troll with ss actually? thinking about racechanging troll (370 galecaller's so the opener would be even more broken), but worried about spending $20 for a 1-2% dps gain just for it to be nerfed

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 3:06 PM

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what

edgy latch Sep 17, 2018, 3:06 PM

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garr rup garr vend tb

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 3:06 PM

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isnt assa bis for ghuun

edgy latch Sep 17, 2018, 3:06 PM

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is opener

hushed turtle Sep 17, 2018, 3:06 PM

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Well good @novel lake this is why we sim, everyone is slightly different

novel lake Sep 17, 2018, 3:07 PM

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well, running ^^^

edgy latch Sep 17, 2018, 3:07 PM

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with tb

hard plaza Sep 17, 2018, 3:07 PM

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surely go sin for ghuun multi dot everything pad the fuck out the meetings ^^

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meters*

novel lake Sep 17, 2018, 3:07 PM

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ye, i'm runner at ghuun and that hook is just incredible good

hard plaza Sep 17, 2018, 3:07 PM

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ah

edgy latch Sep 17, 2018, 3:07 PM

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@novel lake sin is a lot better than outlaw for ghuun

steep citrus Sep 17, 2018, 3:07 PM

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i pad my meetings too. guys, if we stretch this out for 15 minutes longer we can just go home after

edgy latch Sep 17, 2018, 3:07 PM

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ghuun is sin paradise

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multidot into pure st

hushed turtle Sep 17, 2018, 3:07 PM

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get someone to clear cyst and runn down the thing, Lock portal then step to them

hard plaza Sep 17, 2018, 3:08 PM

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@steep citrus 😹

novel lake Sep 17, 2018, 3:08 PM

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step instead of hook, hm

ebon prism Sep 17, 2018, 3:08 PM

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@steep citrus roooofl

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 3:08 PM

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tfw were 21 people signed up for mythic

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drama inc

hushed turtle Sep 17, 2018, 3:09 PM

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https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nps2og1kr9K6ZagRjbHL1x

Raidbots

Stat Weights - Pwnyhides - 14,340 DPS - Raidbots

edgy latch Sep 17, 2018, 3:09 PM

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bench the bad guy

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???

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profit

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 3:09 PM

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then wee would bench 10 peoplee

hushed turtle Sep 17, 2018, 3:09 PM

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2.02 haste 1.85 agi

edgy latch Sep 17, 2018, 3:09 PM

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first boss on mythic is a free kill

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 3:09 PM

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aye

edgy latch Sep 17, 2018, 3:09 PM

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its easier than a lot of the hc bosses

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imo

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 3:09 PM

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gonna be pissed if we spend 3 hrs on that guy

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thats a gquit

hushed turtle Sep 17, 2018, 3:09 PM

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hahaha

hard plaza Sep 17, 2018, 3:10 PM

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u might

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it happens 😄

hushed turtle Sep 17, 2018, 3:10 PM

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Yea, we walked in and 3 shot him with a 95th percentile parse as sin

astral shadow Sep 17, 2018, 3:10 PM

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does elaborate planning work dynamically with dots or are there snapshot shenanigans?

edgy latch Sep 17, 2018, 3:10 PM

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we did 40 pulls for mythic mother

hushed turtle Sep 17, 2018, 3:10 PM

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hes really simple

edgy latch Sep 17, 2018, 3:10 PM

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that was facepalm as fuck

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mostly due to beam bug though

ember ermine Sep 17, 2018, 3:10 PM

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i played outlaw for H Zul because I dont have my gear fixed for Sub

static wind Sep 17, 2018, 3:10 PM

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Does Taloc take damage during elevator phase?

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 3:10 PM

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1% dmg yeah

hushed turtle Sep 17, 2018, 3:10 PM

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its dynamic, u wanna keep EP during

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a powerful dot

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afaik

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 3:11 PM

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Gonna snatch a 100% log on taloc

agile quail Sep 17, 2018, 3:11 PM

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So you don't just need it at application?

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 3:11 PM

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Since its late week

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might be possible

vapid oracle Sep 17, 2018, 3:11 PM

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its dynamic

edgy latch Sep 17, 2018, 3:11 PM

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whats your simdps exoa

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 3:11 PM

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I mean mythic is probably fun and all, but in the end, your boss probably super excited that you played 18hrs on Saturday.

edgy latch Sep 17, 2018, 3:11 PM

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exeo*

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 3:12 PM

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think a bit above 15k

edgy latch Sep 17, 2018, 3:12 PM

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yea then its def reachable

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 3:12 PM

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got that m+ farm in before raid

hushed turtle Sep 17, 2018, 3:12 PM

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Straight depends on how often u gotta drop blood

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 3:12 PM

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so i should have better gear than theem

vapid oracle Sep 17, 2018, 3:12 PM

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simming at 14,300 at 365 moon2FEELS

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 3:12 PM

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If i get blood i wipee the raid ofc

ember ermine Sep 17, 2018, 3:12 PM

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@onyx wind we have a bear tank all of his dps parses are 95 or better since bear tanks don't exist xd

hushed turtle Sep 17, 2018, 3:12 PM

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I mean i have gotten it twice during fight and cloaked it both times

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 3:12 PM

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lmao

hushed turtle Sep 17, 2018, 3:12 PM

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to stay on boss

edgy latch Sep 17, 2018, 3:13 PM

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you can clos blood

vapid oracle Sep 17, 2018, 3:13 PM

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yeah you can insta cloak it

edgy latch Sep 17, 2018, 3:13 PM

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http://www.ravenholdt.net/uldir-tips-tricks/

hushed turtle Sep 17, 2018, 3:13 PM

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That happened in my kill, once during upper, once at bottom

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got to negate moving both times

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 3:13 PM

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oh

ember ermine Sep 17, 2018, 3:13 PM

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he got rank 1 parse on h zul exeo

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 3:13 PM

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so if you do it before 1st tick?

hushed turtle Sep 17, 2018, 3:13 PM

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U do it as soon as u see the warning

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yea

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 3:13 PM

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easy

hushed turtle Sep 17, 2018, 3:13 PM

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debuff gone

edgy latch Sep 17, 2018, 3:14 PM

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@ember ermine yea our bear was 100% on mythic zek for like all pulls yesterday

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we private log though

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 3:14 PM

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Wee had a monk healer get a 100% dps

hushed turtle Sep 17, 2018, 3:15 PM

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1700 dps on ghuun got our Hpriest a 99th percentile lol

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 3:15 PM

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hpriest lmao

ember ermine Sep 17, 2018, 3:16 PM

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POGGERS

wheat zealot Sep 17, 2018, 3:17 PM

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Methodjosh going with holy on ghuun

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So not really a meme lmao

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 3:18 PM

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Guess you cant really heal beam as disc

edgy latch Sep 17, 2018, 3:20 PM

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we have a 374 lock talking shit

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he's parsing good

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but his ilvl % is like 15%

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 3:21 PM

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374 holy

strange python Sep 17, 2018, 3:21 PM

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holy damn

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assa on motherlode

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 3:21 PM

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I guess if you raid mythic thats normal

edgy latch Sep 17, 2018, 3:21 PM

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he's farming m+ 24/7

strange python Sep 17, 2018, 3:21 PM

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is a fucking monster

edgy latch Sep 17, 2018, 3:21 PM

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our average is like 365

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lowest being 360

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 3:21 PM

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im lucky with titanforge

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and i got 370

trim bobcat Sep 17, 2018, 3:21 PM

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anybody know what the mag'har variable is for simc addon? trying to compare races in simcraft

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 3:21 PM

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📎 unknown.png

edgy latch Sep 17, 2018, 3:21 PM

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damn

wheat zealot Sep 17, 2018, 3:21 PM

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Yikes

trim bobcat Sep 17, 2018, 3:22 PM

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it didn't like mag'har or mag'har_orc

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 3:22 PM

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makes for a 4min fetid.

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 3:22 PM

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2:30 fetid 😩

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 3:22 PM

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oh god

pine willow Sep 17, 2018, 3:23 PM

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I hit 120 last week, 330 ilvl with 300 daggers and trinket. Any quick suggestions for picking up upgrades? +2 tol?

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 3:24 PM

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do pvp

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 3:24 PM

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2:02 Fetid 🆒

pine willow Sep 17, 2018, 3:24 PM

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PvP?

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 3:24 PM

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yes

pine willow Sep 17, 2018, 3:24 PM

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Arena?

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 3:24 PM

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player veersus player

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yes

mighty venture Sep 17, 2018, 3:24 PM

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Yes, cap conquest

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 3:24 PM

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arena

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 3:24 PM

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free 345 dagger

mighty venture Sep 17, 2018, 3:24 PM

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Plus weekly cache

pine willow Sep 17, 2018, 3:24 PM

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Last I checked it says axe

mighty venture Sep 17, 2018, 3:24 PM

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There's a quest

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It lets you choose between the axe and the dagger

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 3:26 PM

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^_^safe space

pine willow Sep 17, 2018, 3:26 PM

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Anyhow, what's the name of the quest?

mighty venture Sep 17, 2018, 3:26 PM

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Once you cap conquest, you can go to the PvP zone in Zuldazar/Alliance zone

pine willow Sep 17, 2018, 3:27 PM

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I haven't done much PvP outside of random BGs.

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Seems fun though.

mighty venture Sep 17, 2018, 3:27 PM

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It is

mossy hazel Sep 17, 2018, 3:30 PM

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Did you guys end up with different stat priorities going between TB and Exsang builds?

strange python Sep 17, 2018, 3:31 PM

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For me it just went from agi >haste > crit > mast > verse to haste > agi

mossy hazel Sep 17, 2018, 3:31 PM

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Geeze really?

spice surge Sep 17, 2018, 3:31 PM

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Stat prios doesnt really matter though

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Just take whichever piece sims the highest

strange python Sep 17, 2018, 3:32 PM

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Yup

mossy hazel Sep 17, 2018, 3:32 PM

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Right no... I get that...

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 3:32 PM

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haste takes over agi once you swap to exsang

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up to a certain point

mossy hazel Sep 17, 2018, 3:33 PM

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But I wanted to know if exang favored crit or something more than haste. Since I'm geared for 16% haste

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And exang sims lower for me. WAnted to know if it was becasue I wasn't statted correctly

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 3:33 PM

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its all on your current gear

past harbor Sep 17, 2018, 3:33 PM

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what's the quickest way to cap conquest? @onyx wind

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 3:33 PM

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winning

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jk 3's

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 3:33 PM

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lol

mossy hazel Sep 17, 2018, 3:34 PM

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Was there a specific point you guys saw exsang start simming higher?

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 3:34 PM

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no

strange python Sep 17, 2018, 3:35 PM

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I swapped when TB was still simming less than a percent better cause exsang is more fun

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 3:35 PM

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just really depends on what gear you have setup .

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best to just sim

mossy hazel Sep 17, 2018, 3:35 PM

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I mean last time I simmed it, it was like 400dps lower

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So it's not a huge difference

hard plaza Sep 17, 2018, 3:36 PM

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whats the best way to nuke someone in arena?

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as sin

pine willow Sep 17, 2018, 3:36 PM

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As someone that's never done 3s and has no friends....

silver egret Sep 17, 2018, 3:36 PM

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#pvp would prob know better

hard plaza Sep 17, 2018, 3:36 PM

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fair

pine willow Sep 17, 2018, 3:36 PM

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Will do

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 3:36 PM

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@hard plaza full kidney, smoke bomb, pop CDs

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boom

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@mossy hazel 400 dps differnece for TB or for exsang?

mossy hazel Sep 17, 2018, 3:38 PM

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Simming it right now, will let yo uknow

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 3:38 PM

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@mossy hazel 400 is pretty substanstial for this expansion

mossy hazel Sep 17, 2018, 3:38 PM

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https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8Bkt41f3BfYmReNbvgm9i2

Raidbots

Talent Compare - Jecaro - 12,534 DPS - Raidbots

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.01% loss for exsang now

trim bobcat Sep 17, 2018, 3:38 PM

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does anybody know if there's a haste breakpoint where adding more stops being useful? debating troll vs. mag'har race change, not sure if 1.2k haste from galecaller's + 1k from gear/food + lust + 15% from racial runs into diminishing returns

mossy hazel Sep 17, 2018, 3:38 PM

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*0.1

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 3:38 PM

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once you get 2xSS

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Exsang will sim higher

mossy hazel Sep 17, 2018, 3:39 PM

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That's fair. Had to ditch my second SS when I got laser matrix

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 3:39 PM

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2xSS + 1xLaser Matrix is good

mossy hazel Sep 17, 2018, 3:39 PM

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Need a new helm

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 3:39 PM

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been doing work for me

proven ice Sep 17, 2018, 3:39 PM

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Why would SS make esang sim higher?

mossy hazel Sep 17, 2018, 3:39 PM

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Yea I have DD, SS, LM

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 3:40 PM

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@proven ice more dps value out of youre exsang

mossy hazel Sep 17, 2018, 3:40 PM

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Because Garrote ticks harder with SS, and exsang makes ticks go faster

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 3:40 PM

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''Why would SS make esang sim higher''

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 3:40 PM

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??

hard plaza Sep 17, 2018, 3:40 PM

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https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qRHUWy4LoJw5szhLYYUZCR

Raidbots

Talent Compare - Gozumo - 13,371 DPS - Raidbots

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 3:40 PM

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as opposed to twisted knife or knife throw or any other bad trait?

proven ice Sep 17, 2018, 3:40 PM

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But you only get 24 seconds of SS dps every 2 mins regardless of esang or not. And it's not like esang boosts damage.

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 3:40 PM

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o_O

novel lake Sep 17, 2018, 3:41 PM

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!stats

prisma monolithBOT Sep 17, 2018, 3:41 PM

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Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > mastery > vers >= haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 3:41 PM

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Exang allows your SS to overlap other buffs during short durations. like a 10sec use. then also drops off in the opener so you can refresh with vanish gg during vendetta

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you fit more SS overlapping vendetta.

strange python Sep 17, 2018, 3:41 PM

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whats the garrote bug people been talking about?

spice surge Sep 17, 2018, 3:41 PM

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!ss

prisma monolithBOT Sep 17, 2018, 3:41 PM

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Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 3:41 PM

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!ss

prisma monolithBOT Sep 17, 2018, 3:41 PM

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Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

mossy hazel Sep 17, 2018, 3:42 PM

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Little annoyed that SS bug isn't listed in the hotfix for tomorrow..

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Still

desert oyster Sep 17, 2018, 3:42 PM

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Is it possible to have 100% envenom uptime with current gear? I'm at 18% haste and I can't do it

civic forge Sep 17, 2018, 3:42 PM

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why would they fix a bug from an over performing spec?

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 3:42 PM

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non exang opener would be 23 sec + 23 sec. cut that first one in half and you fit it over 11+23 sec. so 11 sec of double tick rate, and then 9 sec of standard.

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on the same 20 sec vendetta

hard plaza Sep 17, 2018, 3:43 PM

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@mossy hazel are patch notes out? couldnt see them

proven ice Sep 17, 2018, 3:43 PM

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That's a good point, esang squishes SS into your vendetta and non-galecaller trinkets.

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 3:43 PM

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no exang doesnt increase dmg values. but by dropping it early, you can refresh early

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that is why it was good in legion with bota/conc

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you could squish a massive NS Rupture in 10 sec over a 6sec bota.

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since gc snaps the exang. you can extend the gc for the whole duration of ss.

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othewise it would be 10sec max. of your 23sec window

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the end.

hollow flicker Sep 17, 2018, 3:45 PM

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after exsang opener and ss falls off...do we immediately vanish and ss or wait for another exsang?

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 3:46 PM

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opener is in the guide

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but we let exang drop then vanish gg

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that keeps your vendetta/vanish about 15 sec apart. you delay vendetta 15 sec to sync them at 220

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@proven ice most effective use would probably be zek vos orbs. is that 10 sec at 100% bonus? wanna rip that asap.

azure bear Sep 17, 2018, 3:48 PM

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what do you guys sim for m+? 40 sec hectic cleave fight?

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 3:48 PM

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6t 40 sec patchwerk no buffs.

hidden merlin Sep 17, 2018, 3:48 PM

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And how so you execute that 2nd vanish ? Do you go ggr again or something else

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 3:49 PM

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ggr exsang

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should be your 2nd vanish

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if you do it right

hidden merlin Sep 17, 2018, 3:49 PM

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Oh ok

azure bear Sep 17, 2018, 3:49 PM

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@lone junco ok, lets see what my sw is with that option. Haste scales so bad with multitarget 😮

novel lake Sep 17, 2018, 3:50 PM

#

how do you guys feel about Doom's Wake ? vs Galecaller ?

spice surge Sep 17, 2018, 3:50 PM

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Galecaller is better if you can stand in it

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Dooms wake/lions guile is very good if you cant stand still

novel lake Sep 17, 2018, 3:51 PM

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hm ok

azure bear Sep 17, 2018, 3:51 PM

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https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/76bSBPaL7MbihHugnbPaPv

Raidbots

Stat Weights - Reishiku - 31,446 DPS - Raidbots

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like that?

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 3:52 PM

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Doom's Wake sims 300 dps lower than my GCB at same lvl @novel lake

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 3:52 PM

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@azure bear that is true

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Fok needs crit

novel lake Sep 17, 2018, 3:52 PM

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i've got doom's wake 370 and galecaller 355

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 3:52 PM

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st is haste > agi >crit
aoe is Crit/mastery

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dooms wake was a huge loss for me.

novel lake Sep 17, 2018, 3:53 PM

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ye, raidbot tells me doom's wake is better

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 3:53 PM

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i didnt test it in aoe tho

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@azure bear I balance 6t 40. no buffs and 1t 2min. with buffs.

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gl.

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I also enjoy 1t 20 results, because in my groups I murder the prio adds.

azure bear Sep 17, 2018, 3:54 PM

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i got a My'das Talisman 370 + socket. i'm so mad about that loot right now 😦

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 3:55 PM

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look at the MH off hand ratio

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📎 unknown.png

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lol

azure bear Sep 17, 2018, 3:55 PM

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haha

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wow

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 3:55 PM

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yeah. garrote is MH. so

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and fok.

azure bear Sep 17, 2018, 3:55 PM

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lets just take that stick in OH and the 2h Sword in the MH

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 3:55 PM

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you dont even mut in that aoe sim

halcyon glacier Sep 17, 2018, 3:55 PM

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how does it even make sense that 1 OH wep dps can be worth less than 1?

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 3:56 PM

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you dont mut ever in cleave.

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so.

azure bear Sep 17, 2018, 3:56 PM

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btw, whats about blademaster specc? stealthed Orcs ontop og

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 3:56 PM

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g g g ct fok fok r fok fok r fok fok env

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all that is main hand only

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you could use a sword if you wanted to

strange python Sep 17, 2018, 3:56 PM

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fok fok 4

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u are ambicious

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if you think you'll get more than 2cp

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 3:56 PM

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i do 2cp ruptures

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so yeah

halcyon glacier Sep 17, 2018, 3:56 PM

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right but i mean even just melee attacking with no spells would give you 1 dps per weapon dps (minus a small amount for misses)

strange python Sep 17, 2018, 3:56 PM

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i dotn

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xd

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 3:57 PM

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in trash cleave

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16 sec is fine

strange python Sep 17, 2018, 3:57 PM

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its about raptures damage too

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 3:57 PM

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@halcyon glacier its a dps gain per stat.

wary temple Sep 17, 2018, 3:57 PM

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@lone junco I feel like my uptime On bleeds are way lower than with tb. Am I doing something wrong with exsang?

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 3:57 PM

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there are gaps after your exang drops.

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you can garrote first or rupture first. the other one waits a second or two

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so unless you clip, they will be lower.

wary temple Sep 17, 2018, 3:58 PM

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Always let them fall when empowered or ss correct?

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 3:58 PM

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correct

novel lake Sep 17, 2018, 3:58 PM

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i'm mainly playing assa, but i'm thinking about going sub for zul

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what traits shall i go for ?

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 3:58 PM

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dont need to replace a 15k 0.6s tick with a 3k 1.8s tick

novel lake Sep 17, 2018, 3:58 PM

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talents and stats?

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 3:59 PM

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#subtlety

wary temple Sep 17, 2018, 3:59 PM

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Should I always delay vendetta if vanish up in 30 seconds?

novel lake Sep 17, 2018, 3:59 PM

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oh gosh, ye

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sry

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xD

primal gazelle Sep 17, 2018, 3:59 PM

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what if theres a 1 sec duration left, you got full combo point and full energy 😛

novel lake Sep 17, 2018, 3:59 PM

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assa thread here xD

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 3:59 PM

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@wary temple u should always line up vanish with vendetta

wary temple Sep 17, 2018, 3:59 PM

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I feel like there’s times when exsang is up, and then vendetta is coming while vanish is coming up in like 35 seconds. Should I delay exsang as well?

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 3:59 PM

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@primal gazelle if you clip 1 sec of ss garrote you will chop off at 15k-25k crit with a 2k 5k crit. guaranteed.

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might refresh rupture early. but not the garrote

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 4:00 PM

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1st and 4th exsang+vendetta+vanish should line up

primal gazelle Sep 17, 2018, 4:00 PM

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oh ok

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 4:00 PM

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2nd and 3rd use on CD as best u can

primal gazelle Sep 17, 2018, 4:00 PM

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good to know

wary temple Sep 17, 2018, 4:00 PM

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Ahh thanks @stuck shuttle

snow seal Sep 17, 2018, 4:00 PM

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Did they fixed the subterfuge bug?
Where when you apply the 4th garrote (unbuffed) the other 3 will lose the buff.

halcyon glacier Sep 17, 2018, 4:00 PM

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!ss

prisma monolithBOT Sep 17, 2018, 4:00 PM

#

Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

wary temple Sep 17, 2018, 4:01 PM

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Last question of mine. When it comes to gale caller. Should I delay anything? Should I delay exsang when gale is up in 5-10 or vice versa

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 4:01 PM

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never delay Gale caller

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you want it line up with vendetta

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and vanish

wary temple Sep 17, 2018, 4:01 PM

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Okay so always on cd no matter what?

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 4:01 PM

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i mean. if you fucked something up

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 4:01 PM

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%

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^

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 4:01 PM

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you need GC to land prior to Exang

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 4:01 PM

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yeah if u fucked up

silk sundial Sep 17, 2018, 4:01 PM

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Is the tool tip with exang bugged? I use elvui and the tick rate stays the same but the total time is halfed according to the tooltip

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 4:02 PM

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you need your exang to AT LEAST clip the last second of GC

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due to snapshot

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specifically at the vendetta vanishes.

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if they are close in rotation

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which is at the 220 mark.

wary temple Sep 17, 2018, 4:02 PM

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Yeah on opener I use gc. Before exsang but second exsang comes up like 10 seconds before gc

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 4:02 PM

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this rotation is confusing post 2:20

wary temple Sep 17, 2018, 4:02 PM

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So I was confused

strange python Sep 17, 2018, 4:03 PM

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2/3 SS-gear now : D got shoulders from pvpv

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 4:03 PM

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yeah post 2:20, you should just play it by ear

strange python Sep 17, 2018, 4:03 PM

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or weekly q maybe

steep citrus Sep 17, 2018, 4:04 PM

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exsang gc snapshot?

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 4:05 PM

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exang snapshots any haste values at the time to establish tick rate

wary temple Sep 17, 2018, 4:05 PM

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Thanks all

steep citrus Sep 17, 2018, 4:06 PM

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are you sure? why would it need to snapshot and the normal ticks wouldn't?

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it's just the same calc as normal, just twice as often

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 4:07 PM

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apparently it calcs tick rates. and rounds to an even number of ticks. then fires that off.

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I didnt make the game.

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knowing that, just make sure lust is before opening exang. and gc is prior to exang. etc.

fresh coyote Sep 17, 2018, 4:08 PM

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hello. Do we macro trinkets with vendetta? (this is for galecallers boon)

steep citrus Sep 17, 2018, 4:08 PM

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so you're saying galecallers popped 1 seconds after exsang is completely wasted?

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i need to see logs for this.

spice surge Sep 17, 2018, 4:08 PM

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Not entirely wasted, but doesnt apply to your bleeds

pine jetty Sep 17, 2018, 4:09 PM

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So the azerite armor chest piece from Fetid. Would you run SS trait or the reorigination trait on it?

hollow stone Sep 17, 2018, 4:09 PM

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Ss

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 4:09 PM

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SS now, maybe the other one in a feew weeks

hollow stone Sep 17, 2018, 4:09 PM

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Get laser matrix helm from mythrax for reorg

steep citrus Sep 17, 2018, 4:09 PM

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yeah, just get it.

pine jetty Sep 17, 2018, 4:09 PM

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for raiding of course

steep citrus Sep 17, 2018, 4:09 PM

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trick to getting bis gear is to just get it

spice surge Sep 17, 2018, 4:09 PM

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SS and have reorg on another piece

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As you cant have ss on those

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 4:10 PM

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yeah. get it from your emmisary purple on the perfect pieces.

pine jetty Sep 17, 2018, 4:10 PM

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so you wouldnt 3 stack SS then with like a Mythic + piece??

steep citrus Sep 17, 2018, 4:10 PM

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also, if you're not having all your gear titanforge, you should start doing that

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protip

spice surge Sep 17, 2018, 4:10 PM

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You would

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Except m+ doesnt drop azerite

hollow stone Sep 17, 2018, 4:10 PM

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And sockets

little sparrow Sep 17, 2018, 4:10 PM

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You guys think running 1x LM and 2x SS is better than 3x SS for raid?

spice surge Sep 17, 2018, 4:10 PM

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So you have to get lucky with your weekly cache

little sparrow Sep 17, 2018, 4:11 PM

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Also hey @lone junco GIMME

pine jetty Sep 17, 2018, 4:11 PM

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cool thanks yall

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 4:11 PM

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@little sparrow it is for the buff alone

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 4:11 PM

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@little sparrow yo

hollow stone Sep 17, 2018, 4:11 PM

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For sure @little sparrow

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 4:11 PM

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📎 saddestbenpirate.png

little sparrow Sep 17, 2018, 4:11 PM

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Lmfao

hollow stone Sep 17, 2018, 4:13 PM

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Thats me irl

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Dont tell everyone tho

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 4:13 PM

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the sad part, the pirate part, or the ben part?

hollow stone Sep 17, 2018, 4:14 PM

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The ben part. Shhh

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 4:14 PM

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lol

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 4:15 PM

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tough luck with jennifer garner tho

earnest tangle Sep 17, 2018, 4:15 PM

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does shrouded suffocation sim lower than it actually is or is it simming properly?

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 4:15 PM

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I believe it is a bit lower in 3T+ cleave

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 4:15 PM

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it should be correct

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 4:15 PM

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st is fine

earnest tangle Sep 17, 2018, 4:16 PM

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ah, cause apparently a small ilvl upgrade with laser matrix is beating it out so I wanted to make sure

high venture Sep 17, 2018, 4:16 PM

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guys why are all the people playing now assasination? i'm outlaw and now im thinking too to change

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 4:16 PM

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actual values for gggct are probably >> the gg r

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 4:16 PM

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@earnest tangle because of the raid buff

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you get in uldir

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you're talking about the Mytrhax helm arent you?

earnest tangle Sep 17, 2018, 4:16 PM

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i thought that buff didn't factor in on sims though

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2 different pieces

wheat zealot Sep 17, 2018, 4:16 PM

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You can add it now

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 4:16 PM

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Laser Matrix is still a good trait regardless

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with or without the buff

spice surge Sep 17, 2018, 4:17 PM

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You can edit how many buffs you have on raidbots

wheat zealot Sep 17, 2018, 4:17 PM

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Theres an option on raidbots for reorigination array. And yeah its okay without it

proven ice Sep 17, 2018, 4:17 PM

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📎 unknown.png

spice surge Sep 17, 2018, 4:17 PM

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^

wheat zealot Sep 17, 2018, 4:17 PM

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But ss is way better outside of raid with no array

proven ice Sep 17, 2018, 4:18 PM

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SS is insane in M+

wheat zealot Sep 17, 2018, 4:18 PM

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For sure

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Anyone else ever have the bug in waycrest manor where you pull stuff in the basement from up top?

primal gazelle Sep 17, 2018, 4:18 PM

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think sin rogue can outdps havoc in m+ or nah?

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 4:19 PM

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I do

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all the time

proven ice Sep 17, 2018, 4:19 PM

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Depends on the key

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Not at low keys

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Their burst aoe is too good

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 4:19 PM

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yeah def need the mobs to live tho

primal gazelle Sep 17, 2018, 4:19 PM

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assuming havoc of equal skill and gear

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 4:19 PM

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yes

opal meadow Sep 17, 2018, 4:19 PM

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do you run TB or exs in higher m+?

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 4:19 PM

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I run exs for M+

hollow stone Sep 17, 2018, 4:19 PM

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They should still beat us in aoe but we are kings of cleave

primal gazelle Sep 17, 2018, 4:20 PM

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would teeming boost our dps more or theirs lol

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 4:20 PM

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good for prio targets

proven ice Sep 17, 2018, 4:20 PM

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I don't have galecaller, so I use TB

primal gazelle Sep 17, 2018, 4:20 PM

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for tuesdays affix

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 4:20 PM

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If a DH and Sin were to go head to head. It probably depends on stealth timing w/r/t fel barrage cd. right?

primal gazelle Sep 17, 2018, 4:20 PM

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eye beam, barrage and bd is fucking OP

hollow stone Sep 17, 2018, 4:20 PM

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And havoc st is poopgarbage comparatively 😃

lone junco Sep 17, 2018, 4:21 PM

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a pack of 3 with felbarrage then a pull of 6 without, but you got a ggg ct vanish ggg

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warrior is my competition

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lord storm

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that mother fucker

primal gazelle Sep 17, 2018, 4:21 PM

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and then the DH aoe those small tentacle adds for 100K burst for the pad

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😦

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in shrine

glass vessel Sep 17, 2018, 4:24 PM

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the sin rogue wil beat out a DH if the trash pulls last longer than ~10sec. DH only has insane burst

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with ggg + tempest out and EP sustaining the dmg gets absurd

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 4:25 PM

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@glass vessel yup thats what I experienced against mages also

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first 10s, their dps is 30k+

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then i pull ahead

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for high lvl M+ trash that is

glass vessel Sep 17, 2018, 4:26 PM

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yep

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also DH ST is not bad at all if they know what they are doing. the roles almost switch in ST. DH sustains well, sin is very front-loaded in m+

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for boss dmg

glad peak Sep 17, 2018, 4:34 PM

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So assination is great for aoe dps at higher keys but will always suck or sort of suck at single target ?

dire drift Sep 17, 2018, 4:34 PM

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Not really done much by way of creating WAs before - how do I go about creating a WA to show when a G is buffed by SS?

alpine garden Sep 17, 2018, 4:35 PM

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I was thinking same, probably a four second timer keyed off state change on stealth

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But not at home to play with it

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 4:37 PM

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@glad peak lol what

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sin is one of the best ST specs out

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since forever

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Only recently have we been THIS good with AoE thanks to SS

steep citrus Sep 17, 2018, 4:39 PM

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why i ss so low on herodamage m+ profile?

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 4:40 PM

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could be the way they setup their APL

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which favors AoE heavy traits

deft locust Sep 17, 2018, 4:41 PM

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it states it

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in tc updates

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that due to chain pulling

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and not allowing restealth

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things like SS

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are undervalued

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 4:41 PM

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ahh

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just for maximized time

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i hate when tanks don't let me stealth

deft locust Sep 17, 2018, 4:42 PM

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yep, super frustrating. Tell me beforehand so I can just swap to outlaw or something 😒

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 4:42 PM

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i get you want to maximize time

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but you're losing more time by not letting me stealth

deft locust Sep 17, 2018, 4:43 PM

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yep, it takes

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like 1 second literally

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of a gap to let us stealth

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 4:43 PM

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always have to let tanks know before the key starts

deft locust Sep 17, 2018, 4:43 PM

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and itdoubles our dps

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that's a good tradeoff

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 4:43 PM

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DH tanks are the worst at it

deft locust Sep 17, 2018, 4:43 PM

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for sure

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 4:43 PM

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so trigger happy with their jumps

deft locust Sep 17, 2018, 4:44 PM

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those are all my tanks

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D:

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 4:44 PM

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lol

brave gyro Sep 17, 2018, 4:44 PM

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That's why I only do M+ with a premade xD

deft locust Sep 17, 2018, 4:44 PM

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whenever my main m+ group runs high keys for the first time, we trial run it and they just chain pull like frekaing crazy

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freaking*

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annoying af

brave gyro Sep 17, 2018, 4:44 PM

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Also, I've noticed, if I tricks pull, tanks usually are more scared to chain pull

deft locust Sep 17, 2018, 4:44 PM

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lmao

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Use the pull against them

brave gyro Sep 17, 2018, 4:45 PM

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📎 reece.jpg

strange python Sep 17, 2018, 4:47 PM

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!wa

prisma monolithBOT Sep 17, 2018, 4:47 PM

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Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

random coyote Sep 17, 2018, 4:47 PM

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Mother mythic and im in first group to give tricks to tank becouse dh keep taking agro. Feelsbadman

strange python Sep 17, 2018, 4:47 PM

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need a new wa, anyone got a recommended one out of the WA's listed

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Has anyone else been getting crap drops like 10 pairs of pants in a row from dungeons and dailies?

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It's kinda gotten annoying

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 4:47 PM

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@random coyote that's your tanks problem not yours

strange python Sep 17, 2018, 4:47 PM

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how important do you reckon Mut threshold markers on energy is

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 4:47 PM

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you're losing more boss damage than anything

marble hemlock Sep 17, 2018, 4:48 PM

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ss on herodamage is so low cause we dont want it to get nerfed, so we just fake results that are worse than they are in reality

vagrant wasp Sep 17, 2018, 4:48 PM

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yesterday I asked a dk tank to give me 1 second between pulls so I could triple my dps and he told me to fuck off

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so I went outlaw for the rest of the day

calm grail Sep 17, 2018, 4:48 PM

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Everyone stop using SS for one day. Speak with your traits.

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Stick it to Blizzard.

strange python Sep 17, 2018, 4:49 PM

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Lol

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How does ss it stacks on every application?

deft locust Sep 17, 2018, 4:49 PM

#

I

strange python Sep 17, 2018, 4:49 PM

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Damage stacks

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CP doesn't

deft locust Sep 17, 2018, 4:49 PM

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would have left that m+

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in the middle of that run

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o_o

strange python Sep 17, 2018, 4:49 PM

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Yeah Neverr

deft locust Sep 17, 2018, 4:49 PM

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@vagrant wasp

strange python Sep 17, 2018, 4:49 PM

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What a tard

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I know that but

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Stealth is so big for SS Sin

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NVM

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Ah okay Fresh, sorry

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What was your question? Can you rephrase it

calm grail Sep 17, 2018, 4:50 PM

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When I'm in m+ sometimes I apply a fourth Garrote so the other DPS don't feel bad.

deft locust Sep 17, 2018, 4:50 PM

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Yeah, if you have a sin you just have to suck it up. You will literally slow the group down by not stealthing

strange python Sep 17, 2018, 4:50 PM

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LOL Nira

deft locust Sep 17, 2018, 4:50 PM

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if people have a prob with that don't invite a sin in the first place

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😒

strange python Sep 17, 2018, 4:50 PM

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No I mean so if we do 3 time the third will have the highest damage?

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Funny how a full leather team is extremely viable in m+

vagrant wasp Sep 17, 2018, 4:50 PM

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i farmed triple snake eyes out of spite

strange python Sep 17, 2018, 4:50 PM

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I guess a ranged leather is hard to fill though

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 4:51 PM

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funny how 3x rogue dps is super viable

strange python Sep 17, 2018, 4:51 PM

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Boomkin isn't the best

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 4:51 PM

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for M+

strange python Sep 17, 2018, 4:51 PM

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True Heck hAHAHAA

calm grail Sep 17, 2018, 4:51 PM

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We run DH,Boomkin,Rogue,BM,MW sometimes.

deft locust Sep 17, 2018, 4:51 PM

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funny how 5x rogue dps is super viable

strange python Sep 17, 2018, 4:51 PM

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But I mean like variety

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 4:51 PM

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boomiee is fine

deft locust Sep 17, 2018, 4:51 PM

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🤔

calm grail Sep 17, 2018, 4:51 PM

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Sometimes we swap out the Demon Hunter with warlock

strange python Sep 17, 2018, 4:51 PM

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Wasn't a top team like

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MW, DH tank, DH dps, 2x rogues

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 4:51 PM

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all u need is 3x Shroud of Concealment

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free M+ timing

calm grail Sep 17, 2018, 4:51 PM

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It's really nice for gear sharing.

deft locust Sep 17, 2018, 4:51 PM

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funny enough

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prolly only take the dh for the aoe stun

strange python Sep 17, 2018, 4:52 PM

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Havoc is stupid strong right now as well

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Nah they do good deeps man

deft locust Sep 17, 2018, 4:52 PM

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They do as good as us, better in burst

hollow stone Sep 17, 2018, 4:52 PM

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We run 2 rogue 3 druid. Dont wven need shroud

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Oh baby

deft locust Sep 17, 2018, 4:52 PM

#

but have little defensive utility

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that

strange python Sep 17, 2018, 4:52 PM

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True

calm grail Sep 17, 2018, 4:52 PM

#

DH does good damage. Probably better than rogue. They just lack utility we have.

deft locust Sep 17, 2018, 4:52 PM

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s scary in high m+

strange python Sep 17, 2018, 4:52 PM

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Yeah I scrape by beating DH most of the time

deft locust Sep 17, 2018, 4:52 PM

#

me and Nira said the same thing to the T

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o_o

strange python Sep 17, 2018, 4:52 PM

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Depends on the fight

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 4:52 PM

#

no way u can beeaet a DH in overall

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next week

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ur gonna get smacked

calm grail Sep 17, 2018, 4:52 PM

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Oh sorry neverr lol

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Wasn't reading your sentence when I was typing line

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Mine*

deft locust Sep 17, 2018, 4:53 PM

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haha oh all good I thought it was funny

strange python Sep 17, 2018, 4:53 PM

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lul

deft locust Sep 17, 2018, 4:53 PM

#

no way we can beat a DH after SS nerfs?

hollow stone Sep 17, 2018, 4:53 PM

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Dh lacks utility he says...

deft locust Sep 17, 2018, 4:53 PM

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Eh, prolly true there

hollow stone Sep 17, 2018, 4:53 PM

#

Darkness op

calm grail Sep 17, 2018, 4:53 PM

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Yeah but if you choose a Demon Hunter then you're not taking a boomkin or a mage or a lock.

hollow stone Sep 17, 2018, 4:53 PM

#

#bringbackpvesmokebomb

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 4:53 PM

#

Next week

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0 casters

#

ur all benched

strange python Sep 17, 2018, 4:53 PM

#

Is SS nerf confirmed???

calm grail Sep 17, 2018, 4:54 PM

#

Next week's affixes?

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 4:54 PM

#

not confirmed but a WoW dev did an AMA on reddit

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 4:54 PM

#

Next week grp is gonna be

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 4:54 PM

#

that alluded to a nerf inc

strange python Sep 17, 2018, 4:54 PM

#

Yeah I heard that Heck

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 4:54 PM

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about OP traits

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and what not

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 4:54 PM

#

hpala, dh tank, dh dps, rogue, fill

calm grail Sep 17, 2018, 4:54 PM

#

It's only really OP on AoE

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 4:54 PM

#

id count SS as an OP trait

calm grail Sep 17, 2018, 4:54 PM

#

ST it seems fine.

deft locust Sep 17, 2018, 4:54 PM

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same~

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 4:54 PM

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its supere OP lol

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its single handedly making assa viable

strange python Sep 17, 2018, 4:54 PM

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Who can take you seriously Exeo you spell like a drunk bostonian at the docks

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 4:54 PM

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My e key is fucked

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 4:55 PM

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lool

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 4:55 PM

#

spamming too much

calm grail Sep 17, 2018, 4:55 PM

#

What affixes exeo?

strange python Sep 17, 2018, 4:55 PM

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"ur all benched"

deft locust Sep 17, 2018, 4:55 PM

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mechanical keyboard?

bleak jungle Sep 17, 2018, 4:55 PM

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Assassin just got above the other two specs finally, and now we eat the nerf hammer 😑

strange python Sep 17, 2018, 4:55 PM

#

no e there

hollow stone Sep 17, 2018, 4:55 PM

#

The problem w ss is that in raid it keeps us competitive but in m+ all the re's make it soooo good

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 4:55 PM

#

what

deft locust Sep 17, 2018, 4:55 PM

#

nadem.. there's an e in benched

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two e's

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o_o

strange python Sep 17, 2018, 4:55 PM

#

What I mean is

#

He didn't mispell on a word with an e

deft locust Sep 17, 2018, 4:55 PM

#

ah

#

fair enough

#

lol

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 4:55 PM

#

?

strange python Sep 17, 2018, 4:55 PM

#

Don't worry lad

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 4:55 PM

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Yeeah im lying about my keyboard dude

#

the fuck out

strange python Sep 17, 2018, 4:56 PM

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Not what I'm saying but never mind

#

Bad word!

deft locust Sep 17, 2018, 4:56 PM

#

Yeah @hollow stone SS in raids is... actually not that ridiculously strong

spice surge Sep 17, 2018, 4:56 PM

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SS isnt what makes assa good in raids fellas. There are lots of top50 logs without 3SS, even a couple without SS at all

deft locust Sep 17, 2018, 4:56 PM

#

it's SS in m+

strange python Sep 17, 2018, 4:56 PM

#

Yeah SS is strong in m+

bleak jungle Sep 17, 2018, 4:56 PM

#

SS in raids is what keeps us up there though

strange python Sep 17, 2018, 4:56 PM

#

In raids it's really good

#

Yeah true

simple meteor Sep 17, 2018, 4:56 PM

#

SS nerfs coming this reset ?

strange python Sep 17, 2018, 4:56 PM

#

We'll drop to middling levels with SS nerf

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No idea

calm grail Sep 17, 2018, 4:56 PM

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Good thing they don't balance around m+

royal lantern Sep 17, 2018, 4:56 PM

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im at 2x ss and dmg is fine

spice surge Sep 17, 2018, 4:56 PM

#

I mean, dropping from best dps specc in the game to one of the best

strange python Sep 17, 2018, 4:56 PM

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But they're looking at "OP traits"

spice surge Sep 17, 2018, 4:56 PM

#

🤷

bleak jungle Sep 17, 2018, 4:56 PM

#

Without SS in raids, we're below the other rogue specs

deft locust Sep 17, 2018, 4:57 PM

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We were before anyways

strange python Sep 17, 2018, 4:57 PM

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We're not the best DPS atm I'd say

bleak jungle Sep 17, 2018, 4:57 PM

#

After their nerds

strange python Sep 17, 2018, 4:57 PM

#

With utility we are always the "best"

bleak jungle Sep 17, 2018, 4:57 PM

#

Nerfs*

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 4:57 PM

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We kinda aree the best dps

main blaze Sep 17, 2018, 4:57 PM

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There arent any specific nerfs just that Ion said "Outliers will be tuned down" and SS is definitely an outlier

strange python Sep 17, 2018, 4:57 PM

#

but pure output

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 4:57 PM

#

melee atleeast

strange python Sep 17, 2018, 4:57 PM

#

I'd say Havoc has us beat on pure output

hollow stone Sep 17, 2018, 4:57 PM

#

Ss is not the best trait by comparison to some other classes. But yeah

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 4:57 PM

#

📎 unknown.png

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its twice the dmg of most other traits

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'not op'

spice surge Sep 17, 2018, 4:57 PM

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Thats for tb

deft locust Sep 17, 2018, 4:57 PM

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it's time boys

hollow stone Sep 17, 2018, 4:57 PM

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Go check out ww monk

strange python Sep 17, 2018, 4:57 PM

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Yeah

deft locust Sep 17, 2018, 4:57 PM

#

time for the triple SB

strange python Sep 17, 2018, 4:57 PM

#

Maybe they should buff the other traits?

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 4:57 PM

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@deft locust pls no

simple meteor Sep 17, 2018, 4:57 PM

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man i hate sb plz no

strange python Sep 17, 2018, 4:58 PM

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😩 not SB

deft locust Sep 17, 2018, 4:58 PM

#

it was fun till the pvp nerf

stuck shuttle Sep 17, 2018, 4:58 PM

#

i never want to have poisoned knife in my rotation

deft locust Sep 17, 2018, 4:58 PM

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lost interest in it now

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:S

strange python Sep 17, 2018, 4:58 PM

#

I hated the Chains of Ice leggo on my DK

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 4:58 PM

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SB is shitty to use

#

They should make it reduce energy cost and nerf it

strange python Sep 17, 2018, 4:58 PM

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I'll just use double dose

bleak jungle Sep 17, 2018, 4:58 PM

#

SS is what makes sin fun for me

strange python Sep 17, 2018, 4:58 PM

#

And 1xSS

deft locust Sep 17, 2018, 4:58 PM

#

DD

#

is prolly gonna be the go to

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 4:58 PM

#

prob gonna roll sub when the nerfs hit

deft locust Sep 17, 2018, 4:58 PM

#

for ST

strange python Sep 17, 2018, 4:58 PM

#

yeah

deft locust Sep 17, 2018, 4:59 PM

#

if SS gets hit hard

strange python Sep 17, 2018, 4:59 PM

#

1xSS 2xDD

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SS more for CP than damage

pulsar lake Sep 17, 2018, 4:59 PM

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What is the thinking between poison bomb vs tempest for dungeons?

deft locust Sep 17, 2018, 4:59 PM

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tempest

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basically

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 4:59 PM

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tempest next week

deft locust Sep 17, 2018, 4:59 PM

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PB for super high Tyran keys

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HB if you wanna meme your boys

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and pull the entire dungeon

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 4:59 PM

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CT is fine in motherlode

deft locust Sep 17, 2018, 4:59 PM

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when you jump fok

onyx wind Sep 17, 2018, 4:59 PM

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even on high key

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depends on the dungeon atm

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but next weeek

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100% ct

spice surge Sep 17, 2018, 5:00 PM

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Gotta get a FoK azerite*

pulsar lake Sep 17, 2018, 5:00 PM

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I would probably go outlaw for higher fort keys anyway so the question is really for tyran keys