assassination

[candid phoenix]

but with this Personal loot garbage system

it might not be easy

guys i just found a glitch with SS while doing some old raids

i will report it, but if its not fixed u might wanna be careful in the raid next week

so When i pull a boss with garrote, i get 1 CP instead of 3, because entering Raid boss combat resets ur CPs to 0, and Garrote actually gives u the CPs b4 it applies the debuff, so u get CPs b4 entering combat and thus u lose them

so let the boss be pulled then garrote so u are in combat alrdy xD

[lofty junco]

we are 5 rogues in our raid, at a time everyone will ahve 2 xD

[quaint sequoia]

I have experienced that aswell,but only in old content @candid phoenix

[candid phoenix]

well we cant experience it in new content @quaint sequoia . no raid bosses yet xD

[quaint sequoia]

Didnt experience it in antorus during pre-patch tho, but in old content during pre-patch

Think it might have something to do with the old raids dps buff thingy

[candid phoenix]

Kakan i think u are off point

u didnt have Shrouded Suffocation in prepatch xD

[quaint sequoia]

Dont think the cp reset is cuz SS, cuz that hapoend for me in pre-patch aswell

[candid phoenix]

CP reset

is mechanic

for Raid bosses

like all classes have

[open hazel]

What the shit? Does Shrouded Suffocation NOT stack?

[candid phoenix]

SS stacks on dmg

not on CPs

i have 3x SS. want me to get 7 CPs on garrote? 😄

[open hazel]

hell yeah I would

[candid phoenix]

xD

[open hazel]

Is it still cool to stack multiples of it though?

or should I be seeking a different trait in its place

thinking of ST burst

[candid phoenix]

yes

3x SS is the best for Aoe and ST atm

[open hazel]

how does it work for aoe? 🤔

lets you build faster for a crimson tempest?

[quaint sequoia]

Oh had no idea that was a boss thing resetting cp, never notice it during current content only while running old raids so thought it was a old Raid bug 😂

[candid phoenix]

u open with 3 Garrotes

and ur dmg goes to the skies

yeah Kakan they changed that mid legion cus Shadow priests were stacking up Void b4 pulling bosse

[quaint sequoia]

Oh I see

[nocturne gate]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/35KBw6EaiBsLVUN5GPq8R2

[barren spindle]

Open 3 garrote on boss?

[nocturne gate]

is there any specific point when the statweights change to mine ?

or did i just have to much haste crit ?^

[open hazel]

@candid phoenix so you run subterfuge?

[candid phoenix]

yep

ur stats are a little higher than mine, and i sim 12.100

[open hazel]

Oh I see so it does apply during that time

[candid phoenix]

so i have better azerite traits

right now i have, 3x SS, 1 Over.Power. and 2 HeedMyCall

yes velador

[quaint sequoia]

I have the same 😛

[untold snow]

isnt 2x garrote into rupture better than 1x garrote -> muti -> rupture right now on single target?

just so you have 24s garrote?

[candid phoenix]

based on my personal tests with my gearset

it is

slightly better

[open hazel]

So how's 2x Garrote 1x Dagger in the Back

[candid phoenix]

wasting 1 CP (if u run vigor) is worth the dmg u get

[open hazel]

and should I be running exsang if my main goal here is to demolish people out in world pvp

[candid phoenix]

@open hazel i havent really tested DitB. i cant really have all those azerite armors with all the various combos to test 😄

[untold snow]

with SS working assa feels good in dungs right now tbh

[open hazel]

just wondering! I only have one dagger in the back, and I could potentially run a third SS, but it's on my main spec's shoulders, so I can't really change it at this time

or... rather, dont want to swap it out

[orchid cove]

i mean its 5g

[candid phoenix]

well SS is way ahead

from any other

atm

[untold snow]

is it worth to change 340 head with ditb for 325 with ss?

just to have 3rd ss?

[open hazel]

Pol more like 20, and then 30 to change it back

[untold snow]

or will it be a dmg loss overall?

[quaint sequoia]

Sim it

[candid phoenix]

u need to sim it

we cant really tell u

[untold snow]

dont have 325 head to sim it right now

[candid phoenix]

its mathematics 😛

[untold snow]

was wondering if I should farm it

from shrine

[quaint sequoia]

Use Gear compare feature in raidbots

[candid phoenix]

anyway i m off to sleep. have fun ppl

[gloomy venture]

is it true that you can't stack 3 shrouded suffocation?

[quaint sequoia]

Dmg stack, cp dont

[gloomy venture]

so would it be a waste to go with 3 ss?

[quaint sequoia]

Nope

The dmg is awesome

[untold snow]

so its not worth it its like 100 dmg less

[open hazel]

I wouldve loved to be able to fully rupture and garrote a pair of dipshits

[gloomy venture]

cuz i've heared that i should get shoruded, thunderous and dagger

[quaint sequoia]

Well u should sim yourself till be sure

But for me 3x ss sims best

[gloomy venture]

ofcourse but heard alot of people say that it is a complete waste to go with 3x ss

some say it doesn't stack at all and some say only damage stacks and regardless it is a waste

so damn hard to know what to go for when there is no unity

[quaint sequoia]

Garrote is like 35% of my dmg now

[gloomy venture]

simming is one way I guess but how can I be sure it knows if it is stackable or not 😛

[quaint sequoia]

The dmg is stackable

I am sure

[pale shell]

hey guys

i suck at rogue

[gloomy venture]

doon't we all

but kakan, what is your take on assassination pre-raid?

i've been running assassination only for about a week now and I like it but I'm wondering how it will stand in raids now

assassination has always been the shit to go for raids but blizzard seems to be wanting to switch trends in alot of classes

[quaint sequoia]

Not sure about in raids but in mythics I usually crush the other dps

Think we'll be fine in uldir

But time for bed now 4am here 😂😂

[gloomy venture]

yeah I have to watch some guides on assassination

i can hold a fair dps of around 8k atm on ST with my 328 ass rogue

but I think I overthink things cuz everytime I end up having no energy or cp it feels like i am dropping so hard

the whole energy management of things is a complete mystery for me

[random skiff]

we have strong priority damage so we'll at least be good for prog

[gloomy venture]

yeah i guess

[vapid moth]

was SS fixed?

[barren spindle]

Wasn't broken afaik

[hazy iron]

it was definitely broken, but was fixed late last week

[barren spindle]

Ah yeah

[vapid moth]

i feel it

[thorny glen]

eleborate planning vs master poisoner?

[vapid moth]

pins?

sims?

[sleek iron]

Anyone care to share their sims at around 347 ilvl?

Summing that as sub atm but I’d love to come back to sin if it’s doing okay

[strange python]

I don't know anyone at 347 ilvl.

[sleek iron]

😦

I miss sin but i felt its lacking in dps :/

[thorny glen]

its like 3% diff

[barren spindle]

1 sec @sleek iron

[sleek iron]

Thanks

[barren spindle]

had my spec on sub to cheese wow prog rank 😄

[sleek iron]

I found sin as slow for wq so I’ll prob stick with sub in world pvp

Due to ramp up on bleeds/poisons; but if sustained is good I wanna run dual spec

[barren spindle]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9XsYtw2z54z7e7GchRxtKb
only have 2 SS gear atm

@sleek iron

[sleek iron]

Thanks

Helpful 😃

[barren spindle]

😄 3m is almost 14k

[sleek iron]

I’m at 347ilvl 13.5k 5 min patchwerk in sub

[barren spindle]

that with all bis traits?

[sleek iron]

Nah just 2

Last is rezan fury which is middle of the pack

[barren spindle]

yeah my other is dagger

[sleek iron]

Thanks for helping me out though

[barren spindle]

npnp just copied and pasted 😄

[sleek iron]

Thought people were gonna be like “go back to sub channel” haha

[neat eagle]

hello guys . anyone know a good assasin 1 shot macro? I have one that I used in prepatch: /castsequence reset=30 Cheap Shot,Garrote,Rupture,Toxic Blade,Vendetta,Marked for Death,Kidney Shot,Mutilate,Mutilate,Envenom,Mutilate,Mutilate,Envenom

[barren spindle]

so you hit that once and it does its thing?

[sleek iron]

Gotta spam it

[neat eagle]

yeah u need to smash the fuck outta it tho

[barren spindle]

ah lol

[neat eagle]

but i open in stealth on world pvp

still works but don't know if there is a better one

[sleek iron]

What does the cast sequence 30 do?

[neat eagle]

not sure tbh i think it is the reset timer 30 secs

[still marsh]

Resets it after 30s of inactivity

[neat eagle]

yeah thing is it has a 2 min CD due to vendetta

then u can't spam it cuz it will just stay stuck on trying to cast vendetta when it is on DC

CD*

[sleek iron]

Then is it the same as making t castseuqnce 120?

[neat eagle]

hmm i guess that could work

and then create a second macro without vendetta

[sleek iron]

I thought macros like that were not possible

[grim mason]

hey sharpened blades over thunderous blast?

[sleek iron]

You could make a macro for opening rotation

Gg

Lol

[barren spindle]

dont think so getty

bloodmallet says it but hero damage doesnt have it anywhere close

[strange python]

I'd rather trust herodmg

[dire spoke]

tbh I didn't do many daily hc aswell cba

[strange python]

bloodmallet gives next to no information about its profiles

[barren spindle]

yeah was just reading that

[dire spoke]

kpop strim now o_ o

[civic palm]

in #assassination ?

[dire spoke]

oh, why am I not in off

stupid disco °-°

[grim mason]

Didnt there use to be an addon that saved your BiS?

[barren spindle]

bestinslot?

think thats what it was called @grim mason

[grim mason]

mhhm maybe

, is it still around?

[barren spindle]

dont think so, think the creator quit wow

[grim mason]

by the way anyone want to add and help a brother out when I do weekly mythics for gear lol 😃

ahh

damn

[cerulean whale]

Have they patched the Garrote trait on gear yet?

[civic palm]

Yes as of Tuesday.

[cerulean whale]

thanks

[sleek iron]

You can stack the combo point now?

[strange python]

[main rain]

@sleek iron No, they fixed the damage portion

[random skiff]

agi or bursting blood?

[hazy iron]

sim it

[sleek iron]

Ah right

[blissful crown]

I can tell that my normaly mythic grp was like "wtf is going on to rogues right now" after we went last night

my garrote damage was just insane

i mean when i does between 35-45% of my total damage on big pulls.

😄

[verbal ingot]

just out dps a dh

[vast edge]

@blissful crown i just got my second garrote trait and my god.. my mythic group was the same.. my multitargety garrote dmg was insane.. need that third trait asap

[blissful crown]

Yeah same.

are ppl using any addon that can track ur bleeds on multiple targets?

[vast edge]

im using kui nameplates and find it good for tracking the dots on my targets

[devout jolt]

lucked out and got chest and shoulders with SS on them. Just need to hunt a helm if there is one.

[hard comet]

anything with SS is like BIS right now for ST and Aoe right?

[dense cedar]

p. much

[devout jolt]

@zealous dew you mega babe ❤

[zealous dew]

www.azerite.info

[jaunty lagoon]

i have all 3 slots with SS and i’m running subterfuge, the dps is broken

[trail otter]

So everyone stacking SS? Twist the knife? or what

I thought they bug fixed SS

[jaunty lagoon]

no i mean brokenly good

[trail otter]

ye Im saying I thought they nerfed it so it's no longer good

[jaunty lagoon]

when did they nerf?

[wise whale]

they did nerfe it by 11%

but they also made it work so overall damage incresed

a lot

[lament dove]

I'm a bit disappointed in engi head tbh, whole dungeon run it did 3% dmg, that's hardly better than my other head with dagger in the back

[slender sandal]

Im gettin 30% garrote dmg with 2 traits

[thorn crater]

is there a pin or sth where each drops?

[slender sandal]

Going to see if i can get the head in shrine of the storm

[subtle tundra]

Shrine freehold and underrot

For SS

[zealous dew]

just go to azerite.info

select the trait

and bam the list appears on the right

[silk jolt]

someone explain to me why you would even want three items with SS and subterfuge talent

surely you just massively overcap combo points

you want to get three garrottes out not fuck about half way through with ruptures

[blissful crown]

Combo points dont stack

[silk jolt]

so you're only getting half the effect on your second and third item

and its still considered BIS trait

....

[blissful crown]

U get ur dmg

😄

[silk jolt]

yes so half of the effect

[blissful crown]

Well you can look at it that way

but the dmg output is insane

and i mean if u had CPs for every trait u would be CP capped

and thats waste

But yeah will probely get fixed

the dmg

[silk jolt]

fair play

[keen haven]

@lament dove probably just better off with SS even in 4+trash packs you can always blow a vanish to garrote 6 mobs and I can’t see anything topping that

[silk jolt]

anyone know the haste% you need to hit 4 empowered garrotes?

[main blaze]

Thats not haste based

also you want 3x SS because it makes your garrote ticks insanely strong

@silk jolt

[wise whale]

does it+394 damage on every tick?

per ss

[main blaze]

Yes

[wise whale]

god damn

[main blaze]

that damage is based on the ilvl of the gear as well

[young swan]

but thats only for stealthed garrote?

[wise whale]

yes

[young swan]

but i guess if u got 3 its enough dmg to make it rly worth then. on pull and every 2 min u get insane dmg then

trying to learn abit of assasin and get some traits incase sub gets nerfed to the ground for pure st 😛

[wise whale]

its also the best if yoo dont have 3

[young swan]

ye, seems to sim quite high with only 1 aswell

[mossy hazel]

What's this about sharpened blades simming so high right now? Been added to the guide as second best trait?

[main blaze]

Just does a lot of damage

Cast it when you get to max stacks

[somber otter]

in bloodmallet what do the 1,2,3 stand for when you see their trait tiers?

[lament dove]

well SS is only "insane" because it does its damage right off the bat, no ramp up time, nothing needs to proc and stack up, but as time goes by it evens out with other traits - of course currently with trashpacks dying fast this looks OP, but in the 5 min patchwerk sim getting the second SS didn't even get me 100 dps up (over a mediocre trait)

[main blaze]

1 2 or 3 traits

[silk jolt]

@main blaze why isnt it based on haste?

it says for 3 seconds after breaking stealth

[main blaze]

Cause our gcd isnt based on haste

[silk jolt]

it isnt?

[main blaze]

no its just 1s always

Well for Assn that is

Outlaw's gcd is modified by adrenaline rush

[silk jolt]

ok is this just for rogues or have i been missing something fundamental all these years

i thought gcd was imrpvoed by haste

[main blaze]

uh idk much about other classes but its been this way for rogues like always

[silk jolt]

fine thanks

[strange python]

@lament dove literally makes no sense

What do you think the HD and bloodmallet sims are? 30s long?

[lament dove]

because those sims say SS is OP...?

it's not insane, it's one of the strongest and that's all

[pseudo hamlet]

After many mythic runs:

[main blaze]

Grats

[wise whale]

im glad that ss is best for multi and singletarget. No switching gear if you only play assa

[mossy storm]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > mastery > vers >= haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.

[wise whale]

well at least for azerite gear

[tall radish]

is there a general list of BiS gear at this stage? looking on ravenholdt but cannot find one

[lone junco]

I like 3xSs

But bis lists don't exist. Due to TF and sockets.

[silver egret]

can you imagine a dude that got so lucky as to get decked out in all TF and socketed gear

[lone junco]

Someone here has 8 sockets in purple already.

Probably trolling. But it happens

[gloomy stump]

there is a bis list https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1WTnPyI9nKh-alchZHaz_dK0lYbMmExxYUVFFsc42SMI/edit#gid=1996283133

[lofty junco]

nice blizzard...yesterday EU alliance 700g...today again 700g -.-

[main blaze]

You hate it now but in like 10 weeks you'll have enough to buy a 350 Boe dagger

[gloomy stump]

the BoE will be so much cheaper in a few weeks

[lone junco]

cool content bro

he basically took the Herodamage trinket chart and wrote it down.

which in all cases is going to either as correct as HD but never better, and wont adjust with balance.

[uneven summit]

Sims and Ravenholdt says Elemental Swirl is strongest, bloodmallet says Heed My Call..

[nimble gulch]

someone help me im kinda having little problem with energy im allways low on energy after my opener

[uneven summit]

#gethaste

[coarse slate]

yea, i tried sin last night at 343 ilvl and just found I had no energy ever. It made me sad

[nimble gulch]

i mean im only 281

[lone junco]

then get gear

[heavy nymph]

Its cos youve gone from like 40% haste to 8%. More haste more energy

As noobe said, get gear and it gets better. Dont expect legion levels tho

[nimble gulch]

allright

[coarse slate]

At what level of haste does it actually get better though? like 20? I'm sitting at 14% and find it hard to even keep bleeds up now with how low my energy is

[heavy nymph]

I think its just a bit shit for us sin rogues until raids

[zealous sable]

How is that even possible, just use pandemic windows to reapply

[heavy nymph]

Weve deffo got the shortstraw atm

[coarse slate]

I know about pandemic and how to reapply dots. Just getting the combo points up plus having energy to actually cast things, it felt next to impossible to maintain above 90% uptime for the few dungeons I tried it last night

[zealous sable]

Well keeping them up in aoe is a problem I solved with Crit rather than Haste

[hollow junco]

do you run vigor?

[heavy nymph]

Single target you should have 0 issues with up time unless the boss fucks off during the fight

[zealous sable]

FoK is cheap and with a SS trait you can easily get 3 garrotes and 2 ruptures out fast, then you just spam FoK and pray for enough crits to keep it going

[lofty sand]

I don't think there is a point where you are completely good on energy, there will always be downtime with this spec

[main blaze]

20% it feels fine

There are some slow points but its alright

[zealous sable]

Pooling energy is an interesting aspect to the spec anyhow

[lofty sand]

yeah

[lofty junco]

hmm wouldn't it be possible with nighelf to have a 3th SF buff for empowered garrote?

[lofty sand]

its part of the playstyle

[lofty junco]

i know that it worked for Sub in WoD

[vapid moth]

Nope

Shadowstalker doesnt let you stealth in boss fightz

For trash yesh it works

[mossy hazel]

I've always had trouble with pooling, what are the general guide lines for when it's the right time to pool...? I don't know why I'm so bad at it

[vapid moth]

I'm gonna change yo Velf cause of that. My trees already dead soooo

Pooling is a thing?

[zealous sable]

I only pool for Toxic blade Envenom spam and making sure Rupture and Garrote is 100% uptime

[lofty sand]

You just follow your priorities? There is no complexity in it. You look at what you need to do next and check if you have energy for it. Thats all

[dense cedar]

Are people here having 100% EP uptime?

[lofty sand]

just stop mashing multilate

[mossy hazel]

So I would assume then you're stting at 3-4 cp, bleeds are good, you would pool a bit before hitting TB and going into envenom then?

[hollow junco]

for relatively short fight durations yes, vansolo

[mossy hazel]

Yea, I definitely mash... Lol

[dense cedar]

i can for shot fights

but

[hollow junco]

in a patchwerk sim definitely not yet htough

[dense cedar]

i guess its jsut the non legion haste thing

after a while

becomes astruggle

[zealous sable]

Exactly @mossy hazel

[lofty sand]

Well you see, you're not supposed to mash anything playing Assassination

[mossy hazel]

But pressing buttons is fun

[dense cedar]

play outlaw

[mossy hazel]

Ew

[lone junco]

@dense cedar no. EP is not 100%

[dense cedar]

k

[lofty sand]

there are better classes for that

I think Havoc DH rewards you for being a button masher, so you might wanna look into that

[lone junco]

snek is that fast as well

for now

[mossy hazel]

I literally couldn't finish the DH intro line I was so bored with the class

[lone junco]

@dense cedar

the only nuance to EP might be clipping ep for duration of subterfuge 3x SS.

but I havent logged anythign ST yet

[dense cedar]

I need to get a 2nd dagger quick

I'm developing Stockholm syndrome for Outlaw

[mossy hazel]

I'm 331 right now and i still haven't had a dagger drop anywhere

My offhand is still 298...

Ended up buying a 330 crafted dagger

[steep forge]

wrt to that posted rogue cheat sheet, what's the rationale for dark iron dwarves being #1 in terms of dps?

troll makes sense due to berserk, im ignorant of dark iron 😮

[lofty sand]

racials barely make any difference on dps

[steep forge]

oh for sure, no intent to race change or anything, just curious is all.

[lofty sand]

I think troll, pandaren and goblin pull ahead followed by DI or something like that. Someone posted the chart yesterday

[dense cedar]

only dagger so far

good one tho

[mossy hazel]

Better than what I've got! (Hint, it's nothing)

[steep forge]

I'm rolling with two crafted 310's. pls dagger lords.

[mossy hazel]

I've run H atal so many times it makes me nauseous to go back in again

I couldn't afford the second 310 crafted (I just realized I said 330 crafted last time, that's not accurate)

[steep forge]

ran M Tol Dagor, got a 345 cannon trinket instead of the daggers. i mean, it's good, but daggers please.

[dense cedar]

waht is the name of the crafted daggers?

[nimble gulch]

shouldi buy the darkmoon trinket its in ah on eu for around 120k

[mossy hazel]

Honorable Combatant's Shanker

Is what I have

[strange python]

how much liquid you got

what are your current trinkets

[nimble gulch]

188k

[strange python]

hell naw

[steep forge]

Yeah, Honorable Combatant's Shanker

[mossy hazel]

darkmoon is going for over 300k on my server

At least last I saw

[dense cedar]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=161922/honorable-combatants-shanker#see-also

this thing?

[steep forge]

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/darrowmere/Turtwig

[nimble gulch]

and i use elic marker and the mayor string both 298 XD

[steep forge]

ya

[strange python]

Might be cheaper to buy the cards separately and make it yourself

You dont have to be inscription.

[valid junco]

Feast making costs lowered , hot fixed ! yeaah , the Captains feast cost only 2 salmons now rank II

[steep forge]

sweet.

[lament dove]

any idea why I get 70 stat from food that supposed to give 55? am I the only one?

[mossy hazel]

Actually looks like darkmoon went down to 190 on my server now

[steep forge]

are you a panda lol

[lament dove]

nope, troll

[steep forge]

welp

[lament dove]

and panda would give 110 anyway

[steep forge]

yeah fair

[elfin raft]

are you guys ever asked to KS to interrupt as well as kick

[lament dove]

I use internal bleeding anyway, since a lot of trashmobs are stunnable

[strange python]

Dunno what's with food

[strange python]

says 41 stat gives me 55 or something

[lament dove]

maybe they buffed food but forgot to put it into patch notes or something

everyone sims lower than yesterday or just me?

[main blaze]

The food has been like that since launch

[valid junco]

41 haste food , gives actually 52 haste

[main blaze]

Also sims use feast which is 100 agility

[lament dove]

I remember little food giving 41

[valid junco]

tested few mins ago , it gives extra stats so its buffed or bugged or both 😄

[main blaze]

2 weeks ago it also gave extra stats

[sour citrus]

!trinkets

[steep forge]

!trinkets

:[

[strange python]

!sims

[prisma monolith]

BfA Simulations:
Herodamage: https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[strange python]

they got trinkets

[steep forge]

ty ty

[strange python]

lots of em in fact

[slender hare]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[strange python]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/

[nimble gulch]

how is azzerokks Resonanting Heart

trinket ??

[strange python]

look at trinket sims on herodamage or bloodmallet

[mossy hazel]

It was ranked decently high for a while. Don't know where it's at now

[slender peak]

We did it boys! No daggers for 2 weeks then back to back 340s in mythics last night.

[fresh ginkgo]

@slender peak lol same

[dark latch]

Good day all!

[daring cave]

Lucky you @slender peak I did 5 last night and the gods of daggers said nope

[dark latch]

sooo i have a little problem with Echo of Gul´dan, i can´t for the love of Odin kill him, i tryed different ways, but nothing works T_T, any tips, AND it can be done on a group with people trying to kill him?

[strange python]

echo of guldan?

[dark latch]

Mag´har quest line, to unblock the race

[idle prairie]

Does Sin have a general list of traits with their values? Or are we using the one from WoWhead still?

[versed finch]

Herodamage in the pinned msgs

Has a list of traits and the dps it provides

[idle prairie]

Ah cheers

[versed finch]

When uldir drops and the azerite pieces drop at 355. When u sim, does it sim the traits as well?

[strange python]

yes

[versed finch]

Cause I'd be dropping a 340 piece with SS and I don't think I've saw any pieces from uldir with that on it

[strange python]

that's just how it is

Some traits dont exist in the raid loot table

[versed finch]

Are you gonna replace pieces or keep ones with ss?

[strange python]

idk

[versed finch]

Or just sim and decide

[strange python]

i believe sharpened blades is better now anyway

for st

[versed finch]

I know like me. Galecallers boon sims higher. But I won't use it instead of harlans dice because I'm bad about forgetting to use on use trinkets

[strange python]

just macro it to toxic blade or something

[versed finch]

I havent saw sharpened blades on 340 pieces I don't think

[strange python]

i was gonna say blade rush

sin rogue btw

[versed finch]

Yeah toxic blade

I may try that out then

[strange python]

I really hope sharpened blade isnt our go to trait for uldir

it looks fun

[versed finch]

Is it on 340 pieces u guys have?

Or is it an uldir trait

[strange python]

You can look at azerite traits from loot in the adventure guide

sharpened blade does exist in some dungeons

[versed finch]

SS still listed as higher on herodamage

[strange python]

bloodmallet has SP higher

But herodamage is probably more trustworthy

[versed finch]

Idk. I just hate abilities like that

[strange python]

since bloodmallet gives very little info on its profiles

[versed finch]

I like SS cause it buffs something I'm already using constant

And them 20k ticks are sexy

[slender peak]

How are you getting 20k ticks? Like a single tick on one mob?

[versed finch]

Yeah

3xSs

Subterfuge

Vendetta

[strange python]

3x SP is 70k PK crit

... Once every 20 seconds

[slender peak]

Dam im only using 2 need to dump my engi helm then lol

[versed finch]

Yeah man its beastly

Especially on like a 2T fight

You look like a monster

[slender peak]

/jelly now

Good thing I got a ss helm in my bags then

[versed finch]

Worth it to try it out

Garrote is like 43% of my overall dmg in a dungeon

[cinder palm]

SS is crazy.. I wonder if it’ll be nerfed more

[slender peak]

I mean just cause it does really good damage doesnt mean it needs to he nerfed. Im still competitive with other classes. And nerfing it I think would make us fall behind

We have enough trouble with things dieing too fast and losing energy regen when bleeds fall off trash.

[cinder palm]

Yeah I agree it does put me in line with some classes. It’s just surprising how much dmg it does for like just 2 casts in a fight sometimes lol

My buddy runs frost dk and my 2 casts of garrote did more dmg than his breath he had to maintain in a boss fight😂

[slender peak]

To be far sin is all about bleeds and poisons so it would make sense that a bleed would be our top dmg dealer.

And buffing a bleed that I use all the time sounds way more fun than making try and throw a dagger 🗡 all the time when im a melee class

[versed finch]

Or we suck when the tank pulls more shit before you can restealth

[slender peak]

^this all the time 😦

[versed finch]

It sucks so bad

Going from 14k to 4k in a hurry

[slender peak]

My guild leader does that all the time. Happened in shrine last night killed the trash and immediately pulled the 2 bosses. Rip the two target sub garrote damage 😦

[cinder palm]

Riiip

I guess you could vanish but you’re still fucked. Nice to get a restealth with vanish in the fight lol

[strange python]

That is such a huge rip. The tank in my guilddoes that all the time and I ended up not having avanish throughout the fight as I wasted it on gardote

[slender peak]

Yea thats only 2 garrotes instead of 4

[strange python]

*garrote

[cinder palm]

😭

[slender peak]

Thats my biggest pet peeve with tanks is pulling right away or too early on raid count downs. Even more so than moving bosses out of my trinket circles.

We lose so much dmg potential when we cant open with stealth or waste cool down times.

[wheat zealot]

Thats why i play outlaw with mongo pug tanks, and sub with my guild groups lol

No dps loss from not re stealthing feels good

[slender peak]

I tried the meme build before i got my daggers its so Zzzz but does decent damage. But was nice not having to worry about getting stealth openers

[stuck oyster]

has someone a sharpened blades weakaura?

[steep citrus]

click new -> from template -> icon -> buffs -> sharpened blades

[unborn barn]

Is there a specific pre-built weakaura package for Assassination that someone can recommend

or do you piece together your own?

[strange python]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[strange python]

i recommend mizerok.

[unborn barn]

oh there's a whole bunch to choose from, nice

[silver egret]

i like afenar

[unborn barn]

afenar's seem to be more used

[dark token]

I like afenar if all animation fancy crap is removed

Or for my alts its easy to drop his WAs and go

Too distracting on my rogue tho

[royal lantern]

you can remove the glow on the energy bar and stuff like that uk?

[slow yacht]

What is SS?

[cobalt meadow]

Sinister Strike? I think

[slow yacht]

But this is the Assa channel : o

[open hazel]

Strangle something or other, the Garrote azerite trait

Shrouded Suffocation?

I cant remember

[lofty sand]

Shroud of suffocation

assassin trait

[slender peak]

^^ = SS

[half ginkgo]

shrouded suffocation x3 is the best way for azerite armor pieces or something else?

[rough phoenix]

sharpened blades is also good, but i dont like it, throwing knife in my rotation

[hybrid chasm]

~30k dmg every 30 seconds (3 traits) sounds op though

[mental lava]

Hello there... Im looking for advice. I have 338 ilvl gear, I was looking the whole day for how i should check stat weights to choose gear from etc

I concluded to use simC and simulationcraft and pawn...

But for example Icy Veins says to stack haste (which is understandable) and simulation craft tells me to go to 14% haste to have 20% crit

i can make screens of whatever you would need to answer my question

[primal violet]

pro tip stop playin sin and play sub LUL

[royal lantern]

^ dont listen too that guy

[mental lava]

duh

[primal violet]

LOL

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vbdsSGArVY2XMvbM6J7RPV

show me yours

[royal lantern]

best thing too with stat weights is too sim yourself probably

[mental lava]

well i have simmed, but it tells me to go down with haste in favor of Seal Fate

[royal lantern]

and congratz, you can pull 13k dps with a spec that is slightly op right now and will get a nerf when the raid opens?

[mental lava]

and 14% haste is really sad

[steep citrus]

every time some random dude in chat asks me to "show me yours" things end poorly

[mental lava]

i could get like 17% crit and 19% haste

instead

but not listening to sim

then

[primal violet]

no it wont @royal lantern, sin had most of legion to be the go to spec, its sub turn now

[mental lava]

please help me not talk with him kk

[royal lantern]

except that in legion it was always 1 spec is good and the other 2 suck? and sin was only the way too go in antorus?

sub was way better in tos

[primal violet]

i didnt play antorus

i played 7-7.2

[mental lava]

omg there goes asking for help

can you nerd it out some other time

[coarse slate]

fight his dad

[primal violet]

yah my dad will beat ur dad up dude

[mental lava]

i will obviously play whichever i want

and we are in the sin section

[primal violet]

ok and ill be the mythic raider while u pug heroic

LUL

cheers guys

[mental lava]

ok and i will be 35 while youll be 14

[strange python]

Assassination will be good for the mythic raid or I should learn sub ?

[coarse slate]

sub is going to be nerfed next week. sin looks like itll pass outlaw as we get more gear

[royal lantern]

about your stats, i would say send us your statweights

[mental lava]

Can someone help me with assassination stat weights and advice wether i should listen to simcraft and pawn?

not discuss this bs?

[royal lantern]

get the simcraft addon, do a statweight sim in raidbots and post it here

[mental lava]

ok, you mean the once simcraft is generating?

i did a statweight in simulationcraft

[primal violet]

@mental lava sorry im 30 but here, ill spoon feed you....

http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/

simc + raidbots.com calculate your stat weights everytime u get a new item

[coarse slate]

you should listen to your stat weights almost definitely. but run raidbots with smart sim and nightly build

[primal violet]

put the stat weights in pawn addon

there ya go.

[mental lava]

https://gyazo.com/04c3832225b64dad50f8fe5de1f7efda

when i put them in pawn it adviced me to go this:

https://gyazo.com/201f11cf07a096add862ba67de5bda6c

[royal lantern]

and because you asked

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eJYgLtNe9vZwp1h96AoCN8

without mythic weapons and stuff

cus im unlucky as hell with weapon drops

[coarse slate]

i have 350/345 daggers and only sim 10k as sin. 13.5k as outlaw :/

[royal lantern]

oh and no enchants too i just noticed

[dire gazelle]

@royal lantern don't sweat - sim != actual DPS, just theoretical ceiling. ❤

[royal lantern]

ik man, but he asked me and was the dick:P

[mental lava]

So should i listen to simcraft and go with these weights?

[dire gazelle]

👍🏼 - I had to toss more than few rogues out of my old guilds for failing to get near their theoretical ceilings.

[mental lava]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/b8Lp8dMJy4w39d7QFPV81z

14% haste is ridiculous i can go up to 19% but then from 20% crit down to 15 but simcraft doesnt want it

[royal lantern]

the thing is, haste and crit both do good things

more haste=stuff ticks faster=more dmg/more energy from bleeds

[strange python]

hi guyz

[royal lantern]

more crit=crits for dmg/seal fate combo points

[strange python]

can someone tell me which are the stats for assa rogue?

[steep citrus]

my friend simc can

[mental lava]

So @royal lantern you think i should chill and go with the sim?

[steep citrus]

he's slavic, don't know how to pronounce that

[royal lantern]

you dont really want too drop down too 15%crit when you can have 20%, but at the same time you want a bit more haste

[strange python]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > mastery > vers >= haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.

[mental lava]

well according to our discussion these stats shown by bot are b.s. and will always change depending what you have equipped

[strange python]

well I supose that haste is right

[mental lava]

ok but simcraft tells me to lose haste to 14% in favor of crit

[royal lantern]

if you really want the best stat setup you should sim every piece of gear you get anyway

how much % is the dps difference?

[coarse slate]

if you use the nightly raidbots sim with smart sim, i guarantee you itll tell you to get more haste

[lofty sand]

Got new pants 30ilvls up on mine and now my haste is 10%

[mental lava]

@coarse slate what is nightly raidbots and smart sim?

i mean i know about raidbots but i dont have premium and smart sim i havent come across

[steep citrus]

smart sim just makes it stop earlier if the variance is low enough i thought

doesn'

[strange python]

so simulationcraft has nightly updates vs weekly

[steep citrus]

affect your results

[coarse slate]

when you go onto raidbots you specify which build you want to use, you switch it to nightly. thatll make the biggest difference

[strange python]

really? I thought nightly was for like, bug testing before it made it into the weekly.

[steep citrus]

eh, usually during this time you'll be better with the nightly

[royal lantern]

get the simc addon

[strange python]

the bug where nightly didn't cast blade rush comes to mind.

[mental lava]

but where is this smart sim?

[silk jolt]

OH MY GOD THERES A FUCKING DAGGER

[steep citrus]

becuase they have hotfixes like every day

[strange python]

where you would change iterations

you can see smart sim

[mental lava]

ok i will check it out

[coarse slate]

smart sim is iterations. it wont make a huge difference - its just something it says to use

[royal lantern]

type /simc, copy it, open your browser, raidbots, statweights, copy it in, do the sim, post it here and we can help you

[coarse slate]

( Pawn: v1: "Morokar - Assassination (Raidbots)": Class=Rogue, Spec=Assassination, Agility=1.78, CritRating=1.37, HasteRating=1.41, MasteryRating=1.37, Versatility=1.21, Dps=9.23, OffHandDps=0.94 )

there you go

[royal lantern]

cus it is weird that mastery is higher then haste for you with only 14%haste

haste will lose value, but not at 14%

[hybrid chasm]

just got a question as i read it some hours ago here in this discord -> is it rly better to cast garrote twice in first stealth/subterfuge with 3 SS traits?

[strange python]

supposedly, yes

[main blaze]

Yeah second garrote gives you more CPs than a mutilate and pandemics the garrote you cast first

[strange python]

the APL (action priority list for simulations) has been adjusted some for that

my understanding is that it is still more or less experimental right now.

[mental lava]

sec

cause i entered a dung

[strange python]

Is darkmoon trinket strong on assassination rogue ?

[coarse slate]

https://bloodmallet.com/index.html#rogue_assassination?data_view=trinkets&tier=1&fight_style=patchwerk&lang=EN

yep

[weak pine]

!darkmoon

[prisma monolith]

Darkmoon Deck: Fathoms is still a top tier trinket, even after the recent nerf. Herodamage has updated sims for this trinket, for all specs.

[mental lava]

@coarse slate How did you get those?

[wise frigate]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/stats @mental lava

[mental lava]

i got mine from simcraft

[primal violet]

dodger just wants everyone to spoon feed him and play his character

[hybrid chasm]

do you instantly cast 2nd garrote or something else in between?

[coarse slate]

Dodger. I got those weights by taking your simc input from what you linked and running it through stat weights with nightly

[jovial kite]

@hybrid chasm you cast 2x garrote

atleast the apl does

[sacred ore]

guys when fighting adds with shrouded suffocation, should i 3x garrote? and ignore the fact that my combo points are being capped, and that im losing combo points?

[hollow stone]

Yes. Its more dps to waste a few cps to get out 3 garrotes

[sacred ore]

so i go with 3x garrote? :<

[hollow stone]

Yea. As long as youre applying it to 3 different targets

[sacred ore]

ty :<

[hollow stone]

If just 2. Garrote both (6cp) and then rupture and continue as usual cleave

(Make sure you use subterfuge)

[sacred ore]

but a 5 combo point rupture deals less damage than an empowered garrote

[slender peak]

Yea but if you only have 2 targets you can only get 2 garrotes. You cant put 2 garrotes on one target 😉

[frank aspen]

Do we have azerite sims?

[strange python]

!sims

[prisma monolith]

BfA Simulations:
Herodamage: https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[opaque grotto]

WAIT you’re supposed to double garrote with SS?

[main blaze]

No need to wait

Just double garrote

[opaque grotto]

That makes total sense because you get 30% more duration on it but I never thought of it

[slender peak]

And its cheaper than a mut to get cp

[stuck shuttle]

doesnt the 2nd garrote get rid of the subterfuge buff ticks

[slender peak]

No not if you still have the sub buff

You get 5s of stealth with subterfuge

[lofty junco]

thats thge reason ya put 3 garrotes on 3 targets on trash^^

[slender peak]

Enough for 3 garrotes on 3 targets if needed

[valid junco]

3 seconds.

[slender peak]

Er 3 my bad

[sacred forge]

I have a question i already have suffocation on a piece is it better to have it stack another suffocation or just take tidal surge on a new piece different slot.

[stuck shuttle]

stacking is better

[sacred forge]

ty

[prisma pond]

Stack for now. Hope they dont gut it too bad. I have some backup DitB pieces just in case

[frank aspen]

Anyone got a quick answer for howm uch haste i want to hit?

[prisma pond]

The answer is literally sim yourself. The amount of haste YOU need is different from everyone else based on your gear.

Head over to raidbots and load up your character into stat weights and presto

If you have question on how to use raidbots DM me

[hollow stone]

Always more haste (unless youre capping energy) 🐑

But seriously, just sim yo self

[stuck shuttle]

is Sub the top tier rogue spec rn after the SS nerfs?

and the sharpened blades buff on top of that

sub seems to be simming really high

[hollow junco]

in current imperfect and entirely theoretical raid sims, sub is currently at the top. This is not necessarily data that you should use to make a decision right now

[stuck shuttle]

contemplating whether learning a new spec is worth the minimal gain

[hollow junco]

we have no idea what the tuning passes in the next 2 weeks will do

[stuck shuttle]

true.

[hollow junco]

we don't know how they will change the numbers or how they will change azerite trait selection or how they will change gameplay

[prisma pond]

Unless I'm mistaken the only nerf was the 11% when they fixed it, so Sin is doing pretty good in ST, but were expecting another nerf so

[remote oak]

Sin still has the benefit of having exceptional downtime as well

[stuck shuttle]

everyone I see has been hopping on the sub wagon

[hollow junco]

there's no reason not to collect dagger drops and hold on to all the 340+ azerite pieces you can find

you dont have to commit to a spec lifestyle right now

play what sims best for you today

[hollow stone]

I run w me (sin) and a friend (sub) and am out dpsing him in everything, st and aoe. Its how you play it

[remote oak]

I enjoy using sub for dungeons, but I hope sin is the go to for ST raiding

🤞

[hollow junco]

i hope that sub and sin are both viable options for ST raiding and are tuned to be very close

[stuck shuttle]

@hollow stone I experienced the same in some dungeons I did with a sub rogue in my guild

[prisma pond]

Man how cool would it be if after the tuning passes they leave SS untouched

[stuck shuttle]

hopefully.

[prisma pond]

I rogue can dream

[stuck shuttle]

the 3 combo point opener feels so dam nice

[hollow stone]

🤞

[stuck shuttle]

no more holding onto CPs right before a boss

[hollow junco]

although i strongly doubt it will be touched much if at all in raid tuning passes, let's talk about CT

[prisma pond]

My burst with 3x traits is nutty. We've been doing achieve runs and lots of times on bosses we have to burn the boss dies before the second buffer garrote falls off and I'm finishing around 20k......70% damage done by garrote

[hollow junco]

i dont like it, it feels clunky because you have to choose to use it over envenom and rupture which both have value in a multitarget setting

[prisma pond]

Hard to.imagine them leaving it as is

[stuck shuttle]

yeah my opening burst went as high as 26k one time

with 2x PB procs within Vendetta window

and TB window

[prisma pond]

Yeah it's nice, my outlul guildie is salty

[stuck shuttle]

the ramp up is insane too

on pull, ill start at like 10-12k, then it just shoots up once the bleed ticks start comin in

[remote oak]

The triple garrote at the start is so powerful

[slender peak]

Is that why you think we will get nerfed the trip ss combo is too good?

[prisma pond]

Yeah if the bleeds have a chance to tick some our aoe is decent

[stuck shuttle]

is that really the opener?

3x garrote?

[prisma pond]

Not on ST no

[remote oak]

For dungeon trash usually

[stuck shuttle]

oh yeah for AoE definitely

I can see double garrote for ST

[remote oak]

I thought we were talking multi

[prisma pond]

Opener is the same as always for bosses, just save vanish for. Reapplying the buffed garrote

[remote oak]

^

[prisma pond]

But multi yeah you get that omega garrote on as many targets as you can

[stuck shuttle]

ive been doing garrote -> mut -> rupt -> vendetta

and numbers look fine

may try the double garrote opener

[remote oak]

You still do that part

[prisma pond]

For ST?

[stuck shuttle]

yeah

[prisma pond]

No no ST is just like you said

[remote oak]

You just use vanish when garrote needs refreshed

That's the only difference

[prisma pond]

You just hold vanish until garrote has 3 to 4 seconds left

[main blaze]

For ST you also double garrote

[prime stirrup]

5 seconds left on garrote**

[stuck shuttle]

yeah ive been doing that but in the simc apl, they double garrote

in theory, it sounds like it should be better

[remote oak]

Oh they do Garrote mut garrote?

[main blaze]

Garrote > Garrote > Rupture > Vendetta > TB >

[remote oak]

Or garrote rup garrotE?

Oh

Weird

[stuck shuttle]

what Caeriss said

[prisma pond]

Why 2 in a row?

[stuck shuttle]

since you pandemic garrote right at the start

[vast edge]

garrote is ur best dmg so extending the garrote would be better wouldnt it?

[stuck shuttle]

and garrote costs less than mut + more cp

[prisma pond]

Oic

[main blaze]

2x Garrote gets you 5 CPs and it costs less and you pandemic the first garrote

[remote oak]

how much damage is an extra 6(?) seconds of garrote?

[prisma pond]

I mean...I knew that shit...was just testing you shitters

[stuck shuttle]

lol

well imagine on pull, if you double garrote, you're already on a pandemic garrote

[vast edge]

my garrote crits for 20k with vendetta so probably more then a garrote

[stuck shuttle]

then when you fanish again

[hollow stone]

Haha, i have not been double garroting st. good advice to try out

[vast edge]

muti*

[stuck shuttle]

and do it a 2nd time

your essentially add like 12 seconds

[lusty schooner]

You get like a 23sec garrote if you do it twice in a row

[prisma pond]

To give you an example. A single buffed garrote can do well.over 100k damage total

[stuck shuttle]

opening = 23 sec garrote , refresh with vanish for another 23 sec garrote

vs 18 + 23

[lusty schooner]

That's alotta damage

[vast edge]

with 3 garrote traits my garrot does 40% of my dmg with bl and double garrote cast on the opener and a double garrote on the vanish and envenom is second with 16%

[stuck shuttle]

dam vanish to double garrote to envenom sounds amazing actually

[vast edge]

yep

[stuck shuttle]

i miss the legendary shoulder buff tbh D:

[vast edge]

i normally refresh rupture instead with the vanish.. double garrote and then refresh rupture

[stuck shuttle]

watching opening burst with shoulder buff was insane

[vast edge]

i do about 22-25k dps if the boss dies right after the second garrote cast goes off

[twilit owl]

Hey! i just recently joined this Discord since i play the Rogue first time Since Wotlk. I just noticed that Sin Rogue got 170 Energy with vigor , while the other spec have 150 with Vigor and i cant figure out where the 20 Energy come from. Can someone help me with that?

[vast edge]

garrote tick i mean

@twilit owl good question.. havent even thought about that

[stuck shuttle]

its when you equip a dagger

hidden passive for sin

20 extra energy

[twilit owl]

No cant be

I unequipt both daggers

still got the 20 energy

[lusty schooner]

Pretty sure it's just an assassination thing

[stuck shuttle]

https://wow.gamepedia.com/Assassin's_Resolve

[vast edge]

didnt play much rogue in legion but didnt assa get 20 energy from the artifact weapon?

[stuck shuttle]

thats what it used to be

sin used to have a hidden passive

must just be built into the spec now

[twilit owl]

Ah

I see!

Thanks!

[stuck shuttle]

the wiki page says the buff no longer requires daggers

so its just tied into the spec

[main blaze]

Assassination has 120 energy base

vigor gives 50

[twilit owl]

@Caeriss Yea , True. I was just Wondering where the 120 Energy Base come from. Its not shown anywhere

[valid junco]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5zgayC6kA2i1ryVTSpxkmQ finally over 12k

[barren spindle]

deadly/quick for weapons?

[valid junco]

yeah Oota

[barren spindle]

word, was using double quick but seemed silly lol

[main blaze]

Nice

13k is the next goal

[primal violet]

13k as assassination LUL

[valid junco]

doable

[primal violet]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vbdsSGArVY2XMvbM6J7RPV

[void pecan]

sub rogue.

puke

/s

[valid junco]

oh thats a sub 😄

[stuck shuttle]

why do sub rogues always have to make themselves seem better than everyone else 🤔

[royal lantern]

FotM players man

gotta abuse it until they can re-roll too the next flavor class

[stuck shuttle]

Cant wait for that juciy sub nerf

[void pecan]

even if they don't, we scale stupid well

so

[plush umbra]

Is it a known bug already that the shrouded suffocation multiplier gets removed from all applied garrotes when you cast a garrote after subterfuge is done?

[main blaze]

That doesnt sound like a bug

sounds like you refreshed with a crappy garrote

[wise frigate]

How is that a bug? It's like overwriting a Nightstalker Rupture.

[plush umbra]

no, it removes the multiplier from garrotes not on the target that I apply the shit garrote to

I'm not overwriting anything

[slender peak]

Lol sims mean nothing right now. Trying to flex your epeen based on simulated fights with full raid buffs to show you farmed more mythic gear than the other guy is silly. You can talk smack once raid comes out and you have actual warcraft logs to back up your theoretical numbers

[wise frigate]

Hm. I see what you said now. That does sound a bit more bug-like.

[primal violet]

lol u guys said fotm

my rogue has existed since 2009

[main blaze]

Leave ricin alone he is just a humble little sub rogue that hit 13k recently and is excited to show off Kappa

[scenic ermine]

But can we beat any other rogues on dmg right now?

[primal violet]

i dont play any other classes, i always play rogue

[royal lantern]

outlaw in st ofc

[summer timber]

wow the assassin chat is kind of Toxic* today (drums and symbols)

[royal lantern]

sub st is slightly higher

[void pecan]

always toxic when teal boys come in here flaunting their fake peens.

[lofty sand]

Simulations means that a robot playing your character would do that much damage. They are guidelines no one should flex them

[cinder palm]

Depends on skill too. I was in a full leather group with a sub and outlaw rogue and crushed them both

[main blaze]

woah woah Im teal but thats not by choice, the bot just doesnt like me to change my color

[primal violet]

they were terrible then and dont know the rotation lol

[cinder palm]

Yup lul

The sub rogue wasn’t even running sectec 😂

I’m like ok dude

[summer timber]

i feel like everyone ignored my great dad joke and continued were they left off

[stuck shuttle]

because they did

[void pecan]

as it should be.

[primal violet]

it wasnt great

[stuck shuttle]

lol

[cinder palm]

Rip

[summer timber]

meh guess ill go back to the pirate chat least there fun

[primal violet]

im named after a poison because im toxic af

[fleet whale]

I wish assassination got the green color and not the red

[primal violet]

i rather be edgy than some overly sensitive 45 year old gamer incel

[void pecan]

sensitive 45 year old gamer incel

Phew.

🔥

[main blaze]

Learning them words

[summer timber]

good think im only 32 dodged a bullet there

[primal violet]

sure doesnt look like it

how many cigs u smoke? how much meth

[main blaze]

so funny ricin such a joker you

[lofty sand]

oh look the rogue discord turned into the shaman discord

[primal violet]

lmao @lofty sand

cheers all back to work

[dapper plover]

ricin are you like 12 mate

[main blaze]

Of course not he just said he has to get back to work. He is atleast 16 cause child labor laws

[barren spindle]

smashin grapes

[main blaze]

lol

[summer timber]

i thnk so hes easy to offend and im sure he plays only during the 3 o'clock to 8 o'clock range and prob plays an ally rogue named darkmaster xxx

[void pecan]

and he's been rogue since 2009

Phew.

out of here with that childish shit

[dapper plover]

its almost like anyone can say anything on the internet

im obama

[main blaze]

No IM Obama

[median stream]

@plush umbra yeah i wrote about the same garrote bug here yesterday. none believed me so none actually confirmed it for me until now.

[royal lantern]

guys, pls stop, there is a offtopic channel for stuff like that

[stuck shuttle]

for real

different channels for a reason

[void pecan]

Where's my boy Don when we need him.

[plush umbra]

You can always replicate it, it happened every single time in 20 minutes of testing for me

[cerulean walrus]

TFW this dude is trying to roast other people in the rogue discord? Go to trade chat

[stuck shuttle]

@plush umbra how does the bug work exactly?

[main blaze]

Yeah Ive been testing it

Its a bug it seems

[stuck shuttle]

first garrote out of subt?

no matter what?

[plush umbra]

Aye, whenever you apply any garrote outside of subt, SS gets removed from all garrotes

[stuck shuttle]

sounds pretty game changing

[plush umbra]

That's how I understand it anyway

[main blaze]

Yeah say if you have 4 mobs and try to garrote all 4, when you apply that 4th non subterfuge one it will make all of the other ones ticks hit less like its hitting for a shitty amount

[royal lantern]

why the fuck is that trait so bugged lol

[stuck shuttle]

interesting.

[median stream]

it is, you should not garrote a 4th target in dungeon

[plush umbra]

Yeah, you just don't want to use another garrote until your subt garrotes have run out

[median stream]

or your deeps goes to shit

[cerulean walrus]

So only open on 3

[stuck shuttle]

i can see where the coding might have gone wrong there

[void pecan]

regardless if you do 3 or 4, it shouldn't get rid of the SS trait ont he 3.

if that's what the bug is

[main blaze]

yeah

[cerulean walrus]

So until its fixed only garrote on the 3?

[plush umbra]

Yes

[cerulean walrus]

wait for it to fall off and then refresh?

[median stream]

yes

[stuck shuttle]

i guess thats not such a bad idea

[plush umbra]

You can apply more garrotes if you vanish after the third

[stuck shuttle]

until they fix it

[cerulean walrus]

Watch as they fix it and tack another damage nerf onto it

[stuck shuttle]

pls no

i don't think they can justify another sin nerf

when sub is so high rn

[cerulean walrus]

Cause the last "fix" was like "Oh yeah we fixed it alright but it'll cost you 11% damage on SS"

[stuck shuttle]

if sin gets touched, they better touch sub as well

[cerulean walrus]

So which do you think will be better in a raiding scenario right now?

[civic palm]

So was a LOG about this bug ever posted and combed through?

[stuck shuttle]

Looking at the boss mechanics, sub is probably going to be better

but marginally

sin will always be the king of consistency and scaling

[cerulean walrus]

Yeah cause I've always felt that when I have to deal with mechanics I fall on my face with SUb

[void pecan]

@plush umbra you have a log/reported this yet?

[cerulean walrus]

Maybe I'm just bad...

[plush umbra]

Currently not at my pc, I reported it with the ingame bug report though

[misty light]

How is sin more consistent than sub? No RNG in either spec.

[stuck shuttle]

sub is easier to fuck up

[cerulean walrus]

No RNG in sin? Lmfao

[stuck shuttle]

thats how

[cerulean walrus]

Accidental bottle of shit on the ground is RNG

[misty light]

*compared to outlaw

At any rate

Outlaw is built on rng so I understand it being inconsistent

[civic palm]

Generate a LOG showing the bug and have #tc-research look at it.

[cerulean walrus]

Didn't they say they were trying to fix that though?

[stuck shuttle]

and sin has big RNG with PB procs

[cerulean walrus]

^^^

[misty light]

That would tend to make it less consistent

[stuck shuttle]

PB proc on your vendetta window / TB window makes a huge difference

[misty light]

The claim was the sin is more consistent than sub

[cerulean walrus]

I have noticed that PB doesn't account for as much of my DPS anymore

[royal lantern]

pb dmg itself is not that much

[trim dirge]

rip legion days when mut was the lottery spec for poison bombs
Now it’s really not that much

[cerulean walrus]

Its because Sin will always have dots up

[civic palm]

SIN had big RNG with PBOMB. The dmg on it is so low it cannot be swingy anymore.

[cerulean walrus]

They always have some form of damage going through

[thorny bone]

Is SS still not working with subterfuge?

[royal lantern]

pb was a joke in legion, bfa pb right now is.......slightly decent?

[lofty sand]

Did someone go on the sub channel and started taunting them? We usually get the outlaw players here saying "Look guys we're so good at killing trash you guys suck!!" but first time I've seen this much Sub shitposting

[cerulean walrus]

I just want Kingsbane backkk

[royal lantern]

the dps variance is probably more cus of combo points with FoK/mulitate crits and dot crits

not cus of pb

[stuck shuttle]

TB is a poor mans KB

[misty light]

I'm not shitposting

Someone said sin is more consistent

[primal violet]

@summer timber im sowwy im from denmark

[misty light]

I want to know why that is

[cerulean walrus]

TB KB was such a beautiful thing

[civic palm]

TB KB were the same ability with different names stop wanting that > _>

[trim dirge]

because sin is dots and sub is bursty? What do you mean

[cerulean walrus]

KB was absolutely different

[royal lantern]

if you keep all dots up you do dmg, thats consisent

sub is burst windows

[cerulean walrus]

^

Sin doesn't have the burst of Sub but they can sustain better

[stuck shuttle]

its almost like, different specs for different situations

[royal lantern]

outlaw is not consistent cus your dmg can be higher OR lower when you get good rolls/need too reroll a couple of times

[civic palm]

KB wasn't different, in fact you did less during it than you did over a Toxic Blade Duration.

[cerulean walrus]

You paired the two together

[civic palm]

uhhuh

[cerulean walrus]

Toxic Blade into kingsbane

[royal lantern]

not always

[dapper plover]

how much haste do you need to put out 4 garrotes during subterfuge?

[royal lantern]

only when the cd's where close too each other

[cerulean walrus]

When the CDs lined up you did

Exactly

[nimble tartan]

all the big brainers used tb only at kb last 9 secs

[royal lantern]

if kingsbane was up before TB you used kingsbane and tb at 9seconds left

[nimble tartan]

hard hold

[civic palm]

TB and KB led to gameplay that is too similar for me to want both of them in the kit again. If they make KB something more interesting that would be dope.

[stuck shuttle]

@dapper plover a lot

[civic palm]

OMR THE BIG BRAINERS DIDN'T HOLD TB THEY JUST PRESSED IT

ALL DAY