what is better at moment? sub or outlaw?
#assassination
arctic venture
strange python
Both are good
abstract crescent
every spec is good
warm geode
is normal sleep between skills? was main assassin at legion, changed to assassin to test, and man, so much slower .-. nice burst ST but cant sustain, but garrote deals a nice amount of damage
keen hound
if you run exsang build, do you just exsang on cd?
i've never really messed w/ exsang but am tempted to try it tonight
arctic venture
im sin at moment, but IΒ΄m seen outlaw and sub damn good for raids and mythic plus
over sin.
cloud fern
Is assassination still good ? I was like way under outlaw dps during most boss fight.. always running everywhere
shut finch
i like outlaw for multi target and ass for single target
but now dungeons wont let me change gear b4 boss so ima just stick with outlaw for mplus
coral cosmos
Woop! I was top 3 DPS all night in normal Uldir as Assass (not optimized)
bold ice
Nice! I was mostly top 3 as well as outlaw. Got the mother dagger though, so I'm tempted to try assassin
Topped a few fights too, had several perfect roll the bones tonight oddly.
turbid hull
So is running 3 SS best build right now?
abstract crescent
for pve yes
for pvp it's sharpened blade
@bold ice ya got that dagger where?
lucid bolt
man outlaw is really outdpsing assassination hard
strange python
So I have a 310 and 300, one piece has filthy transfusion and the SS. I got two 340 pieces, but azerite isnt high enough to unlock traits, so the 300 and 310 sim higher, do I bite the bullet and equip the 340 to get into heorics to gear for mythics?
dire spoke
just change equip before boss pull
slate agate
is SS still bugged, i just heard rumors so I don't even really what the bug was. Am I safe stacking 3x SS? also how is SIN performing in Uldir compared to Outlaw?
violet sonnet
Sin is the lowest right now in rogue specs.
But all are in the top 10 dps for uldir overall i'm pretty sure.
sin is 6th or 7th.
vocal dock
should you fan of knives on 2 targets instead of mut?
dire spoke
sin is top10 is patchwerk, if you're going into mythic progressing it can be fairly better than the other specs due to dot uptimes while running around doing rogue stuff
depends on your role π€·
depends on the boss
depends on your gear
Β°-Β°
civic palm
depends on your potatoes O _O
slender hare
God damnit just did 14k dps on Mother last night, but then our logs went broke or some shit so we didnβt log it...π΄
strange python
Me to
dire spoke
we don't wanna know what you did to your mother
strange python
Right now sure but there should be class and trait balancing happening after the weekend
slate agate
I switched Sin yesterday after 2 weeks of outlaw and sub farming and luckily I already had aderite gear for 3x SS, 2x HmC and 1x tb
I feel like this setup is so op on m+ as well
cerulean walrus
So how much of a red flag is a raid comp that wiped on Zek 6 times, Fetid 4 times, and Vectis 2 times on normal over the course of two raid nights
We didn't down a single boss tonight
thin ingot
is there a weak aura or something that informs me who is freaking leaving Explosive Corruption in the middle of the room so i can insta kick from guild ppl who fck up?
fck im pissed i cant even type
civic palm
lol
cerulean walrus
Its fucking NORMAL
Oh my god
I'm so heated
We don't even have a warrior for Battleshout
cerulean walrus
I'm gonna perform an #assassination on my Raid Leader
civic palm
Hey now that 's on topic!
cerulean walrus
See how I did that? Boom
Seriously though, how big of a red flag is that? I feel like we're hitting such a wall its stupid
keen hound
just depends on what you're looking for in a guild man
I mean, my guild is super casual, not even progressing this week
doing 3 different groups to see where people are at and progression will start next week
(we have a LOT of people)
cerulean walrus
Like I love the guild I'm in, the people are wonderful (most of the time)
But dear god the lock and I are stomping meters by 2k+ the next dps
safe matrix
yeah this isn't the channel to vent about that
this is for talking about assassination stuffs
#off-topic might lend an ear though
keen hound
Again, just depends on what you're looking for in a guild
Tank just lept in no pull timer on fetid -_-
and they heroed at the start instead of during enrage
That's why that one is purple instead of orange π
stuck shuttle
yeah π hes a good dude
slate agate
Nice, letβs see if my guild will kick me for playing SIN tonight
stuck shuttle
they'd be fucking up hard
if they did
ive had no troubles competing against sub so far
safe matrix
People never believe me when I say that
stuck shuttle
8/8N 5/8H so far
safe matrix
"All three specs are top tier" but which one is the best??
stuck shuttle
and ive either always tied or been next to our sub rogue
stuck shuttle
lmaoo
stuck shuttle
yeah we walked over normal
civic palm
Fetid should be hella quick on Normal.
safe matrix
g'huuns overtuned for a normal boss imo
you actually have to be pretty coordinated to do it
its a normal boss
stuck shuttle
agreed
strange python
Idk
civic palm
There's normal.
strange python
People are crying because they didnt kill normal in the first day
stuck shuttle
mythrax actually bugged on me
which is why i d/c;d
I got MC'd and the debuff never fell off
civic palm
Like I feel like this is pretty typical
stuck shuttle
so i was just MC'd for the whole fight
civic palm
Because there's nothing in that encounter.
safe matrix
Nah, I'm fine with g'huun. but its gonna be really hard to actually pug it
I'd say impossible
civic palm
If you get past MOTHER! > _>
safe matrix
uldir is the pug slayer
thin ingot
remember KJ?
civic palm
ToV2.0
civic palm
KJ was late enough in the expansion that with a few non-dummies you could power through it though, at least on N/H.
civic palm
There are a lot of moving parts.
civic palm
and just the distances that need to be traveled will slow things down too much.
When people fail balls.
civic palm
Yeah we needed like, 2 more pulls to get him.
stuck shuttle
i cant imagine what its gonna be like for a pug
stuck shuttle
looool
civic palm
Maybe the debuff timer can be dropped.
So the same people can do it.
and for LFR the # number ball phases can be dropped.
civic palm
I wanna see at most one though >_>
There are a lot of adds though so maybe not.
Yo the fucking raid DMG during Ghuun is another thing.
safe matrix
you gotta clear your debuff before you run
civic palm
Yeah but just remove it for Normal > _>
If they people die then you have to have backups
There's your Normal difficulty.
strange python
Ofc
abstract crescent
You guys run 1 ss 2 SB for pvp or 3 SB?
strange python
I dont think most people can choose at this point
safe matrix
if you go past all of the discussion about g'huun
hectix linked some logs with sin
so I assume so
minor prawn
i am but looking at my rankings tonight not a whole bunch of sin rogues out there to every other class atm
for heroic at least
elder cypress
hey guys how u competet in dps vs warlocks? i was yesterday in uldir and was almost every boss at 3 position only 1 warlock and 1 mage where wrecking hard
minor prawn
um depends on the fight sometimes our top lock wins at the end but they always win at the start pretty much
i was doin 26k burst and the lock would hold ahead of me
id drop to 16k lock still doin 20,,,,
civic palm
Question: Are you guys playing SIN on all fights?
Yep.
minor prawn
but if u play well you can beat the lock on most fights just due to them not being able to constantly attack
lone junco
drillin for golds.
my outlaw st is 1k over my sin, so i just went with it.
12.8 vs 11.8
minor prawn
idk what im simmin but logs have been all above 80-90%
lone junco
guess vigor would put my outlaw over 13k.
civic palm
No we have 6 Rogues.
lone junco
we have 30. 1 rogue
civic palm
Dunno if they have alts that they will fuck off to if there's a nerf.
or if they are on the FOTM hit.
lone junco
not too excited btw. rogue is 3 of the top 4 at 95% of a few fights
not the best place to be.
civic palm
Yeah.
I don't think Blizzard just looks at that though, they've much better numbers.
and know what their raidDPS target is.
keen spruce
lone junco
gives me something to do before I reroll.
civic palm
heh
keen spruce
only took 2 hours and 40 minutes 
civic palm
It took me an hour to do Siege0 > _>"
safe matrix
and its underrot too
civic palm
Fuckin... potatoes.
keen spruce
3rd boss wave very tight
inland gull
what overall u pill in m+? in 341 eq seemed 13k is usual
when wipefest bcuz people got no clue finished around 10.5k
civic palm
I need to get more comfortable as SIN in M+ before commenting on that.
Too many Ruptures, not enough CT's on my part.
inland gull
is ct worth it? i mean the low hp stuff melts anyway
civic palm
and once they fix SS Garrote is going to crush even more and not be so fucking awkward.
CT is worth it on 3 targets 100%.
lone junco
it was so fun.
inland gull
i got 355 boralus trinket yday, but the proc rate seems too low.. like i never see it
lone junco
safe matrix
also when things live longer in higher keys
lone junco
no one loves the :exsang:
civic palm
Even just in +2's thing seem to live long enough so long you're not in a mongo group.
jovial kite
All r1 btw
civic palm
uhhuh
inland gull
also got 19neck finally so shoulder got inner with gupripper
civic palm
π
lone junco
it is π
jovial kite
nah
lone junco
hilarious.
inland gull
gonna be curious of % in overall
lone junco
garrote the 3, then CT. a few, when you are ready to dump the SS, you tab out the garrotes for days with 0cd
maintained like 20k over 40 sec on the run
I ripped out like 20k st on a short boss.
inland gull
thats nice
on st i feel lacking. my sim is 11,7.. can do that but just sucks to starve
lone junco
it is by design.
inland gull
when on trash its so smooth with all the bleeds
i know but still makes me sad
when in legion our st was godlike
and high apm
civic palm
I mean it's still godlike > _>
lone junco
it is known.
inland gull
i mean compared to this
civic palm
Nah.
civic palm
goes through his charts
minor prawn
this i believe is the only time sin has stacked haste as a top secondary
lone junco
but realigning at 220 is ok
inland gull
i love the apec still so all good
lone junco
ish.
inland gull
i only liked old combat more than assa
minor prawn
only time i liked combat more was with armor pen + armor pen trinket
inland gull
that green yellow prolonging with an insane redbuff phase yikes
for me outlaw was half my soul ripped from my body
lone junco
1 snake 2ds is saving me rn. I can actually stab a few before rerolling.
civic palm
No I liked not being mentioned in patches ever so I played Shaman during those times.
inland gull
like friends at start of bfa was making jokes bcuz until i got some secondaries my dmg sucked
but after 11years of roguemaining not gonna switch xd
slender peak
are rogues just hated in m+ in mythic 0 I was constantly toping meters for ST and at the top or near in AoE and now I'm constantly getting declined in m+ with 345 ilvl
civic palm
It's because there are 91827381726381762 other people trying to get in.
If Rogues crushed everything no one would take anything else.
safe matrix
Probably going by ilvl or legion m+ score first
lone junco
grats you get in. now do 20k. while the others are like 6k
civic palm
GARROTE SHIT... BITCH.
slender peak
I mean I figured as much but constanly applying for an hour you think youd get at least one mythic
civic palm
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
safe matrix
What's your ilvl
inland gull
healer friend was declined for +5 with 345 lol
strange python
Could just make ur own group
civic palm
haha
inland gull
btw manor with sanguine gave us bad evening experience
eager stratus
So what's the stat priority in PvP though? π€
civic palm
Gives everyone that.
slender peak
I woul if my key wasnt bugged ran a mythic + and it didnt upgrade at the end
eager stratus
gothca
slender peak
riperino
inland gull
also had undermap hound bugged hitting tank for 15min xd
civic palm
Like narrow hallways? How about BLOOD EVERYWHERE?!
inland gull
not targetable
onyx falcon
k, entirely srs question, is there some Meme build atm w/ MP and Exg?
civic palm
Why MP though = \
onyx falcon
yea
i know
just ran w/ a dude running that in a dungeon
and he has double bis trinkets
civic palm
High DP dmg?
civic palm
haha
onyx falcon
no sht dps LOL
civic palm
of course
onyx falcon
civic palm
You FoK a lot but it's fucking MP > _>
onyx falcon
the noob is me
safe matrix
I have 345 socketed dice π
civic palm
Of course.
onyx falcon
shhh go away lia
ALTHOUGH i did just get a 350 gallons β€
i was running a fathoms and a 325 dice
i need an upgrade for my dice π
slender peak
I mean 10.5k isnt all that much
glacial steppe
345 dice/355 plunderbeards flask
slender peak
I can pull that with normal build
onyx falcon
i mean no, its not, it is overall btw
but still
the difference between the 2
is... a thing
slender peak
what were you pulling on trash? on average?
glacial steppe
is crimson tempest actually a thing? feel like it does nothing
onyx falcon
idk like... 15-20K, they nver pulled huge packs
slender peak
and how much ST?
onyx falcon
biggest pack pull was like.... 5?
fking low i was lazy i didnt use vanish once that dungeon π
slender peak
theres your problem
onyx falcon
i nver said i did good DPS
slender peak
yea but thats how he beat you so much
slender peak
oh I cant read LOL
onyx falcon
i did said "im the noob"
glacial steppe
@civic palm how much am I supposed to CT? I just kept it up on every pack
slender peak
so wait whats the question if he didnt beat you? maybe hes just bad?
or really likes exang?
civic palm
Jiyu was asking if there wasn't anything weird going on with MP+EX.
onyx falcon
nonono the question was just , is there some meme player right now whos doing amazing dps w/ those 2 talents that made him use those 2 talents
civic palm
But I suppose his idea was that EX is dope for bosses, and MP is dope for trash cuz you FoK a lot?
and then promptly forgot we lost most of our Artifact passives?
_>
glacial steppe
I miss my low cd vendetta π¦
onyx falcon
^
civic palm
DP is a weapon poison, but we're missing some STUFF.
onyx falcon
can uh... we just get PK back (glitched version)
civic palm
haha
onyx falcon
π
civic palm
Poison Knives + Crimson Tempest > _>"
civic palm
nty
rough wedge
We are really bottom damage? :~(
onyx falcon
honestly, in M+, its doing 1/2 - 1/4 the amount of dmg from legion version
for me that is
glacial steppe
Its like βwow cool, I dropped a vial of poison!!!β then you check details
and it did like nothing
onyx falcon
this is my dream fix for PB
civic palm
If you can get PBOMB up to 4% that's great.
But it's trivial to get CT to 2x that DMG.
onyx falcon
you make PB back to the DMG it was in legion, same proc rate, BUT instead of procing and dropping it, its a skill that drops to 3 max, stacks drop off after X seconds, you can use PB at your discretion if you have a stack
glacial steppe
I actually switched from sub to assa cause Im doing much better in m+ with assa
onyx falcon
what i feel it would make it less RNG
glacial steppe
I really like the poison theme of assa so a poison nova or something would be cool af
onyx falcon
i think poison nova is too mage like
civic palm
bone novaaaaaa
glacial steppe
does exs work with CT?
daring imp
someone bothered to run a few high keys with CT at this point?
burnt kernel
Are we using overwhelming power azerite trait?
onyx falcon
civic palm
I am using OPx2 sure
onyx falcon
^ @miz when'd we get this, i havent been in here too often nowadays
jovial kite
3x heed
is bis once you hit haste softcap
so you might scuff yourself with op
its just a template profile yo
safe matrix
What's the soft cap for sin, just so I can answer that in the future?
burnt kernel
"Check the pins" yet the page that was written doesn't even suggest overwhelming power, and its all haste
civic palm
Yep, not many options for me atm and it SIMs better than anything else.
onyx falcon
@ lia was about the ask the same thing
jovial kite
there is
safe matrix
Yeah fair enough
jovial kite
but its bound to your own character
nobody can tell whats yours
except you
by simming yourself
civic palm
@safe matrix
safe matrix
I'm sorry, it's past my bedtime ._.
onyx falcon
@burnt kernel litterally the 1st pin theres bloodmallet there, that has azerites listed
civic palm
:3
onyx falcon
and im sure herodamage has it too
vestal dune
Assa is feeling great on raid so far
jovial kite
assa is borderline broken
onyx falcon
aw i just realized the pin w/ the PB and sin picture is gone....
i liked that picture
jovial kite
12k 1st boss 14k 2nd boss 17k 3rd boss 14 4th 15 5th
then i switched to my shitgeared dh for splits and was sad 
civic palm
hahaha
daring imp
rip best opener during legion
safe matrix
I need to play more assa
jovial kite
goddamn i like assa compared to legion
daring imp
yeah me too, specially with 3x SS
jovial kite
tb build in particular
civic palm
Still only 3% damage.
daring imp
i miss 25% pb rng god parse
jovial kite
thats the good part
energy so scuffed you need to actually plan ahead and play the spec like its supposed to
safe matrix
Have you played exsang yet?
civic palm
Just spam.
vestal dune
Assa might even be played for progresion even if they do not touch sub
I do not feel it performs bad on any boss
jovial kite
theres no reason to play sub except for boss damage on zul and zekvos
civic palm
Yap.
vestal dune
After playing ap assa on legion, getting 1st on bosses with adds feels sooo good
civic palm
Imagine how dumb CT would have been on something like Spellblade = \
daring imp
CT proc'ing poisen bombz π’
jovial kite
civic palm
jovial kite
@frigid lagoon pm me and ill help you once im out of lecture
daring imp
link'em so we can hammer it π
safe matrix
I have faith in illya
jovial kite
weak
i just got 355
no troll though
and fuck me its good
bursting close to 40 raidbuffed
safe matrix
holy moly thats a lot
civic palm
tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick
civic palm
Whazzat like, 1:20?
civic palm
mmm
civic palm
mmmx2
civic palm
Close to 14 now I imagine.
jovial kite
but when that log was done 13.2
jovial kite
warm parcel
blue gear btw
strange python
Nice fucking potato
jovial kite
top taters
civic palm
lol
jovial kite
civic palm
Think I am at 23 hmmm
warm parcel
Troll is 150 more dps
jovial kite
as tb is pretty much dead in trash
warm parcel
jovial kite
in high m+ if prio dmg is not needed sin is WAY better
civic palm
Poison Wire stacks with itself hrrrrrrrrrrrrm
strange python
In what
strange python
Ohh rogue only
civic palm
more mastery than I thought
warm parcel
obs roge onlyu
daring imp
how many trash tho
daring imp
i've seen a frost mage do close to 60k on a pull today, was sure the healer would give in given how fast the tank was going through on a +4
warm parcel
Yeah Ive seen uh pop off quite well
civic palm
o _o"
jovial kite
you could say uh is bursting
daring imp
searched bursting sores on google to check it ... don't do that
daring imp
π¦
vestal wren
i wouldnt be suprise if thy nef ss
jovial kite
sin is still the worst performing of the 3 specs
due to public logs atleast
and ss already nerfed once
hazy pebble
hey guys so for the traits, is 3 shoruded suffocation the best?
undone lodge
@hazy pebble according to sim, yes
hazy pebble
hrm
hazy pebble
realistically what do you think in heroic or mystic raids?
strange python
Zekvos is 1 shot
jovial kite
exs is better than tb though
strange python
Doesnt matter
undone lodge
imo playing sins right now is more simpler than any other expansion
warm parcel
Well last nights commit swapped tb profile to exs profile on simc website 
Just noone has updated it
civic palm
_>"
jovial kite
asked for the updated subterfuge apl from mystler yesterday
exsang came like 120 ahead of tb
warm parcel
-PR_Rogue_Assassination.simc +PR_Rogue_Assassination_Exsg.simc
civic palm
Will this remain with fewer SS traits though ?
civic palm
Ye
undone lodge
is there any logs already?
warm parcel
Not quite fair
daring imp
exsang for pvp 
civic palm
Won't we likely be on SSx2 + Array soon enough?
jovial kite
depends
undone lodge
i have 3 SS, ilvl currently on 315 aand simc tell me i got 8.9k DPS
vestal dune
I got 13 340+ azerite pieces, only 1 ss in the same slot that I have a 355 piece without it :')
hollow vapor
Could be worse.. My 340 chest with my only SS sims higher than my 370 without :(
vestal dune
With how many adds there are, not having ss hurts even more
knotty dew
I only have 2 SS and it feels amazing in m+
big pull? no problem, garrote 3, vanish, garrote another 3, see 25-30k dps
uneven summit
got 355 helmet with Stand as one and Fan of Blades.... feels bad, my 370 chest hast poisoned whire and overwhelming.. could be worse, but traded a SS and HMC 340 chest for it, sims said 370 was superior
blissful crown
had the 370 haste trinket from from boss
only slighlty better than 330 spyglass
So wierd
And then i had 375 ring from mother
strange python
Dont think the raid trinkets sim very well
Could see them getting buffed on monday/tuesday with the balance patch
civic palm
Yeah I am thinking the same.
jovial kite
im 355 galecallers and fathoms
only upgrade would be a higher galecaller and dooms wake
nothing will beat these before next tier
so im gucci
jovial kite
ooohh nice
strange python
Hast/mast iirc
jovial kite
quest or just a reward for hitting cap?
keen spruce
you get 30 conq for your first win of the day in 2s, 50 for 3s, then 10 per win after
need 500 to cap
you can get like 50-100 from pvp quests n shit too
strange python
Well brawl gave me 90
keen spruce
like call to arms
strange python
From 1st win
keen spruce
yeah BGs gives more
i'd just get all of your first win of the days and a little farming
and you can cap ez
tropic pike
im finding it hard to track all my dots on adds in dungeons
are there any addons u guys recommend for that?
also my dots on the boss for that matter
knotty dew
coming back to an earlier comment: what has split raid to do with using exsang instead of TB?
strange python
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civic palm
I chose mine.
stuck shuttle
lol
civic palm
lol
civic palm
Got the Doom Howl chest from bonus this week π
stuck shuttle
spicy
tropic pike
ty
slate agate
Deadly navigation π±
fair hill
I got the same dagger last night from bonus roll but w/o a socket
Is the Doom Howl chest any good? Besides ilvl
uneven summit
Vest of the Veiled Gryphon: Poisoned Wire and Overwhelming
decent but meh
thatΒ΄s the doom howl chest btw
hazy iron
pretty sure it doesn't matter which hand your enchant goes on
unless they were different speeds or something, notsure.jpg
elder cypress
regarding https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/trinkets/1t-t22-assassination fathoms doesnt is that good for sin
uneven summit
Fathoms is good for the ilvl, but as soon as you go up fathoms will fall behind
elder cypress
yea ok thats just the normal way with this card trinkets : D
next summit
What does Exsg mean in sims and other log based resources?
west frost
Exsanguinate?
jovial kite
yes
uneven summit
@elder cypress very much so π
west frost
Or are you asking something else
jovial kite
you just switch tb to exsang
jovial kite
warm parcel
crit still below mas has
jovial kite
you can get 355 from pvp aswell
jovial kite
u dont have 3x?
safe root
exs seems good for high priority target switching
jovial kite
exs is goodftfy
safe root
you guys played around with it much? i've mainly been on tb tbh
jovial kite
and yeah weak i was so unluigers yday on split
@safe root 3 rank ones yesterday in hc
cleared only 5 bosses thou
jovial kite
private
safe root
damn so close
jovial kite
safe root
;)
jovial kite
but theres fetid
jovial kite
nah its really good imo
zekvoz for example
atleast on split scenario
prob different story on full main raid
jovial kite
i only pick it if i know there will be +10 mob pulls
and my mates are terribad
like after dh burst if the adds remain you will flat out own the dh
and its godtier if you have galecallers
which you will have up for every big pull
3x garrote + 10+ mob ct + galecallers = cash
jovial kite
its ridiculous atm
jovial kite
yeah
ima switch
but not yet
lust + troll + gale 
swinging the bickus all around
safe root
you just replacing exs with tb in the standard rotation list ?
jovial kite
just pick the talent
safe root
or are you exs'ing straight afte vendetta
jovial kite
and the apl gets adjusted
safe root
ah gotcha
lament dove
after 12 years of playing a troll rogue this brings a tear to my eye
warm parcel
I got the 360 
jovial kite
im still 350 340
lecture
strange python
Sorry guys i m not good for this kind of thing, but how can i found the optimal rotation doe exsang? Yersteday, notter i thibk, send some, it's from raidbot? Or wcraftlog?
prime quail
does the SS trait stack ? or still bugged
warm parcel
they always stacked
warm parcel
hes just wrong
warm parcel
3
prime quail
so it doesnt stack
prime quail
ok
strange python
it's like that with many traits (for different classes) you will often see a trait that does something like "extends your CD by X for every Y you do......and some extra dmg"
the dmg stacks, the neat effect often does not
night cypress
devout jolt
capping pvp
prime quail
What can i do. with my Conquest Points?
keen haven
So what, running exsanguinate now? Pog
prime quail
Can You buy Shit again?
devout jolt
@prime quail nah, its not really a currency, more AP style. The higher it is the more you unlock
but ask in #pvp as they may know more
tropic pike
So i've noticed my dps is really lacking. I am ilvl343 and am averaging 6k dps in most scenarios (let's use waycrest dungeon as a test case example). I'm prioritising garrote>rupture>envenom>mutilate on all my targets, while using vendetta and toxic blade on cd but i still cannot seem to go above 7-8k damage.
Is there anyway to find out what particularly I am doing wrong?
safe root
hmm, my APL opens with garrote rupture garrote detta
ancient sonnet
any of you poisonbois finding sin to be useful in m+?
obsidian loom
@ancient sonnet I never seem to have issues
ancient sonnet
im just wondering if its worth playing if my squad has no slows
obsidian loom
Garrote is still my highest damage
ancient sonnet
taking the dps hit from not being outlaw for the utility of crippling poison
obsidian loom
My tanks love the frost mage/ass combo for kiting
ancient sonnet
but if its not much of a hit in dps
if i had frostyboi with me id just run outlaw
strange python
sin is just fine, now in m+ trash actually lives a little bit longer so it's only getting better I feel like
obsidian loom
Iβm only 343 and single most target the M+ bosses around 15k and trash about the same
Single target most*
obsidian loom
I sit at 20%, but have 3 overwhelming power traits and 2 other prof traits
obsidian loom
Yeah
ancient sonnet
how tho
strange python
how much haste rating is that...the hell
strange python
jesus...
ancient sonnet
what talents you running for m+ then?
obsidian loom
My neck is also 363
ancient sonnet
normal with CT?
strange python
EP
Subt
Vigor
Exsang
W/e
I think there was a short discussion here just a while ago. I think CT is prefered but everyone seems to do just fine with PB still
obsidian loom
But yeah, I use ep sub vigor envy on
safe root
do you let the bleeds after you exsanguinate fully drop off before reapplying rupture/garrote or just behave as normal and try pandemic?
ancient sonnet
if its like it used to be you let em drop
obsidian loom
Err poison blade?
strange python
Well TB is borderline useless in m+
ancient sonnet
but last time i played exswaguinate was in antorus for a bit
obsidian loom
Meh, I do fine with it
I donβt like exang
I TB the focus while keeping rup/garrote up on 3 min
Exang always felt clunky to me
Once I get to work, Iβll post stats. My crit is low a/f but my luck had been garbage in Haste>crit gear
Iβve done +5 Tol Dagor 10+ times and no luck on weapons
Pissing me off
strange python
btw I don't recommend doing motherlode at all haha
obsidian loom
That place is cancer
daring cave
So are we saying exang for M+?. What about raid?. I was running TB still. Just curious
obsidian loom
Did it last nights, the amount of trash that has to be pulled is insane
strange python
Exsang is better for everything
obsidian loom
@daring cave I run TB all the time. I donβt like exang
Hate the play style
And because I donβt like it, underperform when using it even though mathematically it is better
daring cave
Yeah I've never really messed with exang. Just curious about it. Would rotation stay close ?.
Lol yes when I did try it I felt slow.
obsidian loom
Always the same, just feels clunky to me
jovial kite
its faster apm than tb
obsidian loom
Yeah once trash lives longer MA willl be better
jovial kite
what
ancient sonnet
other way around
daring cave
So when would I exang then
obsidian loom
Exang and MA have no cohesion
To each other is the problem
Poison or bleed builds need different setups
obsidian loom
Basically, do what you are comfortable with
obsidian loom
Aunt and 3 garrote is amazing
Subt*
I hated that until I got used to it
Subt the talent
Not the spec :p
I miss my poison spam builds though π¦
jovial kite
ma is def not better than subt
obsidian loom
Def not atm
safe root
i don't get my APL at all, it opens with garrote rupte garrote vendetta mutilate rupture exs
obsidian loom
Will sim m+ later. Havenβt been doing it
safe root
why the doable garrote? and why the non pandemiced rupture
obsidian loom
And wonβt raid till Saturday
strange python
double garrote to get the almost instant extension of the super buffed Garrote
jovial kite
Double garrote for pandemic aswell
strange python
and refresh rupture early for exsang
jovial kite
Sigh
lofty junco
@safe root pandem ic 7,4 sec IIRC
strange python
you want your bleeds to gain as much as possible from Exsang
jovial kite
2x3cp ruptures is pandemiced rupture
If you dont know how pandemic works, look it up
jovial kite
then understand pndemic first
obsidian loom
This is the rogue channel, not possible to not be a dick sometimes. We stab things.
jovial kite
you dont lose duration on rup if u 2x3cp
lofty junco
we stab anything^^
lofty junco
2x3 cp rupture is like a 3 CP rupture with 33% more duration
no religious things pls^^
safe root
lol.. yeah ima take a breather, thanks for the help anyways @obsidian loom @jovial kite
obsidian loom
Nice
jovial kite
naisu
knotty dew
@safe root if you have a SS trait you'll be using a pandemic 5 cp rupture (aka longest possible duration) right before exsang in that opener
safe root
thanks, so im getting a 1x3cp and 1x5cp rupture in
knotty dew
exactly
you don't need a 5cp first rupture cause you'll overwrite it 3 gcd later anyway
safe root
also on the apl it looks like the time between the garrote just before exs and the next garrote is 15s, so i assume its not worth letting the garrote with exs drop off, instead just overwriting ?
safe root
0:02.007 stealthed S garrote Fluffy_Pillow 132.5/170: 78% energy | 0.0/5: 0% combo_points subterfuge, elaborate_planning, battle_potion_of_agility
0:03.010 cds E vendetta Fluffy_Pillow 107.2/170: 63% energy | 3.0/5: 60% combo_points elaborate_planning, battle_potion_of_agility
0:17.226 stealthed P garrote Fluffy_Pillow 46.1/170: 27% energy | 0.0/5: 0% combo_points rictus_of_the_laughing_skull, vanish, envenom, elaborate_planning, quick_navigation(2), deadly_navigation, overwhelming_power(15), unstable_catalyst, battle_potion_of_agility
mossy hazel
Are people leaning more towards exsang build now? Seeing a lot of discussion on it here lately
mossy hazel
Huh, might have to read into it and give it a try then
Anyway, I don't know if I'm just doing really well or if my new 500 ranked guild is just doing really bad... I'm consistently top or near top dps in most fights and I'm literally the lowest ilvl in the group. Been doing heroic and I'm only 337
Most of the time I'm above the other 2 rogues who are 345+
And they're both ranked higher than me on wowprog too
mossy hazel
This was our best attempt on Vec last night. I'm second highest dps (outlaw top this time), and I'm tied for lowest ilvl with a healer
I'm giving benefit of the doubt to the other sin rogue because he just switched from sub so I'm sure he's still working it out, and he was much higher on sub the first night.
obsidian loom
Yar, been thinking about going sub for the lolz to see the hype
strange python
judging purely by numbers and not taking anything else into consideration then yes i'd say your guild is bad
mossy hazel
Man you couldn't just let me have this one, could you wolf
knotty dew
Prototype, are you using SS traits? Cant check the log at work
mossy hazel
Yea, got 2 and a double dose
strange python
love you too β€
knotty dew
Maybe the other sin rogues dont?
mossy hazel
Yea, like I said, the other Sin just switched, so it's possible he's not fully optimized yet
obsidian loom
Rawr
verbal sorrel
whats the hype with exsg
mossy hazel
Is that a mastery vs haste thing maybe? (exsang vs tb)
verbal sorrel
hmm
strange python
I'm not sure, some people say exsg is better in m+ because you have priority damage
I think it's just a playstyle preference
Its better in st
As well
Raids that is
yet people say they sim lower with it
verbal sorrel
^
strange python
TB is even gone from simcraft stacked chart
Replaced by exsang
Cos it sims higher
mossy hazel
I'm at work, is there a way I can sim different talents than what I logged out with?
strange python
raidbots
mossy hazel
I really only ever sim with simc while I'm playing
strange python
Ye lemme go sim my OL with 0 outlaw traits
Im sure it sims well
Ohh wait
what has that to do with TB and exsg?
strange python
The fact that with optimized gear
verbal sorrel
can you atleast be constructive
strange python
Exsang is better
verbal sorrel
ok I see